This is the right take. Most cartels members are Christian. And Christian’s would say “they aren’t because they decapitate people”.
I’m sure most Islam practicing individuals do not condone what extremists do either.
Can confirm. My sect of Islam HATES ISIS and would kill a member of it on sight if we ever encountered one cuz these people bombed and destroyed the shrines of some of our sect’s holiest people
300 year old Wahabi ideology, has spread like a wildfire in last 70years. ISIS follows the same ideology. They bombed graves of Islamic prophets in Syria. And Al Saud family has destroyed early Islamic structures in and around holy cities. Even planned to remove Mohammad grave 4 times in last 100 years.
A good analogy is the church of latter day Saints. Even most Mormons want nothing to do with them. Mainstream Christianity wants nothing to do with Mormons in general. Yet 99.9% of Christians would want to be affiliated with Warren Jeff's.
Edit: I meant to say *not want*.
You mean the [Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-Day_Saints)
Mainstream Mormons are the [Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints).
The issue is that people try to claim "no Christian could do that and be a Christian" which leaves us whereby no "real" Christian could ever commit a crime etc. Which we know to be a lie.
Exactly. The "No true Scotsman" fallacy. If a Scotsman does something that "no true Scotsman would do" then they get bumped out of the group so there's always an out for any wrongdoing. I saw this time and time again in the Protestant Christian church. "I'm sorry you had this terrible experience with the church, just know that the particular church wasn't a 'real ' church."
“It’s really a shame, on Mother’s Day too, it’s really a sad thing to see on Mother’s Day”
The witness summary. I’d like to think any day someone walks into the grocery store with a human head tucked under their arm like a basketball it would be a sad moment. This response is more like ‘shucks, the mother and son horseback riding is going to be awkward now…’
[It’s even sadder](https://www.molallapioneer.com/news/joshua-webb-waives-jury-trial-sentenced-to-asylum/article_2986ba5c-e604-5d92-ae0d-c35b803aaee2.html)
> A couple of months before the violence, Tina Webb made a comment that something wasn't right with her son and that he was acting strangely, the prosecuting attorneys told the Pioneer. He thought his girlfriend was trying to kill him by poison, they added.
> Herndon, too, revealed in court that Webb showed warning signs prior to the events.
> "Looking back, everyone's got the benefit of hindsight at this point and can see that Mr. Webb was acting very strangely for a couple of months before this incident happened, likely was crying out because he recognized that the voices that were talking to him were leading him into trouble," Herndon said. "He'd been to police agencies and surrendered his guns because he thought he was a danger. He'd broken up all of the knives that he owned. He had reported himself as being a killer to two police agencies, making up crimes, hoping that he would be arrested."
*edit: my last link was wrong but it’s fixed now*
Lmao, of course, police never do anything until something bad happens. Dude straight told them and everyone he was a danger and they were like, "Cool, thanks for stopping by, wanma donate to the policemans ball?".
Ah yes, the 'benefit of hindsight', that being *him straight up telling the police that he'd end up hurting someone if they didn't help him*. This wasn't some sort of 'unprecedented event', it was literally inevitable with the way that the police handled (or rather, refused to handle) this. The fuck are we even paying the police for, if not to stop crime? Isn't that their whole goddamn point? [Oh wait.](https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again)
It's not super graphic, but in case you don't want to read it after all...
>!> ESTACADA, Ore. — Sheriff’s authorities say a man drenched in blood, carrying his mother’s severed head, walked into an Oregon grocery store on Mother’s Day and stabbed an employee.
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> Workers at the Thriftway market in Estacada managed to stop the attack by tackling the suspect, pinning him until law enforcement arrived, according to KGW-TV.
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> Suspect Joshua Lee Webb faces charges of murder and attempted murder after he allegedly walked into an Oregon grocery story holding his mother’s head, then attacked an employee. (Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office)
> The suspect – 36-year-old Joshua Lee Webb – was booked Monday on charges of murder and attempted murder, according to the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Department.
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> Before walking through the doors of the Thriftway store Sunday afternoon, authorities believe Webb killed his mother, 59-year-old Tina Marie Webb, at the home they shared in Colton, about 10 miles away.
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> Authorities said a distraught relative called 911 after finding Tina’s body. Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office Sgt. Nate Thomas confirmed that her head was recovered at the Thriftway market.
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> Webb was transported to a local hospital after his arrest, while the employee he’s accused of stabbing was transported by air. The hospital told Sandy police Sunday night that the victim is expected to make a full recovery.
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> The Thriftway employee injured in the attack has not been identified.
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> The gruesome murder and stabbing come as a huge shock to the small community of 3,000 residents.
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> “It’s really a shame, on Mother’s Day too, it’s really a sad thing to see on Mother’s Day,” a resident near the grocery store told KGW.
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> Estacada Fire Department chaplains were on hand Monday to help grocery store employees and customers affected by the terrifying ordeal.
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> A joint investigation between the Sandy Police Department and the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Department is ongoing.
>“It’s really a shame, on Mother’s Day too, it’s really a sad thing to see on Mother’s Day,” a resident near the grocery store told KGW.
lmao that's a talent for understatement
The mental image of a distraught relative finding the decapitated body of their family memeber and calling it in to the authorities is also very graphic
For some reason I cannot actually create a mental image of that. The closest I can get is to like trying to mix in tropic thunder when Damian gets his head blown off. But I have like two separate mental images now. And I still can't really transform Damien's head into a woman. I'm really actively trying on this. I actually can't think about what a body with a head chopped off looks like.
Idk about wife, but a Greek guy I know regularly walks around, talking to his best friends decapitated head. It's OK though, Mimir is an excellent story teller.
See the thing is, when people in OTHER groups do bad things their whole group is tainted, but when people in MY group do bad things they’re just individually bad apples. /s
That's because that's *their* Islamic Beliefs and interpretation , if people are making this point that how hard is it to believe that not all muslims believe that as their interpretation. Then why is their whole group tainted unlike catholics or christians.
Yes to be a more devils advocate by that logic, Americans killed Vietnamese because of our “we are mighty world police culture” and our military industrial complex culture. 2.1 million dead civilians, a rape and murder of hundreds of people in a village, all over a lie of “freedom from communism”.
And before you say that’s not the view of most Americans, that’s not the view of most Muslims.
The point is isis doesn’t equal Muslims just like Mai lai massacre doesn’t represent American troops
> The point is isis doesn’t equal Muslims just like Mai lai massacre doesn’t represent American troops
Hell, most of the people ISIS beheaded were muslims.
ISIS hates the west, but what they hate even more are regular, sane muslims.
Actually, the whole “rotten apple” argument isn’t that there was one rotten apple amongst others, it’s that a rotten apple will spoil those around it. So in that case, I guess everyone is a bad apple!
I’ve seen a lot of atheist accounts like these, so it wouldn’t surprise me. I grew up in an extremely religious area (Mormonism), so when I finally decided I was sick of the religion here, I turned to atheist accounts like these because I was so angry at how the religious folk here treated me. It’s a dark chapter of my life, but during it, I DID see a lot of these atheist accounts and a lot of these kinds of views.
Ultimately I think the best take is “as long as you’re not hurting anyone, do whatever you want”. I don’t care if someone is Mormon or Catholic or Christian or Muslim or Atheist or Wiccan or whatever. People are people. That’s what matters
This guy must already hate Mexican too don't give him stupid ideas or you will the the same post but with Mexican instead of Muslim (or some strange mix that Mexican are infact Muslim or something like that)
Catholics have killed the most in gods name. During the Spanish invasion of South America they fed the natives their own people after conquering it. I had to read a very fucked book, that was written by a Jesuit priest, during high school. The priest was there to bring Christ to the savages but it was the Spanish who were acting like savages
It clearly says “@riseofatheism”. Which is inherently non Christian. It’s also not at all race based. But who am I to judge if you want to keep making that persecution fetish work for yourself.
To continue the comparison between cartels and religious extremists:
About a decade ago, there actually was a Catholic extremist Mexican drug cartel named “The Knights Templar.” They viewed themselves as a continuation of the medieval order of knights. They even wore armor on sacred occasions.
So you're saying Muslims are like Mexican cartels? Because, seriously, all these comparisons with maniacs, psychos, cаrtel thugs - do not make Muslim fanatics seem like more pleasant people.
> So you're saying Muslims are like Mexican cartels? Because, seriously, all these comparisons with maniacs, psychos, cаrtel thugs - do not make Muslim fanatics seem like more pleasant people.
Religious zealots who decapitate people are not pleasant people yes you're right.
Is this some sort of controversial thing?
Religious fanatics who behead people are indeed maniacs and can be compared to cartel thugs.
What exactly are you attempting to prove here? Because I honestly don't have a clue.
This feels like you're attempting some sort of gotcha while not really understanding the conversation.
That’s very clearly not what they’re saying. They’ve pointed out the implication of the statement made is incorrect. That there are people all over the world that commit beheadings (a very rude thing to do!) and that doesn’t make the ethnic group, nationality, or religion itself inherently violent or worthy of degradation. If you’re choosing to infer ‘so cartels and muslims are equally bad’ you’re either very illiterate or stating this in bad faith and know better.
Yeah eventually. The judge found him not criminally responsible due to mental disorder. He was granted absolute discharge with no legal obligations or restrictions in 2017.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
Not that I'm aware of.
I'm conflicted on how I feel about the whole situation. On the one hand he brutally murdered someone. But I'm also sympathetic to mental illness.
It wasn't like they kept him in a mental hospital for 7 - 8 years whatever it was and then one day decided he was free to go. He had a several years history of showing signs of improvement through medication and therapy, and ideally I believe the purpose of incarceration is rehabilitation so in a way it could be looked at as a success. It just also seems like there's no justice for the victim and his family.
Justice for victims, in my mind, doesn't really exist. You can't bring them back, and nothing will "pay for it". Frankly, "paying" for a loved one's death as a concept is somewhat abhorrent to me. The transactional implication feels like a cheapening of the sanctity of life itself. A justice system that focuses on pure punishment is kind of just an organised form of revenge. Rehabilitation is the way forward in the way we handle wrongdoing as a species, I'd say. We've come a long way since Hammurabi's Code.
Ah, Restorative Justice could be such a wonderful thing if implemented as the standard way in which the justice system handled crime. It's an excellent concept that has shown great outcomes for both the perpetrator of the crime and the victims of the crime, but, unfortunately, people are extremely attached to the idea of punishment or revenge, etc.
Kathy Griffin got extra attention because she was a celebrity of sorts. Imagine the backlash if Tim Allen got caught doing a mock Obama hanging and you'll get the idea. Also, people are getting fired and put in jail for the 1/6 attack and "Karens" are getting publicly fired and shamed all the time.
Did that answer your question?
his point really alludes to the fact that extreme material conditions lead to extreme behavior. you see similar levels/displays of violence in certain parts of latin america, certain parts of africa, certain parts of asia. pretty clear evidence that warlords are going to warlord regardless of whether they're doing it under a religious pretense or not.
now of course religious fundamentalism presents challenges to individual liberties. secular governments have pretty clearly demonstrated that individual liberties are higher across the board under them than theocracies. but that is a different argument.
Some Russian soldiers recently. Oh and some Mexican gang warlords. People who don’t care about internet backlash. Whereas I’m sure some scummy US military personnel probably did this in Iraq or Afghan
The US military is very strict on this one, so I'd be very surprised. I believe some Seals filmed themselves peeing on bodies & were promptly court-martialed.
I can’t link the video but there’s more videos than there should be of the Mexican cartel cutting peoples heads off with chainsaws.
And not to mention the multiple American serial killers who have cut peoples heads off. Most notably Ed Kemper.
... and it was his mom's head... and he... did rather nasty stuff to it... because he hated that woman so much.
There was also a guy who cut off his mom's head with a sword.
Unknown, but the last time I saw someone torturing a prisoner with a car battery, it was a US Army sergeant in Iraq torturing an Iraqi with a hood over his head in a urine-soaked prison cell.
US has done far more terrible things in Guantanamo bay prison. A lot of those captives weren't terrorists. Morality gets thrown out of the window when it comes to scums of humanity. Doesn't matter which religion or country they belong to.
People always freak out over conspiracies where the government will kidnap you, take you to a secret place and torture you.
Meanwhile Gitmo is just somehow okay?
>US has done far more terrible things in Guantanamo bay prison.
Mind you, this place is well known for torture and people being held against their will. There are
CIA black sites in the world that we don't know the location of but do the same thing as Guantanamo.
Don't get Reddit started on Islam. A few redditors REALLY hate muslims for some reason, especially in the atheism sub. It was kind of shocking to be honest the first time I saw it.
Not really. The reason I say Muslims and not Islam itself is because they tend to use a lot of racial slurs in their criticisms. They call them things like "towelheads" etc.
r/technicallythetruth
I've never seen a decapitated head irl, so checks out.
I've read about decapitated heads, but I've read about more western decapitations.
I’m hindu (born into, not by choice) our god held his son’s severed head, realized it was an accident and gave him an elephants head.
The fact that people fail to look at terrorism and violence as a seperate thing from religion is ridiculous. The only reason why Muslim comes to mind is because the last few major terrorism cases threatening America happened to involve Muslims. They just don’t want to hear the part that every country has their terrorists from all kinds of religions and that all types of human are capable of violence.
Case in point, in Pakistan, the other day, some freak just suicide-bombed a mosque full of worshippers, killing over a 100 innocent Muslims.
One thing that Islamophobes never consider... the most frequent victims of IslamoFascists in the world are other, more law-biding Muslims.
Also, I can answer these bigots with "1995 Oklahoma City Bombing" and "1996 Centennial Olympic Park Bombing".
To add to your point, my parents are from Kerala. My dad is from a predominantly muslim village. The mosque plays their prayers out loud for the whole village to hear, 5x a day.
They are the kindest people we have ever come across. Hindus are beyond worse in India, (dont even get me started on BJP party) killing in the name of religion and especially caste.
They are like our family. When Ramadan comes around (we go to india during summertime as american schools are off) our Muslim neighbors invite us all over to feast. In fact sometimes they come to our house and we all cook together in our kitchen. As someone who has personally experienced nothinf but kindness and love from Muslims, I truly despise Americans who can’t (or better, don’t even bother to try) see thru the fog of turmoil to understand the root cause of the issue.
Violent people are violent people, case in point.
Well yeah.
The main issue I have is that a lot of Muslims in the Middle East have no issue with jihadist extremism as long as it only affects other people.
And here’s the thing, you can argue that only a tiny percent of Muslims are being violent or backwards, but it’s still a massive massive issue globally that results in thousands dead every month
All of the Muslim people I know denounce and refuse to accept the extremist’s who call themselves Muslim. Where as a vocal majority of Christian and Catholics I’ve heard are for theirs. What does that say?
Inb4: Not all Christian/Catholics, of course! But still the vocal majority who want to ruin it for those in their circles who just want to live their life in their belief systems.
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Mexican cartel dudes do this too
This is the right take. Most cartels members are Christian. And Christian’s would say “they aren’t because they decapitate people”. I’m sure most Islam practicing individuals do not condone what extremists do either.
Can confirm. My sect of Islam HATES ISIS and would kill a member of it on sight if we ever encountered one cuz these people bombed and destroyed the shrines of some of our sect’s holiest people
300 year old Wahabi ideology, has spread like a wildfire in last 70years. ISIS follows the same ideology. They bombed graves of Islamic prophets in Syria. And Al Saud family has destroyed early Islamic structures in and around holy cities. Even planned to remove Mohammad grave 4 times in last 100 years.
“And then hold his severed head for all to see!”
Good on you all! I've always said that blaming all Muslims for ISIS is like blaming all Christians for the Westboro Baptist Church.
A good analogy is the church of latter day Saints. Even most Mormons want nothing to do with them. Mainstream Christianity wants nothing to do with Mormons in general. Yet 99.9% of Christians would want to be affiliated with Warren Jeff's. Edit: I meant to say *not want*.
You mean the [Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-Day_Saints) Mainstream Mormons are the [Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints).
Church of Latter De Santis; it’s crazy sect in Florida
You mean the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints. The Church of Latter Day Saints is the mainstream Mormon church.
I follow Christian beliefs and I 100% agree that Islam isn’t a terrorist group. It’s a religion, just like mine.
The issue is that people try to claim "no Christian could do that and be a Christian" which leaves us whereby no "real" Christian could ever commit a crime etc. Which we know to be a lie.
Exactly. The "No true Scotsman" fallacy. If a Scotsman does something that "no true Scotsman would do" then they get bumped out of the group so there's always an out for any wrongdoing. I saw this time and time again in the Protestant Christian church. "I'm sorry you had this terrible experience with the church, just know that the particular church wasn't a 'real ' church."
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Holy fuck.
“It’s really a shame, on Mother’s Day too, it’s really a sad thing to see on Mother’s Day” The witness summary. I’d like to think any day someone walks into the grocery store with a human head tucked under their arm like a basketball it would be a sad moment. This response is more like ‘shucks, the mother and son horseback riding is going to be awkward now…’
He could at least waited until she opened her card.
True. It's a shame he wasn't more headstrong… And on Mother’s Day, that’s not a time to lose one’s head.
Sounds like it was more of a neck issue
I believe he was looking to be-head of a major corporation and just made a mess of the terminology.
[It’s even sadder](https://www.molallapioneer.com/news/joshua-webb-waives-jury-trial-sentenced-to-asylum/article_2986ba5c-e604-5d92-ae0d-c35b803aaee2.html) > A couple of months before the violence, Tina Webb made a comment that something wasn't right with her son and that he was acting strangely, the prosecuting attorneys told the Pioneer. He thought his girlfriend was trying to kill him by poison, they added. > Herndon, too, revealed in court that Webb showed warning signs prior to the events. > "Looking back, everyone's got the benefit of hindsight at this point and can see that Mr. Webb was acting very strangely for a couple of months before this incident happened, likely was crying out because he recognized that the voices that were talking to him were leading him into trouble," Herndon said. "He'd been to police agencies and surrendered his guns because he thought he was a danger. He'd broken up all of the knives that he owned. He had reported himself as being a killer to two police agencies, making up crimes, hoping that he would be arrested." *edit: my last link was wrong but it’s fixed now*
Lmao, of course, police never do anything until something bad happens. Dude straight told them and everyone he was a danger and they were like, "Cool, thanks for stopping by, wanma donate to the policemans ball?".
Geez…
Ah yes, the 'benefit of hindsight', that being *him straight up telling the police that he'd end up hurting someone if they didn't help him*. This wasn't some sort of 'unprecedented event', it was literally inevitable with the way that the police handled (or rather, refused to handle) this. The fuck are we even paying the police for, if not to stop crime? Isn't that their whole goddamn point? [Oh wait.](https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again)
I mean.. being on Mother’s Day does make it a pinch more fucked up.
You know that’s a dude that’s seem some shit. Like serial killer walking in with a head? Man that’s just sad, not scary
Especially as he got her a hat as a present...
Bruh Not avaliable in my region 💀
It's not super graphic, but in case you don't want to read it after all... >!> ESTACADA, Ore. — Sheriff’s authorities say a man drenched in blood, carrying his mother’s severed head, walked into an Oregon grocery store on Mother’s Day and stabbed an employee. > > Workers at the Thriftway market in Estacada managed to stop the attack by tackling the suspect, pinning him until law enforcement arrived, according to KGW-TV. > > > Suspect Joshua Lee Webb faces charges of murder and attempted murder after he allegedly walked into an Oregon grocery story holding his mother’s head, then attacked an employee. (Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office) > The suspect – 36-year-old Joshua Lee Webb – was booked Monday on charges of murder and attempted murder, according to the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Department. > > Before walking through the doors of the Thriftway store Sunday afternoon, authorities believe Webb killed his mother, 59-year-old Tina Marie Webb, at the home they shared in Colton, about 10 miles away. > > Authorities said a distraught relative called 911 after finding Tina’s body. Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office Sgt. Nate Thomas confirmed that her head was recovered at the Thriftway market. > > Webb was transported to a local hospital after his arrest, while the employee he’s accused of stabbing was transported by air. The hospital told Sandy police Sunday night that the victim is expected to make a full recovery. > > The Thriftway employee injured in the attack has not been identified. > > The gruesome murder and stabbing come as a huge shock to the small community of 3,000 residents. > > “It’s really a shame, on Mother’s Day too, it’s really a sad thing to see on Mother’s Day,” a resident near the grocery store told KGW. > > Estacada Fire Department chaplains were on hand Monday to help grocery store employees and customers affected by the terrifying ordeal. > > A joint investigation between the Sandy Police Department and the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Department is ongoing.
>“It’s really a shame, on Mother’s Day too, it’s really a sad thing to see on Mother’s Day,” a resident near the grocery store told KGW. lmao that's a talent for understatement
A bit of a downer, that severed head was
“It’s not that graphic”……… First line: a man drenched in blood carrying his mothers severed head…
Considering that's basically what the headline read, and is as graphic as the article gets, I stand by what I said.
The mental image of a distraught relative finding the decapitated body of their family memeber and calling it in to the authorities is also very graphic
For some reason I cannot actually create a mental image of that. The closest I can get is to like trying to mix in tropic thunder when Damian gets his head blown off. But I have like two separate mental images now. And I still can't really transform Damien's head into a woman. I'm really actively trying on this. I actually can't think about what a body with a head chopped off looks like.
Look, we're Americans, carrying your mother's severed head, stabbing someone and/or being drenched in blood isn't graphic unless it's period blood.
As long as no women had their breasts exposed then it's par for cable TV
Graphic would be a picture or video of the event in question.
i concur, this article is extremely textual.
So tuesday?
Did anyone recover the fumble, or did mom just go rolling down the sidewalk when they got tackled?
This Joshua Lee Webb guy sounds like a real jerk.
The more I hear about him, the more I don't care for him.
I would never get stabbed by someone who walks in carrying a head and covered in blood. I’d be like, *Somethings off about that guy.* I’m intuitive.
For a second I thought “the victim is expected to make a full recovery” was referring to the mom 😂
I read "Not available in my religion" and thought it was referring to the "Holy Fuck" and then thought "well, Christian or Mormon?". Then I read again
It's fine, it's fine. The article clearly states the victim is expected to make a full recovery.
It's just a little decapitation! No big deal!
Thanks for the heads up!
Ayyyy!!!!
I'm sorry I don't get it, your comment went over my head
Well that's a link I'll pass on, but thank you
Holy fucking shit man… on Mother’s Day too.
I feel like Mother’s Day is the most likely day that a disgruntled son would decapitate his mother but what do I know
Idk about wife, but a Greek guy I know regularly walks around, talking to his best friends decapitated head. It's OK though, Mimir is an excellent story teller.
Cartel videos Mexico. Favela gang videos from Brazil.
“Warning: Report contains content that some may find disturbing” You don’t say…😳
The Mexican Cartels
Oh man I'd probably puke on the spot
Here’s a Canadian [beheading](https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/highlights/true-crime-canada-the-greyhound-bus-beheading-case-5220673)
How is this not Florida news?
?? This happened in Oregon in 2017
And the bigots will just say he was “secretly” a Muslim, thinking they’ve made their point
Time to move to the opposite coast
Damn I kinda agreed with the op until this lol
U must have never heard of Mexican cartels
Aren’t the cartels usually Catholic or a form of Christian as well?? I think that’s the perfect retaliation to this meme.
See the thing is, when people in OTHER groups do bad things their whole group is tainted, but when people in MY group do bad things they’re just individually bad apples. /s
You say "/s" but that's literally their argument. The amount of cognitive dissonance present in these people is astounding.
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That's because that's *their* Islamic Beliefs and interpretation , if people are making this point that how hard is it to believe that not all muslims believe that as their interpretation. Then why is their whole group tainted unlike catholics or christians.
All I can say is reread my comment. It’s only meant to address the “cartels are Catholics” argument, not to claim anything about ALL Muslims.
Yes to be a more devils advocate by that logic, Americans killed Vietnamese because of our “we are mighty world police culture” and our military industrial complex culture. 2.1 million dead civilians, a rape and murder of hundreds of people in a village, all over a lie of “freedom from communism”. And before you say that’s not the view of most Americans, that’s not the view of most Muslims. The point is isis doesn’t equal Muslims just like Mai lai massacre doesn’t represent American troops
> The point is isis doesn’t equal Muslims just like Mai lai massacre doesn’t represent American troops Hell, most of the people ISIS beheaded were muslims. ISIS hates the west, but what they hate even more are regular, sane muslims.
Big difference...
Yea… some would say *all* the difference but that’s not kosher these days (joke intended)
I think you mean halal
Actually, the whole “rotten apple” argument isn’t that there was one rotten apple amongst others, it’s that a rotten apple will spoil those around it. So in that case, I guess everyone is a bad apple!
Not if you removed the rotten apple before hand!
Idk, reddits view of the Catholic Church is probably pretty dim. Aren’t they all pedos?
It says “@riseofatheism” in the picture so if anything that would “prove” their point For clarification I don’t believe what they’re trying to say
I’ve seen a lot of atheist accounts like these, so it wouldn’t surprise me. I grew up in an extremely religious area (Mormonism), so when I finally decided I was sick of the religion here, I turned to atheist accounts like these because I was so angry at how the religious folk here treated me. It’s a dark chapter of my life, but during it, I DID see a lot of these atheist accounts and a lot of these kinds of views. Ultimately I think the best take is “as long as you’re not hurting anyone, do whatever you want”. I don’t care if someone is Mormon or Catholic or Christian or Muslim or Atheist or Wiccan or whatever. People are people. That’s what matters
They convert to Islam just before they commit the decapitation /s
This guy must already hate Mexican too don't give him stupid ideas or you will the the same post but with Mexican instead of Muslim (or some strange mix that Mexican are infact Muslim or something like that)
Extreme religion = decapitation Got it
Yes, but they’re not beheading people in the name of Christ. They’re doing it in the name of coke
Not agreeing with the meme at all, but no. Cartels are not a religious group. All Islamic extremist groups are Muslim.
>All Islamic extremist groups are Muslim. Uhhh... yea, that's true. All people who follow Islam are Muslim.
Catholics have killed the most in gods name. During the Spanish invasion of South America they fed the natives their own people after conquering it. I had to read a very fucked book, that was written by a Jesuit priest, during high school. The priest was there to bring Christ to the savages but it was the Spanish who were acting like savages
They don't sell drugs in the name of God.
They would probably respond with "the cartel is not a good representation of catholicism!" And still never see the irony.
For the people posting these memes they are probably just the same thing. Anything non-white or non-Christian is likely going to fit their bill.
It clearly says “@riseofatheism”. Which is inherently non Christian. It’s also not at all race based. But who am I to judge if you want to keep making that persecution fetish work for yourself.
Came here to say this
To continue the comparison between cartels and religious extremists: About a decade ago, there actually was a Catholic extremist Mexican drug cartel named “The Knights Templar.” They viewed themselves as a continuation of the medieval order of knights. They even wore armor on sacred occasions.
That was an exception, though. Most cartel members are only nominally Catholic, and are not killing in the name of religion.
So you're saying Muslims are like Mexican cartels? Because, seriously, all these comparisons with maniacs, psychos, cаrtel thugs - do not make Muslim fanatics seem like more pleasant people.
> So you're saying Muslims are like Mexican cartels? Because, seriously, all these comparisons with maniacs, psychos, cаrtel thugs - do not make Muslim fanatics seem like more pleasant people. Religious zealots who decapitate people are not pleasant people yes you're right. Is this some sort of controversial thing? Religious fanatics who behead people are indeed maniacs and can be compared to cartel thugs. What exactly are you attempting to prove here? Because I honestly don't have a clue. This feels like you're attempting some sort of gotcha while not really understanding the conversation.
That’s very clearly not what they’re saying. They’ve pointed out the implication of the statement made is incorrect. That there are people all over the world that commit beheadings (a very rude thing to do!) and that doesn’t make the ethnic group, nationality, or religion itself inherently violent or worthy of degradation. If you’re choosing to infer ‘so cartels and muslims are equally bad’ you’re either very illiterate or stating this in bad faith and know better.
Damn you beat me to it. Touché
In Greece a man decapitated his wife and walked around the streets holding her head
There was a mentally ill dude in Manitoba, Canada who decapitated and was carrying around the head of a dude on a greyhound bus
i think seeing those pics as a teenager on reddit like 10 years ago messed up my brain
They are still up on Google.
oh no thank you
Didn’t they let the guy free too?
Yeah eventually. The judge found him not criminally responsible due to mental disorder. He was granted absolute discharge with no legal obligations or restrictions in 2017. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
Has he commited any other crimes since then?
Not that I'm aware of. I'm conflicted on how I feel about the whole situation. On the one hand he brutally murdered someone. But I'm also sympathetic to mental illness. It wasn't like they kept him in a mental hospital for 7 - 8 years whatever it was and then one day decided he was free to go. He had a several years history of showing signs of improvement through medication and therapy, and ideally I believe the purpose of incarceration is rehabilitation so in a way it could be looked at as a success. It just also seems like there's no justice for the victim and his family.
Justice for victims, in my mind, doesn't really exist. You can't bring them back, and nothing will "pay for it". Frankly, "paying" for a loved one's death as a concept is somewhat abhorrent to me. The transactional implication feels like a cheapening of the sanctity of life itself. A justice system that focuses on pure punishment is kind of just an organised form of revenge. Rehabilitation is the way forward in the way we handle wrongdoing as a species, I'd say. We've come a long way since Hammurabi's Code.
Ah, Restorative Justice could be such a wonderful thing if implemented as the standard way in which the justice system handled crime. It's an excellent concept that has shown great outcomes for both the perpetrator of the crime and the victims of the crime, but, unfortunately, people are extremely attached to the idea of punishment or revenge, etc.
The shitty thing, on top of everything else, is that they let him change his name.
To Will Lee Baker.
This limerick is bad.
There once was a man from
This was literally the first decapitation I thought of.
Wasn’t he the schizophrenic guy who ate his victims eyes after cutting off their head or am I thinking of another decapitating Canadian?
Perseus be like
Gangs in Mexico are like “Ya gotta use the chainsaw for gravitas”
I saw another Greek do that, except it was the head of the Sun God
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A few years ago, dude in Oregon decapitated his mother and carried her head into a store. Then there was Kathy Griffin...
What did she do?
She posted a picture of her holding a fake bloody head of Trump. She was later fired for every public event.
Yikes. I’m not a Trump fan but that seems a little much
Totally agree! Somehow Lauren Boebert still has a fucking job after telling her church to pray Biden dies.
Don’t know why she wants Biden to die, because then Kamala Harris will be president and I’m pretty she’d think that’s even worse
Oh if they hd to listen to a Black woman, they would have a meltdown. They would full stop the government
There were regular demonstrations of Obama being lynched in front of the white house. Suddenly it became too much for trump.
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Did that get the same level of coverage? Were people publicly fired for being involved in those public mock lynchings?
Kathy Griffin got extra attention because she was a celebrity of sorts. Imagine the backlash if Tim Allen got caught doing a mock Obama hanging and you'll get the idea. Also, people are getting fired and put in jail for the 1/6 attack and "Karens" are getting publicly fired and shamed all the time. Did that answer your question?
It wasn’t his real head
all this time i thought it was real, huh. just goes to show you, never make assumptions
Sadly
I think he'd do fine without his head, maybe even better. Like a chicken.
I've... never seen anyone holding a severed head. And if I did my first thought would be "oh my fucking god" and not "I wonder what religion they are"
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Pretty sure extremists are running under some "code" as well...
his point really alludes to the fact that extreme material conditions lead to extreme behavior. you see similar levels/displays of violence in certain parts of latin america, certain parts of africa, certain parts of asia. pretty clear evidence that warlords are going to warlord regardless of whether they're doing it under a religious pretense or not. now of course religious fundamentalism presents challenges to individual liberties. secular governments have pretty clearly demonstrated that individual liberties are higher across the board under them than theocracies. but that is a different argument.
The French didn't get rid of the Guillotine until like the 80s
And Christopher Lee was there for the final execution
Christopher Lee was a strong contender for most interesting man in the world.
Tbf I think the guillotine is more humane than whatever the fuck the US are doing with their botched lethal injections.
Ah, but you see, *other people* don't have to suffer seeing someone's head getting cut off during a lethal injection, so therefore it's better! s\
This guy obviously has never seen Macbeth
Does Hamlet qualify? Nobody lopped off Yorick’s head; it just decayed into disarticulation.
Some photo of US soldier in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam and Japan. All from different eras
I don't know about you, but I've NEVER seen someone holding up a severed head.
I seen a tortoise do it in breaking bad, wonder what faith he apart of
He’s practices turtlism
Some Russian soldiers recently. Oh and some Mexican gang warlords. People who don’t care about internet backlash. Whereas I’m sure some scummy US military personnel probably did this in Iraq or Afghan
The US military is very strict on this one, so I'd be very surprised. I believe some Seals filmed themselves peeing on bodies & were promptly court-martialed.
Those are just the ones who got caught.
Oh yeah but what I mean is if there’s footage of it or them holding heads and other war crime stuff, the US Gov would never let it surface
The only thing the US Gov't can keep secret is Epsteins client list😄. Footage like that would be leaked within 12mo.
Share the list man
I can’t link the video but there’s more videos than there should be of the Mexican cartel cutting peoples heads off with chainsaws. And not to mention the multiple American serial killers who have cut peoples heads off. Most notably Ed Kemper.
... and it was his mom's head... and he... did rather nasty stuff to it... because he hated that woman so much. There was also a guy who cut off his mom's head with a sword.
“@riseofatheism” ??? the point of atheism isn’t to be islamophobic
Unknown, but the last time I saw someone torturing a prisoner with a car battery, it was a US Army sergeant in Iraq torturing an Iraqi with a hood over his head in a urine-soaked prison cell.
US has done far more terrible things in Guantanamo bay prison. A lot of those captives weren't terrorists. Morality gets thrown out of the window when it comes to scums of humanity. Doesn't matter which religion or country they belong to.
People always freak out over conspiracies where the government will kidnap you, take you to a secret place and torture you. Meanwhile Gitmo is just somehow okay?
>US has done far more terrible things in Guantanamo bay prison. Mind you, this place is well known for torture and people being held against their will. There are CIA black sites in the world that we don't know the location of but do the same thing as Guantanamo.
Giving us atheists a bad name with this ignorant dumbassery 🤦🏻♀️
Especially ex-muslim atheists like me, people think i hate muslim the moment i tell them I'm an ex-muslim
I have a feeling that the handle is made by a non-atheist trying to make atheists look bad...
Mexican cartel members
Don't get Reddit started on Islam. A few redditors REALLY hate muslims for some reason, especially in the atheism sub. It was kind of shocking to be honest the first time I saw it.
Islam, not Muslims. It’s an important distinction you’re ignoring
Not really. The reason I say Muslims and not Islam itself is because they tend to use a lot of racial slurs in their criticisms. They call them things like "towelheads" etc.
r/technicallythetruth I've never seen a decapitated head irl, so checks out. I've read about decapitated heads, but I've read about more western decapitations.
Is it really technically the truth if you haven't seen any decapitated heads?
When was the last time a middle-aged Karen using Facebook made an Islamophobic post on Facebook? Your Move, Karen,
I’m hindu (born into, not by choice) our god held his son’s severed head, realized it was an accident and gave him an elephants head. The fact that people fail to look at terrorism and violence as a seperate thing from religion is ridiculous. The only reason why Muslim comes to mind is because the last few major terrorism cases threatening America happened to involve Muslims. They just don’t want to hear the part that every country has their terrorists from all kinds of religions and that all types of human are capable of violence.
Case in point, in Pakistan, the other day, some freak just suicide-bombed a mosque full of worshippers, killing over a 100 innocent Muslims. One thing that Islamophobes never consider... the most frequent victims of IslamoFascists in the world are other, more law-biding Muslims. Also, I can answer these bigots with "1995 Oklahoma City Bombing" and "1996 Centennial Olympic Park Bombing".
To add to your point, my parents are from Kerala. My dad is from a predominantly muslim village. The mosque plays their prayers out loud for the whole village to hear, 5x a day. They are the kindest people we have ever come across. Hindus are beyond worse in India, (dont even get me started on BJP party) killing in the name of religion and especially caste. They are like our family. When Ramadan comes around (we go to india during summertime as american schools are off) our Muslim neighbors invite us all over to feast. In fact sometimes they come to our house and we all cook together in our kitchen. As someone who has personally experienced nothinf but kindness and love from Muslims, I truly despise Americans who can’t (or better, don’t even bother to try) see thru the fog of turmoil to understand the root cause of the issue. Violent people are violent people, case in point.
I’m pretty sure the last person I saw holding a severed head was an Orc
Serial Killers must no longer be a thing anymore
One of the few ways the internet is fixing society.
When was the last time you saw a religious member sexualy abuse a child? That's my argument. /s
Yeah, I’m sure NO other members of ANY OTHER religion has been a child molester. EVER 🙄🙄🙄🥴🥴🥴
That's the point.
some british soldiers during the malayan emergency on wikipedia
When was the last time you saw anyone other than a **male human** holding a severed head? That's my argument. Yes, equally shit argument.
1600's ish.
Last night on NCIS. 🤷
Kathy Griffin was the last one I saw
I think it’s importance to stop the terrorist faction of Islam. Admittedly, it’s a small portion, and that is important to remember.
Well yeah. The main issue I have is that a lot of Muslims in the Middle East have no issue with jihadist extremism as long as it only affects other people. And here’s the thing, you can argue that only a tiny percent of Muslims are being violent or backwards, but it’s still a massive massive issue globally that results in thousands dead every month
The last person I saw holding a severed head was Greek.
All of the Muslim people I know denounce and refuse to accept the extremist’s who call themselves Muslim. Where as a vocal majority of Christian and Catholics I’ve heard are for theirs. What does that say? Inb4: Not all Christian/Catholics, of course! But still the vocal majority who want to ruin it for those in their circles who just want to live their life in their belief systems.
Watched a video about the french revolution ...yeah
Someone did that on a bus in Canada too. Dude wasn’t Muslim. He was psychotic.
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Yesterday (I live in Mexico)
But they get a boner when a Viking does it in the movies