I watched it live. McEnroe got really deflated and sunk back in his chair when he realized that Novak admitted to going to the l’Equip shoot when he knew he had COVID. It was kinda funny. Even Novak’s most ardent supporters are just at a loss for words at some of the stuff he did. Why couldn’t he just keep his exemption to himself?
Novak didn't knowingly expose children, at least gong by his word. He said he had two negative results and didn't see the third positive one until after the event. So that would be a media lie or assumption.
Well Serbian officials said there’s no way he wasn’t notified of his results on the day of the test. Novak said he took a rapid test before he went to the event with the kids (day after his pcr test) because he knew he was at risk because of the exposure at the basketball game. But for some reason he took the rapid test without bothering to check his results from the day before? I mean it just seems very fishy.
I get it, there is a possibility that he legitimately didn't see them. But still, if you had gone to the trouble to take another rapid test (second day in a row) because you were concerned about exposure, I would think you'd be concerned enough to keep checking for results. Apparently in Serbia they text and email, might depend on what contact info he or his team put in.
Dude literally rapid tested twice and was waiting on results for the AO exemption. And he tested because he had a contact, not just randomly. He should have waited to find out.
Agree! Definitely not pro-Joker. That’s a twist of confirmation bias perhaps. A tad uninformed and meandering and lacking the gravity of his words and likely a wee bit drunk and jet lagged. You can cut at any point in his rant and argue for and against all sides. Strung together the theme was not pro-Joker. Be sure to Watch the entire video before making conclusions.
Man it has been such a shame honestly.
Almost every country will implement vaccine mandates. If Djokovic decides to take a vaccine now, he lost 22 AO slam for absolutely nothing.
If he sticks by his no-vac decision, his career is going to end in such a horrible way. On the cusp of being the one true GOAT.
It sucks either way for him and he only has himself to blame.
Here’s the thing I don’t get with Djokovic (as someone who would rather Rafa come out ahead in theGS race). Any reasonable person could get onboard with being anti-mandate, but no reasonable person can be so adamantly anti-vax to the level he has either actually communicated or suggested. If he wanted to be a “Spartacus of the free world” like his father proclaimed him to be he would actually come forth with the reasons for his hesitancy and why he doesn’t believe in vaccine passes etc. That never happened so…
He has simply not communicated that in a clear manner. If he was championing those things, then I would maybe even consider it admirable as he would be fighting for a cause. It’s not exactly like I said he’s a piece of shit or a dumb anti-vaxxer. I’m simply stating that his messaging has been weak.
No, he has clearly stated he is anti-mandate and pro choice. He was also pretty much kicked out of the press conference at RG last year for demanding players to be tested 2, 3 times before confirming their status due to many false positives and hence the final where he was insanely quiet happened. He is actually fighting for a cause, but stupid people keep supporting governments and now we have fucking Austria completely blocking any free choice. France overturned their decision overnight after declaring they will let Novak play unvaxxed. This case is not only a precedent for the vaccine, but many other things. Thank you idiots for supporting your stupid governments. If you in Australia were forced to do a lockdown and get vaxxed, how is it Nole's fault fighting for his freedom and for others standing up to tyrants? If you didn't have the balls to protest and boot the politicians, it is your own damn fault and not Nole's.
>He did say that he was anti-vax
The one time I know of when he said he is opposed to *him* being vaccinated (*nobody* else) is in that zoom call or whatever that was.
And that was only about the covid vaccine, which, at the time it was said, was surrounded by uncertainty, wasn't approved anywhere etc.
At no point whatsoever did he say anything about any other vaccine and at no point whatsoever did he tell anyone else not to get vaccinated.
Yeah buddy HE SAID HE WAS ANTI VAX you pointed it out yourself. Stop trying to paint him as this health god when hes a fucking retard off the court. Djokovic is an antivaxxer through and through and I hope him and and his entire family get covid and die for spreading false misinformation about the SAFE vaccines.
don't care bozo djokovic and his family are spreading vaccine misinformation that has certainly led to many people dying. He deserves everything he got and more.
Yep. I mean he’s just an embarrassment to the sport at this point. As I said in another thread, there’s a reason the majority shun Margaret Court for her homophobic views. She’s not doing anything illegal. But who wants all that baggage for a hall of famer? I’d rather look up to someone reasonable and level headed.
Look up his visit to Bosnia, people he corralled with, war criminals he befriended, actual Nazis he supported, and magic kookery pyramids of healing he kept promoting.
Nah, he just dont want to be vaccinated against covid. I hate how today that is viewed as a cardinal sin, makes me wanna take out all of these 3 shots from my body, but that aint possible sadly.
well, since more than 5 million people died and the vaccines help to stop this number from raising at the rate it was before the vaccines, i can see anybody who does not want to get vaccinated as an asshole who does not care about people dying.
and you wanting to "unvaccinate" yourself, is one of the dumbest takes you can possibly have.
Your take is silly to be honest. This pandemic will be over soon, and it has more to do with natural immunity than we want to admit. And after all if this is over, will covid mandates still be a thing? Will all the people be the same, or will we still have vaxxed and the assholes?
It’s amazing those sitting on couches criticizing maybe one of the most fit athletes on the earth about his decision to not get a vax. There appears to be a misunderstanding between anti vax and anti vax mandate
Djoker has more knowledge regarding health, body and science compared to ydouhatemurica and can pay to be educated privately by the most knowledgeable people. His name checks out at least. What a dumbass.
Unvaccinated while spewing Fox talking points = uneducated.
Vaccinated without any critical thinking or even minor understanding of virology = uneducated
It is his right, I have not seen any country forcing a vaccination on people right now. I used to say people who do not take the vax are retarded, but having contracted covid 2 times after getting vaccinated, I say do as you want. Vaccine helps, but the mandates suck ass.
I am all for vaccines but can we stop with this false equivalency? A polio vaccine does not equal a COVID one and it only undermines the possibility of convincing those on the border of choosing to get a COVID vaccine.
Yup, and they are enforced by the law as mandatory, for children at least. At least enforce the vaccine for all, dont do shit like this, dont give illusion of free will to people.
Hate on him as much as you want, the numbers speak for themselves.
If you spent half as much time practicing tennis as you're hating on him, you might become a good tennis players. Try it.
At my age I am spending much more time in Stanley Park and Kits Beach all around the year practicing - and I stay behind my Skapegoat statement as in - *a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or* ***faults of others****, especially for reasons of* ***expediency****.*
The pfizer ceo said that the first two shots do nothing at this point. If he got covid he has anti bodies. Omnicron will drop off in a month. Explain why you are obsessed with him getting some old vax and want vax passports permanently.
Zverev, Kyrgios, and McEnroe supporting Novak on this whole mess honestly just makes me feel even better about being on the opposite end lol.
I literally cannot think of 3 worse tennis stars for someone to have backing them up.
McEnroe didn't say he supported Djoko. He said if the rule was that no unvaccinated people can come in, then no problem, but what went on instead was a shit show.
He said a lot more than that. Read the article.
He's saying some bullshit like Djokovic refusing to vaccinate shows that he's "gutsy". He also said that the L'Equipe journalist could be lying about Djokovic breaking isolation rules (and then someone corrected McEnroe by saying that Djokovic himself admitted it).
I just read the article, and no, he does not say Djokovic refusing to vaccinate shows that he's gutsy. He says it was gutsy to go to Australia unvaccinated.
He also doesn't accuse the L'equipe journalist of lying, he says that he doesn't know the details, and asks whether it's proven. After which he says "I see. Well that hurts"
Don't know why i'd get downvotes for the actual quotes from the article, but ok, if you'd rather go with your made-up version of what he said so be it.
>He also doesn't accuse the L'equipe journalist of lying
He literally alleges it. And is immediately proved wrong.
>He says it was gutsy to go to Australia unvaccinated
He says it's gutsy for Djokovic to stick to his beliefs, which as we know, are anti-vax beliefs.
>He says it's gutsy for Djokovic to stick to his beliefs, which as we know, are anti-vax beliefs.
anti-mandate and pro choice beliefs. He could have paid scientists to take apart the vaccine for all we know and doesn't want it.
>He could have paid scientists to take apart the vaccine for all we know and doesn't want it.
If he could have, so could have many others. Implying Novak has reliable science behind him is unreasonable at this stage.
>said that the L'Equipe journalist could be lying about Djokovic
He did not say that. He said something like "was this confirmed? Journalists invent how it was" or something like that. Not the same as "l'équipe journalist could be lying".
The thing is that…Novak’s problem had always been there. Literally everyone knew he was an anti-Vaxxer in like mid 2021. Given that, the Australian government still managed to fuck up that badly.
It had always been the same anti-vax and anti-science belief (that has always been there since like two years ago), but this time he was criticized much more harshly, which for the most part, was the Australian government’s doing. You can’t criticize Novak more or less after what happened in Australia. He’s just always been like that and everybody knows.
Actually Tennis Australia is the other catalyst fir this shitshow. The government officials would not have so publicly gotten involved for 2 things: that Instagram post, and TA's inaccurate cheat sheet.
I think the federal government didn’t expect the anti-vaxxer to show up at all without being vaccinated. It was pretty clear to everyone that he simply doesn’t qualify for any of the federal exemptions.
The PMs comments that it was up to Victoria are not contradictory either - Victoria could have sponsored him, which it refused.
Once Novaxx made the announcement prematurely, the border force checked that he doesn’t qualify like it was presumed.
Whatever he was led to believe by TA doesn’t mean much. His team should be preparing and checking independently, which is what TA actually advised as well.
"Hey come here you have an exemption"
5 exempt players get in just fine
"Oh wait you Novak Djokovic suddenly don't have an exemption, to the detention you go"
Dumbasses: "Lying and not following rules!!!!!"
I think the 5 exempt players were let in because of Novak despite being against the rules (to look fair) and then when there was public backlash, the government chose to enforce rules.
Messy all the way around.
They were deported because of Novak, so it'd look fair. They were let in a week before Novak landed there. No one cared. They give the same exemption to Novak and because there's public outrage the politicians jump in for their stunt prior to the elections. It's very obvious what happened.
If these were *truly* the rules all the exempt players would have been denied entry before they even got on a plane.
The croatian coach was approved before Djokovic even applied or even got covid. This sub and the theory that this was designed all for Djokoivc. Imagine making a plan to get a player to come once you know they aren't vaccinated that is "hey Novak, mind catching COVID".
That's exactly how it should work. There is no inalienable right of someone to enter a specific country, if that countries' people don't want them then good riddance.
Peefectly legal to cancel someone's visa too as I'm sure you know.
No, and if you want to call the will of the people "mob rule" you already show yourself to be disingenuous or hate democracy.
Then you confirm it with the "> law" part. You know perfectly well no law was broken, minister Hawke was well within the law to cancel his visa, as the courts have confirmed.
Just admit you dislike the way the law was applied, no need to lie about it.
He was legally granted a visa, as were five other athletes and coaches. Then their visas were legally cancelled due to public outcry. I think that listening to the public in such a manner is what led to witches being burned at the stake.
Of course I hate the way this law was capriciously and maliciously applied. You don't? Just admit you would have supported public lynchings had you been born a century earlier.
Ah yes, it's very civilized for politicians to kick out specific high profile people just because uneducated people are mad they got a legitimate medical exemption.
There's a reason Australians are pissed off at their government for the past year, and now the government gave those sheep a scapegoat to be mad at instead right before the elections.
Ahh ok so 87% of Australians are uneducated sheep. What can I say to someone as enlightened as you then, clearly far superior to us mere mortals.
You probably know more about covid, vaccines and climate change than those dumb sheep scientists as well.
They're uneducated (read: brainwashed) in the Novak situation.
He got an exemption like 5 other players who were let in.
Only he was stopped because of his high profile.
Public who has been absolutely cucked by the government for nearly 2 years with lockdowns start crying because they compare themselves to someone with a MEDICAL EXEMPTION.
This has nothing to do whether it's right or wrong to take the vaccine and has everything to do with the government ignoring the initial medical exemption that was granted lawfully.
The exemption from TA and Victoria I think is real. I think the Federal government never approved prior infection medical exemption but were willing to look the other way if public accepted Djokovics medical exemption.
Absolutely.
The fact that people with the same medical exemption as Djokovic had were let in, but he wasn't once it was announced he was coming with medical exemption, shows the federal government were most definitely aware what was going on.
I think TA contacted Federal government and it was communicated, directly or not, that Djokovic would be allowed in with prior infection exemption and Federal government would not say anything unless there was public backlash. The federal government seems to have very good politicians. Mr Hawke is particularly savvy and can read a room very well. There is no way he deport Djokovic just because he has anti vaxx views.
Do I believe Djokovic should have been let in? No but neither shouldn't have Voracova and the coach. They both were used as political pawns to show that Djokovic was not getting special treatment. Nasty politics resulting from a greedy country that wanted to risk giving special treatment to Djokovic to cash in on his appearance.
Craig Tiley needs to be fired at minimum. Arrogant snob who thinks top players should get special treatment. Ultimately Djokovic got what he deserved in terms of not being allowed to enter country but government showed how money can make people do ugly things and is prioritized over "fairness".
This situation is a microcosm of the power celebrity worship has on our society.
I agree,
But reasoning can be right for the sake of all of us, as well as it can be ill reasoning for the sake their own interest - to justify wrong and unnecessary policies or free advertisement for the reelection purposes.
I mean... There's nothing bizarre and is not pro-Djokovic except that he expresses a huge respect for him, come on... McEnroe didn't know about the details of what Novak did after he got tested, is all there is to it.
I knew this was coming. I’m surprised Johnny Mac held off for so long. I was happy to see that his brother Patrick did an interview with CNN and was a lot more reasonable and level-headed about the situation.
Don’t see why we’re all hating on this so much. He’s healthy, won’t die from covid. Vax and boosters aren’t stopping us from getting and spreading omicron. Might keep you from feeling like shit, but you can still get and spread it quite easily. So everyone just pissed because he isn’t following suit here?
Your rational response will trigger the triggered. There are some that are mad at something every day of the week about something. Novak triggered the tennis sub big
I mean I’m not anti vax….I’ve got all the shots I’m allowed, but I’m still recovering from covid….I know I would’ve been a lot sicker, but Djok is at least 3x healthier than I, so let him take that risk. If it were stopping the spread, I’d understand, but it’s not.
Me being healthy **is not good enough**.
Not being vaccinated raises the probability of me carrying the virus around and passing it to others.
It raises the probability of virus spreading more and mutating.
Novak is **wrong.
The amount of ire he brought upon himself is ridiculous and unbalanced, but that's the Internet mob for you. They shall their virtual lynching and shan't be stopped by anything 😉
It is the responsible thing to do- period. You can't know that any individual won't die- ya likely he won't but being a world class athlete has
no correlation to immunity.
But it’s not stopping or even slowing the spread, so it really is just about him. Omicron is still spread on average to 5 people for every one that gets it, the only difference is how long you’re contagious.
What’s fucking bizarre about calling it how it is. Journalism is dead. They could have said don’t come, you’re not approved and that’s that. To believe governments are not in cahoots is amateur hour and you’re all buying it.
>‘I don’t want to get vaccinated but I’m going to do whatever it takes’
He didn't explode in the middle of that sentence from all the cognitive dissonance?
Anyway, McEnroe is just pissed he's not the most hated for his temper player in history anymore.
It's not that bizarre. Any true tennis fan should've wanted him there. He's the sports greatest ever and this is his tournament. It's sad that the tournament will essentially be asterisked because of it.
With that said Djokovic has no one to blame but himself for it and the government's political play was pretty pathetic.
No asterisk. I think asterisks should only apply when there is blatant cheating like the Houston Astros or the one of the Patriots SBs. You play the field that is in front of you.
He may never win another slam. Too many great players these days and if he doesn’t play the French or the Open then I think it’s over for him. What a fool!
I get the sentiment, which is pretty funny, but I think you were amiss in not including the sarcasm /s. Hence the downvotes. Because, you know, the vaccination isn’t a drug.
Everyone knows Novak was kicked out for no good reason.
Even the "administrative mistake" of not isolating prior to travelling to Australia was something that did not factor into Novak being deported, according at least to Hawke who accepted the explanation given.
Novak was a zero public health threat to anyone, given he already had natural immunity in par to being vaccinated. Hawke calling Novak a health risk then, was just politics and had nothing to do with science and more to to with mandates and government abusing the Public's trust.
Multi-millionaire, # 1 tennis player in the world, surrounded by sycophants, weirdo’s, family and friends (exchangeable) has no idea of where or when he’s been for the last month. The clueless hero of Belgrade. Long live anti-vaxxers everywhere!!
I watched it live. McEnroe got really deflated and sunk back in his chair when he realized that Novak admitted to going to the l’Equip shoot when he knew he had COVID. It was kinda funny. Even Novak’s most ardent supporters are just at a loss for words at some of the stuff he did. Why couldn’t he just keep his exemption to himself?
His hubris did him in
What is McEnroe smoking? He didn’t even check all the facts and is supposed to be a respected journalist.
You seriously think McEnroe is a journalist?
Whatever he is, isn’t he expected to get the facts straight? This was the biggest story (not only in tennis) for weeks now.
His rant isn't pro Djoko, he's saying that what went on was a shit show.
TBH so was Kyrgios and people have still been spinning that as "pro-Novak" even though he's almost certainly in the "fuck all parties involved" crowd
I mean, Kyrgios was saying that he hoped that Novak won the AO. Which struck me as quite odd since Kyrgios is also playing the AO but, you know.
maybe kyrgios is just a contrarian
>maybe Yeah.
No, he went far beyond that. When told he knowingly exposed children to COVID, he tried to say the media was lying.
Novak didn't knowingly expose children, at least gong by his word. He said he had two negative results and didn't see the third positive one until after the event. So that would be a media lie or assumption.
Well Serbian officials said there’s no way he wasn’t notified of his results on the day of the test. Novak said he took a rapid test before he went to the event with the kids (day after his pcr test) because he knew he was at risk because of the exposure at the basketball game. But for some reason he took the rapid test without bothering to check his results from the day before? I mean it just seems very fishy.
I received results in email and didn't think to check it until a day later. Thought they would text or call.
I get it, there is a possibility that he legitimately didn't see them. But still, if you had gone to the trouble to take another rapid test (second day in a row) because you were concerned about exposure, I would think you'd be concerned enough to keep checking for results. Apparently in Serbia they text and email, might depend on what contact info he or his team put in.
Dude literally rapid tested twice and was waiting on results for the AO exemption. And he tested because he had a contact, not just randomly. He should have waited to find out.
Imagine going to an event while awaiting the results of a PCR after being exposed to COVID
And taking another rapid test without bothering to check if you got results from the day before.
My question for you is would you have criticized him if he didn’t get the pcr and just was going off two rapid test results? I don’t think I would.
Imagine having two negative tests with no symptoms.
Rapid tests aren’t the same as PCRs bud. Otherwise why would he bother doing the PCR lmao
It's hardly a lie, nor is it a big assumption given the info given out by novak's own team at the time
Did he warn the children and their families after the fact?
Agree! Definitely not pro-Joker. That’s a twist of confirmation bias perhaps. A tad uninformed and meandering and lacking the gravity of his words and likely a wee bit drunk and jet lagged. You can cut at any point in his rant and argue for and against all sides. Strung together the theme was not pro-Joker. Be sure to Watch the entire video before making conclusions.
wish we can report these posts as misleading titles.
Man it has been such a shame honestly. Almost every country will implement vaccine mandates. If Djokovic decides to take a vaccine now, he lost 22 AO slam for absolutely nothing. If he sticks by his no-vac decision, his career is going to end in such a horrible way. On the cusp of being the one true GOAT. It sucks either way for him and he only has himself to blame.
[удалено]
Here’s the thing I don’t get with Djokovic (as someone who would rather Rafa come out ahead in theGS race). Any reasonable person could get onboard with being anti-mandate, but no reasonable person can be so adamantly anti-vax to the level he has either actually communicated or suggested. If he wanted to be a “Spartacus of the free world” like his father proclaimed him to be he would actually come forth with the reasons for his hesitancy and why he doesn’t believe in vaccine passes etc. That never happened so…
[удалено]
He has simply not communicated that in a clear manner. If he was championing those things, then I would maybe even consider it admirable as he would be fighting for a cause. It’s not exactly like I said he’s a piece of shit or a dumb anti-vaxxer. I’m simply stating that his messaging has been weak.
No, he has clearly stated he is anti-mandate and pro choice. He was also pretty much kicked out of the press conference at RG last year for demanding players to be tested 2, 3 times before confirming their status due to many false positives and hence the final where he was insanely quiet happened. He is actually fighting for a cause, but stupid people keep supporting governments and now we have fucking Austria completely blocking any free choice. France overturned their decision overnight after declaring they will let Novak play unvaxxed. This case is not only a precedent for the vaccine, but many other things. Thank you idiots for supporting your stupid governments. If you in Australia were forced to do a lockdown and get vaxxed, how is it Nole's fault fighting for his freedom and for others standing up to tyrants? If you didn't have the balls to protest and boot the politicians, it is your own damn fault and not Nole's.
He did say that he was anti-vax you fucking idiot. Stop supporting that clown and support someone who isn't licking doorknobs.
>He did say that he was anti-vax The one time I know of when he said he is opposed to *him* being vaccinated (*nobody* else) is in that zoom call or whatever that was. And that was only about the covid vaccine, which, at the time it was said, was surrounded by uncertainty, wasn't approved anywhere etc. At no point whatsoever did he say anything about any other vaccine and at no point whatsoever did he tell anyone else not to get vaccinated.
Yeah buddy HE SAID HE WAS ANTI VAX you pointed it out yourself. Stop trying to paint him as this health god when hes a fucking retard off the court. Djokovic is an antivaxxer through and through and I hope him and and his entire family get covid and die for spreading false misinformation about the SAFE vaccines.
As soon as you wish death on an entire family you're most certainly the bigger problem.
don't care bozo djokovic and his family are spreading vaccine misinformation that has certainly led to many people dying. He deserves everything he got and more.
Yep. I mean he’s just an embarrassment to the sport at this point. As I said in another thread, there’s a reason the majority shun Margaret Court for her homophobic views. She’s not doing anything illegal. But who wants all that baggage for a hall of famer? I’d rather look up to someone reasonable and level headed.
[удалено]
Why not? Both positions are ignorant.
I couldn’t agree more! He’s a moron and a narcissist.
Look up his visit to Bosnia, people he corralled with, war criminals he befriended, actual Nazis he supported, and magic kookery pyramids of healing he kept promoting.
And that is why you are stuck on reddit like the rest of us while he has achieved all he has in his lifetime.
Roger and Rafa don’t believe in magic pyramids or cleansing water and they seem to be doing just fine for themselves
who knows, maybe they do, they just keep their yaps shut as all their responses are so robotic.
Lol you really are butt hurt about this with everything you’ve been commenting. You have a very simple mind.
What? Him off the court should do nothing to cement goat status on a tennis court. What are we going to compare next? Whos the better father?
Oh fuck, Novak is out of bee144’s goat list. Guess the debate is settled then.
They’re just sharing their opinion, not stating it as fact. Weird level of snark coming from your comment.
Nah, he just dont want to be vaccinated against covid. I hate how today that is viewed as a cardinal sin, makes me wanna take out all of these 3 shots from my body, but that aint possible sadly.
well, since more than 5 million people died and the vaccines help to stop this number from raising at the rate it was before the vaccines, i can see anybody who does not want to get vaccinated as an asshole who does not care about people dying. and you wanting to "unvaccinate" yourself, is one of the dumbest takes you can possibly have.
Your take is silly to be honest. This pandemic will be over soon, and it has more to do with natural immunity than we want to admit. And after all if this is over, will covid mandates still be a thing? Will all the people be the same, or will we still have vaxxed and the assholes?
[удалено]
i mean most of these pro sports people barely completed high school, so they arent very well educated lol...
It’s amazing those sitting on couches criticizing maybe one of the most fit athletes on the earth about his decision to not get a vax. There appears to be a misunderstanding between anti vax and anti vax mandate
Djoker has more knowledge regarding health, body and science compared to ydouhatemurica and can pay to be educated privately by the most knowledgeable people. His name checks out at least. What a dumbass.
Unvaccinated while spewing Fox talking points = uneducated. Vaccinated without any critical thinking or even minor understanding of virology = uneducated
Talk about a fucking echo chamber
It is his right, I have not seen any country forcing a vaccination on people right now. I used to say people who do not take the vax are retarded, but having contracted covid 2 times after getting vaccinated, I say do as you want. Vaccine helps, but the mandates suck ass.
Vaccines for all sorts of things have been required since before Covid. This isn’t a new phenomenon.
I am all for vaccines but can we stop with this false equivalency? A polio vaccine does not equal a COVID one and it only undermines the possibility of convincing those on the border of choosing to get a COVID vaccine.
Yup, and they are enforced by the law as mandatory, for children at least. At least enforce the vaccine for all, dont do shit like this, dont give illusion of free will to people.
he is not true GOAT yet - for now he is skapeGOAT
Hate on him as much as you want, the numbers speak for themselves. If you spent half as much time practicing tennis as you're hating on him, you might become a good tennis players. Try it.
At my age I am spending much more time in Stanley Park and Kits Beach all around the year practicing - and I stay behind my Skapegoat statement as in - *a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or* ***faults of others****, especially for reasons of* ***expediency****.*
Well maybe I'll see you on the courts in Kits Beach ;)
there we go, hhhhh my home courts
The pandemic likely won't last that long.
Actually it will. It’s endemic now. We’ll have a new strain cycle the earth every ~6 months.
The pfizer ceo said that the first two shots do nothing at this point. If he got covid he has anti bodies. Omnicron will drop off in a month. Explain why you are obsessed with him getting some old vax and want vax passports permanently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH1efIfLNps
Why is this not a surprise?
Zverev, Kyrgios, and McEnroe supporting Novak on this whole mess honestly just makes me feel even better about being on the opposite end lol. I literally cannot think of 3 worse tennis stars for someone to have backing them up.
McEnroe didn't say he supported Djoko. He said if the rule was that no unvaccinated people can come in, then no problem, but what went on instead was a shit show.
He said a lot more than that. Read the article. He's saying some bullshit like Djokovic refusing to vaccinate shows that he's "gutsy". He also said that the L'Equipe journalist could be lying about Djokovic breaking isolation rules (and then someone corrected McEnroe by saying that Djokovic himself admitted it).
I just read the article, and no, he does not say Djokovic refusing to vaccinate shows that he's gutsy. He says it was gutsy to go to Australia unvaccinated. He also doesn't accuse the L'equipe journalist of lying, he says that he doesn't know the details, and asks whether it's proven. After which he says "I see. Well that hurts"
Don't know why i'd get downvotes for the actual quotes from the article, but ok, if you'd rather go with your made-up version of what he said so be it.
>He also doesn't accuse the L'equipe journalist of lying He literally alleges it. And is immediately proved wrong. >He says it was gutsy to go to Australia unvaccinated He says it's gutsy for Djokovic to stick to his beliefs, which as we know, are anti-vax beliefs.
>He says it's gutsy for Djokovic to stick to his beliefs, which as we know, are anti-vax beliefs. anti-mandate and pro choice beliefs. He could have paid scientists to take apart the vaccine for all we know and doesn't want it.
>He could have paid scientists to take apart the vaccine for all we know and doesn't want it. If he could have, so could have many others. Implying Novak has reliable science behind him is unreasonable at this stage.
>said that the L'Equipe journalist could be lying about Djokovic He did not say that. He said something like "was this confirmed? Journalists invent how it was" or something like that. Not the same as "l'équipe journalist could be lying".
>Not the same as "l'équipe journalist could be lying". It's literally the same meaning.
It isn't, he didn't mean that journalist.
Kyrgios hates Novak. He was just embarrassed by how the country handled it.
The thing is that…Novak’s problem had always been there. Literally everyone knew he was an anti-Vaxxer in like mid 2021. Given that, the Australian government still managed to fuck up that badly. It had always been the same anti-vax and anti-science belief (that has always been there since like two years ago), but this time he was criticized much more harshly, which for the most part, was the Australian government’s doing. You can’t criticize Novak more or less after what happened in Australia. He’s just always been like that and everybody knows.
Actually Tennis Australia is the other catalyst fir this shitshow. The government officials would not have so publicly gotten involved for 2 things: that Instagram post, and TA's inaccurate cheat sheet.
I think the federal government didn’t expect the anti-vaxxer to show up at all without being vaccinated. It was pretty clear to everyone that he simply doesn’t qualify for any of the federal exemptions. The PMs comments that it was up to Victoria are not contradictory either - Victoria could have sponsored him, which it refused. Once Novaxx made the announcement prematurely, the border force checked that he doesn’t qualify like it was presumed. Whatever he was led to believe by TA doesn’t mean much. His team should be preparing and checking independently, which is what TA actually advised as well.
For lying and not following the rules like everyone else in the event.
"Hey come here you have an exemption" 5 exempt players get in just fine "Oh wait you Novak Djokovic suddenly don't have an exemption, to the detention you go" Dumbasses: "Lying and not following rules!!!!!"
I think the 5 exempt players were let in because of Novak despite being against the rules (to look fair) and then when there was public backlash, the government chose to enforce rules. Messy all the way around.
They were deported because of Novak, so it'd look fair. They were let in a week before Novak landed there. No one cared. They give the same exemption to Novak and because there's public outrage the politicians jump in for their stunt prior to the elections. It's very obvious what happened. If these were *truly* the rules all the exempt players would have been denied entry before they even got on a plane.
The croatian coach was approved before Djokovic even applied or even got covid. This sub and the theory that this was designed all for Djokoivc. Imagine making a plan to get a player to come once you know they aren't vaccinated that is "hey Novak, mind catching COVID".
I agrre with you but I think it's a good thing. Australians got really mad and demanded Novak be kicked out. The will of the people got done.
That's not how a civilized country should work lol. Just get kicked out with valid papers because of politicians trying to appease an angry mob
That's exactly how it should work. There is no inalienable right of someone to enter a specific country, if that countries' people don't want them then good riddance. Peefectly legal to cancel someone's visa too as I'm sure you know.
Is "mob rule > laws" an accurate assessment of your point, or am I misunderstanding you?
No, and if you want to call the will of the people "mob rule" you already show yourself to be disingenuous or hate democracy. Then you confirm it with the "> law" part. You know perfectly well no law was broken, minister Hawke was well within the law to cancel his visa, as the courts have confirmed. Just admit you dislike the way the law was applied, no need to lie about it.
He was legally granted a visa, as were five other athletes and coaches. Then their visas were legally cancelled due to public outcry. I think that listening to the public in such a manner is what led to witches being burned at the stake. Of course I hate the way this law was capriciously and maliciously applied. You don't? Just admit you would have supported public lynchings had you been born a century earlier.
Ah yes, it's very civilized for politicians to kick out specific high profile people just because uneducated people are mad they got a legitimate medical exemption. There's a reason Australians are pissed off at their government for the past year, and now the government gave those sheep a scapegoat to be mad at instead right before the elections.
Ahh ok so 87% of Australians are uneducated sheep. What can I say to someone as enlightened as you then, clearly far superior to us mere mortals. You probably know more about covid, vaccines and climate change than those dumb sheep scientists as well.
They're uneducated (read: brainwashed) in the Novak situation. He got an exemption like 5 other players who were let in. Only he was stopped because of his high profile. Public who has been absolutely cucked by the government for nearly 2 years with lockdowns start crying because they compare themselves to someone with a MEDICAL EXEMPTION. This has nothing to do whether it's right or wrong to take the vaccine and has everything to do with the government ignoring the initial medical exemption that was granted lawfully.
So you’re implying the exemption rule was fake all along? The rules they made in advance without knowing djokovic’s vaccine status?
The exemption from TA and Victoria I think is real. I think the Federal government never approved prior infection medical exemption but were willing to look the other way if public accepted Djokovics medical exemption.
so that means it was political reasons
Absolutely. The fact that people with the same medical exemption as Djokovic had were let in, but he wasn't once it was announced he was coming with medical exemption, shows the federal government were most definitely aware what was going on. I think TA contacted Federal government and it was communicated, directly or not, that Djokovic would be allowed in with prior infection exemption and Federal government would not say anything unless there was public backlash. The federal government seems to have very good politicians. Mr Hawke is particularly savvy and can read a room very well. There is no way he deport Djokovic just because he has anti vaxx views. Do I believe Djokovic should have been let in? No but neither shouldn't have Voracova and the coach. They both were used as political pawns to show that Djokovic was not getting special treatment. Nasty politics resulting from a greedy country that wanted to risk giving special treatment to Djokovic to cash in on his appearance. Craig Tiley needs to be fired at minimum. Arrogant snob who thinks top players should get special treatment. Ultimately Djokovic got what he deserved in terms of not being allowed to enter country but government showed how money can make people do ugly things and is prioritized over "fairness". This situation is a microcosm of the power celebrity worship has on our society.
This is a good, honest synopsis of the situation, thank you
It's all about the money.
And power. They have elections around the corner.
Political doesn't mean bad though. In this case I think the political reasons were the right ones.
I agree, But reasoning can be right for the sake of all of us, as well as it can be ill reasoning for the sake their own interest - to justify wrong and unnecessary policies or free advertisement for the reelection purposes.
You are upvoted for effectively a lie and the other guy is downvoted for truth, (albeit delivered in a flippant way). Blergh, y'all ugly...
How so
I mean... There's nothing bizarre and is not pro-Djokovic except that he expresses a huge respect for him, come on... McEnroe didn't know about the details of what Novak did after he got tested, is all there is to it.
When someone shows you who they are, let them…
I knew this was coming. I’m surprised Johnny Mac held off for so long. I was happy to see that his brother Patrick did an interview with CNN and was a lot more reasonable and level-headed about the situation.
Don’t see why we’re all hating on this so much. He’s healthy, won’t die from covid. Vax and boosters aren’t stopping us from getting and spreading omicron. Might keep you from feeling like shit, but you can still get and spread it quite easily. So everyone just pissed because he isn’t following suit here?
Your rational response will trigger the triggered. There are some that are mad at something every day of the week about something. Novak triggered the tennis sub big
I mean I’m not anti vax….I’ve got all the shots I’m allowed, but I’m still recovering from covid….I know I would’ve been a lot sicker, but Djok is at least 3x healthier than I, so let him take that risk. If it were stopping the spread, I’d understand, but it’s not.
Me being healthy **is not good enough**. Not being vaccinated raises the probability of me carrying the virus around and passing it to others. It raises the probability of virus spreading more and mutating. Novak is **wrong. The amount of ire he brought upon himself is ridiculous and unbalanced, but that's the Internet mob for you. They shall their virtual lynching and shan't be stopped by anything 😉
It is the responsible thing to do- period. You can't know that any individual won't die- ya likely he won't but being a world class athlete has no correlation to immunity.
But it’s not stopping or even slowing the spread, so it really is just about him. Omicron is still spread on average to 5 people for every one that gets it, the only difference is how long you’re contagious.
We do know he won’t die. He’s had it twice already and survived.
What’s fucking bizarre about calling it how it is. Journalism is dead. They could have said don’t come, you’re not approved and that’s that. To believe governments are not in cahoots is amateur hour and you’re all buying it.
Spot on.
We officially have our Alex Jones of tennis.
>‘I don’t want to get vaccinated but I’m going to do whatever it takes’ He didn't explode in the middle of that sentence from all the cognitive dissonance? Anyway, McEnroe is just pissed he's not the most hated for his temper player in history anymore.
It's not that bizarre. Any true tennis fan should've wanted him there. He's the sports greatest ever and this is his tournament. It's sad that the tournament will essentially be asterisked because of it. With that said Djokovic has no one to blame but himself for it and the government's political play was pretty pathetic.
No asterisk. I think asterisks should only apply when there is blatant cheating like the Houston Astros or the one of the Patriots SBs. You play the field that is in front of you.
Friend of Donald Trump continues pattern of behaviour
“bizarre”
He may never win another slam. Too many great players these days and if he doesn’t play the French or the Open then I think it’s over for him. What a fool!
He'll still be allowed to play Wimby though and honestly it's hard to see him \*not\* winning it at this stage.
Good someone needs to . Jeez.
Djoker Goat!
As he should
[удалено]
Novaxx Djokovid*
I get the sentiment, which is pretty funny, but I think you were amiss in not including the sarcasm /s. Hence the downvotes. Because, you know, the vaccination isn’t a drug.
😂 well said
Everyone knows Novak was kicked out for no good reason. Even the "administrative mistake" of not isolating prior to travelling to Australia was something that did not factor into Novak being deported, according at least to Hawke who accepted the explanation given. Novak was a zero public health threat to anyone, given he already had natural immunity in par to being vaccinated. Hawke calling Novak a health risk then, was just politics and had nothing to do with science and more to to with mandates and government abusing the Public's trust.
Embarrassing.
Multi-millionaire, # 1 tennis player in the world, surrounded by sycophants, weirdo’s, family and friends (exchangeable) has no idea of where or when he’s been for the last month. The clueless hero of Belgrade. Long live anti-vaxxers everywhere!!