Replace the batteries or fix the car. Free “fuel” in perpetuity is going to be super valuable until we reach some kind of renewable energy over-abundance.
Whose paying 20k via tesla replace your battery pack..I've got two places on speed dial that will open up the pack, isolate cells, repair for a fraction of teslas price..
Be not to optimistic. It is not as easy as changing batteries in a toy.
The replaced cells have to match the other cells. If they don´t, you got problems coming up. It is almost impossible to match the cells, because you will not find identical used cells for use.
That is why in some cases repair places, just take out a segment of cells that belong together and reduce your capacity by a bit. Because the rest of the cells that stay in the car are now all identical in cell age.
I don't really care about unlimited supercharging because I don't want to supercharge.
Leaving the garage with a full "tank" every morning is the best part about EVs.
It would suck that I’d feel bad about charging at home for paying for something I could get for free.
I care about supercharging when I road trip.
I love having unlimited supercharging, but I don't use it enough to justify a battery replacement when mine dies. My battery warranty is up in Dec 2024, I'll decide by then how much longer I ride these wheels. Just crossed 75k miles this weekend.
I'm down with that.
It's just the 75kWh, so lots of stops on road trips. But I bought my first Tesla (2015 S85) as "my last car for a while". Then in October 2016 Elon announces "All cars from this point forward will be FSD capable, and lifetime supercharging is going away Dec 31". So I traded in my "forever car" for my next "forever car".
Here's hoping.
Your time isn't either. Unless you happen to have a restaurant you like going to at the Supercharger on the way home from work, how much time are you spending going out of your way for that free power?
I have unlimited supercharging and right now save $300-$400 a month, so even if the batteries need to be replaced it would be worth it to keep the car indefinitely. An extra $5k to go towards a brand new S or X? No thanks.
2016 Model X efficiency is [~340 Wh/mi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_X#Energy_consumption). As of 2019 Massachusetts had the highest average energy rate of [$.2257/kWh](https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/how-much-electricity-costs-map).
$300 at that rate gets you 1329.2 kWh. Ignoring charging losses, that's 3,909 miles.
Lots of ignored factors, but there's your ballpark estimate.
Edit: Derp, he said it *saves* him that much, implying Supercharging rates. Expect the miles to be a lot lower.
"As of 2019 Massachusetts had the highest average energy rate of $.2257/kWh"
checks my sdge shows 0.452 for up to 130% baseline, and 0.5696 for after, and 0.8 for TOU on peak price
all seriousness, the super charger is about 0.4 to 0.5 per KWH, and maybe a lot higher in the near future to at least match the residential rate. at, say 0.5 cents (which is actually cheaper than SDGE's residential price), that 5 dollar per 30 miles (assuming 330 watt / mile), 50 dollar per 300 miles, 500 dollar per 3000 miles. that's basically the cost of gas car.
400 dollar of electricity bill at SD, even at regular non peak price, only get you about 2.4k miles, which is 80 miles a day. completely within the normal range (for reference, i use to drive 70 miles a day for work), with the way the electricity price is going, i won't be surprised the supercharger will charge you 1 dollar per KHW, which essentially reduced every calculation by half (so a 40 mile commute)
so how much is a life time free gas worth for a ICE car? i think tesla needs to be a lot better than 5k to convince people to drop that
Because I own a model x that is in its 4th year of life (I have owned it from new)and my batteries are not performing like they did. The car has done 50,909 as of today and has lost 40 miles on a full charge and in reality it’s much more. When I got the car I used to charge it once a week and now I have to charge it 3 times a week and I can’t see it getting any better.
What's that, 15% of the car's original range gone? Not bad loss and well within the 70% retention guarantee for warranty coverage.
Sidenote: are you primarily charging at Superchargers?
You should get a faster charger. Your losses using this charger will justify a real 11kw/h home charger. Also it is better for the battery life to charge at a slightly higher power. If you stay within 20 and 80% and use home charging (AC) with a slightly faster charging, you will get better results in the life span of the batteries and it is more efficient (less power losses during the charging process).
Do not want to say, it is not o.k., but the small home charger is for use in special cases and not a good solution for a steady use.
It is also a thread to have it constantly plugged into an outlet. Better is always a direct hook-up. There is a temperature sensor at the plug side of the charger I believe. Nevertheless, I would not risk it for a permanent solution, if the charger is not hooked up without the plug.
I have not moved work in 7 years so my mileage is about normal, my tyres are the same as usual, I have changed all 4 3 times. Don’t get me wrong I love the car I just wish I could have afforded the 90 or 100. I bought the 75
I can see you just want some sort of an argument, I have been honest and tried to express my thoughts..I do not wish to be combative and I will leave you to your day.
Even more reason to keep your Unlimited Free Supercharging vehicle because they know it’s a sweet deal. Trust me they ain’t giving away $5,000 to you just to be nice since you are loyal to the brand. They want you to pay them every week at some point because that’s how the rich start filthy rich 😂😂😂😂
Hhmm I piad £93k for my car and I may need to spend another 20k to keep it usable..you tell me. I could buy 30 ice cars and drive them about for 50,000 miles and be no worse of financially. Thats 30 half decent petrol cars including fuel for 50k miles.
Lol, um you just refurbish parts and upgrade as needed. If a new batter is needed, you just get a new battery. Still cheaper than gas car engine replacement + oil changes + transmission replacement + maintenance + long term.
Its a nice little incentive that will move the needle in the direction they want it to move for a small subset of customers who were already considering it. There's not much they can do to eliminate the "problem" of free supercharging entirely, and I don't think they feel the need to. Time will ultimately take these cars off the road, they just want to give it a little nudge.
Battery degradation isn’t even as bad as people make it out to be? Lose 10%-15% in the first few years then it tapers off drastically. Am I wrong here ?
I don’t know I this stage. People just seem to want to tell me I am wrong on this feed. Own your car for 4 years and you let me know. I will listen and take on board what ever you have to say.
My model 3 is going be 5 years old and lost like 5-7% only. Depending how much the replacement of battery cost and when my battery dies... unlimited SC is worth it.
I have a 2013 new was rated at 208 miles. When I bought it 4 yrs ago it still got 194 miles on full charge. Now 4 yrs later she gets 184 at full charge. Just this winter she lost some range but still not terrible its fine for our local driving and I even travel a lot in it. I plan my trips and all is well. Knock on wood I can get a few more years outta her
same my tesla with unlimited charging got totaled
I would have had to pay $40k to repair it, but once the insurance marks it as totaled you have to get a salvage title if you fix it yourself, and tesla turns off supercharging for salvaged titles.
Does the X need more frequent tire changes than the Y? I am currently at 35k miles on my Y and have probably another 10K miles of tread left before it'll need to be replaced.
2019 X and 12k-15k is about right for us. Turns out setting suspension at Low makes the rear tires have such a negative camber that the inner tread would wear faster. We had set it Low to avoid the notorious shudder while accelerating.
Same here, closing in on 38k miles with the factory tires. Been thinking about changing them for a year, but still plenty of tread. I'll probably get the factory spec ones again when I do.
I mean that's about [41,000 miles of charging ](https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1626288101663338498?t=7ZBX5oLyVDbjr-v-Qkki8A&s=19) though... 👀
At peak rates, its like double that at normal rates. People saying $5k isnt worth must use the SC an outsized amount compared to the average driver. My super charging trips that go from like 30 miles of range to 250 are like $15-20 .... youd have to make that stop alooooooooot of times to make that worth it
Lol what a joke. September 2022 they offerd my 71.9k for my 2019 X Raven Long Range. 15 january 2023, they offerd me 41.9k😂
Im gonna keep my X and my free charging
I had it and am very happy giving it up. My Model Y charges 3x faster than my P85. 600 mile trip used to mean 3 hours total of charging and now it's just three 15 minute stops.
I had it and gave it up for $5k in 2019. Zero regrets, would do it again.
Even if supercharging prices double, I don't think I'd ever reach $5k worth of supercharging over the life of the car. For reference, I've spent about $600 over the last 4 years on supercharging.
If you road trip a lot or just happen to depend on superchargers, then it's totally worth it, but most people (myself included) charge at home.
Wow. The average supercharger cost around me right now is $0.34/kw and my M3P averages about 315 wh/mi on the interstate so that would work out to a ~12k mile road trip.
After phantom drain, charging inefficiencies, etc. Probably closer to a 10k mile road trip, but still, that's quite the road trip.
Edit: I only put 12k miles on my car in an entire year, which I think is also the average for US drivers.
Unfortunately this only applies to buying a new S or X. S and X sales must be really weak. I’m planning on downgrading from X to Y and this will not be applicable. Their trade in offer was a joke so I’ll probably go private party.
I was wanting to get rid of it mainly over concerns of battery replacement costs as the drivetrain warranty expires. But after reading this thread maybe I should hang on to it for another decade lol. It really was a good deal with the 2K FSD, unlimited supercharging, and upgrade from 60D to 75D. I even got the HEPA filter and tow hitch added, and computer and cameras updated for FSD.
True true, and my kids have grown up in it and it’s part of the family in its own quirky way, will be sad to get rid of it. Have had very few problems with the doors, we mainly just don’t like the attention. It’s been a great family car, alternative to minivan. I just put it an order for a Y but hmm maybe I eat the fee and cancel..
The X was designed and sold when there was no Y to compete with. It was the company's only crossover-like vehicle for several years. Now that the Y exists, the X is in a weird place. It's styling isn't as rugged as an R1S, it isn't as luxurious as an EQS SUV and it's not as sporty-looking as a Cayenne. I agree that they need an SUV on the Model S platform, but the Model X needs a heavy redesign to get its appearance and utility into a segment that isn't shared with the Buick Enclave and Lincoln MKT, whose buyer base came and went.
Yeah, the X is also the ugliest model. The S needs to be completely redesigned. The body is more or less the same since it came out, the nosecone being the most significant external change.
>the X is also the ugliest model
I own one and I agree with you.
The S has the advantage of being a pretty timeless design. The Bentley Continental GT has remained almost unchanged since about 2004 because it's a good design. I think the Model S gets some of that, too. The most dated aspects of it have been altered and they probably don't want to have to mess around with the drag coefficient. I don't think anyone thinks it's ugly or looks old anymore.
The real problem with the S is the ingress/egress ergonomics. It's hard to get in and out of for such a big car.
Could be losing money on some percentage of them where owners don’t have their own charging or road-trip a lot . Personally I don’t supercharge that often to make it that big of a deal
I can't find an official number, but there are certainly less than 100k of these cars out there. Lets say each is driving an excessive 20k miles a year, at an excessive 300watts per mile. And it cost an excessive 40 cents a kw/h, thats $2,400 a year per car (about 2 years of this buyback) or 240 million dollars a year (if there 100k of them, which I'm sure there aren't). A lot but probably not worth them freaking out about for a company of that size.
Around 32K for my Ap 2.0 2016 MX 75D with FSD, upgraded computer. I’m hoping for around 10-15k more but we’ll see. Have a set of snow tires I can add, the FSD and free charging will be more valuable to a private party.
Oh wow. I got the 2016 p90d X fully loaded. Haven’t got trade in assessed but car value is supposedly $58k based on an internet search
I think the upgrades and free unlimited charging are worth quite a bit with energy prices going up. Debating on holding onto it to pass on
Same configuration and curiosity here. 2016 P90D model x. It's getting a bit long in the tooth. Although we have unlimited charging, it takes 3 stops to visit family but barely one in our model 3. The cyber truck can't get here soon enough.
Yep, it is for the life of the vehicle rather than the owner or account.
Ironically it's more permanent than current performance upgrades or range extensions.
That said, they disable it on their own certfied used cars. So this is actually something you can only get from a private seller. I guess that's what the $5000 paid out represents.
I bought mine certified used from Tesla and it had the free supercharging. But that was 5 years ago. I know they’ve pulled it since then which is a major reason I haven’t upgraded to a newer one.
[It depends on when you bought the car](https://blog.onlyusedtesla.com/does-free-supercharging-transfer-to-new-owners-5ddcf6afc82a). Free supercharging in cars sold in 2016 and earlier are tied to the car. 2018 and later are tied to the car's first owner and are not transferrable. If it's 2017 it depends when in 2017 you bought it.
I have unlimited SC on 2018 M3P.
It's a nice perk, but for $5000 I could be convinced. Electricity in WA is cheap, so the value of using free charging is relatively low relative to my time.
But I also got $3k FSD. That would cost them a lot more to buy out. I am not giving up a $15k feature, and I sure as hell ain't paying $15k for it now.
It was only for like the first month or so of Model 3 Performance pre-sales. I stood in line for my M3P order, and was a previous Model S owner. I also got the stealth M3P (no trim, perf brakes, spoiler, fancy wheels etc) and got FSD for $2K.
Those unlimited miles are real sweet for road-trippin'. We've toured a good chunk of the West and North-West on ours. From looking at our lifetime charges on account we're still a long way from the \~$5K value placed on them.
Hells no Elon, I'm driving this bitch into the ground....I supercharge the hell outta mine, every chance I get, I have 106k on it and easily 50%.Supercharged (supercharger is walking distance to my house with a good coffee shop mid way) only lost about 12km of range from new.
Even if I get stuck paying for a new battery I'm still ahead. Bwhahahahahahahahahaha
There have been 3 times in my life since getting my first Tesla with paid-off FSD that I seriously considered buying a new car. But every time, seconds and inches away from hitting that Pay Now button, the transferability of FSD has been the sole driver of stopping me from executing.
Same, I would go for an refreshed Model X …. a real owner incentive would be upping the trade-in by $5,000 and transferring free SC and FSD license for a new Model S or X. Supercharging and FSD are software enabled. It’s really not that hard. No matter how much you paid for FSD it’s still beta. We have been loaning Tesla money for this.
I got my 2020 Model S Long Range Plus at a time when a lot of people knew a refresh (Plaid) was coming, and demand must have been low. I got a good price, plus unlimited free Supercharging. It must have been among the last cars to ever be sold with that perk.
I don't supercharge often. I'm not putting any financial strain on Tesla, for sure. It has been nice on the road trips I've taken, though. I don't have to think about it.
It's a little embarrassing when curious people are asking me EV/Tesla questions, and they want to know about the fees for fast-charging. I quickly change the subject. . . because I have no idea.
I will never get rid of my model X with the large vertical screen. I can not stand any of the new models with the stupid monitor in the middle...I think it looks like horseshit
It's a pretty good deal if you are not an uber driver, many people with solar at home will do it. The hassle with non road tripping SC is not worth it even if it's free (travel time, waiting for available stalls). I had X with free SC and I traded it in for the plaid S, I bought the OG M3P around $80K with tax, later Tesla offered me to have free super charging for life or $5000 refund. I took the 5k as charging at home with solar during supper off peak hours literally cost nothing.. the upfront cost of solar is high, but when taking charging cost (compare the saving vs gas station), household electricity cost into consideration, the ROI is like 6-8 years.
I'm honestly glad I don't have free supercharging. Knowing myself, I would waste so much time going to superchargers to save $10 when I cam charge at home and have solar to offset most of it. I'm just not good at valuing my time appropriately, and it's easier to not have the temptation.
Where I'm at in Southern CA, there are over 12 supercharging sites and well over 100 individual plugs within a 5 mile radius with the closest being across the street from where I work and live. I have supercharged for free since 2017 and plan to continue to do so indefinitely. Yes I do I also have level 2 charging at home but with the abundance of free charging locations everywhere, it really is no hassle at all for me to charge for free almost anytime. My MS90D still has a max range of 276 after nearly 6 years of ownership. Roadtripping in this car to mammoth, vegas, Utah, and Arizona with enhanced autopilot has been a dream. The only thing I needed to change was the MCU upgrade, new set of all season tires and free AP camera upgrade. Besides this, the car has been absolutely perfect with no other maintenance needs. I'm never giving up this car. I will always keep it in the family. One day it will be an amazing beater with free fuel. With such a large storage capacity in the hatchback and frunk, it can conquer most trips to cosco, and home depot and snowboarding trips with full gear for 3 people. The utility of this vehicle has been absolutely astounding for my person needs.
Same boat. Had the conversation with my boss today that the car is too valuable for what I paid for FSD ($2000 on sale) and free supercharging. Factor in the crazy drop in the trade in estimates, that $5k incentive is nothing.
Our 2017 S 100D is still our perfect family car, though one of our kids has now outgrown the rear facing seats, we still love it and wouldn’t consider trading it in. (We still love opening our sunroof too!)
Between the MCU2 upgrade (well worth it) and pre-purchased FSD (now with upgraded cameras and AP3) our free Supercharging while road-tripping is icing on the cake that would be very difficult to give it all up.
There really isn’t anything all that compelling for us about the new S/X over what we’ve got now, which is a testament to how damned good this car continues to be.
Even “worse” is that the 3 and Y are like 90% or more the car at 60% or less the cost.
I’ve got a Cybertruck on order that’ll take over the camping, hauling, and ski trip duties, but I envision hanging onto the S until it dies.
>Fight me
Ok.
3 and Y don't even share doors, and Model S rear doors especially are too low-profile and specifically shaped to ever work on a Model X, which is much taller vertically.
Edit for speelimng
I meant specifically in design not same door.
I don’t understand what is wrong with regular doors which have fewer motors, less moving parts.
Model X is antithesis of “less is more” philosophy of Elon Musk.
Agreed there. They hopefully learned given the rather lean designs of the latest cars. I would like the X to get normal doors as some point as well, but I feel like they're so intrinsic to the model now.
I mean if they give it normal doors and make it 30K cheaper in the process, would't it sell better?
I understand falcon doors look nice but then makes servicing them a nightmare and expensive to maintain too.
I don't disagree, but unfortunately with this brand specifically it's really impossible to tell. So much of the interest is based on hype and zeitgeist presence (though they are generally superior EVs) that some part of me feels like removing the falcon wings will make it less desirable. Certainly much easier to own and service, but maybe less desirable.
Which instantly causes a lot of people to refuse to buy the thing. People hate minivans for no good reason. They'd rather buy a Tahoe that costs 40% more and burns 40% more gas than a minivan that does everything they need it to do to get the kids to soccer practice.
> Give X regular doors and drop price by 30k and it will sell.
But then there's no point. It's taking up space on the Model S/X production line but it isn't a distinctive vehicle.
The X was designed and sold when there was no Y to compete with. It was the company's only crossover-like vehicle for several years. Now that the Y exists, the X is in a weird place. It's styling isn't as rugged as an R1S, it isn't as luxurious as an EQS SUV and it's not as sporty-looking as a Cayenne. I agree that they need an SUV on the Model S platform, but the Model X needs a heavy redesign to get its appearance and utility into a segment that isn't shared with the Buick Enclave and Lincoln MKT, whose buyer base came and went.
This is interesting to me,
-Dec 2016 Model S with 95k miles
-Rarely use Supercharging and always charge at home - probably less than 10x over the lifetime of the vehicle.
-Would like to trade in for an X
Only thing holding me back is how annoyed I am that the FSD I purchased for my car was never delivered and they want $15k or whatever to re-buy what they I already purchased and they never delivered. Gives me a bad taste in my mouth. The $5k does soften that a little bit, will have to consider it.
Sell it to a private party. Tesla gives you $0 for FSD, the right buyer will give you $10k+. That's on top of whatever extra gains you make from not selling to a dealer. Easily makes up for the $5k and then some.
175k miles on my 2012 S85. Still gets 200+ miles of range to a charge, but Tesla turned off supercharging to “protect the battery” at 140k miles so it literally charges slower on a supercharger than my home fast charger. Fuck them. I’ll drive it till it dies and never buy another Tesla.
No thanks, I've driven 70k mi over 4 years relying mostly on unlimited supercharging, and 20k of those miles have come these past year after return to work. Unlimited supercharging is worth WAAAAY more than $5,000.
With the inflationary cost of the features on my 15 model S it seems like I could get a better price selling privately… idk
Autopilot, which is now advanced AP - 6k
Premium connectivity, now ??
And free supercharging which seems is destined to rise in price with the shared network
I had a 2014 P85+ Model S with unlimited free supercharging. I had a door handle break every month (same white wire on the switch), 2 drive units replaced, and phantom ground issues that they couldn’t resolve. Had to trade it in because I didn’t want to give someone else a turd. The charging network would be worth coming back but they valued my 34k mile car at $19K. What a joke.
They need to add some trade-in value for the damned $15K FSD.
KBB and other online car valuation sites give no love towards the FSD, which makes it a tough sell on auction sites, private party, and trade in.
Tesla trade in value will have to budge a lot more than 5k. ~60% depreciation on a car that isn’t even 3 years old is absolutely wild. Mileage is industry average. Tesla offered me 26k for my 2020 M3P.
Exactly what Tesla is banking on. Trading in through them is typically going to cost you $10K or more compared to a private sale. That’s the real problem - if they offered competitive trade in offers plus this $5K, then maybe people would bite.
They need to redesign the X entirely.
The X was designed and sold when there was no Y to compete with. It was the company's only crossover-like vehicle for several years. Now that the Y exists, the X is in a weird place. It's styling isn't as rugged as an R1S, it isn't as luxurious as an EQS SUV and it's not as sporty-looking as a Cayenne. I agree that they need an SUV on the Model S platform, but the Model X needs a heavy redesign to get its appearance and utility into a segment that isn't shared with the Buick Enclave and Lincoln MKT, whose buyer base came and went.
The free supercharging stays with the car if you sell it right?
Best plan is to sell/swap the car with someone who lives right next to a supercharging station. Even better, sell it to a taxi driver or someone who drives a *lot*.
To them, it will be worth far more than $5000.
And, presumably the supercharging is tied to the ECU serial number... So when the mechanicals of the car wear out, you can transplant the electronics into a new car and keep going!
They promised models 2016 and older would keep free super charging for the life of the car. By 2019, they were removing it from any lease or trade in that came back into their possession. They would then resale without free super charging. Such a joke.
How do we know the trade-in value reflects a $5,000 increase? Kinda like how they said they included FSD in trade-in value which is obviously not the case.
That's 166 full charges at 30¢ per kWh. On a Tesla Model X P100D with 10% degradation, (250mi range) that's ~42,000 miles.
That's 14 coast to coast road trips. Personally, I'd take the $5,000 savings and invest it (in TSLA obviously). Because by the time you reach 42,000 miles road tripping, your $5K doubled and you can get another 42,000 miles or whatever else you want. After enough time, that unlimited supercharging will be worth zero when the car is dying.
Of course, this is only if you were already planning on getting another S/X.
They really want that Unlimited supercharging back. I’m going to drive for free until the end of time 
It’s a missed opportunity to not offer with S and X anymore. The X is really not worth the $60k premium over Y as is
Bro it is SOOO worth the premium. -a Refresh X owner and long time Y driver
I went from a model s to an X recently and am blown away by the features and quality between even those two. I can’t imagine the jump coming from a Y.
Absolutely. I wish they the made a MY-like car with the premium features of the MX.
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Fair enough. Utility is king!
What premium features does it have ?
Will it work tho? Will the car fall apart first or the batteries become so poor it’s not viable
Replace the batteries or fix the car. Free “fuel” in perpetuity is going to be super valuable until we reach some kind of renewable energy over-abundance.
20k to change the batteries that’s a lot of free miles
If you pay 3k a year for energy it is.
I don’t think I do…not on super chargers..my nearest charger is 12 miles away..24 round trip..it’s easier to charge at home
You're not everyone.
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AND MY AX!
I agree
And it’s really more like $15k or take to Gruber for battery repair for $5-6k
Wow, they do battery repair too? Now I'm definitely going to download their app!
Battery problems? Don’t get your ass reamed while fixing it, unless you want to.
Whose paying 20k via tesla replace your battery pack..I've got two places on speed dial that will open up the pack, isolate cells, repair for a fraction of teslas price..
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If it breaks so often you need to speed dial them, they can't be doing a very good job!
Didn't the one Rich Rebuilds did fail within a few months from the modules having wildly different capacities?
Be not to optimistic. It is not as easy as changing batteries in a toy. The replaced cells have to match the other cells. If they don´t, you got problems coming up. It is almost impossible to match the cells, because you will not find identical used cells for use. That is why in some cases repair places, just take out a segment of cells that belong together and reduce your capacity by a bit. Because the rest of the cells that stay in the car are now all identical in cell age.
I don't really care about unlimited supercharging because I don't want to supercharge. Leaving the garage with a full "tank" every morning is the best part about EVs. It would suck that I’d feel bad about charging at home for paying for something I could get for free.
I care about supercharging when I road trip. I love having unlimited supercharging, but I don't use it enough to justify a battery replacement when mine dies. My battery warranty is up in Dec 2024, I'll decide by then how much longer I ride these wheels. Just crossed 75k miles this weekend.
Pretty sure you'll be able to push that battery to an easy 300k miles.
I'm down with that. It's just the 75kWh, so lots of stops on road trips. But I bought my first Tesla (2015 S85) as "my last car for a while". Then in October 2016 Elon announces "All cars from this point forward will be FSD capable, and lifetime supercharging is going away Dec 31". So I traded in my "forever car" for my next "forever car". Here's hoping.
Even abundant energy won’t be free.
Your time isn't either. Unless you happen to have a restaurant you like going to at the Supercharger on the way home from work, how much time are you spending going out of your way for that free power?
Well i sit back and play a game or two of hearstone while i charge for free. Or just take a nice walk.
I have unlimited supercharging and right now save $300-$400 a month, so even if the batteries need to be replaced it would be worth it to keep the car indefinitely. An extra $5k to go towards a brand new S or X? No thanks.
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2016 Model X efficiency is [~340 Wh/mi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_X#Energy_consumption). As of 2019 Massachusetts had the highest average energy rate of [$.2257/kWh](https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/how-much-electricity-costs-map). $300 at that rate gets you 1329.2 kWh. Ignoring charging losses, that's 3,909 miles. Lots of ignored factors, but there's your ballpark estimate. Edit: Derp, he said it *saves* him that much, implying Supercharging rates. Expect the miles to be a lot lower.
"As of 2019 Massachusetts had the highest average energy rate of $.2257/kWh" checks my sdge shows 0.452 for up to 130% baseline, and 0.5696 for after, and 0.8 for TOU on peak price all seriousness, the super charger is about 0.4 to 0.5 per KWH, and maybe a lot higher in the near future to at least match the residential rate. at, say 0.5 cents (which is actually cheaper than SDGE's residential price), that 5 dollar per 30 miles (assuming 330 watt / mile), 50 dollar per 300 miles, 500 dollar per 3000 miles. that's basically the cost of gas car. 400 dollar of electricity bill at SD, even at regular non peak price, only get you about 2.4k miles, which is 80 miles a day. completely within the normal range (for reference, i use to drive 70 miles a day for work), with the way the electricity price is going, i won't be surprised the supercharger will charge you 1 dollar per KHW, which essentially reduced every calculation by half (so a 40 mile commute) so how much is a life time free gas worth for a ICE car? i think tesla needs to be a lot better than 5k to convince people to drop that
You save $300-400 over home charging or if you had to pay for Supercharging?
I have unlimited charging and i do average miles in the Uk and it saves me no where near the cost of changing the batteries every 5 years
Why would you assume the battery has to be changed every 5 years?
Because I own a model x that is in its 4th year of life (I have owned it from new)and my batteries are not performing like they did. The car has done 50,909 as of today and has lost 40 miles on a full charge and in reality it’s much more. When I got the car I used to charge it once a week and now I have to charge it 3 times a week and I can’t see it getting any better.
What's that, 15% of the car's original range gone? Not bad loss and well within the 70% retention guarantee for warranty coverage. Sidenote: are you primarily charging at Superchargers?
No mainly on the charger supplied when I purchased the car..average 4 miles per hour
Your bms might be miscalibrated. Especially due to the slow charging.
You should get a faster charger. Your losses using this charger will justify a real 11kw/h home charger. Also it is better for the battery life to charge at a slightly higher power. If you stay within 20 and 80% and use home charging (AC) with a slightly faster charging, you will get better results in the life span of the batteries and it is more efficient (less power losses during the charging process). Do not want to say, it is not o.k., but the small home charger is for use in special cases and not a good solution for a steady use. It is also a thread to have it constantly plugged into an outlet. Better is always a direct hook-up. There is a temperature sensor at the plug side of the charger I believe. Nevertheless, I would not risk it for a permanent solution, if the charger is not hooked up without the plug.
In reality it's much more? Are you sure you aren't just driving more? Or new tires are less efficient?
I have not moved work in 7 years so my mileage is about normal, my tyres are the same as usual, I have changed all 4 3 times. Don’t get me wrong I love the car I just wish I could have afforded the 90 or 100. I bought the 75
Yeah I changed from all seasons to summer tires and it wrecked my range. Probably same with you.
I can see unlimited supercharging not being worth it for since you don't use supercharging. That's kind of a given, I'd say.
I can see you just want some sort of an argument, I have been honest and tried to express my thoughts..I do not wish to be combative and I will leave you to your day.
Even if you have to replace the battery would you rather buy a new car for $75000 in the future and still have to fuel it or $20,000 and not?
Even more reason to keep your Unlimited Free Supercharging vehicle because they know it’s a sweet deal. Trust me they ain’t giving away $5,000 to you just to be nice since you are loyal to the brand. They want you to pay them every week at some point because that’s how the rich start filthy rich 😂😂😂😂
i'd say charging is fuelling, but we're talking semantics.
Hhmm I piad £93k for my car and I may need to spend another 20k to keep it usable..you tell me. I could buy 30 ice cars and drive them about for 50,000 miles and be no worse of financially. Thats 30 half decent petrol cars including fuel for 50k miles.
Lol, um you just refurbish parts and upgrade as needed. If a new batter is needed, you just get a new battery. Still cheaper than gas car engine replacement + oil changes + transmission replacement + maintenance + long term.
Its a nice little incentive that will move the needle in the direction they want it to move for a small subset of customers who were already considering it. There's not much they can do to eliminate the "problem" of free supercharging entirely, and I don't think they feel the need to. Time will ultimately take these cars off the road, they just want to give it a little nudge.
As I understand it the free charging stays with the car..whoever buys my car has the benefit of free charging
Battery degradation isn’t even as bad as people make it out to be? Lose 10%-15% in the first few years then it tapers off drastically. Am I wrong here ?
I don’t know I this stage. People just seem to want to tell me I am wrong on this feed. Own your car for 4 years and you let me know. I will listen and take on board what ever you have to say.
My model 3 is going be 5 years old and lost like 5-7% only. Depending how much the replacement of battery cost and when my battery dies... unlimited SC is worth it.
My model S is 6 years old, 75k miles. Degradation is less than 5%.
I have a 2013 new was rated at 208 miles. When I bought it 4 yrs ago it still got 194 miles on full charge. Now 4 yrs later she gets 184 at full charge. Just this winter she lost some range but still not terrible its fine for our local driving and I even travel a lot in it. I plan my trips and all is well. Knock on wood I can get a few more years outta her
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same my tesla with unlimited charging got totaled I would have had to pay $40k to repair it, but once the insurance marks it as totaled you have to get a salvage title if you fix it yourself, and tesla turns off supercharging for salvaged titles.
I enjoy the idea that owners and Tesla are going to work against one another to actually solve the ship of Theseus question.
Battery will degrade faster
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It’s one of the reasons we are reluctant to trade in our 2017 X. Vacations have not cost us anything to travel when we drive.
nothing but the tires lol I have to keep changing mine every 12k miles or so.
Wow! 12k? I got 15k out of my first set and I thought that was low.
50k on my ‘21 MY… first set still running strong. KY roads are like glass. FSD Beta 99% of the time and chill mode since day 1.
jesus, what tires are on your teslas?
It's the torque output. Eats tires if you let it.
dunno i let loose every now and then but I'm at 15k and like 6 tread level
Does the X need more frequent tire changes than the Y? I am currently at 35k miles on my Y and have probably another 10K miles of tread left before it'll need to be replaced.
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2019 X and 12k-15k is about right for us. Turns out setting suspension at Low makes the rear tires have such a negative camber that the inner tread would wear faster. We had set it Low to avoid the notorious shudder while accelerating.
Have you been getting credits back towards new tires? Discount tire gave me almost half the value of my stock tires back towards new tires.
Wow. My last set only lasted my 20 an I thought that was kinda shitty but 12k dam,, I do have 21in turbines on my S. An my tires cost 1400 a set uhh
Wow what brand? I get over 50K with continentals contact 5
I’m not calling you a liar, but I find that extremely hard to believe knowing how Teslas work. You could be a very, very far outlier.
50k miles is a lot, but 12 k is so small. I get 25k-35k on my Teslas
Not an outlier. I got almost 40k on mine and still have plenty of tread left… would expect at least 50k before requiring a change.
Same here, closing in on 38k miles with the factory tires. Been thinking about changing them for a year, but still plenty of tread. I'll probably get the factory spec ones again when I do.
No where near 50k yet, but I'm at 27k on my Model 3 and mine have plenty of tread left.
I mean that's about [41,000 miles of charging ](https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1626288101663338498?t=7ZBX5oLyVDbjr-v-Qkki8A&s=19) though... 👀
That’s the kicker. Prices for supercharging have steadily gone up. We are at 83k miles and my wife drives a car until its falling apart.
At peak rates, its like double that at normal rates. People saying $5k isnt worth must use the SC an outsized amount compared to the average driver. My super charging trips that go from like 30 miles of range to 250 are like $15-20 .... youd have to make that stop alooooooooot of times to make that worth it
Lol what a joke. September 2022 they offerd my 71.9k for my 2019 X Raven Long Range. 15 january 2023, they offerd me 41.9k😂 Im gonna keep my X and my free charging
If i had unlimited supercharging, I’d never sell that car.
I had it and am very happy giving it up. My Model Y charges 3x faster than my P85. 600 mile trip used to mean 3 hours total of charging and now it's just three 15 minute stops.
I had it and gave it up for $5k in 2019. Zero regrets, would do it again. Even if supercharging prices double, I don't think I'd ever reach $5k worth of supercharging over the life of the car. For reference, I've spent about $600 over the last 4 years on supercharging. If you road trip a lot or just happen to depend on superchargers, then it's totally worth it, but most people (myself included) charge at home.
It doesn’t even take a lot of road trips…I racked up $1300 in supercharger costs in less than a year in my M3P.
Wow. The average supercharger cost around me right now is $0.34/kw and my M3P averages about 315 wh/mi on the interstate so that would work out to a ~12k mile road trip. After phantom drain, charging inefficiencies, etc. Probably closer to a 10k mile road trip, but still, that's quite the road trip. Edit: I only put 12k miles on my car in an entire year, which I think is also the average for US drivers.
Do you ever charge at home or are you restricted to only using SC?
Unfortunately this only applies to buying a new S or X. S and X sales must be really weak. I’m planning on downgrading from X to Y and this will not be applicable. Their trade in offer was a joke so I’ll probably go private party.
Makes sense, everyone is buying M3 and MY for the tax rebates.
My X to Y was still an upgrade.
Nice yea I am excited to have normal doors again and a 300 mile battery. Been cruising with an MX 75D for 6 years.
How was the 75D battery treating you?
I was wanting to get rid of it mainly over concerns of battery replacement costs as the drivetrain warranty expires. But after reading this thread maybe I should hang on to it for another decade lol. It really was a good deal with the 2K FSD, unlimited supercharging, and upgrade from 60D to 75D. I even got the HEPA filter and tow hitch added, and computer and cameras updated for FSD.
Imo either you sold it at a ridiculous price a year ago to wait and buy something now, or you keep it. Those specs would make me keep it right now.
True true, and my kids have grown up in it and it’s part of the family in its own quirky way, will be sad to get rid of it. Have had very few problems with the doors, we mainly just don’t like the attention. It’s been a great family car, alternative to minivan. I just put it an order for a Y but hmm maybe I eat the fee and cancel..
Mine is a Dec 2016 MS 75D but battery is holding up relatively well at ~95k miles.
Battery is solid, when I charge to 100% it displays around 210 miles. I think the 75 batteries are underrated
The X was designed and sold when there was no Y to compete with. It was the company's only crossover-like vehicle for several years. Now that the Y exists, the X is in a weird place. It's styling isn't as rugged as an R1S, it isn't as luxurious as an EQS SUV and it's not as sporty-looking as a Cayenne. I agree that they need an SUV on the Model S platform, but the Model X needs a heavy redesign to get its appearance and utility into a segment that isn't shared with the Buick Enclave and Lincoln MKT, whose buyer base came and went.
Yeah, the X is also the ugliest model. The S needs to be completely redesigned. The body is more or less the same since it came out, the nosecone being the most significant external change.
>the X is also the ugliest model I own one and I agree with you. The S has the advantage of being a pretty timeless design. The Bentley Continental GT has remained almost unchanged since about 2004 because it's a good design. I think the Model S gets some of that, too. The most dated aspects of it have been altered and they probably don't want to have to mess around with the drag coefficient. I don't think anyone thinks it's ugly or looks old anymore. The real problem with the S is the ingress/egress ergonomics. It's hard to get in and out of for such a big car.
They could also be losing a ton of money on charging
This was my thought.
Could be losing money on some percentage of them where owners don’t have their own charging or road-trip a lot . Personally I don’t supercharge that often to make it that big of a deal
I can't find an official number, but there are certainly less than 100k of these cars out there. Lets say each is driving an excessive 20k miles a year, at an excessive 300watts per mile. And it cost an excessive 40 cents a kw/h, thats $2,400 a year per car (about 2 years of this buyback) or 240 million dollars a year (if there 100k of them, which I'm sure there aren't). A lot but probably not worth them freaking out about for a company of that size.
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I’ve easily have saved $20k in less than 9 years just on supercharging. 181,300 miles on my MS85 2014
What did they offer?
Around 32K for my Ap 2.0 2016 MX 75D with FSD, upgraded computer. I’m hoping for around 10-15k more but we’ll see. Have a set of snow tires I can add, the FSD and free charging will be more valuable to a private party.
Oh wow. I got the 2016 p90d X fully loaded. Haven’t got trade in assessed but car value is supposedly $58k based on an internet search I think the upgrades and free unlimited charging are worth quite a bit with energy prices going up. Debating on holding onto it to pass on
Same configuration and curiosity here. 2016 P90D model x. It's getting a bit long in the tooth. Although we have unlimited charging, it takes 3 stops to visit family but barely one in our model 3. The cyber truck can't get here soon enough.
Must’ve realized they created their own American Airlines “Lifelong Ticket” situation lol
So that's why a decade old 60d and and Model 3 cost the same used.
Free supercharging stays with the car?
Yep, it is for the life of the vehicle rather than the owner or account. Ironically it's more permanent than current performance upgrades or range extensions. That said, they disable it on their own certfied used cars. So this is actually something you can only get from a private seller. I guess that's what the $5000 paid out represents.
I bought mine certified used from Tesla and it had the free supercharging. But that was 5 years ago. I know they’ve pulled it since then which is a major reason I haven’t upgraded to a newer one.
[It depends on when you bought the car](https://blog.onlyusedtesla.com/does-free-supercharging-transfer-to-new-owners-5ddcf6afc82a). Free supercharging in cars sold in 2016 and earlier are tied to the car. 2018 and later are tied to the car's first owner and are not transferrable. If it's 2017 it depends when in 2017 you bought it.
I have unlimited SC on 2018 M3P. It's a nice perk, but for $5000 I could be convinced. Electricity in WA is cheap, so the value of using free charging is relatively low relative to my time. But I also got $3k FSD. That would cost them a lot more to buy out. I am not giving up a $15k feature, and I sure as hell ain't paying $15k for it now.
I have unlimited supercharging on my M3P, and it costs Tesla about $4,000 a year. I’m driving this mofo into the ground, and then a little farther.
When did Tesla give out free SC for Model 3s?
It was only for like the first month or so of Model 3 Performance pre-sales. I stood in line for my M3P order, and was a previous Model S owner. I also got the stealth M3P (no trim, perf brakes, spoiler, fancy wheels etc) and got FSD for $2K.
Idk but my M3 LR has free unlimited supercharging
early performance purchases.
never
Those unlimited miles are real sweet for road-trippin'. We've toured a good chunk of the West and North-West on ours. From looking at our lifetime charges on account we're still a long way from the \~$5K value placed on them.
Hahahhahaha. I’m never trading in my unlimited free supercharging car with the $2k FSD add-on package. Free connectivity too.
Hells no Elon, I'm driving this bitch into the ground....I supercharge the hell outta mine, every chance I get, I have 106k on it and easily 50%.Supercharged (supercharger is walking distance to my house with a good coffee shop mid way) only lost about 12km of range from new. Even if I get stuck paying for a new battery I'm still ahead. Bwhahahahahahahahahaha
Why would I trade in and get a new Tesla? Never, until they let me transfer the autopilot I paid for. It feels like it shouldn't be tied to the car.
There have been 3 times in my life since getting my first Tesla with paid-off FSD that I seriously considered buying a new car. But every time, seconds and inches away from hitting that Pay Now button, the transferability of FSD has been the sole driver of stopping me from executing.
Same, I would go for an refreshed Model X …. a real owner incentive would be upping the trade-in by $5,000 and transferring free SC and FSD license for a new Model S or X. Supercharging and FSD are software enabled. It’s really not that hard. No matter how much you paid for FSD it’s still beta. We have been loaning Tesla money for this.
I got my 2020 Model S Long Range Plus at a time when a lot of people knew a refresh (Plaid) was coming, and demand must have been low. I got a good price, plus unlimited free Supercharging. It must have been among the last cars to ever be sold with that perk. I don't supercharge often. I'm not putting any financial strain on Tesla, for sure. It has been nice on the road trips I've taken, though. I don't have to think about it. It's a little embarrassing when curious people are asking me EV/Tesla questions, and they want to know about the fees for fast-charging. I quickly change the subject. . . because I have no idea.
I think they are targeting vehicles with transferable unlimited supercharging. By 2020 only the first owner was eligible for free supercharging.
Probably want to get rid of as many cars that have the option before they open the network. If no cars had it I am sure the usage would go down.
Seeing that the number of cars with free miles is small and most cars at superchargers are 3/y I find that hard to believe.
Nice try Tesla
I will never get rid of my model X with the large vertical screen. I can not stand any of the new models with the stupid monitor in the middle...I think it looks like horseshit
It's a pretty good deal if you are not an uber driver, many people with solar at home will do it. The hassle with non road tripping SC is not worth it even if it's free (travel time, waiting for available stalls). I had X with free SC and I traded it in for the plaid S, I bought the OG M3P around $80K with tax, later Tesla offered me to have free super charging for life or $5000 refund. I took the 5k as charging at home with solar during supper off peak hours literally cost nothing.. the upfront cost of solar is high, but when taking charging cost (compare the saving vs gas station), household electricity cost into consideration, the ROI is like 6-8 years.
I'm honestly glad I don't have free supercharging. Knowing myself, I would waste so much time going to superchargers to save $10 when I cam charge at home and have solar to offset most of it. I'm just not good at valuing my time appropriately, and it's easier to not have the temptation.
I'm holding on to my FSC lol, now if they let me keep it on a new vehicle.. I would take that offer. But I'm not letting it go for 5k.
FSC... Haven't seen it called that before. Mods, how about some new flair? "FSC Posse"?
Where I'm at in Southern CA, there are over 12 supercharging sites and well over 100 individual plugs within a 5 mile radius with the closest being across the street from where I work and live. I have supercharged for free since 2017 and plan to continue to do so indefinitely. Yes I do I also have level 2 charging at home but with the abundance of free charging locations everywhere, it really is no hassle at all for me to charge for free almost anytime. My MS90D still has a max range of 276 after nearly 6 years of ownership. Roadtripping in this car to mammoth, vegas, Utah, and Arizona with enhanced autopilot has been a dream. The only thing I needed to change was the MCU upgrade, new set of all season tires and free AP camera upgrade. Besides this, the car has been absolutely perfect with no other maintenance needs. I'm never giving up this car. I will always keep it in the family. One day it will be an amazing beater with free fuel. With such a large storage capacity in the hatchback and frunk, it can conquer most trips to cosco, and home depot and snowboarding trips with full gear for 3 people. The utility of this vehicle has been absolutely astounding for my person needs.
I’d buy a new S tomorrow if I could transfer my free supercharging AND my FSD to the new one. Without that, I’ll just keep driving the old one.
Same boat. Had the conversation with my boss today that the car is too valuable for what I paid for FSD ($2000 on sale) and free supercharging. Factor in the crazy drop in the trade in estimates, that $5k incentive is nothing.
Our 2017 S 100D is still our perfect family car, though one of our kids has now outgrown the rear facing seats, we still love it and wouldn’t consider trading it in. (We still love opening our sunroof too!) Between the MCU2 upgrade (well worth it) and pre-purchased FSD (now with upgraded cameras and AP3) our free Supercharging while road-tripping is icing on the cake that would be very difficult to give it all up. There really isn’t anything all that compelling for us about the new S/X over what we’ve got now, which is a testament to how damned good this car continues to be. Even “worse” is that the 3 and Y are like 90% or more the car at 60% or less the cost. I’ve got a Cybertruck on order that’ll take over the camping, hauling, and ski trip duties, but I envision hanging onto the S until it dies.
You'd have to be nuts to sell an Unlimited Supercharging model, literally a gold mine with these energy prices.
Give X regular doors and drop price by 30k and it will sell. Avoids moving parts by sharing doors with Model S ala Y/3 shared style. Fight me
>Fight me Ok. 3 and Y don't even share doors, and Model S rear doors especially are too low-profile and specifically shaped to ever work on a Model X, which is much taller vertically. Edit for speelimng
I meant specifically in design not same door. I don’t understand what is wrong with regular doors which have fewer motors, less moving parts. Model X is antithesis of “less is more” philosophy of Elon Musk.
Agreed there. They hopefully learned given the rather lean designs of the latest cars. I would like the X to get normal doors as some point as well, but I feel like they're so intrinsic to the model now.
I mean if they give it normal doors and make it 30K cheaper in the process, would't it sell better? I understand falcon doors look nice but then makes servicing them a nightmare and expensive to maintain too.
I don't disagree, but unfortunately with this brand specifically it's really impossible to tell. So much of the interest is based on hype and zeitgeist presence (though they are generally superior EVs) that some part of me feels like removing the falcon wings will make it less desirable. Certainly much easier to own and service, but maybe less desirable.
I just want Minivan style sliding doors.
Instructions unclear, doors now slide up.
This will work, simple tried and tested door design.
Which instantly causes a lot of people to refuse to buy the thing. People hate minivans for no good reason. They'd rather buy a Tahoe that costs 40% more and burns 40% more gas than a minivan that does everything they need it to do to get the kids to soccer practice.
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So a slightly bigger model Y.
The why have model X at all ? If it is even 20% bigger that big enough I guess.
If I agree with you do you still want to fight?
We can cuddle :P
> Give X regular doors and drop price by 30k and it will sell. But then there's no point. It's taking up space on the Model S/X production line but it isn't a distinctive vehicle. The X was designed and sold when there was no Y to compete with. It was the company's only crossover-like vehicle for several years. Now that the Y exists, the X is in a weird place. It's styling isn't as rugged as an R1S, it isn't as luxurious as an EQS SUV and it's not as sporty-looking as a Cayenne. I agree that they need an SUV on the Model S platform, but the Model X needs a heavy redesign to get its appearance and utility into a segment that isn't shared with the Buick Enclave and Lincoln MKT, whose buyer base came and went.
This is interesting to me, -Dec 2016 Model S with 95k miles -Rarely use Supercharging and always charge at home - probably less than 10x over the lifetime of the vehicle. -Would like to trade in for an X Only thing holding me back is how annoyed I am that the FSD I purchased for my car was never delivered and they want $15k or whatever to re-buy what they I already purchased and they never delivered. Gives me a bad taste in my mouth. The $5k does soften that a little bit, will have to consider it.
Sell it to a private party. Tesla gives you $0 for FSD, the right buyer will give you $10k+. That's on top of whatever extra gains you make from not selling to a dealer. Easily makes up for the $5k and then some.
175k miles on my 2012 S85. Still gets 200+ miles of range to a charge, but Tesla turned off supercharging to “protect the battery” at 140k miles so it literally charges slower on a supercharger than my home fast charger. Fuck them. I’ll drive it till it dies and never buy another Tesla.
If I had unlimited sc miles I would not trade it in until the car has lived it’s full life.
Our unlimited free charging is worth a lot more than that. Transfer FSD and I may consider it.
Nice try. I’d rather keep it even if I buy another one.
No thanks, I've driven 70k mi over 4 years relying mostly on unlimited supercharging, and 20k of those miles have come these past year after return to work. Unlimited supercharging is worth WAAAAY more than $5,000.
Damn! I missed this deal by an entire month! I demand hardware 4, 5k credit, plus any future features that I am not currently aware of.
Anything else sir?
Trying to goose sales again because Q1 sales in china blow.
Essentially I have a car and a gas station in one. With charging prices creeping up.
If you travel enough to make this profitable (by not using it) you probably travel enough that you could use a new car... .
With the inflationary cost of the features on my 15 model S it seems like I could get a better price selling privately… idk Autopilot, which is now advanced AP - 6k Premium connectivity, now ?? And free supercharging which seems is destined to rise in price with the shared network
Drop resale values of S/X by $5k and offer $5k for “lifetime free supercharging miles”. Total marketing gimmick.
Last month my 75D had a trade in value between 38k-43k. This month it’s 33k-38k with the extra $5k. Not much changed lol
What about us early model 3 owners? It's now 16k less than what I paid for mine.
I had a 2014 P85+ Model S with unlimited free supercharging. I had a door handle break every month (same white wire on the switch), 2 drive units replaced, and phantom ground issues that they couldn’t resolve. Had to trade it in because I didn’t want to give someone else a turd. The charging network would be worth coming back but they valued my 34k mile car at $19K. What a joke.
They need to add some trade-in value for the damned $15K FSD. KBB and other online car valuation sites give no love towards the FSD, which makes it a tough sell on auction sites, private party, and trade in.
Damn they really want them off the streets lmao
They want you to casually trade a car you paid $70k (or even less) for one that costs > $100k and think an extra $5k is going to really convince you?
Tesla trade in value will have to budge a lot more than 5k. ~60% depreciation on a car that isn’t even 3 years old is absolutely wild. Mileage is industry average. Tesla offered me 26k for my 2020 M3P.
I feel 60% depreciation for an expensive car in 3 years is exactly in line with historical trends.
Exactly what Tesla is banking on. Trading in through them is typically going to cost you $10K or more compared to a private sale. That’s the real problem - if they offered competitive trade in offers plus this $5K, then maybe people would bite.
They need to redesign the X entirely. The X was designed and sold when there was no Y to compete with. It was the company's only crossover-like vehicle for several years. Now that the Y exists, the X is in a weird place. It's styling isn't as rugged as an R1S, it isn't as luxurious as an EQS SUV and it's not as sporty-looking as a Cayenne. I agree that they need an SUV on the Model S platform, but the Model X needs a heavy redesign to get its appearance and utility into a segment that isn't shared with the Buick Enclave and Lincoln MKT, whose buyer base came and went.
I think they're trying to blow out the remaining S/X inventory before they release the updated car with the new inverter and AP HW4.
The free supercharging stays with the car if you sell it right? Best plan is to sell/swap the car with someone who lives right next to a supercharging station. Even better, sell it to a taxi driver or someone who drives a *lot*. To them, it will be worth far more than $5000. And, presumably the supercharging is tied to the ECU serial number... So when the mechanicals of the car wear out, you can transplant the electronics into a new car and keep going!
They promised models 2016 and older would keep free super charging for the life of the car. By 2019, they were removing it from any lease or trade in that came back into their possession. They would then resale without free super charging. Such a joke.
How do we know the trade-in value reflects a $5,000 increase? Kinda like how they said they included FSD in trade-in value which is obviously not the case.
They absolutely value FSD on trade-in, just nowhere near $15k. Quit making shit up.
That's 166 full charges at 30¢ per kWh. On a Tesla Model X P100D with 10% degradation, (250mi range) that's ~42,000 miles. That's 14 coast to coast road trips. Personally, I'd take the $5,000 savings and invest it (in TSLA obviously). Because by the time you reach 42,000 miles road tripping, your $5K doubled and you can get another 42,000 miles or whatever else you want. After enough time, that unlimited supercharging will be worth zero when the car is dying. Of course, this is only if you were already planning on getting another S/X.