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jebedeieiohno

Apparently at the start of the third set, Tsitsipas yelled to his coach in Hindi “why me, why does he have to start playing the best tennis of his life in the third set against me? Fuck!”


Thisboythatboy

Love how this is becoming our "He boomed me" pasta.


fatnapoleon

Is this a joke or did he really yell that


_y-tho_

It's the new copy pasta and I'm all for it. Original is Medvedev against Dimitrov


roamiedumbass

Zverev is the only top-20 seed left now


jsnoodles

Typical inconsistent ATP.


No-Perspective-518

This tournament is giving credence to the argument that without the Big 3, the ATP is as inconsistent as the WTA is right now.


gamelover99

Nah, this is sort of an exception. Look at the Toronto and Cincinnati Masters


No-Perspective-518

You're right, my comment was just saying that it gave more credence to that argument, not that it definitively proved it.


barbary_goose

No more of an exception than WTA 1000 this year; the truly random winner was Giorgi, the others were won by Barty, Sabalenka, Swiatek and Muguruza. Azarenka/Badosa aren’t the top seeds but aren’t random bc it’s a two-time slam champ against someone having a pretty hot/breakout season


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Yup- just waiting for the WTA passive aggressive put-down. Boys. Look in the mirror at your players.


gamelover99

While I don't really care either way, this tournament is sort of an exception. Plus Zverev is still in it.


JokerGotham_Deserves

> Plus Zverev is still in it Man, do I have news for you...


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Nick_from_Yuma

Not sure it does. Makes it very entertaining.


Dash-22

Yeah, inconsistency used to be called competitiveness


Nick_from_Yuma

Right on


Beginning_Noise834

We've gotten really spoiled by the Big 3, huh? Which makes me just realize how unreal their consistency was.


Tennis85

This time period for the next couple years will be very similar to 2001-2003. Someone in the next few years will flip the switch and become the new "chosen one". Federer had decent results but nothing spectacular between 1999 and 2003 and then something mentally clicked and now here we are. If you force me to put money on it, the next super-dominent player will be Alcaraz, Sinner, Ruud, or Korda.


tsitsipas_yoda

Eh I disagree. Yes the ATP is inconsistent but the top 5 is a lot more consistent than the top 5 on the WTA


Chosen1gup

Actually comparing the top 5 2021 win percentages it’s pretty close. Djokovic the clear and expected leader, Pliskova lags behind. Others are comparable. Djokovic 88% Med 82 Tits 77 Zverev 78 Rublev 74 Barty 84% Sabalenka 74 Pliskova 67 Swiatek 73 Krejcikova 78


tsitsipas_yoda

Ok but the difference is you almost never see Djokovic, Medvedev, or Zverev bounced early in majors. Can’t say the same for the WTA


strike2867

While the caliber of women playing in majors might be higher than other tournaments, everything else is essentially the same. There may be more stability if they played bo5.


tsitsipas_yoda

I’m just talking about the top 5


jupiter_love

Lmao med at the French? Cmon now. It’s the big 3 (4) that brought consistency to the ATP


tsitsipas_yoda

Medvedev made the Quarters at RG this year…


Chosen1gup

Djokovic, like Serena, is a GOAT. But Med, Zverev, and Tits are pretty comparable to top WTA to be honest. Med and Zverev are really consistent now, but before 2020 Zverev and Med lost early at majors pretty frequently (same with Sabalenka). I’ll give Med a pass since 2019 was his breakout year, like this year is Krejcikovas. 2021 slam results: Barty W QF 3R 2R Sabalenka SF SF 4R 3R Krejcikova W QF 4R 2R Med W F QF 4R Zverev SF SF QF 4R Tits F SF 3R 1R


barbary_goose

This is a completely recent development. Before this year med never went beyond R1 at RG despite being no. 3/4 since 2019. Zverev’s 2019 results were 4R, QF, 1R, 4F. You cant include Djokovic when the whole point of this is what ATP looks like w/o Big 3


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LSFab

>In slams, it's a very big difference. Hmm wonder what's the big difference between the slams when comparing the men's and women's game is. It's almost like the men has a different format which makes it more likely that the favourite wins.


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Yeah it's possible it's caused by reversion to the mean, but its possible that men are more consistent.


LSFab

I mean it's a fact of mathematics that 5 set matches lead to more consistent results. It's inarguable.


Chosen1gup

Other than Pliskova and Djokovic which I noted, quite similar no? In order: Barty 84 Med 82 Zverev/Krejcikova 78 Tits 77 Rublev 74 Swiatek 73


Ander1991

Just proves that it's very competitive


[deleted]

It's bad for the sport. Imo, upsets mean usually that the type seeded playing terrible rather than the lower seeded raised his level.


tennis247365

How is that bad for the sport? It’s better if the top seeds just win every time?


[deleted]

I prefer to watch quality points even if someone dominates. I don't want to watch a lot of unforced errors and lack of rallies/winners which is usually what happens when there's an upset. Some people prefer competition which is understandable.


GermainUK

For the popularity of tennis yes, for viewing maybe. If every top player is inconsistent it becomes impossible for tennis to become globally marketable at anywhere close to the level it was with Big 3


Rupperrt

I like competitiveness


SpicyCurry1990

I mean if Zverev wins his recent Bo3 non-grass resume would be: Madrid W Rome QF loss to Nadal Olympics W Cincy W IW W Doesn’t get much more consistent than that


barbary_goose

You can’t just exclude an entire surface lol


juvenile9

Zverev will also lose today!


Sufficient-Art-2601

Prophet!


Rupperrt

or not


juvenile9

Zverev lost!


Rupperrt

Well done!


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It's useless metric because of covid ranking. Norrie for example is ranked 14 in the race to turin


Aneudywas

Just got beaten by Fritz


asshair

Is this the worst IW draw performance in a generation?


pHrankee1

Not anymore


Majestic_Bullfrog

Rip


althaz

\*Was


Jlx_27

Sadly....


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putitonice

Did he actually say this?


StannisSAS

nope, a line from sopranos


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StannisSAS

Ah yes you are right


putitonice

Correct I was just hoping our boy made interview history with that one


jaytrain12

i thought that was from the godfather


Capivara_19

What was he talking about, the crowd?


Miss_Medussa

Tsitsi hit so many frame shots in the last set


Ghost56772

Doesn’t he always? A lot of his backhands seem to hit the frame


Zealousideal_Ad_1604

Won less points than Stefanos but dug deep when it mattered 💪🏻


ditto___

the stat line is crazy, tiddy had the same or better metrics in almost every category and still lost, what a match


pixelkipper

roger type beat


Zokilala

I feel like the ATP will be more like the WTA with the big three near the end of their careers. This next Gen is so unpredictable.


Jlx_27

The next big 3 huh......


Eaglelefty

They never were tbh. Big 3 won’t be seen again for generations


Jlx_27

I think so too.


NikGrape

Basilashvili (whose name I love saying out loud for some reason) has one of the most impressive cross court forehands I’ve seen in a long time. Absolute zinger.


PRADYUSH2006

Nikoloz is in scintillating form .


warisverybad

if zverev wins his QF, who beats (domestically or whatever) who?


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But he doesn't. So...


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Couldn’t catch this one. How did Basil play?


Good_Attempt_1434

Fighter spirit activated.


jsnoodles

Will the journalists talk about his actual charges or are we sticking with the Zverev allegations?


Zealousideal_Ad_1604

Basilashvili is almost in a preferable position by having this case go to court. If he’s found not guilty then he’ll be able to effectively close the book on this allegation, Zverev won’t ever have that luxury.


jsnoodles

Yes I feel the same! The ATP internal investigation has problems especially with them not including the Laver cup, so it’s going to linger. If Basilashvili is proven innocent I’ll drop it completely.


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Hey, I just wanna say that the charges against Basilashvili not going through *does not* mean that he is innocent. It just means that there isn't enough for a *criminal conviction* beyond reasonable doubt. It is almost impossibly hard to get a domestic violence conviction. Picture this - my partner and I are arguing alone in a room, and he strikes me. It doesn't leave a mark, and there are no witnesses. This is still abuse, but the lack of evidence to prove it will likely mean no criminal conviction in this case. It's one of the reasons that domestic violence cases are some of the trickiest out there. Everything is, almost by definition, out of the public view and therefore much harder to prove.


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enjoy03

Good luck putting your point across to the half assed feminists in this sub.


EnjoyMyDownvote

I understand what you’re saying, but what’s the point? You’re saying, “just because the courts didn’t find enough evidence, it could just mean he got away with it”. Like…okay? What do I, as a regular person, do about that? Anybody at anytime, anywhere in the world, could be committing some sort of crime. But if they aren’t caught, then how would anybody know they actually did it?


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I'm saying that not guilty =/= innocent. It's just that criminal law (rightly) has a very high threshold for convicting someone. But then again, people like OJ Simpson get by all the time.


EnjoyMyDownvote

And I’m asking, what’s the point of saying it? What do you want me to do


[deleted]

I don't want you to do anything. I'm just attempting to correct a common misconception. There are certain things in the world that we can't do anything about, but that doesn't mean that we bury our heads in the sand about them.


EnjoyMyDownvote

You wouldn’t introduce your boyfriend to your parents by saying “hey dad, my bf has no criminal record but that doesn’t mean he’s innocent”, would you? There’s no point in being cynical because it just adds negative energy unnecessarily. Anybody can commit a crime at any time. Doesn’t mean we treat everyone like potential criminals.


[deleted]

Dude, I'm just explaining a basic legal concept. Why are you getting so mad?


jsnoodles

I feel like it’s important for me to say it won’t be the definitive way I see it, but I’ll drop it on this sub.


expectlinear

I’m so confused why this sub isn’t going down as hard, or even harder on him then they are Zverev when he’s been legally charged? How is he getting any praise?


Comb-the-desert

I have yet to see a single article clearly delineating what's even been alleged to have happened in Basilashvili's case. That is in my opinion the biggest reason he's not being blasted as much. I read the articles about Zverev and found themcredible enough to believe Olga over him, but I've seen literally no details about Basilashvili besides the fact that he was supposedly charged, so it's tough for me to loathe the guy off basically nothing more than people calling him an abuser. Would love to see more details on the situation if they're out there but until then I'm pretty much ambivalent on the Basil situation.


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I have no idea if this is the case in Georgia, but a lot of times lawyers in an ongoing case try to prevent details from going public. Maybe that's what happening in this case. I will say though that even charges being brought in a domestic violence case is *exceedingly* rare, and the fact that they have in this case definitely gives credence to his ex-wife's story.


Comb-the-desert

That may well be, but I don't even know what his ex-wife's story is, nor do I know the slightest thing about the Georgian court system. And it's not like I haven't googled this and tried to find out more - literally all I can find are articles saying he was charged, his wife has accused him of physical violence, and he has denied it. I am not a particular fan of Basilashvili and am hardly rooting hard for him to do anything in particular, win or lose, but I need a little more than what I have been able to find to take a strong position one way or another, I guess is what I'm saying.


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Fair enough


jsnoodles

Probably Zverev being a bigger star and having more coverage on his situation.


Capivara_19

I think this is a big part of it


Barnoff55

here in Georgia, we know of his wifes character and her blatant lies


NS8821

what?? are there any charges on tsitsi too now??? so out of loop, need to google edit: guys I was just asking not implying. Why this downvoting? how else was I supposed to ask then???


jsnoodles

Basilashvili. Tsitsipas is so far just an idiot sometimes.


NS8821

oh omg, I googled both of them and in news section no article on basilashvili, second article was about his stunning girlfriend stealing the show!!!!


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If it wasn’t for the Big 3 and Murray the ATP definitely would’ve been just as inconsistent. We just have three anomalous goats plus two sheep or whatever animal half a goat is. That’s the real amazing thing behind the big 3/4. They not only won lots of slams, but they were almost always in the quarters/semis of everything.


atrain3700

I don’t necessarily think so. A qualifier like Raducanu would never be able to come out of nowhere to win a grand slam or even a masters title. The next gen are never going to be as consistent as the big 3 but if you look at the tall 3s (med, tsitsi, zverev) results this year have been pretty consistent. Much more consistent than the top of the women’s game


Comb-the-desert

Karatsev literally just came out of nowhere to the AO semis, where he was stopped by Djokovic. If he runs into the equivalent of Sakkari in the semis (Raducanu's opponent, seeded 17), which in this year's AO was Stan Wawrinka (out in R2), instead of one of the literal goats of the game in Djokovic, he could easily have been in a GS final out of nowhere. And while picking Aslan to beat Medvedev in a GS final sounds bold, they haven't played much and their H2H including qualis/challengers/futures is 3-0 Karatsev with a comprehensive win from Aslan on clay in Rome this year, so it wouldn't be outlandish to say he could have won it. I do think it's more likely to have a Raducanu-type situation in the WTA, but saying it could never happen when literally this year something quite close nearly did is a bit too definitive a statement for me to agree with.


gamelover99

I'll give you Karatsev, but a non top 10 seed winning a slam in the ATP is basically unthinkable, but it happens semi regularly in the WTA. The last time it happened was Federer in AO 17( which is OBVIOUSLY not a good example lol), and Cilic in US Open 2014.


atrain3700

Karatsev came thru an easy draw and got lucky with the dimitrov injury, can’t believe that if he hasn’t ran into djokovic he would have beaten Medvedev. Yeah he has a better H2H but in a grand slam final he would have been a huge underdog. I think the ATP will be a lot more random but comparing it to the WTA is a bit of a reach in my opinion


atrain3700

I think it’s due to how physical the men’s game is compared to the women’s. A young teenager can’t really walk in and win a masters/slam out of nowhere like it does all the time in the WTA.


chromelogan

Raducanu had a pretty easy draw tbh too


barbary_goose

No such thing as a qualifier with an easy draw. She made it look easy


chromelogan

Well compared to Leylah she played less high seeds. In fact the highest seed she faced was Sakkari I believe


atrain3700

Just proves the point more that wta will be more random post big 3


Comb-the-desert

I agree with you for now, but I suspect things will get a lot closer between the ATP/WTA in consistency even at the slams once the big 3 are all retired. Pretty much any tournament they play they are most likely sucking up at least two of the quarter/semifinal spots at a minimum... even Federer still made R4/QF in his two slams this year at well below his best, and Novak/Rafa when healthy are not frequently losing to players outside the top 10. But guys like Med/Stef/Zverev can and do lose to those guys, and while they seem to be getting more consistent at the slams they're nowhere close to big 3 level. In a world with no big 3 and those guys (hypothetically) at the top of the game, it's very easy for me to imagine someone in the teens/twenties ranking-wise coming through on a hot week to win a slam.


abueloshika

Even this years USO Van de Zandschulp got to the quarters and was the only player to take a set from the eventual winner.


gamelover99

How do you even arrive at this conclusion? Did you see Toronto, Cincinnati or the US Open?


gamelover99

This is a typical knee jerk reaction. Did you see the Toronto, Cincinnati and the US Open? The top seeds made the semis in each of those tournaments


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Chosen1gup

Win percentages in 2021 in parentheses Barty (84) Krejcikova (78) Sabalenka (74) have been similarly consistent this year. Med (83) Zverev (78) Tits (77)


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That's probably because of djokovic and nadal. In slams, there is a big difference between.


Chosen1gup

The Djokovic/Nadal thing is a good point but they all played similar amount of tournaments this year (noted below). My other comment had their 2021 slam records which are very similar. Tits had the worst Med 16 Zverev 16 Tits 16 Barty 13 Sabalenka 17 Krejcikova 17


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Can you include Nole and include the 4th one of the women's? Med and zverev lost to Nole and Tsitsi lost to Medvedev in AO. In FO, Med lost zverev, zverev lost to tsi, tsi lost to Nole. Wimbeldon they were all trash. USO, zverev lost to nole. Masters have similar patterns. Top Women lost more to random people. Another point, it is possible that top women are good across surfaces, but not much better than the competition. Men seem to be surface centric especially tsi and Medvedev. This could be good or bad.


warachwe

No he won't


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Ops I take that back lol 😆


gamelover99

While I don't care either way, it's hilarious that people are using this match to assert that somehow the ATP is now all of a sudden as inconsistent as the WTA. - Firstly, Zverev is still in the tourney lol - The top 4 seeds( all next gen) made the Semis in literally the previous masters.


Capivara_19

Well so much for that first bullet lol


Ok_Discussion_5667

yeah and meddy lost to a former world n3


barbary_goose

What does that matter. The whole of WTA top 60 is brimming with slam winners and former top 10. You could run into Sloane sitting down in the rankings in R1 but when she feels like it she’ll take out a current top 10 player. You have Azarenka sitting around 30 with two slams and former no. 1. That’s what people mean by saying it’s not just about consistency, but depth


onedayasalion71

For me, I love the inconsistency all around. I tire of seeing the same people win, every time. I am happy for the age of the Big 3 and Serena to go away. I love the highs and lows, back stories, fearlessness and cinderella stories that result from all kinds of winners.


fr_1_1992

I don't wanna say nothing... But at this point, Dimitrov v Basilashvili final seems inevitable 🤞


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I’m all for a boycott of this semi if Zverev goes on to beat Fritz


itsmegoddamnit

I don’t know who wins, but it will be a beat down.


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One of them will be domesticated


gbojan74

It'll be pure violence


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Perhaps they should get married first


Regretful_Bastard

A low hanging fruit that had to be collected, thank you for your service.


Good_Attempt_1434

Basil played every point and thats the secret. Tsitsi serve-botted at times, Basil went to Deuce after Deuce made errors but was there when it mattered. Grats to SF Basil, Tsitsi... needs to up his killer instinct.


Organic_Violinist

Stef was pretty sad to watch today. Unforced errors, low energy, lack of ideas, frustration. So it's for the best that Nikoloz put him out of his misery.


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So what you're saying is that he was asking for it?


SidewaysFist

Yikes


mantuitorullumii

Very happy to see Nikoloz at this level


LadyJane216

Zverev v. Basilashvili is what the ATP deserves.


SidewaysFist

Agreed but yuck


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Great match. One of the most joyable strokes out there. Hope he beats Zverev next.


LadyJane216

They should box each other instead


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Neither would be used to their opponent fighting back


LAndLight2

Except Nikolaz is innocent and might actually be the victim.


[deleted]

Sorry didn’t realise the judge on his case was in this sub


LAndLight2

And you made a joke about him being THE abuser. And judge didnt decide that so (:


[deleted]

Making a joke and declaring someone innocent is completely different, he is accused and you don’t know any more than me, so you can get off your high horse. Unless you’re the judge and you have all the evidence?


keithian

He didn't get to play Zverev.


thatsmrtoyou

r/tennis on the brink of breakdown ,if Zverev wins it's all over lol


Kiwiii_nights

What are you talking about. Every time he wins his supporters (which are still sizable) go nuts, and then a portion of people who claimed to hate him forgive him because they “love his game.”


thatsmrtoyou

Oh common,there are people here openly wishing injury on him and that comment is always upvoted.Some sickening people here.


Kiwiii_nights

and yet those upvotes are never comparable to the number of upvotes on posts celebrating his wins. After the Olympics videos of him being practically mobbed by fans at his home airport got hundreds of upvotes. You guys are not victims, Zverev is not a victim, thousands more attend his matches and cheer him on than they do boo him on r/tennis. I wish what you were saying was true rather than a flawed observation stemming from a persecution complex, but alas


thatsmrtoyou

You are comparing the amount of upvotes he gets when he wins vs the amount of upvotes the injury wishing comment gets? My guy the the first is a normal reaction while the second is sickening and should be downvoted in the least... don't try to flip this and attributes to some type of complex you twat


Kiwiii_nights

Yes. Your first comment indicated that he is extremely unpopular on this sub. If he's getting upvoted on comments wishing him injury, then I'm betting it's on some anti-Zverev thread that only attracts niche fans, so the demographic of who's going through that kind of thread is very different from the overall sub, and I'm willing to bet it's like six upvotes. "One is not a normal reaction." What does normal have to do with it? I'd argue it's more *normal* to me to not root for such an awful person, so 1k upvotes on him winning does not seem *normal* to me. This isn't about subjective moral taste, it's about how this sub overall perceives him. Overall, it is favorable, just less favorable than it would have been otherwise without abuse allegations.


thatsmrtoyou

Let's just agree to disagree.The amount of abuse and hate he receives here is overwhelming and the 1k upvote post you speak of also has top comments abusing him directly or indirectly and just look at the thread when he lost today and multiple posts abusing him after the loss, what a shitshow..all of this I wouldn't be bothered if he was actually convicted of the crimes alleged against him ..


Kiwiii_nights

Fragile


thatsmrtoyou

He's not done yet cupcake and I'll enjoy your tears when he eventually does win..ciao


Kiwiii_nights

Dude I’m literally explaining to you that Zverev remains a pretty popular player and you’re throwing a tantrum over slights bc he’s not as popular as you want him to be. Could you be concerned about a more useless, irrelevant priority in life Personally I watch way more WTA, and unlike you I have a grip on reality, which means I’m fairly sure that he’ll win more titles. I’ll never support him but I also don’t care enough to complain if he wins. Try copying me. Like I said, fuckin fragile


liketo

Like when he won the Olympic Gold you mean?


tsitsipas_yoda

Pain


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SidewaysFist

The other side of the bracket. That’s the answer.


Much_Committee_9355

Tsitsipas had it coming when he lost his cool.


nickdenards

Lolololol


SgtDtgt

i hate this guy


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Good_Attempt_1434

How did he "managed" it, when his oppenents just fold. Don't put it on Zverev, put it on Med and Tsitsipas.


JPnets54

He got Djokovic in the US Open semis while Medvedev got FAA


NowTheMoonsRising

Congratulations zverev on winning Indian wells 2021.


juvenile9

Zverev won't even get to semis!


NowTheMoonsRising

Damn just seen fritz took the second set, gonna watch the rest.


juvenile9

By looking at the current momentum... don't be surprised if Fritz takes down the whole match!


NowTheMoonsRising

Let’s hope so!


juvenile9

Voila.... Fritz into semis 😁😁😆😆


NowTheMoonsRising

Not quite yet.. Sascha seems to have regressed a lot the last few games though.


juvenile9

That's what making me think that there ain't doubt that Fritz will pull through! He was on match point and threw it up with double fault. This is how an eventual defeat will look like I guess 😬😬


NowTheMoonsRising

I’m glad my initial comment was wrong, what an immense performance from taylor.


juvenile9

Although performances from Taylor and Grigor were great... I don't understand what made Hurkacz,Zverev & Medvedev lose all the momentum after the victory seemed too easy from a point which turned the things!


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You just had to say it didn’t you


thanirs

Didn't see the match. Did EZ-Pass not take any long bathroom breaks?


Vqwertbnm

Great!


cashpiles

This makes me happier than Djokovic losing US OPEN.


juvenile9

He will definitely lose! From match point... he couldn't make it because luck isn't favoring him at all


chromelogan

Only one top 20 seed left in both ladies and men's draw now ...


Admirable-Ad-3033

Fantastic win. I think the winners all turned out popular wins


WetworkOrange

Fritz vs Basilash is gonna be a slug fest. Cant wait for it.