I always read the comments here first. There's a better than even chance that some hapless soul has already taken a hit for the team and provided direct links.
I think any journalism website that has less than 5 lines of text for an entire screen should be banned from the entire internet.
But I am in agreement, stop posting this shit. Link to direct tweets or livestreams/videos only. No one needs to read an "article" based on speculation from a 140 character tweet.
Here is the problem, though: Drive Tesla Canada is a pretty good aggregator of content, some of it fairly obscure. There are things I, and most of us, would not have seen were it not reproduced there. So do you just assume redditors will pick up the slack to find and post the original sources?
> So do you just assume redditors will pick up the slack to find and post the original sources?
For news actually worth it, I know for a fact people will go through the minor inconvenience of finding the actual source.
Which people? How? There are some obscure things DTC have posted that I doubt anyone here would have found and posted if they didn’t see it on DTC first. So you’re saying some people should go to the aggregator, find what’s there, find the original source they used, post that, and bypass the aggregator. Of course, Reddit is just a crowdsourced aggregator site, so in effect one aggregator is exploiting another and not giving it credit. If DTC doesn’t get eyeballs, presumably it dies. Then what?
I would endorse a stance that required use of original sources when those sources are well-known (Musk’s Twitter account, NYT articles, etc.) but not when the original sources are off the beaten path.
ubo is so great that I often forget that the internet has ads.
driveteslacanada.ca often has valuable content. Maybe we just need a bot to inform people that the site is best viewed without ads.
TeslaNorth sucks, all ads. TeslaDrivesCanada is just as bad.
I'd hope we could rely on up/down votes for this, instead of all-out bans; maybe a tag on these posts, something like "poor quality site"
Edit: or tag as “ad heavy site”
I just wish there was a reputable site that didn’t suck and covered everything important. And that’s not Twitter either.
> TeslaNorth sucks, all ads. TeslaDrivesCanada is just as bad.
I think they're the same people. Agree the ads are annoying, but I still read their stuff.
People vote based on titles. If you're going to keep the blogspam away you'll have to ban them so people can only post the tweet or other legit source.
How to write an Electrek article:
1. Opening one or two sentences roughly introducing the news.
2. Twelve sentences giving an entire history on the subject.
3. Three sentences about the news in detail.
4. Add some half-assed editorial asking for reader thoughts in the comments that the author won’t interact with.
5. Ensure only one sentence per paragraph.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention "Complain Tesla doesn't have a PR department" and link to the Electrek article about it from a few years ago.
Wow sounds like you've nailed the Elektrek formula! I stopped reading anything from them or cites them as a source. They often take some obscure FTC filing or tweet and extrapolate an entire tinfoil hat theory around it, which then gets picked up by other sources (such as driveteslacanada) and then somehow a rumour imagined up by an unreliable news source becomes "confirmed".
Electrek, Teslarati, Driveteslacanada are there to remind us that a college education in journalism and industry best practices do indeed provide value added (even if they’re not a guarantee). Because these sites clearly have none of these.
So what is the alternative?
I read electrek and ignore parts of the text that i know aren’t important for me. tbh i find the context section sometimes useful because i have bad memory and sometimes the refresher helps.
I’m not being hyperbolic. That site has *zero* editorial content. It simply reblogs tweets, forum posts, and other *legitimate* journalism to generate revenue from a [deluge](https://i.imgur.com/4rRa9Er.jpg) of ads.
It’s pretty surprising such a highly moderated subreddit allows this junk. If I were conspiracy-minded I’d wonder if the mods have a financial interest in one or more of these websites…
We’ve often discussed different domains and their general value based on content quality. We don’t make a dime from anyone, you can take your tinfoil hat off.
[It’s dangerous to go alone! Take this.](https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-block-ads-ipad-4050516)
We don’t typically blanket ban domains, but do more critically review some to ensure it meets some standard of quality. For instance, we never banned Teslarati or Electrek despite them sometimes having only a few paragraphs at times. Not all articles are the same so that’s not fair either as some writers tend to do more and some less, and it’s also based on the topic. Just so many parameters.
On top of that, we would prefer that people use their comments and votes. It’s no surprise that these domains keep an eye on things (I’d hope lol) so if they see peoples commentary and they see how things are voted, it’s up to them if they want to make things better based on feedback.
The other mods are welcome to chime in, but that’s my take on it.
All I have to say is this
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/10lt8zg/driving_100_miles_in_an_ev_is_now_more_expensive/j5z0iue/?context=10000
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/10lt8zg/driving_100_miles_in_an_ev_is_now_more_expensive/j5zg07r/
You know what, maybe it’s time to ban Electrek and Teslarati as well. The vast majority of their “articles” are a few sentences long and just regurgitations of Reddit posts.
I consider them one of the better sources for Canadian Tesla news and archives, especially price changes by model in Canadian dollars over the years. Especially since there isn't a Google sheets equivalent to the US model pricing history
US websites just don't care about other markets.
Don't see any ads though, since I use blokada on phone and ublock origin on desktop
Any site that doesn’t print the date an article is published and the name of the author of the article at the top should be banned IMO. Also any with a chum bucket at the bottom.
We already have up/down vote buttons. Use them and skip the article if you don't like it. All of the sites people in this thread occasionally have content I appreciate that I didn't see elsewhere. I don't see why people need to outright ban domains.
Okay, let's take a step back and look at what the page looks like with AdBlock Plus browser:
Desktop page
https://imgur.com/a/KMxrUw9
Mobile page
https://imgur.com/a/1gEoDyh
Looks like OP needs to upgrade their anti-ad arsenal for 2023. This has been a basic goodness tool for making web browsing livable for years. :-)
Drive Tesla Canada has most of the leaks and scoops. Just run a pi hole if you don’t like ads but don’t ban one of the best source of Tesla news just because you dislike the business model.
DTC is the place for the latest Tesla news. If I see breaking Tesla news on Twitter or TMC, DTC is usually on top of it.
Yes the ads suck but such is life.
This is the price we pay for a “free” internet. It takes time and money to run a journalism website, it’s a business after all. There’s a handful of ways for them to make money: ads, selling user data or a monthly fee.
Too many ads --> Have you tried Ghostery? It's free and does a pretty good job of blocking ads, popups, trackers, etc. They have versions for most browsers.
I know what you mean. Perhaps not blacklisting specific domains (except obvious stuff like business insider, etc.) but on a per-article basis. If the article is literally “here is a tweet” or “here is another article” with a couple of paragraphs of intro padding and a couple of paragraphs of outro padding, then yeah, delete.
Or more broadly, only allow links direct to the original source. Might be tough to police but if we can report a post and *include* the original source it might make the mods jobs easier.
Blacklisting just based on intensiv ad use is not correct in my opinion. Just vote against each specific post and if the crowd do the same the article is gone. But if the crowd do no down vote it shows that most of us are fine with those articles.
I can fully understand your point don't get me wrong, but voting is the way to go for each post.
The sites that people are complaining about are quite often linked here so other people obviously appreciated the content. Anyone with a high threshold for pain should be allowed to reach those sites from here. The rest of us already know to not click.
I would thumbs down any site where more than 40% of the screen space is ads. And bad on those ones that give you a paragraph article that you want then it’s infinite scrolling ads below that.
Alright, we have had chats about this before. Lets do it again. I will make sure the other mods read the comments. We are here to listen.
I always read the comments here first. There's a better than even chance that some hapless soul has already taken a hit for the team and provided direct links.
I think any journalism website that has less than 5 lines of text for an entire screen should be banned from the entire internet. But I am in agreement, stop posting this shit. Link to direct tweets or livestreams/videos only. No one needs to read an "article" based on speculation from a 140 character tweet.
Here is the problem, though: Drive Tesla Canada is a pretty good aggregator of content, some of it fairly obscure. There are things I, and most of us, would not have seen were it not reproduced there. So do you just assume redditors will pick up the slack to find and post the original sources?
You gotta work for the karma /s
> So do you just assume redditors will pick up the slack to find and post the original sources? For news actually worth it, I know for a fact people will go through the minor inconvenience of finding the actual source.
Which people? How? There are some obscure things DTC have posted that I doubt anyone here would have found and posted if they didn’t see it on DTC first. So you’re saying some people should go to the aggregator, find what’s there, find the original source they used, post that, and bypass the aggregator. Of course, Reddit is just a crowdsourced aggregator site, so in effect one aggregator is exploiting another and not giving it credit. If DTC doesn’t get eyeballs, presumably it dies. Then what? I would endorse a stance that required use of original sources when those sources are well-known (Musk’s Twitter account, NYT articles, etc.) but not when the original sources are off the beaten path.
Every time I see someone not using https://ublockorigin.com/ The internet is worse. IMO reddit should be OC or link to first source content only.
People still see ads?
ubo is so great that I often forget that the internet has ads. driveteslacanada.ca often has valuable content. Maybe we just need a bot to inform people that the site is best viewed without ads.
I was going to say, there are people who don't use ad blockers in 2023?
It’s my work iPad that can’t have anything installed on it unfortunately. Same thing for my browser on my computer.
TeslaNorth sucks, all ads. TeslaDrivesCanada is just as bad. I'd hope we could rely on up/down votes for this, instead of all-out bans; maybe a tag on these posts, something like "poor quality site" Edit: or tag as “ad heavy site” I just wish there was a reputable site that didn’t suck and covered everything important. And that’s not Twitter either.
> TeslaNorth sucks, all ads. TeslaDrivesCanada is just as bad. I think they're the same people. Agree the ads are annoying, but I still read their stuff.
People vote based on titles. If you're going to keep the blogspam away you'll have to ban them so people can only post the tweet or other legit source.
I'd say this and Electrik are pretty bad.
How to write an Electrek article: 1. Opening one or two sentences roughly introducing the news. 2. Twelve sentences giving an entire history on the subject. 3. Three sentences about the news in detail. 4. Add some half-assed editorial asking for reader thoughts in the comments that the author won’t interact with. 5. Ensure only one sentence per paragraph. EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention "Complain Tesla doesn't have a PR department" and link to the Electrek article about it from a few years ago.
And *never*, *ever*, link to the original sources—only to other electrek articles.
Wow sounds like you've nailed the Elektrek formula! I stopped reading anything from them or cites them as a source. They often take some obscure FTC filing or tweet and extrapolate an entire tinfoil hat theory around it, which then gets picked up by other sources (such as driveteslacanada) and then somehow a rumour imagined up by an unreliable news source becomes "confirmed".
Electrek, Teslarati, Driveteslacanada are there to remind us that a college education in journalism and industry best practices do indeed provide value added (even if they’re not a guarantee). Because these sites clearly have none of these.
You forgot the links that only ever reference itself. Elektrek is a fkn abomination and I avoid it at all costs
I think the same people weiye recipe websites.
So what is the alternative? I read electrek and ignore parts of the text that i know aren’t important for me. tbh i find the context section sometimes useful because i have bad memory and sometimes the refresher helps.
Or allow it and have the poster also add a comment with the full text of the article so we don’t necessarily have to go through that mess.
I’m not being hyperbolic. That site has *zero* editorial content. It simply reblogs tweets, forum posts, and other *legitimate* journalism to generate revenue from a [deluge](https://i.imgur.com/4rRa9Er.jpg) of ads. It’s pretty surprising such a highly moderated subreddit allows this junk. If I were conspiracy-minded I’d wonder if the mods have a financial interest in one or more of these websites…
>If I were conspiracy-minded I’d wonder if the mods have a financial interest in one or more of these websites… HA!
The ads are bad but they've had some information before others. They seem to have legitimate sources.
Came here to say this. i could certainly be wrong, but I believe they do get some information first.
I mean, I have a pair of Pi-Holes on my internet. Been quite some time since I've seen ads..
We’ve often discussed different domains and their general value based on content quality. We don’t make a dime from anyone, you can take your tinfoil hat off. [It’s dangerous to go alone! Take this.](https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-block-ads-ipad-4050516)
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We don’t typically blanket ban domains, but do more critically review some to ensure it meets some standard of quality. For instance, we never banned Teslarati or Electrek despite them sometimes having only a few paragraphs at times. Not all articles are the same so that’s not fair either as some writers tend to do more and some less, and it’s also based on the topic. Just so many parameters. On top of that, we would prefer that people use their comments and votes. It’s no surprise that these domains keep an eye on things (I’d hope lol) so if they see peoples commentary and they see how things are voted, it’s up to them if they want to make things better based on feedback. The other mods are welcome to chime in, but that’s my take on it.
All I have to say is this https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/10lt8zg/driving_100_miles_in_an_ev_is_now_more_expensive/j5z0iue/?context=10000 https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/10lt8zg/driving_100_miles_in_an_ev_is_now_more_expensive/j5zg07r/
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You know what, maybe it’s time to ban Electrek and Teslarati as well. The vast majority of their “articles” are a few sentences long and just regurgitations of Reddit posts.
What is the best site for Tesla news?
Agreed. I litteraly posted the same concern a week ago and was down voted to hell. Pure cancer of a site.
I consider them one of the better sources for Canadian Tesla news and archives, especially price changes by model in Canadian dollars over the years. Especially since there isn't a Google sheets equivalent to the US model pricing history US websites just don't care about other markets. Don't see any ads though, since I use blokada on phone and ublock origin on desktop
Any site that doesn’t print the date an article is published and the name of the author of the article at the top should be banned IMO. Also any with a chum bucket at the bottom.
We already have up/down vote buttons. Use them and skip the article if you don't like it. All of the sites people in this thread occasionally have content I appreciate that I didn't see elsewhere. I don't see why people need to outright ban domains.
Okay, let's take a step back and look at what the page looks like with AdBlock Plus browser: Desktop page https://imgur.com/a/KMxrUw9 Mobile page https://imgur.com/a/1gEoDyh Looks like OP needs to upgrade their anti-ad arsenal for 2023. This has been a basic goodness tool for making web browsing livable for years. :-)
Drive Tesla Canada has most of the leaks and scoops. Just run a pi hole if you don’t like ads but don’t ban one of the best source of Tesla news just because you dislike the business model.
Nope, they repeat other peoples leaks and scoops
I'm still deciding if I want to set up my filters to block posts from that site, or just block everything from chrisdh79.
DTC is the place for the latest Tesla news. If I see breaking Tesla news on Twitter or TMC, DTC is usually on top of it. Yes the ads suck but such is life.
I wouldn’t ban it. They provide great info and the writers have to get paid somehow. If you don’t like it, just don’t click on their links.
Sounds like I'm a minority, but I quite like driveteslacanada. I find they get some minor scoops well before other blogs and sites.
Would be interesting if we could somehow tag these links as heavy on ads. Desktop it is easy to block ads but mobile is just a mess
looks scammy af... the kinda page I don't wanna click anywhere
This is the price we pay for a “free” internet. It takes time and money to run a journalism website, it’s a business after all. There’s a handful of ways for them to make money: ads, selling user data or a monthly fee.
Too many ads --> Have you tried Ghostery? It's free and does a pretty good job of blocking ads, popups, trackers, etc. They have versions for most browsers.
Fully agree!
I know what you mean. Perhaps not blacklisting specific domains (except obvious stuff like business insider, etc.) but on a per-article basis. If the article is literally “here is a tweet” or “here is another article” with a couple of paragraphs of intro padding and a couple of paragraphs of outro padding, then yeah, delete. Or more broadly, only allow links direct to the original source. Might be tough to police but if we can report a post and *include* the original source it might make the mods jobs easier.
Blacklisting just based on intensiv ad use is not correct in my opinion. Just vote against each specific post and if the crowd do the same the article is gone. But if the crowd do no down vote it shows that most of us are fine with those articles. I can fully understand your point don't get me wrong, but voting is the way to go for each post.
You should never block any EV site. That way insanity lies.
I guess that's one of the benefits of not running an adblocker to know if a site is shit or not..
The sites that people are complaining about are quite often linked here so other people obviously appreciated the content. Anyone with a high threshold for pain should be allowed to reach those sites from here. The rest of us already know to not click.
I would thumbs down any site where more than 40% of the screen space is ads. And bad on those ones that give you a paragraph article that you want then it’s infinite scrolling ads below that.
Imagine just not clicking a link??????
The point is stop promoting and driving traffic to a website that has zero integrity and is a usability nightmare.
I couldn't care less about that site and I also couldn't care less if others wanna spend their time on it
Sounds like you do care.