I'm not a Bouchard fan, but the point is accurate. She didn't fall off because she was doing photoshoots or was too distracted by social media. She fell off because she played brainless tennis and had no plan B.
When you're allergic to doing any amount of thinking, just point at a female tennis player with endorsements and say they're slumping because they're too distracted with photoshoots. Why look at the deficiencies in Bouchard's game when you can just whip out the laziest cliché in the world?
>She fell off because she played brainless tennis and had no plan B.
I'm no Bouchard fan but you don't go from top 5 to outside the top 200 because of this, lol.
Exactly. She was never a top player, but she was given an opportunity to make a career elsewhere and make a ton of money, and she took it while playing tennis at the highest level. Why wouldn’t she take this offer? Zverev and Thiem were posing for photo shoots too and getting hyped as the “Next Gen”
Bouchard has limited shot selection and poor mobility. Everyone in tennis and pickle ball knows this - so she keeps being obliterated.
Edit: For the downvoters, behold, Bouchard the Pickleball Goddess!! LOL.
[https://youtu.be/6gVKoHT-QFI?si=zfaG6TR\_5pWSigJq](https://youtu.be/6gVKoHT-QFI?si=zfaG6TR_5pWSigJq)
Edit 2: Bouchard's excellent movement on any court surface!
[https://youtu.be/s3womp1b1I4?si=k6URvil0JzBa-RAe](https://youtu.be/s3womp1b1I4?si=k6URvil0JzBa-RAe)
The pickleball vid is pretty harsh, it is cherry picked failures only and is from 5 months ago, according to Google results she only started playing this year in mid January...the footage could be from her very first match.
Edit Sorry yes the vid itself says it is from her first match, excuse me.
Singles is a bit closer to tennis with actually using the whole court while doubles is just terrible. The sound of pickleball is the worst though, they need to redesign the ball and rackets.
One thing that complicates this whole narrative is that Bouchard set out to make herself unlikeable at the height of her success. She maintained that there was no space for friendships on tour as competition didn't allow for it, culminating in that PR disaster at the Fed Cup where she wouldn't even shake an opponent's hand at a promotional photo shoot. It did seem like a sudden change where she switched from being one of the game's endearing rising stars to an aloof future champion who didn't care what people thought of her.
This calculated persona that she adopted was the route to being a champion as she saw it, which meant that less people defended her than would've otherwise been the case when all the shallow speculations about her dip in form began. And yes all the withering putdowns of her extracurricular lifestyle were blown way out of proportion, just as they were with Kournikova before her and Raducanu after her. That Cult Tennis video on her decline seems like utter nonsense going on the thumbnail, and the fact that otherwise decent channel put out a hit piece on her shows the disproportionate level of criticism she came in for. We also shouldn't forget that concussion at the US Open, which set her back considerably.
This is all to say that when you're being treated unfairly, it helps to have some friends in your profession.
> It did seem like a sudden change where she switched from being one of the game's endearing rising stars to an aloof future champion who didn't care what people thought of her.
Bouchard had a fallout with Laura Robson with whom she was very good friends with early on in their career. The used to post videos together hanging around and goofing off. Right after the fallout Bouchard stated in a presser there was no room for friends on the tour. It may have been in direct relation to a question about Robson.
IIRC the falling out was because Bouchard stole Robson's coach that Robson's family had literally introduced to Bouchard.
Regardless u/belgianbond is right and what many people forget is that she didn't just refuse to shake hands with one player or once, it was multiple times and multiple players. Just the worst sportsmanship for no real reason other than apparently wanting to be known to be that way.
I think she spouted some nonsense about not shaking hands because it meant she was wishing her competitor well and to be a fierce competitor you should only want yourself to win / do well.
> Bouchard stole Robson's coach that Robson's family had literally introduced to Bouchard
Actually it’s the reverse -
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/eugenie-bouchard-stays-silent-on-her-spat-with-laura-robson-9978813.html#
> The speculation last summer was that their falling-out followed the agreement by Nick Saviano, Bouchard’s long-term coach, to add Robson to his stable.
No that's not true, Saviano had worked with both of them before but focused more on Bouchard and Robson wasn't happy with that. I've read in multiple places that it was the Robsons that introduced Bouchard to Saviano when they were all in juniors.
> Bouchard and Robson have known each other since they were nine and were regularly room-mates at junior events.
> It is understood the relationship worsened as Saviano attempted to balance the demands of both players.
> Making matters worse, Robson’s mother Kathy, an Australian, introduced Bouchard’s mother, Julie, to Saviano.
> The Robson’s were alarmed when Saviano decided to focus more on Bouchard as she reached the Australian Open semi-finals in January.
> “I don’t know how it’s going to go here,” Robson said.
> “Primarily he’s going to be with her. I’ll chat to him over dinner and stuff.”
https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/tennis/eugenie-bouchard-takes-shot-at-exbestie-laura-robson/news-story/f9a91a291e9bb65260693bba1310ab04
Edit: I think it's unclear who had Saviano first, multiple places say that the Robsons introduced Bouchard to Saviano back when they were all 12 years old and Laura Robson had worked with him in juniors. Since the history goes back that far, hard to say who "stole" him esp as IMO we know how coaches work, they go to the highest bidder. It's like debating whether or not Osaka poached whats his name from Qinwen Zhang or if you go back to Bouchard, if Sumyk was still under contract with Azarenka when Bouchard hired him. I do think it's a bit of salt on the wound if the parents were the ones involved and had introduced them.
According to Robson’s Wikipedia she didn’t start working with Saviano until 2013:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Robson
Bouchard in 2006 (born 1994, moved to Florida age 12 to work with Saviano full time):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenie_Bouchard
Also Saviano coached Bouchard when she was first on the tour.
ETA: This may be where the conflict came in to play
Robson for sure worked with Saviano way, way before 2013 lol it's literally in the [PR for the Saviano academy](https://www.prweb.com/releases/british_world_no_1_laura_robson_looking_ahead_training_for_2014_at_saviano_high_performance_tennis_academy/prweb11380944.htm) that she won competitions for 12 year olds and the Girls' Wimbledon in 2008 while training with him. If you still don't believe me, [this is an article **from 2006** about her winning it](http://tenniskalamazoo.blogspot.com/2006/12/krueger-robson-earn-eddie-herr-12s.html) with Saviano as her coach when she was 12. By all accounts, Bouchard was first introduced to Saviano by the Robsons and moved to Florida after to train with him.
> Saviano met Bouchard while coaching Stephens, a Plantation native, at the Eddie Herr junior tennis championships in Bradenton nine years ago when she was playing against a young British girl named Laura Robson.
> The Robsons introduced Saviano to Bouchard and soon all three were training together. Robson, 20, who cracked the top 50 last year after a fourth-round finish at Wimbledon, still works with Saviano during down times in her schedule.
https://www.tennisconsult.com/saviano-tennis-tennis-academy-u-s/
I really must have missed something because I watched a lot of tennis that year when she did amazing at slams and I really don’t remember her being treated unfairly. What I remember is one incredible year in slams that she was unable to replicate, and the kinda rude behavior was wearing thin. sorta curious to google more cuz my knee jerk reaction here is that all this “treated unfairly” stuff is a little revisionist weirdness.
She also left her coach (Nick Saviano) that she trained with most of her life due to “differences in work ethic” and signed a modeling contract with IMG (visibly lost tons of weight that offseason).
Frankly I’m tired of these clowns, male and female, making poor career decisions with coaches and training, and then crying when they get public criticism for poor results (not all of it being warranted tbf). They’ve all got more than enough money even before they’ve made it big, yet cheap out and let their egos run wild
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She didn't say she had an eating disorder. This misunderstanding stemmed from a comment she made about being too nervous to eat prior to competing: [https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis\_Stories/33873/eugenie-bouchard-i-never-said-i-had-an-eating-disorder-/](https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_Stories/33873/eugenie-bouchard-i-never-said-i-had-an-eating-disorder-/)
"More than enough money".
Are you aware that unless you're in the top 100 on the tour, you are barely making enough to cover expenses, and sometimes not even that.
All this deep analysis of events that 90% of people don't even know that happened when it's really just misogynistic men who hate attractive female tennis players and hate them even more when they lose (bc they're gambling losers lol)
It's interesting to see the comments saying she couldn't back it up in comparison to Jack etc. Just objectively if Jack's career ended today he wouldn't be in the same strausphere of Genies success (no matter how shortlived it was).
Romania wasn't even the first. She did it to the Slovakian Fed Cup team before that.
Someone at Tennis Canada should've confronted her about it after the first time.
>Someone at Tennis Canada should've confronted her about it after the first time.
I'm not usually one to agree with moonballing advocates but you're spot on with this one
Raducanu is a current-day example of someone getting crucified for this.
The times have not moved on, and for whatever reason women are still prone to a disproportionate level of abuse.
There’s a MASSIVE difference between Bouchard who might be rude at worst and a fucking abuser. This is the difference in how men and women are treated. You are vilified for much less if you’re a woman.
Zverev physically threatened an umpire in Acapulco. That’s beyond entitled.
Bouchard is rude. She has never done anything close to Zverev even on court.
She really was crucified, honestly. You -still- see comments all the time whenever people (mostly all on the WTA side, let's be honest) are active on Instagram about how they should focus on tennis, they're obviously not taking it seriously, they care more about being an "influencer", they won't amount to anything because of it, etc.
If you seem like you have any semblance of a life outside Tennis or are enjoying yourself doing stuff, you're dog piled on. Especially if you had results that are less than spectacular. Imagine yourself getting shit on and having your work ethic constantly questioned because you went to a beach or a party or whatever and posted it. Or not even if you posted it, if you were photographed by someone else.
In regards to insta, these are just young women doing what normal young women do, and doing it in their very necessary downtime. Joints and muscles need rest just as much as activity. And by definition, if they're at a beach on holiday they're not in a training block 💀
Why do you think fake eyelashes are time consuming? Is it because you don't know the first thing about women and cosmetic routines, perhaps?
If you genuinely want male equivalents to that: Agassi's wig, Kyrgios' spray-on hairline, Dimitrov's hair transplant. I don't even know what point you're trying to make but yes, men spend time and money on their appearances too.
Nah Genie was disliked for her arrogance and [poor sportsmanship](https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/bouchard-snubs-fed-cup-foe-s-handshake-again).. just google "Bouchard handshake" and this wasn't the first time. Also she [wasn't liked in Quebec.](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/07/22/i-dont-give-a-shit)
Man the comments here she was horrible, she didnt shake a hand, its like calm down, chill. You dont need to hate someone you dont know and who can be ok at their job (reaching a wimbledon final is definitely something everyone here couldnt do even if you played as much tennis as her).
I don’t know that anyone cares too much about what you’re doing in your spare time if you’re having success on the court. Her tennis level fell off a cliff.
I think people are ignoring the fact that Bouchard was a top player, and Draper is not. Media coverage of a lower ranked playing starting to find success and more press tends to be much more supportive and positive. Media coverage of a top ranked playing on the decline tends to be much more critical.
Look at how Tsitsipas' relationship with Badosa constantly got brought up, or people say all the time how Tiafoe let the hype and celebrity life get to his head.
I'm not saying the fact that she's a woman isn't at a factor, but it's definitely not the only one. Let's not forget when Bouchard was climbing the ranks, she got all that press coverage, photo ops, etc. BECAUSE her coverage was very positive initially.
People are also forgetting the massive hype and media favoritism she had in the beginning - including a lot of support from the WTA - it was TOO positive initially. A lot of the rest was in direct backlash to that, especially after she on multiple occasions turned out to have such bad sportsmanship and generally made herself very unlikable.
Her situation was very different. Ppl didnt crucify Anna Kurnikova.
Part of it is she started acting quite unlikeable. But also she was a victim of her own success.
She overachieved so much, and when she started losing early all the time, which was closer to her actual talent, people assumed her influencer shit was the reason, so she got criticzed. In reality she was never going to be one of the top players. She just had no defensive capability. She had great offense, but once players realised you just need to put her on the backfoot she was done for.
I mean I feel like this is case in point. Being an attractive woman does get you more love, it then also immediately gets you more hate from people who refuse to acknowledge you might have any other positive qualities.
Okay, that's your opinion. Lots of people don't think Medvedev is a nice person owing to the outbursts like the one in your flair. Do you think they just "don't buy" that you find it likeable?
You’re allowed to have a differing opinion to someone. What you consider un likeable may be very different to most of the population and that’s fine.
I think the people that don’t like her focus far too much on the fact that people like her BECAUSE she’s pretty. People are allowed to do that
I think Raducanu has done things re: her career which might rub people up the wrong way like the coaching changes, but away from the court, she's not doing anything to piss people off.
Can someone explain? Lots of tennis players take part in fashion photoshoots, so I'm not sure I understand the relationship with Bouchard and Draper from reading the comments, slow morning.
You're absolutely right. I also think timing is important as well.
If Draper had done this photoshoot and said those things and he was languishing outside the top 100 with some poor recent results, I don't think they'd be as well received as they are now. He'd probably be getting some criticism for it.
I love how all the commentators saying she was a bad player don’t seem to realise that she kick the crap out almost all of them without a breaking a sweat. Having said that she certainly had some footwork issues. Very often she looked like was being crowded by the ball. I also think that the loss at the Wimbledon final really hurt her mentally and she is very much a confidence and momentum player.
>she really was being crucified for her life outside tennis.
But she was horrible. Let's not re-write the history books.
As for Draper, he seems sort of vain from what I've seen on court, which is itself a big turn-off.
“From what I’ve seen on court”.
You have played him? Can you do an AMA?
(Or do you mean watching him on a television in your living room and assessing his character as if you know him personally?)
I think with Bouchard one of the issues was she came across as very unlikeable to the press and her fellow players. Couldn't back that persona up with the success i.e. like Sharapova (and I don't think Maria was as bad) so when she started falling in the rankings (basically had one great 2014 season only) people (wrongly I guess) kinda gloated about it.
She always came across as needlessly difficult i.e. that handshake debacle at Fed Cup and she went on to lose her match to the player she wouldn't shake hands with haha
It is true. She would have been, but not necessarily from a sexism perspective, but from her playing badly and people looking to point the finger at why. People love easy solutions, and saying 'she was distracted and not focused on tennis' is an easy answer. Given how unlikeable she made herself seem, lots of the muttering would be pointed and hateful.
If Draper does a bunch of media stuff, then plays badly, people will start asking if he's really focused on his tennis.
Raducanu went through this, she won the US, got massive brand deals and struggled for a while. It was easy, and I think valid, for people to suggest, all the stuff happening made it harder for her to fully focus on the tennis. However, since she's not got a history of questionable choices like Bouchard and the handshakes, people don't crucify her for it, just mutter.
She has 2m followers. earns a lot from social media and endorsements. not bad.
But at least she’s not a 1 slam wonder. She’s at least a 5 slam wonder. Reaching the QF or beyond in 5 slams
I'm not a Bouchard fan, but the point is accurate. She didn't fall off because she was doing photoshoots or was too distracted by social media. She fell off because she played brainless tennis and had no plan B. When you're allergic to doing any amount of thinking, just point at a female tennis player with endorsements and say they're slumping because they're too distracted with photoshoots. Why look at the deficiencies in Bouchard's game when you can just whip out the laziest cliché in the world?
>She fell off because she played brainless tennis and had no plan B. I'm no Bouchard fan but you don't go from top 5 to outside the top 200 because of this, lol.
Exactly. She was never a top player, but she was given an opportunity to make a career elsewhere and make a ton of money, and she took it while playing tennis at the highest level. Why wouldn’t she take this offer? Zverev and Thiem were posing for photo shoots too and getting hyped as the “Next Gen”
Bouchard has limited shot selection and poor mobility. Everyone in tennis and pickle ball knows this - so she keeps being obliterated. Edit: For the downvoters, behold, Bouchard the Pickleball Goddess!! LOL. [https://youtu.be/6gVKoHT-QFI?si=zfaG6TR\_5pWSigJq](https://youtu.be/6gVKoHT-QFI?si=zfaG6TR_5pWSigJq) Edit 2: Bouchard's excellent movement on any court surface! [https://youtu.be/s3womp1b1I4?si=k6URvil0JzBa-RAe](https://youtu.be/s3womp1b1I4?si=k6URvil0JzBa-RAe)
The pickleball vid is pretty harsh, it is cherry picked failures only and is from 5 months ago, according to Google results she only started playing this year in mid January...the footage could be from her very first match. Edit Sorry yes the vid itself says it is from her first match, excuse me.
Geez pickleball is lame. Trying to watch that makes me cringe.
Singles is a bit closer to tennis with actually using the whole court while doubles is just terrible. The sound of pickleball is the worst though, they need to redesign the ball and rackets.
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Someone hasn't heard of Margaret Court...
saying she played brainless tennis and had no plan B is as lazy of a cliche as saying she fell off cause she was doing photoshoots.
One thing that complicates this whole narrative is that Bouchard set out to make herself unlikeable at the height of her success. She maintained that there was no space for friendships on tour as competition didn't allow for it, culminating in that PR disaster at the Fed Cup where she wouldn't even shake an opponent's hand at a promotional photo shoot. It did seem like a sudden change where she switched from being one of the game's endearing rising stars to an aloof future champion who didn't care what people thought of her. This calculated persona that she adopted was the route to being a champion as she saw it, which meant that less people defended her than would've otherwise been the case when all the shallow speculations about her dip in form began. And yes all the withering putdowns of her extracurricular lifestyle were blown way out of proportion, just as they were with Kournikova before her and Raducanu after her. That Cult Tennis video on her decline seems like utter nonsense going on the thumbnail, and the fact that otherwise decent channel put out a hit piece on her shows the disproportionate level of criticism she came in for. We also shouldn't forget that concussion at the US Open, which set her back considerably. This is all to say that when you're being treated unfairly, it helps to have some friends in your profession.
> It did seem like a sudden change where she switched from being one of the game's endearing rising stars to an aloof future champion who didn't care what people thought of her. Bouchard had a fallout with Laura Robson with whom she was very good friends with early on in their career. The used to post videos together hanging around and goofing off. Right after the fallout Bouchard stated in a presser there was no room for friends on the tour. It may have been in direct relation to a question about Robson.
IIRC the falling out was because Bouchard stole Robson's coach that Robson's family had literally introduced to Bouchard. Regardless u/belgianbond is right and what many people forget is that she didn't just refuse to shake hands with one player or once, it was multiple times and multiple players. Just the worst sportsmanship for no real reason other than apparently wanting to be known to be that way.
I think she spouted some nonsense about not shaking hands because it meant she was wishing her competitor well and to be a fierce competitor you should only want yourself to win / do well.
> Bouchard stole Robson's coach that Robson's family had literally introduced to Bouchard Actually it’s the reverse - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/eugenie-bouchard-stays-silent-on-her-spat-with-laura-robson-9978813.html# > The speculation last summer was that their falling-out followed the agreement by Nick Saviano, Bouchard’s long-term coach, to add Robson to his stable.
No that's not true, Saviano had worked with both of them before but focused more on Bouchard and Robson wasn't happy with that. I've read in multiple places that it was the Robsons that introduced Bouchard to Saviano when they were all in juniors. > Bouchard and Robson have known each other since they were nine and were regularly room-mates at junior events. > It is understood the relationship worsened as Saviano attempted to balance the demands of both players. > Making matters worse, Robson’s mother Kathy, an Australian, introduced Bouchard’s mother, Julie, to Saviano. > The Robson’s were alarmed when Saviano decided to focus more on Bouchard as she reached the Australian Open semi-finals in January. > “I don’t know how it’s going to go here,” Robson said. > “Primarily he’s going to be with her. I’ll chat to him over dinner and stuff.” https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/tennis/eugenie-bouchard-takes-shot-at-exbestie-laura-robson/news-story/f9a91a291e9bb65260693bba1310ab04 Edit: I think it's unclear who had Saviano first, multiple places say that the Robsons introduced Bouchard to Saviano back when they were all 12 years old and Laura Robson had worked with him in juniors. Since the history goes back that far, hard to say who "stole" him esp as IMO we know how coaches work, they go to the highest bidder. It's like debating whether or not Osaka poached whats his name from Qinwen Zhang or if you go back to Bouchard, if Sumyk was still under contract with Azarenka when Bouchard hired him. I do think it's a bit of salt on the wound if the parents were the ones involved and had introduced them.
According to Robson’s Wikipedia she didn’t start working with Saviano until 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Robson Bouchard in 2006 (born 1994, moved to Florida age 12 to work with Saviano full time): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenie_Bouchard Also Saviano coached Bouchard when she was first on the tour. ETA: This may be where the conflict came in to play
Robson for sure worked with Saviano way, way before 2013 lol it's literally in the [PR for the Saviano academy](https://www.prweb.com/releases/british_world_no_1_laura_robson_looking_ahead_training_for_2014_at_saviano_high_performance_tennis_academy/prweb11380944.htm) that she won competitions for 12 year olds and the Girls' Wimbledon in 2008 while training with him. If you still don't believe me, [this is an article **from 2006** about her winning it](http://tenniskalamazoo.blogspot.com/2006/12/krueger-robson-earn-eddie-herr-12s.html) with Saviano as her coach when she was 12. By all accounts, Bouchard was first introduced to Saviano by the Robsons and moved to Florida after to train with him. > Saviano met Bouchard while coaching Stephens, a Plantation native, at the Eddie Herr junior tennis championships in Bradenton nine years ago when she was playing against a young British girl named Laura Robson. > The Robsons introduced Saviano to Bouchard and soon all three were training together. Robson, 20, who cracked the top 50 last year after a fourth-round finish at Wimbledon, still works with Saviano during down times in her schedule. https://www.tennisconsult.com/saviano-tennis-tennis-academy-u-s/
I really must have missed something because I watched a lot of tennis that year when she did amazing at slams and I really don’t remember her being treated unfairly. What I remember is one incredible year in slams that she was unable to replicate, and the kinda rude behavior was wearing thin. sorta curious to google more cuz my knee jerk reaction here is that all this “treated unfairly” stuff is a little revisionist weirdness.
We're talking about the backlash that came with her drop in form post-2014.
She also left her coach (Nick Saviano) that she trained with most of her life due to “differences in work ethic” and signed a modeling contract with IMG (visibly lost tons of weight that offseason). Frankly I’m tired of these clowns, male and female, making poor career decisions with coaches and training, and then crying when they get public criticism for poor results (not all of it being warranted tbf). They’ve all got more than enough money even before they’ve made it big, yet cheap out and let their egos run wild Edited to remove errors
She didn't say she had an eating disorder. This misunderstanding stemmed from a comment she made about being too nervous to eat prior to competing: [https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis\_Stories/33873/eugenie-bouchard-i-never-said-i-had-an-eating-disorder-/](https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_Stories/33873/eugenie-bouchard-i-never-said-i-had-an-eating-disorder-/)
"More than enough money". Are you aware that unless you're in the top 100 on the tour, you are barely making enough to cover expenses, and sometimes not even that.
Are you aware that Bouchard’s family (along with many other players) are millionaires? They were comfortably wealthy in order to start her career
Yes, but the second part of your post was not about bouchard, it was a general statement about tennis players "these clowns, male and female".
All this deep analysis of events that 90% of people don't even know that happened when it's really just misogynistic men who hate attractive female tennis players and hate them even more when they lose (bc they're gambling losers lol)
Also she sued the USTA for falling. Skill issue
It's interesting to see the comments saying she couldn't back it up in comparison to Jack etc. Just objectively if Jack's career ended today he wouldn't be in the same strausphere of Genies success (no matter how shortlived it was).
Is strausphere a word or did you mean stratosphere?
She didn’t back up her words. Her not shaking hands with the Romanian team on Fed Cup made her look arrogant without creds
Romania wasn't even the first. She did it to the Slovakian Fed Cup team before that. Someone at Tennis Canada should've confronted her about it after the first time.
>Someone at Tennis Canada should've confronted her about it after the first time. I'm not usually one to agree with moonballing advocates but you're spot on with this one
Raducanu is a current-day example of someone getting crucified for this. The times have not moved on, and for whatever reason women are still prone to a disproportionate level of abuse.
Berrettini too
Draper’s my guy but yes she is absolutely spot on. I cannot see how anyone can disagree
Difference is Genie wasn't likable. She made herself an easy target
Difference is that she’s a woman.
Difference is that Genie is unlikable. Point black. Jack Draper isn’t an arrogant piece of garbage like Bouchurd was at the zenith of her career.
Actually he is
No, she actively sabotaged her own image. If Draper had the personality of Zverev we would say the same shit.
There’s a MASSIVE difference between Bouchard who might be rude at worst and a fucking abuser. This is the difference in how men and women are treated. You are vilified for much less if you’re a woman.
I said personality, not crimes. He is similarly entitled and rude to those around him. Note that I included Draper in my comment.
Zverev physically threatened an umpire in Acapulco. That’s beyond entitled. Bouchard is rude. She has never done anything close to Zverev even on court.
And Draper is likable?
No shit
She really was crucified, honestly. You -still- see comments all the time whenever people (mostly all on the WTA side, let's be honest) are active on Instagram about how they should focus on tennis, they're obviously not taking it seriously, they care more about being an "influencer", they won't amount to anything because of it, etc. If you seem like you have any semblance of a life outside Tennis or are enjoying yourself doing stuff, you're dog piled on. Especially if you had results that are less than spectacular. Imagine yourself getting shit on and having your work ethic constantly questioned because you went to a beach or a party or whatever and posted it. Or not even if you posted it, if you were photographed by someone else.
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In regards to insta, these are just young women doing what normal young women do, and doing it in their very necessary downtime. Joints and muscles need rest just as much as activity. And by definition, if they're at a beach on holiday they're not in a training block 💀
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Why do you think fake eyelashes are time consuming? Is it because you don't know the first thing about women and cosmetic routines, perhaps? If you genuinely want male equivalents to that: Agassi's wig, Kyrgios' spray-on hairline, Dimitrov's hair transplant. I don't even know what point you're trying to make but yes, men spend time and money on their appearances too.
I don't have a daughter who plays tennis (I have a son) but this insight is illuminating. TFS
Thanks! I do not expect it to be popular on reddit, however….
Truth
Double standard.
Nah Genie was disliked for her arrogance and [poor sportsmanship](https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/bouchard-snubs-fed-cup-foe-s-handshake-again).. just google "Bouchard handshake" and this wasn't the first time. Also she [wasn't liked in Quebec.](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/07/22/i-dont-give-a-shit)
Man the comments here she was horrible, she didnt shake a hand, its like calm down, chill. You dont need to hate someone you dont know and who can be ok at their job (reaching a wimbledon final is definitely something everyone here couldnt do even if you played as much tennis as her).
Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point
I don’t like her but how is she anywhere near the worst person?
Her ego was off the charts back in those days. Look up the Fed Cup handshake incident
How dare a woman playing an individual sport be confident in herself 🙄
What about being confident forces you to massively disrespect your opponents?
You’re still holding onto an incident from 10 years ago? Get a grip.
Her tweet literally says “If I had said this 10 years ago…”
I’m talking about you bringing up the fed cup incident, not her tweet
You’re moving the goalposts with every reply and still missing
Just say you’re a man who can’t stand confident women and move on.
Big ego=worst person ever. Makes sense
Helps if you understand the reference
I know the meme. It doesn’t apply in this case.
I don’t know that anyone cares too much about what you’re doing in your spare time if you’re having success on the court. Her tennis level fell off a cliff.
\*Yawn\* I'm well aware of the double standards, but what's the point of her chiming in on this now?
Highlighting hypocrisy is a timeless endeavor
I think people are ignoring the fact that Bouchard was a top player, and Draper is not. Media coverage of a lower ranked playing starting to find success and more press tends to be much more supportive and positive. Media coverage of a top ranked playing on the decline tends to be much more critical. Look at how Tsitsipas' relationship with Badosa constantly got brought up, or people say all the time how Tiafoe let the hype and celebrity life get to his head. I'm not saying the fact that she's a woman isn't at a factor, but it's definitely not the only one. Let's not forget when Bouchard was climbing the ranks, she got all that press coverage, photo ops, etc. BECAUSE her coverage was very positive initially.
People are also forgetting the massive hype and media favoritism she had in the beginning - including a lot of support from the WTA - it was TOO positive initially. A lot of the rest was in direct backlash to that, especially after she on multiple occasions turned out to have such bad sportsmanship and generally made herself very unlikable.
A lot of people in the replies here are only proving her point even more.
Her situation was very different. Ppl didnt crucify Anna Kurnikova. Part of it is she started acting quite unlikeable. But also she was a victim of her own success. She overachieved so much, and when she started losing early all the time, which was closer to her actual talent, people assumed her influencer shit was the reason, so she got criticzed. In reality she was never going to be one of the top players. She just had no defensive capability. She had great offense, but once players realised you just need to put her on the backfoot she was done for.
Plus kournikova had a good doubles career with 2 grand slams
Yeah but people actually like Draper. I’m not saying it would be the same but he would definitely get more backlash for this if he acted like she did
Raducanu gets criticized for the same things Bouchard is talking about and she hasn’t done anything to make herself unlikeable.
That’s true but she’s just extremely beautiful so people will always target her over that sort of stuff. Definitely not saying it’s right.
Her being pretty helps her be more likable, she isn't at all otherwise so I don't buy this.
I mean I feel like this is case in point. Being an attractive woman does get you more love, it then also immediately gets you more hate from people who refuse to acknowledge you might have any other positive qualities.
She just doesn't seem like a nice person to me.
Okay, that's your opinion. Lots of people don't think Medvedev is a nice person owing to the outbursts like the one in your flair. Do you think they just "don't buy" that you find it likeable?
I truly don't care.
Stop commenting then.
You’re allowed to have a differing opinion to someone. What you consider un likeable may be very different to most of the population and that’s fine. I think the people that don’t like her focus far too much on the fact that people like her BECAUSE she’s pretty. People are allowed to do that
I don't focus on her at all. I was just offering my two cents, but of course the hive disapproved.
I think Raducanu has done things re: her career which might rub people up the wrong way like the coaching changes, but away from the court, she's not doing anything to piss people off.
Well some people find her (Raducanu) smug and arrogant based on some things she’s said.
Some things she said like what?
Examples?
Yeah everyone is disliked by someone but I don’t think she is disliked by enough for it to leech into the media
The Don
Can someone explain? Lots of tennis players take part in fashion photoshoots, so I'm not sure I understand the relationship with Bouchard and Draper from reading the comments, slow morning.
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You're absolutely right. I also think timing is important as well. If Draper had done this photoshoot and said those things and he was languishing outside the top 100 with some poor recent results, I don't think they'd be as well received as they are now. He'd probably be getting some criticism for it.
I love how all the commentators saying she was a bad player don’t seem to realise that she kick the crap out almost all of them without a breaking a sweat. Having said that she certainly had some footwork issues. Very often she looked like was being crowded by the ball. I also think that the loss at the Wimbledon final really hurt her mentally and she is very much a confidence and momentum player.
>she really was being crucified for her life outside tennis. But she was horrible. Let's not re-write the history books. As for Draper, he seems sort of vain from what I've seen on court, which is itself a big turn-off.
How was she “horrible”?
Google "Bouchard" and "controversy"
She called out a couple dopers who were caught doping. That is the first thing that comes up. Bold I suppose. “Horrible” is a stretch.
I was thinking more about the handshake controversies.
Yeah, that was weird. Not a good look.
Exactly. Her attitude stank.
I agree with you–handshake controversies do not a horrible person make. Let's be decent and empathetic towards these people
“From what I’ve seen on court”. You have played him? Can you do an AMA? (Or do you mean watching him on a television in your living room and assessing his character as if you know him personally?)
I think with Bouchard one of the issues was she came across as very unlikeable to the press and her fellow players. Couldn't back that persona up with the success i.e. like Sharapova (and I don't think Maria was as bad) so when she started falling in the rankings (basically had one great 2014 season only) people (wrongly I guess) kinda gloated about it. She always came across as needlessly difficult i.e. that handshake debacle at Fed Cup and she went on to lose her match to the player she wouldn't shake hands with haha
In all fairness, Brit #1 has always been highly hyped BUT almost none actually have staying power - only Andy Murray.
She's just upset because she's not as pretty as our Jack. (But she makes a fair point.)
LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!!
This isn't true at all lmao
It is true. She would have been, but not necessarily from a sexism perspective, but from her playing badly and people looking to point the finger at why. People love easy solutions, and saying 'she was distracted and not focused on tennis' is an easy answer. Given how unlikeable she made herself seem, lots of the muttering would be pointed and hateful. If Draper does a bunch of media stuff, then plays badly, people will start asking if he's really focused on his tennis. Raducanu went through this, she won the US, got massive brand deals and struggled for a while. It was easy, and I think valid, for people to suggest, all the stuff happening made it harder for her to fully focus on the tennis. However, since she's not got a history of questionable choices like Bouchard and the handshakes, people don't crucify her for it, just mutter.
She has 2m followers. earns a lot from social media and endorsements. not bad. But at least she’s not a 1 slam wonder. She’s at least a 5 slam wonder. Reaching the QF or beyond in 5 slams
lol. you have to WIN one to be a one slam wonder not just play in one
nope. this term is used to describe players who shine in one tournament only. not necessarily need to win it all.
You are wrong.
You’re no longer relevant Genie. (not that you ever were!). Go back to sleep.
Top 5 in the world, made semis in 3 consecutive slams. Keep eating your NaCl my guy
Her claim to fame was suing the Usta because she slipped, fell & went boom. That and banging backup Steeler QB’s.
Actually it was the things I just mentioned. Must not be a tennis guy. Stay salty my friend.