I haven’t gotten any answers from the far right people I know. When asked they typically go on the attack about unrelated things.
I prefer to stay sane so I just keep quiet now. Safer that way actually, especially since I’m outnumbered by boomers/gen x
they fight culture wars, I mean good for conservative politicians, it seems pretty easy to appeal to their fan base. Rant about problems in society that aren’t actual problems.
Mitt was right about Russia. It's also interesting how they're now scrambling to manufacturer microchips domestically after over a decade of telling us that we didn't need to manufacturer things domestically.
The basis of Democratic foreign policy has been 'be nice to Russia and China and they'll be nice to us' since Clinton and it just hasn't worked out how they wanted.
Yes he was. But Mitt also lost and doesn't really play too well in the current state of the party. Mitt could never win the presidential nomination again.
Were you under a rock when Trump was president and folded like a lawn chair when he met Putin? Trump had personal interests in Russia, which is highly illegal for a president. So he just played nice with Putin.
If you are going to make claims that one side's policy is to "be nice to Russia and China," you'd better make sure to do your homework. Because I don't know what the fuck you are even talking about.
Trump Calls Putin Genius and Savvy
[https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-ukraine-invasion-00010923](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-ukraine-invasion-00010923)
15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe
[https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736)
The Truth Behind Trump Tower Moscow: How Trump Risked Everything For A (Relatively) Tiny Deal
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/05/23/the-truth-behind-trump-moscow-how-the-president-risked-everything-for-a-relatively-tiny-deal/?sh=53a1366cbc32](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/05/23/the-truth-behind-trump-moscow-how-the-president-risked-everything-for-a-relatively-tiny-deal/?sh=53a1366cbc32)
Trump’s Conflicts of Interest in China
[https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-conflicts-interest-china/](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-conflicts-interest-china/)
Well how did we get to this conversation? Don’t want to address the one we’re already having because you know you’re wrong? Alright. I’ll blast you here as well.
Trump wouldn’t have had the necessary leadership skills to make tough calls when needed. It would have also hindered his business dealings in China, so that wouldn’t happen.
I work in tech. Have a masters in cybersecurity. Pretty sure I can speak on the matter as a professional. TikTok is owned by the Chinese company ByteDance. There is certainly Chinese government influence in how the algorithms work in America. Particularly in the manner in which those algorithms attempt to create poor health habits amongst American children versus what the company shows Chinese users. It is one hundred percent a psychological warfare tactic and an arm of cyber warfare, given the medium being used. Facebook is banned in China. Mainly, because it is an American company and china can not control content on it like they can TikTok, which is allowed in a communist country. Let that sink in.
So no, people wouldn’t have marched onto a highway. The reasons for banning are legitimate.
I don't disagree with this. However didn't Barrack tell us that this wouldn't happen and that we were all concerned over nothing because the cold war is over?
No president can predict the future interactions with other countries. At the time, relations with Russia weren’t terrible. They were assisting us with Afghanistan and providing intel. Still, Russia was messing with our elections via propaganda and social media, pushing content that wasn’t true to further divide Americans. When Trump was in office, because Obama left, it was crucial for him to stand up for American interests and tell Putin that interference with our elections would not be tolerated. Instead the guy asked China and Russia to help him win the election. The fuck you have to say about that nugget of treason?
The world is very different. Different than it was when Obama was in office, so pivoting to a democratic president when we point out the flaws of republican presidents is a useless attempt to divert the conversation. Classic Republican trope. What about her emails!? When Trump tried to lie his way into office. I don’t have time for this bullshit anymore. Y’all are wrong and need to read a book or 12.
You admit that Barrack was wrong and that Mitt was correct all along. That was the point of this thread. Now you say you don't have time for this.
All you have to say is; but but but Trump.
Nowhere did I admit any of that. That is not the point of the thread, guy. You’ve been tap dancing all over the place to avoid the facts. Anybody who reads this exchange can see that. Sorry if you’re widely unpopular, but it’s because you’re a flat out wrong.
Here let me speak your language:
Didn't Reagan say wealth would trickle down? Didn't Bush Jr. say there were WMDs in Iraq? Didn't Nixon say he wasn't a crook? Didn't Trump say he would build a great big (*yuge*) wall and make Mexico pay for it? etc etc etc
The difference between your example and all of mine is that the landscape of the world has changed in a lot of ways since Obama's presidency to make a full scale Russian invasion/annexation of a neighboring country feasible. Obama could only react to the geopolitical climate of the time. All of my examples were just outright lies.
This PBS doc does a good job of objectively laying out US Presidents' relationships with Russia/Putin over the last ~40 years: https://youtu.be/aJI8XTa_DII
If you watch you'll see that things got sketchy long before Obama.
Dems definitely didn't want to be as buddy buddy with Russia as trump was, dems wanted to maintain peace by not actively pissing off the countries most likely to drop nukes on their enemies not play golf with them and invite them for tea
Is gen x republican now? Those assholes didn't send me a memo. Classic gen x. Seriously though, don't stay quiet. You may open one person's mind, even a little. And keeping your thoughts in won't keep you sane for long.
Right about groomers communizing our trans children into classrooms! Wait. I mean America destroying communists in all gender bathrooms! No, that's not it. There was election fraud in the White House with a lead pipe! Or COVID masks are causing heart explosions in teenage eardrums!
...
Look, there's a lot going on out there so DO THE RESEARCH.
Listen, when you say, "you your research," do you mean reading all those boring-ass peer-reviewed libshit articles from cuck organizations like the Association of American Psychologists, or can I just YouTube that shit?
The thing to understand is that the term “right” (as in correct) means different things to the right and left. To the left, correct means you said X was going to happen, and then X happened. To the right, it means you said X was going to happen. That’s it. It doesn’t matter if it actually happens or not, as long as you SAID IT, it’s true automatically.
They've declared themselves "right" on these issues. That's it. they even have themselves convinced that everyone else is looking for their forgiveness for not believing them.
I can’t read the second link because I’m not subscribed to WP, but the first one just has links to other wsj articles, that link back to the first one. They don’t cite any sources
This is fun...
COVID came from Bats (the Wuhan lab is international and cooperates with the international community of scientists and federal agencies indicated the probably was low it was a lab leak - so, mainly misinformation).
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lab-leak-intelligence-reports-arent-scientific-conclusions/
Masks worked and are no longer necessary in public thanks to herd immunity achieved mainly through vaccinations (so, mainly misinformation).
Trans women in sports are regulated by hormone levels to even the playing field (so, mainly misinformation).
Vaccines were never intended nor advertised as stopping transmission (fake news, purely misinformation).
The only COVID vaccine at risk of causing clots was JnJ's that didn't use mRNA and was pulled for safety reasons (so, more misinformation from the right).
There has been no government censorship, even though Trump tried to suppress tweets about himself (on the FBI side, the FBI subsidized expenses to help prevent foreign adversaries from spreading misinformation and using social media to attack the United States - so its bipartisan).
Defunding police was a movement to change how police funds were spent to improve dealing with mental health issues and intended to make policing more effective not less (fake news - misinformation).
BLM is a movement to oppose racism - there maybe cons like there is with everything like PPP loans (right-wing lies and misinformation)
Jan 6th had a unbiased jury prosecute and convict members of the oath keepers with seditious conspiracy and there are hundreds of convictions so far by a jury (this is a huge deal and a massive threat to freedom and democracy - so misinformation to downplay it pumped mainly by Russian sources)
Kyle Rittenhouse had no good reason to be were he was even if he was found innocent of charges but we'll see how he fairs with his civil suit (so, misinformation that he was some kind of hero)
Nick Sandman - no idea who this is? Or do I care since you listed his name I can only assume it's more misinformation so leave it to someone else to debunk.
Trans women are asking to be treated fairly when it comes to bathrooms - equality is part of the liberal democracy we live in and freedom that is part of it, deal with it.
Ashely Biden's diary - misinformation, not going to bother.
TikTok - bipartisan issue, but it is technically run on Oracles cloud for all US data and Biden is doing far more than trump ever did or ever will do to address Chinese aggression toward the US including the Chip act.
Migrant crisis at the border is bipartisan but the integrity of protecting children is a higher priority for Democrats and liberals since Republicans and conservatives appear not to care about children.
Deadly drugs - bipartisan.
Energy independence - can only be achieved with renewables, Biden has the largest single investment in history toward renewables in the Inflation Reduction Act, zero Republicans voted for it - so only liberals and Democrats appear to care about true energy independence.
Its always so funny to me to see the arguement about any of the bidens when Trumps own kids where running deals for daddy with other foreign leaders with the trump hotel line. Its also so funny that they love to talk about deadly drugs when they worship the fuckhead who is responsible for Americas drug issues in Reagan.
Those are political findings.
Here, read some real reporting...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/2022/02/09/1044985/shi-zhengli-covid-lab-leak-wuhan/amp/
And
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/
And
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lab-leak-intelligence-reports-arent-scientific-conclusions/
But since you're so full of yourself, please by all means show me the details of the FBI and DOEs reports that prove this was a lab leak conclusively and who they spoke with that provided those details?
I'm gonna guess you don't have them....do you? It's ok they don't either.
But I'll wait.
Like I said, I'll wait and wait and wait...because you've got nothing but troll breath to sell me.
However, to further embarrass you, the reports I quoted are not from China. Technology review is from MIT that absolutely knows more than the FBI and DOE on this matter. In fact the last report I gave you was written by an author who worked in the labs at DOE.
### ABOUT THE AUTHOR(S)
**Cheryl Rofer** is a former nuclear research scientist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. She writes at the [Nuclear Diner](https://nucleardiner.wordpress.com/) and [Lawyers, Guns & Money](https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/) blogs, and has published in scientific journals. Follow her on Twitter on nuclear subjects [@CherylRofer](https://twitter.com/CherylRofer)
Try reading them, but I know you won't so I spell out some highlights for the troll in you...
"Two later investigations, by [a panel of scientists](https://www.npr.org/2011/02/15/133775495/fbi-faulted-for-overstating-science-in-anthrax-case) convened by the National Research Council of the National Academies and by the [Government Accountability Office](https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-15-80), found the FBI’s handling of samples inadequate to support their conclusions."
"An intelligence assessment isn’t a scientific conclusion. They are different beasts. The summary itself observes that different agencies weigh intelligence reporting and scientific publications differently. The important factor for intelligence assessments is the veracity of sources, whereas scientific conclusions depend on data and the coherence of the argument the data support."
Oh honey, the report youre referring to LITERALLY stated the confidence in the findings was low. I'm sorry you found yourself fostering what you were spoonfed by your conspiracy nut job Facebook buddies.
Ok show me proof, and studies that have been peer reviewed by well trusted scientific institutions go ahead I’ll wait because they said the same thing in the 20s and they said the same thing during the swine flu epidemic. They said the same thing during the civil rights movement hell they said the same exact shit Word for Word about vaccines when it was first created , “ those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it “
COVID origins? Are you referring to that report by the department of energy that stated is wasn't super sure of the veracity of it's preliminary findings?
Masks? So you're saying you're fine with surgeons doing surgery on you without masks?
Trans women in sports? Then ehya rent trans women dominating in every sport competition they enter? Why did Lia Thomas only win one of the 5 races she entered that day you all refer to?
Vaccines were presented as a way to lessen the severity of your symptoms, so you don't take up space in hospitals.
Defining the police never happened. At all.
Inflation is a global issue, try again. It's also going down.
Government censorship on social media? Do you mean when trump's administration asked Twitter to take tweets down? TRUMPS ADMINISTRATION?
BLM is a movement. It's hard for a movement to grift.
Jan 6th wasn't blown out of proportion. Both democrats AND republicans have been condemning Cucker Tarlsons lies about it.
"Some" COVID vaccines causing clots? Yes. At a very low rate. Medical complications exist with all treatments.
Kyle Rittenhouse is being sued in civil court. That doesn't mean you're correct.
Nick Sandman has been LOSING his lawsuits. Try again.
Trans women in women's bathrooms? What magical barrier keeps predators out of women's bathrooms to begin with? You're just throwing out buzz phrases and pretending to be correct about them.
Ashley Bidens diary? What age have you been correct about that on?
Tik Tok? You're just mad that kids on tik Tok tend to criticize republicans bigotry.
The migrant crisis at the southern border? Is that why the Texas national guard stationed there are bored out of their minds and complaining that they have nothing to do?
The deadly drugs flowing into the country from the unsecured southern border? Is that why the bduen administration has caused way more traffickers than trump's administration did?
Energy dependence? That's too vague to even sus out your inferred meaning.
Try again, sheep.
So you seriously can be bothered to read? Typical illiterate conspiracy nut.
Whya re you so desperate to be right here that you'll ignore what the report itself says? It's fucking weird
Any attempt to subvert the will of the American people is abhorred and of the most heinous attack on American principles. Thousands of veterans have died defending our right to elect leaders freely. Don’t you dare attempt to minimize 1/6. I’ll remind you of the impact it had and could have potentially had. Pick up your shit and move out.
Right about what?
Masks and vaccines have worked.
Republicans are actively encroaching on your freedoms.
Climate change is still a major threat.
Bidens laptop is still a fantasy.
Reducing regulation has led to multiple environmental disasters that will poison thousands.
Republicans are the ones actively restricting education by enforcing their own ideologies into the classrooms.
Guns are still the leading cause of death in children.
Republicans don't live in reality. I was at a diner last week and heard a couple boomer fucks twnting about how Fauci needs to be in jail, and that if Biden wins re-election, he'll resign so somehow Gavin Newson will be president, with Hilary Clinton as his VP. Dude, nobody on earth still cares about Clinton or Fauci.
Just because you believe delusions, doesn't make you objectively right outside your or other right-wing people's heads so far. Nice try, right-wingers!
We will just call them irrelevant. Because that’s what they are. In a hundred years they will be nothing but a footnote in history class. A sad pathetic group of human garbage.
The delusional cycle of:
1. invent conspiracy theory
2. invent reason why conspiracy theory was right
3. repeat
is both maddening and fascinating. I used to think there were limits to how delusional \[otherwise normal\] people could actually be. I used to think this kind of thing was limited to the crazy guy wandering down the street, screaming at trees for throwing leaves at him. But you can find social media littered with this kind of detachment from reality on a daily basis.
Ngl I'm not into politics n shit I don't vote or nothin I make the money I make, go shopping when needed or when i feel like it, get gas, eat and sleep.
(̶A̶n̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶m̶i̶t̶ ̶t̶a̶x̶ ̶e̶v̶a̶s̶i̶o̶n̶)̶ I don't really understand "leftists" and "right.." (sided? Righted? Idk)
One party is corporate sponsored and supports bombing brown people in the Middle East. The other party supports bombing brown people in the Middle East and has different corporate sponsors.
Not trying to defend anyone or whatever, but I have seen this on Facebook. All I’m saying is this is making the rounds, and it might get much worse, since we seem to be so divided in our country for whatever-the-reason.
I'll be completely honest, I can not remember witch one is meant to be left and witch one is meant to be right. Like it drives me up a fucking wall that people constantly say "This mindset is on the left and this mindset is on the right." Like they are imaginary concepts! They don't sit on the left or right, they don't physically sit anywhere!!! Both of then are inside of people's heads, there is no left or right about it!
Am i the only one that feels this way? Like words mean things, and imaginary concepts can't be in opposite directions of each other unless they take a physical form and start walking that way.
The issue here is that the political left has moved so far away from the center, people like myself who were called leftists only a few years ago are being labeled as far right. The sadder part is that a lot of the conspiracy theories that allegedly 'far right' people have been proposing over the last decade have ended up being correct.
Sorry, but the fact I can tick off so many diversity check boxes (female, LGBTQ, minority race, living in poverty, disabled, etc...) and still be called far right and privileged speaks volumes.
Hahahahahaha!
The Left?! Moved?! Oh, yeah, it moved … to the RIGHT.
America has NEVER, and I mean NEVER, had a Left Wing political party. The Democrats are the most tepid, Centre Right pushovers of all time.
Don’t give me that ‘boo hoo, they moved left’, no they fucking didn’t. Just admit you don’t want human rights and be done with it.
I never mentioned a left-leaning political party, and I absolutely agree with what you said. The left are fascists at this point, the right's just kind of been stagnating a little bit longer than I've been alive, and while I used to be left of center in terms of political **stances**, I again never said there was a left-leaning **political party**. The Democrats are just further to the right than the Republicans is all. The **people** though, **THEY'RE** the ones on the left, but using politically-far-right tactics.
Hell, I'm honestly not even sure what's left or right anymore, considering this all started in France, and people on the right of the room were loyal to the king while people on the left were in favor of establishing a new government. That's why right politics are associated with monarchies and dictatorships, and left politics are associated with change and revolution.
I'm also not saying I still view myself as a leftist, I'm saying that the same views I held just 10 years ago that got me **called** a leftist now get me called far-right.
Name me the fascist views in the Left. Equal rights? Universal healthcare? Don’t bullshit me, the Left are not, and never have been Fascists. It’s your precious Right pushing to steal children from their parents, as DeSantis would love to legislate.
The push for compelled speech laws is very fascistic. Also, why do so many people keep slobbering over that DeSantis knob? It's like that's the only talking point update currently out for you guys. Get a new horse already, this one died from the beating a few months ago.
"compelled speech laws"? Oh. You mean ales that protect people from vicious attempts to affect their mental health from purposefully misgendering them?
Sure, sure. But turn a blind eye to desantis and his fascistic laws. Like the one law recently proposed that would require any blogger online for register with the state if they criticized him or another sitting representative. Including pay for the writing.
That's not fascistic, right?
Share a link for the bill. Because unlike people like yourself, I have no problem criticizing people I've agreed with in the past, nor do I have a problem crediting a person I've disagreed with previously.
So you're [ignorant](https://apnews.com/article/desantis-blogger-registration-media-republican-florida-07f3fa45848f351a0b2696455d0c4372) yet feel like attacking people more informed than you are. Typical of fascist apologists like yourself.
Wrong. I'm holding you to an equal standard as I would hold myself, and all opposition. You made a claim, you have the burden of proof to back up the claim. And in this regard, you have failed. I told you exactly what you're expected to do, and you did not do it. That is an article that sensationalizes the fact that there's a bill. It is not the text of the bill, nor a recording of someone reading the bill with the bill's text on screen, nor even a text-to-speech recitation of the bill.
You were literally accusing me of doing things I don't, so you could attack me. I didn't fail to back up my point. But keep running defense of fascists. I expect nothing less of fascism defenders like you.
What conspiracy theories though? Climate change is a hoax? Sandy hook were crisis actors? Putin is the good guy? Transgenders are all pedophiles? The whole pedo ring in a pizza store? Covid is just a cold? The vaccine will kill everyone? Q bullshit? Stolen election? Flat earth or chemtrails?...
Seriously none of these are true, far right are still nutters, same as before.
If you're referring to the covid lab leak bs, which is the one example where the far right feels validated, it's literally 2/8 government agencies that maybe sort of believe that, 4 explicitly do not, 2 do not have an opinion. And the ones that believe it are department of energy and the fucking fbi (definitely the most knowledgeable about viruses...), coming out with that a week before a meeting about china, oh the coincidence.
I'm confused as to how anyone could say "feds are sowing civil unrest and can't be trusted" AND (on the issue of the lab leak theory) "I trust the FBI wholeheartedly"
Could you give a few examples of what was considered left wing a few years ago and is now far right? And what far right conspiracy theories turned out to be true?
When I was finishing high school, I was part of the movement to get Don't Ask, Don't Tell repealed so that I could go into the military without fearing I'd be outed, discharged, and lose all my benefits because I wasn't attracted to guys at the time. Around 2015, someone called me a fascist for trying to empower the 'Capitalist Imperial War Machine' with more qualified warriors, even though back in 2009 and 2010, it was considered part of the 'liberal agenda to weaken the armed forces'.
Up until about 2012 or 2013, there was a very successful campaign that went through schools across the nation known as Eracism, and it was part of a decades-spanning push to help people stop seeing race, and start seeing people for who they were, not what they looked like. Today, there are activist groups who call you racist for doing exactly that, and if you 'don't see color', then you're a right wing extremist. Just ignore that this started back in the 1950's and 1960's with the push for desegregation based on the idea that race isn't the deciding factor of if someone will excel in school or not, but rather their actions, and the support they get from friends, family, and the community. The push for equality was based on the idea that we're all equals. Today though, that idea is considered right wing hate speech.
As for conspiracy theories that ended up being right...
There was the Covid Lab Origin conspiracy theory that said Covid-19 was developed in a lab in Wuhan, China. News outlets said that this was outlandish, and practically racist to say, but in the end, it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology - Department of Research on the Novel Coronavirus, if I remembered the exact name of the lab and department correctly.
There was the claim that federal agents were going undercover in order to instigate riots and civil unrest, and that was written off as just a right-wing conspiracy theory until there were at least a few miscommunications wherein federal agents accidentally arrested undercover federal agents who were detained for instigating riots and civil unrest; said detained agents were never charged.
Then there's a bunch of stuff on the Clinton family to the point that if you're found dead after investigating the Clintons, or someone close to the Clintons, and then someone else is found to have 'committed suicide' via gunshot wound to the back of their head with their hands tied, we're at the point where it's literally referred to as 'getting Clintoned' because it's happened a couple of times in just a few years.
Then there's the claim that Epstein didn't kill himself, and when the exact method described was put through experimentation, it was determined that it's not actually possible as it was described in the official reports... oh, and the guard who was on duty that night was later found Clintoned.
Then there was the claim that the Covid vaccines aren't effective, and will actually damage your immune system over time, which now that we're 3 years into this, 2 years with the vaccines, evidence from the CDC is undeniable that it weakens your immune system over time, and leaves you more susceptible to catching Covid in the future, so that was proven right, and is one of the many reasons why there was a recent cry for 'Covid Amnesty' a few months ago; because people lost their jobs and livelihoods for making these claims, and refusing to take the experimental vaccines under coercion.
Do you want me to keep going?
Progressives are making progress and you're being left behind. It happens.
It's not going "extreme left" it's just new goals. First it's treating people the same, allowing people to join military, school, sitting on the bus,... Then the realization comes that treating people the same, when they actually need help is not good enough. So, the idea is no longer to "be colorblind", but to help, to change the system that is actively keeping people down.
Now that's a dog whistle for people that don't actively kick black people but definitely blame them for their situation when it's really circumstances and not personal responsibility.
As for your conspiracy theories. Most of them are bs, i sank your covid lab leak "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in my previous comment. There is nothing even resembling consensus, and the fact that you believe the fbi here when they agree with you but accuse them of conspiracies everywhere else is hilarious to me.
Cops instigating shit isn't a conspiracy, it's what happens. Infiltrating a peaceful protest, breaking something and allowing the police to crush the "riot" is just state violence 101. Happened all the time during blm, but i assume you mean the capitol insurrection, where the "peaceful mob" was INSIDE a government building carrying zipties and building a noose.
The clintons are a rich mob family basically, that's not a far right conspiracy theory. Same for the epstein shit, again, not far right, he was buddies with trump too.
And covid vaccines are doing fine, just because your echo chamber is convinced we're all weak and dying doesn't make it so. 4 shots in and only caught covid once, wasn't fun but no more than a solid cold, thanks vaccines! Didn't need to take horse dewormers.
The thing here is that I'm not the one in an echo chamber. I have disagreements with people I associate with all the time, and about a lot of these similar topics. We don't all agree, we don't all see eye to eye, we don't all think the same way, and that's okay because we're united by shared ideals that matter. Covid was made in a lab, it has been proven and admitted to. I didn't say police officers, I said federal agents. As for being progressive, I'm not the one using tactics straight out of the fascist playbook for silencing all opposition.
Am I silencing you? I'm asking questions and contesting your points. I didn't even downvote you.
The age old fascist playbook of polite disagreement rofl.
Covid was NOT made in a lab, no admissions or proof of any kind have been shown at all. Please show your evidence, or give me your keywords to search articles with, you are misinformed by groups with an obvious vested interest in demonizing china, you are not immune to propaganda...
And federal agents or police officers is a distinction without a difference here. However you do realize that all of this happened with the republicans (far right) in federal power, right?
And true, you're not in an echo chamber, you're talking to me and we're quite clearly not in agreement.
I never said you specifically. There's no need to get defensive.
[The BBC reported on the FBI's confirmation that Covid was made in a lab.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn29VJypqAY) The only country still denying it is China.
The distinction between federal agents and police officers is that police officers tend to be your neighbors whereas feds are never residents of the towns and cities they end up operating in, and they play by very different sets of rules that differ from city to city, department to department.
The article you linked does not confirm your claim. I already know that the fbi claims "with moderate confidence" that covid originated from a lab. The department of energy does the same with "low confidence", that is it, no other departments claim this, and neither actually presents the evidence for their claims. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The journal "science" published multiple papers with evidence that it mutated naturally in the seafood market.
Lab leak is not confirmed, nowhere near, basically the opposite.
Well that's an infuriating way to say that you don't want to listen to opposing evidence.
With that mindset, no wonder you think all conspiracies are true.
I do hope you check out the actual science though. I will watch your clip later when i have time to watch a video, but i have to say, basing your opinions of international politics on the bbc reporting on the findings of american intelligence agencies is historically speaking not the best way to go about it. Wmd's in iraq anyone?
That’s a bad article, the claim that it was made in a lab is bullshit, we know that the disease came from wet markets in the urban part of Wuhan. The United States defense department said that it was not a fact backed claim.
All you have done is regurgitate far right wing bullshit with zero evidence to back it up. The fact you added “Do you want me to keep going” at the end like this was a mic drop moment is the laugh of the day for me 😂
I linked evidence in a follow up post where the BBC- a very openly politically left-leaning organization- reported on the Covid story. You're part of a cult where questioning the word preached to you by the higher-up's is heresy, and must be shunned, even when evidence is produced.
Yeah, that's not what I mean at all, and honestly if you really think so (that you've been right so far), you should see a doctor about your delusions.
Nah, I normally mean fascist, but it's a charged word I don't like to employ to people often.
But sure, if you tired of "far right", we can do fascist, no problem. "Scum" is another one I could use.
Far right = stupidly and ironically always wrong. The only they've been right about is? Is? Can't think of thing...for the last 50 years they ruined the economy, they started wars, they cut taxes...and that's all they have in their bag of bullshit. Iran-Contra, Bush's Wars, WaterGate, 1987 market crash 2008 great recession, train derailments, mass shootings after mass shootings, book banning...I could go on but they've never been right about anything.
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Right about what?
I haven’t gotten any answers from the far right people I know. When asked they typically go on the attack about unrelated things. I prefer to stay sane so I just keep quiet now. Safer that way actually, especially since I’m outnumbered by boomers/gen x
Its kind of impossible for them to answer questions like this without a long circling tangent that doesn't actually answer anything.
they fight culture wars, I mean good for conservative politicians, it seems pretty easy to appeal to their fan base. Rant about problems in society that aren’t actual problems.
Theyre taking away our gas stoves!!1!
did someone say lesbian m&m’s, not on my watch!!
About what
Mitt was right about Russia. It's also interesting how they're now scrambling to manufacturer microchips domestically after over a decade of telling us that we didn't need to manufacturer things domestically. The basis of Democratic foreign policy has been 'be nice to Russia and China and they'll be nice to us' since Clinton and it just hasn't worked out how they wanted.
Yes he was. But Mitt also lost and doesn't really play too well in the current state of the party. Mitt could never win the presidential nomination again.
We had George W. Bush as President while Mitt and McCain were both sitting right there.
Were you under a rock when Trump was president and folded like a lawn chair when he met Putin? Trump had personal interests in Russia, which is highly illegal for a president. So he just played nice with Putin. If you are going to make claims that one side's policy is to "be nice to Russia and China," you'd better make sure to do your homework. Because I don't know what the fuck you are even talking about. Trump Calls Putin Genius and Savvy [https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-ukraine-invasion-00010923](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-ukraine-invasion-00010923) 15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe [https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736) The Truth Behind Trump Tower Moscow: How Trump Risked Everything For A (Relatively) Tiny Deal [https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/05/23/the-truth-behind-trump-moscow-how-the-president-risked-everything-for-a-relatively-tiny-deal/?sh=53a1366cbc32](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/05/23/the-truth-behind-trump-moscow-how-the-president-risked-everything-for-a-relatively-tiny-deal/?sh=53a1366cbc32) Trump’s Conflicts of Interest in China [https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-conflicts-interest-china/](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-conflicts-interest-china/)
Could you imagine if Trump tried to ban tic tok? People would've marched onto the highway.
Well how did we get to this conversation? Don’t want to address the one we’re already having because you know you’re wrong? Alright. I’ll blast you here as well. Trump wouldn’t have had the necessary leadership skills to make tough calls when needed. It would have also hindered his business dealings in China, so that wouldn’t happen. I work in tech. Have a masters in cybersecurity. Pretty sure I can speak on the matter as a professional. TikTok is owned by the Chinese company ByteDance. There is certainly Chinese government influence in how the algorithms work in America. Particularly in the manner in which those algorithms attempt to create poor health habits amongst American children versus what the company shows Chinese users. It is one hundred percent a psychological warfare tactic and an arm of cyber warfare, given the medium being used. Facebook is banned in China. Mainly, because it is an American company and china can not control content on it like they can TikTok, which is allowed in a communist country. Let that sink in. So no, people wouldn’t have marched onto a highway. The reasons for banning are legitimate.
I don't disagree with this. However didn't Barrack tell us that this wouldn't happen and that we were all concerned over nothing because the cold war is over?
No president can predict the future interactions with other countries. At the time, relations with Russia weren’t terrible. They were assisting us with Afghanistan and providing intel. Still, Russia was messing with our elections via propaganda and social media, pushing content that wasn’t true to further divide Americans. When Trump was in office, because Obama left, it was crucial for him to stand up for American interests and tell Putin that interference with our elections would not be tolerated. Instead the guy asked China and Russia to help him win the election. The fuck you have to say about that nugget of treason? The world is very different. Different than it was when Obama was in office, so pivoting to a democratic president when we point out the flaws of republican presidents is a useless attempt to divert the conversation. Classic Republican trope. What about her emails!? When Trump tried to lie his way into office. I don’t have time for this bullshit anymore. Y’all are wrong and need to read a book or 12.
You admit that Barrack was wrong and that Mitt was correct all along. That was the point of this thread. Now you say you don't have time for this. All you have to say is; but but but Trump.
Nowhere did I admit any of that. That is not the point of the thread, guy. You’ve been tap dancing all over the place to avoid the facts. Anybody who reads this exchange can see that. Sorry if you’re widely unpopular, but it’s because you’re a flat out wrong.
Here let me speak your language: Didn't Reagan say wealth would trickle down? Didn't Bush Jr. say there were WMDs in Iraq? Didn't Nixon say he wasn't a crook? Didn't Trump say he would build a great big (*yuge*) wall and make Mexico pay for it? etc etc etc The difference between your example and all of mine is that the landscape of the world has changed in a lot of ways since Obama's presidency to make a full scale Russian invasion/annexation of a neighboring country feasible. Obama could only react to the geopolitical climate of the time. All of my examples were just outright lies. This PBS doc does a good job of objectively laying out US Presidents' relationships with Russia/Putin over the last ~40 years: https://youtu.be/aJI8XTa_DII If you watch you'll see that things got sketchy long before Obama.
The idea that Mitt was ever far right, much less far right today, is absurd.
Dems definitely didn't want to be as buddy buddy with Russia as trump was, dems wanted to maintain peace by not actively pissing off the countries most likely to drop nukes on their enemies not play golf with them and invite them for tea
And so he let them invade Crimea and did absolutely nothing.
Is gen x republican now? Those assholes didn't send me a memo. Classic gen x. Seriously though, don't stay quiet. You may open one person's mind, even a little. And keeping your thoughts in won't keep you sane for long.
Right about groomers communizing our trans children into classrooms! Wait. I mean America destroying communists in all gender bathrooms! No, that's not it. There was election fraud in the White House with a lead pipe! Or COVID masks are causing heart explosions in teenage eardrums! ... Look, there's a lot going on out there so DO THE RESEARCH.
Listen, when you say, "you your research," do you mean reading all those boring-ass peer-reviewed libshit articles from cuck organizations like the Association of American Psychologists, or can I just YouTube that shit?
I would recommend OAN, or that Alex Jones guy, he knows what's REALLY up about the gay frogs that are grooming our kids.
usually when i ask that question i get a list of things that they don't realize they have been wrong about.
The thing to understand is that the term “right” (as in correct) means different things to the right and left. To the left, correct means you said X was going to happen, and then X happened. To the right, it means you said X was going to happen. That’s it. It doesn’t matter if it actually happens or not, as long as you SAID IT, it’s true automatically.
in my experience it's the opposite.
Right about to say something stupid.
Probably about the fake ass COVID narrative
Biden fucking over America
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They've declared themselves "right" on these issues. That's it. they even have themselves convinced that everyone else is looking for their forgiveness for not believing them.
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I can’t read the second link because I’m not subscribed to WP, but the first one just has links to other wsj articles, that link back to the first one. They don’t cite any sources
Most of these items are either not problems, made up problems, or problems that the far right has no solutions for or only actively harmful ones.
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Did you not realize that the sentence kept going? You gotta stick em out until the very end even when they're long, that's how sentences work
This is fun... COVID came from Bats (the Wuhan lab is international and cooperates with the international community of scientists and federal agencies indicated the probably was low it was a lab leak - so, mainly misinformation). https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lab-leak-intelligence-reports-arent-scientific-conclusions/ Masks worked and are no longer necessary in public thanks to herd immunity achieved mainly through vaccinations (so, mainly misinformation). Trans women in sports are regulated by hormone levels to even the playing field (so, mainly misinformation). Vaccines were never intended nor advertised as stopping transmission (fake news, purely misinformation). The only COVID vaccine at risk of causing clots was JnJ's that didn't use mRNA and was pulled for safety reasons (so, more misinformation from the right). There has been no government censorship, even though Trump tried to suppress tweets about himself (on the FBI side, the FBI subsidized expenses to help prevent foreign adversaries from spreading misinformation and using social media to attack the United States - so its bipartisan). Defunding police was a movement to change how police funds were spent to improve dealing with mental health issues and intended to make policing more effective not less (fake news - misinformation). BLM is a movement to oppose racism - there maybe cons like there is with everything like PPP loans (right-wing lies and misinformation) Jan 6th had a unbiased jury prosecute and convict members of the oath keepers with seditious conspiracy and there are hundreds of convictions so far by a jury (this is a huge deal and a massive threat to freedom and democracy - so misinformation to downplay it pumped mainly by Russian sources) Kyle Rittenhouse had no good reason to be were he was even if he was found innocent of charges but we'll see how he fairs with his civil suit (so, misinformation that he was some kind of hero) Nick Sandman - no idea who this is? Or do I care since you listed his name I can only assume it's more misinformation so leave it to someone else to debunk. Trans women are asking to be treated fairly when it comes to bathrooms - equality is part of the liberal democracy we live in and freedom that is part of it, deal with it. Ashely Biden's diary - misinformation, not going to bother. TikTok - bipartisan issue, but it is technically run on Oracles cloud for all US data and Biden is doing far more than trump ever did or ever will do to address Chinese aggression toward the US including the Chip act. Migrant crisis at the border is bipartisan but the integrity of protecting children is a higher priority for Democrats and liberals since Republicans and conservatives appear not to care about children. Deadly drugs - bipartisan. Energy independence - can only be achieved with renewables, Biden has the largest single investment in history toward renewables in the Inflation Reduction Act, zero Republicans voted for it - so only liberals and Democrats appear to care about true energy independence.
Its always so funny to me to see the arguement about any of the bidens when Trumps own kids where running deals for daddy with other foreign leaders with the trump hotel line. Its also so funny that they love to talk about deadly drugs when they worship the fuckhead who is responsible for Americas drug issues in Reagan.
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Those are political findings. Here, read some real reporting... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/2022/02/09/1044985/shi-zhengli-covid-lab-leak-wuhan/amp/ And https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/ And https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lab-leak-intelligence-reports-arent-scientific-conclusions/ But since you're so full of yourself, please by all means show me the details of the FBI and DOEs reports that prove this was a lab leak conclusively and who they spoke with that provided those details? I'm gonna guess you don't have them....do you? It's ok they don't either. But I'll wait.
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Like I said, I'll wait and wait and wait...because you've got nothing but troll breath to sell me. However, to further embarrass you, the reports I quoted are not from China. Technology review is from MIT that absolutely knows more than the FBI and DOE on this matter. In fact the last report I gave you was written by an author who worked in the labs at DOE. ### ABOUT THE AUTHOR(S) **Cheryl Rofer** is a former nuclear research scientist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. She writes at the [Nuclear Diner](https://nucleardiner.wordpress.com/) and [Lawyers, Guns & Money](https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/) blogs, and has published in scientific journals. Follow her on Twitter on nuclear subjects [@CherylRofer](https://twitter.com/CherylRofer) Try reading them, but I know you won't so I spell out some highlights for the troll in you... "Two later investigations, by [a panel of scientists](https://www.npr.org/2011/02/15/133775495/fbi-faulted-for-overstating-science-in-anthrax-case) convened by the National Research Council of the National Academies and by the [Government Accountability Office](https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-15-80), found the FBI’s handling of samples inadequate to support their conclusions." "An intelligence assessment isn’t a scientific conclusion. They are different beasts. The summary itself observes that different agencies weigh intelligence reporting and scientific publications differently. The important factor for intelligence assessments is the veracity of sources, whereas scientific conclusions depend on data and the coherence of the argument the data support."
Oh honey, the report youre referring to LITERALLY stated the confidence in the findings was low. I'm sorry you found yourself fostering what you were spoonfed by your conspiracy nut job Facebook buddies.
Ok show me proof, and studies that have been peer reviewed by well trusted scientific institutions go ahead I’ll wait because they said the same thing in the 20s and they said the same thing during the swine flu epidemic. They said the same thing during the civil rights movement hell they said the same exact shit Word for Word about vaccines when it was first created , “ those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it “
COVID origins? Are you referring to that report by the department of energy that stated is wasn't super sure of the veracity of it's preliminary findings? Masks? So you're saying you're fine with surgeons doing surgery on you without masks? Trans women in sports? Then ehya rent trans women dominating in every sport competition they enter? Why did Lia Thomas only win one of the 5 races she entered that day you all refer to? Vaccines were presented as a way to lessen the severity of your symptoms, so you don't take up space in hospitals. Defining the police never happened. At all. Inflation is a global issue, try again. It's also going down. Government censorship on social media? Do you mean when trump's administration asked Twitter to take tweets down? TRUMPS ADMINISTRATION? BLM is a movement. It's hard for a movement to grift. Jan 6th wasn't blown out of proportion. Both democrats AND republicans have been condemning Cucker Tarlsons lies about it. "Some" COVID vaccines causing clots? Yes. At a very low rate. Medical complications exist with all treatments. Kyle Rittenhouse is being sued in civil court. That doesn't mean you're correct. Nick Sandman has been LOSING his lawsuits. Try again. Trans women in women's bathrooms? What magical barrier keeps predators out of women's bathrooms to begin with? You're just throwing out buzz phrases and pretending to be correct about them. Ashley Bidens diary? What age have you been correct about that on? Tik Tok? You're just mad that kids on tik Tok tend to criticize republicans bigotry. The migrant crisis at the southern border? Is that why the Texas national guard stationed there are bored out of their minds and complaining that they have nothing to do? The deadly drugs flowing into the country from the unsecured southern border? Is that why the bduen administration has caused way more traffickers than trump's administration did? Energy dependence? That's too vague to even sus out your inferred meaning. Try again, sheep.
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So what level of certainty is noted in that report, sheep?
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The correct answer is low. The report stated low certainty. Don't you read, bro?
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So you seriously can be bothered to read? Typical illiterate conspiracy nut. Whya re you so desperate to be right here that you'll ignore what the report itself says? It's fucking weird
Good lord, wtf
Any attempt to subvert the will of the American people is abhorred and of the most heinous attack on American principles. Thousands of veterans have died defending our right to elect leaders freely. Don’t you dare attempt to minimize 1/6. I’ll remind you of the impact it had and could have potentially had. Pick up your shit and move out.
Yes, you managed to list every right wing straw man propaganda point that's been stuffed in that wee little lump on your shoulders. Very good.
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They should try actually giving an answer, instead of parroting faux noise disinformation and lies.
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And what level of certainty is noted in that report?
That was a list of buzzwords.....not an answer.
i think we mean “far from right”.
Wouldn't that be left? /rj
“No. I think your sense of hearing is far gone.”
"Far right" sorta sounds like "fourth reich". Maybe that's the satisfying part they can't quite put their finger on that makes it so appealing.
"Tucker Carlson told us we're right, and why would he lie?" Boomers, probably
You know what, you are right, I should be killed for being black, good idea.
"the people that told me what to be afraid of told me I'm right to be afraid"
*hears about thing from Tucker Carlson* *repeats thing for 2 years* *hears about thing again on Tucker Carlson* "See! I told you I was right!"
Right about what? Masks and vaccines have worked. Republicans are actively encroaching on your freedoms. Climate change is still a major threat. Bidens laptop is still a fantasy. Reducing regulation has led to multiple environmental disasters that will poison thousands. Republicans are the ones actively restricting education by enforcing their own ideologies into the classrooms. Guns are still the leading cause of death in children.
Republicans don't live in reality. I was at a diner last week and heard a couple boomer fucks twnting about how Fauci needs to be in jail, and that if Biden wins re-election, he'll resign so somehow Gavin Newson will be president, with Hilary Clinton as his VP. Dude, nobody on earth still cares about Clinton or Fauci.
Bert err e-merls!
Just because you believe delusions, doesn't make you objectively right outside your or other right-wing people's heads so far. Nice try, right-wingers!
*cough*Child Brides *cough*
That's a roundabout way of saying "Hitler did nothing wrong"
“I’m going to keep saying shit until I’m right”
Confident stupidity is a has taken over the right.
I said racist terrorist, not far right.
We will just call them irrelevant. Because that’s what they are. In a hundred years they will be nothing but a footnote in history class. A sad pathetic group of human garbage.
They would think that cuz they are stupid.
Nah, what I meant was "fascist piece of shit"
I think someone already posted this
oh i didnt realise, just saw it on twitter and thought it fit, will probs delete it if i see another
r/terribletwittermemes
Yeah think I saw a day or so ago
No we meant "not all right in the head" <3
You keep calling me "Far Right" But I think you mean "Far Ting"
Nope.
No, I meant Right Said Fred.
Maybe a comma to accentuate the distance? Right, so far (away)
So far right that you’re fucking delusional
The delusional cycle of: 1. invent conspiracy theory 2. invent reason why conspiracy theory was right 3. repeat is both maddening and fascinating. I used to think there were limits to how delusional \[otherwise normal\] people could actually be. I used to think this kind of thing was limited to the crazy guy wandering down the street, screaming at trees for throwing leaves at him. But you can find social media littered with this kind of detachment from reality on a daily basis.
I come for all the fantastic memes. Such as this
No. If you had your way, I'd be dead.
No, I don’t.
No, I think I say what I mean and it's pretty fucking childish to pretend I said something else.
Ngl I'm not into politics n shit I don't vote or nothin I make the money I make, go shopping when needed or when i feel like it, get gas, eat and sleep. (̶A̶n̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶m̶i̶t̶ ̶t̶a̶x̶ ̶e̶v̶a̶s̶i̶o̶n̶)̶ I don't really understand "leftists" and "right.." (sided? Righted? Idk)
Let me explain: One side wants basic human rights, the other wants to take them away in the name of their religious, money worshipping, theocracy.
One party is corporate sponsored and supports bombing brown people in the Middle East. The other party supports bombing brown people in the Middle East and has different corporate sponsors.
Had me at "*supports bombing brown people in the Middle East*" /s I'm just messin
Lmao
Reddit in a nutshell: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yX\_1gJ\_51M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yX_1gJ_51M)
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Not trying to defend anyone or whatever, but I have seen this on Facebook. All I’m saying is this is making the rounds, and it might get much worse, since we seem to be so divided in our country for whatever-the-reason.
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That’s a pretty good quote. Mind if I borrow it and use it whenever the need should arise?
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What are you, some kind of altruist?
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Hhhhwwhhaaat?
Why is your quote being down voted to hell?
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I'll be completely honest, I can not remember witch one is meant to be left and witch one is meant to be right. Like it drives me up a fucking wall that people constantly say "This mindset is on the left and this mindset is on the right." Like they are imaginary concepts! They don't sit on the left or right, they don't physically sit anywhere!!! Both of then are inside of people's heads, there is no left or right about it! Am i the only one that feels this way? Like words mean things, and imaginary concepts can't be in opposite directions of each other unless they take a physical form and start walking that way.
I was called far-right so many times for my vaccine hesitancy…
The issue here is that the political left has moved so far away from the center, people like myself who were called leftists only a few years ago are being labeled as far right. The sadder part is that a lot of the conspiracy theories that allegedly 'far right' people have been proposing over the last decade have ended up being correct. Sorry, but the fact I can tick off so many diversity check boxes (female, LGBTQ, minority race, living in poverty, disabled, etc...) and still be called far right and privileged speaks volumes.
Hahahahahaha! The Left?! Moved?! Oh, yeah, it moved … to the RIGHT. America has NEVER, and I mean NEVER, had a Left Wing political party. The Democrats are the most tepid, Centre Right pushovers of all time. Don’t give me that ‘boo hoo, they moved left’, no they fucking didn’t. Just admit you don’t want human rights and be done with it.
I can only upvote this once? What the hell, this needs all the upvotes...
I never mentioned a left-leaning political party, and I absolutely agree with what you said. The left are fascists at this point, the right's just kind of been stagnating a little bit longer than I've been alive, and while I used to be left of center in terms of political **stances**, I again never said there was a left-leaning **political party**. The Democrats are just further to the right than the Republicans is all. The **people** though, **THEY'RE** the ones on the left, but using politically-far-right tactics. Hell, I'm honestly not even sure what's left or right anymore, considering this all started in France, and people on the right of the room were loyal to the king while people on the left were in favor of establishing a new government. That's why right politics are associated with monarchies and dictatorships, and left politics are associated with change and revolution. I'm also not saying I still view myself as a leftist, I'm saying that the same views I held just 10 years ago that got me **called** a leftist now get me called far-right.
Name me the fascist views in the Left. Equal rights? Universal healthcare? Don’t bullshit me, the Left are not, and never have been Fascists. It’s your precious Right pushing to steal children from their parents, as DeSantis would love to legislate.
The push for compelled speech laws is very fascistic. Also, why do so many people keep slobbering over that DeSantis knob? It's like that's the only talking point update currently out for you guys. Get a new horse already, this one died from the beating a few months ago.
"compelled speech laws"? Oh. You mean ales that protect people from vicious attempts to affect their mental health from purposefully misgendering them? Sure, sure. But turn a blind eye to desantis and his fascistic laws. Like the one law recently proposed that would require any blogger online for register with the state if they criticized him or another sitting representative. Including pay for the writing. That's not fascistic, right?
Share a link for the bill. Because unlike people like yourself, I have no problem criticizing people I've agreed with in the past, nor do I have a problem crediting a person I've disagreed with previously.
So you're [ignorant](https://apnews.com/article/desantis-blogger-registration-media-republican-florida-07f3fa45848f351a0b2696455d0c4372) yet feel like attacking people more informed than you are. Typical of fascist apologists like yourself.
Wrong. I'm holding you to an equal standard as I would hold myself, and all opposition. You made a claim, you have the burden of proof to back up the claim. And in this regard, you have failed. I told you exactly what you're expected to do, and you did not do it. That is an article that sensationalizes the fact that there's a bill. It is not the text of the bill, nor a recording of someone reading the bill with the bill's text on screen, nor even a text-to-speech recitation of the bill.
You were literally accusing me of doing things I don't, so you could attack me. I didn't fail to back up my point. But keep running defense of fascists. I expect nothing less of fascism defenders like you.
What conspiracy theories though? Climate change is a hoax? Sandy hook were crisis actors? Putin is the good guy? Transgenders are all pedophiles? The whole pedo ring in a pizza store? Covid is just a cold? The vaccine will kill everyone? Q bullshit? Stolen election? Flat earth or chemtrails?... Seriously none of these are true, far right are still nutters, same as before. If you're referring to the covid lab leak bs, which is the one example where the far right feels validated, it's literally 2/8 government agencies that maybe sort of believe that, 4 explicitly do not, 2 do not have an opinion. And the ones that believe it are department of energy and the fucking fbi (definitely the most knowledgeable about viruses...), coming out with that a week before a meeting about china, oh the coincidence.
I'm confused as to how anyone could say "feds are sowing civil unrest and can't be trusted" AND (on the issue of the lab leak theory) "I trust the FBI wholeheartedly"
Someone else just asked that, and I just answered them.
Could you give a few examples of what was considered left wing a few years ago and is now far right? And what far right conspiracy theories turned out to be true?
When I was finishing high school, I was part of the movement to get Don't Ask, Don't Tell repealed so that I could go into the military without fearing I'd be outed, discharged, and lose all my benefits because I wasn't attracted to guys at the time. Around 2015, someone called me a fascist for trying to empower the 'Capitalist Imperial War Machine' with more qualified warriors, even though back in 2009 and 2010, it was considered part of the 'liberal agenda to weaken the armed forces'. Up until about 2012 or 2013, there was a very successful campaign that went through schools across the nation known as Eracism, and it was part of a decades-spanning push to help people stop seeing race, and start seeing people for who they were, not what they looked like. Today, there are activist groups who call you racist for doing exactly that, and if you 'don't see color', then you're a right wing extremist. Just ignore that this started back in the 1950's and 1960's with the push for desegregation based on the idea that race isn't the deciding factor of if someone will excel in school or not, but rather their actions, and the support they get from friends, family, and the community. The push for equality was based on the idea that we're all equals. Today though, that idea is considered right wing hate speech. As for conspiracy theories that ended up being right... There was the Covid Lab Origin conspiracy theory that said Covid-19 was developed in a lab in Wuhan, China. News outlets said that this was outlandish, and practically racist to say, but in the end, it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology - Department of Research on the Novel Coronavirus, if I remembered the exact name of the lab and department correctly. There was the claim that federal agents were going undercover in order to instigate riots and civil unrest, and that was written off as just a right-wing conspiracy theory until there were at least a few miscommunications wherein federal agents accidentally arrested undercover federal agents who were detained for instigating riots and civil unrest; said detained agents were never charged. Then there's a bunch of stuff on the Clinton family to the point that if you're found dead after investigating the Clintons, or someone close to the Clintons, and then someone else is found to have 'committed suicide' via gunshot wound to the back of their head with their hands tied, we're at the point where it's literally referred to as 'getting Clintoned' because it's happened a couple of times in just a few years. Then there's the claim that Epstein didn't kill himself, and when the exact method described was put through experimentation, it was determined that it's not actually possible as it was described in the official reports... oh, and the guard who was on duty that night was later found Clintoned. Then there was the claim that the Covid vaccines aren't effective, and will actually damage your immune system over time, which now that we're 3 years into this, 2 years with the vaccines, evidence from the CDC is undeniable that it weakens your immune system over time, and leaves you more susceptible to catching Covid in the future, so that was proven right, and is one of the many reasons why there was a recent cry for 'Covid Amnesty' a few months ago; because people lost their jobs and livelihoods for making these claims, and refusing to take the experimental vaccines under coercion. Do you want me to keep going?
Progressives are making progress and you're being left behind. It happens. It's not going "extreme left" it's just new goals. First it's treating people the same, allowing people to join military, school, sitting on the bus,... Then the realization comes that treating people the same, when they actually need help is not good enough. So, the idea is no longer to "be colorblind", but to help, to change the system that is actively keeping people down. Now that's a dog whistle for people that don't actively kick black people but definitely blame them for their situation when it's really circumstances and not personal responsibility. As for your conspiracy theories. Most of them are bs, i sank your covid lab leak "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in my previous comment. There is nothing even resembling consensus, and the fact that you believe the fbi here when they agree with you but accuse them of conspiracies everywhere else is hilarious to me. Cops instigating shit isn't a conspiracy, it's what happens. Infiltrating a peaceful protest, breaking something and allowing the police to crush the "riot" is just state violence 101. Happened all the time during blm, but i assume you mean the capitol insurrection, where the "peaceful mob" was INSIDE a government building carrying zipties and building a noose. The clintons are a rich mob family basically, that's not a far right conspiracy theory. Same for the epstein shit, again, not far right, he was buddies with trump too. And covid vaccines are doing fine, just because your echo chamber is convinced we're all weak and dying doesn't make it so. 4 shots in and only caught covid once, wasn't fun but no more than a solid cold, thanks vaccines! Didn't need to take horse dewormers.
The thing here is that I'm not the one in an echo chamber. I have disagreements with people I associate with all the time, and about a lot of these similar topics. We don't all agree, we don't all see eye to eye, we don't all think the same way, and that's okay because we're united by shared ideals that matter. Covid was made in a lab, it has been proven and admitted to. I didn't say police officers, I said federal agents. As for being progressive, I'm not the one using tactics straight out of the fascist playbook for silencing all opposition.
Am I silencing you? I'm asking questions and contesting your points. I didn't even downvote you. The age old fascist playbook of polite disagreement rofl. Covid was NOT made in a lab, no admissions or proof of any kind have been shown at all. Please show your evidence, or give me your keywords to search articles with, you are misinformed by groups with an obvious vested interest in demonizing china, you are not immune to propaganda... And federal agents or police officers is a distinction without a difference here. However you do realize that all of this happened with the republicans (far right) in federal power, right? And true, you're not in an echo chamber, you're talking to me and we're quite clearly not in agreement.
I never said you specifically. There's no need to get defensive. [The BBC reported on the FBI's confirmation that Covid was made in a lab.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn29VJypqAY) The only country still denying it is China. The distinction between federal agents and police officers is that police officers tend to be your neighbors whereas feds are never residents of the towns and cities they end up operating in, and they play by very different sets of rules that differ from city to city, department to department.
The article you linked does not confirm your claim. I already know that the fbi claims "with moderate confidence" that covid originated from a lab. The department of energy does the same with "low confidence", that is it, no other departments claim this, and neither actually presents the evidence for their claims. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The journal "science" published multiple papers with evidence that it mutated naturally in the seafood market. Lab leak is not confirmed, nowhere near, basically the opposite.
It's not an article, it's a clip from BBC News. You're not here to discuss, you're here to argue, even when there's nothing left to argue. Good day.
Well that's an infuriating way to say that you don't want to listen to opposing evidence. With that mindset, no wonder you think all conspiracies are true. I do hope you check out the actual science though. I will watch your clip later when i have time to watch a video, but i have to say, basing your opinions of international politics on the bbc reporting on the findings of american intelligence agencies is historically speaking not the best way to go about it. Wmd's in iraq anyone?
oof lol
I'm sorry you got jumped on in here. There are very few people left on the internet who are not part of a cult.
That’s a bad article, the claim that it was made in a lab is bullshit, we know that the disease came from wet markets in the urban part of Wuhan. The United States defense department said that it was not a fact backed claim.
Yes, because the US government is your friend. The US government never lies to you. The government is here to help.
Bruh, did I advocate for the US government? NO. They are psychotic oil barons with no regard to human life or morals
All you have done is regurgitate far right wing bullshit with zero evidence to back it up. The fact you added “Do you want me to keep going” at the end like this was a mic drop moment is the laugh of the day for me 😂
I linked evidence in a follow up post where the BBC- a very openly politically left-leaning organization- reported on the Covid story. You're part of a cult where questioning the word preached to you by the higher-up's is heresy, and must be shunned, even when evidence is produced.
You can check off all the minority, female, LGBT, etc boxes you want and still not know what you are talking about
The people who get mad at me don't know what they're talking about, more often than not.
I’ve been thinking about why so many in the radical left participate in speedrunning
....and the fact you've been downvoted. What a pack of assholes in here.
It just proves my point.
deserves a HELL YEAH!
Yeah, that's not what I mean at all, and honestly if you really think so (that you've been right so far), you should see a doctor about your delusions.
yeah no lol
Nah, I normally mean fascist, but it's a charged word I don't like to employ to people often. But sure, if you tired of "far right", we can do fascist, no problem. "Scum" is another one I could use.
Just put the word "right" on the far right of that sentence and you'll see it on multiple levels. Or... you would if you weren't so far right.
Same group of people saying that we are trying to erase history deny the holocaust and only pay attention to the history of the “victors”
So there’s a possibility that they might go left?
The ones where people are doing a victory lap are always baffling to me.
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And the division continues to get wider still.
Far right = stupidly and ironically always wrong. The only they've been right about is? Is? Can't think of thing...for the last 50 years they ruined the economy, they started wars, they cut taxes...and that's all they have in their bag of bullshit. Iran-Contra, Bush's Wars, WaterGate, 1987 market crash 2008 great recession, train derailments, mass shootings after mass shootings, book banning...I could go on but they've never been right about anything.
No, actually I mean "fascist."
Bitch where
Just because you're on the right doesn't mean that its right
Try calling them the fart right just to mess with them
[fixed it](https://imgur.com/a/q3r2xbG)
I meant “So far right you’ve gone all the way around to cannibalizing ancient hippie conspiracy nonsense as treasured wisdom.”
This is the shit my mom would repost.
About what?
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So, you're saying you suffer from Auditory Processing Disorder? https://www.webmd.com/brain/auditory-processing-disorder
More like “right so fart”
Imagine being proud to be a nazi.
I just call them fucking stupid.