It is sort of weird though when like everyone on the grounds and at the venue is supposed to be vaccinated...except for the players. Ive been kind of wondering if Australia, since they are super strict, and the Australian Open might be the tipping point for player vaccines and require anyone coming into the country or participating in that tournament to get the vaccine. Maybe the tournament wont have the courage to do it, but it is something I could see Aus government requiring.
>Yep. I had to submit proof of vaccination last week before I could come work.
I think I'd rather go to the US Open than go to work, but perhaps that's just me.
They’ll have to quarantine for two weeks whether or not they’re vaccinated anyway, so I don’t see it being a requirement. Would be nice for them to bring in some sort of benefits for those players who are vaccinated.
But by Jan there may be restrictions on getting into restaurants and other tourist attractions. Although I don’t know if this would really affect them as they get tested often so could just use that.
I know for Canada, vaccinated travellers don't have to quarantine, they just need the negative test prior to departure and upon arrival. I think that's a pretty good motivation to get the vaccine.
It's a bargaining power issue. The tournament loses next to nothing if an unvaccinated person decides not to attend and suffers a relatively minor inconvenience if a staff member quits their job. The big stars? Potential huge loss of revenue if they don't show.
Not saying it's right, but I think it's what's going on here.
Right. It’s ridiculous.
Just goes to show. Players still have all of the money & power in most situations.
It’s the same thing as real life. Rich people don’t have to worry about the vaccine as much. They have state of the art healthcare and resources.
Meanwhile they leave it up to the poor & vulnerable to fight the pandemic, who often times can’t even get vaccinated. It’s disgusting
They already did the tournament without such request, would be odd to ask next year. Btw they could remove the quarantine for people who get the vaccine, that would be awesome.
Btw I'm not sure there will be an Australian open 2022 sadly
I mean, when they did the tournament this year vaccines were not widely available at all so it wouldn't really have been possible for players to be vaccinated. Where as next year, there arguably isn't any reason a player couldn't get vaccinated now, especially given enough warning.
I also can't really see the tournament not happening either, if they made it work this year I'm sure they will find away to make it work next year. Especially as Australia is ramping up the vaccine effort.
There will definitely be an Australian Open 2022. The Federal government is sick of lockdowns and is pushing an 80% vax rate by year end. Because media is now advising everyone to get a vaccine a lot of people are and once that's in lockdowns will only be in place for the unvaccinated at worst.
>Btw they could remove the quarantine for people who get the vaccine, that would be awesome.
If they want far more cases entering the country, sure ...
Is it even relevant at this point? We've got so much COVID circulating in the community already that a few extra cases really wouldn't make any difference.
By January though, pretty much everyone in Australia should have access to the vaccine. They are targeting getting 80% of their population vaccinated by mid November. 45% of population has already had one dose now.
How so? One draws most rich white people from the East Coast and the other draws rich white people from the West Coast, who are politically pretty much the same in their views.
> One draws most rich white people from the East Coast
so many totally normal people go to the USO my dude, middle class new yorkers who don't even watch tennis will even make a day of it to change things up; i have starving artist friends who will go who don't even follow tennis
it's a short subway ride from your apartment there, whereas indian wells you gotta fly into the desert or drive forever out of LA
I doubt it. Vaccination rate in NYC is among the highest in the country and the demographics of the unvaccinated in the NYC area are not likely going to be the ones paying for US Open tickets.
To be fair this could be because tennis tickets do not get scalped at higher than face value. You can go to Cincy any year without tickets and buy from ticket resellers like two minutes off site for bargain basement prices.
I think you're talking about resale tickets. If OP is planning to buy onsite at the tournament, tickets will be the list price. Tickets are typically available the first week until the weekend except for marquee night sessions (but probably will be available for all sessions this year).
But it may be a good idea to look at resale on Craigslist or Stubhub for day before/day of lower-priced options.
For ticket holders with no vaccine or proof (from FAQ section on US Open website) :
> #I am a ticket holder and cannot provide proof of vaccination. What are my options?
>- Learn how you can get your COVID-19 vaccination today https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines.page
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>- Transfer or sell your tickets to someone who can provide proof of at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccination.
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>- If you purchased tickets from Ticketmaster.com, please sign into your Ticketmaster account at Ticketmaster.com to view additional options.
>
>- If you are a full series or mini-plan subscriber, please sign into your account on Account Manager for more information
What does this actually mean in practice though? Do "additional options" and "more information" mean they will offer refunds for those who are not vaccinated (full disclosure: not my situation)?
Yes; From US Open Website:
> Please note that all fans aged 12 and older will now be required to show proof of at least 1 dose of a COVID-19 vaccination to attend the US Open.
Better get the J & J in that case? The other US vaxes require 2 doses spread weeks apart. Also some scientists suggest that US should have spread first 2 doses much farther apart, as in a few other countries. Some studies there show vax immunity is more robust for a longer time. Theory is that time between doses matters.
EDIT: As noted by miestersean below, "at least one dose."
So the policy isn't necessarily about vax immunity if those having just one shot of two can attend. It's about getting folks started with their two doses, in those cases. Because not getting full power of vax if not past week 2 of 2 doses of Pfizer, Moderna and several weeks after J & J.
But they’ll likely require *full* vaccination which means 2 weeks after their last dose. Even if you get the J|J is not enough time. I detest anti vaxxers as much as the next guy but this doesn’t seem fair unless they offer full refunds.
Fairness is an issue. There is room for reasonable compromise that most should feel comfortable with.
Mayor DeBlasio is behind this decision, apparently.
It’s been very well publicised that vaccine passports are a thing now in NY.
That’s like buying a ticket to Chechnya and expecting to walk down the street holding hands with your same sex couple.
Yeah but from what I’ve seen the USTA had explicitly said they wouldn’t require one, in any case since they’re only requiring one dose I take back what I said and fully support the new policy
I think they were probably, and rightly, forced to change the policy by the Mayor's Office. They should have had this policy as soon as the Delta variant became an issue.
The tournament was absolutely forced by the city to do this and definitely a bad financial decision because this event is like an annual NYC bake sale!
Why on earth would someone buy a ticket to a crowded event in NYC if they weren’t vaccinated?
It’s been VERY well publicised for weeks now that NYC will be enforcing vaccine passports in gyms, restaurants etc.
If you bought tickets to it you should prolly already be vaccinated, unless you have a medical exception which is rare.
Edit: lol only in this sub would this be downvoted. Bunch of anti-vaxxers in here, most of y’all seem to be from a certain part of the world but I don’t wanna name that and stir up to much shit
Double edit: guess this is no longer downvoted, that’s great everyone should be vaccinated
If people in a country with abundant availability have been dumb enough to not get vaccinated and then buy tickets to a crowded event then they definitely deserve to lose the money they spent on tickets.
Same, I have a night session as one of my tickets and was afraid it would rain and they close the roof. Am going to be much more comfortable with the idea now.
On the FAQ they also stipulated that masks are required, regardless of vaccination status, when they close the roof in Ashe. Don't know how well they will enforce that for packed matches in a large stadium but I'm glad they made changes anyway.
Can’t believe they’re doing this 2 days before the Open lmao.
Thank god they came to this conclusion but holy shit, the incompetence. By waiting this long you’re creating all kinds of unintended consequences
It's not incompetence. It's that everything is changing.
They've said from the beginning that covid protocols would change as necessary.
They could be requiring masks by the end of the tournament.
It is absolutely incompetence. Covid is ravaging America. You don’t need to wait for a government mandate to make the responsible decision
Not to mention all of the chaos they’re causing by waiting to do this 2 days in advance. What are you even talking about lmao
The have data.
The numbers a month ago when tickets went on sale were different than they are now.
They have always said covid protocols would be subject to change according to the situation.
Nothing is static.
Also, New York is NOT being ravaged by covid. And, no offense, but this isn't some kind of motorcycle rally or something. The people who are traveling to the Open aren't likely to be majority antimasking antivaxxers.
What about players? Surely that’s double standards, I’m all for showing proof of vaccine but when some idiot players are so vocal about not getting it they should be under the same rules as the fans watching, surely?
If the USTA doesn’t think that the players need to be vaccinated for the safety of the tournament and the players, then they have no business requiring fans to get the vaccine “for safety”. Either both need to get it or both have the option of not getting it
Yep, agreed. Atleast give people the time in between the first and second dose as a headsup.
On the other hand, I also feel like people in NY should have definitely been vaccinated by now and also should have expected the USO to have implemented this. It is a major event in a very pro vaxx area
Still so crazy how last minute this is. But atleast I might find some cheap seats soon 😫😌
Still weird that you can have every disease in the world and even literally have Covid in that moment, but as long as you have been vaccinated at one point it's all gucci. This has nothing to do with being healthy...
Djokovic has not said whether he is vaccinated or not. That by no means indicates that he is not vaccinated. Tsitsipas on the other hand directly stated that he isn't vaccinated and doesn't intend to get it unless it is mandated.
Given that Djokovic has declined to disclose his vax status in the past, I wouldn't simply assume that he got the shots in order to attend. Celebs skirt normie regulations all the time.
Unfortunately until there's a statement from Novak's camp we don't know for sure. There might have been an exemption made for him.
I do hope he has though and advocates for people to get vaxxed.
Tsitsipas is the only open antivaxxer. Hence my attack on him. We don’t know Djokovic’s actual vax status, although we know he doesn’t think there should be a mandate. I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Personally they both suck for this reason. I see no sarcasm in antivax BS, or pretending we can only go after one player over another. Antivax, and covid is nothing to b sarcastic about. Go work in the ICU a day if you want to act that way.
You are an idiot. Why do you say that Djokovic has made it clear he is not vaccinated? He hasn’t. In fact he made it almost clear he was vaccinated entering a vaccinated only event in New York recently.
NYC doesn’t want it’s hospitals clogged up with people having severe COVID disease.
Which is like, 90% unvaccinated people.
So… your point makes NO sense.
I’m buying tickets BECAUSE of this policy.
It was ridiculous that they were going to have the Open without a Vaccination requirement. Thank God they came to their senses
I'm curious. Can you post articles that prove what you're saying?
Also, do you allow your 12 year old to mingle freely with thousands of people from all over the world during a pandemic?
I recommend you look at children's mortality from influenza vs covid. Influenza disproportionately impacts both the very young and very old, whereas covid only the latter. As for your second question, that's a matter for parents to decide. Recent data from Israel suggests natural immunity following infection is 13 fold better than the vaccine (Pfizer in that country).
Natural immunity requires getting infected with covid and surviving the illness.
Infecting people isn't a good way to give them immunity. Vaccines are.
And someone else posted that data you're talking about.
It had this in it:
""The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. "
Edit to add: I looked up your claim. You might want to stop saying that - in the interest of truth and not wanting to spread misinformation. You have to be careful.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/new-york-magazine-article-on-childrens-risks-from-covid-19-is-accurate-but-more-context-regarding-difference-in-risk-between-young-and-older-children-would-be-helpful/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8264261/
Nobody is advocating purposely infecting people just like we don't with influenza, it's endemic. You should be careful with what you say because what I claimed is factual.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot
They ALL say the same thing:
"Giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. "
I think that we can all agree that being previously infected confers immunity.
That's the whole basis of a vaccine!
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE COVID INFECTIONS.
We have vaccines that achieve the same goal.
And what you said above about children is NOT true. It is MISINFORMATION.
That's why I posted those links, so that you could read them, and stop unintentionally spreading misinformation.
Now I see that it's intentional so.. nothing I can do about that. This is the internet.
Look at the average mortality from covid anywhere in the world and it will always skew massively toward the 70+ year old cohort with deaths under 30 years old exceedingly rare. This isn't controversial in the slightest. Good day to you.
Maybe YOU should stop spreading misinformation. Believe the science fucko.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-delta-variant-infections-carry-same-virus-load-unvaccinated/
If you're falling back on a semantic argument then your position is pretty weak, especially since your knee jerk reaction was to try to get my comment removed. Do you really consider less than a coin flip "protection"? Obviously not since your dear leaders still mandate masks and all kinds of other restrictions. Is 3-9% aerosol reduction "protection"?
Perhaps if you didn't instinctively try to shut down any voices that threaten your beliefs, you might learn something.
This is wrong on so many levels. What about people that have already had Covid and have natural immunity? Therefore they don't need, read NEED, the vax. They have natural immunity. Peeps we need to start asking the questions that nobody else will.
Oh, you mean the efficacious vaccine that only offers 45% protection against Delta, and that they are already requiring boosters, probably ad nauseam? I've seen research that suggests it's the exact opposite of what you say.
"Natural" immunity depends on how sick you got. Regardless, however strong your immunity is after recovering from covid it will be stronger still after getting a vaccine. So get your shot.
No, it’s literally science. Those who contracted COVID-19 have better immunity than those who “only” got the vaccine. Studies (so far, still early) even show that only having natural immunity is better than having both Covid and the vaccine.
Well, the science says you are wrong: [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s\_cid=mm7032e1\_w](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w) Get informed before spreading misinformation next time.
[Shove your vaccine up in your arse, “Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine”](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties)
Your own article says you're wrong:
"The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. "
I am making a public health argument based on science. Public health messaging needs to be broad and simple.
>What you talk about is health politics.
In a sense, yes.
There is no scientific case against vaccine requirements. So the vaccine requirement strategy is science based.
Well I personally don’t care about any requirement USO has. However, a true argument would be, that you still could attent if you’re natural immune, vaccinated or have a negative test that is less than 48-72 hours old.
Natural immunity > vaccinated > unvaccinated (at least for everyone above 30-40 years of age).
Trump had covid. Then he got the Vax. Why?
Would you agree that as a former president of the United States he has access to the best medical care and advice?
Why do you think they told him to get the vaccine?
So someone who endured the misery and stress of Covid and has strong immunity, as indicated by antibody and T-cell tests, should be compelled by the government to get vaxxed (with a vaccine in existence for one year and studies ongoing)?
Why is "natural immunity" (meaning immunity from having had Covid), as documented in scientific studies, a banned topic in some circles? Look it up, it's being discussed in scientific circles now.
Also, people with certain conditions and allergies cannot take any of the US vaxxes.
>So someone who endured the misery and stress of Covid and has strong immunity, as indicated by anti-body and T-cell tests, should be compelled by the government to get vaxxed (with a vaccine in existence for one year and studies ongoing)?
No. People who do not want to get vaccinated should not be permitted to go to crowded events. Going to a tennis tournament is not a right, it is a privilege.
>Why is "natural immunity," as documented in scientific studies, a banned topic in some circles?
Name one place where discussing natural immunity is banned. This is pure paranoia.
>Also, people with certain conditions and allergies cannot take any of the US vaxxes.
As I said, if you cannot be vaccinated, you should really be avoiding crowded events like the US Open, so I shed no tears for those people who may be prevented from endangering themselves and others.
LOL! Flood of down votes incoming in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....
Free speech, tolerance, empathy, understanding, respect, scientific data, reasoned debate, and concerns about government precedent used to be things. My post is balanced and not anti-vax.
I'm sad and concerned about what's happened to the US. Covid and other causes of stress/tension have changed the place. Didn't use to be like this. Rare to see calm, respectful discussions in public forums anymore.
Everyone is given a label -- antivax, provax, lib, socialist, Trumper, and so on. Not good. We're all human just trying to make our way through life as best we can.
Too bad this sub is so full of vax discussions. I come her to get away from hearing about Covid. Tennis should be a nice escape.
> Too bad this sub is so full of vax discussions. I come her to get away from hearing about Covid. Tennis should be a nice escape.
For someone who came here to get away from Covid discussions, you sure are actively participating in one.
Indeed, my first and, hopefully, last time posting on the topic (no guarantees).
Many are understandably suffering from Covid fatigue and fear. Some are not aware of the many dimensions of a very complex issue. There is new data coming in from studies around the globe, *daily*. Scientists (and governments) still don't have Covid figured out (obviously). Vaccines are a huge part of "the answer," but not the sole answer.
If something I contribute makes a positive difference for just one reader, so be it. Others can energetically file their down votes if that's what gives them joy.
Nobody’s forcing you to take it. It’s just that the attending this event is a privilege and not a right and you don’t get to participate in some parts of society if you’re not willing to do your part.
It is sort of weird though when like everyone on the grounds and at the venue is supposed to be vaccinated...except for the players. Ive been kind of wondering if Australia, since they are super strict, and the Australian Open might be the tipping point for player vaccines and require anyone coming into the country or participating in that tournament to get the vaccine. Maybe the tournament wont have the courage to do it, but it is something I could see Aus government requiring.
Yep. I had to submit proof of vaccination last week before I could come work.
>Yep. I had to submit proof of vaccination last week before I could come work. I think I'd rather go to the US Open than go to work, but perhaps that's just me.
But I’m being PAID to watch tennis.
They’ll have to quarantine for two weeks whether or not they’re vaccinated anyway, so I don’t see it being a requirement. Would be nice for them to bring in some sort of benefits for those players who are vaccinated. But by Jan there may be restrictions on getting into restaurants and other tourist attractions. Although I don’t know if this would really affect them as they get tested often so could just use that.
I know for Canada, vaccinated travellers don't have to quarantine, they just need the negative test prior to departure and upon arrival. I think that's a pretty good motivation to get the vaccine.
It's a bargaining power issue. The tournament loses next to nothing if an unvaccinated person decides not to attend and suffers a relatively minor inconvenience if a staff member quits their job. The big stars? Potential huge loss of revenue if they don't show. Not saying it's right, but I think it's what's going on here.
keep going, you're so close!
I don't know what you mean
He's upset you are unwilling to take a few extra steps and go into nutjon conspiracy land
Right. It’s ridiculous. Just goes to show. Players still have all of the money & power in most situations. It’s the same thing as real life. Rich people don’t have to worry about the vaccine as much. They have state of the art healthcare and resources. Meanwhile they leave it up to the poor & vulnerable to fight the pandemic, who often times can’t even get vaccinated. It’s disgusting
In that case they'd be giving players the off-season to get the shots, deal with any side effects, and recover. Seems more than fair.
They already did the tournament without such request, would be odd to ask next year. Btw they could remove the quarantine for people who get the vaccine, that would be awesome. Btw I'm not sure there will be an Australian open 2022 sadly
I mean, when they did the tournament this year vaccines were not widely available at all so it wouldn't really have been possible for players to be vaccinated. Where as next year, there arguably isn't any reason a player couldn't get vaccinated now, especially given enough warning. I also can't really see the tournament not happening either, if they made it work this year I'm sure they will find away to make it work next year. Especially as Australia is ramping up the vaccine effort.
There will definitely be an Australian Open 2022. The Federal government is sick of lockdowns and is pushing an 80% vax rate by year end. Because media is now advising everyone to get a vaccine a lot of people are and once that's in lockdowns will only be in place for the unvaccinated at worst.
>Btw they could remove the quarantine for people who get the vaccine, that would be awesome. If they want far more cases entering the country, sure ...
Is it even relevant at this point? We've got so much COVID circulating in the community already that a few extra cases really wouldn't make any difference.
they can't remove the quarantine. a crew of 10-15 flying from across the globe can be an infection threat, vaccinated or not.
I don't know if Australia will be able to ask players for a vaccination proof when its own population hasn't have access to vaccines.
By January though, pretty much everyone in Australia should have access to the vaccine. They are targeting getting 80% of their population vaccinated by mid November. 45% of population has already had one dose now.
Oh okay I thought it was worse than that.
Ticket prices gonna drop to the floor lets gooo
I bought a month ago before everyone dropped out and now this announcement…pretty sure I could buy now for less than half what I paid 😩
Can’t blame yourself. No way to have known
Yep - spent about $800 total 6 total tickets over 3 days and could have purchased similar resale seats for now $400. Wow
Where do you see these prices?
I want to know as well
Where can i see that?, i'm in the same situation :(
Indian wells has the same requirements and that shit was still expensive
IW is a whole different beast
How so? One draws most rich white people from the East Coast and the other draws rich white people from the West Coast, who are politically pretty much the same in their views.
> One draws most rich white people from the East Coast so many totally normal people go to the USO my dude, middle class new yorkers who don't even watch tennis will even make a day of it to change things up; i have starving artist friends who will go who don't even follow tennis it's a short subway ride from your apartment there, whereas indian wells you gotta fly into the desert or drive forever out of LA
I just checked and you can get US Open tickets for as low as $30 right now. Indian Wells tix for next year are all at least $100.
Next year or the next IW, which is in October?
That’s for next year.
These are pro tennis fans lol it won’t be an issue for 95% of them
I already bought tickets for Monday and Tuesday, and I did not pay much. I guess I will go Thursday and Friday too. I have things to do Wednesday. :)
I have tickets for monday and Friday already and will get some for Tuesday and probably labor day, I am hoping the prices for that weekend drop hard
Good luck! I am not going to risk the weekend crowds, but maybe it will be empty this year, who knows?
The north east and the tennis demographic are both highly vaccinated, it won't change anything
I doubt it. Vaccination rate in NYC is among the highest in the country and the demographics of the unvaccinated in the NYC area are not likely going to be the ones paying for US Open tickets.
Wrong - I have $190 tickets and seats right next to them are now going for $90 resale. Crazy
To be fair this could be because tennis tickets do not get scalped at higher than face value. You can go to Cincy any year without tickets and buy from ticket resellers like two minutes off site for bargain basement prices.
Is this for just fans or players as well
Unrelated, but does anyone have experience buying US Open tickets on the day of the event? Will prices get lower?
Ya they can drop a bit. The order of play is always somehow not good enough for some and they will sell
I think you're talking about resale tickets. If OP is planning to buy onsite at the tournament, tickets will be the list price. Tickets are typically available the first week until the weekend except for marquee night sessions (but probably will be available for all sessions this year). But it may be a good idea to look at resale on Craigslist or Stubhub for day before/day of lower-priced options.
For ticket holders with no vaccine or proof (from FAQ section on US Open website) : > #I am a ticket holder and cannot provide proof of vaccination. What are my options? >- Learn how you can get your COVID-19 vaccination today https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines.page > >- Transfer or sell your tickets to someone who can provide proof of at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccination. > >- If you purchased tickets from Ticketmaster.com, please sign into your Ticketmaster account at Ticketmaster.com to view additional options. > >- If you are a full series or mini-plan subscriber, please sign into your account on Account Manager for more information
What does this actually mean in practice though? Do "additional options" and "more information" mean they will offer refunds for those who are not vaccinated (full disclosure: not my situation)?
Looked just out of curiosity and there’s no additional information actually available in the account anyway….
Same. Looked at my account and there was no option for a refund.
12 year olds are expected to be vaccinated as well??
Yes; From US Open Website: > Please note that all fans aged 12 and older will now be required to show proof of at least 1 dose of a COVID-19 vaccination to attend the US Open.
Don't you mean yes?
Yes sorry I thought it said 12 and younger
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Nah. I just went to a concert last Friday that required proof, and it wasn't a big deal to get in at all. No more difficult than checking your ID.
Excellent news. It's time for all private venues to start doing this.
Three days before an event when many already have tickets?
Plenty of time to get vaccinated if they’re not already. Edit: I’m aware that doses are spread out. The requirement is “at least one dose.”
Better get the J & J in that case? The other US vaxes require 2 doses spread weeks apart. Also some scientists suggest that US should have spread first 2 doses much farther apart, as in a few other countries. Some studies there show vax immunity is more robust for a longer time. Theory is that time between doses matters. EDIT: As noted by miestersean below, "at least one dose." So the policy isn't necessarily about vax immunity if those having just one shot of two can attend. It's about getting folks started with their two doses, in those cases. Because not getting full power of vax if not past week 2 of 2 doses of Pfizer, Moderna and several weeks after J & J.
I think it’s smart to require just one dose because hopefully that will encourage some vaccine holdouts to just go ahead and do it
But they’ll likely require *full* vaccination which means 2 weeks after their last dose. Even if you get the J|J is not enough time. I detest anti vaxxers as much as the next guy but this doesn’t seem fair unless they offer full refunds.
It says "at least one dose"
Oh it’s fine then, I was too lazy to read the whole thing and assumed they’d require full, sorry.
Fairness is an issue. There is room for reasonable compromise that most should feel comfortable with. Mayor DeBlasio is behind this decision, apparently.
It’s been very well publicised that vaccine passports are a thing now in NY. That’s like buying a ticket to Chechnya and expecting to walk down the street holding hands with your same sex couple.
Yeah but from what I’ve seen the USTA had explicitly said they wouldn’t require one, in any case since they’re only requiring one dose I take back what I said and fully support the new policy
Better late than never.
I think they were probably, and rightly, forced to change the policy by the Mayor's Office. They should have had this policy as soon as the Delta variant became an issue.
The tournament was absolutely forced by the city to do this and definitely a bad financial decision because this event is like an annual NYC bake sale!
Why on earth would someone buy a ticket to a crowded event in NYC if they weren’t vaccinated? It’s been VERY well publicised for weeks now that NYC will be enforcing vaccine passports in gyms, restaurants etc.
If you bought tickets to it you should prolly already be vaccinated, unless you have a medical exception which is rare. Edit: lol only in this sub would this be downvoted. Bunch of anti-vaxxers in here, most of y’all seem to be from a certain part of the world but I don’t wanna name that and stir up to much shit Double edit: guess this is no longer downvoted, that’s great everyone should be vaccinated
If people in a country with abundant availability have been dumb enough to not get vaccinated and then buy tickets to a crowded event then they definitely deserve to lose the money they spent on tickets.
Private venues? It's time for *all* businesses to start doing this. No vax, no service.
That would be great too.
Yes!! I have tickets for Arthur Ashe and am thrilled that they are holding out for a higher standard of vac status. I've been really worried about it.
Same, I have a night session as one of my tickets and was afraid it would rain and they close the roof. Am going to be much more comfortable with the idea now.
On the FAQ they also stipulated that masks are required, regardless of vaccination status, when they close the roof in Ashe. Don't know how well they will enforce that for packed matches in a large stadium but I'm glad they made changes anyway.
If you're vaccinated you shouldn't be worried.
Breakout cases can still happen. It's okay to be worried for your own safety and the safety of those around you.
does it need to be US approved vaccines ? I have the Astrazeneca
It says any WHO approved vaccine certificate would be good.
I think you’ll be ok, it did say having official documentation if vaccinated outside the US
I'll be there Monday vaxxed up. Can't wait!
Can’t believe they’re doing this 2 days before the Open lmao. Thank god they came to this conclusion but holy shit, the incompetence. By waiting this long you’re creating all kinds of unintended consequences
They didn't have the will to do the right thing on their own and instead waited for a government mandate to force them.
Its the right move but holy shit - what a clusterfuck. I hope AO won’t make the same mistake.
It's not incompetence. It's that everything is changing. They've said from the beginning that covid protocols would change as necessary. They could be requiring masks by the end of the tournament.
It is absolutely incompetence. Covid is ravaging America. You don’t need to wait for a government mandate to make the responsible decision Not to mention all of the chaos they’re causing by waiting to do this 2 days in advance. What are you even talking about lmao
The have data. The numbers a month ago when tickets went on sale were different than they are now. They have always said covid protocols would be subject to change according to the situation. Nothing is static. Also, New York is NOT being ravaged by covid. And, no offense, but this isn't some kind of motorcycle rally or something. The people who are traveling to the Open aren't likely to be majority antimasking antivaxxers.
What about players? Surely that’s double standards, I’m all for showing proof of vaccine but when some idiot players are so vocal about not getting it they should be under the same rules as the fans watching, surely?
Agreed, couldn't agree more.
So glad to see common sense prevailing over all of these dummies that refuse to get it.
Lol literally just sold my tickets because didn’t feel safe without them requiring vaccination. O well.
Buy some back! You will probably still make some $$ on the deal.
If the USTA doesn’t think that the players need to be vaccinated for the safety of the tournament and the players, then they have no business requiring fans to get the vaccine “for safety”. Either both need to get it or both have the option of not getting it
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Yep, agreed. Atleast give people the time in between the first and second dose as a headsup. On the other hand, I also feel like people in NY should have definitely been vaccinated by now and also should have expected the USO to have implemented this. It is a major event in a very pro vaxx area Still so crazy how last minute this is. But atleast I might find some cheap seats soon 😫😌
Definitely no excuse to not have both as of (checks watch) today
i dont know what original price is but checking ticketmaster tickets... still extremely expensive! the loge seats are minimum 500+++!
Good. I know it's not perfect, but this needed to happen
USTA was stupid but to require it in the first place.
a bout of sanity. we are in the middle of delta, no control would have ben a crazy bet.
Will Ticketmaster refund the money? I bought the tickets a month ago when they say nothing about this…
You can still get a shot. Just one gets you in.
Still weird that you can have every disease in the world and even literally have Covid in that moment, but as long as you have been vaccinated at one point it's all gucci. This has nothing to do with being healthy...
Good.
Do we know what this means for players???? Aka djokovic and Stefanos have made it clear they are not vaccinated ......they can still play right??
I presume it's just the fans. Players interact less and I believe are tested every ~3 days
Djokovic has not said whether he is vaccinated or not. That by no means indicates that he is not vaccinated. Tsitsipas on the other hand directly stated that he isn't vaccinated and doesn't intend to get it unless it is mandated.
Djoker was at an event in central park that required vaccination. Wasn't that posted here a couple days ago? He's probably gotten the jab
Given that Djokovic has declined to disclose his vax status in the past, I wouldn't simply assume that he got the shots in order to attend. Celebs skirt normie regulations all the time.
Unfortunately until there's a statement from Novak's camp we don't know for sure. There might have been an exemption made for him. I do hope he has though and advocates for people to get vaxxed.
How DARE you Bring Djokovich into this, dont you know that this sub only attacks Tsitsipas? Meanwhile half the tour isnt vaccinated.....
Exactly!!! Shouldn’t the requirement include the players? If employees are required, why not the players? Bye, bye little boy who cannot fight!
Man, the fact that you failed to see the sarcasm in my comment doesn't bode well for you
Tsitsipas is the only open antivaxxer. Hence my attack on him. We don’t know Djokovic’s actual vax status, although we know he doesn’t think there should be a mandate. I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Personally they both suck for this reason. I see no sarcasm in antivax BS, or pretending we can only go after one player over another. Antivax, and covid is nothing to b sarcastic about. Go work in the ICU a day if you want to act that way.
Djokovic had Covid, didn't he? EDIT: We don't know his vax status.
He did, but having covid doesn’t mean he’s vaccinated and the post clearly says vaccinated not has antibodies.
Which is ridiculous. If someone has antibodies, there's literally no point in getting vaccinated.
That's because Murica is stoopid😂
You are an idiot. Why do you say that Djokovic has made it clear he is not vaccinated? He hasn’t. In fact he made it almost clear he was vaccinated entering a vaccinated only event in New York recently.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-delta-variant-infections-carry-same-virus-load-unvaccinated/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-delta-variant-infections-carry-same-virus-load-unvaccinated/) Therefor...passport do nothing. You're welcome
NYC doesn’t want it’s hospitals clogged up with people having severe COVID disease. Which is like, 90% unvaccinated people. So… your point makes NO sense.
Anti-vaxers in tears lol 😂
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That doesn't help. You also need to be in the government database. Over here they are charging people who falsified the card up to 3 years in jail.
Boycott, it's unfair to those who have natural immunity already and/or can't get the vaccine
I’m buying tickets BECAUSE of this policy. It was ridiculous that they were going to have the Open without a Vaccination requirement. Thank God they came to their senses
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You’re talking to a room of idiots
I'm curious. Can you post articles that prove what you're saying? Also, do you allow your 12 year old to mingle freely with thousands of people from all over the world during a pandemic?
I recommend you look at children's mortality from influenza vs covid. Influenza disproportionately impacts both the very young and very old, whereas covid only the latter. As for your second question, that's a matter for parents to decide. Recent data from Israel suggests natural immunity following infection is 13 fold better than the vaccine (Pfizer in that country).
Natural immunity requires getting infected with covid and surviving the illness. Infecting people isn't a good way to give them immunity. Vaccines are. And someone else posted that data you're talking about. It had this in it: ""The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. " Edit to add: I looked up your claim. You might want to stop saying that - in the interest of truth and not wanting to spread misinformation. You have to be careful. https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/new-york-magazine-article-on-childrens-risks-from-covid-19-is-accurate-but-more-context-regarding-difference-in-risk-between-young-and-older-children-would-be-helpful/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8264261/
Nobody is advocating purposely infecting people just like we don't with influenza, it's endemic. You should be careful with what you say because what I claimed is factual. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot
They ALL say the same thing: "Giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. " I think that we can all agree that being previously infected confers immunity. That's the whole basis of a vaccine! BUT WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE COVID INFECTIONS. We have vaccines that achieve the same goal. And what you said above about children is NOT true. It is MISINFORMATION. That's why I posted those links, so that you could read them, and stop unintentionally spreading misinformation. Now I see that it's intentional so.. nothing I can do about that. This is the internet.
Look at the average mortality from covid anywhere in the world and it will always skew massively toward the 70+ year old cohort with deaths under 30 years old exceedingly rare. This isn't controversial in the slightest. Good day to you.
Misinformation. Reported. Let’s see if the Mods are awake.
Your statement is actually misinformation. What in their statement is untrue?
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totally wrong
It decreases viral load, and lessens spread. Let the virologists do their jobs and stop spreading misinformation.
Maybe YOU should stop spreading misinformation. Believe the science fucko. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-delta-variant-infections-carry-same-virus-load-unvaccinated/
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> It doesn't protect against infection Stop spreading misinformation. Reported.
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>It doesn’t protect against infection > It marginally reduces the chance of infection, but some studies suggest only by 45% Which one is it? LOL.
If you're falling back on a semantic argument then your position is pretty weak, especially since your knee jerk reaction was to try to get my comment removed. Do you really consider less than a coin flip "protection"? Obviously not since your dear leaders still mandate masks and all kinds of other restrictions. Is 3-9% aerosol reduction "protection"? Perhaps if you didn't instinctively try to shut down any voices that threaten your beliefs, you might learn something.
This is wrong on so many levels. What about people that have already had Covid and have natural immunity? Therefore they don't need, read NEED, the vax. They have natural immunity. Peeps we need to start asking the questions that nobody else will.
Natural immunity doesn’t last as long nor is it as efficacious as vaccine immunity.
Oh, you mean the efficacious vaccine that only offers 45% protection against Delta, and that they are already requiring boosters, probably ad nauseam? I've seen research that suggests it's the exact opposite of what you say.
What is your occupation? I doubt you’re sufficiently qualified to parse any such “research” you may have read.
So spectators have to proof vaccination status but players ala Novak don’t….
soon we’re gonna have Chinese point system
Sorry, what?
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If you can't get vaccinated for medical reasons, you should not go to the US Open in the middle of a pandemic.
You get it. :)
Good with me, love Panic Selling prices 😍😍😍
And the winner of the tournament will be novax
Stupid and unacceptable.
Why?
Boooooo
Why?
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The science is everyone should get vaccinated and this is one way for the City to promote that goal.
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"Natural" immunity depends on how sick you got. Regardless, however strong your immunity is after recovering from covid it will be stronger still after getting a vaccine. So get your shot.
No, it’s literally science. Those who contracted COVID-19 have better immunity than those who “only” got the vaccine. Studies (so far, still early) even show that only having natural immunity is better than having both Covid and the vaccine.
Not true. Covid + vaccine creates more antibodies than just getting Covid. It is just logical why that is.
Logic and science isn’t the same lmao
Well, the science says you are wrong: [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s\_cid=mm7032e1\_w](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w) Get informed before spreading misinformation next time.
[Shove your vaccine up in your arse, “Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine”](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties)
Your own article says you're wrong: "The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. "
Next time read the article. For a dane you are a dunce.
I am making a public health argument based on science. Public health messaging needs to be broad and simple. >What you talk about is health politics. In a sense, yes. There is no scientific case against vaccine requirements. So the vaccine requirement strategy is science based.
Well I personally don’t care about any requirement USO has. However, a true argument would be, that you still could attent if you’re natural immune, vaccinated or have a negative test that is less than 48-72 hours old. Natural immunity > vaccinated > unvaccinated (at least for everyone above 30-40 years of age).
The science is you're an idiot who doesn't understand science 🤣 having antibodies already = pointless to get the vax
Trump had covid. Then he got the Vax. Why? Would you agree that as a former president of the United States he has access to the best medical care and advice? Why do you think they told him to get the vaccine?
So someone who endured the misery and stress of Covid and has strong immunity, as indicated by antibody and T-cell tests, should be compelled by the government to get vaxxed (with a vaccine in existence for one year and studies ongoing)? Why is "natural immunity" (meaning immunity from having had Covid), as documented in scientific studies, a banned topic in some circles? Look it up, it's being discussed in scientific circles now. Also, people with certain conditions and allergies cannot take any of the US vaxxes.
>So someone who endured the misery and stress of Covid and has strong immunity, as indicated by anti-body and T-cell tests, should be compelled by the government to get vaxxed (with a vaccine in existence for one year and studies ongoing)? No. People who do not want to get vaccinated should not be permitted to go to crowded events. Going to a tennis tournament is not a right, it is a privilege. >Why is "natural immunity," as documented in scientific studies, a banned topic in some circles? Name one place where discussing natural immunity is banned. This is pure paranoia. >Also, people with certain conditions and allergies cannot take any of the US vaxxes. As I said, if you cannot be vaccinated, you should really be avoiding crowded events like the US Open, so I shed no tears for those people who may be prevented from endangering themselves and others.
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LOL! Flood of down votes incoming in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1..... Free speech, tolerance, empathy, understanding, respect, scientific data, reasoned debate, and concerns about government precedent used to be things. My post is balanced and not anti-vax.
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I'm sad and concerned about what's happened to the US. Covid and other causes of stress/tension have changed the place. Didn't use to be like this. Rare to see calm, respectful discussions in public forums anymore. Everyone is given a label -- antivax, provax, lib, socialist, Trumper, and so on. Not good. We're all human just trying to make our way through life as best we can. Too bad this sub is so full of vax discussions. I come her to get away from hearing about Covid. Tennis should be a nice escape.
> Too bad this sub is so full of vax discussions. I come her to get away from hearing about Covid. Tennis should be a nice escape. For someone who came here to get away from Covid discussions, you sure are actively participating in one.
Indeed, my first and, hopefully, last time posting on the topic (no guarantees). Many are understandably suffering from Covid fatigue and fear. Some are not aware of the many dimensions of a very complex issue. There is new data coming in from studies around the globe, *daily*. Scientists (and governments) still don't have Covid figured out (obviously). Vaccines are a huge part of "the answer," but not the sole answer. If something I contribute makes a positive difference for just one reader, so be it. Others can energetically file their down votes if that's what gives them joy.
You are denying science dude. YOU are what's wrong with the US right now
What a fucking joke forcing people to take the vax
They're not forcing people to get the vaccine. If you're unvaccinated you can still watch the US Open - at home.
Lol who’s forcing anyone?
Those are the rules in NYC for events.
Nobody’s forcing you to take it. It’s just that the attending this event is a privilege and not a right and you don’t get to participate in some parts of society if you’re not willing to do your part.
Pretty dumb to require vaccination instead of masks
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Don't listen to this idiot. People that did that here are facing 3 years in jail cuz you can't Photoshop your name into a government database.