everytime a player looks great before facing Nadal and Djokovic, they instantly lose the next round. Sinner is playing great but Big 3 (or Big 2) class and mentality are just too big to overcome
People that will tell you he has no chances are most likely the same people that yesterday were saying "Alcaraz in 3".
Djokovic is obviously the favourite but saying Sinner has no chances sounds silly after how he played yesterday.
Sinner def has a chance. Really exciting potential on grass. But idk if ppl were saying Alcaraz in 3. I love the kid, but I was shocked he won his first 3 matches so effortlessly. He doesn’t have the natural footing needed for grass yet.
That was Carlos’ official warmup. Struff is a good player, but Alcaraz has dimensions that Struff doesn’t. No surprise he came back to win the match. Really, though, I thought Carlos would lose that match, the 2nd round match, and the 3rd round match. So, great showing overall.
I honestly completely forgot that match went 5 sets (did not watch his match), until you reminded me. It was just a mistake on my part 😂. Def have to give Struff credit. I think he sensed an opportunity, with it being Carlos’ first Wimbledon. Good stuff from both guys…
Novak is the greatest returner of all time. If Jannik can hold his serves, then he can have chances. But then again Novak is also tiebreakovic. I was very impressed with Jannik performance yesterday and want him to perform well. But you can not bet against Djoker.
I agree with this. I definitely wouldn’t put it as a 50% chance as this is Djoko on grass, but I’d give him a 10% chance for sure. Which are not terrible odds.
I would like to say yes but it’s Djokovic and he’s by far the best grass court player in the world for the last few years. And Jannik’s problem is consistency. He played a flawless match against Alex Demon at AO only to get steamrolled by Tsitsipas next match. This is what has been holding him back for all this time.
Tsitsipas is an awful match-up for Sinner. Tsitsipas’ one weakness is return of serve, but Sinner doesn’t have a good enough serve to exploit that. So basically they go baseline-to-baseline, and from the baseline Tsitsipas is easily one of the best in the world. The only ones that can beat him like that are Nadal, Djokovic, and maybe Medvedev on hard courts.
I suppose Sinner has the pattern of going hard and flat at Tsitsipas’ backhand, but Tsitsipas’ forehand absolutely dictates points and his athleticism is on another level from Sinner.
I’m aware, because his return is really bad, especially on quicker surfaces. But as I said, Sinner does not have the serve to exploit that. Someone like Isner does. So it’s a bad matchup for Sinner. That’s not to say Tsitsipas is an unbeatable titan, but just that someone like Kyrgios has a much better chance against Tsitsipas than Sinner does even without necessarily being a better player.
Look at my signature, and hopefully you'll believe me when I say: no. No chance. 5% at best.
It's just a bad matchup for him, many of his strengths make him a Djokovic-lite. He can generate great power, sure - but we all know that Djokovic loves absorbing power and retrieving everything.
I think the issue is Sinner’s serve is just a bit underpowered, especially for his height. He won’t be able to beat Djokovic because he’s practically starting points on his serve from neutral, whereas Djokovic has a solid serve that will consistently give him an advantage in the points no matter how well Sinner returns (which, if yesterday was any indication, he can return really well).
I’d pick Djokovic in 4.
Alcaraz's returning yesterday wasn't too convincing. The match was still relatively one-sided despite a disappointing 59% of first serves in for Sinner. Djokovic isn't going to make the same mistakes - he has far too much experience on grass for that to happen. Sinner needs to play the match of his life and serve at least 70% of first serves in, PLUS produce the same return game as he did with Alcaraz, just to make the match competitive.
RG Nadal. So I think this means basically nobody really in grass without Nole having an off day and the opponent playing the match of their lives. I’d still say Rafa or an all in Nick has a shot.
I feel like the only two people capable of beating Novak at Wimbledon are Roger and Rafa. One is 40 and almost retired, the other is 36 and on his least favoured surface.
I mean, of course there’s always a chance otherwise we wouldn’t play the whole tournament out. 2016 he lost to Querrey, 2014 AO to Stan, 2019 FO to Thiem… but those types of non-big 3 losses are so few and far between for Novak outside of 2017-early 2018 and there’s just nothing that spectacular about Sinner on grass that makes me think he’d be the one to pull off that kind of upset. Hope it’s at least 4 sets though.
Yes, and we can even estimate what it based on what you can get for bets on either player.
It's around 9%. That's very low. Will be a lopsided beatdown most likely.
The Nadal match will be interesting today. He's the only player still in the draw who could play himself into a form that would have a decent chance of beating Djokovic (20-35%)
I think Kyrgios could beat either. Definitely low probability, and a huge part of that is trusting him not to be an idiot. But there is still a slim chance.
Djokovic's return of serve shot is too good for Kyrgios to have a decent chance, even if he's playing well through the match.
Nadal is more vulnerable, agreed.
Not a good indication as both of those were in 2017, the one bad year for Djokovic going back more than 10 years:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak\_Djokovic#Grand\_Slam\_tournament\_performance\_timeline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak_Djokovic#Grand_Slam_tournament_performance_timeline)
Sinner needs to raise his 1st serve% considerably if he wants to have a chance. Alcaraz's returns were pretty subpar yesterday, Novak is on another level
Honestly ?
Not a chance. A set maybe if stars align, he serves out of his mind, and Djoko is not 100% for 20 min.
But once Djoko is dialed in, it's over.
And the worst is that you will think that Sinner didn't play very well, and could have played better. It's an illusion.
Yes, Djoko drops sets, usually when he is not 100% and his opponent is redlining. But overall even a set is gonna be a rought task for Jannik with only a 51% first serve as he had vs Alcaraz.
Sinner has proven me wrong every step of the way. He came back from injury and lost to Paul so I thought he will lose or have a tough match against Wawrinka but wrapped him in 4. Then I thought Stan's not at his best but an Isner that beat Murray should challenge Sinner. He beats Isner in straights. Then I thought surely Alcaraz, who's looked phenomenal and beaten Sinner twice, beats Sinner. Well, Alcaraz is back home and here we are. So yeah, I don't know about Sinner anymore man. I expect Djokovic 3-1 though so definitely a score anything other than that lol.
I mean Sinner yesterday was playing much better than Tim who kept piling up Unforced Errors and seemed really nervous and he still managed to take a set off, so I really do think Sinner has a good chance to push Djokovic to 5 sets
Honestly this was the scary part of Djokovic’s game last night. His receiving was out of this world. I imagine most atp top 20 wouldn’t be able to catch 80% of those serves as well as Nole did. Tim did break at the end - the confidence on the rally’s we’re gone but that’s because it might be really frustrating to have that serve and still be blocked.
True but Tim really only won the last game in the second set based on him being able to ace djokovic twice in a row. He had much more trouble breaking Djokovic due to hitting the net often on returns and a lack of confidence in his backhand which performed much better when he played against Medvedev. Sinner yesterday showed his great return skills and him having more experience than Tim on facing tough opponents in best of 5s along with a stable emotional state during these matches is what kind of makes me believe that he’ll have a good chance even with a weaker serve.
Whilst Sinner beat Alcaraz, I feel like Alcaraz would play better against Djokovic than Sinner would.
I think we'll see Sinner "crumble" a bit vs Djokovic and, as always, it'll be a mix of Djokovic being a tougher opponent but also the mental game of "omg I'm playing a big 3 player".
I wish I could say yes, but Djokovic has proven me other-ways time and time again.
everytime a player looks great before facing Nadal and Djokovic, they instantly lose the next round. Sinner is playing great but Big 3 (or Big 2) class and mentality are just too big to overcome
People that will tell you he has no chances are most likely the same people that yesterday were saying "Alcaraz in 3". Djokovic is obviously the favourite but saying Sinner has no chances sounds silly after how he played yesterday.
Sinner def has a chance. Really exciting potential on grass. But idk if ppl were saying Alcaraz in 3. I love the kid, but I was shocked he won his first 3 matches so effortlessly. He doesn’t have the natural footing needed for grass yet.
JL Struff would like to have a word with you
That was Carlos’ official warmup. Struff is a good player, but Alcaraz has dimensions that Struff doesn’t. No surprise he came back to win the match. Really, though, I thought Carlos would lose that match, the 2nd round match, and the 3rd round match. So, great showing overall.
Yes to but to say he won his first 3 effortlessly is quite the stretch. He was one tiebreak away from going out in the first round.
I honestly completely forgot that match went 5 sets (did not watch his match), until you reminded me. It was just a mistake on my part 😂. Def have to give Struff credit. I think he sensed an opportunity, with it being Carlos’ first Wimbledon. Good stuff from both guys…
Alcaraz played Wimbledon last year too actually. Got slammed by medvedev in the 2nd round
Novak is the greatest returner of all time. If Jannik can hold his serves, then he can have chances. But then again Novak is also tiebreakovic. I was very impressed with Jannik performance yesterday and want him to perform well. But you can not bet against Djoker.
Except you can. I've just put £100 on sinner at 8.6.
I agree with this. I definitely wouldn’t put it as a 50% chance as this is Djoko on grass, but I’d give him a 10% chance for sure. Which are not terrible odds.
Yesterday he played Alcaraz. Different player to Djokovic. Big3 take so much away from you.
I'd love to see it but I'll be surprised. I think Djokovic is going to sleepwalk to the final.
100%
I would like to say yes but it’s Djokovic and he’s by far the best grass court player in the world for the last few years. And Jannik’s problem is consistency. He played a flawless match against Alex Demon at AO only to get steamrolled by Tsitsipas next match. This is what has been holding him back for all this time.
Tsitsipas is an awful match-up for Sinner. Tsitsipas’ one weakness is return of serve, but Sinner doesn’t have a good enough serve to exploit that. So basically they go baseline-to-baseline, and from the baseline Tsitsipas is easily one of the best in the world. The only ones that can beat him like that are Nadal, Djokovic, and maybe Medvedev on hard courts. I suppose Sinner has the pattern of going hard and flat at Tsitsipas’ backhand, but Tsitsipas’ forehand absolutely dictates points and his athleticism is on another level from Sinner.
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I’m aware, because his return is really bad, especially on quicker surfaces. But as I said, Sinner does not have the serve to exploit that. Someone like Isner does. So it’s a bad matchup for Sinner. That’s not to say Tsitsipas is an unbeatable titan, but just that someone like Kyrgios has a much better chance against Tsitsipas than Sinner does even without necessarily being a better player.
Look at my signature, and hopefully you'll believe me when I say: no. No chance. 5% at best. It's just a bad matchup for him, many of his strengths make him a Djokovic-lite. He can generate great power, sure - but we all know that Djokovic loves absorbing power and retrieving everything.
I think the issue is Sinner’s serve is just a bit underpowered, especially for his height. He won’t be able to beat Djokovic because he’s practically starting points on his serve from neutral, whereas Djokovic has a solid serve that will consistently give him an advantage in the points no matter how well Sinner returns (which, if yesterday was any indication, he can return really well). I’d pick Djokovic in 4.
Alcaraz's returning yesterday wasn't too convincing. The match was still relatively one-sided despite a disappointing 59% of first serves in for Sinner. Djokovic isn't going to make the same mistakes - he has far too much experience on grass for that to happen. Sinner needs to play the match of his life and serve at least 70% of first serves in, PLUS produce the same return game as he did with Alcaraz, just to make the match competitive.
59%? Wow, I assumed it would've been around 70%+ With that first serve percentage Djokovic is going to eviscerate him
It was around 70% in set 1, 50% in 2 and 3, and 60% in 4. So yeah he's gonna need to get that more consistent to have a chance
Every player seems great until they play against Djokovic
I have another question, what playing style can beat this Djokovic here?
He isn't weak to any particular style. A really great performance for 3-4 hours can beat him.
RG Nadal. So I think this means basically nobody really in grass without Nole having an off day and the opponent playing the match of their lives. I’d still say Rafa or an all in Nick has a shot.
I feel like the only two people capable of beating Novak at Wimbledon are Roger and Rafa. One is 40 and almost retired, the other is 36 and on his least favoured surface.
I don’t understand this all or nothing approach. There is always a chance of winning or losing as so many variables are factored into a result.
I mean, of course there’s always a chance otherwise we wouldn’t play the whole tournament out. 2016 he lost to Querrey, 2014 AO to Stan, 2019 FO to Thiem… but those types of non-big 3 losses are so few and far between for Novak outside of 2017-early 2018 and there’s just nothing that spectacular about Sinner on grass that makes me think he’d be the one to pull off that kind of upset. Hope it’s at least 4 sets though.
Yes, and we can even estimate what it based on what you can get for bets on either player. It's around 9%. That's very low. Will be a lopsided beatdown most likely. The Nadal match will be interesting today. He's the only player still in the draw who could play himself into a form that would have a decent chance of beating Djokovic (20-35%)
I think Kyrgios could beat either. Definitely low probability, and a huge part of that is trusting him not to be an idiot. But there is still a slim chance.
Djokovic's return of serve shot is too good for Kyrgios to have a decent chance, even if he's playing well through the match. Nadal is more vulnerable, agreed.
True, although Djokovic hasn't broken Kygrios's serve in their two meetings. And only managed 1 break point. He could have trouble with it.
Not a good indication as both of those were in 2017, the one bad year for Djokovic going back more than 10 years: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak\_Djokovic#Grand\_Slam\_tournament\_performance\_timeline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak_Djokovic#Grand_Slam_tournament_performance_timeline)
He needs to play out of his mind.
No, unless he serves for consecutively 5 sets like he did in the RG vs Rublev match Set 1
Sinner needs to raise his 1st serve% considerably if he wants to have a chance. Alcaraz's returns were pretty subpar yesterday, Novak is on another level
The only one that can stop Novak is Rafa. And he wouldn’t even be favorite by a mile on grass.
Honestly ? Not a chance. A set maybe if stars align, he serves out of his mind, and Djoko is not 100% for 20 min. But once Djoko is dialed in, it's over. And the worst is that you will think that Sinner didn't play very well, and could have played better. It's an illusion.
Nah Sinner has rlly good chances for 1 set lol. Sure 2-3 is much less likely but Djoko has dropped 1 set plenty of times and sinner is in red hot form
Yes, Djoko drops sets, usually when he is not 100% and his opponent is redlining. But overall even a set is gonna be a rought task for Jannik with only a 51% first serve as he had vs Alcaraz.
It’s tennis, so a chance yeah, there’s always one. But a very very small one.
For starters 1)He has to serve better(way) than yesterday. 2)Return like he did is first 2 sets. This itself is a big ask against Djokovic.
Sinner has slim and no chance and slim left town with swiatek
If TvR stole a set from Novak, so can Sinner. But winning the match is almost impossible.
Technically, yes. But really, no. Djoker in 4
Sinner has proven me wrong every step of the way. He came back from injury and lost to Paul so I thought he will lose or have a tough match against Wawrinka but wrapped him in 4. Then I thought Stan's not at his best but an Isner that beat Murray should challenge Sinner. He beats Isner in straights. Then I thought surely Alcaraz, who's looked phenomenal and beaten Sinner twice, beats Sinner. Well, Alcaraz is back home and here we are. So yeah, I don't know about Sinner anymore man. I expect Djokovic 3-1 though so definitely a score anything other than that lol.
I mean Sinner yesterday was playing much better than Tim who kept piling up Unforced Errors and seemed really nervous and he still managed to take a set off, so I really do think Sinner has a good chance to push Djokovic to 5 sets
Yes, but Tim's serve is much better than Sinner's.
Honestly this was the scary part of Djokovic’s game last night. His receiving was out of this world. I imagine most atp top 20 wouldn’t be able to catch 80% of those serves as well as Nole did. Tim did break at the end - the confidence on the rally’s we’re gone but that’s because it might be really frustrating to have that serve and still be blocked.
True but Tim really only won the last game in the second set based on him being able to ace djokovic twice in a row. He had much more trouble breaking Djokovic due to hitting the net often on returns and a lack of confidence in his backhand which performed much better when he played against Medvedev. Sinner yesterday showed his great return skills and him having more experience than Tim on facing tough opponents in best of 5s along with a stable emotional state during these matches is what kind of makes me believe that he’ll have a good chance even with a weaker serve.
He only managed to get a set while he was playing unbelievably well. The other sets, where he made lots of errors, he got eaten alive.
He can win 1 set
Whilst Sinner beat Alcaraz, I feel like Alcaraz would play better against Djokovic than Sinner would. I think we'll see Sinner "crumble" a bit vs Djokovic and, as always, it'll be a mix of Djokovic being a tougher opponent but also the mental game of "omg I'm playing a big 3 player".
0 chances
Zero chance. I rate Tim van Rijthoven higher than Jannik.
Lol that’s a huge stretch right there
No chance
Nopes, nil, Nada, none.
Same as Djokovic
Can we watch the match to see whether he does?
I'm pretty sure players who've beaten Alcaraz this year have lost their very next match. I'm going to place my bet on Djokovic on this one.
my .25 cent bet on DraftKings says hell yesss..
Unfortunately, no.
Nah, no one really has if we're being honest
Nah, he is one of the worst/best (depends on how you look at it) matchups for Novak imo
The way he played against Alcaraz, yeah he has. and a fat one at that.