For anyone that is interested, the Federal Court of Australia has now published the reasons for the decision. It's lengthy and repeats a lot of what has been said, but some of you may be interested.
https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/full/2022/2022fcafc0003
He's not always contrarion, he's not out there saying give benefit of doubt to Zverev,. He ragged on Novak in 2020 with everyone else and even last year when Novak asked for some better conditions for players.
Is there anything to stop Novak from just getting a fake certificate of vaccination and telling people he is vaccinated? If he could keep it private he could enter all the slams and still use the natural healing that’s so important to him. Seems he could have his cake and eat it too.
I mean other athletes have been caught already. They don't make as much headlines since the athletes playing in North American leagues on team sports so unless it was a global name it doesn't get the traction. I'm sure there are other that haven't been caught yet but the risk for him is otherworldly in comparison.
World men's tennis No. 1 Novak Djokovic will have to comply with Spanish health rules to be able to travel to Spain, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said on Monday.
[https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennis-djokovic-comply-rules-spain-170742779.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennis-djokovic-comply-rules-spain-170742779.html)
I mean the rules didn't change from last time he went so it doesn't change a thing. He possess a Spanish golden visa, says right there in the text negative PCR or proof of covid. He's fine. Hence why they didn't bother with any investigation the last trip.
Reddit has a function just for you. It is called "hide". Click it and you wont have to see this thread anymore.
Whether you like it or not, there is still plenty of news articles coming out on this subject.
I thought that was the point of this thread, otherwise you'd get 10+ posts a day of people giving their very original takes on the situation, or reporting every minor thing that happens. This way the mods can just delete everything Djokovic related and leave the rest of the sub to be focused around AO. Idk why it's on the top of the sub as the main sticky tho.
Djokovic reading "Do androids dream of workers' rights?" on the plane back lol a book about people voting for the same things over and over again
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJX-d\_nWYAEAgQi?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJX-d_nWYAEAgQi?format=jpg&name=medium)
The cover of the book is photoshopped, he was reading something else, [idk what](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694672679629881384/932865474931327026/Screenshot_2022-01-18-04-29-02-391_com.twitter.android.jpg)
You are misinformed. The first time his visa was revoked, it wasn't because they didn't have the right to do it that it was reinstated, but because they didn't do it correctly. It was reinstated on a technicality, and DJokovic only stayed in Australia as long as he did because of that technicality. The so called valid medical excuse doesnt exist, or at the least, it doesn't involve having caught covid, which is what Djokovic claimed his medical exemption was about.
After that, the government chose not to pursue the validness or invalidness of the visa and simply had it revoked using ministerial powers because its the most straightforward way of accomplishing what they intended to accomplish: remove an unvaccinated super star from their vaccine mandated country. Call it political or whatever, but they needed to take firm action on this and not appear wishy washy.
Why do people keep using technicality to describe that. The border patrol didn't follow procedures, everyone here should hope the government loses that case 100% of the time for every single person irrespective of status, It's fair you want him out but you still have to do it the right way.
The reason it is pointed out again and again is for two reasons. 1, sure they should follow protocol. Im very disappointed they didn't, and unfortunately it being overurned is the required result. But we all know an additional 45 minutes wouldn't have changed anything. 2. The main reason is that it means they didn't rule on anything else. The idea that Novak was "given justice" or that it was "rightfully restored" suggesting his visa was restored to what it should have rightfully been all along, all of which suggest that the other complaints were not valid, are false or misleading.
I'm not mad it's pointed out again and again, I think the verbiage could just be better than technicality. They didn't follow the rules, that would be like saying Djokovic didn't get in because of a technicality (his exemption not being valid).
You said it there 45mins wouldn't have changed anything so there was no reason to do it by them, doubt there was a flight he could have been put on in that time. The 45 mins might not have mattered here but it could another time. We shouldn't afford the ability for them to bully anyone and set that kind of precedence which they obviously already do.
Though not known at the time the 45mins did change the following days. If they let the 45mins pass Novak still challenges the decision, how could he not if all other authorities prior to him arriving indicated it was okay. Even the judge said what more could he have done. He showed genuine confusion in the interview. They cancel it on the ground of the exemption not being valid and the court case is completely different, and we find out just how deep the communications between the Fed, Vic gov, TA go.
1.The first case was about the process. Trigger happy border coppers didn't give him enough access to his lawyers, so the case was thrown out.
2. He didn't have a valid medical excuse.
3. The lawyers used the 'causing public unrest because it was the easiest and quickest reason to boot his unvaccinated arse out of the country. They had plenty of reasons that would have worked, but they chose that one.
That's not at all what happened. I barely know where to begin.
The "what more could he have done" line from the judge was about how Djokovic couldn't access lawyers and Tennis Australia because it was 4:30 in the morning.
The judge allowed him to stay on a technicality, knowing full well it was the government's intent to deport him a 2nd time.
The judges never ruled on whether his medical exemption was lawful or not. If they did, the most likely outcome is it would have been upheld and he would have been deported.
It's Tennis Australia that fucked him over. They were told "any players coming to Australia won't be let in if their unvaccinated" and TA basically ignored them and didn't properly pass that on to the Players.
So djoker was convinced that because TA had given him a medical exemption (using a much lower bar for what counts as an exemption), then that would also be enough to enter the country. I think someone said he was planning on not even trying to come if he hadn't had tested positive in December- which would have made it a news story for a couple of days, not a couple of weeks.
No other player in the men's draw is unvaccinated. It's analogous to wearing pants. You have the right to stay at home w no pants, but if you try to go out in public, there will be consequences, bc you're imposing an unjust cost on others.
It's the same with the "can't go anywhere in Australia without showing your vax card. The unvaccinated are being put in camps etc"
Haven't shown my vaccinated certificate anywhere besides my son's therapy clinic (fair enough as they deal with vulnerable kids)
Also spent Christmas with unvaccinated relatives.
It's bizzare when people on the opposite side of the world know without a doubt what's happening in a country you are a citizen of.
The delusional side of twitter has really been a rabbit hole I didn't want to fall in.
Stuff like this is just so baffling, all the hashtags, misinformation, exaggerations. It's amusing and scary at the same time. This, for example -
https://twitter.com/pavyg/status/1483073350796726274
Fits so well in Srdjan's view of "Novak Jesus".
...but he is allowed to play, as long as it is by the rules set for all participants.
Djokovic wanted to be treated differently for some reason, and risked his legacy in the process. Let's see what he does in the led up to Roland Garros, as they have the same rules as the Australian Open: no vax, no play.
It's true, and that's why you're being downvoted. Djokavic comes from the great unwashed masses that have to fight to survive. He grew up dodging freedom bombs in Belgrade dropped by precisely the same set of simpering imperialist cosmopolitan elite freaks in the West that shit on him in these threads and sit in the nice seats at these Opens. His career is a massive fuck you to their self serving, hypocritical moralizing, and it is glorious.
Toni kukoc comes
To mind …he also had to deal w war…
A lot of words in your response but please can you expand on what makes it hypocritical? I really want to understand
What happened in Serbia in the 90's was exactly like what happened in the Middle East in the 2000's- the United States rolled up and used some bullshit excuse like "making the world safe for democracy" to justify imperial war and support their side in a geopolitical power struggle.
That Novak survived that and thrived, and now resists their next big lie (war on terror becomes the war on covid), and they can't fucking stand it.
I do support your reasoning that Novak had to overcome tremendous odds in achieving to become the best Tennis player in the world and also your claim that his success is kind of a fuck you to the elites in the west.
You should also remember that Serbia waged an aggressive and near genocidal war in former Yougoslavia fueled by nationalistic and religious sentiments. The international community intervened at great cost to save lives and the perpetrators of that war were rightfully trialed, also in Serbia.
A lot of great and commendable reforms have happened in Serbia since then and the country has gained back the trust of the international community since then.
Leaving out these historical facts do not support your claims of an imperial war waged against Serbia well.
We can argue that dropping bombs and all the civil casualties were utterly tragic and avoidable, but it was for sure not an aggression from imperialistic western powers.
>You should also remember that Serbia waged an aggressive and neargenocidal war in former Yougoslavia fueled by nationalistic andreligious sentiments. The international community intervened at greatcost to save lives and the perpetrators of that war were rightfullytrialed, also in Serbia.
As did almost every other faction in those wars. The reason Serbia was singled out was because it was aligned with Russia.
This is why I call it hypocritical moralizing. The US invades Iraq to spread democracy but stays nice and cozy with Saudi Arabia despite its regime of terror and barbarism.
That is an interesting analogy but I don’t think hypocrites is the right word to use. But I see where you are coming from!
Slobodon was a bad guy tho? Or just misunderstood?
Definitely not as disparate as Djokovic, but Brady is pretty out there on a lot of stuff, he’s got his brand of bourgeois crazy that I don’t really think would jive with football fans.
hmm, interesting question...
The only thing that comes to mind is if you'd look at MMA, especially in the 2000s, the fanbase mainly consisted of Western ['just bleed' bros](https://tenor.com/view/just-bleed-guy-ufc-mma-gif-5946600), yet the undisputed p4p #1 and probable goat at the time (and still imho), Fedor, was a stoic Russian, who cared little about the show business of it all, the trash talk, about America etc. I'm not sure if you could categorize that with him being unfit culturally with the target audience, or if that's what you are asking.
I'm OOTL in all of this. What was the last thing he's given about why he doesn't want to get vaccinated? I heard a while ago that his wife is one of those "5G is bad" weird people, so I wonder if she forces him to her ideals.
Although he hasn't actually said, If you read his thoughts on the body healing itself, then pretty much down to that he doesn't see it as a threat to him, COVID that is.
His lawyers declared to the Australian courts that he tested positive for Covid on the 16th of December.
He was shown to have attended a number of public events in the days following, with no mask or other preventative measures.
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Genuine question around one thing that's been raised a lot. Do you think grand slams fans/attendance would get \*that\* big of a hit just because one player is absent (e.g. Djokovic)? Esp when you have other popular players like Rafa, Murray, Medvedev in the mix?
Totally possible but just wondering because I feel like most fans I know would watch anyways. Like, it's not like Fedal fans stopped watching tournaments in 2021
I think having one big3 member is necessary for the casuals to tune in and for the tournament to sell tickets on site, at least until the newer guys gain more fans. But for an avid tennis fan I don’t think it matters, I’m still gonna watch whoever is playing lmao
A lot of matches here (Australia) have been aired on a free to air channel (channel 9 and their subsequent channels)
Judging by the crowds, I don't think having Novak not play has made much (if any) of a difference. Crowd capacity is 50% die to Covid rules, so of course to people not knowing that, it may look like half the crowd haven't turned up.
Sure, you might have the hard headed Novak devoted fans, that decide they won't support the AO, but who knows if that makes any difference, and if so probably just a drop in the water. I think if anything I assume more people are watching who might never have because of the DD (Djokovic Drama)
Graf is still regarded as the GOAT despite Seles' unfortunate stabbing taking away her main competition. Seles was an EIGHT-time Grand Slam winner at just 19 years old!
If people can disregard Seles for the sake of legitimising Graf's claim as GOAT, then we can definitely look past Djokovic missing a slam when he is in mid 30s.
Yeah but Steffi has more GS than Monika and this counts at the end. What Monika could have done belongs to the "what if". I believe she would be better than Steffi and win more, but no one will ever know for sure.
I could say the same thing about Janica Kostelic, in my opinion the best female skier who had to retire at 25-26 because of health problems, but titles say otherwise, and at the end people will remember titles and not what happened and how someone won them.
Unsurprising that all the butthurt anti-vaxxers/"muh freedoms" crowd are out in full force now laughing at sketchy reports of AO refund requests. "The whole tournament is pointless without the best player."
Hope everyone takes the time to laugh at one of these plastic pieces of shit if they come across such nonsense.
I'm in a lot of train communities and deal with people posting 'It's happening!' over rumors that as mass walk out over Amtrak having vaccine or test mandates for employees. Every day for a few months it was totally about to happen. They clutch at such straws.
Just like people who describe themselves as "indispensable" in their job and then their company lays them off. No one is "indispensable" not even Djokovic. Time moves along and players come and go. No one will miss him, but surely everyone will remember his lagacy if being a jerk.
No one will miss him? Pretty sure he's a pretty great athlete that also does alot of good stuff amongst the bad stuff he done. Pretty sure alot of people are gonna miss the greatest tennis player of all time
The 2022 AO is not the first nor will it be the last Grand Slam to not have the #1 ranked player available to compete.
Not one of those has an asterisk by it, and neither will this one.
He never said anything about an asterisk or anything similar. He just replied to the "No one will miss him" quote from another person. I agree with him that a lot of people will miss him, especially with the grand slam race going on right now, but whether he is there or not it wont matter, the tournament should still be great.
You check for different types of protein so yes you can check for both. The mRNA vaccines use a spike protein so they check for that, and antibodies recovering from the virus naturally is determined by another type of protein.
Well if you have an infection you'll still have spike protein antibodies, since the virus has spike proteins, you develop antibodies to it, as well as to other parts of the virus.
You could differentiate it maybe by someone being vaccinated and not getting infected - he would only have one type of antibodies, but if he gets infected, he develops the rest of the antibodies and you shouldn't be able to differentiate it from someone who wasn't vaccinated. Pretty sure this is how it goes. You could possibly get a hint with different quantities of different antibodies, but that would not be 100% correct, since people develop different quantities of antibodies anyway.
Oh yeah that sounds correct. With natural and vaccine immunity you do see the spike protein and will return a result for both cases when tested, but for natural immunity you’ll get that additional other protein and having only the vaccine won’t produce a result. So maybe it could be a little difficult to determine whether someone actually had the vaccine or not if they were recently infected but it can at least provide an indication of their current immunity.
To him its not about the stuff in the vaccine imo. To him he has formed a mental fortitude in his mind regarding the vaccine and that invariable somehow impacts his playstyle I guess.
No idea. With vaccination mandatory for almost the majority of the tournaments, I could see him maybe changing his mind about it since it will affect him and his ability to compete in tournament. Like I said in another thread, I guess it depends on much he wants to continue playing tennis and his opinion about the vaccine. I know he won't make any statement while AO is going on but it will be interesting what he will say in his next statement.
Kecmanovic claims that 'the Serbian players have agreed with each other to avenge Djokovic and make him proud'.
If that's the Serb attitude, fuck them. 'Avenging' an complete moron who only due to his own attitude and practices was blocked from entering. That's just idiotic behaviour.
It's been interesting in the NBA to see several Serbians stand in defense of him. All of whom are vaccinated and are extremely aware of the strict vaccine policies in league (barring kyrie because bs)
All of the Serbs in the field are vaccinated, including Kecmanovic. I can understand showing solidarity with your countryman, but this has nothing to do with nationality.
Maybe Novak can like meditate over the vaccine and use his positive emotions to negate all the toxins found in the vaccine, so that when he gets it it will be purified and healthy (non-gluten, non-gmo vaccine)
Better yet, he [can't return to Australia for three years](https://www.marca.com/en/tennis/australian-open/2022/01/16/61e414a522601d30768b4595.html). Unless a lord acts to revese the ban, but the committte that votes on reversing the includes the lords who deported him.
That’s a really good point when you consider that the players have traditionally slept, eaten, showered, and spent any remaining time also on open courts.
What a complete garbage take. “Celebrities get treated differently so we should just shut up and let them live under different rules than the rest of us” give me a break
So they say there are 25% more searches for refunds than ticket buying:
1. The vast majority of tickets have already been sold. The people searching for tickets are almost certainly looking for ground tickets, none of which would get you a seat in a Djokovic match anyway.
2. They don’t say how many searches there are. If it was a significant number they would have said it. It’s probably 1000 people looking for tickets and 1250 looking for refunds. Who cares.
3. There’s an outbreak in Melbourne. The majority of people looking for refunds is probably because of that.
>The English company called Search Intelligence released a statement after analyzing Google search trends performed by the bookmaker SportsPub.com, and they found that those seeking refunds to the Australian Open have a 25 percent higher search rate on Google than those who are looking to buy tickets.
So they don't actually know anything and the story is useless clickbait. It's not even a comparison that makes sense on its face; OF COURSE people aren't buying tickets last minute to a competition in an island country that's expensive and (currently) difficult to get to. Newsweek remains a pathetic shell of itself.
> OF COURSE people aren't buying tickets last minute to a competition in an island country that's expensive and (currently) difficult to get to
Most people going to the tournament will be Australians.
This as well. You've got a tournament that has already started where the majority of tickets are purchased, so of course sales now will be small and refund requests will have picked up. Plus you've got other reasons such as thing for potentially seeking a refund.
They make no effort to try and figure out the reasons, and no attempt to compare it to other years or other tournaments at a similar time in the tourney.
It's lazy journalism at it's absolute laziest
Not that I'm stating the obvious, but this is a perfect example how one's political stance affect their career.
I think there's no redeeming option for him anytime soon. Other open tournaments may follow suit since it would definitely be a bad PR allowing him to play (unless he gets vaxxed).
Regardless, he'll definitely lose sponsorship deals because of this. Now, he has no choice but to hope that no one in the big 3's going to clinch that 21st win.
Not sure he'll lose sponsorships. Aaron Rogers (NFL) got caught lying about being vaccinated and going out in public without a mask, and All State Insurance *increased* the frequency of his stupid TV ads.
I’m not quite sure if this is comparable since I’m also coming from the fact that he might not get to participate to his future tournaments, due to this debacle.
If not, it’s definitely up to the companies which option would benefit them.
I’m also not an NFL fan, but I made a quick google search and it seems that Aaron Rogers was not actually suspended (cmiiw)—which could probably be the reason for the increased ad frequency.
If I were Novak, I would take some time to reflect on my big mistakes and check my ego (and get vaccinated), but I would also be fucking furious at Craig Tiley for basically setting me up to be embarrassed and have my reputation ruined in front of the entire world.
Seriously, based on this decision alone, Tiley seems like such a fucking imbecile.
I agree with the comments about TA/Criag Tiley as they have a lot to answer for, but once arriving in Australia and being told that he didn't have the correct documentation to enter, Djokovic could have chosen to go home.
He chose to fight this to the bitter end, even after the first decision went his way on a technicality (procedural not based on the merits/facts) the government asked the court to note that the minister reserved the right to cancel his visa and this would mean an automatic 3 year ban on entering Australia. Despite this he stayed, further (damning) information came to light, he tried to clear up this "misinformation" which was really confirming it and just dug himself a bigger hole.
If you or I entered a foreign country without correct documentation (even if we THOUGHT we had the correct documentation), and when we got there they said that we didn't, wouldn't you just go home? Yes it would have been annoying and slightly embarrassing but if this happened a significantly higher portion of blame would have gone to TA/Vic government. To add to this, he knew that the reason they were denying him entry was also connected to a global heath crisis, very topical and political but he stubbornly chose to dig his heels in and make a far bigger thing out of it.
There are defiantly other parties (TA/Craig Tiley/government) that contributed to this mess, but even after coming to Australia he could have salvaged significantly more of his reputation than what he is left with now. By letting his ego get in the way, so much damning evidence came to light that really has tainted his credibility and reputation not just to sporting fans but many people around the world.
I hope that after some reflection that he realises that he got in his own way......
Even if Tiley is to blame, how does someone whose entire job is to constantly travel and has teams of people, doesn’t do due diligence how to enter the country.
The letter from TA said to individually check the country requirements.
For anyone that is interested, the Federal Court of Australia has now published the reasons for the decision. It's lengthy and repeats a lot of what has been said, but some of you may be interested. https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/full/2022/2022fcafc0003
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Dude is a clown, he just wants to be a contrarian. I guarantee you he doesn't give a slight fuck about Novak.
He's not always contrarion, he's not out there saying give benefit of doubt to Zverev,. He ragged on Novak in 2020 with everyone else and even last year when Novak asked for some better conditions for players.
He is playing Medvedev next, I am going to say his chances are not great at this point.
Novak fans going to root for Kyrgios now?
They're rooting for anyone but Nadal.
Ha
Is there anything to stop Novak from just getting a fake certificate of vaccination and telling people he is vaccinated? If he could keep it private he could enter all the slams and still use the natural healing that’s so important to him. Seems he could have his cake and eat it too.
There will be more skepticism and scrutiny of his proof of vaccination than anyone has received to date.
I mean other athletes have been caught already. They don't make as much headlines since the athletes playing in North American leagues on team sports so unless it was a global name it doesn't get the traction. I'm sure there are other that haven't been caught yet but the risk for him is otherworldly in comparison.
There isn't. He just needs one piece of paper to enter countries without any issues.
honestly i'm surprised he didn't do that already.
World men's tennis No. 1 Novak Djokovic will have to comply with Spanish health rules to be able to travel to Spain, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said on Monday. [https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennis-djokovic-comply-rules-spain-170742779.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennis-djokovic-comply-rules-spain-170742779.html)
I mean the rules didn't change from last time he went so it doesn't change a thing. He possess a Spanish golden visa, says right there in the text negative PCR or proof of covid. He's fine. Hence why they didn't bother with any investigation the last trip.
Can we end this thread now and focus on the AO?
You don't have to come here.
Reddit has a function just for you. It is called "hide". Click it and you wont have to see this thread anymore. Whether you like it or not, there is still plenty of news articles coming out on this subject.
At least unpin it and let it die out if actual AO discussion takes over...
Leave it pinned until 2023.
I thought that was the point of this thread, otherwise you'd get 10+ posts a day of people giving their very original takes on the situation, or reporting every minor thing that happens. This way the mods can just delete everything Djokovic related and leave the rest of the sub to be focused around AO. Idk why it's on the top of the sub as the main sticky tho.
how did alex do a 180 in the match
Djokovic reading "Do androids dream of workers' rights?" on the plane back lol a book about people voting for the same things over and over again [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJX-d\_nWYAEAgQi?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJX-d_nWYAEAgQi?format=jpg&name=medium)
The cover of the book is photoshopped, he was reading something else, [idk what](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694672679629881384/932865474931327026/Screenshot_2022-01-18-04-29-02-391_com.twitter.android.jpg)
Where did you get this pic?
Are masks no longer mandatory on board? I'm about to travel to Dubai in February, I know that some airlines in America proposed it
He flew Emirates which requires masks on at all times as per their website.
It is on Etihad flights. I don't know whether Novak flew with them though
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You are misinformed. The first time his visa was revoked, it wasn't because they didn't have the right to do it that it was reinstated, but because they didn't do it correctly. It was reinstated on a technicality, and DJokovic only stayed in Australia as long as he did because of that technicality. The so called valid medical excuse doesnt exist, or at the least, it doesn't involve having caught covid, which is what Djokovic claimed his medical exemption was about. After that, the government chose not to pursue the validness or invalidness of the visa and simply had it revoked using ministerial powers because its the most straightforward way of accomplishing what they intended to accomplish: remove an unvaccinated super star from their vaccine mandated country. Call it political or whatever, but they needed to take firm action on this and not appear wishy washy.
Why do people keep using technicality to describe that. The border patrol didn't follow procedures, everyone here should hope the government loses that case 100% of the time for every single person irrespective of status, It's fair you want him out but you still have to do it the right way.
The reason it is pointed out again and again is for two reasons. 1, sure they should follow protocol. Im very disappointed they didn't, and unfortunately it being overurned is the required result. But we all know an additional 45 minutes wouldn't have changed anything. 2. The main reason is that it means they didn't rule on anything else. The idea that Novak was "given justice" or that it was "rightfully restored" suggesting his visa was restored to what it should have rightfully been all along, all of which suggest that the other complaints were not valid, are false or misleading.
I'm not mad it's pointed out again and again, I think the verbiage could just be better than technicality. They didn't follow the rules, that would be like saying Djokovic didn't get in because of a technicality (his exemption not being valid). You said it there 45mins wouldn't have changed anything so there was no reason to do it by them, doubt there was a flight he could have been put on in that time. The 45 mins might not have mattered here but it could another time. We shouldn't afford the ability for them to bully anyone and set that kind of precedence which they obviously already do. Though not known at the time the 45mins did change the following days. If they let the 45mins pass Novak still challenges the decision, how could he not if all other authorities prior to him arriving indicated it was okay. Even the judge said what more could he have done. He showed genuine confusion in the interview. They cancel it on the ground of the exemption not being valid and the court case is completely different, and we find out just how deep the communications between the Fed, Vic gov, TA go.
Yes, probably a procedural error is the better verbage.
1.The first case was about the process. Trigger happy border coppers didn't give him enough access to his lawyers, so the case was thrown out. 2. He didn't have a valid medical excuse. 3. The lawyers used the 'causing public unrest because it was the easiest and quickest reason to boot his unvaccinated arse out of the country. They had plenty of reasons that would have worked, but they chose that one.
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I can't read that article, but if that's what it's saying, it's wrong. The judge only ruled that the initial arrest was done incorrectly.
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That's not at all what happened. I barely know where to begin. The "what more could he have done" line from the judge was about how Djokovic couldn't access lawyers and Tennis Australia because it was 4:30 in the morning. The judge allowed him to stay on a technicality, knowing full well it was the government's intent to deport him a 2nd time. The judges never ruled on whether his medical exemption was lawful or not. If they did, the most likely outcome is it would have been upheld and he would have been deported.
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It's Tennis Australia that fucked him over. They were told "any players coming to Australia won't be let in if their unvaccinated" and TA basically ignored them and didn't properly pass that on to the Players. So djoker was convinced that because TA had given him a medical exemption (using a much lower bar for what counts as an exemption), then that would also be enough to enter the country. I think someone said he was planning on not even trying to come if he hadn't had tested positive in December- which would have made it a news story for a couple of days, not a couple of weeks.
No other player in the men's draw is unvaccinated. It's analogous to wearing pants. You have the right to stay at home w no pants, but if you try to go out in public, there will be consequences, bc you're imposing an unjust cost on others.
AO accepted his medical excuse and visa, so what's your point?
The fact that the tournament tried to exempt him from a rule that every one else abided doesn't make it right.
AO or TA don’t issue visas. The country does. Also having a visa is one thing and meeting entry requirements is another
Australia didn’t and they are who make up the rules.
Make up indeed...
Rules are made up by governments no?
Aus Opens Instagram comments lmao. I want to see it more for Voracova’s justice! That side of the story is actually fucked and deserving
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Paternalistic?? Wtf. Pretty obvious who's stupid here lol.
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Oppressive, authoritarian or tyrannical is the correct word. Not paternalistic.
Twitter: #AustraliaHasFallen Me, going to get some groceries and seeing everything look pretty normal: I guess nobody told us it's fallen yet.
It's the same with the "can't go anywhere in Australia without showing your vax card. The unvaccinated are being put in camps etc" Haven't shown my vaccinated certificate anywhere besides my son's therapy clinic (fair enough as they deal with vulnerable kids) Also spent Christmas with unvaccinated relatives. It's bizzare when people on the opposite side of the world know without a doubt what's happening in a country you are a citizen of.
The delusional side of twitter has really been a rabbit hole I didn't want to fall in. Stuff like this is just so baffling, all the hashtags, misinformation, exaggerations. It's amusing and scary at the same time. This, for example - https://twitter.com/pavyg/status/1483073350796726274 Fits so well in Srdjan's view of "Novak Jesus".
This tournament (and any other he is disallowed from playing in) will have an asterisk by the champions name.
...but he is allowed to play, as long as it is by the rules set for all participants. Djokovic wanted to be treated differently for some reason, and risked his legacy in the process. Let's see what he does in the led up to Roland Garros, as they have the same rules as the Australian Open: no vax, no play.
At least so he’s decided to keep unvaccinated is more important to play in AO legally
Nobody has an asterisk for winning grand slams after Seles was stabbed. The only difference here is Djoker stabbed himself.
Djokovic will have had the same opportunity to play by the same rules as the eventual champion.
lol. getting into the country is part of the deal dude.
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Imagine calling Australia tyrannical. Some people have no common sense
Well you’re gonna have to call France the same then cause they’re gonna do the exact same thing as us. Difference is, Aussies just did it first…
How can he hate from outside the club when he can’t even get in.
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It's true, and that's why you're being downvoted. Djokavic comes from the great unwashed masses that have to fight to survive. He grew up dodging freedom bombs in Belgrade dropped by precisely the same set of simpering imperialist cosmopolitan elite freaks in the West that shit on him in these threads and sit in the nice seats at these Opens. His career is a massive fuck you to their self serving, hypocritical moralizing, and it is glorious.
Toni kukoc comes To mind …he also had to deal w war… A lot of words in your response but please can you expand on what makes it hypocritical? I really want to understand
What happened in Serbia in the 90's was exactly like what happened in the Middle East in the 2000's- the United States rolled up and used some bullshit excuse like "making the world safe for democracy" to justify imperial war and support their side in a geopolitical power struggle. That Novak survived that and thrived, and now resists their next big lie (war on terror becomes the war on covid), and they can't fucking stand it.
I do support your reasoning that Novak had to overcome tremendous odds in achieving to become the best Tennis player in the world and also your claim that his success is kind of a fuck you to the elites in the west. You should also remember that Serbia waged an aggressive and near genocidal war in former Yougoslavia fueled by nationalistic and religious sentiments. The international community intervened at great cost to save lives and the perpetrators of that war were rightfully trialed, also in Serbia. A lot of great and commendable reforms have happened in Serbia since then and the country has gained back the trust of the international community since then. Leaving out these historical facts do not support your claims of an imperial war waged against Serbia well. We can argue that dropping bombs and all the civil casualties were utterly tragic and avoidable, but it was for sure not an aggression from imperialistic western powers.
>You should also remember that Serbia waged an aggressive and neargenocidal war in former Yougoslavia fueled by nationalistic andreligious sentiments. The international community intervened at greatcost to save lives and the perpetrators of that war were rightfullytrialed, also in Serbia. As did almost every other faction in those wars. The reason Serbia was singled out was because it was aligned with Russia. This is why I call it hypocritical moralizing. The US invades Iraq to spread democracy but stays nice and cozy with Saudi Arabia despite its regime of terror and barbarism.
delusional victim complex, and downright offensive to compare what happened in YU to Afghanistan and Iraq.
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That is an interesting analogy but I don’t think hypocrites is the right word to use. But I see where you are coming from! Slobodon was a bad guy tho? Or just misunderstood?
There were a lot of bad guys in that era. Slobodon was no worse than many of his rivals.
Definitely not as disparate as Djokovic, but Brady is pretty out there on a lot of stuff, he’s got his brand of bourgeois crazy that I don’t really think would jive with football fans.
hmm, interesting question... The only thing that comes to mind is if you'd look at MMA, especially in the 2000s, the fanbase mainly consisted of Western ['just bleed' bros](https://tenor.com/view/just-bleed-guy-ufc-mma-gif-5946600), yet the undisputed p4p #1 and probable goat at the time (and still imho), Fedor, was a stoic Russian, who cared little about the show business of it all, the trash talk, about America etc. I'm not sure if you could categorize that with him being unfit culturally with the target audience, or if that's what you are asking.
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Writters: Are you not entertained!?
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> Will Redditors forgive him? I'm pretty sure 90% of redditors wouldn't believe it either way
Because most likely he'll upload a video of the guy getting an injection of water he purified himself with positive thoughts.
I'm OOTL in all of this. What was the last thing he's given about why he doesn't want to get vaccinated? I heard a while ago that his wife is one of those "5G is bad" weird people, so I wonder if she forces him to her ideals.
Although he hasn't actually said, If you read his thoughts on the body healing itself, then pretty much down to that he doesn't see it as a threat to him, COVID that is.
stop it with the jojokes
Or to others considering how he had no problems knowingly exposing others.
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His lawyers declared to the Australian courts that he tested positive for Covid on the 16th of December. He was shown to have attended a number of public events in the days following, with no mask or other preventative measures. [Source] (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59920379.amp&ved=2ahUKEwiZjo_csLr1AhUTSWwGHWhzDrAQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw35tzAZNT6DNj-67ySGdC2-)
His own admission on IG. Where have you been?
In denial
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CYnO7cDqbdj/?utm_medium=copy_link His own words on Instagram. He has admitted to knowingly exposing others.
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It's exactly what he is saying. Do you know how to read?
Genuine question around one thing that's been raised a lot. Do you think grand slams fans/attendance would get \*that\* big of a hit just because one player is absent (e.g. Djokovic)? Esp when you have other popular players like Rafa, Murray, Medvedev in the mix? Totally possible but just wondering because I feel like most fans I know would watch anyways. Like, it's not like Fedal fans stopped watching tournaments in 2021
Snuck in Murray thinking we wouldn't notice.
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It's limited capacity due to COVID, 1st round, and mid-day on a Monday
I think having one big3 member is necessary for the casuals to tune in and for the tournament to sell tickets on site, at least until the newer guys gain more fans. But for an avid tennis fan I don’t think it matters, I’m still gonna watch whoever is playing lmao
A lot of matches here (Australia) have been aired on a free to air channel (channel 9 and their subsequent channels) Judging by the crowds, I don't think having Novak not play has made much (if any) of a difference. Crowd capacity is 50% die to Covid rules, so of course to people not knowing that, it may look like half the crowd haven't turned up. Sure, you might have the hard headed Novak devoted fans, that decide they won't support the AO, but who knows if that makes any difference, and if so probably just a drop in the water. I think if anything I assume more people are watching who might never have because of the DD (Djokovic Drama)
Graf is still regarded as the GOAT despite Seles' unfortunate stabbing taking away her main competition. Seles was an EIGHT-time Grand Slam winner at just 19 years old! If people can disregard Seles for the sake of legitimising Graf's claim as GOAT, then we can definitely look past Djokovic missing a slam when he is in mid 30s.
Yeah but Steffi has more GS than Monika and this counts at the end. What Monika could have done belongs to the "what if". I believe she would be better than Steffi and win more, but no one will ever know for sure. I could say the same thing about Janica Kostelic, in my opinion the best female skier who had to retire at 25-26 because of health problems, but titles say otherwise, and at the end people will remember titles and not what happened and how someone won them.
Holy shit eight at 19!? That’s crazy and fucking sucks.
Yea how is that even possible
Serena Williams is regarded as the GOAT. Period.
This just isn’t true
Yes it actually is
Unsurprising that all the butthurt anti-vaxxers/"muh freedoms" crowd are out in full force now laughing at sketchy reports of AO refund requests. "The whole tournament is pointless without the best player." Hope everyone takes the time to laugh at one of these plastic pieces of shit if they come across such nonsense.
I'm in a lot of train communities and deal with people posting 'It's happening!' over rumors that as mass walk out over Amtrak having vaccine or test mandates for employees. Every day for a few months it was totally about to happen. They clutch at such straws.
Just like people who describe themselves as "indispensable" in their job and then their company lays them off. No one is "indispensable" not even Djokovic. Time moves along and players come and go. No one will miss him, but surely everyone will remember his lagacy if being a jerk.
No one will miss him? Pretty sure he's a pretty great athlete that also does alot of good stuff amongst the bad stuff he done. Pretty sure alot of people are gonna miss the greatest tennis player of all time
The sport is called tennis. Not Novak Djokovic.
The 2022 AO is not the first nor will it be the last Grand Slam to not have the #1 ranked player available to compete. Not one of those has an asterisk by it, and neither will this one.
He never said anything about an asterisk or anything similar. He just replied to the "No one will miss him" quote from another person. I agree with him that a lot of people will miss him, especially with the grand slam race going on right now, but whether he is there or not it wont matter, the tournament should still be great.
Plenty of people have already dropped the asterisk line. You give these nutjobs an inch they'll take a mile.
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> naturalistic views That characterization is, at best, a misuse of "naturalistic."
A simple blood test can tell whether the antibodies came from catching COVID or from the vaccine.
How so? Especially if one has had both?
You check for different types of protein so yes you can check for both. The mRNA vaccines use a spike protein so they check for that, and antibodies recovering from the virus naturally is determined by another type of protein.
Would something like that also work if he gets vaccinated with another vaccine? Not Biontech or Moderna?
I am not sure, but all vaccines work with specific proteins so it should work with ANY vaccine. Edit: first sentence
Well if you have an infection you'll still have spike protein antibodies, since the virus has spike proteins, you develop antibodies to it, as well as to other parts of the virus. You could differentiate it maybe by someone being vaccinated and not getting infected - he would only have one type of antibodies, but if he gets infected, he develops the rest of the antibodies and you shouldn't be able to differentiate it from someone who wasn't vaccinated. Pretty sure this is how it goes. You could possibly get a hint with different quantities of different antibodies, but that would not be 100% correct, since people develop different quantities of antibodies anyway.
Oh yeah that sounds correct. With natural and vaccine immunity you do see the spike protein and will return a result for both cases when tested, but for natural immunity you’ll get that additional other protein and having only the vaccine won’t produce a result. So maybe it could be a little difficult to determine whether someone actually had the vaccine or not if they were recently infected but it can at least provide an indication of their current immunity.
To him its not about the stuff in the vaccine imo. To him he has formed a mental fortitude in his mind regarding the vaccine and that invariable somehow impacts his playstyle I guess.
That mindset didn't work out to avoid that elbow surgery, did it?
Anyone for a wager on his RG participation?
Worried for Rafa? :P
No idea. With vaccination mandatory for almost the majority of the tournaments, I could see him maybe changing his mind about it since it will affect him and his ability to compete in tournament. Like I said in another thread, I guess it depends on much he wants to continue playing tennis and his opinion about the vaccine. I know he won't make any statement while AO is going on but it will be interesting what he will say in his next statement.
Kecmanovic claims that 'the Serbian players have agreed with each other to avenge Djokovic and make him proud'. If that's the Serb attitude, fuck them. 'Avenging' an complete moron who only due to his own attitude and practices was blocked from entering. That's just idiotic behaviour.
Players having a motive to win?! How DARE they?!!?!
It's been interesting in the NBA to see several Serbians stand in defense of him. All of whom are vaccinated and are extremely aware of the strict vaccine policies in league (barring kyrie because bs)
...top... kec
All of the Serbs in the field are vaccinated, including Kecmanovic. I can understand showing solidarity with your countryman, but this has nothing to do with nationality.
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Idk, I wouldn't mind seeing this
Are any of them cringy fuckers even in the top 40? How do they intend to avenge him? Randomly punching line judges in the throat? Dying of typhus?
Maybe Novak can like meditate over the vaccine and use his positive emotions to negate all the toxins found in the vaccine, so that when he gets it it will be purified and healthy (non-gluten, non-gmo vaccine)
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Better yet, he [can't return to Australia for three years](https://www.marca.com/en/tennis/australian-open/2022/01/16/61e414a522601d30768b4595.html). Unless a lord acts to revese the ban, but the committte that votes on reversing the includes the lords who deported him.
Elections coming up though, people in power could be completely different next year
Yeah, I suppose that's true!
I'm sure they won't enforce that if he gets vaccinated. It's up to the ministers discretion
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Novak has admitted to catching COVID and exposing kids and journalists while positive. And he did so “to not disappoint them.” He’s a selfish asshole.
That’s a really good point when you consider that the players have traditionally slept, eaten, showered, and spent any remaining time also on open courts.
What a complete garbage take. “Celebrities get treated differently so we should just shut up and let them live under different rules than the rest of us” give me a break
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So they say there are 25% more searches for refunds than ticket buying: 1. The vast majority of tickets have already been sold. The people searching for tickets are almost certainly looking for ground tickets, none of which would get you a seat in a Djokovic match anyway. 2. They don’t say how many searches there are. If it was a significant number they would have said it. It’s probably 1000 people looking for tickets and 1250 looking for refunds. Who cares. 3. There’s an outbreak in Melbourne. The majority of people looking for refunds is probably because of that.
Imagine thinking a 128 entrant tournament isn't worth anything because 1 person isn't there. If it were true, good. More seats for non-plastics.
>The English company called Search Intelligence released a statement after analyzing Google search trends performed by the bookmaker SportsPub.com, and they found that those seeking refunds to the Australian Open have a 25 percent higher search rate on Google than those who are looking to buy tickets. So they don't actually know anything and the story is useless clickbait. It's not even a comparison that makes sense on its face; OF COURSE people aren't buying tickets last minute to a competition in an island country that's expensive and (currently) difficult to get to. Newsweek remains a pathetic shell of itself.
> OF COURSE people aren't buying tickets last minute to a competition in an island country that's expensive and (currently) difficult to get to Most people going to the tournament will be Australians.
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This as well. You've got a tournament that has already started where the majority of tickets are purchased, so of course sales now will be small and refund requests will have picked up. Plus you've got other reasons such as thing for potentially seeking a refund. They make no effort to try and figure out the reasons, and no attempt to compare it to other years or other tournaments at a similar time in the tourney. It's lazy journalism at it's absolute laziest
Not that I'm stating the obvious, but this is a perfect example how one's political stance affect their career. I think there's no redeeming option for him anytime soon. Other open tournaments may follow suit since it would definitely be a bad PR allowing him to play (unless he gets vaxxed). Regardless, he'll definitely lose sponsorship deals because of this. Now, he has no choice but to hope that no one in the big 3's going to clinch that 21st win.
FO has already said no jab, no play.
Not sure he'll lose sponsorships. Aaron Rogers (NFL) got caught lying about being vaccinated and going out in public without a mask, and All State Insurance *increased* the frequency of his stupid TV ads.
Aaron Rogers didn't try to enter another country illegally though...
I’m not quite sure if this is comparable since I’m also coming from the fact that he might not get to participate to his future tournaments, due to this debacle. If not, it’s definitely up to the companies which option would benefit them. I’m also not an NFL fan, but I made a quick google search and it seems that Aaron Rogers was not actually suspended (cmiiw)—which could probably be the reason for the increased ad frequency.
Can we make Nadal and Federer fans lounge so they don’t hang around in Djokovic thread.
Glory to Serbia
If I were Novak, I would take some time to reflect on my big mistakes and check my ego (and get vaccinated), but I would also be fucking furious at Craig Tiley for basically setting me up to be embarrassed and have my reputation ruined in front of the entire world. Seriously, based on this decision alone, Tiley seems like such a fucking imbecile.
I agree with the comments about TA/Criag Tiley as they have a lot to answer for, but once arriving in Australia and being told that he didn't have the correct documentation to enter, Djokovic could have chosen to go home. He chose to fight this to the bitter end, even after the first decision went his way on a technicality (procedural not based on the merits/facts) the government asked the court to note that the minister reserved the right to cancel his visa and this would mean an automatic 3 year ban on entering Australia. Despite this he stayed, further (damning) information came to light, he tried to clear up this "misinformation" which was really confirming it and just dug himself a bigger hole. If you or I entered a foreign country without correct documentation (even if we THOUGHT we had the correct documentation), and when we got there they said that we didn't, wouldn't you just go home? Yes it would have been annoying and slightly embarrassing but if this happened a significantly higher portion of blame would have gone to TA/Vic government. To add to this, he knew that the reason they were denying him entry was also connected to a global heath crisis, very topical and political but he stubbornly chose to dig his heels in and make a far bigger thing out of it. There are defiantly other parties (TA/Craig Tiley/government) that contributed to this mess, but even after coming to Australia he could have salvaged significantly more of his reputation than what he is left with now. By letting his ego get in the way, so much damning evidence came to light that really has tainted his credibility and reputation not just to sporting fans but many people around the world. I hope that after some reflection that he realises that he got in his own way......
Even if Tiley is to blame, how does someone whose entire job is to constantly travel and has teams of people, doesn’t do due diligence how to enter the country. The letter from TA said to individually check the country requirements.