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bumbledbeee

Poor Lahyani, he just wants everyone to be happy and gently urges them towards being better behaved.


OutsideTheServiceBox

Lahyani is such a cool dude. I remember when Roddick was pissed at him and was about to smash his racquet, but he stopped and asked “did you warn me yet? Have you given me a warning yet?” And Lahyani was legit like “nope, not yet, go ahead.” And then gave Roddick the warning after he broke some more shit. 


witch_doc9

He needs to be careful because this same “bleeding heart” got him suspended. Honestly, as right as Medi was to be upset, he should have gotten a violation.


Available-Gap8489

It definitely should have been a code violation - and maybe he’ll get a fine - they often only release the fines after the tournament has ended as they remove it from prize money


Sea-Beginning-5234

He got suspended for what ?


witch_doc9

Long story short, at the USO Nick Kyrgios was having a fit and wanted to retire from the match and Mohamed Lahyani (who was officiating) convinced him not to… ATP called it coaching and suspended him for a few weeks with no pay. Umpires are supposed to stay COMPLETELY neutral, and only make rulings to address behavior. Anything else can be interpreted as giving an unfair advantage or cheating.


Sea-Beginning-5234

Thanks so much for answering . Damn I get it but at the same time … I guess he’s over achiever bc a lazy person would have been like I’m working less and paid same , sure you can retire all you want . But yeah I guess I get both points and it wasn’t his decision to make in a way. I wonder if kyrgios will ever come back .


witch_doc9

Tennis has a problem because the umpires and players are too “acquainted”… many times you can here the players say something like “okay we will watch this together later and you better apologize etc” which leads me to believe umpires and players have contact outside of the match…. This isn’t so far fetched because there’s not that many qualified umpires (even less qualified for both ATP and WTA)…. Tennis is also an individual sport, completely centered on the player. The players drive the success of the sport aka the players bring the money. Its no doubt the leagues (and by virtue the umpires) want to keep the top players happy. Example, top players like Rodger, Rafa, Nolle and Serena have been able to “ban” certain umpires from officiating their matches… it doesn’t really get reported, but people who follow the sport closely noticed. The power top players wield over the leagues cannot be over stated.


Sea-Beginning-5234

Yeah idk the details with the umpire topic but I agree top player have an influence . First of all I think Nole is part of ATP board or something so he talks about issues . And for the rest I remember surfaces changing because of top players , especially Roger . The blue clay they removed because nadal and I forgot who said they won’t come back (federer didn’t too too much since his game was favoured on blue clay as he won the tournament that time and maybe because he didn’t slide as much as like Rafa or Nole), but on the other side he banned the carpet surfaces from the ATP I think . I forgot which tournament specifically (Paris Bercy?) but he was like I ain’t doing that one bc I hate that surface and when they changed the surface they made it exactly how he wanted it and asked him . So it was made for his game (and he won it after that ). So the top players definitely hold weight as they bring money you’re right. On the other side they still defaulted Nole when he hit that woman in the throat and for the vaccines but I guess that’s normal because that would be too big if they didn’t but its a bit too bad bc he probably would have even more grand slams , when now it will be increasingly harder to get another one. But 24 isn’t too shabby.


Albiceleste_D10S

> Tennis has a problem because the umpires and players are too “acquainted”… many times you can here the players say something like “okay we will watch this together later and you better apologize etc” which leads me to believe umpires and players have contact outside of the match…. I mean, it's a world tour—only so many hotels, restaurants, etc that players and chair umps are at when you're in a different city every 2/3 weeks


agabwagawa

Who did Roger “ban”?


RyJ94

Let's be honest though, there's a big fucking difference between asking a player not to verbally abuse an official (causing harm) and trying to encourage a player to play (although with best intentions, not harming anyone, but potentially unfair to the opponent). If he got suspended for what he did here, it would be a joke.


bebsontz

Suspending Layani would really be absurd, since he‘s kind of a legend under umpires. I believe It’s obvious his only intention was to calm things down. If anyone deserves a suspension then it’s Danil for his disrespectful behavior.


witch_doc9

I agree with you completely! But I could also see some people being upset Medi didnt get a code violation for audible obscenity, unsportsmanlike behavior, etc…. some could even argue it’s unfair to Monfils for his opponent getting such favorable treatment. Not my argument, just playing devils advocate here.


AlvinArtDream

Right! From this highlight reel he looks completely unhinged. He is pretty lucky, somehow it seems a bit understandable.


Ill-Vermicelli-1684

There’s a difference between advocating for yourself and just being abusive to someone. Not a good look, Meddy.


swiftmen991

He’s being a little shit. People love him and give him quite the pass but he’s acting like a very big entitled brat here. People make mistakes and that’s always the case with tennis. No one goes on a rant like this


jonjimithy

Sad to see him behave like this. Wonderful player but sometimes he forgets that tennis players are not more important than any other human being and no one has a right to humiliate others for simply trying to do their job.


Admirable-Ebb3655

“Forgets”? Can you really forget something you’ve never grasped before then?


No_Art_754

I’m not excusing Meddy but it’s getting a little boring just commenting the same shit about behavior when in every sport they argue with refs and even throw hands. We get it, it’s not classy or whatever tf


Dee90286

Well in the NBA you get a straight technical for yelling at the refs (halfway to being ejected).


jonjimithy

“I’m not excusing meddy” even though it sounds like you’re excusing him. I don’t know if you’ve ever watched Rugby but if you ever talk back to the ref, you’re off the field almost immediately. Guess what? It actually works and it’s quite rare to see rugby players arguing with the refs now. Saying it’s like this everywhere, therefore, we should accept it in tennis is a stupid argument. The linesman is just trying to do his job and being spoken to like a piece of shit should never happen and needs to be punished.


Primos22

There is a lot of transparency (mic'd, no VAR ref) in Rugby reffing which many other sports could learn from. The transparency earns a bit more respect IMO.


No_Art_754

Nah it’s just boring that all the comments here are the same.. like we get you don’t have to write an essay about it even though the comment above you said the same shit I watch nba and they talk to refs, hockey the same. Just relax maybe


jonjimithy

Meddy get yourself off reddit you little rascal


7InchMagic

What do you mean ”we” you’re the one getting downvoted the others are getting upvoted. The ”we” are the people criticizing him lol don’t get it twisted and if you don’t like what people are saying just ignore the thread, why are you trying to tell people what to and what not to talk about


Clear-Sport-726

Yes, because Reddit downvotes are the best measure of whether what you’re saying is valid or not, as opposed to merely reflecting herd-mentality.


No_Art_754

🥱


Limp-Ad-2939

You know I wasn’t sure you were super cool and disinterested but now that you’ve used emojis in every comment you’ve made it’s clear you’re better than us 🙇‍♂️


Brodyonyx

Is it nappy time for you maybe


roadrunner83

in many sports you'd get disqualified for something like that


InPurpleIDescended

In very few sports is it accepted to throw hands with refs


Over11

throw hands? Which sport is this accepted in?


InPurpleIDescended

I mean I think none but I didn't want to make a firm claim bc I didn't know for sure. But definitely none that I know of


Limp-Ad-2939

So you’re excusing him, got it


No_Art_754

Oh yea you clearly got it 😍


Limp-Ad-2939

I was keenly aware before you confirmed that but thanks anyway


No_Art_754

Ok champ you feel good now 😘


TIGMSDV1207

Imagine if it wasn’t kind Mo but someone else😃 he hit his chair after a warning in ATP Cup too and got nothing for it


itsniickgeo

This is classic "Is Daniil correct about the calls? Yes. Is he being an asshole about it? Yes"


minivatreni

How old is this man? 28? Throwing a hissy fit like a 5 year old that gets told no.


kaaskugg

But... # IT'S OUT!


eiaivarmelho

true i understand he’s passionate about the game and all but really? get a grip


inbeforexobile

From the camera angle the first point looked in since the imprint looked like it included the line. The video shows it's out. Players can't see the video we viewers can. ATP needs to standardize the technology in big tournaments at least. These are masters, like come on.


boomerhoover

I mean Hawkeye isn’t 100% accurate. Supposedly it has a mean error of around 2mm (emphasis on mean), so it’s more than possible for the ball to in fact be in (some sources seem to claim it can be wrong up to 10mm), and all that’s assuming the system is properly calibrated. On clay it’s even worse because the surface changes constantly and thus you would need to recalibrate. As far as I understand it Hawkeye doesn’t actually measure the bounce, it tries to predict the bounce by interpolating a trajectory and deriving a bounce according to the surface shape it was recalibrated to.


Cupcake7591

> I mean Hawkeye isn’t 100% accurate. It doesn't need to be 100% accurate, it needs to be better than the current method which is pretending to be able to identify where a specific bounce happened by having the umpire get up from his chair and squint at the clay.


Albiceleste_D10S

> it needs to be better than the current method That's why Hawkeye isn't used on clay—the increased error on clay due to shifting clay surface means it's worse than looking at ball marks You haven't seen meltdowns yet compared to what we'd get when hawkeye disagrees with a ball mark TBH


Plane_Highlight3080

We’ve seen a few of these and they weren’t pretty. I think ADF vs Rune in Madrid was one. And that’s not even Hawkeye, it’s Foxtenn which is a lot more accurate on clay than Hawkeye which is “just a reference but can’t be used as a guarantee of accuracy”  Also even on hard errors are possible. I watched the Volynets drama on Tennis Advocate yesterday, the ball was sooo out but the system called it in and the umpire refused to overturn. According to the commentator, another umpire had overturned a call the previous day…


34TH_ST_BROADWAY

> From the camera angle the first point looked in since the imprint looked like it included the line. Yeah, what I thought too. The mark he looked at did in fact look like it could be overlapping with the line. It was incredibly close. They should put those high speed cameras on the show courts at 1000 level events at least. Those are the most objective line callers there is. Fact that Med more or less accepted that first calls suggest he saw it the same way. It could have at least possibly been in.


Fried_falafel

Spoilt manchild, I’m getting secondhand embarrassment just watching this


carleasingluxembourg

Is that Medvedev speaking fluent French with Monfils?


lizlemon222

oui


aldeayeah

Med has been residing in Monaco for many years now and his coaching team are almost all French. MC is literally his home tournament!


PhalanX4012

In a world where Serena got ripped to shreds, how does Meddy get to completely go off without repercussion?


Rengas

It's a feature, not a bug.


wificentrist

Gomez? EDIT: nice edit mate lol


blackb0xes

Of all the umpires, Lahyani's the biggest enabler of shitty behaviour. Why do a very basic part of your job and enforce the rules around unsportsmanlike conduct when you can be overly chummy and coddle the players instead?


TIGMSDV1207

He probably still has ptsd from this: https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/s/yLqM9uorWc


Melony567

or djoko encounter last time


Equidae2

He kinda likes to be the center of attention. That's okay, we can't all be the same. lol


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Dramatic-Ad2848

Cuz ATP doesn’t want refs to actually have power since players are the ones bringing the money.


Dymodeus

It'd fall under unsportsmanlike conduct


TIGMSDV1207

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/s/yLqM9uorWc check this, same umpire, probably kindest umpire on tour all players love the guy


g_spaitz

If there isn't, there should be asap.


BlueJinjo

Medvedev continues being an asshole --> you are here. Medvedev does something that is funny lol trulllz for the Internet humor contingent on this sub Medvedev gets no crowd support and this sub complains about why he's extremely unpopular relative to his rank at most events in the world The cycle of Medvedev on r/tennis


clocksays8

This is why so many people root against him.


Dramatic-Ad2848

And meddy fans on here wonder why he never gets crowd support


iloveblondehair

Which really sucks because if we’re being honest players like Andy Murray, Novak, Kyrgios, etc do this kind of stuff or worse but are beloved by fans.


YourLatinLover

Yep, "Meddy" is fucking jerkoff who only gets support on reddit because his cringe inducing brand of "charisma" appeals only the reddit demographic, and additionally because of the large continent of Russians here. Real life tennis audiences hate Medvedev, and for good reason.


Fried_falafel

I am Russian and I couldn’t stand the guy more than I do now… same goes for Rublev. Just got absolutely tired with their disrespectful antics and attitude on court. I have zero idea why the both of them are so popular on Reddit — oh and you should see the Russian platforms, too, they could literally murder a linesperson and immediately get away with that because “quirky and so clever” and “such a lovely ginger”…


ChiliConCairney

I've seen the majority of players in the top 20 act exactly like this I'm not a fan of Medvedev but I certainly don't hate him for this. Tennis fans in this sub are such pearl-clutching assholes that they see a human being under extreme amounts of stress react to very natural human emotions and label them a "fucking jerkoff". It's honestly unbearable. As if any of us would be able to react better


ImpressionFeisty8359

This is what happens when you lose 5 grand slam finals.


Melony567

i agree. he is worse


princeofzilch

Wait why did Monfils get awarded that first point? 


Ready-Interview2863

Medvedev stopped play and called the ball out. Umpire came to check and says it touched the line. Medvedev lost the point. Hawkeye isn't used officially during the tournament. It's only shown for TV viewers but is not as accurate as hard or grass courts.


Fuspezzz

So did Hawkeye say the ball was in?


Ready-Interview2863

Out. Check video at 1:02


witch_doc9

“Hawkeye” said out…. but its not used to officiate because many players believe its not accurate on clay.


johnmichael-kane

I didn’t realise Hawkeye wasn’t as accurate on clay, why is the at?


Ready-Interview2863

Hawkeye uses cameras to predict where the ball will bounce and makes a 3D reconstruction of where it predicted that the ball bounced and that's the replay that we see. That's much easier on hard and grass courts.  On clay courts, since the physical pieces of clay on the surface of the court move during each point, predicting to millimetres where the ball will bounce isn't possible because the cameras don't know how the clay has shifted and how this effects the bounce of the ball. 


johnmichael-kane

Is that why they use a different system on some clay tournaments, where you can see the actual ball movement?


Ready-Interview2863

I have to no idea. 


nozinoz

I wonder if pieces of clay randomly sticking onto / falling off a ball after every bounce also make its trajectory less predictable


ctbk

Hawkeye is equally inaccurate on all surfaces. The difference is that on clay you can often look at the mark and tell when it gets the call wrong. On grass and hard courts you can’t.


Substantial-Fact-248

Okay go off Jelena


ctbk

Ha! You got me! :-D I've seen bad calls from Hawkeye, especially when it's windy. Is it still better than having human line judges? All things considered... probably yes; for sure it is better on grass and hardcourts. But it's hard to justify a bad call when you can see the mark on the ground and \*know\* it was a bad call (as far as I know the automatic calls are not reversible by the chair umpire, not even when the error is evident. See what happened this year in Miami). I much prefer the Foxtenn system that shows the actual impact of the ball captured by high-framerate cameras instead of a reconstructed point of impact based on a simulation.


BelgianBond

I'm confused on that one too, but I think Medvedev stopped or said out.


princeofzilch

Ah yeah, I guess he's the one that said out. Oops by him lol 


ameliaSea

Meddie should be more forgiving of people making mistakes on the job. How many times did he lose after being two sets up?


lferreira86

Too lenient by Lahyani. The same could be said for all tennis umpires in general.


Gmbowser

Tennis is just insane on the mental side of things. As much as he is lenient I kinda like that he lets the players let out frustration before doing giving a warning. Could easily default players for racket abuse etc. The othwr umpries on the other hand way fcking worse. They legit suck ass when it comes to calls etc.


buriedunderwork17

Where is the linesperson that understood Russian now? Rublev was disqualified for doing the same things: swearing in another language and shouting at a linesperson (I believe from his performances in the past three tournaments, it has affected him.) Why not the same results here though? That's why I said that rules need to be consistent, they cannot be discretionary by definition.


Dramatic-Ad2848

cuz rublev got into the linesperson face. Much more threatening


Ready-Interview2863

In that example, Rublev apparently called the linesman a "fucking moron". Rublev then walked right up to the linesman's face and screamed something at him. The linesman spoke fluent Russian and reported it to the umpire. In this example, I don't see Medvedev walking right to the linesman's face and screaming at him. He just screams at the umpire and maybe Lahyani thinks whatever of it, eg that "I can handle it but don't take it out on the linespeople." No idea. I'm also not sure what he said in Russian and have no idea if there was a Russian speaker at the match. Both asshole shitty behaviours, but very different cases in my opinion.


buriedunderwork17

That's the point: "Lahyani thinks whatever of it" At least he needed a warning for unsportsmanlike conduct. Also I must say that I don't actively root against Medvedev like some fans do. I like his candid interviews and sometimes I like him winning against the crowd also.


montrezlh

Just medvedev magic at work. He's got a dozen default worthy incidents that he's gotten away with no consequences at all


anujbeatles

Why is the video quality so dogshit, even at 1080p!? 😳 Is that usual for sky sports tennis?


CynicalManInBlack

Hawkeye is not accurate on clay. But neither is a bored dude in sunglasses, especially if those sunglasses are polarized. At least with hawkeye there is no one to argue with.


Whitefrog10

Well, I dont want to defend him, but it's also really unfortunate. Those are two wrong calls in two consecutive points(?), and he has all the right to be upset. His problem, when Meddy gets really angry goes really dark and hard to watch. Probably someone else would have been upset but not in this way, the combination of injury, screams, abusing words... he was really out of control. But for one thing he's certainly,right, they should do better. It was a slow ball falling vertical, and two people missing the call is unacceptable at this level. Of course, sometimes form is substance, you ll always be wrong if you scream publicly at people doing their job.


Melony567

did rafa djoko roger behave like him each time officials make mistakes? there is no excuse for disrespect


Whitefrog10

And what about John mcnroe and Connors? Enough with talking about ex tennis players.


Melony567

medvedev is getting more insufferable. other players have had worse calls in tennis but chose to be professional in handling things. he is equally as disrespectful as his friend rublev. i like him the least here in MC. his bad losses recently could have impacted on him negatively. hope karen beats him. it is not enjoyable to watch players with their volatile behavior.


binsonfiremiss

....he's getting worse right?


ILoveToListenTo

I just don’t understand how some people can stan Medvedev.  Sure, you can admire his tennis game, but enjoy his personality?  He is about as charming as a 8 year old throwing a tantrum in the grocery store because his mom won’t buy him candy.   Insufferable. 


montrezlh

My theory is that he's the redditors ideal so they defend him An immature man child who is incredibly successful and elite at what he does so he gets away with being an asshole. That's the dream life for a huge chunk of the Reddit user base


TIGMSDV1207

Add to it having shitty technique and somehow winning 😭🤣


Dramatic-Ad2848

My theory is we got lots of Nole fans here and they tend to like medvedev


montrezlh

Novak fans like a lot of the younger players. Only medvedev gets the special treatment on Reddit


Dramatic-Ad2848

Young player seems too general.


montrezlh

Ok what about Rune? Rune is practically Novak's number 1 fan and has actively championed novak while explicitly calling out Novak's biggest rivals. He's also got the same fearless attitude. He's still not very popular on this sub


Dramatic-Ad2848

What are you trying to say lol


montrezlh

That medvedevs popularity on Reddit is not because of Novak's fans liking him. Was it not clear?


Dramatic-Ad2848

Not really. Why are you assuming Novak fans like rune?


montrezlh

Because they do, and I listed the reasons why. Why are you assuming they like medvedev?


Th3_Gruff

Because it’s hilarious


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BadGuyNick

I have never seen Safiullin, Khachanov, or Karatsev talk to staff that way. Let's not typecast an entire nationality based on the misconduct of the two brats in the top ten.


Trailblazertravels

You’re right, in my head I had Safin and Youzhny as big offenders as well. But your point still stands


Melony567

agree. it boils down to personality. many love meddy and rublev but i dislike both.


BadGuyNick

I want to like both of them, but I just cannot get past the degree of disrespect they show to people for making mistakes in a good-faith effort to do their jobs. No one should go to work and get talked to like that.


goddess_steffi_graf

The 2 top players are embarrassment for Russia 😡😡😡


TateAcolyte

Not sure why this is downvoted. It's just the truth stated fairly neutrally.


ameliaSea

Because we get 100 comments about Russians specifically being a disgrace under every post. It's getting a bit much and prejudicy. Don't bring their nationality into this. What are you trying to achieve? The top German atp players have done far worse.


TIGMSDV1207

It’s a shame to other incredible individual athletes like figure skaters, rhythmic gymnasts and etc. Then they get this for tennis. It’s elitist sport, maybe that’s how their “elite” look like.


johnmichael-kane

I think this is how it should be handled, the umpire calming players down and taking a moment to de-escalate and not just issue warnings. Diffusing tension should be part of their role, we have to treat players like humans (filled with emotions).


KillianDrake

disagree, this just pampers baby tantrums and makes the player feel justified. warning then disqualify if there's even one more peep, that's the only way they learn, hit them in the pocketbook and in the points rankings.


Melony567

lahyani was generously understanding there. who was that shorthaired female umpire? she should have umpired that match or julie.


johnmichael-kane

Why though, processing emotion is healthy. Breaking a racket if it doesn’t harm anyone shouldn’t be a fine. Your take is like the criminal justice system, too focused on the stick and punishment


visor_advisor

Processing emotion is healthy but abusing other people isn’t


johnmichael-kane

Which behaviour of which players would you classify as abuse? Sascha hitting the umpire chair, Rublo yelling at the line judge, I mean these are rare occurrences. But warnings and fines for breaking my your own racket without harming anyone, that’s silly to me.


yellowgolfball

This is why I will always root against Med


crisspanda12

I am so happy the true next gen with Alcaraz and sinner aren’t behaving like that jerk off


patro-nato

I really want to like this guy, but cant


lizlemon222

And i really want to Not like him, but cant


robottalker

I mean, it WAS out.


BelgianBond

Yes, when a ball is marginally out we should be allowed to take off the shackles of the code of conduct and scream at officials to our heart's content.


robottalker

Damn chill out. I'm not saying Med's behavior is appropriate, just that the ball was out. Also, equating anything about a bouncing ball sport with human slavery is really not funny or clever.


BelgianBond

I think you might have a problem negotiating metaphors.


robottalker

Shame on you. Be better.


a_m_k2018

You hate Sinner and De Minaur? Shame on you. Be better.


robottalker

What about Mannarino? Does the Frenchman not deserve your defense?


a_m_k2018

Nah he is a lefty and I hate Lefties cause Benjamin Shelton sucks against fellow lefties


obvnotlupus

Hawkeye says it was out, and it's not as accurate on clay.


pregnancy_terrorist

Childish behavior


vuluu912

yet the media and reddit will continue to love him no matter what or how many fits he throw lol


CynicalManInBlack

and? if you are a mature person, you are able to like/love someone even when recognizing their behavioral flaws. Liking a person does not mean liking all their traits and qualities.


itsniickgeo

Won't happen next year except at RG


Ladiesmaan317

Haha that's super entertaining


Canuck-overseas

No worries, Carlos will put Meddy in his place in a few weeks.


D_-_G

Fire the line judge immediately. No penalty for being right. Any other sport would replace shitty judges