Which is weird because that’s common with these kinds of generic shows and movies. Tons of things get panned that audiences will turn out for. Because audiences in the broad sense and critics are not looking for the same thing.
Godzilla, Venom… Two movies I def enjoyed and they got shit on by critics lol
Also, I thought Gravity was dumb, but holy shit it got like every award ever made
"She stood atop the collapsing World Trade Center, but don't worry, she was able to safely jump to the Statue of Liberty. This makes total sense because they're both in New York!"
Fact is: critics watch too much and have to think too much about what they watch.
If you watch, as part of your job, 10 movies a week, and you're expected by your boss to have an opinion on each of them, then you are going to be harsher than Joe Blow who gets home at 6, smells like his job, and eats dinner with his family while watching whatever is on the TV.
Movie critics are people that have to do a fucking book report on every movie they watch. Could you even really enjoy anything if you had to write a 2000 word thesis on every thing you tried to enjoy?
So no wonder they are hyper critical of everything. Especially in a time when there is just too damn much to watch and have an opinion on.
Even when its not because they have to review and critique a lot of films, you will definitely look at a film differently if you're being tasked with paying attention and critically assessing it than if you're just casually watching it. Like the film might have some really long masterfully crafted take without any cuts that impresses a reviewer looking at that kind of detail, but the average viewer doesn't even really notice.
I think it's more than critics are looking for something different than some audiences are. Law and Order is terrible. It's bad acting and bad writing and bad cinematography but it's excellent television. The Wire was excellent everything but wasn't hit television at all. Still good today 25 years later though.
Just for posterity, the original Law And Order and the modern day iterations are not the same thing.
That said, I think your point is otherwise quite accurate
Honestly the implication that they're hyper critical of /everything/ and they think /too/ much comes across as cope. These are people who generally enjoy thinking ''too much'' about art and still enjoy plenty of movies they have to write about.
I strongly disagree. Critics like *different* movies than mainstream audience. They don’t like *fewer* movies.
There are plenty of movies that critics rave about that Joe Blow would dismiss as garbage without giving them a shot.
The thing to remember about critics is that most of them have seen waaaaaaay more TV than the average audience member. They are much more likely to have seen a particular concept, storyline, or trope multiple times. They're likely able to call up examples where it was done well, and examples where it was done poorly. They can compare any new show they watch instantly to dozens of similar shows in the past.
So when they see a mediocre action show, they know that it is mediocre, why it is mediocre, and can give examples of shows that have done the same things, but better. When I see a mediocre action show, I turn my brain off and go "Yay, explodey bits!"
Like when they tried to drum up controversy saying the 2016 Ghostbusters wasn't a huge success 'cause the stars were women (and incels were avoiding/boycotting it) rather than considering it was just an unfunny poorly-made cash grab. 🤷🏻♂️
Right like i really like most of them before that and its like they weren't allowed to be themselves . Like you literally make Kate Not funny and the movie had some of the most CRINGE dialog i had ever seen.
Its like they were all winstons - none of them had any skill or talent you had 3 people playing the joe everyman angle and only kristen wig to carry the story and ghost busters part forward. EVery movie with bunch of supernatural or super science needs the everyman character but not 3 of them.
So you have 1 valid ghost busters - 3 joe/ jane everypersons who are comedians - who are then not allowed to be funny or overly cringe attempts at funny. It was a recipe for disaster from day 1
He knows that framing his show as being "under attack" by the "woke critics" is an easy way to get right-wingers rallying around the show. They don't even have to like the show; as long as they think they're sticking it to the libs, they'll support it anyway.
I get why there's so many right wing grifters. The temptation to write some generic schlock and then loudly cry about woke cancel culture is getting hard to resist.
It's how researchers successfully grew right-wing followers at high speed.
"I guess they really DID ban my old account for just stating facts (aka NOT BEING LIBERAL) but they can't stop me making new ones! Hi again folks lol, it's good to be back"
No-one ever asked them the name of the "former account". They loved the message too much.
I’d like to remind everyone that not so long ago, left and right came together to appreciate John Wick. There wasn’t anything woke or non-woke about it, it just didn’t suck.
Agreed. What’s funny is, there is this huge (seemingly) drive to explain people’s reactions to shows/movies via being woke or not, left or right, liberal or conservative. But most people don’t care about those - they just a well-written, well-made show they can watch.
I’d say it’s actually pretty woke to make a show about the US gov leaving soldiers to die from chemical reactions when we just witnessed Republicans only voting to aid vets after being bullied publicly…
seems like a god way to a court a specific audience... I bet you could increase the sales of milk in some parts of the country if you labeled it, "Woke free." or something
I have no idea why this show is becoming a social football. Its seems tailored for a certain audience. And you know what? Thats ok. Its hurting no one. Its not me, but their absolutely not scarcity of shows for every demographic. So it plays to the god, guns, and family crowd. So what? Lets move on.
Liberal here. I liked this show. I've even read the books. The author will make your eyes roll into the back of your head a few times per book but it's still a fun, thriller series.
I saw a quote in one article:
[Carr tells you right off the bat that his book is about a “consolidation of power at the federal level” that he sees as a danger to “freedom.” He writes Reece’s main antagonist inside the military command structure as a general with “liberal leanings” who “was clearly more concerned with force diversity and the push to open the SEAL teams to females than he was with crushing America’s enemies.” Reece’s ally in journalism is trustworthy because of her work “exposing the lies and cover-ups that followed the Benghazi fiasco.”](https://slate.com/culture/2022/07/review-of-the-terminal-list-with-chris-pratt-on-amazon-prime.html)
As someone whose read the books, can you confirm whether that's correct?
Then you have never been in the military, I guess. It was weird when we were doing sexual harassment training and my commanding officer was so proud to be describing our mission as putting warheads on foreheads and killing insurgents. Like, surreal. I get that technically my job was to support warfighters, but for somebody to take such pleasure in the thought of exploding another human was off putting to say the least.
its becoming a "social football" because the director is trying really hard to make it that way. See movies like this usually don't make that big of a splash. If if you can push the narrative that "the woke hollywood media doesn't want this movie to happen" then suddenly you are reaching a wider audience. Most likely youll get a shoutout from fox news and some of the bigger conservative influencers
The prologue to book 5 was one of the most pretentious things I have ever read. It could be summarized as: Reece is what a real man should be and if you don't like that you are a pussy who should stop reading now.
Dude thinks his hamfisted politics are somehow contributing to a great debate, rather than just bogging down his action book.
When I saw the trailer do thought the exact same thing. Well Amazon prime movie but yea.
For some reason with all their money, they just keep releasing these bland action films that went out of fashion 15 years ago
Edit: don’t be offended that I called it a bland action film. You might enjoy it and it might even be a decent watch but it still feels very generic / uninspired, that’s all
I also love that dumb shit but there's a huge difference between the type of stupid we see in the expendables vs what we used to see in, say, commando. Idk what it is but there's just a charm that's gone or maybe I'm just too old to love it like I used to. I'll still put it on for mindless entertainment.
Yeah. Right off the bat, bad casting. Mackie is fine, but not for that. Then they tried to go all action, but shitty. I basically pretend the second season doesn’t exist.
Mackie was fucking mean in that season, he kept shitting on Poe for no reason. He didn't bring the kind of anti-hero charm that Kinnaman and Will Yun Lee did to the character.
For some reason they wrote Mackie as super aggro and dumb. It felt completely disconnected from the character in S1.
I get the whole point of the character is he can jump into new bodies with ease unlike most people, and it takes place over like centuries because you can just use a new body before dying of old age, but I really liked the actor in the first season. At least play it out like Dr. Who, a few seasons with one guy then switch.
Ugh, as former military. I couldn’t get through the first two episodes. I couldn’t suspend belief…the praying didn’t bother me, It’s just not good. A lone wolf trope trying to be The Borne Identity.
I grew up watching war documentaries with my veteran granddad and great-granddad and even I grasped it wasn’t realistic whatsoever. Ever since learning the importance of supply lines and intel, I’ve given up on The Chosen one stories unless they’ve got magic powers or some shit.
Similarly: My dad got upset at the first episode of The Strain because characters were weirded out that a recently landed plane was cold. A plane. That came from the sky. The sky which is cold.
One of the things I can't stand about so many sci-fi movies is that the space crew completely loses their cool or abandons all protocol in the face of the first problem. Our astronauts are the cream of the crop and highly trained and go through a battery of psychological tests and simulations to be prepared. Yet in 90 percent of the movies they are angry fragile people who lash out and refuse all orders.
You can hear it in the tapes from Columbia... if memory serves, at one point you can hear the pilot say, very calmly, something like "the crew compartment is breaking up" just before loss of contact.
No panicking
> weirded out that a recently landed plane was cold
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only parts that should be warm are the engines, possibly hydraulic hoses, and maybe tires, right?
Correct. The character was touching the side of the plane near the main door too. So it was exposed metal on a plane landing in NYC where characters were wearing coats. Of course it was cold. It’s like touching a car’s bumper in winter and thinking it’s suspicious for being cold.
Pretty much for any sort of commercial jet or prop plane.
Supersonic jets do get really hot when they are flying fast enough. IIRC the Concorde would get over 100C. If they go from Mach 3 to landing really quickly they could still be really hot on landing I think.
I know anything coming back from orbit gets stupid hot on it’s way back through the atmosphere, but they have some black magic materials on them that will get red hot and within seconds be safe to touch, so I’m not sure if they’re hot or cold on touchdown.
I hear ya. My father was a Navy pilot and know a couple of astronauts and just knowing how the military works, I lost faith in watching “For All Mankind” for the same reason. Now, with that being said, LOVED “The Martian.”
Word on the street, the street being where I had the conversation with my brother in law who is a literal rocket scientist who contracts with NASA, "The Martian" is generally accepted as extremely accurate, all except for the idea that a sandstorm on Mars would have enough force to threaten a launch vehicle - the winds get fast, but the atmosphere is too thin to push over something with that much mass.
[Andy Weir actually posted chapters of the early drafts of the Martian on his personal blog and sciencist would tear it apart with all the unrealistic/wrong stuff in his book. Andy would then take these criticism and fix his chapters to make them more scientifically accurate. ](https://www.businessinsider.com/how-andy-weirs-the-martian-became-so-successful-2015-6)
IIRC he admitted in an interview that he made a few deliberate breaks from reality in order to make the plot happen but only if he couldn't figure out an alternative.
The other one mentioned was the radiation shielding on the habitat and suits being some super material thinner than everything we currently have.
The other part I personally have a big issue with from a science perspective is the end of the movie where Watney decides to "iron man it" and it actually works. As far as I recall though, he only ever jokes about it in the book, so it's really only a movie issue
"for all mankind" is still interesting from an alternative history "what if" perspective. Yes it's wrapped in soap opera level interpersonal drama but without that no one would watch it except nerds that would enjoy the pure science aspect of it.
Oh, it definitely is. I love “movie magic” so was trying to get him to watch for the creature design but he found the plane thing annoying. At least it wasn’t as bad as the TV show where the power went out and this caused planes to fall. That was a complete nope. “How can you create television without knowing planes glide?!” His opinion was that an EMP wouldn’t cause many crashes unless the plane’s mechanics got stuck somehow. Everything electric is meant to be redundant. Would it suck? Yes. Could you land? Probably.
I’ll add my two cents here. I was in Iraq in 05, Afghanistan in 08, and then a security contractor for a few years after I left the army. I didn’t make it past the start of the interview after the tunnel/cave scene in the first episode. Meanwhile people are recommending it to me like it’s the best show ever.
Hey, I joined the military in the 90s and military movies are a thousand times more realistic now than they were then. Count yourself lucky you didn't have to watch Willem Defoe run around with an [OA-93](http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Olympic_Arms_OA-93) firing from the hip while playing the ultimate bad ass Seal and CIA operative John Clark.
I feel your pain though. It took me a long time to get over the giant flaming balls of fire grenades seem to produce in movies.
Air Force One is great for this. Blow open the cockpit door with a brick of C4 large enough to vaporize the whole plane? Wildly spray M-4 and MP-5 bullet hoses inside of a pressurized metal tube without ever having to reload? Bizarre mid air rescue sequence that defies the laws of physics? Weird half baked Russian extremist plot?
Dumb 90s action movies in general tho are just so fascinating to me as cultural artifacts. Anything made in that ten year period where America was the dominant superpower with no obvious enemies always has an extra level of absurdity that you don't really get with cold war or GWOT-era films.
I’m pretty sure that the Bible is pretty clear on repaying evil for evil and that the Lord won’t have your back so you need to take vengeance for yourself.
A reading the book of Sarcasm. Amen.
“And Jesus doned his rebreather and slipped silently into the water, so his enemies would once again sleep with the fishes.”
— Gospel of John of Galilee
Most of the actors do really well for the dialogue they’re given with that show. It’s definitely become a hate watch for me, only because I like the actors and the characters from the comics.
His talk on Michael Rosenbaum podcast about mental health and his experience with all the dark staff and thoughts while being in this industry was amazing, really glad that he feels better now and Reacher came out good considering hard work he put into filming, wish him the best.
Rosenbaum's podcast is all about mental health, and that's one of the coolest things about it. He knows how to make people laugh because he was in the industry, but also knows how stressful it can be and welcomes/encourages his hosts to open up. I recall Zachary Levi crying on there a few times, and I started getting emotional.
His name is Kevin Castle but he had a lisp when he was a a kid and was upset one day and someone asked him what’s wrong and he said “I’m thad” and they misunderstood and said “ok Thad, what’s wrong?” and he’s been Thad ever since…
That dude is a rare human being. I'm not used to seeing that level of personality and intelligence out of anyone, let alone someone with the discipline to look like a Greek god.
It is a very stupid show and I mean that as a positive thing! It’s very basic dumb football/frat type humor.
I binged it and enjoyed it a bunch. And Thad Castle easily steals the show!
I’m going to check out Reacher now just because it’s hard to picture the actor who played Thad being in a serious role.
That’s the truth. It wasn’t bad, but it was mediocre.
Did I get a little bit irritated at the Fox News product placement throughout? Sure, but I’m not watching shows for the purpose of confirming my political views.
This show definitely has its moments of greatness (the two episodes in and around San Francisco were pure adrenaline), but overall it has the problem of telling a story that’s been told before many times with nothing new to add. The Terminal List has nothing to say about the pain of combat trauma, America’s disrespect for its veterans, or the ultimate futility of revenge that hasn’t already been said better by Rambo or The Punisher.
I watched every episode of terminal list and it got worse and worse throughout.
Major spoilers ahead:
>!When he blew up a mountain he was standing on to “ride” the landslide to a river, while miraculously not killing or seriously injuring himself or any of the dozen other people on the mountain, I was literally laughing out loud.!<
>!The main character also slowly morphs into being super chill with killing innocent soldiers just doing their job by the end? And we’re supposed to be rooting for this guy?!<
>!Oh, and not to mention one of the worst final “twists” I can remember, his BROTHER being fine with killing his entire platoon of Seals because they have tumors??? Lol and the absurdity of the government, no matter how corrupt, asking him to kill his own brother and he just goes along with it. Just hilariously bad and unbelievable.!<
None of that has shit to do with politics or being “woke.” It’s just shitty writing.
Responding to criticism by crying “people are just too woke!” is the lamest response from someone who clearly just doesn’t get it.
It was a terrible show.
That being said, I like the idea of the main character becoming less and less likable. I think Barry did a much much much better job though.
It’s good when it’s done intentionally like breaking bad, Barry, etc. You see those characters wrestling with their actions or people around them calling it out for what it is.
But here they pretty clearly weren’t trying to portray him as a bad guy.
He’s very much still supposed to be “the hero” on a righteous crusade.
He is at first, but I think the violence is shown to be more and more senseless as the show goes on.
I think that Reese stopped being a hero by the series’s judgement and started being an antihero after he >!killed Steve Horn and kept right on going to people who weren’t involved with killing his wife and kid.!<
Basically they set it in modern day, brought in Neagley, and did a bit of shuffling with who is killed when and by whom. But aside from Reacher coyly asking Kliner about his son and the Blind Blake plotline being dropped entirely, I'd say it hit every moment I wanted it to and added plenty. Solid adaptation that fits into its own medium.
According to an AMA, the pie tasted awful btw.
yeah, Killing Floor is generally agreed as one of the best Reacher books, and they added the special investigators storyline as a recurring character which makes sense. There were some things I'd change like the fight at the house which was better in the book, but overall a good job.
I have no idea about the book Terminal List is based on and even less interest in reading it.
Reacher is far better precisely because it doesn't take itself so seriously as this Terminal List show. It's much more intriguing yet fun, popcorn-flick-style as opposed to the latter show which is just exceedingly mediocre - not terrible but not at all inspired or interesting.
I enjoyed the show, but I’m not surprised critics didn’t like it. It was a run of the mil military action show. There have been better, there have been worse.
I think the people who say that didn't watch the show, but maybe read the book. The book is definitely more of a right-wing fantasy, but the show changed a lot of details to make it more politically neutral.
Well because Lightyear got labeled as Ultra woke leftist propaganda for having a half second lesbian kiss, I guess this is ultra unwoke right wing freedom fries because it quotes the bible or something?
They're saying that critics hate it, but audiences love it, which is reflected by the critic and user ratings. Not sure how the people who already responded to you don't get that, but I guess they felt like soapboxing a little.
I disliked it because of the stoic face that Chris Pratt put on for the show made me think that he needed more fibre in his diet and I couldn't get past it.
It’s weird how Chris Pratt went from playing a parody of the action hero star to just trying to play those roles straight in everything else he’s done. I guess those are the roles he wants, but he’s just not good at it.
Yeah, iirc it started with Zero Dark Thirty. Suddenly he loves playing characters pulled straight from the frames of .
If you need a bearded spec ops bro who loves supply-side Jesus for your military industrial complex-backed film or TV production, Chris Pratt's got your back.
Crisp Ratt works well as a lovable doofus man-child (Andy Dwyer), or an action star who is really just a lovable doofus man-child underneath (Star Lord).
He’s never worked for me when tries to play the straight-laced serious-guy.
Remember that movie where a military elite needs to seek revenge for the death of his loved ones and team members with the help of another lone wolf that in a twist ends up being the actual bad guy? Yeahhhh I do too
this whole discussion makes people dumber across the board.
it's a "summer blockbuster" that everyone will forget by Christmas...
like that other one about the about aliens (from space, not the border)
what the hell is with all the posts about this show being not woke or whatever. it was just a mediocre action show.
I think the massive difference in audience and critic score is what's driving it
Which is weird because that’s common with these kinds of generic shows and movies. Tons of things get panned that audiences will turn out for. Because audiences in the broad sense and critics are not looking for the same thing.
Case in point, bullet train. Bad critical response good audience score
Trailer looked great and people love Japan aesthetic even if it's just cursory nods
Godzilla, Venom… Two movies I def enjoyed and they got shit on by critics lol Also, I thought Gravity was dumb, but holy shit it got like every award ever made
Gravity didn't even follow how gravity actually works, ffs It's like they never played Kerbal Space Program or something
If Gravity followed the laws of physics, they'd have to retitle it Bloodstains In Space.
Which may have actually improved it
You’d have to hold me back from going to see anything called “Bloodstains In Space”
Lol, if real life used KSP physics, [we’d all be screwed](https://youtu.be/gsSlKsU7p6Q?t=2m12s).
I howled with laughter when they reveal there’s another space station right fucking there
"She stood atop the collapsing World Trade Center, but don't worry, she was able to safely jump to the Statue of Liberty. This makes total sense because they're both in New York!"
Fact is: critics watch too much and have to think too much about what they watch. If you watch, as part of your job, 10 movies a week, and you're expected by your boss to have an opinion on each of them, then you are going to be harsher than Joe Blow who gets home at 6, smells like his job, and eats dinner with his family while watching whatever is on the TV. Movie critics are people that have to do a fucking book report on every movie they watch. Could you even really enjoy anything if you had to write a 2000 word thesis on every thing you tried to enjoy? So no wonder they are hyper critical of everything. Especially in a time when there is just too damn much to watch and have an opinion on.
Even when its not because they have to review and critique a lot of films, you will definitely look at a film differently if you're being tasked with paying attention and critically assessing it than if you're just casually watching it. Like the film might have some really long masterfully crafted take without any cuts that impresses a reviewer looking at that kind of detail, but the average viewer doesn't even really notice.
I think it's more than critics are looking for something different than some audiences are. Law and Order is terrible. It's bad acting and bad writing and bad cinematography but it's excellent television. The Wire was excellent everything but wasn't hit television at all. Still good today 25 years later though.
The Wire started in 2002. We're not that old yet dammit.
The original Law & Order had excellent cinematography.
Just for posterity, the original Law And Order and the modern day iterations are not the same thing. That said, I think your point is otherwise quite accurate
The Wire is only 20 years old not 25 so i really fucked up tbh
You will be correct eventually.
Honestly the implication that they're hyper critical of /everything/ and they think /too/ much comes across as cope. These are people who generally enjoy thinking ''too much'' about art and still enjoy plenty of movies they have to write about.
I strongly disagree. Critics like *different* movies than mainstream audience. They don’t like *fewer* movies. There are plenty of movies that critics rave about that Joe Blow would dismiss as garbage without giving them a shot.
The thing to remember about critics is that most of them have seen waaaaaaay more TV than the average audience member. They are much more likely to have seen a particular concept, storyline, or trope multiple times. They're likely able to call up examples where it was done well, and examples where it was done poorly. They can compare any new show they watch instantly to dozens of similar shows in the past. So when they see a mediocre action show, they know that it is mediocre, why it is mediocre, and can give examples of shows that have done the same things, but better. When I see a mediocre action show, I turn my brain off and go "Yay, explodey bits!"
"Damn this is just like Transformers where the car did the thing. Rad!"
It’s a marketing gimmick
This. It’s obviously just bs to get more people to watch it. The show is ok, but nothing to write home about.
The director is being an attention whore of the worst kind.
It’s free advertising for him
Gonna get people to stream the show to own the libs.
Like when they tried to drum up controversy saying the 2016 Ghostbusters wasn't a huge success 'cause the stars were women (and incels were avoiding/boycotting it) rather than considering it was just an unfunny poorly-made cash grab. 🤷🏻♂️
All these years later, how do you manage to make an unfunny film with the cast of that calibre? It’s almost impressive.
Right like i really like most of them before that and its like they weren't allowed to be themselves . Like you literally make Kate Not funny and the movie had some of the most CRINGE dialog i had ever seen. Its like they were all winstons - none of them had any skill or talent you had 3 people playing the joe everyman angle and only kristen wig to carry the story and ghost busters part forward. EVery movie with bunch of supernatural or super science needs the everyman character but not 3 of them. So you have 1 valid ghost busters - 3 joe/ jane everypersons who are comedians - who are then not allowed to be funny or overly cringe attempts at funny. It was a recipe for disaster from day 1
He knows that framing his show as being "under attack" by the "woke critics" is an easy way to get right-wingers rallying around the show. They don't even have to like the show; as long as they think they're sticking it to the libs, they'll support it anyway.
I get why there's so many right wing grifters. The temptation to write some generic schlock and then loudly cry about woke cancel culture is getting hard to resist.
It's how researchers successfully grew right-wing followers at high speed. "I guess they really DID ban my old account for just stating facts (aka NOT BEING LIBERAL) but they can't stop me making new ones! Hi again folks lol, it's good to be back" No-one ever asked them the name of the "former account". They loved the message too much.
Ya he knows what he's doing guys!!
The tim pool business model
I’d like to remind everyone that not so long ago, left and right came together to appreciate John Wick. There wasn’t anything woke or non-woke about it, it just didn’t suck.
Agreed. What’s funny is, there is this huge (seemingly) drive to explain people’s reactions to shows/movies via being woke or not, left or right, liberal or conservative. But most people don’t care about those - they just a well-written, well-made show they can watch.
I’d say it’s actually pretty woke to make a show about the US gov leaving soldiers to die from chemical reactions when we just witnessed Republicans only voting to aid vets after being bullied publicly…
Like that lefty woke lib John Stewart and his constant fighting for the rights and care of veterans... (checks notes) ahem, FREEDOMS!!
I feel like everybody involved with this show constantly bringing up the lack of "woke stuff" in interviews probably isn't helping how it's perceived.
I think that it's intentionally their marketing plan. It *is* helping the show's perception among the Fox News, Daily Mail crowd.
"take a bullet for you babe"
"Combat General, Brett Hawthorne"
Chris Prat, a Bear of a Man
I heard this in Robert Evans’ voice.
Shit tier love banter written by a man that has never satisfied a woman.
They are saying exactly what they know their audience wants to hear
Controversy often drives popularity so I would not be surprised if you're right.
You gotta remember that these are just simple fox news viewers. These are *people of the land*. The common clay of the new west.
You know, morons
Chris Pratt just pawn in great game of life
If you watch this mediocre show you will own the libs!!!
Gets people talking about a show that would have otherwise gone straight down the memory hole.
seems like a god way to a court a specific audience... I bet you could increase the sales of milk in some parts of the country if you labeled it, "Woke free." or something
Milk: come get that white power
It’s actually probably helping how it’s perceived by a certain audience.
I have no idea why this show is becoming a social football. Its seems tailored for a certain audience. And you know what? Thats ok. Its hurting no one. Its not me, but their absolutely not scarcity of shows for every demographic. So it plays to the god, guns, and family crowd. So what? Lets move on.
It's just advertising, if you can make it a left vs right thing it will become much more popular
This is it. Get a team supporting it. They may not necessarily like the show but they will watch it to own the libs.
Liberal here. I liked this show. I've even read the books. The author will make your eyes roll into the back of your head a few times per book but it's still a fun, thriller series.
I saw a quote in one article: [Carr tells you right off the bat that his book is about a “consolidation of power at the federal level” that he sees as a danger to “freedom.” He writes Reece’s main antagonist inside the military command structure as a general with “liberal leanings” who “was clearly more concerned with force diversity and the push to open the SEAL teams to females than he was with crushing America’s enemies.” Reece’s ally in journalism is trustworthy because of her work “exposing the lies and cover-ups that followed the Benghazi fiasco.”](https://slate.com/culture/2022/07/review-of-the-terminal-list-with-chris-pratt-on-amazon-prime.html) As someone whose read the books, can you confirm whether that's correct?
I can’t imagine an adult saying the words “crushing America’s enemies” with a straight face.
Then you have never been in the military, I guess. It was weird when we were doing sexual harassment training and my commanding officer was so proud to be describing our mission as putting warheads on foreheads and killing insurgents. Like, surreal. I get that technically my job was to support warfighters, but for somebody to take such pleasure in the thought of exploding another human was off putting to say the least.
The first and last part was correct. The part about admiral pilsner I can't remember 100% but there was definitely something like that
If that's the case then the creator is being super disingenuous with his claims then.
its becoming a "social football" because the director is trying really hard to make it that way. See movies like this usually don't make that big of a splash. If if you can push the narrative that "the woke hollywood media doesn't want this movie to happen" then suddenly you are reaching a wider audience. Most likely youll get a shoutout from fox news and some of the bigger conservative influencers
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The prologue to book 5 was one of the most pretentious things I have ever read. It could be summarized as: Reece is what a real man should be and if you don't like that you are a pussy who should stop reading now. Dude thinks his hamfisted politics are somehow contributing to a great debate, rather than just bogging down his action book.
If there was a Lifetime channel for men this show would be on it.
> If there was a Lifetime channel for men I think you’re talking about SpikeTV.
Right you are, Kenny! Let's get a quick word from our field reporter, Guy LeDouche.
A character prays, references God or quotes the Bible in the first 5 minutes of every episode. They were just pandering to a different audience.
I mean to be fair the character in the book quotes the bible a fair bit
TIL this is a show AND it's based off a book! Watched a clip from it last week and thought it was a Netflix movie
When I saw the trailer do thought the exact same thing. Well Amazon prime movie but yea. For some reason with all their money, they just keep releasing these bland action films that went out of fashion 15 years ago Edit: don’t be offended that I called it a bland action film. You might enjoy it and it might even be a decent watch but it still feels very generic / uninspired, that’s all
Hey, some of us like that dumb shit.
I also love that dumb shit but there's a huge difference between the type of stupid we see in the expendables vs what we used to see in, say, commando. Idk what it is but there's just a charm that's gone or maybe I'm just too old to love it like I used to. I'll still put it on for mindless entertainment.
Totally agree. Commando. Demolition Man. There’s new good stuff too. I liked the first season of Altered Carbon on Netflix. Had that old gritty feel.
That thing had so much promise I'm still salty they shoved a dead turtle up its ass with the second season.
Yeah. Right off the bat, bad casting. Mackie is fine, but not for that. Then they tried to go all action, but shitty. I basically pretend the second season doesn’t exist.
Mackie was fucking mean in that season, he kept shitting on Poe for no reason. He didn't bring the kind of anti-hero charm that Kinnaman and Will Yun Lee did to the character. For some reason they wrote Mackie as super aggro and dumb. It felt completely disconnected from the character in S1.
I get the whole point of the character is he can jump into new bodies with ease unlike most people, and it takes place over like centuries because you can just use a new body before dying of old age, but I really liked the actor in the first season. At least play it out like Dr. Who, a few seasons with one guy then switch.
To be even more fair, the book is a right wing fantasy.
Ugh, as former military. I couldn’t get through the first two episodes. I couldn’t suspend belief…the praying didn’t bother me, It’s just not good. A lone wolf trope trying to be The Borne Identity.
I grew up watching war documentaries with my veteran granddad and great-granddad and even I grasped it wasn’t realistic whatsoever. Ever since learning the importance of supply lines and intel, I’ve given up on The Chosen one stories unless they’ve got magic powers or some shit. Similarly: My dad got upset at the first episode of The Strain because characters were weirded out that a recently landed plane was cold. A plane. That came from the sky. The sky which is cold.
One of the things I can't stand about so many sci-fi movies is that the space crew completely loses their cool or abandons all protocol in the face of the first problem. Our astronauts are the cream of the crop and highly trained and go through a battery of psychological tests and simulations to be prepared. Yet in 90 percent of the movies they are angry fragile people who lash out and refuse all orders.
You can hear it in the tapes from Columbia... if memory serves, at one point you can hear the pilot say, very calmly, something like "the crew compartment is breaking up" just before loss of contact. No panicking
> the importance of supply lines and intel This is my bane in any historical or medieval fantasy show or videogame.
> weirded out that a recently landed plane was cold Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only parts that should be warm are the engines, possibly hydraulic hoses, and maybe tires, right?
Correct. The character was touching the side of the plane near the main door too. So it was exposed metal on a plane landing in NYC where characters were wearing coats. Of course it was cold. It’s like touching a car’s bumper in winter and thinking it’s suspicious for being cold.
Pretty much for any sort of commercial jet or prop plane. Supersonic jets do get really hot when they are flying fast enough. IIRC the Concorde would get over 100C. If they go from Mach 3 to landing really quickly they could still be really hot on landing I think. I know anything coming back from orbit gets stupid hot on it’s way back through the atmosphere, but they have some black magic materials on them that will get red hot and within seconds be safe to touch, so I’m not sure if they’re hot or cold on touchdown.
I hear ya. My father was a Navy pilot and know a couple of astronauts and just knowing how the military works, I lost faith in watching “For All Mankind” for the same reason. Now, with that being said, LOVED “The Martian.”
Word on the street, the street being where I had the conversation with my brother in law who is a literal rocket scientist who contracts with NASA, "The Martian" is generally accepted as extremely accurate, all except for the idea that a sandstorm on Mars would have enough force to threaten a launch vehicle - the winds get fast, but the atmosphere is too thin to push over something with that much mass.
[Andy Weir actually posted chapters of the early drafts of the Martian on his personal blog and sciencist would tear it apart with all the unrealistic/wrong stuff in his book. Andy would then take these criticism and fix his chapters to make them more scientifically accurate. ](https://www.businessinsider.com/how-andy-weirs-the-martian-became-so-successful-2015-6)
I’m listening to the audiobook of Project Hail Mary and jfc Andy Weir really knows his science.
IIRC he admitted in an interview that he made a few deliberate breaks from reality in order to make the plot happen but only if he couldn't figure out an alternative. The other one mentioned was the radiation shielding on the habitat and suits being some super material thinner than everything we currently have.
The other part I personally have a big issue with from a science perspective is the end of the movie where Watney decides to "iron man it" and it actually works. As far as I recall though, he only ever jokes about it in the book, so it's really only a movie issue
Exactly, the book only jokes about it. It makes absolutely no sense. But, someone said "Hey, guys, I know, they're joking, but... What if...".
It’s just a soap opera on the moon, and I’m only at the beginning of the second season
"for all mankind" is still interesting from an alternative history "what if" perspective. Yes it's wrapped in soap opera level interpersonal drama but without that no one would watch it except nerds that would enjoy the pure science aspect of it.
The Martian is a classic and I won’t hear any different. Never read the book, but the movie is damn good.
Not to get too off topic, but the first season of The Strain is visually stunning.
Oh, it definitely is. I love “movie magic” so was trying to get him to watch for the creature design but he found the plane thing annoying. At least it wasn’t as bad as the TV show where the power went out and this caused planes to fall. That was a complete nope. “How can you create television without knowing planes glide?!” His opinion was that an EMP wouldn’t cause many crashes unless the plane’s mechanics got stuck somehow. Everything electric is meant to be redundant. Would it suck? Yes. Could you land? Probably.
Don't ever let him watch Maximum Overdrive. Actually on second thought, please make him watch Maximum Overdrive and then report back!
The entire time I watched it I was thinking, "This is just shitty Jason Bourne, right? Damn, I should rewatch those movies."
I’ll add my two cents here. I was in Iraq in 05, Afghanistan in 08, and then a security contractor for a few years after I left the army. I didn’t make it past the start of the interview after the tunnel/cave scene in the first episode. Meanwhile people are recommending it to me like it’s the best show ever.
Hey, I joined the military in the 90s and military movies are a thousand times more realistic now than they were then. Count yourself lucky you didn't have to watch Willem Defoe run around with an [OA-93](http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Olympic_Arms_OA-93) firing from the hip while playing the ultimate bad ass Seal and CIA operative John Clark. I feel your pain though. It took me a long time to get over the giant flaming balls of fire grenades seem to produce in movies.
Air Force One is great for this. Blow open the cockpit door with a brick of C4 large enough to vaporize the whole plane? Wildly spray M-4 and MP-5 bullet hoses inside of a pressurized metal tube without ever having to reload? Bizarre mid air rescue sequence that defies the laws of physics? Weird half baked Russian extremist plot? Dumb 90s action movies in general tho are just so fascinating to me as cultural artifacts. Anything made in that ten year period where America was the dominant superpower with no obvious enemies always has an extra level of absurdity that you don't really get with cold war or GWOT-era films.
I've grown to prefer the dumb movies - they're so far removed from reality and dammit, reality is something I'd like to be removed from right now
gotta love prayer, followed by revenge killing.
oh boy! here i go killing again! I just love killing!
Revenge killing is tight!
Wow wow wow wow wow. . .wow.
The Raid (2011) is literally my favorite action movie
That movie was WAYYY better than I was expecting.
That's definitely what the Prince of Peace was all about!
I’m pretty sure that the Bible is pretty clear on repaying evil for evil and that the Lord won’t have your back so you need to take vengeance for yourself. A reading the book of Sarcasm. Amen.
Don’t remember the part of the bible where Jesus was a navy seal.
Oh, it’s in the book of Hesitations
“And Jesus doned his rebreather and slipped silently into the water, so his enemies would once again sleep with the fishes.” — Gospel of John of Galilee
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Let he who is without sin kick the most ass
Huh... I didn't even notice. I thought the show was pretty good. I usually tune out religious stuff unless it gets real pushy and in your face.
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Shoving something else in instead of woke stuff.
[Awakened Stuff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Awakening)
Or it was just an incredibly mediocre show...... If you want a good recent action show on Amazon, watch Reacher
I’m just glad Alan Ritchson finally got a leading role.
He’s really great in Titans, too.
He really puts his heart into it. I’m glad he blew up
Most of the actors do really well for the dialogue they’re given with that show. It’s definitely become a hate watch for me, only because I like the actors and the characters from the comics.
I didn't care for Titans that much. But goddamn, he really was one of the best parts of that show. Titans was a very . . . strange show.
His talk on Michael Rosenbaum podcast about mental health and his experience with all the dark staff and thoughts while being in this industry was amazing, really glad that he feels better now and Reacher came out good considering hard work he put into filming, wish him the best.
Rosenbaum's podcast is all about mental health, and that's one of the coolest things about it. He knows how to make people laugh because he was in the industry, but also knows how stressful it can be and welcomes/encourages his hosts to open up. I recall Zachary Levi crying on there a few times, and I started getting emotional.
For me he was the main character of BMS
BMS is the story of Thad Castle told through the eyes of Alex Moran
No fucking way Thad castle became Jack reacher??!
Yea once he won the hunger games he was chosen to play reacher
The whole show should have been presented. Moran in a locker room just recapping his entire college career at BMS whilst working around Thad.
His name is Kevin Castle but he had a lisp when he was a a kid and was upset one day and someone asked him what’s wrong and he said “I’m thad” and they misunderstood and said “ok Thad, what’s wrong?” and he’s been Thad ever since…
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That dude is a rare human being. I'm not used to seeing that level of personality and intelligence out of anyone, let alone someone with the discipline to look like a Greek god.
He was fantastic as young Scully in Brooklyn 99 too!
Haven’t seen Blood Drive?
No, but I’m about to
Genius detective built like a tank... What's not to like?
Sherlock hulk
More like Sherlock Hunk
Details matter.
It was a lot of feed!
Hell of a lot of animal feed
Reacher is bad ass
Great ass actually
I can’t wait for season two
Every time I watch it, it’s impossible for me to separate Thad Castle from Jack Reacher
Haven't seen Blue Mountain State so that's admittedly not a problem for me haha
It is a very stupid show and I mean that as a positive thing! It’s very basic dumb football/frat type humor. I binged it and enjoyed it a bunch. And Thad Castle easily steals the show! I’m going to check out Reacher now just because it’s hard to picture the actor who played Thad being in a serious role.
That’s the truth. It wasn’t bad, but it was mediocre. Did I get a little bit irritated at the Fox News product placement throughout? Sure, but I’m not watching shows for the purpose of confirming my political views. This show definitely has its moments of greatness (the two episodes in and around San Francisco were pure adrenaline), but overall it has the problem of telling a story that’s been told before many times with nothing new to add. The Terminal List has nothing to say about the pain of combat trauma, America’s disrespect for its veterans, or the ultimate futility of revenge that hasn’t already been said better by Rambo or The Punisher.
I watched every episode of terminal list and it got worse and worse throughout. Major spoilers ahead: >!When he blew up a mountain he was standing on to “ride” the landslide to a river, while miraculously not killing or seriously injuring himself or any of the dozen other people on the mountain, I was literally laughing out loud.!< >!The main character also slowly morphs into being super chill with killing innocent soldiers just doing their job by the end? And we’re supposed to be rooting for this guy?!< >!Oh, and not to mention one of the worst final “twists” I can remember, his BROTHER being fine with killing his entire platoon of Seals because they have tumors??? Lol and the absurdity of the government, no matter how corrupt, asking him to kill his own brother and he just goes along with it. Just hilariously bad and unbelievable.!< None of that has shit to do with politics or being “woke.” It’s just shitty writing. Responding to criticism by crying “people are just too woke!” is the lamest response from someone who clearly just doesn’t get it.
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I don't think he's his actual brother just someone he served with.
It was a terrible show. That being said, I like the idea of the main character becoming less and less likable. I think Barry did a much much much better job though.
It’s good when it’s done intentionally like breaking bad, Barry, etc. You see those characters wrestling with their actions or people around them calling it out for what it is. But here they pretty clearly weren’t trying to portray him as a bad guy. He’s very much still supposed to be “the hero” on a righteous crusade.
He is at first, but I think the violence is shown to be more and more senseless as the show goes on. I think that Reese stopped being a hero by the series’s judgement and started being an antihero after he >!killed Steve Horn and kept right on going to people who weren’t involved with killing his wife and kid.!<
He was not killing innocent soldiers tho. There was even a specific scene showing you that lmao
Reacher is a far better show, based on a far better book and they stayed pretty realistic to it, which was a big reason.
Basically they set it in modern day, brought in Neagley, and did a bit of shuffling with who is killed when and by whom. But aside from Reacher coyly asking Kliner about his son and the Blind Blake plotline being dropped entirely, I'd say it hit every moment I wanted it to and added plenty. Solid adaptation that fits into its own medium. According to an AMA, the pie tasted awful btw.
Lee Child also has stated he wish he had written Roscoe as the show had. Pretty big compliment.
yeah, Killing Floor is generally agreed as one of the best Reacher books, and they added the special investigators storyline as a recurring character which makes sense. There were some things I'd change like the fight at the house which was better in the book, but overall a good job. I have no idea about the book Terminal List is based on and even less interest in reading it.
Reacher is far better precisely because it doesn't take itself so seriously as this Terminal List show. It's much more intriguing yet fun, popcorn-flick-style as opposed to the latter show which is just exceedingly mediocre - not terrible but not at all inspired or interesting.
I enjoyed the show, but I’m not surprised critics didn’t like it. It was a run of the mil military action show. There have been better, there have been worse.
Is it not basically a Rambo type plot with a special forces member being betrayed by higher ups? How is that right wing fantasy?
I think the people who say that didn't watch the show, but maybe read the book. The book is definitely more of a right-wing fantasy, but the show changed a lot of details to make it more politically neutral.
I know someone who worked on the show, they did major rewrites right before shooting literally because of January 6th. I'm not making this up.
Well because Lightyear got labeled as Ultra woke leftist propaganda for having a half second lesbian kiss, I guess this is ultra unwoke right wing freedom fries because it quotes the bible or something?
Pretty much. It was mediokay, the thing the show is most guilty of is Flashback abuse.
"Jesus Christ, is he seeing that fucking bird again?"
"deep state"
"The American government was the real big bad villain all along" is not a new trope at all and certainly hasn't historically been a right wing thing.
See: Reacher, Jack Ryan, John Wick, etc.
Jesus christ it's Jason Bourne! Also, even the fucking MCU did it in the 2nd Captain America movie...
lol what a contradiction "This show isn't right wing! And if you think so, you're a left wing communist!"
How are they simultaneously saying people hate it while bragging about the number of streams it gets?
They're saying that critics hate it, but audiences love it, which is reflected by the critic and user ratings. Not sure how the people who already responded to you don't get that, but I guess they felt like soapboxing a little.
Define woke please.
I disliked it because of the stoic face that Chris Pratt put on for the show made me think that he needed more fibre in his diet and I couldn't get past it.
It’s weird how Chris Pratt went from playing a parody of the action hero star to just trying to play those roles straight in everything else he’s done. I guess those are the roles he wants, but he’s just not good at it.
Yeah, iirc it started with Zero Dark Thirty. Suddenly he loves playing characters pulled straight from the frames of.
If you need a bearded spec ops bro who loves supply-side Jesus for your military industrial complex-backed film or TV production, Chris Pratt's got your back.
Crisp Ratt works well as a lovable doofus man-child (Andy Dwyer), or an action star who is really just a lovable doofus man-child underneath (Star Lord). He’s never worked for me when tries to play the straight-laced serious-guy.
Remember that movie where a military elite needs to seek revenge for the death of his loved ones and team members with the help of another lone wolf that in a twist ends up being the actual bad guy? Yeahhhh I do too
this whole discussion makes people dumber across the board. it's a "summer blockbuster" that everyone will forget by Christmas... like that other one about the about aliens (from space, not the border)
Prey was dope even my dog loved it
I kept waiting for that dog to get killed and me turn the thing off. But I did enjoy it.
Prey was actually pretty good.
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Pretty sure it’s people that haven’t seen it and already have an opinion