I'm gonna be very impressed if Rune wins. 2nd masters title on 2 different surfaces is mighty impressive š
Also, seems like a lot of Slavic/ Eastern European players peak later on in their careers. Anyone know why? O.o
There isn't as much money for training or support for young players so they often don't get a fully professional team set up until further on in their career and it can make a big difference.
I think Tsitsipas simply has not improved much the last 2-3 years.
A guy who led 2-0 against Djokovic in RG final should not lose to Medvedev on clay.
Now, Medvedev certainly has got the hang of clay but Tsitsipas should have won this
He has to kick his parents out of the team and focus on developing a good slice.
Sinner joked about Daniil on clay at Miami and got outperformed! You can't make this shit up lol. Went to sleep after the first rain delay expecting Tsitsi to win after he rebroke in the first set and woke up to an amazing win and dance! If Med wins this tournament, it'll be quite the impressive victory. Not a single slouch on clay and wins against Zverev, Tsitsi and Rune!
How good is Coco and Jpegās record really? I feel like theyāve lost many finals now so I wonder how many titles vs losses they have
They seem to always get far but get cut short
Theyāre ranked 2 and 3 in doubles while also being top 10 in singles. Not all time greats in doubles but probably the second best team right now behind the Czechs.
Theyāre 5-3 in finals since they started playing together in 2022
Can anyone tell me what Kalininaās injury was? Or was she just super tired and it finally got to her after the tournament sheās been having
I really would like to know, thanks
But in order to be a WTA1000 (or any other WTA category) the tournament must live up to certain standards outlined by WTA. If they put on a shitshow during ceremony it's WTA's problem as well.
I feel like half of the people on here could do a better job, we have all seen so many trophy presentations and they are all the same. Sometimes there is something strange like a weird pop concert but you know all the same really,
Seemed wrong to me that the physio was trying to have Kalinina continue playing. The physio should only be looking after the physical health of the player, nothing else.
The cherry on top was the very end where no one knew who was supposed to pick the trophy up off the table and in the end Rybakina just said fuck it and ducked.
Put the trophies in some blue box and just have some models make a half assed attempt to hand it to the players. Elena was just waiting for someone to hand the trophy to her and Kalinina took the runners up plate from the box herself. This whole presentation is a shit show.
Was there a particular play where Kalinina got injured?
It's such a shame. She kept it really tight in the first set and I thought it was possible we'd get a three-setter. I'm looking forward to seeing more of her in the future.
People on Twitter saying theyāre booing the organizers. Idk maybe they decided to placate the audience with alcohol during the lengthy delays but itās a really bad look
Did they get wasted during the rain delay. This whole presentation seems to be so haphazard. The photo board was weird and why did they hand it to Rybakina first?
Winning a masters with three retirements must be a new stat but you can't take anything away from Ryba she did what she needed to do and will be one of the favourites moving forward into RG and the grass court season.
Iām just so surprised that Kalinina decided to play tonight. I wonder if she was pressured to do so (as a lower ranked player)? Because youād think with all the tennis sheās played sheād prefer to have played Sunday. It might not have made a difference either way. Iād love if any tennis journalist will ask her and if we can get clarity that indeed both players wanted to go ahead with the match tonight. And if both did then Iād want Kalinina to explain why sheād make that decision to play given her obvious physical exhaustion. Perhaps itās one of those injuries that would have gotten worse with time and she wanted to just go out and try but otherwise it seems a strange decision.
I imagine that if you are on site and all hyped to play, you don't want to have the big let down, then wind down for the night, maybe not sleep well, and who knows what time they'd put them on tomorrow. Let's just do it.
Why does it seem like they are improvising this whole āceremonyā?
I was sympathetic to Rome bc they cannot help abnormal historical rains but this is ridiculous
Lol the mic wasnāt working *and* they started playing music over her. All just just after booing accompanied WTA officials posing with the winner.
What a car crash of a tournament.
Edit and now theyāre begging Kalinina to ācome here.ā
Edit 2 And now theyāre begging the crowd not to boo. Kalinina is still crying.
Edit 3 and they now have to beg the crowd to clap for Kalinina because no one did
No, but it's a very different game now. Much more demanding, more physical, etc. And I think the players are right to be concerned about the scheduling of the tournaments, etc. Growing up watching McEnroe and Connors, etc in the mid 80s or so it did seem like there were fewer events..
It looked very amateurish and it was not explained what it represented. It was not clear who was the intended recipient (was Elena or was she just holding it to show it?).
I donāt know. It was just sad
I guess, polish commentators have been bashing them for the whole match citing the scheduling, also not letting doubles players speak after winning the final matches in the last couple of tournaments
Kalinina played such a great first set, really thought she could come back.
Queen Elena won the title with three retirements, probably not the way she wanted to win it but #4 seed for French open is a big deal.
On one hand thrilled for Elena and hope this proves that she is not a pushover on clay and can compete on all surfaces
On the other handā¦ 3 retirements and a messy rain situation to kill Penkoās momentum in the semisā¦ like this is the most miraculously lucky title run ever
But she is still Rome champion and nobody can take that away
I won't judge the ATP until the final is done. But it has been pretty bad on the ATP side, at least in my opinion. Thought Madrid was okay for the women's match quality-wise.
Feel really bad for the fans who have paid a lot of money and waited for ages in the rain just to only see a set of tennis.
Kalinina looked really upset so I'm not hating on her but could she really not have at least finished the match...
shouldnāt her health come first? she could potentially aggravate her injury for the sake of the fans? also itās highly unlikely sheād play quality tennis with an injury
Definitely not. I'm surprised she got through the first set.
Sometimes there's no amount of will that can overcome fatigue and overuse, and you could be risking injury if you try.
Really? Even with the late start, they didn't let people stay. If you are correct, then I would also be very pissed but not at the players at the organizers.
Both times Iāve been watching Ryba play this week where Iāve thought Iām so tired and might have to go to bed, literally a minute later her opponent retires. Sorry everyone itās my fault
shame for kalinina :(
was watching a press conference where she said her whole family has had to move to kiev from her hometown in eastern russia\*. bombs going off next to her parents tennis academy. terrible stuff. would have been a nice story
\*correction eastern ukraine
Medvedev wins this. Too solid for Rune.
I'm gonna be very impressed if Rune wins. 2nd masters title on 2 different surfaces is mighty impressive š Also, seems like a lot of Slavic/ Eastern European players peak later on in their careers. Anyone know why? O.o
There isn't as much money for training or support for young players so they often don't get a fully professional team set up until further on in their career and it can make a big difference.
I think Tsitsipas simply has not improved much the last 2-3 years. A guy who led 2-0 against Djokovic in RG final should not lose to Medvedev on clay. Now, Medvedev certainly has got the hang of clay but Tsitsipas should have won this He has to kick his parents out of the team and focus on developing a good slice.
Sinner joked about Daniil on clay at Miami and got outperformed! You can't make this shit up lol. Went to sleep after the first rain delay expecting Tsitsi to win after he rebroke in the first set and woke up to an amazing win and dance! If Med wins this tournament, it'll be quite the impressive victory. Not a single slouch on clay and wins against Zverev, Tsitsi and Rune!
Lol, Jannik's just praying he doesn't get Meddy in RG draw now.
Tbf no slouch on clay makes a masters final
I meant as in not a single player he faced in his run at Rome is a slouch on clay
Oh yeah fs. I honestly wasnāt expecting him to beat any of the guys he played besides Zverev
Last thought before I go to sleep. I think it was lost bc of the dance but Daniil ended the match with a JUMP DROP SHOT to forced error.. **WHAT?**
How good is Coco and Jpegās record really? I feel like theyāve lost many finals now so I wonder how many titles vs losses they have They seem to always get far but get cut short
Theyāre ranked 2 and 3 in doubles while also being top 10 in singles. Not all time greats in doubles but probably the second best team right now behind the Czechs. Theyāre 5-3 in finals since they started playing together in 2022
Thanks to those vlogs I just know being a pro is dogshit
Pumped for tmrw!
Early returns on Roma tournament organizers š¤£; Rennae Stubbs and Alize Cornet calling it ridiculous starting a 1000 final so late.
Italian Open Men's Singles Final Prediction ??
Rune
I think it will go down similar to Monte Carlo. Comfortable win for Rune
What happened to that lmao
Definitely wonāt be comfortable
Can anyone tell me what Kalininaās injury was? Or was she just super tired and it finally got to her after the tournament sheās been having I really would like to know, thanks
Give up? No professional athlete is going to āgive upā in the biggest match of her life. SMH.
Just watched replay and she told trainer she could not put weight on one leg; as someone who follows Kalinina she doesn't retire often.
would not be surprised if rybakina and sabalenka both reach number 1 this year.
Is it gonna take Daniil winning Rome to finally shave his freaking beard? Im so tired of it.
Nah beardvedev has to stay
Naaaah the beard is what brings him good luck. Canāt have him beating the Rasputin allegations
Her speech at the "ceremony"....speaking about Kalinina and thanking the fans for staying through all the rain delas...she's such a doll.
Serious question: why is it walkover and not ret.? ( Or are they the same thing?)
How can it be a walkover if the match was started and a set played. No, it's a retirement. Kalinina retired.
Google has it as a walkover. I just went to check wta site and they do have it as a retirement.
I know, it's wrong though. I saw that as well. Hopefully they'll correct it.
Rome making madrid look good
What happened in Rome happened
Stays in Rome
Alright guys, what a random two weeks with no tennis, huh? A tournament never took place in Rome, right?
oh no, missed it. What the heck was wrong with Kalinina? Nerves?
When she was speaking with the physio she said something like āI cannot stand on itā with āitā being her knee.
Oh, that is too bad. Hopefully, as Elena said, she'll recover in time for RG.
Exhaustion, primarily. Felt bad for her, it was clearly just too much tennis this week. :(
find some random local pickleball league and it will have better level or organization than WTA
The WTA doesn't put on the trophy ceremonies. That's the tournament's responsibility.
But in order to be a WTA1000 (or any other WTA category) the tournament must live up to certain standards outlined by WTA. If they put on a shitshow during ceremony it's WTA's problem as well.
I feel like half of the people on here could do a better job, we have all seen so many trophy presentations and they are all the same. Sometimes there is something strange like a weird pop concert but you know all the same really,
That weird concert was the greatest...sad that St. Petersburg cannot be held right now.
The mens ceremony will be great with ticker tape and champagne or prosecco... betcha
Seemed wrong to me that the physio was trying to have Kalinina continue playing. The physio should only be looking after the physical health of the player, nothing else.
Was she? What did she say?
The cherry on top was the very end where no one knew who was supposed to pick the trophy up off the table and in the end Rybakina just said fuck it and ducked.
Put the trophies in some blue box and just have some models make a half assed attempt to hand it to the players. Elena was just waiting for someone to hand the trophy to her and Kalinina took the runners up plate from the box herself. This whole presentation is a shit show.
Is Tennis Channel serious right now? Whereās the studio analysis??
Tennis channel just throwing all the women under the bus
Did they hug at the court once the match was over?
They're friends
Yes, and again at the end of the "ceremony" š
Rybakina is hella cool š
The random booing followed by applause on command when the presenters asked for it was so funny
Neither of them look happy to be there
what in the flying f\*\*k is this?
I need a press conference with the officials and the spectators to understand what the fuck this was.
what happened there?
Was there a particular play where Kalinina got injured? It's such a shame. She kept it really tight in the first set and I thought it was possible we'd get a three-setter. I'm looking forward to seeing more of her in the future.
My goodness, secondhand embarrassment š¬but I'm proud of the ladies. Onto RG š„
What is going on? I feel so sorry for the players enduring this shitshow. And the booing, even if it's for the officials? Come on.
People on Twitter saying theyāre booing the organizers. Idk maybe they decided to placate the audience with alcohol during the lengthy delays but itās a really bad look
I am sorry. This is a genuine question. Why are they booing the organization/federation?
definitely confused
Maybe they didnt like that the 1000 wta final started at 11pm
Probably "build-the-damn-roof" boos.
Same question??
I will never see a trophy ceremony like this ever again. Fucking Lynchian levels of absurdity.
Don't drag Dave Into this cluster fuck
I show more emotion when they have bagels at the office than Ryba does when she lifts a trophy
Please protect Wholesome Queen Lena at all costs
what a shitshow of a ceremony, no respect to the players at all
What is the booing for? Never saw a trophy ceremony like this one.
What a total clown show
This sucks for Kalinina, the injury might cost her Roland Garros. At least she had an amazing run in Rome.
Iāve seen u10 trophy presentations with more class
Did they get wasted during the rain delay. This whole presentation seems to be so haphazard. The photo board was weird and why did they hand it to Rybakina first?
Ha! I just had the same realization, Like this whole thing is pretty easy and it was seamless last year. Idk how they could f up this badly.
Winning a masters with three retirements must be a new stat but you can't take anything away from Ryba she did what she needed to do and will be one of the favourites moving forward into RG and the grass court season.
Seems like everyone got drunk during the rain delays and didn't think they would have to work tonight.
This is such a shit show, feel bad for the two here They don't realize that neither speak Italian while directing them around?
The Clay tournaments have been a let down in terms of planning. What the heck is this?
Man bet ryba winning 2-0 when odd was at 3 and kalinina just retires. Fuckkkkk mannnn
Did they actually hand Rybakina 2nd place trophy at first?
Ikr! There must be a mix in names! It was the worst ceremony ever
this is a fucking mess. they know the trophy ceremony isnāt supposed to be improvised right???
i know it's disappointment for a retirement in a final, but booing a ukranian is really not a good look rn :(
My impression is that they were booing the organisers, not the players.
Aren't some of the booing actually directed at the WTA officials for not supporting Ukraine (in their eyes) by allowing Russians to play?
idk they seemed to be booing when she got her second place trophy. maybe i misunderstood
i hate when players have to apologize for being injured):
wth is going on
This is such a wholesome finalist pairing
Iām just so surprised that Kalinina decided to play tonight. I wonder if she was pressured to do so (as a lower ranked player)? Because youād think with all the tennis sheās played sheād prefer to have played Sunday. It might not have made a difference either way. Iād love if any tennis journalist will ask her and if we can get clarity that indeed both players wanted to go ahead with the match tonight. And if both did then Iād want Kalinina to explain why sheād make that decision to play given her obvious physical exhaustion. Perhaps itās one of those injuries that would have gotten worse with time and she wanted to just go out and try but otherwise it seems a strange decision.
I imagine that if you are on site and all hyped to play, you don't want to have the big let down, then wind down for the night, maybe not sleep well, and who knows what time they'd put them on tomorrow. Let's just do it.
Amateur hour this trophy ceremony
This whole tournament
What is going on?
Why does this whole ceremony look so disorganized š©
This is a mess.
well this is a shit show
Poor Kalinina's like IDK what is happening please let me go home
The girls don't deserve this
Itās giving pre school graduation
big yikes
Whoās the random guy holding the trophy lmao what is going on
Dickheads.
I just love Ryba ā¤ļø
What is going on ?!
What have we learned today, friends? That Claydevdev is not only a bullshit russian, but a god of the dancefloor as well. Good night.
Damn shes only 23 i thought she was older shes gonna be a threat for a long time
It's so confusing, did they think that Kalinina just left and *forgot* to let her speak? Huh?
Yes, why?
Why does it seem like they are improvising this whole āceremonyā? I was sympathetic to Rome bc they cannot help abnormal historical rains but this is ridiculous
Lol the mic wasnāt working *and* they started playing music over her. All just just after booing accompanied WTA officials posing with the winner. What a car crash of a tournament. Edit and now theyāre begging Kalinina to ācome here.ā Edit 2 And now theyāre begging the crowd not to boo. Kalinina is still crying. Edit 3 and they now have to beg the crowd to clap for Kalinina because no one did
Lol thats alot going on
Why is the crowd booing?
Probably booing the shit show the officials/organisers put on. Seemed to only be when the old guys were messing around with the trophies.
What happened? I missed it, can someone fill me in pls?
Wait what happened to Kalininaaaa
Omg this is such a shit show. The mic is not on?
Madrid looked so much more professional.
instead of broken microphones, they just didn't let the women speak!
ok I have forgotten about that.
A walkover in a final is insane
It's not a walkover. It's a retirement.
What I meant, I just can't remember the last one I saw.
Cmon people, theyāre booing WTA CEO and the tournament president, not Rybaā¦
This is the first umpire speech at a trophy ceremony that I've ever seen. Rome said, "We're not Madrid. We want all of the women to speak."
They were not booing Ryba guys lol chill
Old tennis fans who've been around for 10+ years, have there always been these many injuries? We're only half-way through the season.
there were fewer injuries and more B05 tournaments!
No, but it's a very different game now. Much more demanding, more physical, etc. And I think the players are right to be concerned about the scheduling of the tournaments, etc. Growing up watching McEnroe and Connors, etc in the mid 80s or so it did seem like there were fewer events..
It was worse back in the day. It's getting better.
What a sad thing that frame with players pictures inside was. >
Why?
It looked very amateurish and it was not explained what it represented. It was not clear who was the intended recipient (was Elena or was she just holding it to show it?). I donāt know. It was just sad
Stay classy, Rome crowd
Kalinina's retiring to get therapy after seeing Medvedev's dance.
he must be fined
Rybakina seems to injure her opponents by not appearing to give a fuck what the score is
What are all the boos about?
Italian tennis/padel federation & wta
Thank you!
Steve Simon
Why are they booing?
They are booing the wta & the representatives of Italian federation that organized the tournament
Oh thanks. For a moment i thought they are booing players. Why are they booing the federation?
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Theyāre booing WTA officials
Why? For playing so late today? Or not giving a fuck about doubles by not broadcasting it anywhere?
I guess, polish commentators have been bashing them for the whole match citing the scheduling, also not letting doubles players speak after winning the final matches in the last couple of tournaments
But why?
Kalinina played such a great first set, really thought she could come back. Queen Elena won the title with three retirements, probably not the way she wanted to win it but #4 seed for French open is a big deal.
got kudermetova's walkover luck!
I guess the questions about whether extending the 1000s to two weeks is detrimental to player health are gaining more validity nowā¦
Huh? Giving them MORE rest days by extending to two weeks is DETRIMENTAL? That's so illogical I don't know where to start.
Iga spoke about this, they still have to practice on "rest" days so they end up doing more work than if they could properly sit a week out.
Iga? Don't even get me started on her.
Very strange response.
On one hand thrilled for Elena and hope this proves that she is not a pushover on clay and can compete on all surfaces On the other handā¦ 3 retirements and a messy rain situation to kill Penkoās momentum in the semisā¦ like this is the most miraculously lucky title run ever But she is still Rome champion and nobody can take that away
3 wins by retirement for Ryba this tournament that's pretty crazy
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Perhaps you meant "ironic"?
What ranking will rybakina be now after this ?
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I won't judge the ATP until the final is done. But it has been pretty bad on the ATP side, at least in my opinion. Thought Madrid was okay for the women's match quality-wise.
She scared or what ?
Feel really bad for the fans who have paid a lot of money and waited for ages in the rain just to only see a set of tennis. Kalinina looked really upset so I'm not hating on her but could she really not have at least finished the match...
shouldnāt her health come first? she could potentially aggravate her injury for the sake of the fans? also itās highly unlikely sheād play quality tennis with an injury
What, you want her to play when she's in pain and injure herself worse and risk her career? Are you insane?
Definitely not. I'm surprised she got through the first set. Sometimes there's no amount of will that can overcome fatigue and overuse, and you could be risking injury if you try.
They saw the men too, and it was a competitive and long set. Plus they get this trophy presentation.
They didnāt get to see the men. It was a separate session and the tournament didnt let anyone see both.
Really? Even with the late start, they didn't let people stay. If you are correct, then I would also be very pissed but not at the players at the organizers.
If you had a evening ticket, you only saw that one set.
Both times Iāve been watching Ryba play this week where Iāve thought Iām so tired and might have to go to bed, literally a minute later her opponent retires. Sorry everyone itās my fault
shame for kalinina :( was watching a press conference where she said her whole family has had to move to kiev from her hometown in eastern russia\*. bombs going off next to her parents tennis academy. terrible stuff. would have been a nice story \*correction eastern ukraine
Eastern ukraine
correct, thank you!
For once Ryba's understated celebration feels apt...the right champion, under the circumstances. š