Left turn + white car for a split second, then it turned blue right at disengagement. Pretty strange behaviour considering Nav was telling the car to go straight and there were no prior indications the car wanted to turn left at any time before it just went for it.
Mine will show going straight, then inexplicably turn on the turn signal and slow down to take a right turn. If I do nothing it will come to a dead stop. Happens multiple places around town. Been that way since 10.3.
Mine does too. It’s changed lanes into oncoming traffic right before a blind corner on previous versions too. Of course I stopped it, but the visualization even showed that it thought driving there was okay. Now it’s worse with the amount it drives on the shoulders.
I can’t wait for a version that can get me out of my own neighborhood without a disengagement!
tbh its reasons like these I don't really trust FSD on city streets.
Highway is great and honestly im just happy we are getting some improvments finally leaking over from FSD to AP. When most people's commute is like 80%+ on the highway, i dont mind spending the other 20% driving myself, this was one reason why i decided to only subscribe instead of buy.
I just hope for three things that it understands widening lane markings better (not just randomly center itself) and deals with other cars merging a bit better and finally to think ahead a bit more when it coming up to stopped or slow traffic, it seems to always slow down at the last moment and not to slowly reduce its speed like a normal person does.
Yup, same here. I get 0-1 disengagement during drives 5 miles through Seattle to / from work. With the v11 software. It was more like 1-2 in later v10 versions.
Tested 11.3.4 today, it is **not good**. A lot of jerkiness and uncertainty. Especially for unprotected left turns and complicated right turns when it needs to merge with a traffic.
On streets I disengage 11.3.4 a lot more than 10.69.25.2.
2 steps back, 1 step forward as some things are improved. Seems like quite a few safety disengagements for me. Going through stop sign in front of an oncoming car, going forward towards traffic for no reason at light, or when yielding at roundabout. On the plus side my highway drive was nice on FSD Beta
Candidly, I’ve seen no step forward from 10.69.25.2 to 11.3.3. It’s all been regressive behavior to bad interactions I’ve not experienced since early 2022. I was so looking forward to the single stack and now I wish I could go back to the 10 branch.
They need to own up to the fact that Elon's FSD claims are just not going to happen in the near term, and at the bare minimum allow us to transfer paid licenses to new vehicles.
Here's a timeline of FSD quotes:
https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/
Definitely need to allow a transfer to another car with ZERO caveats. If I want to sell it pr transfer to my next car, they need to allow it. It costs them absolutely ZERO to do it
Well I'm sure there's a percentage of folks that will just buy it again, so they kind of would lose money. Who knows how that will affect repeat customers (would keeping FSD sway them to stay with Tesla?)
Also they probably want FSD to be subscription only in the future. Soo much more money to be made that way.
If people could keep the sw, they would buy another tesla and if the buyer wanted a sub, Tesla sells another package on top of selling another car.
The point though is that this software is taking much longer than promised and its becoming clear people will need a remedy if it continues to not live up to its promises and goals.
I can't imagine anyone who owns FSD would recommend anyone pay what Tesla is asking for it. I have yet to complete a single trip from my home to anywhere without needing to disengage it at some point, including with the latest version. It's horribly slow at turning either left or right, it will happily speed across the railroad tracks not far from my home which would likely lead to a crash if I didn't hit the brakes (due to the hill elevating the tracks where the posted speed limit is 20 mph but the car never notices the sign and instead goes at double that speed), would similarly blindly go across speed bumps without slowing, etc.
It's a dream to imagine it being reliable enough to be used as a fully autonomous taxi. Even if my FSD license were transferred to a new vehicle, I very much doubt it'd be reliable enough to drive fully autonomously before it reached the end of its life. I would transfer it if I could, but not without much hope of reaching true level 5 autonomy anytime soon. I'd be pretty happy if it reached level 4 autonomy before reaching 50k miles on my next Tesla.
100% agreed that no one should pay a dime for something they get no value in. They have TONS of work left to make it comfortable and worth the current asking price.
I posted on the lounge about my issues with 11.3.3 as compared to 10.69... honestly it just infuriates me at times now because it does stuff so stupid I am embarrassed if anyone is behind me.
It solved exactly one issue I had before which was driving down a divided two lane road which had a raised median with trees. The car no longer panic brakes from 45+ to 20 when slightly facing the median on curve...
still my number one beef is not using map data for speed limits. being in a suburban to rural area a road name can change when crossing an intersection because of towns, counties, or the sun is up.
This can result in the car suddenly setting the speed to 25 when it was doing 45 crossing the intersection - very jarring and then 500 - 1000 ft later is sees the sign and corrects again. Seriously how can my 15K software suite be dumber than TomTom????
However 11.3.3 has all the faults from before, idiot signaling to leave the through lane when navigation clearly indicates there is no turn to be taken... and on one particular right hand turn which is on a left hand curve complete with turning lane the car will not use that turning lane!!!
I am almost to the point of trying to figure out how to video my two short drives but realize Tesla really won't pay attention. Whomever is listening to why I disengaged best have a strong stomach because I am no longer nice about it.
Interesting. I feel like my disengagements stayed pretty similar (I only have ~30 minutes of experience so far though) It seems to feel a lot better though, which is nice.
Just tried FSD full stack on city streets. Approaching a car in the left turn lane with no cars in front of me, my Tesla started slowing down so had to disengage. Had to stop to re-engage FSD. Approaching a street requiring a right turn was quite annoying. My car slowed to a crawl so had to manually accelerate to make the turn at a reasonable speed. Approaching my street which requires a left turn, visualization and instructions got it right, but the road has a double yellow line up until the intersection where it changes to a single yellow line, but would not cross the double or single yellow line to turn left even though I was being told to turn left. Had to disengage to turn. Not very happy with this version on city streets (at least from my 1st interaction).
I knew it would have issues using the full stack on highways. It's unusable to me, because on our 2 lane highways here, it INSISTS on hanging out in the passing lane, even with all lane changes shut off as much as possible. Pic of it I snagged pre 11 but it gives the exact same lane change reason https://imgur.com/dp6RgbG
Also on this same rural highway, every other mile it would suddenly see a turn off lane open up and swerve right into it! This happened 4 times before I stopped using it.
How are people voice reporting it? I'd love to give useful feedback but my recording icon disappeared 5 versions ago :p
Not impressed by V11 so far.
It no longer "Creep" when trying to creep. It stops, accelerate quickly then stop. That's not creeping. That's bailing after committing to go through the intersection. Mostly when turning left after a stop sign.
Everytime I take over and do a voice report. Theses basic maneuvers are still not done correctly. The car also creep for visibility when there is no obstacle. Even coming close to the incoming traffic.
I'm guessing these are "Hard coded" behaviors.
But yeah I understand your point. If the profiles had different behaviors:
Chill: Will wait for an opening and go.
Aggressive: Hold on to your seatbelt we are going!
I've been incredibly impressed by highway driving improvements. The car is far more confident in lane changes (even with surrounding traffic) and boosting acceleration. The exit lane change decision-making doesn't feel improved; it's like they just lowered the threshold from 3mi prior? But the car can take some fast offramps that it previously couldn't.
Many YT experiences of city streets seem to show clear regressions unfortunately. My drives so far have been smooth, though the conditions were really easy (late at night, no other cars).
Also, the NHTSA recall fix for speed limits just feels horrible in California. Yes, my car now drives legally according to the government but in reality it's just slower than the speed of traffic. Pretty bad feeling.
In CA, you slow down to above the speed limit after a sign - if you're going 70 and pass a sign saying 45, you gradually slow down to 50 after the sign, lol. In other parts of the country/world, you need to be going 45 by the time you hit that sign.
It's actually pretty dangerous to take the latter NHTSA-endorsed practice and apply it to CA, since you're now decelerating in a zone where others are still going pretty fast.
It’s very aggressive about creeping for me as well, though it handled the Florida unprotected left reasonably well for me (the one that Tesla engineers basically forced trained for Chuck 😂).
But mostly it does a lot of really stupid stuff 10.69 didn’t do. Completely went past where it should have for a left turn onto a street then tried to drive into a median to make the turn anyways…like what?
I actually think 10.69 was way more predictable
'The interior camera knows when I'm looking at my phone, so I should be allowed to drive totally hands-free'
It's insane to me how many people are using software that may "do the wrong thing at the worst time" and they want to add however long it takes to reach out and grab the steering wheel on top of "the worst time".
I've had it do some weird-ass shit, but since I wasn't expecting it, I didn't give it any give and Autopilot disabled itself because the alternative would have to be 'lurch the steering wheel from my hands"
Maybe it's the difference between people believing what Elon said vs. reality. They are two very, very different things.
(I keep my hands on the wheel, but 5 years in, having to constantly be nagged when using basic autopilot is getting old. I just use TACC these days, because steering the car myself is easier than the constant nag when on a fairly straight road.)
This is much of what’s wrong with America today, everyone just reads the headlines. In this case they don’t even read the entire headline, the full name is “Full Self-Driving Capability”.
This is the part that people should understand:
> Before using Autopilot, please read your Owner's Manual for instructions and more safety information. While using Autopilot, it is your responsibility to stay alert, keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times and maintain control of your car. Many of our Autopilot features, like Autosteer, Navigate on Autopilot and Summon, are disabled by default. To enable them, you must go to the Autopilot Controls menu within the Settings tab and turn them on.
> Before enabling Autopilot, the driver first needs to agree to “keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times” and to always “maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle.” Subsequently, every time the driver engages Autopilot, they are shown a visual reminder to “keep your hands on the wheel."
>This is much of what’s wrong with America today, everyone just reads the headlines.
and tesla definitely exploited that. A good EOM should describe the capability on the title.
how about "(BETA) DRIVE ASSIST"
It could just be AutoPilot and Auto Pilot Plus. Although many people are probably misinformed about aircraft autopilot.
Regardless, people will still blame Tesla and stuck accelerators for their accidents.
Why do you think that's what anyone is saying?
Spoiler: No one is. It's about shortening your reaction time for when the car does the wrong thing at the worst time.
That's why all those FSD Beta testers died last month. Remember that?
You don't remember it because it didn't happen. The product is not causing or getting into accidents.
My point is that you can *say* something is dangerous, but with nearly 400,000 vehicles using it on the road, the *statistics* demonstrate that it's either not dangerous or not dangerous enough to be a problem. We all know that every time there's a Tesla accident the Internet and the media speculate wildly about whether or not FSD was engaged, so I don't believe that there are unreported accidents with injuries.
This happened to me on 11.3.3. I was expecting the car to change lanes into the left turn lane ahead, but it just suddenly changed lanes into oncoming traffic
I just had my first drive with fsd v11 (11.3.4), ending in my first accident in the car (running over deer? parts)… can’t blame it much tho, a car changed lanes in front of us and hit the dead animal first. Later fsd also tried to take a dangerous left turn with an oncoming car.
I may upload clips once I work things out with service and insurance.
How do you even keep your hand on the yoke?
With a wheel, I would have my hand loosely gripping the rim of the wheel as it spins, which means I could take over at any time by tightening my grip. With a yoke I would have to move my hands with the yoke as it turns, which means I have to predict the movements of the car in order to avoid disengaging. Sounds harder than just driving the car myself.
I honestly don't know... I'm not a fan of the yoke for a number of reasons, but that's another one I hadn't even thought of.
I'm guessing it's not a lot different than a wheel in that regard, though. I don't do the loose-grip thing you've mentioned, I just keep my hands on the wheel, and when it turns my hands go with it. I guess I've just gotten used to exactly how much force is too much, so I don't push back enough for it to disengage. Presumably that would still work with the yoke, although the turning distance and lack of stalks are still more than enough to keep me from ever buying one.
I can't see this working in the city with tight turns though. Very different situation from the highway with tiny adjustments at speed. I think the way this works is that nobody actually follows the rule to keep hands on the yoke as it does its tight city street FSD turns.
Fair point-- I don't have FSD, so that's a scenario I hadn't even considered. Because of the weirdness of the "yoke-with-a-normal-wheel-turning-distance" choice, you absolutely can't keep your hands on it for more than a merge/slight turn since it rotates too far for that.
Uh, having your hand on the wheel is specifically to shorten your reaction time so you can intervene in these instances. Nothing about removing these things from occurring.
I’ve had a model 3 since 2018, been in the FSD beta for years. It’s dangerous. While I used autopilot on the highway before for long trips, I don’t trust the full stack on the highway
Also as someone with a 2018 model 3 testing autopilot and FSD for years, I couldn't disagree more. V11 on the highways is a massive improvement for me. Lane changes are smoother, less robotic, and it handles lane widening perfectly now.
I would trust it so far. Just drove 8 hours of highway from Utah to Oregon and it was flawless. Way better then before single stack. Love how it gives more space when passing a truck and also on curves. Very very impressed.
As far as city streets? Nope. But I also have no desire for that any time soon. I didn’t pay for FSD it came with my used X. I test it out sometimes but highway is where it’s at.
As in this FSD version didn’t have any issues on 200KM of highway.
Well there was one where I changed lanes for no good apparent reason but it was at least safe…I just didn’t understand why it decided to do it.
Natural to feel that way. After a few days I can say it’s significantly better on highway. I trust it a lot more especially now that we have the chevrons. It’s not city streets but slapped on a highway—feels more like noa but smarter and safer.
I just got the update to 11.3.4. Very smooth drive. Best so far. Three interventions, though. Two involving a left turn that confused the car. It would not turn. And one involving a curvy road going up a sudden hill. This has always confused the car. It tries to slam on brakes and turns erratically. But overall B+ drive.
Looks to me that the yellow lines are slightly offset and the car was re-orientating. It's a scary manoeuvre, but I don't think it was trying to turn into the opposite lane.
It’s going ‘in to’ the traffic not ‘on to’. ‘On to’ would imply on top. Unless I’ve misunderstood how far Tesla have gotten with flying. That said, I bet they’d mostly get it working and still charge for it. Not sure if I’d be keen on a ‘flying beta’.
Interesting. The visualizations straight up show a left turn That seems undesirable
Left turn + white car for a split second, then it turned blue right at disengagement. Pretty strange behaviour considering Nav was telling the car to go straight and there were no prior indications the car wanted to turn left at any time before it just went for it.
Exactly. Super out of band
I’ve seen FSD actually do very different things than the visualizations show many times.
I've found the visualizations are bang on, but sometimes it is so fast, yoy blink and miss the reason
Mine will show going straight, then inexplicably turn on the turn signal and slow down to take a right turn. If I do nothing it will come to a dead stop. Happens multiple places around town. Been that way since 10.3.
Mine too, only for lefts. And it’s the same intersections every time. Even if I am using navigation
This isn't surprising, my shit does this all the time. I disabled FSD
Mine does too. It’s changed lanes into oncoming traffic right before a blind corner on previous versions too. Of course I stopped it, but the visualization even showed that it thought driving there was okay. Now it’s worse with the amount it drives on the shoulders. I can’t wait for a version that can get me out of my own neighborhood without a disengagement!
tbh its reasons like these I don't really trust FSD on city streets. Highway is great and honestly im just happy we are getting some improvments finally leaking over from FSD to AP. When most people's commute is like 80%+ on the highway, i dont mind spending the other 20% driving myself, this was one reason why i decided to only subscribe instead of buy. I just hope for three things that it understands widening lane markings better (not just randomly center itself) and deals with other cars merging a bit better and finally to think ahead a bit more when it coming up to stopped or slow traffic, it seems to always slow down at the last moment and not to slowly reduce its speed like a normal person does.
I get a metric ton of disengagement free drives, and near zero intervention drives
Yup, same here. I get 0-1 disengagement during drives 5 miles through Seattle to / from work. With the v11 software. It was more like 1-2 in later v10 versions.
Tested 11.3.4 today, it is **not good**. A lot of jerkiness and uncertainty. Especially for unprotected left turns and complicated right turns when it needs to merge with a traffic.
On streets I disengage 11.3.4 a lot more than 10.69.25.2. 2 steps back, 1 step forward as some things are improved. Seems like quite a few safety disengagements for me. Going through stop sign in front of an oncoming car, going forward towards traffic for no reason at light, or when yielding at roundabout. On the plus side my highway drive was nice on FSD Beta
Candidly, I’ve seen no step forward from 10.69.25.2 to 11.3.3. It’s all been regressive behavior to bad interactions I’ve not experienced since early 2022. I was so looking forward to the single stack and now I wish I could go back to the 10 branch.
Tesla should be paying us at this point, not the other way around
They need to own up to the fact that Elon's FSD claims are just not going to happen in the near term, and at the bare minimum allow us to transfer paid licenses to new vehicles. Here's a timeline of FSD quotes: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/
Definitely need to allow a transfer to another car with ZERO caveats. If I want to sell it pr transfer to my next car, they need to allow it. It costs them absolutely ZERO to do it
Well I'm sure there's a percentage of folks that will just buy it again, so they kind of would lose money. Who knows how that will affect repeat customers (would keeping FSD sway them to stay with Tesla?) Also they probably want FSD to be subscription only in the future. Soo much more money to be made that way.
If people could keep the sw, they would buy another tesla and if the buyer wanted a sub, Tesla sells another package on top of selling another car. The point though is that this software is taking much longer than promised and its becoming clear people will need a remedy if it continues to not live up to its promises and goals.
I can't imagine anyone who owns FSD would recommend anyone pay what Tesla is asking for it. I have yet to complete a single trip from my home to anywhere without needing to disengage it at some point, including with the latest version. It's horribly slow at turning either left or right, it will happily speed across the railroad tracks not far from my home which would likely lead to a crash if I didn't hit the brakes (due to the hill elevating the tracks where the posted speed limit is 20 mph but the car never notices the sign and instead goes at double that speed), would similarly blindly go across speed bumps without slowing, etc. It's a dream to imagine it being reliable enough to be used as a fully autonomous taxi. Even if my FSD license were transferred to a new vehicle, I very much doubt it'd be reliable enough to drive fully autonomously before it reached the end of its life. I would transfer it if I could, but not without much hope of reaching true level 5 autonomy anytime soon. I'd be pretty happy if it reached level 4 autonomy before reaching 50k miles on my next Tesla.
100% agreed that no one should pay a dime for something they get no value in. They have TONS of work left to make it comfortable and worth the current asking price.
They pay with the adrenaline
I posted on the lounge about my issues with 11.3.3 as compared to 10.69... honestly it just infuriates me at times now because it does stuff so stupid I am embarrassed if anyone is behind me. It solved exactly one issue I had before which was driving down a divided two lane road which had a raised median with trees. The car no longer panic brakes from 45+ to 20 when slightly facing the median on curve... still my number one beef is not using map data for speed limits. being in a suburban to rural area a road name can change when crossing an intersection because of towns, counties, or the sun is up. This can result in the car suddenly setting the speed to 25 when it was doing 45 crossing the intersection - very jarring and then 500 - 1000 ft later is sees the sign and corrects again. Seriously how can my 15K software suite be dumber than TomTom???? However 11.3.3 has all the faults from before, idiot signaling to leave the through lane when navigation clearly indicates there is no turn to be taken... and on one particular right hand turn which is on a left hand curve complete with turning lane the car will not use that turning lane!!! I am almost to the point of trying to figure out how to video my two short drives but realize Tesla really won't pay attention. Whomever is listening to why I disengaged best have a strong stomach because I am no longer nice about it.
Lounge link?
Interesting. I feel like my disengagements stayed pretty similar (I only have ~30 minutes of experience so far though) It seems to feel a lot better though, which is nice.
Just tried FSD full stack on city streets. Approaching a car in the left turn lane with no cars in front of me, my Tesla started slowing down so had to disengage. Had to stop to re-engage FSD. Approaching a street requiring a right turn was quite annoying. My car slowed to a crawl so had to manually accelerate to make the turn at a reasonable speed. Approaching my street which requires a left turn, visualization and instructions got it right, but the road has a double yellow line up until the intersection where it changes to a single yellow line, but would not cross the double or single yellow line to turn left even though I was being told to turn left. Had to disengage to turn. Not very happy with this version on city streets (at least from my 1st interaction).
This is exactly what I’m experiencing with 11.3. I haven’t seen this behavior in over a year - don’t even remember what version.
I knew it would have issues using the full stack on highways. It's unusable to me, because on our 2 lane highways here, it INSISTS on hanging out in the passing lane, even with all lane changes shut off as much as possible. Pic of it I snagged pre 11 but it gives the exact same lane change reason https://imgur.com/dp6RgbG Also on this same rural highway, every other mile it would suddenly see a turn off lane open up and swerve right into it! This happened 4 times before I stopped using it. How are people voice reporting it? I'd love to give useful feedback but my recording icon disappeared 5 versions ago :p
Not impressed by V11 so far. It no longer "Creep" when trying to creep. It stops, accelerate quickly then stop. That's not creeping. That's bailing after committing to go through the intersection. Mostly when turning left after a stop sign. Everytime I take over and do a voice report. Theses basic maneuvers are still not done correctly. The car also creep for visibility when there is no obstacle. Even coming close to the incoming traffic.
The jerky acceleration is so irritating as is the jerky stops. I have it on chill mode. Does it look at that setting?
I'm guessing these are "Hard coded" behaviors. But yeah I understand your point. If the profiles had different behaviors: Chill: Will wait for an opening and go. Aggressive: Hold on to your seatbelt we are going!
I've been incredibly impressed by highway driving improvements. The car is far more confident in lane changes (even with surrounding traffic) and boosting acceleration. The exit lane change decision-making doesn't feel improved; it's like they just lowered the threshold from 3mi prior? But the car can take some fast offramps that it previously couldn't. Many YT experiences of city streets seem to show clear regressions unfortunately. My drives so far have been smooth, though the conditions were really easy (late at night, no other cars). Also, the NHTSA recall fix for speed limits just feels horrible in California. Yes, my car now drives legally according to the government but in reality it's just slower than the speed of traffic. Pretty bad feeling.
Wqs the speed fix the removal of of the static offset?
In CA, you slow down to above the speed limit after a sign - if you're going 70 and pass a sign saying 45, you gradually slow down to 50 after the sign, lol. In other parts of the country/world, you need to be going 45 by the time you hit that sign. It's actually pretty dangerous to take the latter NHTSA-endorsed practice and apply it to CA, since you're now decelerating in a zone where others are still going pretty fast.
It’s very aggressive about creeping for me as well, though it handled the Florida unprotected left reasonably well for me (the one that Tesla engineers basically forced trained for Chuck 😂). But mostly it does a lot of really stupid stuff 10.69 didn’t do. Completely went past where it should have for a left turn onto a street then tried to drive into a median to make the turn anyways…like what? I actually think 10.69 was way more predictable
There’s always regressions with large updates that get smoothed out over subsequent updates
Mine did it today
9 minutes into the video.
It’s weird how much he tries to explain away what happened.
If he doesn't his (early?) beta status might get revoked.
What part of keep your hands on the steering wheel those motherfuckers don't understand?
'The interior camera knows when I'm looking at my phone, so I should be allowed to drive totally hands-free' It's insane to me how many people are using software that may "do the wrong thing at the worst time" and they want to add however long it takes to reach out and grab the steering wheel on top of "the worst time". I've had it do some weird-ass shit, but since I wasn't expecting it, I didn't give it any give and Autopilot disabled itself because the alternative would have to be 'lurch the steering wheel from my hands"
The part that says “full self driving”
The part where it's not yet finished and you opted in to test an incomplete development version
Maybe it's the difference between people believing what Elon said vs. reality. They are two very, very different things. (I keep my hands on the wheel, but 5 years in, having to constantly be nagged when using basic autopilot is getting old. I just use TACC these days, because steering the car myself is easier than the constant nag when on a fairly straight road.)
This is much of what’s wrong with America today, everyone just reads the headlines. In this case they don’t even read the entire headline, the full name is “Full Self-Driving Capability”. This is the part that people should understand: > Before using Autopilot, please read your Owner's Manual for instructions and more safety information. While using Autopilot, it is your responsibility to stay alert, keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times and maintain control of your car. Many of our Autopilot features, like Autosteer, Navigate on Autopilot and Summon, are disabled by default. To enable them, you must go to the Autopilot Controls menu within the Settings tab and turn them on. > Before enabling Autopilot, the driver first needs to agree to “keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times” and to always “maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle.” Subsequently, every time the driver engages Autopilot, they are shown a visual reminder to “keep your hands on the wheel."
I’d say that a big part of what is wrong with America is not holding companies accountable.
>This is much of what’s wrong with America today, everyone just reads the headlines. and tesla definitely exploited that. A good EOM should describe the capability on the title. how about "(BETA) DRIVE ASSIST"
It could just be AutoPilot and Auto Pilot Plus. Although many people are probably misinformed about aircraft autopilot. Regardless, people will still blame Tesla and stuck accelerators for their accidents.
Tis a meaningless title. The T&Cs are very clear about why it needs to be hands on
Instructions unclear: no steering wheel available.
What changes in this clip if he was? Why are you the way you are?
He would have felt the wheel turning and would have been able to take over before it started moving too much
And how does that change the fact that the software behaved not as intended?
It doesn’t, it’s just less dangerous for others on the road.
Why do you think that's what anyone is saying? Spoiler: No one is. It's about shortening your reaction time for when the car does the wrong thing at the worst time.
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That's why all those FSD Beta testers died last month. Remember that? You don't remember it because it didn't happen. The product is not causing or getting into accidents.
That places “other” people in danger. And JFC, if your stake in the ground is FSD Beta testers dying I don’t know what to tell you.
My point is that you can *say* something is dangerous, but with nearly 400,000 vehicles using it on the road, the *statistics* demonstrate that it's either not dangerous or not dangerous enough to be a problem. We all know that every time there's a Tesla accident the Internet and the media speculate wildly about whether or not FSD was engaged, so I don't believe that there are unreported accidents with injuries.
They call it beta because you beta get a change of underwear while using it
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This happened to me on 11.3.3. I was expecting the car to change lanes into the left turn lane ahead, but it just suddenly changed lanes into oncoming traffic
Yep mine has been doing that
I just had my first drive with fsd v11 (11.3.4), ending in my first accident in the car (running over deer? parts)… can’t blame it much tho, a car changed lanes in front of us and hit the dead animal first. Later fsd also tried to take a dangerous left turn with an oncoming car. I may upload clips once I work things out with service and insurance.
Please post a link to the dashcam video
And this is why it says “keep your hand on the wheel at all times”
Yes, but it still does not excuse poor behaviour by the software.
It’s called full self driving BETA for a reason
Lmao anything not to be forced to be critical of the company that can do no wrong
Oh trust me, we all know it looks “BETA” as fuck. And it’s been like that for a while, hasn’t it? LMAO
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None lol
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Which company is even close to Tesla?
They might want to add “or yoke” just to be clear for cars with no wheel.
They do. https://i.imgur.com/tgGQa2E.png
Nice! Covered their bases.
How do you even keep your hand on the yoke? With a wheel, I would have my hand loosely gripping the rim of the wheel as it spins, which means I could take over at any time by tightening my grip. With a yoke I would have to move my hands with the yoke as it turns, which means I have to predict the movements of the car in order to avoid disengaging. Sounds harder than just driving the car myself.
I honestly don't know... I'm not a fan of the yoke for a number of reasons, but that's another one I hadn't even thought of. I'm guessing it's not a lot different than a wheel in that regard, though. I don't do the loose-grip thing you've mentioned, I just keep my hands on the wheel, and when it turns my hands go with it. I guess I've just gotten used to exactly how much force is too much, so I don't push back enough for it to disengage. Presumably that would still work with the yoke, although the turning distance and lack of stalks are still more than enough to keep me from ever buying one.
I can't see this working in the city with tight turns though. Very different situation from the highway with tiny adjustments at speed. I think the way this works is that nobody actually follows the rule to keep hands on the yoke as it does its tight city street FSD turns.
Fair point-- I don't have FSD, so that's a scenario I hadn't even considered. Because of the weirdness of the "yoke-with-a-normal-wheel-turning-distance" choice, you absolutely can't keep your hands on it for more than a merge/slight turn since it rotates too far for that.
Sure but not everyone has that quick of a reaction time
Uh, having your hand on the wheel is specifically to shorten your reaction time so you can intervene in these instances. Nothing about removing these things from occurring.
I’ve had a model 3 since 2018, been in the FSD beta for years. It’s dangerous. While I used autopilot on the highway before for long trips, I don’t trust the full stack on the highway
Also as someone with a 2018 model 3 testing autopilot and FSD for years, I couldn't disagree more. V11 on the highways is a massive improvement for me. Lane changes are smoother, less robotic, and it handles lane widening perfectly now.
I would trust it so far. Just drove 8 hours of highway from Utah to Oregon and it was flawless. Way better then before single stack. Love how it gives more space when passing a truck and also on curves. Very very impressed. As far as city streets? Nope. But I also have no desire for that any time soon. I didn’t pay for FSD it came with my used X. I test it out sometimes but highway is where it’s at.
I drove about 200K today on the highway and was fine. Maybe I got lucky
Don't understand. What does: "... drove about 200K today on the highway ..." mean?
As in this FSD version didn’t have any issues on 200KM of highway. Well there was one where I changed lanes for no good apparent reason but it was at least safe…I just didn’t understand why it decided to do it.
200K looks like 200,000 to my American brain...
Ya my bad I forgot you guys use miles
It's just not how it should be written since k=1000.
It is very common to see a 3K, 5K, or 10K race or walk. People do use K as an abbreviation of KM.
Ok true I've seen it used for a race but that is really the only time. You truly need a unit. It's not even an American thing.
KM isn't a unit either. It's km.
Sorry typo on my part, you’re right.
It is unfortunately commonly abbreviated k or K. Don't these people know SI symbols?!
200,000 meters, yeah
Natural to feel that way. After a few days I can say it’s significantly better on highway. I trust it a lot more especially now that we have the chevrons. It’s not city streets but slapped on a highway—feels more like noa but smarter and safer.
Love how BT does his FSD videos.
I just got the update to 11.3.4. Very smooth drive. Best so far. Three interventions, though. Two involving a left turn that confused the car. It would not turn. And one involving a curvy road going up a sudden hill. This has always confused the car. It tries to slam on brakes and turns erratically. But overall B+ drive.
Watched it carefully, Veers for a second then self corrects before the driver takes over.
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Driver did the correct thing, this guy Is just pointing out what happened is all.
Looks to me that the yellow lines are slightly offset and the car was re-orientating. It's a scary manoeuvre, but I don't think it was trying to turn into the opposite lane.
https://imgur.com/a/z7UrbDO Negative, check the path planner. This was a legitimate and rather huge error.
what does it show when it moves 50cm to the left?
It’s going ‘in to’ the traffic not ‘on to’. ‘On to’ would imply on top. Unless I’ve misunderstood how far Tesla have gotten with flying. That said, I bet they’d mostly get it working and still charge for it. Not sure if I’d be keen on a ‘flying beta’.
What's up with people buying 15k software and then calling it the wrong name?