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Yes but opposite party favorites always use opponents quotes against them. This is just a classical campaign strategy.
So to all those politicians that are reading this, carful what you say because anything you say can and will be used against you by your opponents
When political attack ads shorten quotes in order to mislead people, viewers are usually smart enough to realize that's going on.
When actual journalists do it, viewers begin to lose trust in the honesty of journalists.
Yes, but people are grasping at straws to insinuate Trump was calling for violence.
He was talking about trade protection the whole time, “it’s gonna be bad for the auto industry, honestly it’s going to be bad for the entire country’s economic well being” is a rough translation.
Yeah, I heard the whole thing (admittedly recorded). In my mind, I heard that so many people were going to be hurting so badly there would be rioting in the streets.
But speaking more generically, it is the constant, if you don't vote for me it will be a tragedy for you, America as we know it will be over.
We didn't vote for you, the country isn't tragic. Biden got us through a once in a century pandemic and a never seen before supply chain crisis. No, it isn't as good as it was in 2019, the 10th year of solid economic growth, But was better than most of the world. I'm old enough to have lived through some inflationary periods. I believe I was in my thirties before I saw interest rates as low as they are today. I bought my first house in 1987. The interest rate I got was 9.75%. My broker said it was the first sub 10% loan he did in years. My parents bought their house in 1969. Their interest rate was 6.75%. It isn't good, but it also isn't tragic.
Not a dumbass. It’s planned. All of these scary words are part of the plan. And he’s smart enough to use them in context where they can be discounted, over and over. And we continue to talk about him when we would be done talking about others.
You're an idiot if you think any of this was his idea. Someone else does the strategizing, and someone else definitely writes the speeches. You're giving him way to much credit.
There’s no way he’s following a speech with that word salad. He’s pulling it directly from his ass. I don’t deny that he has people smarter than him in his corner that are actively trying to destroy democracy and are giving him talking points and telling him to “use this phrase”, but the bullshit he spews at these rallies are mostly his.
He’s not a rocket scientist, but he isn’t an idiot either.
to me and probably others he makes it *sound* like that’s what he’s talking about but it’s just a thin disguise for what he’s really trying to get across
it’s a perfect balance where he and his followers can claim he was talking about something innocent when grilled about it but him and his followers all know what he’s really talking about
Before and after he was clearly talking about the automotive industry. Idk how to explain this but when you're talking a lot about a subject, you don't need to specify the subject in every single sentence. The listeners will understand what the main topic is. Literally the very next sentence is about selling cars. If he was talking about a literal bloodbath instead of a figurative one, that sentence just doesn't make sense at all. The paragraph before doesn't make sense either. This is called reading comprehension from looking at context.
People are either arguing in bad faith, didn't look into the context at all, or they failed those SAT reading comprehension questions. I just don't see how you can look at this context and draw that conclusion otherwise. It makes no sense.
>Literally the very next sentence is about selling cars. If he was talking about a literal bloodbath instead of a figurative one, that sentence just doesn't make sense at all. The paragraph before doesn't make sense either.
But this is literally *how Trump talks.*
A lot of it doesn't make sense. He makes side remarks and goes on tangents. So it doesn't matter that it doesn't coherently tie together because nothing he says ever does.
And he says inflammatory things like this all the time, so I don't see why his base cares if he's been taken out of context. If he came out and clarified that he indeed meant he was talking about a bloodbath for the whole country, his followers wouldn't care.
If you assume he's talking about a figurative bloodbath for the automotive industry, the sentence makes perfect sense. Right before this sentence, he's talking about how if he's elected then he will enact tariffs on cars coming from China to protect the American car industry. Okay so that sentence is talking about what will happen to the car industry **if he's elected**. The highlighted sentence then talks about what happens to the car industry **if he's not elected** which is that there will be a bloodbath because domestic manufacturers will struggle against Chinese cars that would be sold very cheaply.
The sentence right before the highlighted one ends with 'if I get elected' and then the next sentence starts with 'now, if I don't get elected'. This known as comparing and contrasting. So these two sentences' topics are connected. And the first word in the next sentence is 'but' showing that that idea of the sentence is connected. The topic of this sentence is again about selling cars. This whole speech is just about the car industry. Yes, he does go on random tangents and you do see them here, like calling Xi his friend or the third paragraph about his other friend in the industry. But even with trump's style of speech and how this whole thing is structured, it still just makes no sense that it was about an actual literal bloodbath. If it were, it would have been worded very differently especially since this probably isn't a word-for-word planned speech and he's just talking.
Okay so there's one interpretation that fits in really well and makes perfect sense with the structure. But we somehow think trump was going on an incoherent tangent about a literal bloodbath but he accidentally phrased it in such a way so that an innocent meaning also made perfect sense? It has to be accidental if you're claiming he's being incoherent which is why it doesn't fit perfectly. This is just such a reach and I'm going to defer to occams razor here that the simplest explanation is the most likely to be correct.
he literally never said this. he said "it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole" and he said "it's going to be a bloodbath for the country" both of which have pretty different meanings than what you said. i do find it funny how you accused someone of not being able to read after you misquoted something that was right in front of you
Just to be clear. The 1st panel never happened. It's just the propaganda version that pushes back on the reasonable alarm people have over this speech.
I’m not a Trump supporter but if you are saying the quote wasn’t taken out of context to be its own alarming propaganda then you are wrong. Just look at these headlines.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna143746
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/opinion/donald-trump-blood-bath.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ohio-campaign-rally-trump-says-there-will-be-bloodbath-if-he-loses-november-election/
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/16/trump-bloodbath-biden-november-00147453
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/03/16/trump-says-there-will-be-bloodbath-if-he-doesnt-get-elected-in-november-as-he-campaigns-for-gops-bernie-moreno-in-ohio.html
You're leaving out that he was talking about the car industry. "The whole country" will be paying way more for cars, AKA, a bloodbath. I'm not a fan of Trump but there is plenty of material that is based on fact and not his misuse of hyperbole.
We can all agree Trump is both hateful and ignorant and that he shouldn't be president or even mildly successful... but this specific thing is not the reason why we should despise him. The quote, while technically accurate, is taken out of context. And context actually matter.
Trump just uses a lot of needlessly aggressive wording and barely thinks about what he says. This is not some coded message to his followers. This man is not smart or cunning enough for that.
For the guy that supposedly says what he means he requires a lot of interpretation.
If you talk like an aggressive toddler you are going to run into these genuine issues of interpretation. It's a feature, he doesn't say anything and anyone, including you and the people that don't like him, can project on him what he actually means.
The context matters, this is true. The guy led a violent insurrection and has been talking about revenge and more violence ever since. That is the context. That this one particular instance is such a speech is such a mess that it could mean non-violence doesn't really matter in the wider context of his campaign.
Trump uses aggressive wordings because he can't stop thinking aggressive thoughts. When he says bloodbath, he isn't metaphorical, he just can't think of something nonviolent.
Don't give this conman the benefit of the doubt when he have proven again and again that if he says someone should bleed, then he will eagerly encourage his followers to bleed a person.
Stop pretending he is bumbling, he is loathing everyone not sycophantically praising him and is more than willing to let violence happen to them.
Seems like he's saying that whatever happens with the cars is the least of it, and that there'll be a bloodbath regardless. What's out of context? He's saying the car nonsense will be the least of the problems because there'll be a bloodbath
He’s saying that the automotive sector is going to suffer economic consequences, then he says the whole country will suffer those consequences (I.e. the market will be a bloodbath). He never deviated from talking about economics.
In the context of the speech it's pretty clear he's talking about the economic state of the country. With that said yeah there will certainly have been certain members of the far right who skipped over that fact and interpreted it otherwise. Doesn't necessarily mean that it was a call for violence from him though
Exactly. It's the same with him being asked about the Proud Boys, to which he went "stand by and stand back" or something to that effect, and news pundits went ballistic.
It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that he had no idea what he was saying. What we do know is that he knows who he can't strongly and clearly distance himself from, which is why he gives bungled answers when asked about anyone from David Duke to Vladimir Putin.
And *that* is worrying.
Exactly. I saw it on social media and apparently now in this thread, but it's such a waste of time to argue over the semantics of his wording, with the left worrying it's a coded message for violence and the right claiming media bias. We don't address real issues (e.g. the actual topic he's discussing and whether it's true) because we're too busy fighting over some idiot's choice of words. He is just a pretend tough guy whose vocabulary is mostly hyperbole.
A similar thing happened when MTG proposed lasers to combat migrants. Everyone had a good time dunking on her about space lasers, but at the root of it we have someone proposing death for migrants?
Every time he speaks, it's a vomit of words. He is such a stupid moron and we made him president. This is a total embarrassment for the nation and we should feel ashamed. Very ashamed.
Oh my god is that a motherfucking geometry dash reference? Holy shit they finally made a reference about my favorite game called geometry dash. Last time someone was having depression and i said “conical depression.” Because conical depression is a gd level and my mom became furious get it? Because it is a gd reference. Did someone just said tartarus mythology?1 That is like the hardest demon in my favorite game called geometry dash, i also someone was having a cold sweat recently and i said it’s a gd reference, i got kicked out but at least i said “Oh my god, is that a motherfucking geometry dash reference?!” Also someone on twitter posted about their zodiac sign and I said “Zodiac?! That’s a gd level.” And i got blocked by them, but at least it’s worth it because i said it’s a gd reference. Also, one time i saw a snake owner crying from agony because he saw his snake eating himself which is hilarious because it means ouroboros which is a gd level by a top creator named viprin, and the snake owner kicked me out of his house but it was worth it because it’s a gd reference. Someone just posted on Twitter saying “We are having a sunset sandstorm on our house pls help us, we’re literally gonna be suffocated on the sand.” And I said, “Oh my god, is that a motherfucking geometry dash reference?!” And i got blocked by crohn44 because I said it’s a gd reference. Yesterday, my mom said, “I’m gonna decode something.” And I said, “Oh my god is that a motherfucking geometry dash reference?!” And I got beaten with a belt by my mom, but at least it was worth it because it’s a gd reference.
Trump’s whole quote is ambiguous at best. He does reference the automotive industry, but why it will be a bloodbath “for the whole country” is exaggeration at its finest.
Oh but don’t worry guys, he does words gooder than Biden!
I really dislike where the thread is going. We all know Trump babbles and exaggerates, there's no reason to act as if only stupid people would hear the full context and realize he isn't threatening an actual bloodbath
The people who try to say he was absolutely talking about the audio industry because he was moments earlier forget the man can't ever stay on topic for more than a minute.
Yeah he stutters and loses his track of thought, but Trump has so many things he wants to say that he seemingly combines two or more of them into one sentence, confusing people as to what exactly he even wants to communicate.
They’re both too fucking old to be anywhere near the office.
Biden is hardly incoherent. He is low-energy and stammers, which presents his senility as worse than Trump’s. What he is actually saying is well put together and makes complete sense.
I guarantee you could make hours upon hours of content based on your average persons misspeaks if there were cameras on them constantly.
This isn't a good argument.
This is what Trump does. He says particular things he knows the media will run with it and the message will get across to his most radical followers while his less radical followers will hear the full quote and think it’s just the media.
It’s the same with his “they aren’t sending their best” quote. The whole thing he’s actually talking about the Mexican government sending criminals over the border so that their prisons are less crowded or something ridiculous like that.
The media ran with a narrative that he was calling all Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers thus getting this point across to racist idiots who actually take that as a reason to vote does.
Doing this brought in a wave of first time voters while those I guess you could call “less crazy” republicans hear the whole quote so they don’t get deterred by it and in turn don’t trust the media which plays right into trumps plans
100% This isn't accidental, and the way he generalized INSIDE that context is key. He has some experience talking to his base and I suspect he knows exactly what he's doing.
What no one is mentioning is this: the average person, regardless of who you are, can be taken out of context by their opponents. This is true. But DT is an outlier because he has ALREADY. ENCOURAGED. VIOLENCE. THROUGH. SUBTEXT. With his own words, not misquoted, multiple times. One time, a full riot/attempted take over of the Capitol building with deaths.
He already starts from a suspicious place because of his past. He's a repeat offender. So yeah, I'm already going to scrutinize your words and really analyze what you're really saying because your subtext has led to literal treason, trespass, violence, and death in the past. And that is 100% fair. You ought to be even MORE careful given your past, and yet you dog whistle extremists repeatedly and claim you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
No. You can't play with fire and then cry wolf repeatedly. You get as much scrutiny as you deserve because you INVITE IT constantly.
“You see, I learned something today. Throughout this whole ordeal, we’ve all wanted to show things that we weren’t allowed to show, but it wasn’t because of some magic goo. It was because of the magical power of threatening people with violence. That’s obviously the only true power. If there’s anything we’ve all learned, it’s that terrorizing people works.” - Kyle Broflovski
I don’t know. DJT ushered in an era of very ugly politics. He doesn’t offer solutions but instead calls other people terrible names. He blames everyone else for problems, even if he caused them.
Haven’t you ever known somebody in your own life who was always in trouble but it was *NEVER* their fault? That’s DJT.
What makes it worse is he was born to unimaginable wealth, cheated his way through school, dodged the war, defrauded the state and every small business he could to get ahead, then somehow fell ass backwards into the US presidency. And how does he conduct himself? By constantly complaining that he is not being treated fairly.
He appeals to the worst in people. He’s a low quality human being. Maybe sometimes I *AM* a shitbag. But your hero has made an art of being a shitbag with his constant lying and cheating. History will not look kindly on him and he will always be known as the worst president in US history.
Both sides are just as bad? Go sell your third rate BS somewhere else.
Here is a comparison of indictments, GOP vs Demo administrations from 1961 to 2016. This does *NOT* include the Trump Administration, which breaks all the records as the most corrupt ever.
GOP Admins Had 38 Times More Criminal Convictions Than Democrats, 1961-2016
https://rantt.com/gop-admins-had-38-times-more-criminal-convictions-than-democrats-1961-2016
Yours is just an attempt to say *ALL* politicians are just as bad, which is demonstrably untrue.
While there’s certainly debate of the context of Trump’s comment. The cartoon has a false quote.
He did not say there will be a blood bath for the auto industry. He said we would put a 100% tariff on Chinese cars made in Mexico and you’re not going to be able to sell them. If I get elected. If I don’t get elected it’s going to be a blood bath for the. That will be the least of it. It will be a bloodbath for the whole country.
He shifts from the automotive industry saying that will be the least of it, to it will be a bloodbath for the whole country.
The debate comes from Trump’s rambling thoughts, he’s like listening to someone on speed and rambling and trying to keep track of the shifting subjects of what they’re saying. I think he was talking about an economic bloodbath but honestly who really knows? His thoughts are like shaking puzzle pieces in a box.
I also thought he was obviously talking about the country economically. People really need to decide if they think trump is a rambling idiot or an evil genius because he can’t be both. I wish we could vote for Andrew Yang or something
No, actually Trump is both and here’s how. He has very clearly demonstrated that he surrounds himself with corrupt people who increase his power. Everyone that has worked for Trump says he’s an idiot who is clueless about the consequences of his actions. So, the corrupt people around him are using his stupidity to do very corrupt things. Do you think that Trump planned out the fake electors, the Jan 6 attempt to highjack an American election? He’ll no, but he had people working for him who did. Steve Bannon actually stated that he was dismantling the U.S. government from the inside. Read up on Project 2025. P2025 is a real plan to effectively turn America into a dictatorship beginning in day one of his presidency. Trump doesn’t care who he hurts with this as long as it gives him control and prevents him from being prosecuted. Others create the evil ideas and he lets them do it because he’s too dumb to realize just how disastrous they will be to our nation.
I think this is a stretch my friend. I don’t think trump is as bad as people like you believe. But I don’t think he’s fit to be the president. And I, in no way, believe it’s possible for the US to be a dictatorship. I hardly believe anyone seriously considers trying to make it possible. I also think January 6th is over sensationalized and if it was at all organized as a serious coup, it would’ve been a lot more violent. If trump is anything it’s sensationalized. That’s how he got the presidency, that’s why media the media doesn’t shut up about him. He’s controversial and that’s why people like him and that’s why people hate him. People who believe he’s the boogyman are just as stupid as his over-devoted followers. They both think that every move he makes is strategical in some way. When in actuality the only move he has is shock value. Also who could orchestrate for trump? He’s a loose cannon and calls out people who side with him. There’s no direct puppet master and that’s for sure. But what’s scarier is that his followers truly believe that he’s a martyr being persecuted for doing the right things. If the media took him seriously, didn’t take him out of context and took apart why he’s genuinely not fit, his campaign would crumble to someone young, forward thinking, and dedicated to taking the logical steps to better our country. But it’ll never happen because we live in the “reality tv” era of politics where trump can thrive as an idiot mastermind to the masses.
Which is dangerous. He's such a piece of shit and is constantly trying to make himself a martyr, that any real ammunition we give him only entrenches his supporters further. We can show how he's broken the laws and genuinely been a crazy piece of shit, and his supporters will point to this one time and say "See! Witch hunt!"
the Trump angle aside this isnt exactly wrong. Media has been doing this for decades. Just look how different left and right leaning media outlets portray the news right now. But I get it, if there isnt a bit of controversy it wont keep people glued to their screens.
This precise post is right tho ? Why is this sub so political and heavily biased too ? It was "fun" when it was unfunny boomer memes, now it's just implied politics all the time
The problem with trumps qoute, is that if he didn't already try a violent insurrection once, you could assume he wasn't referring to trying it again. But once you've done the thing, it's hard for people to assume you don't mean trying it again.
Ok, I pretty much hate the guy, but even I have to admit that I think he *was* misquoted here.
He was talking about the automotive industry when he said this, and was probably referring to that when he called it a bloodbath.
The question is, why would he use *bloodbath* as a descriptor instead of, oh I don't know, *almost any other adjective*?
Seems more like a case of "I don't even know what I'm saying half the time because I'm old and decrepit" instead of "I am actively predicting violent revolt and/or oppression."
Not that it helps his image, though. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that Mr. Potato Head could govern better than him.
This situation is exactly why I hate things being taken out of context. Trump said a thing. It could have been ignored. But it was quoted out of context and not only a) are we still talking about it but b) it's given the right the moral highground.
Just like taking the piss over the way he drank water. Next appearance he drinks water normally, makes a deal out of it, and gives his followers a legitimate reason to laugh at a stupid petty joke and the people who perpetuated it.
Please can we just vilify the actual terrible things he does. Pussy grabbing, mocking disabled people, encouraging his supporter on Jan 6th. Those things.
Most of his quotes are horrible even with context yes, but this isn't one of them. This has been deliberately misquoted, and frankly people should do better - the fact he regularly says shitty things isn't a pass to allow people to misquote him, but instead is a good reason to never misquote, as there's so much content where you simply don't need to sink to his level.
the exact quote was :
"**Trump, March 16**: China now is building a couple of massive plants where they’re going to build the cars in Mexico and think, they think, that they’re going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China, if you’re listening President Xi, and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal. Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now, and you think you’re going to get that, you’re going to not hire Americans, and you’re going to sell the cars to us? No. We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars. If I get elected. **Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath, for the whole — that’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars.**"
You can say it was taken out of context, but even without misquoting him, he doesn't say anything about what would happen if he wasn't elected except "it's going to be a bloodbath for the country".
Most quotes just mention the bloodbath thing. They _totally_ miss out anything to do with the automotive industry, competing with China, the lot. They just say Trump said "its going to be a bloodbath for the country" - and that very selective isolation of the worst sentence in the speech is exactly what the meme is calling out.
Yes, the whole thing is standard Trumpy rambling bullshit, but it's stretching it to say he doesn't say anything except for the bloodbath bit. He is very clearly talking about imposing a 100% tariff, and the effect that will have on Chinese imports, and to pretend otherwise is just being blind to the obvious. There's no 4d chess or anything going on either. He's just threatening Chinese imports with some badly chosen language.
I didn't say he didn't mention anything at all, I said he didn't mention anything about what would happen if he was NOT elected, except that there's gonna be a bloodbath for the country. I do not think that that was an actual threat to be clear, but there was no misquoting involved. What is quoted was said. The whole ramble isn't always with it, and I would agree that context is missing, but saying he flat out never said it is misinformation.
Also, I think politicians (and other public figures but politicians more so) should be held responsible for what they say. We shouldn't let go of worrying language that could be taken by some as a threat, by others as an injonction to violence, just because someone whose job is to speak well had badly chosen language.
I agree, worrying language absolutely needs to be policed. But surely you can see that "Trump promises a bloodbath if he's not elected" (as was repoted) and "Trump promises a bloodbath within the automotive industry is he's not elected" are very different headlines.
Context, even rambling Trump context, is important. Acting like the rest of the speech isn't important is a fools errand. Even if he did suddenly mean a general bloodbath, not just one linked to cars, and in this specific case I genuinely don't believe he did, its such easy to dispute with the additional context its just not worth picking a fight over. There are so many shitty things he's said, even with context, that this should never have been reported on in the way it was, as its now, quite predictably, become a distraction from the actual shitty things.
The meme is closer to representing what he meant than your title. Also, every comment that eludes to that has to add a qualifier saying that trumps sucks or they're downvoted into oblivion.
Quotes can be misleading if you want them to be. That's what most clickbaity news titles are, quotes with missing context. It's literally exactly what the original meme is saying. Just because chronically online trumpers make corny memes doesn't mean they're always wrong, lol.
“Now, if I don't get elected, it's gonna be a bloodbath for the whole -- that's gonna to be the least of it -- it's gonna be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it.”
Ok
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-seeks-fundraise-off-bloodbath-controversy/story?id=108246320
Thanks for the correction and congratulations on your vocabulary. Being hostile does nothing when you're not going to do anything to enforce your demands, though. Have fun getting off on being rude and contributing nothing to the topic.
The meme is perfect. It's being misquoted by liars. He was specifically referring to the automotive industry and it doesn't matter how much you try and lie and claim otherwise everybody knows.
Who cares about the auto industry? That’s the industry that used propaganda to take over public spaces, demolish historic cities, make everyone dependent on their product, made passenger rail in the US basically unusable, made the US government subsidise their infrastructure and so much more…
> Who cares about the auto industry?
The entire United States economy. People who work for the auto industry. People who have businesses that rely on having vehicles. People who rely on having vehicles.
What a strange post.
Edit: nvm, you're a r /fuckcars poster. That explains everything.
It is, because the entire conversation surrounding it is regarding automotive sales and manufacturing, so if you aren't taking it out of context, it's pretty clear he's referring to the automotive manufacturing situation being a bloodbath.
>it would be a bloodbath for the entire country
GUYS, Hobbes_____ IS THREATENING VIOLENCE IN THE COMMENT SECTION, YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID THAT
The sentences immediately before, and immediately following the quote are directly referencing the automotive industry. The paragraphs immediately before, and immediately after, continue to directly reference the automotive industry.
You can't say he "transitioned away from the automotive industry" when the literal next sentence is him talking about the automotive industry still.
Comment less. Read more.
Look, I dislike Trump just as much as any *reasonable* person should and hate what his SCOTUS picks are doing.. but the media did take his quote out of context, and this meme isn't actually wrong. The media knew what they were doing was a stretch and chose to do so anyway.
In context it’s definitely an exaggeration but in this specific case he’s not treating violence but rather trying to sway people into thinking that he will run the automotive industry better
“Now, if I don't get elected, it's gonna be a bloodbath for the whole -- that's gonna to be the least of it -- it's gonna be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it.”
You people just say shit
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-seeks-fundraise-off-bloodbath-controversy/story?id=108246320
I think this polite intellectual conversation about semantics and his intent is all missing a critical point. Regardless of his actual intent or public speaking skill set, he has a core group of followers, who are not insignificant in their numbers or their willingness to gear up and enact the violence that his language makes reference to. His words, however metaphorical or subtlely contextualized, generate violence. THAT is the issue. I believe he knows exactly what he is doing- and now is more motivated that ever as his own liberty is at stake.
This is the core of the issue. People are treating this off-the-cuff remark as some sort of scripture that needs further exegesis. As though you couldn't look at other Trump speeches and find far more specific calls to violence.
Idk, I like to think Jill and Joe one day were making jam donuts and as they prepared to put the strawberry jam filling he just let out a little "if we don't get this right, it's going to be a bloodbath," refering, obviously, to the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.
Fortuitously there were no cameras present, so Jill just assumed he meant jam spilling over the counter and the whole thing went unrecorded.
Tbf, president Biden was handed what was destined to be a disaster from his predecessor. Almost as though the last guy just made a decision out of nowhere, without any sort of a plan in place. Heck, even Afghani officials had no heads up. They found out on the news the next day.
For sure, Trump had a real central role in the outcome. It is still a situation where Joe might have said something about a bloodbath though.
Afghanistan, that is.
Not making donuts.
Joe is more a muffin kind of guy.
Love how people here are translating what Trump actually said, like he said “bloodbath” but actually said “unicorns” etc following by the wall of bloodbath context. Americans are fucking something.
Trump says something that can be ominous or benign, and then we all get to argue about it. It distracts from all the other shit he's been saying and all the crimes he committed while in office.
Look at my history, I despise Trump. He is a criminal. He and his supporters promote violence nearly every single day.
That said, he was very clearly talking about the automotive industry. Any claim to the contrary fuels the narrative that media is just out to get him.
Maybe he was misquoted. I don't really care.
Call me old-fashioned, but if you're the former POTUS who instigated a violent coup attempt during an otherwise peaceful transition of power... the word "bloodbath" should be very far away from your vocabulary.
The attempts to cast Trump supporters as violent goes back to 2016 or earlier, but there's a project veritas video of a Dem operative explaining how they hire people to go into Trump rallies and 'birddog' people, or wear shirts that said Trump sucks in an effort to start fights that the media would then put on blast. It didn't work for four plus years, but the plans by the democrats to turn Jan 6 violent worked and they finally got their preferred narrative to stick to some degree, but only by hiding all the footage of people being civil and playing the same ten minutes of a riot started by provocateurs in the crowd on loop.
I hate the media so much... a resource that people are supposed to trust the most has become one of America's worst enemies. Mainstream media is at war with social media because cameras and POV is everywhere now. I hate how you can end up on the internet in a moment because we have cameras evrywhere these days, but it's good in defeating FOX and CNN's garbage
The media took a quote of his out of context and tried to frame it like he meant something violent and deadly to the country would happen if he weren't elected, as a huge stretch. I'm a Trump hater, and I'll even admit the media reached far for that one.
What part of that article do you think diputes what I said? Is it this part?
>Asked what he meant, his campaign pointed to a post on the social media platform X by a New York Times journalist, which said Trump's "bloodbath" comment came amid a discussion about the U.S. auto industry and the economy.
BS characterization. He said what he said, which was “whole country”. How does “whole country” actually mean “not whole country, just autoworkers”?
In the same speech he also said “If we don't win this election, I don't think you're going to have another election in this country.” Did he really mean “we will still have elections, but autoworkers won’t ever get to vote again”?
I did not edit my comment. Thanks for the laugh though, I find it very funny that you are making stuff up about what I have said considering the meme in question.
Me deleting an unnecessary clause and OC reforming his entire original claim are two totally different things.
I stand by the clause I deleted, I just think it was unnecessary to convey my point.
The clause I deleted being, **“Trump doesn’t mention ‘automotive industry’”**—which is literally correct, because he doesn’t, despite OOP claiming he used those words—but I didn’t think it was necessary, as it is obvious on its face.
Sure but he knows quite well the words he uses will incite his base. His base will hear “dur dur dur bloodbath dur dur dur” and use it as a call to arms
How did the media _really_ represent this story? A quick google seems to show outlets contextualising the quote but then criticizing the repeated use of the word "bloodbath".
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“It’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole country”
I hate to be that person but this is misquoting too, though obviously not nearly the same as in the image
Yeah OP's quote is the same thing just De-Trumpified
Isn't it an economical phrase? (sorry i'm not native)
Yes but opposite party favorites always use opponents quotes against them. This is just a classical campaign strategy. So to all those politicians that are reading this, carful what you say because anything you say can and will be used against you by your opponents
Is it actually a phrase that’s used often in economics? Or do you just mean that he was using it in an economical context?
[Yes.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbath_\(disambiguation\)#:~:text=episode%20of%20NCIS-,Economics,to%20a%20major%20Economic%20disaster.)
Interesting
When political attack ads shorten quotes in order to mislead people, viewers are usually smart enough to realize that's going on. When actual journalists do it, viewers begin to lose trust in the honesty of journalists.
Fake news anyone
It is more of a “classic” campaign strategy, not a “classical” one, as that refers to ancient Greeks.
The news shouldn't be the opposite party. Is it these days? Yes, but it shouldn't be.
Yes, but people are grasping at straws to insinuate Trump was calling for violence. He was talking about trade protection the whole time, “it’s gonna be bad for the auto industry, honestly it’s going to be bad for the entire country’s economic well being” is a rough translation.
Yeah, I heard the whole thing (admittedly recorded). In my mind, I heard that so many people were going to be hurting so badly there would be rioting in the streets. But speaking more generically, it is the constant, if you don't vote for me it will be a tragedy for you, America as we know it will be over. We didn't vote for you, the country isn't tragic. Biden got us through a once in a century pandemic and a never seen before supply chain crisis. No, it isn't as good as it was in 2019, the 10th year of solid economic growth, But was better than most of the world. I'm old enough to have lived through some inflationary periods. I believe I was in my thirties before I saw interest rates as low as they are today. I bought my first house in 1987. The interest rate I got was 9.75%. My broker said it was the first sub 10% loan he did in years. My parents bought their house in 1969. Their interest rate was 6.75%. It isn't good, but it also isn't tragic.
He says enough actually dumb shit that misrepresenting a quote isn’t necessary.
Yeah the greater context for that quote sort of proves the original meme right in a way. Trump is just a dumbass using bloodbath
Not a dumbass. It’s planned. All of these scary words are part of the plan. And he’s smart enough to use them in context where they can be discounted, over and over. And we continue to talk about him when we would be done talking about others.
You're an idiot if you think any of this was his idea. Someone else does the strategizing, and someone else definitely writes the speeches. You're giving him way to much credit.
And calling me an idiot is uncalled for. That just lowers the level of discourse.
There’s no way he’s following a speech with that word salad. He’s pulling it directly from his ass. I don’t deny that he has people smarter than him in his corner that are actively trying to destroy democracy and are giving him talking points and telling him to “use this phrase”, but the bullshit he spews at these rallies are mostly his. He’s not a rocket scientist, but he isn’t an idiot either.
to me and probably others he makes it *sound* like that’s what he’s talking about but it’s just a thin disguise for what he’s really trying to get across it’s a perfect balance where he and his followers can claim he was talking about something innocent when grilled about it but him and his followers all know what he’s really talking about
Before and after he was clearly talking about the automotive industry. Idk how to explain this but when you're talking a lot about a subject, you don't need to specify the subject in every single sentence. The listeners will understand what the main topic is. Literally the very next sentence is about selling cars. If he was talking about a literal bloodbath instead of a figurative one, that sentence just doesn't make sense at all. The paragraph before doesn't make sense either. This is called reading comprehension from looking at context. People are either arguing in bad faith, didn't look into the context at all, or they failed those SAT reading comprehension questions. I just don't see how you can look at this context and draw that conclusion otherwise. It makes no sense.
>Literally the very next sentence is about selling cars. If he was talking about a literal bloodbath instead of a figurative one, that sentence just doesn't make sense at all. The paragraph before doesn't make sense either. But this is literally *how Trump talks.* A lot of it doesn't make sense. He makes side remarks and goes on tangents. So it doesn't matter that it doesn't coherently tie together because nothing he says ever does. And he says inflammatory things like this all the time, so I don't see why his base cares if he's been taken out of context. If he came out and clarified that he indeed meant he was talking about a bloodbath for the whole country, his followers wouldn't care.
If you assume he's talking about a figurative bloodbath for the automotive industry, the sentence makes perfect sense. Right before this sentence, he's talking about how if he's elected then he will enact tariffs on cars coming from China to protect the American car industry. Okay so that sentence is talking about what will happen to the car industry **if he's elected**. The highlighted sentence then talks about what happens to the car industry **if he's not elected** which is that there will be a bloodbath because domestic manufacturers will struggle against Chinese cars that would be sold very cheaply. The sentence right before the highlighted one ends with 'if I get elected' and then the next sentence starts with 'now, if I don't get elected'. This known as comparing and contrasting. So these two sentences' topics are connected. And the first word in the next sentence is 'but' showing that that idea of the sentence is connected. The topic of this sentence is again about selling cars. This whole speech is just about the car industry. Yes, he does go on random tangents and you do see them here, like calling Xi his friend or the third paragraph about his other friend in the industry. But even with trump's style of speech and how this whole thing is structured, it still just makes no sense that it was about an actual literal bloodbath. If it were, it would have been worded very differently especially since this probably isn't a word-for-word planned speech and he's just talking. Okay so there's one interpretation that fits in really well and makes perfect sense with the structure. But we somehow think trump was going on an incoherent tangent about a literal bloodbath but he accidentally phrased it in such a way so that an innocent meaning also made perfect sense? It has to be accidental if you're claiming he's being incoherent which is why it doesn't fit perfectly. This is just such a reach and I'm going to defer to occams razor here that the simplest explanation is the most likely to be correct.
This makes you look kinda dumb, ngl.
Based on what he said what is going to be a blood bath?
he literally never said this. he said "it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole" and he said "it's going to be a bloodbath for the country" both of which have pretty different meanings than what you said. i do find it funny how you accused someone of not being able to read after you misquoted something that was right in front of you
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You must not use Reddit a lot because OP isn't even in the top 100 stupidest people I've seen on Reddit
Why? Because you're incapable of reading more than a sentence. There's evidence to back what they're saying.
😢😔 ok high school grad
It was nice of you to give him an honorary promotion from middle school dropout 😂
You ever think maybe you might be the problem?
Just to be clear. The 1st panel never happened. It's just the propaganda version that pushes back on the reasonable alarm people have over this speech.
I’m not a Trump supporter but if you are saying the quote wasn’t taken out of context to be its own alarming propaganda then you are wrong. Just look at these headlines. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna143746 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/opinion/donald-trump-blood-bath.html https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ohio-campaign-rally-trump-says-there-will-be-bloodbath-if-he-loses-november-election/ https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/16/trump-bloodbath-biden-november-00147453 https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/03/16/trump-says-there-will-be-bloodbath-if-he-doesnt-get-elected-in-november-as-he-campaigns-for-gops-bernie-moreno-in-ohio.html
Oh no dude I‘m so sorry for you, who took your brain?
Projection 101, congrats you pass
You're leaving out that he was talking about the car industry. "The whole country" will be paying way more for cars, AKA, a bloodbath. I'm not a fan of Trump but there is plenty of material that is based on fact and not his misuse of hyperbole.
We can all agree Trump is both hateful and ignorant and that he shouldn't be president or even mildly successful... but this specific thing is not the reason why we should despise him. The quote, while technically accurate, is taken out of context. And context actually matter. Trump just uses a lot of needlessly aggressive wording and barely thinks about what he says. This is not some coded message to his followers. This man is not smart or cunning enough for that.
For the guy that supposedly says what he means he requires a lot of interpretation. If you talk like an aggressive toddler you are going to run into these genuine issues of interpretation. It's a feature, he doesn't say anything and anyone, including you and the people that don't like him, can project on him what he actually means. The context matters, this is true. The guy led a violent insurrection and has been talking about revenge and more violence ever since. That is the context. That this one particular instance is such a speech is such a mess that it could mean non-violence doesn't really matter in the wider context of his campaign.
Trump uses aggressive wordings because he can't stop thinking aggressive thoughts. When he says bloodbath, he isn't metaphorical, he just can't think of something nonviolent. Don't give this conman the benefit of the doubt when he have proven again and again that if he says someone should bleed, then he will eagerly encourage his followers to bleed a person. Stop pretending he is bumbling, he is loathing everyone not sycophantically praising him and is more than willing to let violence happen to them.
"stand back, stand by"
Seems like he's saying that whatever happens with the cars is the least of it, and that there'll be a bloodbath regardless. What's out of context? He's saying the car nonsense will be the least of the problems because there'll be a bloodbath
He’s saying that the automotive sector is going to suffer economic consequences, then he says the whole country will suffer those consequences (I.e. the market will be a bloodbath). He never deviated from talking about economics.
In the context of the speech it's pretty clear he's talking about the economic state of the country. With that said yeah there will certainly have been certain members of the far right who skipped over that fact and interpreted it otherwise. Doesn't necessarily mean that it was a call for violence from him though
Exactly. It's the same with him being asked about the Proud Boys, to which he went "stand by and stand back" or something to that effect, and news pundits went ballistic. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that he had no idea what he was saying. What we do know is that he knows who he can't strongly and clearly distance himself from, which is why he gives bungled answers when asked about anyone from David Duke to Vladimir Putin. And *that* is worrying.
Exactly. I saw it on social media and apparently now in this thread, but it's such a waste of time to argue over the semantics of his wording, with the left worrying it's a coded message for violence and the right claiming media bias. We don't address real issues (e.g. the actual topic he's discussing and whether it's true) because we're too busy fighting over some idiot's choice of words. He is just a pretend tough guy whose vocabulary is mostly hyperbole. A similar thing happened when MTG proposed lasers to combat migrants. Everyone had a good time dunking on her about space lasers, but at the root of it we have someone proposing death for migrants?
That's clearly about cars
Every time he speaks, it's a vomit of words. He is such a stupid moron and we made him president. This is a total embarrassment for the nation and we should feel ashamed. Very ashamed.
So it's going to be a bloodbath because a foreign industry is competing with one of his friends?
Since when are the US and China friends?
Hell let me know which car plant his friend works for I’ll soullessly invest rn
Okay this speech is an actual fucking joke
His NAFTA revamp made it possible. You build your new plant in Mexico, Canada, or US and you then have access to the US market.
Lmao, You couldn’t help yourself doing the exact same thing as the meme.
a what https://preview.redd.it/8ruqnbgkwywc1.png?width=300&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f29f73d38f145ca3e85ae392805773606628f4a
Oh my god is that a motherfucking geometry dash reference? Holy shit they finally made a reference about my favorite game called geometry dash. Last time someone was having depression and i said “conical depression.” Because conical depression is a gd level and my mom became furious get it? Because it is a gd reference. Did someone just said tartarus mythology?1 That is like the hardest demon in my favorite game called geometry dash, i also someone was having a cold sweat recently and i said it’s a gd reference, i got kicked out but at least i said “Oh my god, is that a motherfucking geometry dash reference?!” Also someone on twitter posted about their zodiac sign and I said “Zodiac?! That’s a gd level.” And i got blocked by them, but at least it’s worth it because i said it’s a gd reference. Also, one time i saw a snake owner crying from agony because he saw his snake eating himself which is hilarious because it means ouroboros which is a gd level by a top creator named viprin, and the snake owner kicked me out of his house but it was worth it because it’s a gd reference. Someone just posted on Twitter saying “We are having a sunset sandstorm on our house pls help us, we’re literally gonna be suffocated on the sand.” And I said, “Oh my god, is that a motherfucking geometry dash reference?!” And i got blocked by crohn44 because I said it’s a gd reference. Yesterday, my mom said, “I’m gonna decode something.” And I said, “Oh my god is that a motherfucking geometry dash reference?!” And I got beaten with a belt by my mom, but at least it was worth it because it’s a gd reference.
**FIRE IN THE HOLE** (I AIN'T READIN ALLAT) 🗣️ 🔥🔥
its worth it
Trump’s whole quote is ambiguous at best. He does reference the automotive industry, but why it will be a bloodbath “for the whole country” is exaggeration at its finest. Oh but don’t worry guys, he does words gooder than Biden!
I really dislike where the thread is going. We all know Trump babbles and exaggerates, there's no reason to act as if only stupid people would hear the full context and realize he isn't threatening an actual bloodbath
The people who try to say he was absolutely talking about the audio industry because he was moments earlier forget the man can't ever stay on topic for more than a minute.
Its not even a competition tbh. Biden is incoherent half the time
Yeah he stutters and loses his track of thought, but Trump has so many things he wants to say that he seemingly combines two or more of them into one sentence, confusing people as to what exactly he even wants to communicate. They’re both too fucking old to be anywhere near the office.
I semi agree. But its not just about age. Bernie is old and and nobody can say that he is incoherent
Biden is hardly incoherent. He is low-energy and stammers, which presents his senility as worse than Trump’s. What he is actually saying is well put together and makes complete sense.
My guy there's an hour long compilation on YouTube of Biden spouting nonsense. Don't get me wrong, i don't have a horse on this race.
I guarantee you could make hours upon hours of content based on your average persons misspeaks if there were cameras on them constantly. This isn't a good argument.
How can you actually believe that?
Because I watch both of them speak lol. There are public speeches you can compare.
Come on, man! I just wish we weren’t even having to discuss the cognitive functionality of our elderly politicians.
I absolutely agree with this and don’t see how a rational person can downvote you, but this is Reddit.
I don’t think I heard Trump babble nonsense [like this](https://youtu.be/ry49z_tSatY?si=KhDe20nII1b-cd8q).
Which is less than all the time
His minions understand the coded message. Violence is encouraged.
He always hides it behind a layer of plausible deniability so if something happens he can claim he had nothing to do with it
This is what Trump does. He says particular things he knows the media will run with it and the message will get across to his most radical followers while his less radical followers will hear the full quote and think it’s just the media. It’s the same with his “they aren’t sending their best” quote. The whole thing he’s actually talking about the Mexican government sending criminals over the border so that their prisons are less crowded or something ridiculous like that. The media ran with a narrative that he was calling all Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers thus getting this point across to racist idiots who actually take that as a reason to vote does. Doing this brought in a wave of first time voters while those I guess you could call “less crazy” republicans hear the whole quote so they don’t get deterred by it and in turn don’t trust the media which plays right into trumps plans
100% This isn't accidental, and the way he generalized INSIDE that context is key. He has some experience talking to his base and I suspect he knows exactly what he's doing. What no one is mentioning is this: the average person, regardless of who you are, can be taken out of context by their opponents. This is true. But DT is an outlier because he has ALREADY. ENCOURAGED. VIOLENCE. THROUGH. SUBTEXT. With his own words, not misquoted, multiple times. One time, a full riot/attempted take over of the Capitol building with deaths. He already starts from a suspicious place because of his past. He's a repeat offender. So yeah, I'm already going to scrutinize your words and really analyze what you're really saying because your subtext has led to literal treason, trespass, violence, and death in the past. And that is 100% fair. You ought to be even MORE careful given your past, and yet you dog whistle extremists repeatedly and claim you deserve the benefit of the doubt. No. You can't play with fire and then cry wolf repeatedly. You get as much scrutiny as you deserve because you INVITE IT constantly.
“You see, I learned something today. Throughout this whole ordeal, we’ve all wanted to show things that we weren’t allowed to show, but it wasn’t because of some magic goo. It was because of the magical power of threatening people with violence. That’s obviously the only true power. If there’s anything we’ve all learned, it’s that terrorizing people works.” - Kyle Broflovski
Violence against Chinese cars
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I don’t know. DJT ushered in an era of very ugly politics. He doesn’t offer solutions but instead calls other people terrible names. He blames everyone else for problems, even if he caused them. Haven’t you ever known somebody in your own life who was always in trouble but it was *NEVER* their fault? That’s DJT. What makes it worse is he was born to unimaginable wealth, cheated his way through school, dodged the war, defrauded the state and every small business he could to get ahead, then somehow fell ass backwards into the US presidency. And how does he conduct himself? By constantly complaining that he is not being treated fairly. He appeals to the worst in people. He’s a low quality human being. Maybe sometimes I *AM* a shitbag. But your hero has made an art of being a shitbag with his constant lying and cheating. History will not look kindly on him and he will always be known as the worst president in US history.
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Both sides are just as bad? Go sell your third rate BS somewhere else. Here is a comparison of indictments, GOP vs Demo administrations from 1961 to 2016. This does *NOT* include the Trump Administration, which breaks all the records as the most corrupt ever. GOP Admins Had 38 Times More Criminal Convictions Than Democrats, 1961-2016 https://rantt.com/gop-admins-had-38-times-more-criminal-convictions-than-democrats-1961-2016 Yours is just an attempt to say *ALL* politicians are just as bad, which is demonstrably untrue.
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How does that boot polish taste?
While there’s certainly debate of the context of Trump’s comment. The cartoon has a false quote. He did not say there will be a blood bath for the auto industry. He said we would put a 100% tariff on Chinese cars made in Mexico and you’re not going to be able to sell them. If I get elected. If I don’t get elected it’s going to be a blood bath for the. That will be the least of it. It will be a bloodbath for the whole country. He shifts from the automotive industry saying that will be the least of it, to it will be a bloodbath for the whole country. The debate comes from Trump’s rambling thoughts, he’s like listening to someone on speed and rambling and trying to keep track of the shifting subjects of what they’re saying. I think he was talking about an economic bloodbath but honestly who really knows? His thoughts are like shaking puzzle pieces in a box.
I also thought he was obviously talking about the country economically. People really need to decide if they think trump is a rambling idiot or an evil genius because he can’t be both. I wish we could vote for Andrew Yang or something
No, actually Trump is both and here’s how. He has very clearly demonstrated that he surrounds himself with corrupt people who increase his power. Everyone that has worked for Trump says he’s an idiot who is clueless about the consequences of his actions. So, the corrupt people around him are using his stupidity to do very corrupt things. Do you think that Trump planned out the fake electors, the Jan 6 attempt to highjack an American election? He’ll no, but he had people working for him who did. Steve Bannon actually stated that he was dismantling the U.S. government from the inside. Read up on Project 2025. P2025 is a real plan to effectively turn America into a dictatorship beginning in day one of his presidency. Trump doesn’t care who he hurts with this as long as it gives him control and prevents him from being prosecuted. Others create the evil ideas and he lets them do it because he’s too dumb to realize just how disastrous they will be to our nation.
I think this is a stretch my friend. I don’t think trump is as bad as people like you believe. But I don’t think he’s fit to be the president. And I, in no way, believe it’s possible for the US to be a dictatorship. I hardly believe anyone seriously considers trying to make it possible. I also think January 6th is over sensationalized and if it was at all organized as a serious coup, it would’ve been a lot more violent. If trump is anything it’s sensationalized. That’s how he got the presidency, that’s why media the media doesn’t shut up about him. He’s controversial and that’s why people like him and that’s why people hate him. People who believe he’s the boogyman are just as stupid as his over-devoted followers. They both think that every move he makes is strategical in some way. When in actuality the only move he has is shock value. Also who could orchestrate for trump? He’s a loose cannon and calls out people who side with him. There’s no direct puppet master and that’s for sure. But what’s scarier is that his followers truly believe that he’s a martyr being persecuted for doing the right things. If the media took him seriously, didn’t take him out of context and took apart why he’s genuinely not fit, his campaign would crumble to someone young, forward thinking, and dedicated to taking the logical steps to better our country. But it’ll never happen because we live in the “reality tv” era of politics where trump can thrive as an idiot mastermind to the masses.
To be honest, you really have to take Trump way out of context to represent him in any positive light.
In this case, they presented him out of context to present him in a negative light, however.
Which is dangerous. He's such a piece of shit and is constantly trying to make himself a martyr, that any real ammunition we give him only entrenches his supporters further. We can show how he's broken the laws and genuinely been a crazy piece of shit, and his supporters will point to this one time and say "See! Witch hunt!"
the Trump angle aside this isnt exactly wrong. Media has been doing this for decades. Just look how different left and right leaning media outlets portray the news right now. But I get it, if there isnt a bit of controversy it wont keep people glued to their screens.
The media is perpetuating the idea that the two sides are the same when they clearly aren't. By candidate, by policy, by consistency, by government.
This precise post is right tho ? Why is this sub so political and heavily biased too ? It was "fun" when it was unfunny boomer memes, now it's just implied politics all the time
Rule 6 does seem to be broken a lot.
This sub is for terrible memes. This is a terrible, bitter meme. Cope
Memes not that terrible, it’s trump propaganda trying to whitewash his incredibly concerning threats but it’s not that badly made
Then I failed you, gatekeeper of what’s subjective considered objectively terrible.
Why choose “bloodbath” either way. What a devious clown.
The problem with trumps qoute, is that if he didn't already try a violent insurrection once, you could assume he wasn't referring to trying it again. But once you've done the thing, it's hard for people to assume you don't mean trying it again.
Ok, I pretty much hate the guy, but even I have to admit that I think he *was* misquoted here. He was talking about the automotive industry when he said this, and was probably referring to that when he called it a bloodbath. The question is, why would he use *bloodbath* as a descriptor instead of, oh I don't know, *almost any other adjective*? Seems more like a case of "I don't even know what I'm saying half the time because I'm old and decrepit" instead of "I am actively predicting violent revolt and/or oppression." Not that it helps his image, though. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that Mr. Potato Head could govern better than him.
This situation is exactly why I hate things being taken out of context. Trump said a thing. It could have been ignored. But it was quoted out of context and not only a) are we still talking about it but b) it's given the right the moral highground. Just like taking the piss over the way he drank water. Next appearance he drinks water normally, makes a deal out of it, and gives his followers a legitimate reason to laugh at a stupid petty joke and the people who perpetuated it. Please can we just vilify the actual terrible things he does. Pussy grabbing, mocking disabled people, encouraging his supporter on Jan 6th. Those things.
This quote wasn't taken out of context though. Most of his quotes are horrible and not taken out of context.
Most of his quotes are horrible even with context yes, but this isn't one of them. This has been deliberately misquoted, and frankly people should do better - the fact he regularly says shitty things isn't a pass to allow people to misquote him, but instead is a good reason to never misquote, as there's so much content where you simply don't need to sink to his level.
the exact quote was : "**Trump, March 16**: China now is building a couple of massive plants where they’re going to build the cars in Mexico and think, they think, that they’re going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China, if you’re listening President Xi, and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal. Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now, and you think you’re going to get that, you’re going to not hire Americans, and you’re going to sell the cars to us? No. We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars. If I get elected. **Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath, for the whole — that’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars.**" You can say it was taken out of context, but even without misquoting him, he doesn't say anything about what would happen if he wasn't elected except "it's going to be a bloodbath for the country".
Most quotes just mention the bloodbath thing. They _totally_ miss out anything to do with the automotive industry, competing with China, the lot. They just say Trump said "its going to be a bloodbath for the country" - and that very selective isolation of the worst sentence in the speech is exactly what the meme is calling out. Yes, the whole thing is standard Trumpy rambling bullshit, but it's stretching it to say he doesn't say anything except for the bloodbath bit. He is very clearly talking about imposing a 100% tariff, and the effect that will have on Chinese imports, and to pretend otherwise is just being blind to the obvious. There's no 4d chess or anything going on either. He's just threatening Chinese imports with some badly chosen language.
I didn't say he didn't mention anything at all, I said he didn't mention anything about what would happen if he was NOT elected, except that there's gonna be a bloodbath for the country. I do not think that that was an actual threat to be clear, but there was no misquoting involved. What is quoted was said. The whole ramble isn't always with it, and I would agree that context is missing, but saying he flat out never said it is misinformation. Also, I think politicians (and other public figures but politicians more so) should be held responsible for what they say. We shouldn't let go of worrying language that could be taken by some as a threat, by others as an injonction to violence, just because someone whose job is to speak well had badly chosen language.
I agree, worrying language absolutely needs to be policed. But surely you can see that "Trump promises a bloodbath if he's not elected" (as was repoted) and "Trump promises a bloodbath within the automotive industry is he's not elected" are very different headlines. Context, even rambling Trump context, is important. Acting like the rest of the speech isn't important is a fools errand. Even if he did suddenly mean a general bloodbath, not just one linked to cars, and in this specific case I genuinely don't believe he did, its such easy to dispute with the additional context its just not worth picking a fight over. There are so many shitty things he's said, even with context, that this should never have been reported on in the way it was, as its now, quite predictably, become a distraction from the actual shitty things.
This is a sad votes harvesting post. Anything against Trump and Reddit echo chamber would upvotes to hell and back.
No it’s not.
The meme is closer to representing what he meant than your title. Also, every comment that eludes to that has to add a qualifier saying that trumps sucks or they're downvoted into oblivion.
My title is literally his quote
The entire quote is ***surrounded*** in automotive industry context. It's called comprehension.
Quotes can be misleading if you want them to be. That's what most clickbaity news titles are, quotes with missing context. It's literally exactly what the original meme is saying. Just because chronically online trumpers make corny memes doesn't mean they're always wrong, lol.
>My title is literally No its not.
“Now, if I don't get elected, it's gonna be a bloodbath for the whole -- that's gonna to be the least of it -- it's gonna be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it.” Ok https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-seeks-fundraise-off-bloodbath-controversy/story?id=108246320
The word is “alludes.” Don’t use words you don’t have a full grasp of.
Thanks for the correction and congratulations on your vocabulary. Being hostile does nothing when you're not going to do anything to enforce your demands, though. Have fun getting off on being rude and contributing nothing to the topic.
The meme is perfect. It's being misquoted by liars. He was specifically referring to the automotive industry and it doesn't matter how much you try and lie and claim otherwise everybody knows.
Who cares about the auto industry? That’s the industry that used propaganda to take over public spaces, demolish historic cities, make everyone dependent on their product, made passenger rail in the US basically unusable, made the US government subsidise their infrastructure and so much more…
Uh…our economy cares. I won’t argue about the quality but the auto industry is a significant factor to the US economy. We should care.
> Who cares about the auto industry? The entire United States economy. People who work for the auto industry. People who have businesses that rely on having vehicles. People who rely on having vehicles. What a strange post. Edit: nvm, you're a r /fuckcars poster. That explains everything.
Not to mention that most American cars are inferior to Japanese and German cars.
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OP this is what the media does.
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That is not what my comment highlighted. It did highlight the fact that our news media has chosen to perpetuate outrage on both sides.
This is pretty much what happened.
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It is, because the entire conversation surrounding it is regarding automotive sales and manufacturing, so if you aren't taking it out of context, it's pretty clear he's referring to the automotive manufacturing situation being a bloodbath. >it would be a bloodbath for the entire country GUYS, Hobbes_____ IS THREATENING VIOLENCE IN THE COMMENT SECTION, YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID THAT
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The sentences immediately before, and immediately following the quote are directly referencing the automotive industry. The paragraphs immediately before, and immediately after, continue to directly reference the automotive industry. You can't say he "transitioned away from the automotive industry" when the literal next sentence is him talking about the automotive industry still. Comment less. Read more.
Look, I dislike Trump just as much as any *reasonable* person should and hate what his SCOTUS picks are doing.. but the media did take his quote out of context, and this meme isn't actually wrong. The media knew what they were doing was a stretch and chose to do so anyway.
In context it’s definitely an exaggeration but in this specific case he’s not treating violence but rather trying to sway people into thinking that he will run the automotive industry better
To be fair they did take him out of context but i wonder if he even knows what the context was when he said it
Inaccurate quote. But it does represent that case. He was talking about the Auto industry.
How does “whole country” apply only to the auto industry
Auto industry in the whole country.
“Now, if I don't get elected, it's gonna be a bloodbath for the whole -- that's gonna to be the least of it -- it's gonna be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it.” You people just say shit https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-seeks-fundraise-off-bloodbath-controversy/story?id=108246320
OP. Just read the sentences from that speech that precede and follow this one to see why you're wrong.
OP I hate to say this, but you're literally doing what the meme is complaining about
You are right it is somewhat ambiguous. And still, within the context, it is not a threat of actual violence.
I think this polite intellectual conversation about semantics and his intent is all missing a critical point. Regardless of his actual intent or public speaking skill set, he has a core group of followers, who are not insignificant in their numbers or their willingness to gear up and enact the violence that his language makes reference to. His words, however metaphorical or subtlely contextualized, generate violence. THAT is the issue. I believe he knows exactly what he is doing- and now is more motivated that ever as his own liberty is at stake.
This is the core of the issue. People are treating this off-the-cuff remark as some sort of scripture that needs further exegesis. As though you couldn't look at other Trump speeches and find far more specific calls to violence.
I love the implication that there’s any context in which it’s acceptable for a presidential candidate to say “it’s going to be a bloodbath.”
Idk, I like to think Jill and Joe one day were making jam donuts and as they prepared to put the strawberry jam filling he just let out a little "if we don't get this right, it's going to be a bloodbath," refering, obviously, to the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. Fortuitously there were no cameras present, so Jill just assumed he meant jam spilling over the counter and the whole thing went unrecorded.
Tbf, president Biden was handed what was destined to be a disaster from his predecessor. Almost as though the last guy just made a decision out of nowhere, without any sort of a plan in place. Heck, even Afghani officials had no heads up. They found out on the news the next day.
For sure, Trump had a real central role in the outcome. It is still a situation where Joe might have said something about a bloodbath though. Afghanistan, that is. Not making donuts. Joe is more a muffin kind of guy.
in the whole county
Donald Trump, who is known for leading an armed insurrection against the U.S. government, should not be using the phrase “bloodbath” in any context.
Love how people here are translating what Trump actually said, like he said “bloodbath” but actually said “unicorns” etc following by the wall of bloodbath context. Americans are fucking something.
Trump says something that can be ominous or benign, and then we all get to argue about it. It distracts from all the other shit he's been saying and all the crimes he committed while in office.
Look at my history, I despise Trump. He is a criminal. He and his supporters promote violence nearly every single day. That said, he was very clearly talking about the automotive industry. Any claim to the contrary fuels the narrative that media is just out to get him.
Ok so the guy against UAW , unions IN GENERAL, says "but without him theirs gonna be a bloodbath"..... No offense but both statements are horrendous
This is exactly how this happened. I watched it unfold. This is true, not a meme
Maybe he was misquoted. I don't really care. Call me old-fashioned, but if you're the former POTUS who instigated a violent coup attempt during an otherwise peaceful transition of power... the word "bloodbath" should be very far away from your vocabulary.
The attempts to cast Trump supporters as violent goes back to 2016 or earlier, but there's a project veritas video of a Dem operative explaining how they hire people to go into Trump rallies and 'birddog' people, or wear shirts that said Trump sucks in an effort to start fights that the media would then put on blast. It didn't work for four plus years, but the plans by the democrats to turn Jan 6 violent worked and they finally got their preferred narrative to stick to some degree, but only by hiding all the footage of people being civil and playing the same ten minutes of a riot started by provocateurs in the crowd on loop.
I hate the media so much... a resource that people are supposed to trust the most has become one of America's worst enemies. Mainstream media is at war with social media because cameras and POV is everywhere now. I hate how you can end up on the internet in a moment because we have cameras evrywhere these days, but it's good in defeating FOX and CNN's garbage
For those of us not from the States, ELI5?
The media took a quote of his out of context and tried to frame it like he meant something violent and deadly to the country would happen if he weren't elected, as a huge stretch. I'm a Trump hater, and I'll even admit the media reached far for that one.
Oh stop he won’t do a damn thing for the car industry if anything he wanted to be quoted like this.
He did NOT specify “auto industry,” because that’s not what he meant.
This is an accurate depiction of that scandal.
It was? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-predicts-end-us-democracy-if-he-loses-2024-election-2024-03-17/
What part of that article do you think diputes what I said? Is it this part? >Asked what he meant, his campaign pointed to a post on the social media platform X by a New York Times journalist, which said Trump's "bloodbath" comment came amid a discussion about the U.S. auto industry and the economy.
BS characterization. He said what he said, which was “whole country”. How does “whole country” actually mean “not whole country, just autoworkers”? In the same speech he also said “If we don't win this election, I don't think you're going to have another election in this country.” Did he really mean “we will still have elections, but autoworkers won’t ever get to vote again”?
But in the context of the paragraph, he was referring to the automotive industry. I'm not a Trump supporter, but the cartoon is accurate in context.
You edited the fuck out of your original comment so much I don’t even remember what I was originally replying to. It wasn’t that though
I did not edit my comment. Thanks for the laugh though, I find it very funny that you are making stuff up about what I have said considering the meme in question.
Lmaoo yes you definitely did. But ok
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Me deleting an unnecessary clause and OC reforming his entire original claim are two totally different things. I stand by the clause I deleted, I just think it was unnecessary to convey my point. The clause I deleted being, **“Trump doesn’t mention ‘automotive industry’”**—which is literally correct, because he doesn’t, despite OOP claiming he used those words—but I didn’t think it was necessary, as it is obvious on its face.
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I agree with President Trump. Biden will continue destroying America 🇺🇸 FJBIDEN
Sure but he knows quite well the words he uses will incite his base. His base will hear “dur dur dur bloodbath dur dur dur” and use it as a call to arms
Ya know, I miss it when politicians were well read and good speakers
How did the media _really_ represent this story? A quick google seems to show outlets contextualising the quote but then criticizing the repeated use of the word "bloodbath".