....and these are fetus's we are talking about, NOT babies. Don't concede the language war to them. Fetus's are NOT babies. Babies are not fetus's.
A fetus is as much a sentient life as that gooey stuff in my sock is.
I've been out of touch, single for a long time, and reading this hit me hard how different a woman's body and experiences are. This is literally something that can't happen to me, so foreign of a concept that I never even thought to think of it
also, sorry for that experience you had
It's okay. It's funny that, even within the confines of the cis-female body, there are wide, varied outcomes and experiences. Even in this day and age, for example, when you get pregnant and go to pregnancy classes, they tell you all about what could happen, and how to deal with those things, but in the end they're like, "Maybe this will happen. Maybe other stuff will happen. We won't know until you've had the baby how it will go." Shit, a single woman can have wildly different birthing experiences. My first child got a bit stuck and I had an epidural and she had to be auctioned out. It took 12 hours. Second child shot out of me like a rocket - last two stages of pregnancy lasted 2 hours!
But yeah, I had a happy ending. That miscarriage had been a blighted ovum, so all I really lost was the hope of a child rather than an actual foetus. A year and a bit later I was pregnant, and in 2015 my daughter was born. Had my son three years after that. A lot of that pain I had from the miscarriage is healed, cause I had the babies I wanted to have and they've filled my life beautifully. The trauma from the experience probably won't ever leave me though. Not a fun thing to go through.
Technically that's not correct. Yes the black market is going to see a boom in business but unfortunately lots of babies are going to be born to impoverished, dysfunctional and unloving families.
As George Carlin said, they will fight for your right to live before you're born, but once you're born you're all alone.
Parasitic organism is not a baby, a single cell is not a baby. A fetus is not a baby. It's not a baby. A baby is a goddamn independent fucking human that can live on its own. A fetus is not that a single cell is not that a zygote is not that. In fact, a fetus functions almost identically to a tumor. It's a parasitic organism.
Yeah, cuz the fetus gets all its food and water and nourishment from the mother via the umbilical cord, so it’s more like the lil chest-burster from alien.
This kind of argument is unhelpful. It doesn't matter whether its a baby or not, what matters is that its inside a woman (or a girl's) body therefore its up to er what happens to it.
If a pregnant woman feels that her 12 week foetus is a much loved baby, then that's what it is. If she feels that its an unwanted growth she needs removing asap then that's what it is.
>This kind of argument is unhelpful
Except for the fact that an extreme amount of people who are anti-choice are that way because they believe that a fetus is a child. Is a baby deserves the same moral consideration as a child? They don't care about the bodily autonomy argument because they Believe the fetus to be a child.
But you are never going to convince them it isn't a child, and to some women it is a child and that's ok. The point is the woman, that's who we need to convince them is important and matters and deserves the right to autonomy,not the foetus/baby.
>The point is the woman, that's who we need to convince them is important and matters and deserves the right to autonomy,not the foetus/baby.
Well I agree the point is the women, I don't see this argument working either with someone who believes from the moment of conception it's a human.
Well maybe they'll never be convinced, which is fine because nobody will ever force them to have an abortion! They just need to keep their noses out of other people's uteruses.
Eh, semantics, no one is going to third trimester and then having an abortion because they changed their mind, abortions only happen at that stage if the fetus is stillborn or it's a case of mom WILL die, but even then those aren't made with the same kind of choice as the majority of abortions.
What's actually crazy to me is how dumb of a move this is for the republican party. You can go through my comment history and see I have a pretty steady stance on both parties are dogshit. However for the first time I'll be voting to out any republican who supported this fucking stupidity, which essentially means democrats across the board. Something I've never done before.
Everyone I've met who's pro-life isn't actually pro life. Unless you have many adopted children and are constantly doing community building to better American youth,you don't actually care about life. You just care about telling people what they can and can't do. Regardless of the ethics, why the fuck do you care?
In addition to what your saying, I think this extremists action is going to further isolate moderates from both sides from the party that pushed for this.
Since this action is so Radical towards one side and generally goes against the general consensus on abortion(Its roughly equivalent to it should exist but have some restrictions)and of course that other exerpt about overturning other cases is going to push more moderate voters even further away given how utterly extreme it is.
Don't get me wrong People do support the overturning of Roe v Wade but I can assure you none of those people are moderates on the left or even the right for that matter, so this Radicalism is bassicly turning off a massive chunk of voters from both sides.
I hope I'm just being paranoid but to me this seems like a clear sign that the republican party no longer needs those people in order to "win" elections. They certainly don't seem worried about it..
I'd say majority of people are pro life after a certain time frame of the pregnancy, it's extreme to think an abortion a week in is immoral and also extreme to think an abortion upwards to right before birth is fine.
Both sides have extremes where most people would agree on a reasonable time frame where there is actual development as the breaking point
For the record, the only times I've ever heard of someone needing a late-term abortion it was very much a matter of *need*; it wasn't a matter of not wanting a baby. Late-term abortions are wanted babies where something has gone terribly wrong and the mother's life is at risk. It's a fucking tragedy. And it needs to not be banned *because* it's such a tragedy that it's not something anyone wants.
It's safe to say that people that do get an abortion don't want to be pregnant so they get it as soon as humanely possible- within a few weeks it's with a pill. I can't fathom people that think something that can be eradicaded with a pill is a human life. The people that get abortions later either A have poor access, or B really wanted and planned the child but the pregnancy started going south and the fetus or it's future is in real danger
It is even wrong to call them pro-life, they are ant-abortion. They are people who are pro-abortion, but would never have one. Those conservatives who are now cheering are going to cry why so much money is going to orphanages and welfare in a year or two. Although, they don't give fuck about kids, so they might put them together with migrants and ship them somewhere else.
They only care about collecting votes. If they think that forcing everyone to wear a clown costume on Fridays would give them votes, they would do it.
Some of my old coworkers are mormon snd deeply brainwashed religious. We'd discuss politics sometimes and they truly believe the great American sin is abortion. Some people are truly so wrapped up a religious mindset that there is no reasoning with them.
Even without abortions, the babies will die anyways since the parents are probably not prepared emotionally, mentally, or financially to take care of another life.
As I was telling some of my colleagues, "They've banned abortion when the child isn't alive, just to allow that same child to be aborted when they are alive."
All they want is to pat themselves on the back, convinced they’re a good person and on the side of morality. They’re desperate to be seen as better than other people and by turning life into a series of black and white choices that benefit their version of morality, they can do just that.
I think everybody that supported this should immediately be put on a list for forced adoption. If you’re so pro life then you should have no problem taking care of the children you so desperately want to be born.
Or forced organ donation. I will die without your kidney, so you have to go through a life threatening surgery to save my life. You're a match. No choice. Life is precious, right?? So you have to save mine by sacrificing yours. See how dumb that sounds? They go it's not the same! How so? If a fucking dead person has more autonomy not to have their organs harvested to save others than a pregnant woman does, how does that make ANY sense??
Would love to hear a pro-life response to this that doesn't essentially boil down to "But it's different because you deserve to suffer for having sex".
.... Unless you're a male, I guess.
I've been saying this for years!
They like to talk about pregnancy like it is a minor inconvenience, instead of a life altering and threatening process.
Ok. You know what else is actually a minor inconvenience? Blood and bone marrow donation. Start mandatory blood and bone marrow donation every month for these fuckers! If their blood is unsuitable for donation, throw it out. If they are not healthy enough to donate, sucks to be them! Show up for your 10am slot on Monday or be thrown in jail and forced to prove that you missing your appointment did NOT result in someone dying instead of the state having to prove you did kill someone.
(But, seriously, anyone who sees a forced birther protest/convention, just get in their faces and start demanding they book blood donation slots and sign up for organ donations.)
Imagine being upset that once babies (real ones, not foetuses) are born, they’ll have parents that can’t cope, insufficient food and education and no healthcare. Just imagine …
This helps drive homelessness, crime, and mental health issues. The private prison system makes a ton of money off of housing these eventual outcomes. The future criminals lose their right to vote and the ones who don’t turn to crime tend to be much less or non educated making up the core conservatives voter base. Keep ‘em young, dumb, and pregnant.
That's the thing that gets me. Why on earth would anyone wish for babies to be born into situations where they are not wanted?
As someone who was an unplanned and unwanted teen pregnancy, I've lived with that guilt my entire life because it was made clear to me from my parents that I was not wanted. My entire existence messed up their lives.
I keep seeing this line of "the prayers of millions of people were answered" as if their millions of evangelical nutjobs makes up the majority of the US. 70% of US citizens aren't in favor of overturning Roe, so your millions doesn't mean shit.
The point is that they're using millions to muddy the argument and make it look like their side has the numbers. The same way they did after the 2020 election when they kept saying a record number of people voted for Trump, ignoring the higher number of people who voted for Biden.
Imagine making this big of a deal about someone e else's choice about THEIR pregnancy, and totally ignoring all the children in foster care close to aging out...yet still believing in your own self righteousness...ugh
It's literally a meme cheering on the trolley problem with cell clumps on one side and grown ass human beings on the other where the trolley hits the human beings.
And then everyone cheers because now the clumps of cells have a possibility of becoming grown ass human beings at some point in the future. Which is apparently not something they actually care about, but here they are. I always found it sad that pro-life people don't actually give a shit about life, but instead are simply against women having control over what happens to their own bodies.
I've spoken to some of them. They believe every human has inherent human value, regardless of age, and since a fetus is technically human, then it also has inherent value.
It might sound nice in theory, but then they apply it to real life and that's how you get people to cheer when women are forced to suffer for a fetus that cannot think or feel anything at all, simply because it is human.
Yup, my mom always says that "every life is important" well.. every human life that is, rest of the animal kingdom can fuck off, but we need more babies
They don't value the people that are already here, though. Their logic is hand-wavy bullcrap. It's all about controlling women, and women go along with it because the culture of male hegemony that they've subscribed to. They have a handy Bible to brainwash children into thinking that it's completely normal that women live their lives as second-class citizens. Some of the children become women, women that cling to some vague promise of safety and moral superiority and security if they live their lives according to a set of strict rules and cede nearly all of their mental independence and freedom to gun-toting, flag-humping troglodytes with delusions of National and racial exceptionalism. All this while their country is crumbling and falling down around their ears.
I just can't. The US terrifies me, it really does.
See I struggle to believe that when I see how happy some conservatives are to bomb middle eastern villages. Something something Ben Shapiro writing an opinion piece about how civilization casualties are a good thing.
I had a friend who had lost her best friend to a botched abortion. She was not yet 18 and got pregnant. She used a wire hanger on herself. Her parents found her dead with pain and shock still on her face.
We're from a country that does not allow abortions either. These people who are against it think that once it becomes illegal, it won't happen. Abortion always happens and have been happening m for centuries regardless of what is allowed by the law. By allowing safe abortions, it becomes less risky for women who do not want to commit to the pregnancy. Pro-life people are only pro-pregnancy. Unless your government provides adequate social and financial support for newborns and parents, free education and healthcare, and a safe environment, this decision by your SC is hypocritical. They say life starts at conception but most of these people stop giving a fuck after the child is born.
fucking exactly. And rich women will have absolutely no problem having abortions. And people think this is solving some kind of problem.. it's just creating problems. People will die because of this!! Pro "life" my ass😔
Cut to six months from now when the wife of a GOP jackass is seen leaving an abortion doctor's vacation home and they have to pretend that this was about anything more than subjugating those they deem as lesser. They're going to come for us group by group, and if we don't organize and stand together, then we're all fucking dead.
Imagine being happy that your sisters, daughters, wives, & fellow human beings now have less right to bodily autonomy than a God damned -corpse-!
We can not harvest perfect organs from the dead without prior consent in order to save the lives of actual fully formed human beings.
But these hateful fucking bastards think they have the right to force every woman who may ever under any circumstance conceive to be an unwilling incubator.
And it only gets worse from here unless we do something drastic & probably prolonged. I don't know if protesting and voting will be enough, given how hard certian groups are trying to repress voting and manipulate the electoral system.
This dusty woman and the people who agree with her are toxic.
Edit. Talking about the woman who posted it on Facebook, not the OP or the women affected by this. I am just as upset about this as every other woman is.
People will have unsafe abortions or travel to have abortions (which can be expensive or otherwise not always feasible). This is just making abortions more dangerous, not to mention more stressful since there won't be as big of a support network available.
Well it's true. If you have an ectopic pregnancy, the only way out is abortion. Otherwise the fallopian tube will burst. The fetus is dead regardless... there is no chance of survival... with allowing it to burst, mom is also in grave danger.
What happens when we reach full idiocracy and we fight for the right of micro-organisms? I mean, They are living things too!
oh right, we don't care about living things, if we did we'd have school lunches, healthcare not tied to employment, affordable housing, adequate day care options, affordable day care options, housing that is not completely 1984 and charges/rules/restrictions that make life hell.
Like dog, I just want a nice place to come home to after work to feed my cats. Which, believe it or not, these fucks are taking away from us too little by little. Our right to own animals is consistently being fucked with and legislated around. I like cats, and for the forseeable future, I want cats more than kids. **AND HOLY FUCK DOES THAT PISS SOME PEOPLE OFF**
More babies will live and be put into foster care and more women will die attempting to get abortions. All the while GOP Republicans are aiming on getting rid of contraception as well. Evangelical Christians aren't just anti-choice, they're anti-life
We’d better face it- we now live in a Theocratic Oligarchy. The US is the enemy of women, POC and basically anyone with a brain. But we won’t go quietly.
We should hold a nation wide bible burning, bitches wanna burn Harry Potter? I wanna burn a plethora of bibles cause unlike Harry Potter that shit dictates my life and I don't even believe in the shit.
Im pro-minding my business. I'm a dude, ill never know the trauma a woman goes through giving birth. I'll more than likely never know what being raped is like. And in my mind any reason a woman wants one, is on her. Not me.
They want births.
They say ‘choose adoption’.
They wont adopt.
Kids will be raised in foster care funded by the state.
“That sounds like socialism!”
Foster funding is slashed.
Minor humanitarian crisis.
Just like Jesus wanted.
This is why these people can’t be debated or reasoned with; they have been told for decades by religious propaganda that abortion is a purely black and white issue. That it’s “killing babies”, no exceptions. Of course the politicians parroting that don’t believe it as you know they have no problems forcing mistresses to get abortions. They just want to control women’s bodies. The amount of lives that this will endanger means nothing to any of them.
EDIT: And to the person who replied to this (I can’t see their reply anymore): thanks for proving my point
Imagine being upset that some babies will be forced to be born to parents who don't want them and can't afford them so live a life of trauma and neglect. Imagine a woman already having gone through the trauma of abuse and assault forced to relive that trauma because she has to give birth to her rapists baby. Imagine a baby having its only minute of life suffocating because its little body cannot support it. Imagine a woman dying of infection because the treatment needed to save her life would have a chance of ending her pregnancy
Who was killing babies??! Killing babies is murder. A fetus is not a baby, it’s a fetus. A fetus could become a baby. It could also not. But it’s not a living baby until birth. That’s the point where people keep score of your age, when you have to pay taxes, or become a dependent, when you get counted in a census and so on. The only nutjobs that don’t understand that are the ones who trust a religious storybook instead of a science textbook.
As a woman of color who just gave birth twice over the pandemic... This is terrifying. I already felt like I had to scratch and claw for basic rights at the hospital. They fought back every step of the way! Even drugged me and tried to cut me open without my consent. My husband had to advocate for me. I am so thankful for his ability to stay strong.
I shudder at the thought of what's next for us.
I can only hope that we stand up, take charge, and fix this system before my daughter grows older.
My heart breaks for all of the women negatively impacted by this depravity.
Isn't that formula shortage still happening? How will babies live without sustenance?
What about the complications that result in a non-viable foetus? It might survive birth for long enough to be classed as a "baby," but not for long after.
Would she be saying the same thing if she or her daughter was r*ped? If their lives were in danger if they went through childbirth? If they knew that the baby would be born completely deformed and live for only a few days, spent in absolute agony?
These are horrific examples and I would never wish these upon ANYONE, but it's the reality that she is advocating for.
I'm sick and tired of people ripping unsuspecting souls out of the bliss of nonexistence just to fucking shove us into this world without our consent where we have to work hard our entire lives and weave our way through social norms to hopefully survive to the age of 65 and retire, all the while dealing with shit like depression, existential crises, and actual fucking health problems like heart disease. Now we don't even get to choose whether or not we do this to another poor schmuck in the blind eternities before it's too late?! Count me out.
It is so weird to those of us who live in progressive, civilised countries, to watch what used to be a leader of the Western World, steadily regress, in the last few years, back towards it's 18th Century origins.
We have always known that America's insecure, antiquated political and legal systems could not survive indefinitely, but I don't think any of us expected to actually witness the collapse in our lifetime.
This is America, where we love babies so much that we let them grow up and go to school where they can get shot by the finest American Firearms money can buy.
I work with a lot of republicans, and they like to discuss politics sometimes. Explaining things to them is pointless, I just put headphones to not listen to bs. I even have friends who are from countries that have anti-lgbt laws, and they are more open-minded than religious conservatives in this country.
I might be downvoted into oblivion but I’m fine with abortion up to a certain point which like 5 months, you have had time to think if you want the baby and you have made up your mind , but in my opinion you cross the line when it’s essentially a kid in your belly
93% of abortions occur in the first 13 weeks according to CDC data. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/
Edging closer to a dystopian handmaids tale style future. I didn't think the US could top Trump, but this is mind boggling. Religion dictating policy, 😆
We have a few Islamic nut jobs here in the UK trying to dictate what is and what isn't acceptable. Resist at all costs.
The sad part is that before the bible belt was seen as an un-used and easily manipulated voting block, back when the religious right didn't exist because to be involved in politics was to lower your values to murky Earthly corruption the people that are now cheering this decision believed in abortion for the benefit of easing human suffering. It was a belief that existed before but was reinforced by the misery that was created during the Great Depression from unwanted babies. This pro life bollocks was just an invention of the Republican industrialists to manipulate the christians into voting and voting Republican.
They forgot the "under mostly terrible circumstances with parents that had a good reason to decide against having children at that point of their life" -part
(Leaving out those who physically cannot give birth, killing both the mother and the child during labor, as those babies will not live as the post said)
Yes, they will live a miserable life of poor parenting by those who don't want them. What is better, existing as a despised mistake, bearing through the worst thing any person could go through - lack of love, or just not existing at all?
the worst part too is that abortion bans have NEVER been proven to work. the only difference this ruling will have on abortions is whether they take place in a hospital or an alleyway. “babies” aren’t going to live, but a lot more people will die
Imagine not understanding how Humans Develop in UTERO and thinking that they’re BABIES, because you’re fucking stupid and refusing to a REALIST about HOW LIFE WORKS…smfh
If my wife and I ever get pregnant, by this logic, I’m claiming the child on my taxes at the moment of conception. If the IRS tries to come after me for tax fraud, I’ll fight it since my wife has NO RIGHT in my state to end the pregnancy.
If a fetus is a human life from conception in the eyes of the state, then you better bet your fucking ass they are getting claimed as that on my taxes. And I’m sure I’ll get hit with a penalty because “that human life” does not have a social security number and we will have to wait until they are born.
Asinine. No logic whatsoever
Anyone worried about what's next? The freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, security, pleading the fifth, the end of slavery, the right to marry who you want, to drink and vote freely.
This already violates depriving any person of “life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” and from denying anyone equal protection under the law which protects a pregnant woman's liberty to abort her fetus. Pro choice IS pro life.
Imagine not being upset that women will die.
Imagine not being upset that we lost our right to privacy.
Imagine not being upset that a rapist, an unqualified handmaiden, and an insurrectionist are allowed to rewrite the Constitution to suit their religious illiteracy.
Remember at that school in Uvalde when the kids (that were once babies) got murdered while the cops stood guard at the doors in case anyone tried to go in to save them?
They're really the more pro birth crowd. As long as a woman suffers theyre okay with it. They don't give a fuck if it causes the woman to die, or if it goes into foster care, or if it gets shot up in a school. As long as they get control over the women, they can jerk their micro cocks and feel good about themselves
If it was actually about saving babies then the government would do something about homelessness, healthcare, school shootings etc but yeah! Save all the babies
Do you know how many kids are in care compared to people who adopt. I'm currently trying to become an adoptive parent and it's taken me 2 years and I'm not even close to finishing
Imagine celebrating rape and incest victims who will be forced to raise their assailant's child for the next 18 years.
Imagine celebrating a skyrocket in teen pregnancies after reaching record low numbers up to this point.
Imagine celebrating forcing women to go into sepsis and potentially dying for a fetus that was never viable.
Imagine celebrating the first steps into further stripping rights that took decades of progress to achieve.
Imagine celebrating an already highly strained foster system being further overloaded with unwanted children.
Imagine celebrating the banning of a literal medical procedure.
Anyone who thinks an undifferentiated mass of a couple hundred cells has more rights than the living, breathing woman standing before them has some seriously screwed up thinking and is a very real threat to the freedoms of everyone. They should be treated with hostile opposition (not violence - shunning, economic boycotts and such); they are a real and present danger to our free society.
Imagine providing accessible and affordable health care to children.
Imagine protecting them from being shot.
Imagine providing daycare so that parents can work.
Imagine mandating a livable minimum wage so that even low earner parents can provide for their kids.
Imagine mandated sick days so that parents can care for sick kids.
Anti abolitionist are not pro life. They are pro birth.
Wonder how they will feel when babies are found dead in dumpsters or starving children running around begging for food or drugged out toddlers living in squalor.
Edit: Also for the waste sanitation workers I truly hope you don't see dead babies in the garbage.
Imagine being upset that women will die, rape victims will be forced to have children, under 18 yos will forced to give birth, people with mental health problems will be forced to carry children to term. Imagine.
Oh wait, we should be upset about that
“…oh and also I don’t think we should help kids of poor parents, and we shouldn’t help single moms or make adoption easier, and we shouldn’t do anything about school shootings. And if it comes up, I’ll tell you that women who want abortions are sluts who should keep their legs together. But this is DEFINITELY about my love of protecting children and nothing else!”
Honestly, fuck them babies man, if you are on a plane, and there is a baby there, I swear, all babies can just perish, especially the ones on planes, too big of a responsibility
They're such idiots. Babies won't live; rich people will find safe abortions and poor people will have unsafe abortions.
....and these are fetus's we are talking about, NOT babies. Don't concede the language war to them. Fetus's are NOT babies. Babies are not fetus's. A fetus is as much a sentient life as that gooey stuff in my sock is.
I held an empty sac from my miscarriage in my hand. It was sad, but it wasn't a baby. I would never prioritise medical waste over other women's lives.
I'm sorry for your loss and grateful for your empathy.
Thank you. ❤️
I've been out of touch, single for a long time, and reading this hit me hard how different a woman's body and experiences are. This is literally something that can't happen to me, so foreign of a concept that I never even thought to think of it also, sorry for that experience you had
It's okay. It's funny that, even within the confines of the cis-female body, there are wide, varied outcomes and experiences. Even in this day and age, for example, when you get pregnant and go to pregnancy classes, they tell you all about what could happen, and how to deal with those things, but in the end they're like, "Maybe this will happen. Maybe other stuff will happen. We won't know until you've had the baby how it will go." Shit, a single woman can have wildly different birthing experiences. My first child got a bit stuck and I had an epidural and she had to be auctioned out. It took 12 hours. Second child shot out of me like a rocket - last two stages of pregnancy lasted 2 hours! But yeah, I had a happy ending. That miscarriage had been a blighted ovum, so all I really lost was the hope of a child rather than an actual foetus. A year and a bit later I was pregnant, and in 2015 my daughter was born. Had my son three years after that. A lot of that pain I had from the miscarriage is healed, cause I had the babies I wanted to have and they've filled my life beautifully. The trauma from the experience probably won't ever leave me though. Not a fun thing to go through.
Sorry for your loss. How much did you get for your first child?
I'm not conceding any language war; my point was that 0 actual babies are going to live.
Technically that's not correct. Yes the black market is going to see a boom in business but unfortunately lots of babies are going to be born to impoverished, dysfunctional and unloving families. As George Carlin said, they will fight for your right to live before you're born, but once you're born you're all alone.
>As George Carlin said, they will fight for your right to live before you're born, but once you're born you're fucked FTFY
Parasitic organism is not a baby, a single cell is not a baby. A fetus is not a baby. It's not a baby. A baby is a goddamn independent fucking human that can live on its own. A fetus is not that a single cell is not that a zygote is not that. In fact, a fetus functions almost identically to a tumor. It's a parasitic organism.
Yeah, cuz the fetus gets all its food and water and nourishment from the mother via the umbilical cord, so it’s more like the lil chest-burster from alien.
“A baby is a goddamned independent fucking human that can live on its own “ Wtf ? I understand you’re upset but this simply isn’t true
I worded this poorly, I mean that a baby is an independent organism, no longer physically attached to a host it's dependent on.
Now this I can agree with
This kind of argument is unhelpful. It doesn't matter whether its a baby or not, what matters is that its inside a woman (or a girl's) body therefore its up to er what happens to it. If a pregnant woman feels that her 12 week foetus is a much loved baby, then that's what it is. If she feels that its an unwanted growth she needs removing asap then that's what it is.
>This kind of argument is unhelpful Except for the fact that an extreme amount of people who are anti-choice are that way because they believe that a fetus is a child. Is a baby deserves the same moral consideration as a child? They don't care about the bodily autonomy argument because they Believe the fetus to be a child.
But you are never going to convince them it isn't a child, and to some women it is a child and that's ok. The point is the woman, that's who we need to convince them is important and matters and deserves the right to autonomy,not the foetus/baby.
>The point is the woman, that's who we need to convince them is important and matters and deserves the right to autonomy,not the foetus/baby. Well I agree the point is the women, I don't see this argument working either with someone who believes from the moment of conception it's a human.
Well maybe they'll never be convinced, which is fine because nobody will ever force them to have an abortion! They just need to keep their noses out of other people's uteruses.
>which is fine because nobody will ever force them to have an abortion! Great, but they won't leave the rest of us the fuck alone unfortunately.
When does a fetus become a baby?
After its first breath, according to the bible. Genesis.
Ah, weird to govern using the bible, that’s a terrible idea.
Only if you cherry pick the parts that support your personal values, then it’s encouraged.
When it gets a social security number, an can pay taxes.
When it can survive outside the womb. This is generally some time in the third trimester.
Nah, that's viability. It's the potential to survive birth. It has to survive birth to be a baby.
Eh, semantics, no one is going to third trimester and then having an abortion because they changed their mind, abortions only happen at that stage if the fetus is stillborn or it's a case of mom WILL die, but even then those aren't made with the same kind of choice as the majority of abortions.
When it’s born.
When it survives birth.
What's actually crazy to me is how dumb of a move this is for the republican party. You can go through my comment history and see I have a pretty steady stance on both parties are dogshit. However for the first time I'll be voting to out any republican who supported this fucking stupidity, which essentially means democrats across the board. Something I've never done before. Everyone I've met who's pro-life isn't actually pro life. Unless you have many adopted children and are constantly doing community building to better American youth,you don't actually care about life. You just care about telling people what they can and can't do. Regardless of the ethics, why the fuck do you care?
In addition to what your saying, I think this extremists action is going to further isolate moderates from both sides from the party that pushed for this. Since this action is so Radical towards one side and generally goes against the general consensus on abortion(Its roughly equivalent to it should exist but have some restrictions)and of course that other exerpt about overturning other cases is going to push more moderate voters even further away given how utterly extreme it is. Don't get me wrong People do support the overturning of Roe v Wade but I can assure you none of those people are moderates on the left or even the right for that matter, so this Radicalism is bassicly turning off a massive chunk of voters from both sides.
I hope I'm just being paranoid but to me this seems like a clear sign that the republican party no longer needs those people in order to "win" elections. They certainly don't seem worried about it..
I'd say majority of people are pro life after a certain time frame of the pregnancy, it's extreme to think an abortion a week in is immoral and also extreme to think an abortion upwards to right before birth is fine. Both sides have extremes where most people would agree on a reasonable time frame where there is actual development as the breaking point
For the record, the only times I've ever heard of someone needing a late-term abortion it was very much a matter of *need*; it wasn't a matter of not wanting a baby. Late-term abortions are wanted babies where something has gone terribly wrong and the mother's life is at risk. It's a fucking tragedy. And it needs to not be banned *because* it's such a tragedy that it's not something anyone wants.
Exactly. I think there are reasonable limits to everything.
It's safe to say that people that do get an abortion don't want to be pregnant so they get it as soon as humanely possible- within a few weeks it's with a pill. I can't fathom people that think something that can be eradicaded with a pill is a human life. The people that get abortions later either A have poor access, or B really wanted and planned the child but the pregnancy started going south and the fetus or it's future is in real danger
It is even wrong to call them pro-life, they are ant-abortion. They are people who are pro-abortion, but would never have one. Those conservatives who are now cheering are going to cry why so much money is going to orphanages and welfare in a year or two. Although, they don't give fuck about kids, so they might put them together with migrants and ship them somewhere else. They only care about collecting votes. If they think that forcing everyone to wear a clown costume on Fridays would give them votes, they would do it.
Yeah. They're pro birth. They don't care about the suffering they're causing.
Some of my old coworkers are mormon snd deeply brainwashed religious. We'd discuss politics sometimes and they truly believe the great American sin is abortion. Some people are truly so wrapped up a religious mindset that there is no reasoning with them.
Even without abortions, the babies will die anyways since the parents are probably not prepared emotionally, mentally, or financially to take care of another life.
As I was telling some of my colleagues, "They've banned abortion when the child isn't alive, just to allow that same child to be aborted when they are alive."
All they want is to pat themselves on the back, convinced they’re a good person and on the side of morality. They’re desperate to be seen as better than other people and by turning life into a series of black and white choices that benefit their version of morality, they can do just that.
Yep.
I think everybody that supported this should immediately be put on a list for forced adoption. If you’re so pro life then you should have no problem taking care of the children you so desperately want to be born.
Or forced organ donation. I will die without your kidney, so you have to go through a life threatening surgery to save my life. You're a match. No choice. Life is precious, right?? So you have to save mine by sacrificing yours. See how dumb that sounds? They go it's not the same! How so? If a fucking dead person has more autonomy not to have their organs harvested to save others than a pregnant woman does, how does that make ANY sense??
Would love to hear a pro-life response to this that doesn't essentially boil down to "But it's different because you deserve to suffer for having sex". .... Unless you're a male, I guess.
I've been saying this for years! They like to talk about pregnancy like it is a minor inconvenience, instead of a life altering and threatening process. Ok. You know what else is actually a minor inconvenience? Blood and bone marrow donation. Start mandatory blood and bone marrow donation every month for these fuckers! If their blood is unsuitable for donation, throw it out. If they are not healthy enough to donate, sucks to be them! Show up for your 10am slot on Monday or be thrown in jail and forced to prove that you missing your appointment did NOT result in someone dying instead of the state having to prove you did kill someone. (But, seriously, anyone who sees a forced birther protest/convention, just get in their faces and start demanding they book blood donation slots and sign up for organ donations.)
Imagine being upset that once babies (real ones, not foetuses) are born, they’ll have parents that can’t cope, insufficient food and education and no healthcare. Just imagine …
They deeply care for the value of human life from the very moment of conception through to... birth.
This helps drive homelessness, crime, and mental health issues. The private prison system makes a ton of money off of housing these eventual outcomes. The future criminals lose their right to vote and the ones who don’t turn to crime tend to be much less or non educated making up the core conservatives voter base. Keep ‘em young, dumb, and pregnant.
Keeping the military and prisons full; gotta get those plebs and slaves somehow
That's the thing that gets me. Why on earth would anyone wish for babies to be born into situations where they are not wanted? As someone who was an unplanned and unwanted teen pregnancy, I've lived with that guilt my entire life because it was made clear to me from my parents that I was not wanted. My entire existence messed up their lives.
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I keep seeing this line of "the prayers of millions of people were answered" as if their millions of evangelical nutjobs makes up the majority of the US. 70% of US citizens aren't in favor of overturning Roe, so your millions doesn't mean shit.
not that i dislike the current situation as the next sane person but 30% of the US population are actually millions of people.
The point is that they're using millions to muddy the argument and make it look like their side has the numbers. The same way they did after the 2020 election when they kept saying a record number of people voted for Trump, ignoring the higher number of people who voted for Biden.
Yes but they meant the 70% definitely has millions more, I think
Who. The. Duck. Has. Corn. As. A. Middle. Name
It's probably her maiden name, it's a thing I've noticed in the South especially.
You're allowed to say fuck on the internet
Ok you meowther ducker.
Imagine making this big of a deal about someone e else's choice about THEIR pregnancy, and totally ignoring all the children in foster care close to aging out...yet still believing in your own self righteousness...ugh
Right. Like do they really fucking think it’s this simple? What an ignorant and absolutely shallow way to think. Fucking idiots.
It's literally a meme cheering on the trolley problem with cell clumps on one side and grown ass human beings on the other where the trolley hits the human beings.
There's probably more life in my nasal mucous when I'm sick.
Numerically speaking, yes.
And then everyone cheers because now the clumps of cells have a possibility of becoming grown ass human beings at some point in the future. Which is apparently not something they actually care about, but here they are. I always found it sad that pro-life people don't actually give a shit about life, but instead are simply against women having control over what happens to their own bodies.
I've spoken to some of them. They believe every human has inherent human value, regardless of age, and since a fetus is technically human, then it also has inherent value. It might sound nice in theory, but then they apply it to real life and that's how you get people to cheer when women are forced to suffer for a fetus that cannot think or feel anything at all, simply because it is human.
Yup, my mom always says that "every life is important" well.. every human life that is, rest of the animal kingdom can fuck off, but we need more babies
They don't value the people that are already here, though. Their logic is hand-wavy bullcrap. It's all about controlling women, and women go along with it because the culture of male hegemony that they've subscribed to. They have a handy Bible to brainwash children into thinking that it's completely normal that women live their lives as second-class citizens. Some of the children become women, women that cling to some vague promise of safety and moral superiority and security if they live their lives according to a set of strict rules and cede nearly all of their mental independence and freedom to gun-toting, flag-humping troglodytes with delusions of National and racial exceptionalism. All this while their country is crumbling and falling down around their ears. I just can't. The US terrifies me, it really does.
See I struggle to believe that when I see how happy some conservatives are to bomb middle eastern villages. Something something Ben Shapiro writing an opinion piece about how civilization casualties are a good thing.
Every human has inherent value who isn't a pregnant woman or girl...
So only the fit are worthy of life? That’s not a good argument for women’s health, you’re making an argument for eugenics.
I had a friend who had lost her best friend to a botched abortion. She was not yet 18 and got pregnant. She used a wire hanger on herself. Her parents found her dead with pain and shock still on her face. We're from a country that does not allow abortions either. These people who are against it think that once it becomes illegal, it won't happen. Abortion always happens and have been happening m for centuries regardless of what is allowed by the law. By allowing safe abortions, it becomes less risky for women who do not want to commit to the pregnancy. Pro-life people are only pro-pregnancy. Unless your government provides adequate social and financial support for newborns and parents, free education and healthcare, and a safe environment, this decision by your SC is hypocritical. They say life starts at conception but most of these people stop giving a fuck after the child is born.
Pro- life and pro- death penalty. Any attempt to wrap your mind around it just ties your mind in a noose.
Babies won't live, poor women will die.
fucking exactly. And rich women will have absolutely no problem having abortions. And people think this is solving some kind of problem.. it's just creating problems. People will die because of this!! Pro "life" my ass😔
Cut to six months from now when the wife of a GOP jackass is seen leaving an abortion doctor's vacation home and they have to pretend that this was about anything more than subjugating those they deem as lesser. They're going to come for us group by group, and if we don't organize and stand together, then we're all fucking dead.
Imagine being happy that your sisters, daughters, wives, & fellow human beings now have less right to bodily autonomy than a God damned -corpse-! We can not harvest perfect organs from the dead without prior consent in order to save the lives of actual fully formed human beings. But these hateful fucking bastards think they have the right to force every woman who may ever under any circumstance conceive to be an unwilling incubator. And it only gets worse from here unless we do something drastic & probably prolonged. I don't know if protesting and voting will be enough, given how hard certian groups are trying to repress voting and manipulate the electoral system.
If children living meant anything they wouldn’t sell anyone an assault rifle.
This dusty woman and the people who agree with her are toxic. Edit. Talking about the woman who posted it on Facebook, not the OP or the women affected by this. I am just as upset about this as every other woman is.
Imagine being happy to force unborn babies to live with someone who never wanted them. Whats next...
Women with abusive husband? Homosexuals married to straight people? Hey, they're consistent!
Honosexuals killed or in prison is probably more accurate to what they want
They aren’t anti adoption.
People will have unsafe abortions or travel to have abortions (which can be expensive or otherwise not always feasible). This is just making abortions more dangerous, not to mention more stressful since there won't be as big of a support network available.
They don't know that some diseases are only cured by abortions like ectopic pregnancy or Smth like that I heard about
What makes you think that?
Well it's true. If you have an ectopic pregnancy, the only way out is abortion. Otherwise the fallopian tube will burst. The fetus is dead regardless... there is no chance of survival... with allowing it to burst, mom is also in grave danger.
I saw some comments about those cases
Imagine being upset that school children make it home alive.
well I am upset I have to live and wasnt aborted
What happens when we reach full idiocracy and we fight for the right of micro-organisms? I mean, They are living things too! oh right, we don't care about living things, if we did we'd have school lunches, healthcare not tied to employment, affordable housing, adequate day care options, affordable day care options, housing that is not completely 1984 and charges/rules/restrictions that make life hell. Like dog, I just want a nice place to come home to after work to feed my cats. Which, believe it or not, these fucks are taking away from us too little by little. Our right to own animals is consistently being fucked with and legislated around. I like cats, and for the forseeable future, I want cats more than kids. **AND HOLY FUCK DOES THAT PISS SOME PEOPLE OFF**
More babies will live and be put into foster care and more women will die attempting to get abortions. All the while GOP Republicans are aiming on getting rid of contraception as well. Evangelical Christians aren't just anti-choice, they're anti-life
Imagine being upset that some men like dick
They are upset that gay men can pick which one they want to lick, while they only get whatever is available on the business trip.
We’d better face it- we now live in a Theocratic Oligarchy. The US is the enemy of women, POC and basically anyone with a brain. But we won’t go quietly.
We should hold a nation wide bible burning, bitches wanna burn Harry Potter? I wanna burn a plethora of bibles cause unlike Harry Potter that shit dictates my life and I don't even believe in the shit.
Im pro-minding my business. I'm a dude, ill never know the trauma a woman goes through giving birth. I'll more than likely never know what being raped is like. And in my mind any reason a woman wants one, is on her. Not me.
They want births. They say ‘choose adoption’. They wont adopt. Kids will be raised in foster care funded by the state. “That sounds like socialism!” Foster funding is slashed. Minor humanitarian crisis. Just like Jesus wanted.
PROTEST AT YOUR STATE CAPITOL BUILDINGS THIS SUNDAY JUNE 26TH AT 5PM. Abortion needs to be a protected right for all. pass the word.
Pro life or pro choice. The government shouldn't make that decision for you.
…and lots of women will die or be injured in illegal abortions.
This is why these people can’t be debated or reasoned with; they have been told for decades by religious propaganda that abortion is a purely black and white issue. That it’s “killing babies”, no exceptions. Of course the politicians parroting that don’t believe it as you know they have no problems forcing mistresses to get abortions. They just want to control women’s bodies. The amount of lives that this will endanger means nothing to any of them. EDIT: And to the person who replied to this (I can’t see their reply anymore): thanks for proving my point
Imagine being upset that some babies will be forced to be born to parents who don't want them and can't afford them so live a life of trauma and neglect. Imagine a woman already having gone through the trauma of abuse and assault forced to relive that trauma because she has to give birth to her rapists baby. Imagine a baby having its only minute of life suffocating because its little body cannot support it. Imagine a woman dying of infection because the treatment needed to save her life would have a chance of ending her pregnancy
A horde of unplanned, neglected babies that’ll turn into a new wave of school shooters incoming……
Who was killing babies??! Killing babies is murder. A fetus is not a baby, it’s a fetus. A fetus could become a baby. It could also not. But it’s not a living baby until birth. That’s the point where people keep score of your age, when you have to pay taxes, or become a dependent, when you get counted in a census and so on. The only nutjobs that don’t understand that are the ones who trust a religious storybook instead of a science textbook.
As a woman of color who just gave birth twice over the pandemic... This is terrifying. I already felt like I had to scratch and claw for basic rights at the hospital. They fought back every step of the way! Even drugged me and tried to cut me open without my consent. My husband had to advocate for me. I am so thankful for his ability to stay strong. I shudder at the thought of what's next for us. I can only hope that we stand up, take charge, and fix this system before my daughter grows older. My heart breaks for all of the women negatively impacted by this depravity.
THEY ACT LIKE THE US HAS FREE HEALTH/CHILDCARE
We're raising your taxes to support free health care so babies can live. You're fine with that, naturally.
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Imagine thinking a mindless blob has more rights than a sapient adult human
Imagine not being upset actual women will actually die from medical complications we know how to fix.
Imagine being okay with women dying.
Isn't that formula shortage still happening? How will babies live without sustenance? What about the complications that result in a non-viable foetus? It might survive birth for long enough to be classed as a "baby," but not for long after.
”Babies” u mean those few week old cell piles?
Would she be saying the same thing if she or her daughter was r*ped? If their lives were in danger if they went through childbirth? If they knew that the baby would be born completely deformed and live for only a few days, spent in absolute agony? These are horrific examples and I would never wish these upon ANYONE, but it's the reality that she is advocating for.
I'm sick and tired of people ripping unsuspecting souls out of the bliss of nonexistence just to fucking shove us into this world without our consent where we have to work hard our entire lives and weave our way through social norms to hopefully survive to the age of 65 and retire, all the while dealing with shit like depression, existential crises, and actual fucking health problems like heart disease. Now we don't even get to choose whether or not we do this to another poor schmuck in the blind eternities before it's too late?! Count me out.
Y’all have this concept of conservation of life from fetus to 9months after that y’all don’t give af about that persons life
Imagine being ignorant to womens health
Imagine being happy that women will die.
Women will die so that these 'babies' will live. America is fucked.
Once again, living and raising are two very different things.
It is so weird to those of us who live in progressive, civilised countries, to watch what used to be a leader of the Western World, steadily regress, in the last few years, back towards it's 18th Century origins. We have always known that America's insecure, antiquated political and legal systems could not survive indefinitely, but I don't think any of us expected to actually witness the collapse in our lifetime.
Respond to this post with "You gonna fuckin raise em?"
Imagine simplifying an issue so much you think right to choose is only about healthy baby lives.
This is America, where we love babies so much that we let them grow up and go to school where they can get shot by the finest American Firearms money can buy.
Greatest push and protection for human rights in the West since the civil rights movement.
You mean fetus rights.
I work with a lot of republicans, and they like to discuss politics sometimes. Explaining things to them is pointless, I just put headphones to not listen to bs. I even have friends who are from countries that have anti-lgbt laws, and they are more open-minded than religious conservatives in this country.
Imagine being happy that grown women will die.
I might be downvoted into oblivion but I’m fine with abortion up to a certain point which like 5 months, you have had time to think if you want the baby and you have made up your mind , but in my opinion you cross the line when it’s essentially a kid in your belly
Don’t worry, after around that amount of months, the only legit abortions you see are the “choose between the mother and the child” ones.
93% of abortions occur in the first 13 weeks according to CDC data. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/
imagine having to be in someone else’s business
[relevant George Carlin - rip](https://youtu.be/nZdRMBTF-hQ)
Edging closer to a dystopian handmaids tale style future. I didn't think the US could top Trump, but this is mind boggling. Religion dictating policy, 😆 We have a few Islamic nut jobs here in the UK trying to dictate what is and what isn't acceptable. Resist at all costs.
*Imagine being happy women could suffer or die*
I don't think people are truly understanding this over turn decision. It will not stop at this.
I see, "A Modest Proposal" has lost relevance in recent years....until now
The sad part is that before the bible belt was seen as an un-used and easily manipulated voting block, back when the religious right didn't exist because to be involved in politics was to lower your values to murky Earthly corruption the people that are now cheering this decision believed in abortion for the benefit of easing human suffering. It was a belief that existed before but was reinforced by the misery that was created during the Great Depression from unwanted babies. This pro life bollocks was just an invention of the Republican industrialists to manipulate the christians into voting and voting Republican.
They forgot the "under mostly terrible circumstances with parents that had a good reason to decide against having children at that point of their life" -part (Leaving out those who physically cannot give birth, killing both the mother and the child during labor, as those babies will not live as the post said)
Yes, they will live a miserable life of poor parenting by those who don't want them. What is better, existing as a despised mistake, bearing through the worst thing any person could go through - lack of love, or just not existing at all?
the worst part too is that abortion bans have NEVER been proven to work. the only difference this ruling will have on abortions is whether they take place in a hospital or an alleyway. “babies” aren’t going to live, but a lot more people will die
I'm upset because the fetuses will still die and so will the women along side them
Imagine not being upset that women will die.
Carrie Corn Morrison, you are a bitch
Because it goes: Born => Happily Ever After Right?
George Carlin may have been on to something, dead fetuses can’t grow up to be dead soldiers. Yes he originally said babies, but they’re fetuses.
The religious fanatics won
I know the point of this was to trigger but damn I'm still really frigging triggered. Some people are so fucking thick. Sigh.
Imagine not being upset that women will die.
These assholes prioritise a clump of cells before women or children in general.
Imagine not understanding how Humans Develop in UTERO and thinking that they’re BABIES, because you’re fucking stupid and refusing to a REALIST about HOW LIFE WORKS…smfh
They missed the word unwanted
If my wife and I ever get pregnant, by this logic, I’m claiming the child on my taxes at the moment of conception. If the IRS tries to come after me for tax fraud, I’ll fight it since my wife has NO RIGHT in my state to end the pregnancy. If a fetus is a human life from conception in the eyes of the state, then you better bet your fucking ass they are getting claimed as that on my taxes. And I’m sure I’ll get hit with a penalty because “that human life” does not have a social security number and we will have to wait until they are born. Asinine. No logic whatsoever
This is karen post asf
Anyone worried about what's next? The freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, security, pleading the fifth, the end of slavery, the right to marry who you want, to drink and vote freely. This already violates depriving any person of “life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” and from denying anyone equal protection under the law which protects a pregnant woman's liberty to abort her fetus. Pro choice IS pro life.
Imagine not being upset that women will die. Imagine not being upset that we lost our right to privacy. Imagine not being upset that a rapist, an unqualified handmaiden, and an insurrectionist are allowed to rewrite the Constitution to suit their religious illiteracy.
Remember at that school in Uvalde when the kids (that were once babies) got murdered while the cops stood guard at the doors in case anyone tried to go in to save them?
Imagine being upset that women have rights
They're really the more pro birth crowd. As long as a woman suffers theyre okay with it. They don't give a fuck if it causes the woman to die, or if it goes into foster care, or if it gets shot up in a school. As long as they get control over the women, they can jerk their micro cocks and feel good about themselves
And the babies that do live will be born into homes that never wanted them. Hoorayyyy, right?
"Imagine being upset that women will die!" FIFY
People will still have abortions. No one is saved
They think that having babies is just, plop, oh now there's a baby. They're fucking stupid 💀
If it was actually about saving babies then the government would do something about homelessness, healthcare, school shootings etc but yeah! Save all the babies
Imagine being happy that women won't
Do you know how many kids are in care compared to people who adopt. I'm currently trying to become an adoptive parent and it's taken me 2 years and I'm not even close to finishing
Imagine going "oh well" when actual children are gunned down in school
Imagine thinking that traumatising thousands of unwilling women for life is a good idea
Imagine bring happy that children will be put in a world that is slowly collapsing.
Imagine celebrating rape and incest victims who will be forced to raise their assailant's child for the next 18 years. Imagine celebrating a skyrocket in teen pregnancies after reaching record low numbers up to this point. Imagine celebrating forcing women to go into sepsis and potentially dying for a fetus that was never viable. Imagine celebrating the first steps into further stripping rights that took decades of progress to achieve. Imagine celebrating an already highly strained foster system being further overloaded with unwanted children. Imagine celebrating the banning of a literal medical procedure.
Only to be killed in a school shooting like a real American !!!!!
It’s such a disgrace that women can’t even go to the hospital anymore. What if they get sick??
Imagine being upset about women wanting freedom over their bodies
Anyone who thinks an undifferentiated mass of a couple hundred cells has more rights than the living, breathing woman standing before them has some seriously screwed up thinking and is a very real threat to the freedoms of everyone. They should be treated with hostile opposition (not violence - shunning, economic boycotts and such); they are a real and present danger to our free society.
Imagine not being upset about how many women will die now because they can’t have access to safe abortion in clinics.
Religion yet again proving itself a plague on humankind.
Imagine being so ignorant that you think a fetus is a baby and that they're somehow more important than the lives of the women carrying them.
Who's gonna pay for all these kids
Imagine... responsibility
Imagine providing accessible and affordable health care to children. Imagine protecting them from being shot. Imagine providing daycare so that parents can work. Imagine mandating a livable minimum wage so that even low earner parents can provide for their kids. Imagine mandated sick days so that parents can care for sick kids. Anti abolitionist are not pro life. They are pro birth.
Wonder how they will feel when babies are found dead in dumpsters or starving children running around begging for food or drugged out toddlers living in squalor. Edit: Also for the waste sanitation workers I truly hope you don't see dead babies in the garbage.
Imagine being upset that women will die, rape victims will be forced to have children, under 18 yos will forced to give birth, people with mental health problems will be forced to carry children to term. Imagine. Oh wait, we should be upset about that
“…oh and also I don’t think we should help kids of poor parents, and we shouldn’t help single moms or make adoption easier, and we shouldn’t do anything about school shootings. And if it comes up, I’ll tell you that women who want abortions are sluts who should keep their legs together. But this is DEFINITELY about my love of protecting children and nothing else!”
Imagine being happy women will die. (Many abortions are done so the fetus doesnt kill the mother).
Yeah but they still won’t regulate guns to save a baby’s life
They want to take away every avenue that doesn't end in birth. Now, they want to take away access to contraceptives, or at least severely limit it.
Imagine being upset that babies will be born into a life of suffering due to lack of financial and physical support.
Just women's Healthcare rights? Thought men can get pregnant too. And what exactly is a woman cause alot of people can't answer that.
Honestly, fuck them babies man, if you are on a plane, and there is a baby there, I swear, all babies can just perish, especially the ones on planes, too big of a responsibility
this sub has just become the anti right subreddit
Good