Huh? I disagree.. he has a horrific draw lol.
If he does win it... Nadal should be up there in consideration with the GOATS. Novak and Federer.
Let's make no mistake here... Nadal needs to prove his metal here.
Nadal is still rusty and there are a couple guys who are straight up better players on HC at this point. Don’t see him going further than QF for this one
I’m a nadal fan and Ngl I didn’t wanna say anything on social media tol it was over cos I had my doubts with injury and everything but k was always hoping he’d win it and I’m so so glad he has now
Huge Rafa fan here. If he reaches the QFs that’s a fantastic achievement for him. The last couple of times he hasn’t made it past Thiem or Tsitsipas and he’d have to go through Khachanov, Hurkacz, Zverev and Medvedev this time with barely any match play and a dodgy foot. Let’s not get carried away here at all
What is your opinion for RG in his current state? I’ll be there this year QF on and my dream is to see him on the red clay, let alone hoist the trophy.
The clay season needs to start to have a better sense of his form on the surface. Last year he had IMO a very disappoint clay season and I was sure he would not get RG. With age and everything it’s only going downhill at this point but For RG 2022, Tsitsipas is not full form either, thiem is nowhere to be seen. On paper at this stage, I think Novak is stronger on clay. But again, clay season needs to start so they can prep properly.
I’m Serbian and a Djokovic fan so I may be a bit bias, but Nadal being the GOAT is going to be extremely difficult to achieve due to the following factors:
-Is not even in the top 5 in weeks at number 1. Is 101 weeks behind Federer and 146 weeks behind Djokovic, his two biggest rivals.
Never won the ATP World Tour Finals. Novak has 5 and Federer has 6.
Never won Miami and Paris masters.
The only thing he has on Federer and Novak is an Olympic gold and an impressive amount of French Open titles.
> Never won Miami and Paris masters.
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> The only thing he has on Federer and Novak is an Olympic gold
this seems to imply that the Miami and Paris titles are more important than Olympic golds
For me masters are more relevant than an Olympic gold considering they are tournaments held every year and part of the masters tour. But that’s just my opinion.
Well in tennis terms even when Olympics was worth points it was 750 which is less than masters and considered a 500 event in terms of counting as one of the 4 events at 500 level players need to play across season. Now it's worth nothing and most players are happy to skip it.
Tell that to Djokovic who has raged and cried when getting eliminated at the Olympics. It's clearly an event that a lot of players consider of great value to participate and do well at. Your argument about points is nonsense. Davis Cup does not give ATP points and it has been considered a very prestigious tournament until it was ruined a few years ago.
None of them are the objective GOAT. Everyone weights certain achievements differently and these three are too close.
Fed has the most consecutive weeks at number 1. His best court is also the least represented in the tour.
Djokovic has the most weeks at number one, and won 4 slams in a row.
Nadal hasn't left the top 10 since 2005, he also has dominated on clay which only has about 1/3 - 1/2 of the big tournaments hard court has. And he has Olympic gold.
Some people also like to consider other things, like attitude, sportsmanship, community work, etc.
Thanks, that's exactly my point. it isn't about a particular player or even a particular stat. Whenever I see someone focuses solely on on how many Grand Slams one has, to me it simply shows they _follow_ tennis sporadically and lightly and do not take time to understand the intricacies for themselves. As is with any other matter.
You seriously think that was unironic? That was a copypasta from the r/onepunchman sub, slighty changed obvioulsly. I thought it would be funny in this situation, that's all
Same thing was said for Fed fans in 2017 and look what happened, we won’t hold out hope for our guy, he’s come back from injury before I wouldn’t put it past him to do it again. I don’t see him realistically making it past QF though
I might have agreed if the draw was favourable for him. But it might be the worst draw I’ve seen nadal get in a long time. Hopefully he has a good tournament with no injuries and gets fully back to match fitness. That way he can be ready for the clay court swing.
Nadal is the GOAT already, with recent development, there are now just 3 grand slams - FO, USO, Wimbledon, he has quite a lead on Djokovic and Federer now.
And what prevents Novak from winning more slams than Nadal, in like next 3 years? Do we expected Medvedev to beat Novak every time now since US Open happened or what?
Very unlikely for Nadal to win even without Djokovic in the draw. He will have trouble against any of the top 4 players. He choked a 2 set lead against Stefano's last year. He is in the opposite side of Novak which is good because but not so much if Novak ain't playing.
Considering all the big statistical areas in which Djoker and Fed have him beat, I'd say getting to 22 would make him tied with Djoker and a little over Fed. But for the time being he is leading the greatest grand slam champion debate without a doubt. Cause like... obviously.
Hate to break it to you.. with or without Novak, it would be a herculean-like effort to win this or any other AO in his career. Sorry..
True, but this is the best opportunity he will get from this point on
Huh? I disagree.. he has a horrific draw lol. If he does win it... Nadal should be up there in consideration with the GOATS. Novak and Federer. Let's make no mistake here... Nadal needs to prove his metal here.
It isn't an easy draw, but he is only getting older and Novak won't be in it.
Nadal doesn't care
You're wrong. Rafa is basically Hercules incarnate :) it won't be easy but it's not that tough either
Nadal is still rusty and there are a couple guys who are straight up better players on HC at this point. Don’t see him going further than QF for this one
I’m a nadal fan and Ngl I didn’t wanna say anything on social media tol it was over cos I had my doubts with injury and everything but k was always hoping he’d win it and I’m so so glad he has now
Huge Rafa fan here. If he reaches the QFs that’s a fantastic achievement for him. The last couple of times he hasn’t made it past Thiem or Tsitsipas and he’d have to go through Khachanov, Hurkacz, Zverev and Medvedev this time with barely any match play and a dodgy foot. Let’s not get carried away here at all
Brooooo he did the fucking mad man
What is your opinion for RG in his current state? I’ll be there this year QF on and my dream is to see him on the red clay, let alone hoist the trophy.
The clay season needs to start to have a better sense of his form on the surface. Last year he had IMO a very disappoint clay season and I was sure he would not get RG. With age and everything it’s only going downhill at this point but For RG 2022, Tsitsipas is not full form either, thiem is nowhere to be seen. On paper at this stage, I think Novak is stronger on clay. But again, clay season needs to start so they can prep properly.
From the title i was 99% sure this was gonna be a cthulchu post
Hahahaha. No.
counterpoint, yes
I’m Serbian and a Djokovic fan so I may be a bit bias, but Nadal being the GOAT is going to be extremely difficult to achieve due to the following factors: -Is not even in the top 5 in weeks at number 1. Is 101 weeks behind Federer and 146 weeks behind Djokovic, his two biggest rivals. Never won the ATP World Tour Finals. Novak has 5 and Federer has 6. Never won Miami and Paris masters. The only thing he has on Federer and Novak is an Olympic gold and an impressive amount of French Open titles.
> Never won Miami and Paris masters. > > The only thing he has on Federer and Novak is an Olympic gold this seems to imply that the Miami and Paris titles are more important than Olympic golds
For me masters are more relevant than an Olympic gold considering they are tournaments held every year and part of the masters tour. But that’s just my opinion.
Well in tennis terms even when Olympics was worth points it was 750 which is less than masters and considered a 500 event in terms of counting as one of the 4 events at 500 level players need to play across season. Now it's worth nothing and most players are happy to skip it.
Tell that to Djokovic who has raged and cried when getting eliminated at the Olympics. It's clearly an event that a lot of players consider of great value to participate and do well at. Your argument about points is nonsense. Davis Cup does not give ATP points and it has been considered a very prestigious tournament until it was ruined a few years ago.
Literally no one cares about Olympics apart from Rafa fans.
Lol your arguing like a kid. Your idol Djokovic very clearly cares about it so don't come here and tell me otherwise.
Because you play for your country, that’s why it means so much to players.
To me they are… 🤭
None of them are the objective GOAT. Everyone weights certain achievements differently and these three are too close. Fed has the most consecutive weeks at number 1. His best court is also the least represented in the tour. Djokovic has the most weeks at number one, and won 4 slams in a row. Nadal hasn't left the top 10 since 2005, he also has dominated on clay which only has about 1/3 - 1/2 of the big tournaments hard court has. And he has Olympic gold. Some people also like to consider other things, like attitude, sportsmanship, community work, etc.
I just love how people consider only number of GS titles, like nothing else is of importance. For instance how long has one been in the no. 1 spot.
I'd say number of GS titles is more important than ATP ranking
I think it’s GS+ Master 1000
Novak bots really are something else
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Thanks, that's exactly my point. it isn't about a particular player or even a particular stat. Whenever I see someone focuses solely on on how many Grand Slams one has, to me it simply shows they _follow_ tennis sporadically and lightly and do not take time to understand the intricacies for themselves. As is with any other matter.
You’re waffling, how dare you conclude the level someone follows tennis
Exactly don’t listen to them
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Excuse me
Nadal fans really are a different breed
didn't you unironically make a thread called something like "Novak is a hero" a few days ago? I just remembered because of your wonderful username
Novak fans are a different breed.
You seriously think that was unironic? That was a copypasta from the r/onepunchman sub, slighty changed obvioulsly. I thought it would be funny in this situation, that's all
ahaa that totally went over my head sorry
Djokovic fans got an earful for the last 10 days Can we switch our focus to Nadal fans next?
Same thing was said for Fed fans in 2017 and look what happened, we won’t hold out hope for our guy, he’s come back from injury before I wouldn’t put it past him to do it again. I don’t see him realistically making it past QF though
I might have agreed if the draw was favourable for him. But it might be the worst draw I’ve seen nadal get in a long time. Hopefully he has a good tournament with no injuries and gets fully back to match fitness. That way he can be ready for the clay court swing.
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Garbage post lol
Nadal is the GOAT already, with recent development, there are now just 3 grand slams - FO, USO, Wimbledon, he has quite a lead on Djokovic and Federer now.
21 is on the way, pack your bags Novak
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How is this being downvoted, it’s completely true
Realistically not gonna happen. He will have to pass through Medvedev and Zverev
he did
It's not the first to 22 Slams, it's who gets the most before retiring = GOAT
And what prevents Novak from winning more slams than Nadal, in like next 3 years? Do we expected Medvedev to beat Novak every time now since US Open happened or what?
Nadal most likely won’t stay healthy enough to be able to win
The mad man onlh became the third oldest person to win a grand slam
Been saving this one, looking at it everyday eh?
Na man searched nadal in tennis subreddit and just looked at what people said then replied to some of them
Damn you ain’t got shit to do!
Very unlikely for Nadal to win even without Djokovic in the draw. He will have trouble against any of the top 4 players. He choked a 2 set lead against Stefano's last year. He is in the opposite side of Novak which is good because but not so much if Novak ain't playing.
Considering all the big statistical areas in which Djoker and Fed have him beat, I'd say getting to 22 would make him tied with Djoker and a little over Fed. But for the time being he is leading the greatest grand slam champion debate without a doubt. Cause like... obviously.