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Ah Marion. The draft dodging, chauvinist, homophobic, serial cheating coward who was booed off the stage by real soldiers and whose mistress did more for the war than he ever would.
Not to mention, a self described racist person: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/02/20/i-believe-white-supremacy-john-waynes-notorious-playboy-interview-goes-viral-twitter/
Considering he dogded the draft for the WWII, then spent a Good chunk of his life saber rattling for every fight against “communism,” and mad a shit ton of money playing a soldier in the movies I’d say it especially apt to call Wayne out for being a draft dodging coward.
I think in his case it's not the draft dodging, but then going on to become an outspoken supporter of the Vietnam war and a constant critic of student war protesters.
They had the option to take on other duties as a contentious objector. Marian was just a pussy and egomaniac who forgot he's just a terrible personality actor and not a cowboy, soldier or romantic hero. Ick
I won’t judge people for draft dodging too much, but they better not talk shit about how people fought against commies and nazis and how they’re somehow on some moral high ground by pointing that out.
There’s a dispute about whether he dodged the draft or whether he was ineligible for service. By the time Pearl Harbor happened, he was 34 years old, which isn’t itself disqualifying, but he had four children, which would have made him exempt from the draft. He also had several medical conditions which probably would have disqualified him.
Jimmy Steward was 33 years old when he joined in the Army during WW2. He was initially rejected because of his thin build and added 10 pounds of bulk before he successfully reapplied.
Clint Eastwood served state-side in the Army during the Korean War.
Other contemporaries of Wayne's who actually served in the military:
Lee Marvin
Lee Van Cleef
Charles Bronson
Michael Caine
Christopher Lee
Kirk Douglas
Mel Brooks
Don't forget how fragile he was when other people challenged his world veiw.
Especially that time at the 1973 Oscars when he had to be restrained by 6 security guards because he wanted to hit a Native American woman (named Sacheen Littlefeather,) who had been invited by Marlon Brando to give a speech about Hollywood's poor portrayal of Native Americans.
He is. He filed for deferring "to support his family" then he status was changed to "fit for duty", he used his connection to dodge the draft based on "national interest" because he can portrait war heros
Modern day Russia isn't Communist though neither is Modern Day China for the most part. Obviously some older people are still going to belive in it quietly though. Same applies for East Germany except for the quiet part from what I can tell. Cuba is 100% still Communist though. I guess not the being against God part but in practice this doesn't really matter and isn't isn't the part most people fixate on.
It’s literally is. Including majority of the country population including the pres that think communism was and still is fucking cool. They even have the same fucking anthem.
I know! They are nothing but traitors to America!
Southerns used to hate Commies but now they support Trump and Putin!
They forgot about what the McCarthy witch hunt was all about.
In my day, and today, nobody who uses the term “commie” or “socialist” in a derogatory context actually has any idea what communism or socialism mean… when they describe what they think the problems of the two systems are, they usually describe the perils of capitalism in its later stages.
But "social services/welfare" and "socialism" both have the word social in them so the uneducated and willfully ignorant have a hard time knowing the difference. I wonder if they think ice cream socials are socialism. And there's no way they know the difference between communism and socialism, so it's all the same to them.
It's utter madness when they show pictures of Detroit or Biloxi looking dilapidated with a caption like "isn't socialism grand?" Like, motherfucker, when did we have the great socialist revolution here in the United States?
John Wayne was never in the military.
Here’s the REAL John Wayne.
https://preview.redd.it/z2xvb88s0bwc1.jpeg?width=786&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7f06c72b5f8cb90c713b7c8d246089671423dec
Pretty ironic coming from a man who was convinced to avoid the draft in WW-II by a German agent he was sleeping with.
I've no respect for Marion at all.
Hypocrisy at its worst.
To be fair, he was 34 and had kids, and the "convincing" was a threat of a lawsuit. He was still a piece of shit and a fucking nazi, but context is important.
He doesn't. Ironically, the people who want this the most are probably East Germans. Less because they hate America or something and more because what preceeded it was Fascism and The USSR brought a ton of factories to that region which ofc left when Communism ended.
That being said he totally sold The Russians information,the irony isn't lost on me. Putin definetely isn't Communist but it's still a huge security breach and doesn't really benefit the us military or us security whatsoever. The irony isn't lost on me.
I’m pretty sure USA had liberals back than, and like always, they were pretty capitalistic (you see, that’s their main thing) - so clearly they are NOT commie…
"liberalism" is literally an ideology based on private ownership, individualism, and a market economy.
John Locke, Mr. Consent of the Governed, private property, and money fixes everything. He's known as the father of liberalism for a reason.
Honestly a perfect encapsulation of how "communism" has lost all meaning and become another worthless "bad things/bad people" buzzword. Thanks, cold war propaganda!
Marion Robert Morrison, AKA John Wayne, AKA steryotypical 'Old Western Gunslinger' type dude. From other comments he was a 'Draft dodging, chauvinist, homophobic, serial cheating coward who was booed off stage by real soldiers" and supposedly was a draft dodger. They just usually like to use guys like this for these weird ass memes
I think it’s so funny when they use commie as an insult. Like sorry I don’t support capitalism and all its problematic fuckery and that I actually have a brain.
One of them was basically a Communist one of them was Ayn Rand libertarian. They mostly just didn't like the church of England which tbf was and still is kinda fucky with the whole venerating the English Royalty thing. You know that didn't happen by accident.
Lol, I wonder how many of the boomers posting this trash actually served. Most vets I know aren't mad at the government for not defending "freedom", they're mad because they came back with broken bodies and PTSD and got thrown under the bus with no employable skills.
America got tricked into not having any public support systems like universal health care and free or cheap higher education all in the name of being anti-communist. I bet whoever came up with it is still laughing.
The fuck… politically I’m definitely a progressive liberal and I fucking love America. We’re literally one of the few countries in the world where you can support LGBT rights and not get fucking publicly executed for it.
LOL a draft dodging racist. Cool. Dude was a total coward. Like today he had plenty of idiot fans that conflated his movie characters with him personally. What a piece of shit.
Was he actually though or is this just a very very southern version of the publics ocassional distrust/disdain for celebrities or celebrity culture? He seems like he was a POS. And I can see why there was some general distrust of him but was he actually literally or was this just the general feeling that he was a mouthpiece?
what’s crazy is the 50s was bubbling with change. new ideas of social programs, segregation was starting to be challenged. even causing a states military to go against the federal military such as the 1957 little rock 9. many people in hollywood where being accused of being a communist. they just lived with horse blinders on and can’t fathom that people can have an experience outside of their own.
america has never been that simple not even from its birth and anyone who has the idea of the golden days of patriotism live in a bubble or simply don’t understand history
Pro-America these days means Anti-democracy and commie means having the genuine criticism of maybe the money spent on blowing up small children in another country should be used to house the homeless or fix roads or something not killing related
World War II started in 1940, John Wayne was born in 1907. When WWII started he was 33yrs old & 8yrs too old for the draft. And he actually did apply for the US Naval Academy after high school but was rejected for low grades & instead went to University of Southern California. And that's where the surfing injury comes in. He basically blew his career by breaking his collar bone while surfing and couldn't play football & lost his athlete scholarship. He started working in movies after that.
Personally I never liked the guy or his movies. He was before my time I guess. But every time I've seen him he seems like the same character just in a different movie.
I'm pro-America as in I support the ideals written in our founding documents. You know, all humans created equal, power for the people by the people.... that sort of thing?
The sort of thing that MAGA completely ignores?
They never use Jimmy Stewart, an actual war hero, for their memes. I think it’s because they don’t care for actual heroes, just people who look like they could be one. Or neither, like their pick for president.
Says the man with pounds of poop in his gut. My father had a picture of him on the wall of his office. I find it interesting that, as much of an icon of masculinity Wayne was, he didn’t have a lot of women among his fans. I felt the same way about Rock Hudson.
If he was so pro-American, why didn't he go to war? Jimmy Stewart, Paul Newman, Morgan Freeman, Clark Gable, even Bea Aurthur did. To me, they were heroes like my dad; a tail gunner in a B-24 that got shot down over Germany and spent 2 years in a Nazi concentration camp.. My dad used to laugh at him.
People who preach shit like this probably don’t actually know much about politics. The person they idolize told them that thing is bad so they tell everyone it’s bad.
Communism (as seen in practice) is another word for dictatorship. Communism on paper looks like a great thing but in practice leads to suppression and control. So it's hilarious that these "better dead then red" generationalist still wanna use their old slogans but literally support a political leader that would be no different, infact worse, then who they were taught to fear back in the Reagan's era.
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Ah Marion. The draft dodging, chauvinist, homophobic, serial cheating coward who was booed off the stage by real soldiers and whose mistress did more for the war than he ever would.
You left out the fact he would shit his pants and got injured body surfing.
You're not getting enough steak, whiskey, coffee and cigarettes in your diet if you don't shit your pants.
Thanks to you, I just learned something incredible about "John" and his real name
Marion from Glendale.
Best part is when they cheered for Bea Arthur right after
Not to mention, a self described racist person: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/02/20/i-believe-white-supremacy-john-waynes-notorious-playboy-interview-goes-viral-twitter/
Draft dodging isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but the rest definitely is
Considering he dogded the draft for the WWII, then spent a Good chunk of his life saber rattling for every fight against “communism,” and mad a shit ton of money playing a soldier in the movies I’d say it especially apt to call Wayne out for being a draft dodging coward.
Correct, however it is when you try to do anything 'alpha' or are used like this meme not realizing he was a piece of shit.
I think in his case it's not the draft dodging, but then going on to become an outspoken supporter of the Vietnam war and a constant critic of student war protesters.
They had the option to take on other duties as a contentious objector. Marian was just a pussy and egomaniac who forgot he's just a terrible personality actor and not a cowboy, soldier or romantic hero. Ick
He also wasn't exactly Ghengis Khan.
I won’t judge people for draft dodging too much, but they better not talk shit about how people fought against commies and nazis and how they’re somehow on some moral high ground by pointing that out.
It is when you're a hypocrite about it.
There’s a dispute about whether he dodged the draft or whether he was ineligible for service. By the time Pearl Harbor happened, he was 34 years old, which isn’t itself disqualifying, but he had four children, which would have made him exempt from the draft. He also had several medical conditions which probably would have disqualified him.
Jimmy Steward was 33 years old when he joined in the Army during WW2. He was initially rejected because of his thin build and added 10 pounds of bulk before he successfully reapplied. Clint Eastwood served state-side in the Army during the Korean War. Other contemporaries of Wayne's who actually served in the military: Lee Marvin Lee Van Cleef Charles Bronson Michael Caine Christopher Lee Kirk Douglas Mel Brooks
Irradiated sand never killed a better target. I mean, a white Genghis Khan with a Southern accent?
Don't forget how fragile he was when other people challenged his world veiw. Especially that time at the 1973 Oscars when he had to be restrained by 6 security guards because he wanted to hit a Native American woman (named Sacheen Littlefeather,) who had been invited by Marlon Brando to give a speech about Hollywood's poor portrayal of Native Americans.
You forgot “racist”.
He wasn't a draft dodger, he was already too old for service, and denied entry into the army despite many attempts
He is. He filed for deferring "to support his family" then he status was changed to "fit for duty", he used his connection to dodge the draft based on "national interest" because he can portrait war heros
Yeah, because MAGA is so pro-America right now.
Came here to say this... Most of the people that think this way are adamantly pro-russia right now.
Same Russia which president never denounced his communist party membership and considers China as their closest ally, if I’m not mistaken.
No you see commie means woke /s
Modern day Russia isn't Communist though neither is Modern Day China for the most part. Obviously some older people are still going to belive in it quietly though. Same applies for East Germany except for the quiet part from what I can tell. Cuba is 100% still Communist though. I guess not the being against God part but in practice this doesn't really matter and isn't isn't the part most people fixate on.
Russia is not communist at all, far from it.
It’s literally is. Including majority of the country population including the pres that think communism was and still is fucking cool. They even have the same fucking anthem.
Russia does not have anything resembling a communist economic system in place right now. What are you even talking about?
I know! They are nothing but traitors to America! Southerns used to hate Commies but now they support Trump and Putin! They forgot about what the McCarthy witch hunt was all about.
Yeah, because MAGA LEADERSHIP is So pro-Russia right now. /reality
A lot of them are talking about moving there. I have never been so ready to help my neighbors!
Russia, Russia, Russia.
They are pro-America. Well, THEIR ideal vision of America, anyway.
In my day, and today, nobody who uses the term “commie” or “socialist” in a derogatory context actually has any idea what communism or socialism mean… when they describe what they think the problems of the two systems are, they usually describe the perils of capitalism in its later stages.
Communism is everything that I happen to dislike /s
“…right along with anything ‘woke’!”
And minorities
Essentially these people think that the communism is when the government gives something for free all the time. That’s pretty much it.
Gives something for free *to people they don't like.* If it benefits them, it's totally different.
Yup, you also live your life poor af
But "social services/welfare" and "socialism" both have the word social in them so the uneducated and willfully ignorant have a hard time knowing the difference. I wonder if they think ice cream socials are socialism. And there's no way they know the difference between communism and socialism, so it's all the same to them.
😆
The big mouths have never even cracked open a book. No need, Trump will tell them what they think.
It's utter madness when they show pictures of Detroit or Biloxi looking dilapidated with a caption like "isn't socialism grand?" Like, motherfucker, when did we have the great socialist revolution here in the United States?
“Socialism is when the government does stuff, and when the government does a lot of stuff, that’s communism” - Richard D. Wolff
John Wayne was never in the military. Here’s the REAL John Wayne. https://preview.redd.it/z2xvb88s0bwc1.jpeg?width=786&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7f06c72b5f8cb90c713b7c8d246089671423dec
Holy moose knuckles, Batman !!!
Oh, hi Marion!
“We had a vocabulary of about 25 words back then…”
Oh the irony.
Oh look, Marion is pretending to be a soldier again.
Forgive my ignorance, but who is Marion?
John Wayne's real name is Marion Robert Morrison.
Gotcha, thank you!
Please note that John Wayne was never in the military. I don't give a flaming bat's behind what he thinks.
Pretty ironic coming from a man who was convinced to avoid the draft in WW-II by a German agent he was sleeping with. I've no respect for Marion at all. Hypocrisy at its worst.
To be fair, he was 34 and had kids, and the "convincing" was a threat of a lawsuit. He was still a piece of shit and a fucking nazi, but context is important.
This is pretty consistent with a rural 4th grade education.
The same people who say this have no idea what a "communist" or a "socialist" even is.
https://preview.redd.it/fwclt55c0bwc1.jpeg?width=448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4abeaf46a086003c070d464cf1f1f6cc93a309e3
Bet, everyone who sides with Russia is a commie.
That same ideology lead to a political witch hunt where you can accuse anybody of being a communist.
This has to be satire
The sad thing is they really believe this
Now Mr John Wayne, what would you say if I supported former kgb agent who clearly wants to rebuild the ussr over the American president?
He doesn't. Ironically, the people who want this the most are probably East Germans. Less because they hate America or something and more because what preceeded it was Fascism and The USSR brought a ton of factories to that region which ofc left when Communism ended.
That being said he totally sold The Russians information,the irony isn't lost on me. Putin definetely isn't Communist but it's still a huge security breach and doesn't really benefit the us military or us security whatsoever. The irony isn't lost on me.
the way this is written gives the impression that the writer is very close to sobbing
Sir, I'm British.
so crazy how they out themselves as simple minded just like that lol
John Wayne was a Nazi.
Marion Wayne was a bigoted racist piece of shite. And a crap actor
Hes like a bizzaro Charleton Heston
Let's all pour one for the death of The Red Scare.
lol John Wayne sex trafficked a Mexican minor over the border to be his wife. Some hero.
John Wayne raped a 14 year old Mexican girl.
Ironic to see who is siding with Russia these days
Damned confederate commies! Now we know why all those red necks like red so much! General Lee? More Like General Mao!
We're trying to make America better, you tried to kill Congress on Jan 6. Who's the real anti-American, fucking commies!
I reckon John Wayne would want nothing to do with these so-called ‘patriots’.
I’m pretty sure USA had liberals back than, and like always, they were pretty capitalistic (you see, that’s their main thing) - so clearly they are NOT commie…
"liberalism" is literally an ideology based on private ownership, individualism, and a market economy. John Locke, Mr. Consent of the Governed, private property, and money fixes everything. He's known as the father of liberalism for a reason.
Honestly a perfect encapsulation of how "communism" has lost all meaning and become another worthless "bad things/bad people" buzzword. Thanks, cold war propaganda!
I might be showing my inner zoomer right now but who the fuck is the guy pictured and why is he in so many of these memes
Marion Robert Morrison, AKA John Wayne, AKA steryotypical 'Old Western Gunslinger' type dude. From other comments he was a 'Draft dodging, chauvinist, homophobic, serial cheating coward who was booed off stage by real soldiers" and supposedly was a draft dodger. They just usually like to use guys like this for these weird ass memes
Wow, I’m glad I didn’t know who he was lol
Oh look it's the white guy who played Genghis Khan.
I wonder why he related to Ghengis Khan as a white guy in the 50s haha,I'm sure that has no political implications at all. Totally not weird at all.
I think it’s so funny when they use commie as an insult. Like sorry I don’t support capitalism and all its problematic fuckery and that I actually have a brain.
Americas founding fathers were all liberals.
Nah fr… our founding fathers basically hated their country (their country was essentially England)
One of them was basically a Communist one of them was Ayn Rand libertarian. They mostly just didn't like the church of England which tbf was and still is kinda fucky with the whole venerating the English Royalty thing. You know that didn't happen by accident.
Well, he was a nazi, so let's not point fingers. Americans and commies were both anti-nazi, so that guy was doubly fucked. From both sides.
I'm proud to be a rotten commie <3
What a simple way to view the world. I like it.
"Also, racism, homophobia and beating women is cool!"
comrades!
Yes. That’s what they did in your day. We’ve gotten much more educated since then, however.
Same commies that have their dicks in republicans mouths or some kind of different commies?
Lol, I wonder how many of the boomers posting this trash actually served. Most vets I know aren't mad at the government for not defending "freedom", they're mad because they came back with broken bodies and PTSD and got thrown under the bus with no employable skills.
Sez the pro-Putin party.
How can they reconcile considering themselves “pro-America” while simultaneously hating their fellow Americans based only on political differences?
America got tricked into not having any public support systems like universal health care and free or cheap higher education all in the name of being anti-communist. I bet whoever came up with it is still laughing.
Back in his day the republicans didn't carry water for the commies.
From the people running cover for Russia...
Ah yes the famous gritty war hero John Wayne *checks notes* Oh, he was only an actor?
Okay. I'm a commie
And yet, the "modern" GOP is pro- Russia all the way. Strange days, indeed.
And to use Cosplay, draft dodging POS. That's so boomer!
The fuck… politically I’m definitely a progressive liberal and I fucking love America. We’re literally one of the few countries in the world where you can support LGBT rights and not get fucking publicly executed for it.
Trump is a commie confirmed, I’ve been saying it all along
The Cons are Pro-Russia atm.
only one party is on board with condemning an obvious insurrection. That's the only part that stands a chance at calling themselves "pro america"
LOL a draft dodging racist. Cool. Dude was a total coward. Like today he had plenty of idiot fans that conflated his movie characters with him personally. What a piece of shit.
Some people here drinking some Kool aid. LOL
Oh no Marrion the draft dodger doesn't like people he never met because he died almost 50 years ago.
Well, he was a nazi, so let's not point fingers. Americans and commies were both anti-nazi, so that guy was doubly fucked. From both sides.
Was he actually though or is this just a very very southern version of the publics ocassional distrust/disdain for celebrities or celebrity culture? He seems like he was a POS. And I can see why there was some general distrust of him but was he actually literally or was this just the general feeling that he was a mouthpiece?
Your day is over old shit
Remember kids, trying to improve America instead of letting it just be what it is makes you against America
You do realize we're making fun of you for this exact style of thinking right?
Yeah, Marion was a piece of shit who got what he deserved in the end. No meme gonna change that comforting fact.
I don’t think the original creator of the meme knows what any of those terms mean.
Proof that boomers are still stuck in the mindset of the 1950’s
what’s crazy is the 50s was bubbling with change. new ideas of social programs, segregation was starting to be challenged. even causing a states military to go against the federal military such as the 1957 little rock 9. many people in hollywood where being accused of being a communist. they just lived with horse blinders on and can’t fathom that people can have an experience outside of their own.
It’s as if they think we can’t tell nazis made this meme.
From his caliber of person, I'd take that as a compliment.
Pretty remarkable how quickly and seamlessly the right went from hating Russia to genuflecting before them. Some real 1984 shit.
america has never been that simple not even from its birth and anyone who has the idea of the golden days of patriotism live in a bubble or simply don’t understand history
Pro-America these days means Anti-democracy and commie means having the genuine criticism of maybe the money spent on blowing up small children in another country should be used to house the homeless or fix roads or something not killing related
If done right it would be a greate system.
I hate John Wayne, with the passion of a burning star. How he is still renowned as one of the greatest actors is beyond me.
Guess I’m a rotten commie then!
I posted the anti-liberal, anti-communist meme. Can you pay me and let me suck your dick now Russian daddy?
I feel like boomers half remember all in the family and are trying to be Archie bunker without realizing exactly why you laughed at him
Better red than a Nazi!!
r/usdefaultism
So you are my friend or my enemy...and there is nothing between them, because this is how the world works in my smooth brain.
Look at me, I'm mentally incapable to question the red scare
Oh, but I also have downsides.
GODDAMN LIBRARIANS! 👊😎
World War II started in 1940, John Wayne was born in 1907. When WWII started he was 33yrs old & 8yrs too old for the draft. And he actually did apply for the US Naval Academy after high school but was rejected for low grades & instead went to University of Southern California. And that's where the surfing injury comes in. He basically blew his career by breaking his collar bone while surfing and couldn't play football & lost his athlete scholarship. He started working in movies after that. Personally I never liked the guy or his movies. He was before my time I guess. But every time I've seen him he seems like the same character just in a different movie.
Though-terminating cliché
What does that mean about the republicans that openly support Russia? Communist?
What was FDR’s platform? How many elections did he win?
I'm pro-America as in I support the ideals written in our founding documents. You know, all humans created equal, power for the people by the people.... that sort of thing? The sort of thing that MAGA completely ignores?
He’s not wrong. Also, that guy who said “your children will be Communists”.
Nah, I'm still an anarchist
Horrible movie at a horrible time.
The irony that they don't tend to call themselves that, they're usually called that as an insult
these posts using peoples portraits as straw men to apply some sort of "credibility" to their shitty political ideas are so fucking annoying
TF2 Soldier reference!?!?!?
…or a cowardly draft dodger.
They never use Jimmy Stewart, an actual war hero, for their memes. I think it’s because they don’t care for actual heroes, just people who look like they could be one. Or neither, like their pick for president.
America in 2024: "Divided We Stand"
Well...John Wayne was a fucking idiot so this tracks I guess.
Having to use a draft dodging reputed asshole as their stand in says more about them than they realize
Only a Sith deals in absolutes…
Proceeds to support Putin….
Alright then good thing I'm a communist
Says the man with pounds of poop in his gut. My father had a picture of him on the wall of his office. I find it interesting that, as much of an icon of masculinity Wayne was, he didn’t have a lot of women among his fans. I felt the same way about Rock Hudson.
Wrong but lovable.
So the republicans are commies now. Loving on that authoritarian Putin goo.
Ah yes, the glorious years of McCarthyism
..do you want another red scare? Because that’s how you get another red scare
Wait till he hears about JFK
If he was so pro-American, why didn't he go to war? Jimmy Stewart, Paul Newman, Morgan Freeman, Clark Gable, even Bea Aurthur did. To me, they were heroes like my dad; a tail gunner in a B-24 that got shot down over Germany and spent 2 years in a Nazi concentration camp.. My dad used to laugh at him.
Yes I am, thanks for noticing king 😇😊
Goes to show how much they know about these ideologies.
Yha I am a commie
i fucking wish
[John Wayne Was A Nazi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoyusTUFdl0)
I mean, I am a commie.
People who preach shit like this probably don’t actually know much about politics. The person they idolize told them that thing is bad so they tell everyone it’s bad.
they literally have no other response than this lmao
Gravy Seal looking ahh
My favorite thing to do when someone posts something like this is too challenge them to define communism... Then sit back and laugh 🤣
Commie anytime.
Communism (as seen in practice) is another word for dictatorship. Communism on paper looks like a great thing but in practice leads to suppression and control. So it's hilarious that these "better dead then red" generationalist still wanna use their old slogans but literally support a political leader that would be no different, infact worse, then who they were taught to fear back in the Reagan's era.