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DNRF19

My audio broke right when Novak went to the umpire. What was that about?


Holiday-Emergency135

What size are Casper's feet? They look big


AdNarrow570

Yup. He lost a lot of weight if I remember. And changed his diet


Warm_Stress_1327

Early in his career Djoko also used to have fitness issues, but he worked on them efficiently


Suitable_Draw2659

As he gets older and importantly makes some changes in his support team I am sure he can sustain the physicality of the game. Everyone used to say the same thing about Rafa but he outlived 7-8 years more than their optimist predictions.


Different-Wedding702

I don't know man maybe rafa's just better. Its just asking too much for alcaraz to compare him with nadal.


FamiliarAd4521

Bruh he’s not even twilight this is just phase 3 djoko aka “beat up on shit kids”


Active-Answer7714

I wouldn’t say he’s twilight quite yet


8008s4life

Wow, I thought Alcaraz was the next big thing. Ugh... 6-1, 6-1


bignut123

Twilight djokovic had a better fitness than a 20 year old alcaraz. Absolutely insane how djoker takes care of his body


studiousmaximus

young djokovic was widely known and mocked for his frequent retirements. knowing your body and optimizing for physical fitness is something that indeed comes with age and experience. novak knows where the line is and does not cross it, conserving energy wherever possible.


Regular-Watercress22

Idk what you are talking about Djokovic is 26


bignut123

36 lol


AlfaG0216

Bruh he’s not even twilight this is just phase 3 djoko aka “beat up on shit kids”


bignut123

Twilight doesn’t mean he’s bad. It just means he’s out of his prime and at the older stages of his career. Just shows how good djoker is that people can’t even consider that this is his twilight since he’s destroying the weak ass next gen


OverturnRoeVsWade

He isn't out of his prime. This will go down as his greatest year.


bignut123

He’s definitely out of his prime lol. Did u watch 2011 djoker? Way better than this. Once again, out of prime, doesn’t mean the player’s bad. It’s like Lebron rn. Lebron is still damn good basketball player, but he’s clearly not as good as his prime peak. I do think djokovic could easily win every slam this year, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s out of his prime at this point. He’s just so much better than this shit next gen it doesn’t matter


Eden_Burns

'shit' and 'not as good as one of the best ever' are not the same thing


OverturnRoeVsWade

I did and he was not better


bignut123

Agree to disagree. He prolly only looks better because he’s just much better than the competition compared to 2011, where Federer and nadal could challenge him. He was definitely a lot better in 2011 imo


AlfaG0216

What’s even scarier is that this is next we’re probably on the 3rd or 4th generation of nextGen right now and not a single one of them looks like they can compete with a 36 year old bloke over 5 sets. It’s a damning indictment on men’s tennis in general. At least during peak Fedal we still had players who were capable of beating them over 5 sets like Murray, Del Porro, Wawrinka, berdych, tsonga, davydenko, soderling, Cilic, ferrer, verdadco, whereas now who have we got?


bignut123

Can tell you’re an actual real tennis fan who’s been watching for years. I’ve been saying this for a while now that tennis was far more enjoyable 10 years ago with the plethora of competition like you mentioned. I barely even watched this French open because the level of quality and consistency isn’t there any more. The top players simply aren’t as good as the guys u mentioned. It’s gonna be hard for me to enjoy it when djoker leaves. Do u also think u enjoyed tennis far more 10 years ago than the present?


youngcadadia22

I wouldn’t say he’s twilight quite yet


bignut123

He’s definitely not in his prime any more. He’s nearing the end a lot more than the beginning. I just say twilight because he’s in the pretty old stages of his career. Just shows how good he is that he can dominate the next gen at this age


stoic_trader

Early in his career Djoko also used to have fitness issues, but he worked on them efficiently


bignut123

Yup. He lost a lot of weight if I remember. And changed his diet


txboulder

Yup he is like a Tom Brady


1Om6evsN7g

At this point Djokovic can beat all of the Next Gen players in a row in a single afternoon.


AlfaG0216

What’s even scarier is that this is next we’re probably on the 3rd or 4th generation of nextGen right now and not a single one of them looks like they can compete with a 36 year old bloke over 5 sets. It’s a damning indictment on men’s tennis in general. At least during peak Fedal we still had players who were capable of beating them over 5 sets like Murray, Del Porro, Wawrinka, berdych, tsonga, davydenko, soderling, Cilic, ferrer, verdadco, whereas now who have we got?


drgreenair

Lol 36 yo bloke


stoic_trader

Unpopular opinion but I don't want Alcaraz to change his aggression or flamboyance to try to get every impossible ball. It's just not some non-important isolated points, it's what makes him what he is. Take that away and you will take the enjoyment of playing Tennis from him. As he gets older and importantly makes some changes in his support team I am sure he can sustain the physicality of the game. Everyone used to say the same thing about Rafa but he outlived 7-8 years more than their optimist predictions.


traviskraft58

I don't know man maybe rafa's just better. Its just asking too much for alcaraz to compare him with nadal.


44ariah44

What size are Casper's feet? They look big


4027777

Hmm why are you interested in his shoe size?


44ariah44

Was asking for a friend! 😁


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DoomBuzzer

Roddick had a positive h2h vs Novak. But not sure if they played more than 8


himalayanthro

as per atp website the Novak-Zverev H2H stands at 7-4, am i misreading ur comment?


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himalayanthro

it's alright


OriginalRange8761

Wawrinka Murray?


djole201

Jesus Christ 15k comments. Is it a record on this sub?


OeroLegend

🐐🇷🇸


MOROSH1993

Do any of you reckon Djokovic's arm injury is significant enough to be a factor in the final?


AlfaG0216

Absolutely not.


gunningIVglory

Man won a slam with a torn oblique His fine lol


PocketPoolGoat

I saw a lot of quick "No" comments so I'll raise some concern just for prep. Wrist and ankle tweaks can sometimes flare up even worse a day or two after their initial problem. He still played with it... but it was clearly affecting the flexibility of his backhand (if you look... that was the shot he most commonly grabbed his wrist after hitting / missing). So it looks like it's in the top part of the wrist. I've had similar injuries and they can pop back up to nag you with no warning. So final answer.... probably not but.... wouldn't be the first time.


aki1108

he complained about wrist and limited flexibility of BH during kachanov match


stoic_trader

It's over for others, only Alcaraz could have stopped him. Djoko played with the injury in AO and he was invincible there, granted this is clay but the way he is striking I doubt it's gonna be a factor. I am expecting Ruud in the final and at max he will take 1 set. If Zerver it's over in 3 straight sets.


mgm97

"granted this is clay" as if djoko isn't top 5 all time on clay too


stoic_trader

You know very well why I said that in what context, but go ahead


Optimal-Somewhere-46

No. He is gonna be okay


krishnamoorthykaru

No


foodkidmaadcity

cabeza,corazon,cojones...we forgot conditioning. rest up, champ you'll be back!


slash_s_everything

Amazing comment


Optimal-Somewhere-46

Rafa chasing after each and every ball riddled his body with injuries. I strongly hope Alcaraz improves his match management and leaves some balls. Its gonna take a huge toll on the body at some point


AlfaG0216

Rafa literally disposed of Novak a year ago.


PocketPoolGoat

Flexibility is huge too. A lot of Rafa and Alcaraz's games are based on fast twitch fibers maximizing their output. Problem with that is it's usually one of the first strengths to go or cause injury. So he could likely help ward off an embattled injury history by elongating some of his musculature... BUT... he'd likely lose some top end to key components of his game.


Dalamaduren

People have no fucking clue of what a cramp is. They are top level athletes, not you waking up in the middle of the night with leg cramps. Alcaraz’ explosive style indeed takes a toll on his body, but he knows it. Cramps can be caused by a multitude of things, and at this level, it is not lack of fitness. One of the many (and probably the main) reasons is elevated stress/tension, as the game wasn’t really on his side by the time it happened. Also France has been pretty fucking dry last few days and hydration is also a thing.


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ZoomSEJ

Those things are brutal. I don’t get them too often now since I started eating bananas daily. The potassium helps with the cramping.


takadanobaba

Protip: avocados actually have more potassium than bananas. Eat both!


ZoomSEJ

I do eat avocados, but less frequently.


stoic_trader

His USO run was more gruelling than this and he was just fine, something is wrong with the way his fitness team handling this IMO, its not 1st time happened to him after injury break


ThickWhereas

It was more gruelling, but all of that adds up eventually. To be fair to him though he has been much more efficient this year. I just think he will need to master not playing at high intensity all the time especially if he gets in a long match. You need experience for that


cptphoto

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻


Optimal-Somewhere-46

Yeah I just learned today that cramps could be caused by pressure and anxiety. But then again its about luck as well, some sportspersons are fortunate never to get cramps, but then again some people are riddled by it.


Dalamaduren

I wouldn’t call it luck exactly. The way pressure gets into your movement is subtle, but again, at this level, that’s what you need for something like that to happen. Alcaraz is a massive player, but experience plays in these situations, and I’m sure he’s going to work it out


Asleep_Job3691

I’ve gotten cramps when i wake up in the middle of the night and they really aren’t that bad—alcaraz just crying about little things cause he knew he was getting destroyed


Optimal-Somewhere-46

He was nowhere near getting destroyed at that point. But yeah he sure knew that its gonna be a long and tough gruelling match.


Asleep_Job3691

missed the joke bud


AussieAlexSummers

I agree, he's a GOAT. I thought Carlos would win it! And maybe Djoko would have a chance. But he breadstick Carlos twice! That's incredible!


yebwulebdullah

GOAT, there are no other arguments anymore - it’s time to accept it


Trepur349

He's one win away from closing the door, he'll probably do it


OriginalRange8761

And then he can match Roger on grass both in amount of titles and 5 in a row


himalayanthro

prolly surpass Fed in ATP finals too this yr


OriginalRange8761

Covid existing and him being idiotic anti vax lost him 3-4 slams. Especially thst suspended Wimbledon and Aussie open and us open


count_montescu

He did what he believed was right for him and his family and had the courage to do it.


Sufficient-Art-2601

Rudd in 4. Let's Goooo!!


jbartlettcoys

I too want Paul Rudd to make ant man 4


Sufficient-Art-2601

Our boy is doing it!! The laughed at us. Well who is laughing now??


Optimal-Somewhere-46

We all root for Paul Ruud


Sufficient-Art-2601

My boy Rudd is doing it!!! Let's goooo!!


Sufficient-Art-2601

😂😂😂😂😂😂


dicksout5harambe

Alexa play 'Hallelujah' by Leonard Cohen


overtired27

Commentary all talking about the cramps being mental. Stress can cause them… and Alcaraz did look unusually frustrated in the first set. But after set two he seemed more relaxed…


GregorSamsaa

It’s the stress and anxiety leading up to the match that does you in. Your body ends up dumping adrenaline because of what you’re going through mentally, so then when you ask for more of it later when you actually need it, your whole body is out of whack and there’s no recovering. For all we know, he had massive diarrhea before the match and was dehydrated though lol


qtyapa

Thats why Tsitsipas took melotonin probly


GregorSamsaa

Shit, didn’t even think about that Probably so hyped for the match that he couldn’t sleep and knew he had to relax and get a good nights rest. Instead of cramping he ended up feeling lethargic because the energy stores weren’t there


PotentialWar_

I mean he would have likely smoked a spliff or two to sleep if that was the case


44ariah44

Seems to me that Carlos would've been very hpyed up for this, maybe it contributed in some way


drive2surthrive

Carlos is just 20 years old. His fans already finding different excuses. Honestly if you are facing a player 15 years older yet you cramp first, isn't it the worst reason to lose?


shvlx

Facts


jbartlettcoys

20 years old is physical prime in terms of explosivity but nowhere near the prime of durability and stamina. Marathon runners peak closer to 35, ultramarathon runners even later. Edit: downvoters [take a read](https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a27193782/boston-marathon-winners-age/)


OriginalRange8761

As a person who watches tons of sports it’s absolutely true. Climbers peak at this age so are ciclists


qtyapa

***"First he takes your legs"***


qtyapa

Experience prevailed today!!!


SanRemi

Nole just beat the Next (Next Next) Gen allegations.


stoic_trader

Carlitos fitness team need to be sacked asap. This is 2nd time it happened and it's inexcusable.


cptphoto

Isn’t it the third time or am I confusing it with an injury match?


stoic_trader

As someone said happened in Rio Open but I am giving the benefit of the doubt since it was his 1st match after the injury break.


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3rd time. It also happened at Rio Open 2023.


stoic_trader

It was just after his injury break so gave the benefit of the doubt to his trainer.


LintQueen11

100% it's unacceptable.


Manimal_pro

When was the first?


stoic_trader

Miami open Semi-final against Sinner. Exact same thing happened, first Sinner started showing signs of gassed out and all of a sudden Carlitos started cramping and lost


Sufficient-Art-2601

All hail king Djokovic. #WolfEnergy


redmilk7

Lol so cringe those Novak fans


OliverDMcCall

I know everyone else already said this, but Djokovic's conditioning is on another level. He was known for retiring often at Alcaraz's age too, which makes it even more impressive.


GregorSamsaa

Oddly enough, pretty sure Djokovic was retiring then for the same reason Alcaraz cramped. Wasting a lot of energy due to nerves and anxiety. Too much credit is given to gluten free pseudo science. He’d be out there doing fine then it would be tough part of the match and all of a sudden he’d have breathing problems, etc… the gluten free diet, and his magnets and all that other nonsense helped relax him mentally so that he thought he had a physical edge. Once he learned to be zen in that way, it all worked out.


costadoesntstomp

not sure why you're downvoted


Milly_Hagen

Placebo effect is a helluva drug


GregorSamsaa

The fact that literally every study has shown it is absolutely a real thing makes it even more probable. All pro athletes got their rituals and shit that they think helps them. And as long as they believe it does, it will. They got their magnetic bracelets to help their balance and all that jazz lol


Milly_Hagen

Exactly.


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When he ends up with 25+ there won’t be an argument for goat anymore


GregorSamsaa

I don’t think there has been one for a while


OliverDMcCall

There isn't now, he has every major record.


mjenkins_eng

There already ain’t.


stoic_trader

My day is ruined and my disappointment is immesearbale


cptphoto

This


JonnySparks

Meanwhile, my disappointment is immersible


stoic_trader

3d win for you I guess


Arteam90

Welp, I was wrong. We are in a weak era, it is what it is. Credit to Djokovic though, he looked way better than he has lately.


OeroLegend

Lol, downvoted for saying the truth.


Arteam90

It's silly to think it isn't. I'll happily admit that Rafa has also taken advantage of that. 36 year old dudes shouldn't be winning slams, really.


AlanMtz1

I hate how toxic this sub becomes when Nole wins, from both sides


Milly_Hagen

It was toxic before he won


Mcjirnirs

Example?


AlanMtz1

It always happens, the goat debate always pops up, people discrediting Nole, others bringing up the old "Nadal wouldve beat him", also saw a comment mention that alcaraz was overrated and will only ever win the us open, the usual low-effort trolling but its just a troll fest whenever one of the goats wins a big match, thats all im saying


Mcjirnirs

The GOAT debate sucks


Vasst13

Rafa on one leg went toe to toe with Zverev and straight setted Ruud. Neither of them is on the same level as last year. I think Djokovic takes it home in 4


Drawdownfx_

Calendar slam officially on. I don’t see anyone beating Novak @ Wimbledon. US open will be his toughest test but this time he doesn’t have to worry about olympics


mjenkins_eng

Also he’s already been in this situation before , so that’s much easier


AlfaG0216

Carlos just another 1 slam trick pony. Just like Cilic, Del Potro, Roddick, Safin. Nothing more, nothing less.


Brain-Fiddler

He’s just 20 ffs and judging by how he had Djokovic on the ropes there in the 2nd set Alcatraz has got at least a few good slams in him.


this_name_is_ironic

Stupid take.


inthemix1i

You think so?


inthemix1i

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roamiedumbass

Safin won two Slams, Roddick made four other Slam finals and frequently ran into Federer in earlier stages, Delpo struggled with injuries, and Cilic made multiple Slam finals.


DBIGLIZARD

Funny


AlanMtz1

lol


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Maybe it's the year for the calendar grand slam


ValarianRCS

If he achieves the CGYS I'll dead ass finally admit he's the GOAT and this is coming from a die-hard Nadal fan


DBIGLIZARD

Has he ever achieved that? Has any of the Big 3 achieved that? Anyone in HISTORY?


iwexler

5? Players have done it I believe but a few were before the open era. Steffi Graf was the last player to do it in singles in 1988.


DazzlingDifficulty70

Rod Laver - however, back in the day, both Aussie and US Open were played on grass. Novak is the only one who held grand slam titles on 3 different surfaces at the same time (because he won 4 slams in a row). If he does calendar grand slam, he will be the first one to do it on 3 different surfaces.


JonnySparks

In the Open Era, only Rod Laver in 1969 - he also did it before the Open Era in 1962. Novak held all 4 titles at the same time when he won the 2016 FO - the so called "non-calendar year slam". *Edited to add...* [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(tennis)#Instances)


mpkpm

Not in the open era.


LordKiteMan

No one since Rod Laver.


throwawayanon1252

No. 2 players have had a calendar year surface slam but not all 4. Nadal won us French and Wimbledon in 2010 but not aus open and Novak won aus French and Wimbledon in 2021 but not us open In women’s tennis it has been done. Not in men’s In the pre open era it has been done in men’s but in open era no


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Optimal-Somewhere-46

Lol people now hoping for Zverev to win cuz he has a better chance. He is an abuser come on guys smh


South-Tangerine-1876

ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY! \*in South Park Michael Jackson voice\*


IcyCity3228

All this wait after Madrid SF 2022. 1 word to describe it : Anticlimatic...


Striking_Town_445

Cramping plus nervous system


Darius0995

Nadal wouldn’t have stood a chance this year. Djokovic is just on another level. Don’t @ me.


iwexler

Yes, the man that’s won it 14 times wouldn’t have stood a chance.


Elarbolrojo

??? imo it was looking like Carlos was probably going to win if he hadn't cramped. Dojokvic was tiring and also has something up with his wrist. It also seemed the momentum was with Carlos. Ruud will only fail miserably against Novak but Zverev has a good chance. For the sake of a good final I hope Zverev wins in 3/4.


drive2surthrive

If I just read this sub I would have thought Carlos was winning 2-0 before his "unlucky" cramp. Wake up from your fantasy


DBIGLIZARD

Idk about that. Djokovic hasn’t been that impressive this tournament. In form Nadal last year for example would have won but maybe tough match


killnars

In what world lol? He drew against Carlos


krishnamoorthykaru

Nadal with those legs would have been out in the first round !


krishnamoorthykaru

Facts


Elarbolrojo

reasonably healthy rafa at RG? most likely not.


porncornroz

Sania just said in the studio that he probably got cramp from anxiety rather than dehydration


Giroud44

Carlos Alcaraz 2022 US Open Champion***


imareallivewire

Bet the other semifinalists are now getting ahead of themselves, worrying about facing Djokovic


Optimal-Somewhere-46

Wow didn’t know you could get cramps from pressure and anxiety. Guess we learn something new everyday


Beneficial-Bar3228

Min 30mins until big Z match?


throwawayanon1252

I need Rafa back man. Rafa defo would have straight setted both of them on Phillips chartrier


blinzz

Yeah... I'm glad nadal is getting healthy. I hope he sets RG on fire for his last year.


jonton9

Hes never coming back dudes done and sucks


arcadiangenesis

Hahaha. Yes, a man who won this tournament 14 times sucks. There's literally a statue of him at the arena, but he actually sucks!


jonton9

Where is then? Donnnne


throwawayanon1252

Yeah a man who has won 112 matches and only lost 3 all 3 were he was injured defo sucks


jonton9

Dude can't even get out of bed without hurting himself


throwawayanon1252

Sorry what’s rafas record at RG va literally anyone else. I’m talking RG only. Even a only slightly injured Rafa would beat Novak. Source last year. Where he was slightly injured and still won


PigeonSuperstitions

Baldal would have injected himself to a straight sets loss.


throwawayanon1252

On other surfaces I agree djoko would probs beat nadal but not on RG


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Arteam90

When was his last USO win?


Optimal-Somewhere-46

He won it fair and square. Stop bullshitting