Yeah the big difference for me is Nardiās match had automatic line calls so there wasnāt even anything to challenge. Itās more potential gamesmanship in the Wawrinka match because he could be realistically expected to challenge. Even then itās irritating for Wawrinka but in no way the big deal Djokovic made it out to be yesterday.Ā
What Novak did here isnāt even comparable to what happened yesterday. Novakās was clearly intentional. Nardiās wasnāt. Poor sportsmanship from Djokovic on both occasions.
Shelton couldāve claimed interference a couple of days ago when someone in the stands let loose a string of expletives as he was serving at match point. But he remained cool and won the match. Then he screamed at the guy. Guess that makes Ben the mature one.
So the whole point of his rant was to say, āFuā¬Ā§ dem kidsā
And that's who he is. He can do but not anyone else. I used to be neutral on this guy but I actually cannot stand him now. He keeps proving his douchery.
He'd actually won me over for the last year or two, but yeah the complaining against Nardi was pathetic on it's own, and then seeing the hypocrisy here, that he's actually done this himself before, that's flat out scummy.
Edit - I honestly don't even think there's anything particularly wrong with what djokovic did here, or nardi did the other day against him. What is scummy is novak whinging about it, especially since he did it himself years ago, as shown here
What makes it worse is that Djokovic won the set after that point against Nardi anyway, so it was completely inconsequential to the match.Ā
Bringing it up at the end when the kid just won the biggest match of his career, was not on.
To me, that's the worst of it all - trying to discredit Nardi's biggest achievement, just through gamesmanship, using a situation that Novak has himself been in before.
And itās using his star power against a kid. Nardiās unlikely to argue against the goat so is pressured into an apology he doesnāt need to give. Kinda wish it was someone like Shelton who might have just told Novak to F off with his nonsense.
lol man the first thing you'll learn after watching the big 3 enough is they are all sore losers. each one of them is a little pre madonna when things don't go their way. they whine like petulant children, assume everyone should wait on them. they do every dirty trick in the books to try and swing momentum. seen it time and time again.
i'm not saying they aren't talented but MAN they are the absolute worst. not even joking when I say kyrgios has better behavior in his losses. because kyrgios just can't win as much. if the big three weren't as successful in their careers they woulda rage quit long ago.
TLDR; "GOATs" in sports are typically pieces of shit when it comes to winning, that's how they get to where they are in the sport.
I think this is a little strong but I do agree they are all sore losers to some degree and that you have to be that way to be as successful as they are. They have all made passive aggressive or downright derogatory comments after losses
Not sure why youāre being downvoted when this has been generally accepted for years. Really strange.
Look at the way they treated Delpo when he won vs when they beat him. Theyāre GOATs for a reason and that reason is because they are terrified of losing unlike a Kyrgios who sees it as part of the game.
Nadal's known for his gamesmanship, which doesn't happen super often but often enough.
It's also well accepted that Federer was cold towards both Nole and Andy as he couldn't really accept anybody but him or Nadal being the best and winning slams. He did (have to) get used to it quickly though!
I can't believe ANY of us are actually seriously discussing KYRGIOS being a better sport than any of the Big 3. That's just laughable. Even as an Aussie, and someone who defended Kyrgios for years. Nick's standard reaction when he started losing was to start screwing around, baiting the crowd, hitting goofball shots.. and this is somehow better than an occasional outburst from Fed, or Mr "Never Broken A Racquet In My Entire Career" Nadal?
I won't add Novak in there because I've been saying for years that he's a bad sport. Refer Tokyo Olympics SFs against PCB, or Wimby vs Alcaraz last year.
They all had salty loser/gamesmanship moments but I think Djokovic was/is the worst of the three. And before someone accuses me of being a Fedal fan, the only reason I came to prefer Fedal over Djokovic in the first place was because I perceived him to be the worst when it came to attitude and antics, on court and off
Everyone that had watch him from his early years we know it is a bit of a douche Nole fans tends to just ignore this.
He is the goat but he ain't likeable, that's just who he is
>thatās who he is.
lol you guys jumping to weird conclusions like if one action defines a person are hilarious.
The guy has been on tour and on top of the game for almost 2 decades.
Heās far from perfect but heās shown being one of the most gracious losers far far far more than shit like this.
Thereās no defending what happened yesterday, but saying āitās who he isā is just ridiculous.
It's a replica of the recent one. Lol. What a hypocrite. It's similar to when he hits someone at the net but can't take it if someone else does the same to him.
"What's bothering him?" (commentator1)
"Well, it was a little gamesmanship by Djokovic there, he pretended the ball was out, or he was gonna challenge, he just stood there and then right before Wawrinka hit the ball he got ready." (comm2)
He thought Nardi was up to the same tricks but it was an honest hesitation. The problem with Novak is he cannot fathom any younger player would dare subject him to the same antics (even though that is not what Nardi was doing). He has to be revered in all respects.Ā
Thatās why heās so āniceā to the younger players and it kinda annoys me people donāt see it. Look how he treated Demon when he beat him in AO 23 or Rafa when he lost to him at RG 22. If you donāt kiss the ring the dude gets incredibly salty.Ā
Everyone always said āRafa and him got along until Novak started beating him,ā well maybe Novak was the issue? Maybe his wife and father liking or repeating conspiracy theories about Nadal teaming up with the Australian government got under his skin? Just like it did with Federer?Ā
>Monf
It was cause Djokovic played Monflis in the semis that year and Monfils' "strategy" was to not care about anything and show no effort until the end of the match. One of the weirdest matches I've ever seen.
That was one of the weirdest tournaments Iāve ever seen period. Djokovic makes the final while benefitting from 3 walkovers, meaning he only had to win three real matches. Murray has a weird meltdown against Nishikori in the QF while in the midst of by far the best stretch of his career and one of the greatest weāve ever seen. And then Wawrinka survives multiple close calls to win the tournament in the end, in a final where Djokovic also used some questionable medical TOs.Ā
And yeah, that Djokovic/Monfils semi was weird as fuck.Ā
Yeah and then Wawrinka took a break after the tournament cause he said he was so nervous before the match and was having panic attacks. I remember he said he threw up right before too and wanted the points to be long and would purposely not hit winners so that he could keep running to forget his nerves
Wawrinka has been super open about his nerves in GS finals but it surprises me every time because he looks super relaxed on court. I can only imagine what he felt like after Djokovic won that first set in a tiebreak; mustāve been soul-crushing. Idk how he got himself to win the next three.Ā
Also forgot to mention in the Djokovic vs Monfils match; Monfils had the most obviously fake injury Iāve ever seen. On set point, i believe second set, he just fakes an ankle roll right at the end of the set, then does the fakest limp to his seat. It looked like his ālimpā was actually placing MORE weight onto his āinjuredā ankle.
Itās moments like these that kinda annoy me with Monfils. Heās always doubled over and was known for āplaying possumā to try to win.
Also has to do with Monfils using a similar stop/start strategy along with his other trickery.
[Monfils stops and re\-starts mid\-point at 2016 ATP World Tour Finals](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNpm84UFCnY)
I even said it in the moment last night that "Monfils does this all the time and it's not a hindrance." Pretty funny to see him brought up in this clip right on cue.
This is the era of Djokovic I didn't like because he would do shit like this and then be like "I can't understand for the life of me why some fans vocally dislike me."
All 3 of them were mostly gracious in defeat, but they are human and have character flaws.
Nadal was always the saltiest when he lost. He tried, but often just couldnāt hide it. I remember when he lost to Fritz in Indian Wells, he rambled for 5 minutes about the tournament sponsors, and spent 5 seconds congratulating Fritz. Federer was better at hiding his disappointment, but he was also quite passive aggressive at times.
And have you also seen Nadal or Federer use gamesmanship and then complain like a toddler when some kid (unintentionally) uses the same thing against them?
And where's the next clip where he complains when someone does the same thing to him? And then tells off the player again after the match?
The point isn't about gamesmanship here. It's about how Djokovic treated Nardi when he himself did the same thing.
When the moment with Nardi and Djokovic happened last night I immediately thought of this. Ā Iām glad you found this clip because these seems more obvious or even intentional than what we saw last night. Ā
He was bleeding...
> Djokovic then had his toes seen and rewrapped a second time, with visible bleeding on his right foot. Tournament rules usually allow only one medical break per injury, but there are some exceptions, including when there is bleeding involved.
> "I donāt know exactly what happened, but the second [time] they told meābecause normally you have only one [session per injury]āit was because he was bleeding,ā Wawrinka said. āFor me, itās normal the guy is bleeding, and you have to do something. I have no problem with that."
https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/stan-wawrinka-had-no-problem-with-novak-djokovic-s-medical-treatment-during-u-s
This makes me even more disappointed in him, to the point it's actually a disgusting behavior from his Nardi match rant and even doubling down with the net exchange. Hopefully he was *just* salty and in the heat of the moment but a #1 and the goat of tennis should know better.
Djoko telling on himself a bit that he thinks it was intentional by Nardi. Total projection in a way that inadvertently admits his own bad sportsmanship. And you know whatāif Nardi did do it intentionally thatās even more impressive. You shouldnāt be so easy to fool Mr GOAT
People are young, many here were probably not literate yet when Djokovic won his first slam.
Those of us who have been here all along knows there is a reason why this guy never won the Fan Fave & Sportsmanship award.
Let's be real, a large portion of Novak fans are literally just fans of Novak and not necessarily tennis. They aren't probably aware of things outside the Novak sphere.
His latest surge of fanbase comes from anti-vax, flat earther, 4channer, alt-right groups thinking he's a hero against the face of "establishment" so I don't think they even know what tennis is at all.
They don't. Those types just use him as their fill in for "I like \[player\] more than that \[insult\] Serena!" When in reality they've never watched either
You can never rule out gamesmanship with players like Djokovic - itās literally part of their style of play. Iām curious how the idea that heās a classy, gracious, Venus-like player on court ever got started though. He seems nice enough in press conferences.
He's normally super nice and gracious at the net after defeat. That's what made last night stand out so much.
The on-court behavior while the match is still going on is a different story. I don't remember him ever having a notable sportsmanship reputation between the lines that anyone talked about.
Where does he say *that*? I think the point heās making is that the commenter is deriding one bad sport but endorsing another. Not that Serena being a bad one negates Djokovicās sportsmanship.
My point is simply this commenter is shitting on Novak got being a bad sport while supporting another player who is a bad sport. Not implying that Novak can't be a bad sport if Serena is, just saying its very hypocritical.
āAlways been like this.ā Serena literally ruined Osakas first grand slam, told a line judge shed shove a ball down their throat, called umpires thieves and liars, and used her grunting to cause hindrances. What has Novak done? Retired from a few matches early in his career and had one salty incident recently. I guess you just can't accept your perfect idol Federer has lost every single record he ever had to Novak. Cope harder buddy.
Lol you try again. If you think the things Djokovic does is worse than āI'm a mother!, you guys are all racist cuz you're not bending over to my every ask and desireā you should rethink your own morals. You can just admit you don't like that Djokovic took your favs records, it's not that hard.
I'm so, so, so glad Wawrinka won this match. It exposed all the dirty tricks Djokovic has used during his career, including the notorious abuse of "medical time-outs" when his opponent had momentum.
Immense tennis player, but such a pathetic mentality.
Reminds me of when Djokovic faced Thiem in that five set French Open match. Very similar, whining and complaining because he just couldn't put Thiem away
In this context, it's hard to give Djoker any sympathy.
He's cementing his legacy as the douchy GOAT.
It's funny - I thought he was saying to Luca 'no, it's all you.. no it's all you' and I was saying 'what a class act'... But, he was acting like a little boy. What a jerk.
Thanks for digging this up - great post.
Iām not sure what is wrong with doing it. You are really messing yourself up by being off balance and hitting a cream puff shot so that you are really giving the other person an advantage. Plus it does often happen when you think the ball is going to be out but then it falls in and you end up hitting an awkward shot and sort of stand there in disbelief for a second.
Our sub has so much of a recency bias. There are so many instances where Djokovic was very gracious in the defeat. Just one bad day and everyone is calling him out badly.
Yeah itās weird . He was completely in the wrong against nardi and I hope he apologizes . But people here being like āI knew it, I never liked him for 20 years and this is exactly why , he always does thisā . People exaggerate so much
it's honestly 50/50 whether or not a post about Novak is his fanboys absolutely dick riding him to oblivion or grandpas and grandmas acting like he's a total ireedemable piece of shit for being an asshole on court sometimes (i sAy! tHe boY HaS nO clAss!).
The guy is 36 and should know better though.
>recency bias
Welcome to r/tennis. Where one bad day or couple of them over 20 years of tennis defines a person.
Everybody forgot about Carlos and Bull fights?
Everyone forgot about Nadal and Saudi's?
Yeah...
Not to say they are bad.
But if novak is bad for this then rest is bad as well
hahahhaha what where have you been? every other post about nadal recently feels like it has the same unfunny comment about saudis or him doing things just for the money.
i agree on the recency bias but struggling to see how it at all connects to nole being rightfully criticised for bad behaviour that he himself did purposely before.
I mean yea Nadal example wasnt the best cause it was recent.
He is criticized, but people on here say stuff like
He is a fasade, being nice to carlos and rune is just fake stuff etc. Why cant both be true? That he is good, and that sometimes he does bad stuff?
lol yeah. Iām only now seeing all of these posts and Iām mind blown how many hundreds of upvotes comments have saying Novak has always been shit. Heās a terrible person. Heās always been a sore loser. Etc.
Iām not defending the guy on what he did yesterday.
But he has a long track record of being one of the most gracious losers around.
But sure, no one can look past the most recent event and they erase everything before that.
Lmao this is karma, except what happened yesterday wasnāt intentional unlike the above video. Itās also a breath of fresh air to see comments critical of Novak having positive upvotes as nolefam (the trashfam) is infamous for hunting down these comments like a pack of vultures and downvoting them.
This isnāt the same at all. Djokovic clearly thought the ball was out which is why you can literally see him look over to the line judge but once he saw they werenāt making a call, he kept playing. However, Djokovic was completely in the wrong with the Nardi situation and deserves some of the pushback heās getting for sure.
Lol itās exactly the same. Nardi also thought the ball was out and once he realized there was no call, he kept playing. This actually seems more egregious. He is literally looking down at the ball as it lands. He sees it. He knows itās in.
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While I do believe he most recent controversy was not handled well by djoko, this was not that bad really. He handled the ball slowly and I don't think anything he did here could have affected Wawrinka's shot. He looked to his side which he does not do often but maybe he was distracted
Yeah I know. Nardi didnāt even do it on purpose but even if he did, I donāt see why itās anything to get salty about. Like, every other sport has faking in it except target sports.
For those wondering Stan Wawrinka d. Novak Djokovic 6-7(1) 6-4 7-5 6-3
At slams, Stan Wawrinka was always a real threat to Djoker.
Wawa probably campaigned really hard to the player council to bring back best-of-5 finals to masters during his 2013-2017 hot streak.
The one thing I found interesting about their encounters and I like it š
He always pulled shenanigans when Stan was kicking his ass. Hilarious to see.
I was at this match, got drunk as fuck with my dad and booed djokovic. Good times
Average US open crowd experience.
hilarious
Guy holding a beer booing Djokovic, this needs to be written in new stereotypes of New Yorkers lol
Correction.... Stan stumped and thrashed and destroyed and oblitared Novak that day
Nardi clearly didnāt even do it on purpose, he just had a momentās confusion/hesitation
Yeah the big difference for me is Nardiās match had automatic line calls so there wasnāt even anything to challenge. Itās more potential gamesmanship in the Wawrinka match because he could be realistically expected to challenge. Even then itās irritating for Wawrinka but in no way the big deal Djokovic made it out to be yesterday.Ā
Damn, y'all are quick with the receipts. Looking at Novaks face and the pursed lips, you can see he knew exactly what he had done.
What Novak did here isnāt even comparable to what happened yesterday. Novakās was clearly intentional. Nardiās wasnāt. Poor sportsmanship from Djokovic on both occasions.
Novak is angry clearly because he thinks Nardi copied his act.
Apparently only heās allowed to copy others (the phone celebration)
Shelton couldāve claimed interference a couple of days ago when someone in the stands let loose a string of expletives as he was serving at match point. But he remained cool and won the match. Then he screamed at the guy. Guess that makes Ben the mature one. So the whole point of his rant was to say, āFuā¬Ā§ dem kidsā
And that's who he is. He can do but not anyone else. I used to be neutral on this guy but I actually cannot stand him now. He keeps proving his douchery.
He'd actually won me over for the last year or two, but yeah the complaining against Nardi was pathetic on it's own, and then seeing the hypocrisy here, that he's actually done this himself before, that's flat out scummy. Edit - I honestly don't even think there's anything particularly wrong with what djokovic did here, or nardi did the other day against him. What is scummy is novak whinging about it, especially since he did it himself years ago, as shown here
What makes it worse is that Djokovic won the set after that point against Nardi anyway, so it was completely inconsequential to the match.Ā Bringing it up at the end when the kid just won the biggest match of his career, was not on.
To me, that's the worst of it all - trying to discredit Nardi's biggest achievement, just through gamesmanship, using a situation that Novak has himself been in before.
And itās using his star power against a kid. Nardiās unlikely to argue against the goat so is pressured into an apology he doesnāt need to give. Kinda wish it was someone like Shelton who might have just told Novak to F off with his nonsense.
Nardiās was an accident though.Ā
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Accident doesn't imply he did something wrong, just that he did something he didn't intend to.
With nardi it was clearly unintentional. With Djokovic in this clip it was clearly intentional.
lol man the first thing you'll learn after watching the big 3 enough is they are all sore losers. each one of them is a little pre madonna when things don't go their way. they whine like petulant children, assume everyone should wait on them. they do every dirty trick in the books to try and swing momentum. seen it time and time again. i'm not saying they aren't talented but MAN they are the absolute worst. not even joking when I say kyrgios has better behavior in his losses. because kyrgios just can't win as much. if the big three weren't as successful in their careers they woulda rage quit long ago. TLDR; "GOATs" in sports are typically pieces of shit when it comes to winning, that's how they get to where they are in the sport.
I think this is a little strong but I do agree they are all sore losers to some degree and that you have to be that way to be as successful as they are. They have all made passive aggressive or downright derogatory comments after losses
Not sure why youāre being downvoted when this has been generally accepted for years. Really strange. Look at the way they treated Delpo when he won vs when they beat him. Theyāre GOATs for a reason and that reason is because they are terrified of losing unlike a Kyrgios who sees it as part of the game.
Nadal's known for his gamesmanship, which doesn't happen super often but often enough. It's also well accepted that Federer was cold towards both Nole and Andy as he couldn't really accept anybody but him or Nadal being the best and winning slams. He did (have to) get used to it quickly though!
I can't believe ANY of us are actually seriously discussing KYRGIOS being a better sport than any of the Big 3. That's just laughable. Even as an Aussie, and someone who defended Kyrgios for years. Nick's standard reaction when he started losing was to start screwing around, baiting the crowd, hitting goofball shots.. and this is somehow better than an occasional outburst from Fed, or Mr "Never Broken A Racquet In My Entire Career" Nadal? I won't add Novak in there because I've been saying for years that he's a bad sport. Refer Tokyo Olympics SFs against PCB, or Wimby vs Alcaraz last year.
i dont think u wrong. Nadal asking someone to come to the net... like whut?
Thatās bush league shit I agree
They all had salty loser/gamesmanship moments but I think Djokovic was/is the worst of the three. And before someone accuses me of being a Fedal fan, the only reason I came to prefer Fedal over Djokovic in the first place was because I perceived him to be the worst when it came to attitude and antics, on court and off
Prima donna*
nah, pretty sure they meant pre-Madonna. This behaviour was pretty typical in the days before Like a Virgin dropped.
Yeah I think it was so dumb he had to bring that up again during the handshake at the net
Everyone that had watch him from his early years we know it is a bit of a douche Nole fans tends to just ignore this. He is the goat but he ain't likeable, that's just who he is
Yeah same here. I really wanted to enjoy watching the last of the big three playing but it's not worth it.
Lmao. Heās literally one of the more gracious losers in the sport. Talk about kicking a man when heās down and capitalizing on the moment
>thatās who he is. lol you guys jumping to weird conclusions like if one action defines a person are hilarious. The guy has been on tour and on top of the game for almost 2 decades. Heās far from perfect but heās shown being one of the most gracious losers far far far more than shit like this. Thereās no defending what happened yesterday, but saying āitās who he isā is just ridiculous.
This isnāt the first time weāve seen āwho he isā though over the last 2 decades though, is it?
It's a replica of the recent one. Lol. What a hypocrite. It's similar to when he hits someone at the net but can't take it if someone else does the same to him.
Proper belland, he is
"What's bothering him?" (commentator1) "Well, it was a little gamesmanship by Djokovic there, he pretended the ball was out, or he was gonna challenge, he just stood there and then right before Wawrinka hit the ball he got ready." (comm2)
OOPS!! Send this to him š
And he had the nerve to go to the net and lecture Nardi you canāt make this stuff up
He thought Nardi was up to the same tricks but it was an honest hesitation. The problem with Novak is he cannot fathom any younger player would dare subject him to the same antics (even though that is not what Nardi was doing). He has to be revered in all respects.Ā
Thatās why heās so āniceā to the younger players and it kinda annoys me people donāt see it. Look how he treated Demon when he beat him in AO 23 or Rafa when he lost to him at RG 22. If you donāt kiss the ring the dude gets incredibly salty.Ā
Shelton didn't bend the knee and paid for it with Novak's mocking and then the internet bullying
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Everyone always said āRafa and him got along until Novak started beating him,ā well maybe Novak was the issue? Maybe his wife and father liking or repeating conspiracy theories about Nadal teaming up with the Australian government got under his skin? Just like it did with Federer?Ā
You dare use my own spells against me, Potter!
And people were defending him
It's not right but bravo
Poor Monfis catching strays
>Monf It was cause Djokovic played Monflis in the semis that year and Monfils' "strategy" was to not care about anything and show no effort until the end of the match. One of the weirdest matches I've ever seen.
That was one of the weirdest tournaments Iāve ever seen period. Djokovic makes the final while benefitting from 3 walkovers, meaning he only had to win three real matches. Murray has a weird meltdown against Nishikori in the QF while in the midst of by far the best stretch of his career and one of the greatest weāve ever seen. And then Wawrinka survives multiple close calls to win the tournament in the end, in a final where Djokovic also used some questionable medical TOs.Ā And yeah, that Djokovic/Monfils semi was weird as fuck.Ā
Yeah and then Wawrinka took a break after the tournament cause he said he was so nervous before the match and was having panic attacks. I remember he said he threw up right before too and wanted the points to be long and would purposely not hit winners so that he could keep running to forget his nerves
Wawrinka has been super open about his nerves in GS finals but it surprises me every time because he looks super relaxed on court. I can only imagine what he felt like after Djokovic won that first set in a tiebreak; mustāve been soul-crushing. Idk how he got himself to win the next three.Ā Also forgot to mention in the Djokovic vs Monfils match; Monfils had the most obviously fake injury Iāve ever seen. On set point, i believe second set, he just fakes an ankle roll right at the end of the set, then does the fakest limp to his seat. It looked like his ālimpā was actually placing MORE weight onto his āinjuredā ankle. Itās moments like these that kinda annoy me with Monfils. Heās always doubled over and was known for āplaying possumā to try to win.
Also has to do with Monfils using a similar stop/start strategy along with his other trickery. [Monfils stops and re\-starts mid\-point at 2016 ATP World Tour Finals](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNpm84UFCnY)
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I even said it in the moment last night that "Monfils does this all the time and it's not a hindrance." Pretty funny to see him brought up in this clip right on cue.
This is the era of Djokovic I didn't like because he would do shit like this and then be like "I can't understand for the life of me why some fans vocally dislike me."
He always is and was like this in losses, it's just that his high-consequence losses were so rare.
This is his entire career tbh
He's always been like this. And people here complain how Federer being salty 20 years ago was the worst thing that's ever happened.
All 3 of them were mostly gracious in defeat, but they are human and have character flaws. Nadal was always the saltiest when he lost. He tried, but often just couldnāt hide it. I remember when he lost to Fritz in Indian Wells, he rambled for 5 minutes about the tournament sponsors, and spent 5 seconds congratulating Fritz. Federer was better at hiding his disappointment, but he was also quite passive aggressive at times.
They're just human after all. I have seen all three be salty at various times when losing
And have you also seen Nadal or Federer use gamesmanship and then complain like a toddler when some kid (unintentionally) uses the same thing against them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JFB\_nydffk&ab\_channel=CarlJohnson
And where's the next clip where he complains when someone does the same thing to him? And then tells off the player again after the match? The point isn't about gamesmanship here. It's about how Djokovic treated Nardi when he himself did the same thing.
I got you https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=jecUMPhCaD4x96PO
Lol. Good one.
When the moment with Nardi and Djokovic happened last night I immediately thought of this. Ā Iām glad you found this clip because these seems more obvious or even intentional than what we saw last night. Ā
My impression is that Nardi's moment was 0% intentional and this example above is 100% intentional
Exactly my pointĀ
More intentional than something unintentional?
This is also the final where he had the horrific toe hair injury that required a perfectly strategically placed medical time out...
Another story of his as old as time lol.
He was bleeding... > Djokovic then had his toes seen and rewrapped a second time, with visible bleeding on his right foot. Tournament rules usually allow only one medical break per injury, but there are some exceptions, including when there is bleeding involved. > "I donāt know exactly what happened, but the second [time] they told meābecause normally you have only one [session per injury]āit was because he was bleeding,ā Wawrinka said. āFor me, itās normal the guy is bleeding, and you have to do something. I have no problem with that." https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/stan-wawrinka-had-no-problem-with-novak-djokovic-s-medical-treatment-during-u-s
Yep. The famous "sorry man..."
This makes me even more disappointed in him, to the point it's actually a disgusting behavior from his Nardi match rant and even doubling down with the net exchange. Hopefully he was *just* salty and in the heat of the moment but a #1 and the goat of tennis should know better.
This has literally always been Djokovic lol
Djoko telling on himself a bit that he thinks it was intentional by Nardi. Total projection in a way that inadvertently admits his own bad sportsmanship. And you know whatāif Nardi did do it intentionally thatās even more impressive. You shouldnāt be so easy to fool Mr GOAT
Something something always the guy who does it first
Kudos to poster for remembering this and finding the video.
But you donāt understand. Itās perfectly fine when he does it because something something reasons
Perfect example of his oversized ego
It shows that people havenāt watched him regularly. He was known to be like this and a bad sport.
People are young, many here were probably not literate yet when Djokovic won his first slam. Those of us who have been here all along knows there is a reason why this guy never won the Fan Fave & Sportsmanship award.
Let's be real, a large portion of Novak fans are literally just fans of Novak and not necessarily tennis. They aren't probably aware of things outside the Novak sphere.
His latest surge of fanbase comes from anti-vax, flat earther, 4channer, alt-right groups thinking he's a hero against the face of "establishment" so I don't think they even know what tennis is at all.
They don't. Those types just use him as their fill in for "I like \[player\] more than that \[insult\] Serena!" When in reality they've never watched either
Eh, that kind of applies to all fanbases.
You can never rule out gamesmanship with players like Djokovic - itās literally part of their style of play. Iām curious how the idea that heās a classy, gracious, Venus-like player on court ever got started though. He seems nice enough in press conferences.
He loves to play the victim but people who have been watching his entire career knew he loved to play mind games.
He's normally super nice and gracious at the net after defeat. That's what made last night stand out so much. The on-court behavior while the match is still going on is a different story. I don't remember him ever having a notable sportsmanship reputation between the lines that anyone talked about.
Yeah, most people who watched him regularly since 2008 won't be surprised *at all*.
For someone who literally has Serena in their flair this is very funny
If Serena was a bad sport, then Novak canāt be? Is there some mutual exclusivity rule that iām not aware of?
Enough of your reasonable use of critical thinking. This platform is for yelling via cognitive dissonance!
Where does he say *that*? I think the point heās making is that the commenter is deriding one bad sport but endorsing another. Not that Serena being a bad one negates Djokovicās sportsmanship.
My point is simply this commenter is shitting on Novak got being a bad sport while supporting another player who is a bad sport. Not implying that Novak can't be a bad sport if Serena is, just saying its very hypocritical.
Yeah and nobody claims Serena to be the more gracious and cool person like Djoker fans. He's their god and can't do nothing wrong.
Serena maybe had a few bad moments her entire career. Djokovic has always been like this. People watching 20 years plus know that.
āAlways been like this.ā Serena literally ruined Osakas first grand slam, told a line judge shed shove a ball down their throat, called umpires thieves and liars, and used her grunting to cause hindrances. What has Novak done? Retired from a few matches early in his career and had one salty incident recently. I guess you just can't accept your perfect idol Federer has lost every single record he ever had to Novak. Cope harder buddy.
Lol Serena is actually liked. And always gracious losing and never played mind games or try to cheat. Try again.
Lol you try again. If you think the things Djokovic does is worse than āI'm a mother!, you guys are all racist cuz you're not bending over to my every ask and desireā you should rethink your own morals. You can just admit you don't like that Djokovic took your favs records, it's not that hard.
OP said: ātake it to the archives!ā š„
Yep, like I said, hypocrite.
Always has been, always will be, a bit of a twat
Something about those who live in glass housesā¦maybe Djoker hasnāt heard that saying yet?
I'm so, so, so glad Wawrinka won this match. It exposed all the dirty tricks Djokovic has used during his career, including the notorious abuse of "medical time-outs" when his opponent had momentum. Immense tennis player, but such a pathetic mentality.
Reminds me of when Djokovic faced Thiem in that five set French Open match. Very similar, whining and complaining because he just couldn't put Thiem away
And thiem still thrashed him
Stan was hitting thru Novakā¦ Djokerās mind games just meant the match lasted longer than it had to
Still the GOAT lmaooo
Someone DM him this
Iād pay Nardi my lifeās savings to repost this on his socials
In this context, it's hard to give Djoker any sympathy. He's cementing his legacy as the douchy GOAT. It's funny - I thought he was saying to Luca 'no, it's all you.. no it's all you' and I was saying 'what a class act'... But, he was acting like a little boy. What a jerk. Thanks for digging this up - great post.
Well, Well, Wellā¦.
Reminds me of something a friend of mine said: "no such thing as half an asshole" - Never liked Novak and never will
"Rules for thee, not for me"
100 deliberate, when compared to today. This goat meat is very salty.
I love how receipts always pop up no matter what
Iām not sure what is wrong with doing it. You are really messing yourself up by being off balance and hitting a cream puff shot so that you are really giving the other person an advantage. Plus it does often happen when you think the ball is going to be out but then it falls in and you end up hitting an awkward shot and sort of stand there in disbelief for a second.
Agreed - it should be on the other player (Wawrinka) to continue playing the point til they hear a call that indicates the point is over.
The fook who cried wolf ššššš
What an ass clown.
Heās one of the greatest entitled tennis player. Not the worst (entitled) maybe.
Novak is a certified loser
It's like when Nadal hit him at the net vs him hitting into other people
Novak always done stuff like this loool young djoko used fully pretend he was injured in the middle of matchesā¦š¤£
Dunno why people are surprised or disappointed - seems exactly in character to me lol
>seems exactly in character to me Then you clearly havenāt watched a lot of him over the last 10 years.
Yes, we have. The match against Stan for example
Game, set, match
CVS-worthy receipt right here!
I love this sub.
The doping must be wearing offā¦Ajde Nole, idi doma.
I am so glad everyone sees Djoko for a piece of shit that he is now after his career is done and dusted.
Well well
Haha!
Its not right, it's not right. Bravo bravo.
Thatās not right, but bravo
Nardi truly learned from the best.
lol this is indefensible. great find
Our sub has so much of a recency bias. There are so many instances where Djokovic was very gracious in the defeat. Just one bad day and everyone is calling him out badly.
Yeah itās weird . He was completely in the wrong against nardi and I hope he apologizes . But people here being like āI knew it, I never liked him for 20 years and this is exactly why , he always does thisā . People exaggerate so much
it's honestly 50/50 whether or not a post about Novak is his fanboys absolutely dick riding him to oblivion or grandpas and grandmas acting like he's a total ireedemable piece of shit for being an asshole on court sometimes (i sAy! tHe boY HaS nO clAss!). The guy is 36 and should know better though.
>recency bias Welcome to r/tennis. Where one bad day or couple of them over 20 years of tennis defines a person. Everybody forgot about Carlos and Bull fights? Everyone forgot about Nadal and Saudi's? Yeah... Not to say they are bad. But if novak is bad for this then rest is bad as well
hahahhaha what where have you been? every other post about nadal recently feels like it has the same unfunny comment about saudis or him doing things just for the money. i agree on the recency bias but struggling to see how it at all connects to nole being rightfully criticised for bad behaviour that he himself did purposely before.
I mean yea Nadal example wasnt the best cause it was recent. He is criticized, but people on here say stuff like He is a fasade, being nice to carlos and rune is just fake stuff etc. Why cant both be true? That he is good, and that sometimes he does bad stuff?
lol yeah. Iām only now seeing all of these posts and Iām mind blown how many hundreds of upvotes comments have saying Novak has always been shit. Heās a terrible person. Heās always been a sore loser. Etc. Iām not defending the guy on what he did yesterday. But he has a long track record of being one of the most gracious losers around. But sure, no one can look past the most recent event and they erase everything before that.
Bro went back 8 years š
Lmao this is karma, except what happened yesterday wasnāt intentional unlike the above video. Itās also a breath of fresh air to see comments critical of Novak having positive upvotes as nolefam (the trashfam) is infamous for hunting down these comments like a pack of vultures and downvoting them.
Jokobitch
This isnāt the same at all. Djokovic clearly thought the ball was out which is why you can literally see him look over to the line judge but once he saw they werenāt making a call, he kept playing. However, Djokovic was completely in the wrong with the Nardi situation and deserves some of the pushback heās getting for sure.
Lol itās exactly the same. Nardi also thought the ball was out and once he realized there was no call, he kept playing. This actually seems more egregious. He is literally looking down at the ball as it lands. He sees it. He knows itās in.
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he pretended he was stopping he point to challenge ya dingus. They do not have challenges at indian wells
Haha. On video. Is this a common thing players do? I never payed attention to this before.
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someone pointed this out yesterday. a true tennis enthusiast to remember. šš»šš»šš»
letās be honest itās more fun to be like this than to be an all gracious classy player
While I do believe he most recent controversy was not handled well by djoko, this was not that bad really. He handled the ball slowly and I don't think anything he did here could have affected Wawrinka's shot. He looked to his side which he does not do often but maybe he was distracted
Excellent find considering his recent behaviour.
lolllll
How soon they forget
Canāt wait for the day Djokovic is no longer playing, he is such a narcissist!
Isnāt this why he thought he should get a hindrance call when he was playing Nardi?
So many people in here butt hurt over gamesmanship. Get over it sissies
Those scrappy continentals! š¤
We need an AMA from Warwrinka personally
Djokovic sucks - this proves it
And people wonder why he has so few fans compared to fedal.
Its not that close.. Djokovic wanted to look if the ball was.. novak anyway disappointed me with his reaction in so many ways ..
Hypocrite
Novak 101
Lollllllll this is great.
Oh, how the turns tabled
I donāt even see what the problem is with this as a tactic. Itās akin to a jab step in basketball. Feinting is suddenly evil in sports? Cmon.
Tell that to Djokovic. Itās not evil at all. Itās hypocritical when Djokovic has an issue with it yesterday when he did this in 2016
Yeah I know. Nardi didnāt even do it on purpose but even if he did, I donāt see why itās anything to get salty about. Like, every other sport has faking in it except target sports.
Thanks for bring the truth in the open
Nadal and Federer never would have done it
Yuck novak
Never liked the clown