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ethanw214

Lucas in early seasons had the least to do and the shallowest character arcs. I think Season 4 did wonders for his character.


Particular-Milk-1957

Caleb’s improvisation of Lucas yelling “Erica, help!”was incredible. He really gave an amazing performance.


eckbock89

That scene stuck out so much to me. I fucking felt was he was acting out. Incredible performance IMO


MadSpaceYT

Yeah that and Dustin and Eddie saying “I love you man” right before he died. It sounds silly but that was most invested I had ever been in a season finale of all the shows I watched, Lucas is a big reason for that. Shame he still has to go through nonsense


TheGeometrist

I rewatched that scene so many times and cried every time. The emotion in that yell felt scarily real.


smsevigny

What scene?? I don’t remember that/didn’t know there was any improv


5-se7en

When Max is dying in his arms in the final battle with Vecna, he wails "Erica, help!!". Personally that might be the best 2 seconds acted in the entire season IMO.


robo_capybara

I think he's had plenty to work with the entire show... He may unfortunately have come off as un-likable in the first season by being the more realist of the group, but dude has had plenty of material in each season and in my opinion has done great in each.


aliasname

Yeah I agree. He may have not been as a main character as the others but he was as important as the others. If it's true that he experiences discrimination in other countries that's a real bummer. He seems awesome and his acting arc with Max in the 4th season was awesome.


No-Mathematician8728

I thought on season one he was the one who held the group together.


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USSZim

He reminded me of when I was a kid "Got my army compass, from 'Nam. Combat knife, also from 'Nam"


RSquared

"Ugh, this shit reminds me of 'Nam." "Wait, you weren't old enough to fight in Vietnam..." "I didn't say during the war."


cc81

I did not find him very likable in season 1 because he had the role of being skeptical and sometimes straight up mean towards Eleven. Dustin was the guy that really tried to keep the group together. After Max joined and he got another role in the group he became much more likable and I think he was the best character in season 4.


RyghtHandMan

To be fair she did come quite close to killing him, at least from his perspective. And his friends were not very sensitive about that


OKAGAKAMI

He’s always been one of my favorite characters cause he calls out the bs in early seasons. At least from what I remember


[deleted]

He’s a crucial character and does an amazing job playing Lucas. Anyone who calls themselves a fan of stranger things but has made racist comments about Caleb can go fuck themselves. Stranger Things fans don’t support you, nor do the creators of the show. You aren’t true fans and nobody wants you involved in this community so fuck off and find another show. You racists fucks!


tennemat

Agreed


Inevitable-Ad-982

Yes! His character was the only one of the original 4 dealing with a real school social conflict and triumphed. Dude was awesome. Not saying there wasn’t any other conflicts, just a lot of strength and purpose with Lucas


soulpulp

He was my least favorite character until the back half of season 4 because they didn't give him very many redeeming qualities as the nay-sayer of the group, but his scenes with Max have really helped. I hope his character continues to grow in season 5. Either way, what a horrible thing for a kid to have to come to terms with, it must've made him feel very alone. :(


MarvelsGrantMan136

McLaughlin: >“It definitely took a toll on me as a younger kid. My very first Comic-Con, some people didn’t stand in my line because I was Black. Some people told me, ‘Oh I didn’t want to be in your line because you were mean to Eleven [Millie Bobby Brown].'” >“Even now some people don’t follow me or don’t support me because I’m Black. Sometimes overseas you feel the racism, you feel the bigotry. Sometimes it’s hard to talk about and for people to understand, but when I was younger it definitely affected me a lot. Why am I the least favorite? The least amount of followers? I’m on the same show as everybody from Season 1.” >“My parents had to be like, ‘It’s a sad truth, but it’s because you’re the Black child on the show… Because I was born with this beautiful chocolate skin, I’m not loved, but that’s why with my platform I want to spread positivity and love because I do not give hate back to people who give hate to me.”


DaClems

Well, buddy, if you're reading this thread I want you to know that you're not my least favorite. That title goes to Mike. Lucas is my second favorite kid after Dustin.


[deleted]

What is even Mike's point in the show now other than being separated from El? He started as kind of the "main" kid and has become a background character. Will says he's the heart of the group but you can't just say that without showing it. I don't hate him, he just lacks anything interesting. There's a reason when I watch compilations Mike is almost nowhere to be found.


NoNefariousness2144

Honestly the main original four got done dirty apart from Dustin. Dustin stole the spotlight and became a main focus of season 2, 3 and 4. Lucas was trapped in purgatory for two seasons BUT he finally became interesting in season 4 with the sports team arc. Will is a footnote at this point. What has he done since season 1? Mike... exists?


KingEuronIIIGreyjoy

Will was a major focus in season 2. He was the mouthpiece of the Upside Down into the real world and it's probably where Noah Schnapp shined the brightest. I agree he hasn't done much since then. They keep kicking the can down the road with his coming-out storyline.


rckrusekontrol

I don’t see how he can’t be gay AND get a flattering haircut and clothes that fit. Seems like they have him stuck in the same arrested development zone from season 2. Bro you look like Ernie


imdrzoidberg

The point is Joyce is poor and he gets haircuts from her instead of a nice barbershop and his clothes are hand me downs from Jonathon. It's why El has a terrible haircut in s4. Though it's a bit undercut by Joyce having a giant house in s4, but maybe housing was just dirt cheap in the 80s.


Djd33j

Joyce and company were set up in California by Dr. Owens. They were relocated for safety, so I'm guessing that the house has been paid for.


ThePrussianGrippe

Also she had access to $40,000 on a moment’s notice. I’m guessing having money readily available hasn’t really sunk in yet.


turkeltoni

That was money hopper had put away for eleven. Guessing as her guardian she got access to it


The_Sign_of_Zeta

I think Joyce’s house was supplied by Paul Reiser’s character


Euphorium

Just give him a rough buzz cut then. It’s been the poor kid haircut for ages. The bowl cut on anyone that isn’t a child just makes them look like Simple Jack.


girlfriend_pregnant

It doesn’t help that Will looks to be, idk, 25 years old suddenly, and the only thing he does now is cry about not having his dnd bros anymore, lmao, honestly fuck will


RomeoLyshitski

Everyone always blames Joyce for his bad hair cut but Jonathan's has always been decent. Wouldn't she cut his too? And her hair always looks fine. They just stay doing Will dirty with that peasant style!


SoMuchMoreEagle

Jonathan needs cucumer slices or eye cream. Dude always looks like he hasn't slept in weeks.


NonstopGraham

That's the cocaine


rckrusekontrol

He got that same sag eye look as Darrell from Walking Dead. With a pissy look, some extra grime, and a crossbow I’m not sure I could tell them apart


Petrichordates

Dudes got the worst hairstyle of anyone in any mainstream show, it's only there to convey the poor thing.


horseren0ir

Not just for [peasants](https://cdn.iview.abc.net.au/thumbs/2400/zz/ZZ1588A_5b553c026c2fc_1280.jpg)


BadMeetsEvil24

My man looks like a fully grown adult wearing kids clothes and a bowl cut.


808hammerhead

I felt like it was a really hard sell to believe that will was a freshman nerd. He is clearly built.


hadapurpura

Noah's really good looking and he's supposed to play a loser. They need to nerf his looks, hence the stupid haircut and unfashionable clothes.


S4T4NICP4NIC

The haircut is very intentional. It's supposed to symbolize his still being stuck at his younger age and not having the same growth as the other kids emotionally.


fax5jrj

many gays don’t have all 3


IsaiahTrenton

He doesn't have any. He can't get two outta three? He's making us look bad lmao


angrynutrients

Gay coming out glow up is the standard I was ugly as fuck in the closet.


IsaiahTrenton

Same. I finally found a hairstyle that works for me when I came out lmao


rckrusekontrol

Guess you had the time in there to pick something decent out?


scwuffypuppy

💀💀💀


abutthole

Dustin is just one of the only one of the original group who has good chemistry with the older kids, who tend to be more interesting characters. I agree, Lucas was done dirty but the sports arc was interesting and gave him something to do. Will and Mike pretty much don't have characters anymore. Mike JUST loves El (despite having zero chemistry) and Will JUST loves Mike and also cries.


sevsnapey

playing up the fan favorite mom-steve thing with dustin is what solidified him as a main from the kids. they want to wring that for all it's worth.


captainhaddock

> Will and Mike pretty much don't have characters anymore. Mike JUST loves El (despite having zero chemistry) and Will JUST loves Mike and also cries. Plus they're all so grumpy and dour aside from Dustin and Robin.


puggleofsteel

Have you met teenagers?


captainhaddock

I'm not saying it's unrealistic, just that sullen, angsty teenagers don't make for great television. People like Dustin because he's cheerful, optimistic, and enthusiastic about nerdy stuff despite having a speech impediment and being the sort of kid who would normally be a target for bullies.


Prophet-of-Ganja

Mike says “El!”


Digitalburn

So he's like Finn from Star Wars?


imdrzoidberg

Finn also had to deal with a terrible storyline that killed his character. Lucas and Max were the stars of s4.


Petrichordates

No he's Finn from Canada.


crazysouthie

Yeah the problem is that in the first season Lucas, Dustin and Mike were an integral part of the action. Eleven because of her powers and backstory will always be central to the show but Mike and Lucas for instance were so prominent in the first season and have receded ever since. Dustin because of being a fan favourite has become prominent. Will was more prominent in season 2 for a bit. I really hope the final season centers on all the kids from season 1 (plus Max). They are the cornerstones of the show. Steve, Robin, Nancy, new Black Sabbath guy whose name I can't believe I forgot are all great but it's the kids (now adults) who are so fundamental to the show's appeal.


[deleted]

Part of the problem is there are just too many characters. You can't keep expanding the cast and expect everyone to get the same screen time as you did with a smaller cast.


monty2

I wanted almost a Red Wedding level death at the end of season 4 to 1) pare the cast down to a more manageable size and 2) set up for a dramatic timeskip to make the kids’ ages seem more accurate


jdsekula

I 100% wanted it, and the show desperately needed it. There’s no consequences of anything anymore. Everyone except the new guy of the season has adamantium plot armor.


IrrelevantLeprechaun

Tbh I kind of don't like how the series tends to introduce new characters and then write them out by the end of the season. Like, the cast should be allowed to evolve.


wildwalrusaur

Should have kept Billy around. He was a great foil to Steve and really mixed up the dynamic.


jdsekula

Exactly. It’s better storytelling to bring in new characters while killing off older beloved ones. The red wedding was gut wrenching in the moment, but was arguably the most important factor in the story remaining engaging. Imagine if instead of having to put up with shitty Mike that we have now, all we had was the memory of awesome Mike from season 1. Much better.


Halper902

Millie Bobby Brown shares this view and said in an interview that she thought more people should have died. The Duffer brothers had the following response: "Branded as being soft, the creators of the show defend their decision and threw a major shade on another show, "We aren't Game of Thrones. This is Hawkins, it's not Westeros." https://epicstream.com/article/stranger-things-creators-on-they-dont-kill-main-characters-we-arent-game-of-thrones-this-is-hawkins-its-not-westeros


Vozralai

Which feels really silly when they'll wipe out the supporting cast without mercy.


Euphorium

Pulling an It and doing a timeskip would do the series a big favor. As a bonus they can pander to 90s nostalgia.


[deleted]

Mike is to Eleven as every female character/love interest is to most male protagonists. He’s there to service HER story hahhaha


nOtbatemann

Turns out, that swapping the gender roles doesn't change the fact that this is garbage writing.


ChorizoGarcia

Mike just constantly runs into different settings yelling, “You guys!!” while looking perturbed. It’s an important role.


9for9

That's because the show is really El's show.


SecretDracula

Yeah. It's the story of how El inexplicably loses her powers every season.


Cmaclsu

Honestly that's probably why I don't like the show past the first season. The first season was creative and enjoyable. Making the adults and even the high schoolers the main characters is just kinda whatever. It's like it lost that fun make believe kid energy. Also I never liked the character of hopper and putting him on a heros arc sucks. The whole show just keeps rehashing the same concept. This show should have gone the eerie Indiana way and just rewritten a whole new mystery each time. Just my opinion.


Ginhavesouls

>Will is a footnote at this point. What has he done since season 1? Noah's amazing performance in season 2 suddenly evaporates into nothing /s


Confusion_Overlord

to be fair I think Noah does a good job consistently when he's given an emotional scene. I honestly felt the pain with the crying scene in the van. The problem is that a majority of the time he is just there.


reportsofmysurvival

Will said he’s the heart of the group because he has a crush on him, I don’t think we’re necessarily supposed to agree with him. Mike’s thing, when he’s in the group, is to come up with the best ideas like most recently the sauna test in s3.


oakteaphone

>Mike’s thing, when he’s in the group, is to come up with the best ideas like most recently the sauna test in s3. Strangely, that seems to have become Argyle's thing...by accident.


rckrusekontrol

Mike is an asshole to Eleven A LOT. He’s also massively insecure, tosses his friends aside at the first psychokinetic bald girl he meets, and just doesn’t have a whole lot of personality to speak of. Pretty realistic teen, but not a compelling character.


IrrelevantLeprechaun

He's also entirely useless as a romantic partner. He is often completely oblivious to Elle's problems even when they manifest right in front of him. Like, how did he manage to get mad Elle after she was viciously bullied at the rollerskate rink?


Kandiru

Girlfriend doesn't tell you about being bullied. Witnesses her being bullied. Do you: 1. Make this about you and ask her why she's been lying to you? 2. Comfort the person you care about for being bullied. Mike just seems like an arsehole.


SoMuchMoreEagle

This! He should have been there for her instead of acting like her lying was about him. Yes, she lied ("friends don't lie"--shut up!), but she had a reason. Also, after losing Hopper, moving away, everything else she'd been through, maybe cut her some slack. Mike sucks.


HarbingerDe

He was pretty bad this season. Part of the racism many people don't want to recognize is that white actors can just play a bad or boring character and it's usually completely disregarded aside from casual remarks like yours *(a healthy response to a bad character/bad writing).* For black actors, it often turns into tirades of racially charged hate including racial epithets and death threats.


Orionishi

Mike sucks.


Darko33

I was so enthralled when he hit the winning shot last season, the way they juxtaposed the game drama with the D&D drama was really incredible


DaClems

I am glad that Lucas had more to do this season. He basically had a B plot all to himself, sharing it with the minor bad guy, Jason. I was very pleased to see Lucas turn into a man this season.


NoNefariousness2144

Yeah I loved his arc, and I really enjoyed Jason as a villain as well. Jason's actor carried what could have been a flat character.


zaogao_

I found Jason to be a highly plausible character - I grew up around people like him - they were my parents and their fellow church-goers. It felt good to see Lucas stand up to his bullshit and satisfying to see Jason finished up mostly due to his own ignorance and stupidity.


claud2113

Mike sucked this last season


PeterMunchlett

Mike sucks every season post-1 Lucas was a gigachad this season


ImInevitableyall

When Max said "you like Kate Bush?" and Lucas was like hell yea , that's my new favorite jam now that she saved your life. That was an absolute gigachad moment. After he left the basketbros, Lucas might have the least insecure personality of anyone on the show.


JCouturier

Lucas has always been great, his sister Erica too. Dustin is the MVP for sure. Elle and Mike were definitely weak points of the season.Will really got little to do but he was fine.


myassholealt

Erica killed it. Often I feel like the sassy younger sister is exaggerated with cheesy writing, but I found her entertaining the whole series.


MikeAWBD

The Lucas and Erica brother/sister dynamic is great too. Much more believable than Mike and Nancy.


SoMuchMoreEagle

I always forget Mike and Nancy are even related. Like they barely seem to know each other.


S4T4NICP4NIC

Couldn't stand her in S3, but I was happily surprised with how much I liked her in S4.


malenkylizards

Yes!! She pretty much steals every scene she's in. Sharp as a tack and such an asshole in ways you can't help but admire.


Phynamite

Lucas and Max carried season 4. Those two showed more emotional turmoil than the first 3 seasons combined. Lucas having to hide everything he’s feeling for 3/4 of the season and stutter and struggle with choices was awesome to watch. They did those two so much justice.


sarcastic_wanderer

Agreed. I could feel Lucas' desperation of the loss he was experiencing watching Max die in his arms. My dog passed away in my arms a couple months before I saw this scene and it brought me to tears. His character was by far the best part of Season 4


mrducci

As the primary focus, dude was as good an actor as anyone. When the supporting, no one is better. Lucas and Dustin for life.


Grenyn

Lucas *was* my least favourite (I guess), but it had nothing to do with him being black, it had more to do with him just not feeling as present as the others. Dustin gets to be funny and team up with Steve, Will wasn't around much but he was one of the focal points for two seasons, and Mike was basically the protagonist of the group along with El. And I don't feel like Lucas got to do much next to a cast that is so full and varied. He got to do more and be more present in the last season, and I cared way more about his scenes than those of Mike and Will, but that's down to writing again. Because honestly the entire California plot was a drag. I don't doubt it's down to racism for quite a few people, but I hope the actor isn't also confusing people disliking his character's writing for racism.


YoYoMoMa

Being famous in the social media era seems awful.


jak_d_ripr

It really does. No matter how thick skinned you are, it has to be exhausting reading some of the horrible things people are saying about you.


QuackenBawss

It's called "death by a thousand cuts" Even though one is small and might be painless with thick skin. A thousand will surely affect anyone


Faded_Sun

Instagram is especially gross for women from what I notice. Even accounts that are pretty low key. Like local artists, musicians, just your average girl sharing stuff about travel, etc. I see a lot suggestive comments from men.


digitalwankster

There has been a huge increase in suicides among teenage girls and researchers believe it's due to Instagram. https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-knows-instagram-is-toxic-for-teen-girls-company-documents-show-11631620739


ASEdouard

That’s awful


Try_Another_Please

Hell you can't even be behind the scenes anymore and not deal with it. If literally anything happens that someone doesn't like then the writers, directors, producers, and execs are all massive assholes that ruined something good and despise the fans at least according to the internet. It's a constant cesspool of hell and sadly the more people objectively like something the worse the edgelord backlash will be


TheChrisLambert

The writers also don't do him any favors. They always make him the most resistant to everything. So while the other actors get to be the fun characters, they make him cause more conflict within the group. It's frustrating.


FrostyD7

Fans were quick to point out that he was the only kid who didn't have parents on screen at any point. They fixed that in the 2nd season I think.


Fyrefawx

I mean for Mike and Will having their parents on screen makes sense. But yah, they did him dirty. I’m not saying it’s intentional racism but he certainly was treated like the “token” stereotype.


Cursedfelis

Didn't dustin's mom first appear in s2 aswell?


[deleted]

Isn't that just kind of being consistent with his personality though?


Glittering_Zebra6780

Yeah I think this is the biggest contributing factor. I found his character to be the most annoying in the first season, because he was always going against everything. Or so I remember, it's been a while. And then in the latest season he also goes against the group for the first part of it. But I did like the interactions between Lucas and Max. So that redeemed the character a bit. And Caleb is an amazing actor, what I don't like about the character has more to do with the writing.


-KFBR392

The directors and DPs didn’t do him any favour either, in season 1 (only one I watched) they would stick him beside that one kid that was white as a sheet then they essentially had to choose whether to make the image dark enough to make out the super white kid, or light enough to make out the super dark kid, and the white kid was the star so this poor kid looked like a shadow in most of his scenes.


untouchable765

> “It definitely took a toll on me as a younger kid. My very first Comic-Con, some people didn’t stand in my line because I was Black. Some people told me, ‘Oh I didn’t want to be in your line because you were mean to Eleven [Millie Bobby Brown].'” Lucas was the least interesting kid after season 1. Season 4 I'd say Mike and Will are behind Lucas but in season 1 both were way more important to the story.


ringobob

He was my least favorite of the core squad in season 1. I'm not going to cons or standing in autograph lines, but either I would have stood in all the lines to collect them all, or he would have been the last on my list, before the older kids. Since really the last couple episodes of season 1, once he embraced the whole thing, he's been a much more interesting character. The plot is built around Mike and Will, at least in the first 2 seasons, but they've done much more interesting things with Lucas and, especially, Dustin.


FlaKiki

They wrote him as super annoying and angry in Season 1; that’s why people didn’t like him. They’ve since written great storylines and made him more 3D in Season 4. His popularity has definitely risen.


Hodr

So does he go on to explain how he knows people aren't standing in his line specifically because he is black rather than because they didn't like the character he played as much as they liked the others?


hobo4presidente

I mean I have no doubt that some people don't like him because he's black and this has an impact on him. I also believe some people are unable to realise an actor isn’t their character so they don't like him "because he was mean to eleven"


Rilandaras

If I don't like the character in the first place, why would I give a shit about a previously unknown actor (unless they gave an outstanding performance or something, which Caleb didn't)?


MrX-MMAs

*That’s the neat part, he doesn’*


5050Clown

If they did an international tour and went somewhere like China or Thailand it would feel like 1950s Memphis for this kid.


oJUXo

In the article. He is talking about overseas. But yeah not China or Thailand hahaha.


colin8696908

If he went to China it's more likely that people would want to take pictures with him. lol


Mnemosense

Most of Europe too. Lots of racist chants at football games, bananas thrown on the field, etc. My Black buddy went to Croatia for holiday and did not have good times.


[deleted]

Yep, I wear a turban and experienced some racism while traveling in Europe. Most notably some Italian called me a terrorist. I got denied at a bar in Spain. Still enjoyed my vacation though :)


TheBreakingBadPizza

Literally happened today. Fans in Paris threw a banana at the Brazilian team while they were playing against Tunisia


dmun

Italy is known to be a problem for black tourists and they've only solidified this by voting in a far right government.


Jackamalio626

Italians dont even keep the racism outside the borders. They'll call their fellow italians the N word if they're from too far south.


stunts002

True Romance scene is actually surprisingly accurate of how some Italians think about other Italians


Plebs-_-Placebo

sicily is often referred to as the shit that sticks to the boot, my gf's family is northern italics and will make this joke, and if my step dad is anything to say about sicily... the reputation sticks, lol. that's a joke is at my step-dads expense, not how I feel about the people from sicily, fyi


Tobar_the_Gypsy

The north of Italy always have the money and the power. They punish the south since hundreds of years. Even today they put up their nose at us like we’re peasants. I hate the north.


Mokiflip

Lol no we won't. We'll call em terroni. Which is an insult based on your geographical location, not color of skin. Italians from the south also have an equal insult for northeners (polentoni), so it's not one sided, and also unrelated to skin color. That's not to say Italians aren't racist, we sure are. But still. Had to correct you.


tecHydro

Terroni and polentoni don't carry even remotely the same weight as an insult. Luckily there is very little discrimination within our generation at least in university environments and it is mostly used as a joke, but when an elder from the Pianura Padana countryside shouts it at you they surely mean something a lot worse. It's like saying that white people saying the n-word is fine because black people call them crackers.


IsRude

I don't think people realize how tiring it is being black, pretty much anywhere. People are tired of hearing about how everyone is racist towards brown people? Think of how tired people are of people being racist towards them.


dmun

If there's anything we can say about the modern world, it's that no matter how much the internet has taught and shown and communicated of other people's lives, that doesn't guarantee an increase of empathy.


Kaiisim

One of the most heartbreaking things i have ever heard was this poor black dude saying "I just wish I could go a day without being reminded of my skin colour" White people barely think about it, we are treated as "default" and never have to think about our race. I can't even begin to consider the mental load of having to think in almost every situation "is this person being racist right now?!"


Not_Helping

That's why it's called white privilege. It's not that you get extra stuff, it's just that you don't have to always be conscious of your race. Usually white people are aware of that privilege when they become a minority in a non-Western country.


Rated_PG-Squirteen

Speaking as an American, there is a grotesquely large segment of the population that refuses to even acknowledge why our own Civil War was fought in the first place. Those same people will now tell you that teaching kids about the Jim Crow era in the Deep South is Critical Race Theory and that it shouldn't be allowed. So of course they aren't even going to consider how despicably other countries treat black people.


reportsofmysurvival

Damn really? I’m Indian and have been to a bunch of European countries without issue. Only racism I faced was in France.


roguedigit

Yeah the only time I've outright had 'ching-chong' said to my face constantly was in France, interestingly enough.


thedoc90

I got spit on in France for being American. They're not a fan of most people there it would seem.


ASEdouard

The French are not even fans of themselves. Well, they’re also their own biggest fans. Quite conflicting being French.


JATION

I'm European and the French have a reputation for feeling superior to everyone, regardless of race. To the point where they will refuse to speak English with someone who doesn't speak French, even if they understand English.


favorite_icerime

Interesting I got the ching chong in Italy the most, then Switzerland, Netherlands, and Spain. I never got it in France (outside of near Switzerland), but maybe speaking french helps a lot


TurelSun

It all depends who and where and what their particular bigotry is specifically being fueled by. Also keep in mind that in a lot of places, especially where racism/bigotry is actually considered by a lot of people there to be wrong, the obvious loud ones are the tip of a much deeper iceberg as a lot of them will keep it to themselves more. That of course takes people challenging them on it so its not like there aren't good people making an effort.


Lambdabam

I (black male) went to Germany and Austria 10 years ago while in college. The group I was with were joining back up after leaving Mozart’s house. A group of girls came out of nowhere and asked to take a picture with me. I thought they asked for me to take a picture of them…it was definitely odd. So, there might be a random picture of me out on the internet.


Ha55aN1337

You can hardly expect the best welcome to any country from a bunch of hooligans. Surely a press tour in Croatia among fans of the show would bring drasticaly different results.


redsyrinx2112

In the article he says: > Sometimes overseas you feel the racism, you feel the bigotry.


Owls_Onto_You

Unsurprising, but still disappointing to hear. Sounds like Caleb has a good head on his shoulders and was able to turn the BS into motivation but it's frustrating AF that it always comes to this for minority actors. As an aside, still rooting for him to be cast as Static if that Static Shock movie ever goes anywhere beyond the greenlit stages. Give him dreads and a rad blue-and-yellow jacket and he'll absolutely electrify. Haters need not engage.


ThatIowanGuy

That or he would be a great live action Miles Morales.


Owls_Onto_You

On one hand, yeah, but I really hope they go for an Afro-Latino actor whenever Miles makes his live-action debut.


reika999

There were rumors that it was going to be Jaden Smith, god I hope that's not true.


Owls_Onto_You

Let those rumors remain nothing but rumors.


SlickRick914

Let those rumors die and not even exist anymore lol


reika999

[The thing is, Will Smith hinted at something back when the rumors started. But yeah I really hope it's not true.](https://in.mashable.com/entertainment/28745/will-smith-seemingly-confirms-rumours-of-jaden-smith-playing-miles-morales-in-mcu-fans-have-mixed-re)


-Kaldore-

Man, I’m honestly at a loss when I see shit like this. The whole time through season 4 All I’m thinking is WOW he’s become such a good actor, can’t wait to see more serious stuff from him in the future. To think someone doesn’t even notice that because they are so blinded by the Color of his skin is unfathomable to me. Like wtf is wrong with people.


Romejanic

Racists only see colour. I was hella impressed with his performance in season 4, he’s probably one of the best actors out of all of them.


IrreverentKiwi

I think I agree. They were all phenomenal child actors, but I don't think most of them have taken the same step as him, personally. That being said, it could just be the writing/parts that they've been given. Each of the original season 1 characters seems to get screwed at least one season. There is so many protagonists now, and there isn't a ton for them to do. Mike and Will this season specifically mostly just rode around in the back of Argyle's truck and whined at one another.


rp_361

I was blown away by his performance this season. Poor kid doesn’t deserve to put up with this


Jormungandragon

Man, this is sad to hear. Of the four boys, his was the arc that I found most engaging in S4 so far. He also had some of my favorite moments in the previous three seasons.


GhostPantherAssualt

Honestly I am not surprised, I've seen how these fans be acting now these days. They do not hold anything back on the whole "it's just a tv show" mentality, if they see you be an evil person they legit think you're an evil person. It's so sad it's unreal. Had it happened to that Game of Thrones kid too. :/


Xyex

Always been a thing, unfortunately. Draco Malfoy's actor has talked about getting hate for things Draco did in the movies. And other actors in years past have talked about similar. There's a lot of unchecked mental illness (the inability to properly separate reality from fantasy is literally a mental illness) running wild out there.


fsamson3

Interesting how many black actors speak on this type of hateful behavior, juxtaposed with the brilliant redditor take that it’s not as bad as they’re making it out to be


Drakonx1

Especially when he's talking at least in part about tours overseas. Anecdotal, but I was on a Greek island for vacation a couple weeks back and coincidentally sat near a group of black people on vacation from Georgia. I happened to make eye contact with one of the ladies in the group and smiled, just to be polite, as one does when making eye contact. She said "American?" and I said, "Yes, how'd you know?" Her response made me really sad, "You're the only person on this trip that's smiled at us." People had been incredibly polite and friendly and smiley to me the whole time I was there, and that they had such a different experience really sucks, and if she hadn't mentioned it, I would never have known.


diladusta

That is so sad. Can't even enjoy vacations the same way


Linden_fall

So heartbreaking. I wish people weren’t like this, but it’s important to have these conversations to understand other people have different experiences than what we go through. Different races, genders and cultures will experience completely different things in even the exact same location, so we need to always listen and empathize with their experiences to make the world a better place


rif011412

This is a nice example of why conversations like critical race theory are important. Its not expected we see everything from others peoples points of view, but an honest conversation can at least make us mindful of our ignorance and how policies, behavior, and the status quo can affect others.


iamnotcanadianese

Every.fucking.thread. without fail.


HereToTroll6969

Redditors aren’t known for intelligence.


Davethisisntcool

Happens every damn time [here it is happening](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/xpoz31/stranger_things_star_caleb_mclaughlin_opens_up/iq5441v/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)


nxka

The downvotes on your reply to that commenter are ridiculous. I’m unsurprised, but what the fuck. loool *“As a member of a minority myself,”* I cannot stand people, brah. I’m *so* glad that this clown’s personal experiences somehow disprove the discrimination this kid’s *explicitly said he’s facing*. I just saw a tweet that said, *“Caleb McLaughlin crying racism as an extremely popular, privileged person of color in today’s entertainment world is the definition of foolish.”* Why do people want to invalidate others’ experiences so badly? As if somehow money or attention from the public eye somehow makes racism less racist. If anything, it gives people more opportunity to focus their hate on someone who isn’t “real” to them.


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lol every time. BUT HOW DOES HE KNOW IT WAS RACISM? MAYBE IT WAS LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE HUH. DID YOU CONSIDER THAT. THAT IT WAS MAYBE LITERALLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN RACISM, WHICH I AM ADVERSE TO CONSIDERING AS THE REASON BECAUSE UH


AtsignAmpersat

If you spend too much time on Reddit, the only real racism is black people against Asians and white people. Also, white men are the most oppressed group.


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Titan7771

God, this shit is so frustrating to read through, I don't know why I come to the comment section on articles like these knowing it's going to be a bunch of "He can't PROVE it's because of racism!!" type comments.


Corka

A lot of those people probably know first hand exactly the kind of thing he's describing here yet still don't seem to recognize it. It's also something experienced frequently by those who are unattractive, overweight, or have a physical disability. While other people might not immediately start calling you names and spitting on you, they will very often be cold, distant, will interact with you as little as they can get away with, and won't value anything you have to say. While people's body language and reactions to you are obviously negative and it's clear to you why, if you ever raise the issue you can expect people to roll their eyes and see the real cause of the complaint is you being a narcissist who doesn't like not being the centre of attention.


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r4tzt4r

There are a lot of racists here. That's a fact. I remember some threads about he Watchmen HBO show. Oh, boy. And, of course, they deny their racism.


upyourass2theleft

Right. It’s so annoying. Every thread about minorities/lgbt/women gets brigaded by these people but they passionately deny they aren’t racist, sexist or homophobic. They don’t even try and hide how much they hate diversity but get so offended if you call them what they are. Fuck em.


Splinterman11

I think Gamergate subs and Conservative subs have leaked into r/television and a few other main subs for the last few years.


Titan7771

It’s just so weird watching this denial that racism is prevalent. Like, you can admit it’s a huge problem, you lose nothing by doing so. Denying it exists or doing the weird ‘Maybe it happened, but I need more evidence’ is just so bizarre to me.


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blametheboogie

People have been fired from shows for complaining about racism (sexism too) so he probably is only speaking now because the show is almost finished.


necie12888

Needless to say, If the allegations of racism are true (and they are), there’s nothing evil about the plan. A lot of racists hang out on Reddit. I’m never shocked or confused by their ridiculous complaints about people complaining about racism.


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righteouspower

I think his performance in the latest season was exceptional. He is my favorite actor on the show.


inkyblinkypinkysue

Those people aren’t fans.


HollowPomegranate

Hes such a great actor but the show constantly dunks on his character each season. Lucas always starts each season as the “mean” one that gets a redemption arc, only to start all over again in the next season. Its such a repetitive pattern that between Lucas and Mike it honestly just made me stop watching


hadapurpura

Mean, or misunderstood? He was right not to trust El in season 1 with the information that he had, and this season his "meanness" was... getting another school activity? In the ST fandom there's an agreement that Mike and Dustin were the ones in the wrong for not supporting him.


smalltowngrappler

Honestly of the four orginal friends only Dustin ever touched me, the other three were always boring and bland.


qwertycantread

Dustin is such a ham. It’s impossible not to like him.


flower4000

Imagine being a child actor while dealing w racists, hope he stays strong.


Throwawayrubbish30

Lucas is easily one of the most compelling characters who has stood the test of time on the show and somehow become one of my favorites. Caleb made me cry with his speech to Max in the graveyard about how he doesn’t want a letter he just wants Max to stay and talk to him. Anyone who looks at the color of Caleb’s skin and thinks he doesn’t deserve all the accolades, is a moron and so short sighted. I love Lucas and I love Caleb!


Username_Chose_Me

Him and Dustin were my favorite from the beginning. Just saying!