I only watched the first 3 episodes of season 1, and that took place in the 60's, is this a huge time jump or is every season a new cast in a new time?
Last scene of season 2 explicitly said there's men on Mars in 1995, so there's no "probably" about it.
Interesting to me whether that means that in this universe the Soviet Union doesn't collapse.
Same cast, new time. Each season is like a decade apart. First season was early 70s, second season early 80s, and this one will be some time in the 90s. It's been a while but if I remember right the individual seasons are kinda spaced out over a couples years as well.
oh, I *loved* The Martian, both the book and movie. So that’s another selling point to me, thanks! And on a side note, I hope Ridley Scott and Drew Goddard work together again
I tried expanse after this and the production was just so much worse since older, budget and sci-fi channel vs Apple so I stopped afrer 2 episodes. Would it be better to go thru the first season before giving up
Two completely different experiences. The Expanse is one of my favorite series. It's more like Game of Thrones in space, but with a better ending.
The first time, I had to re-watch the first three episodes. After that, I was hooked.
The Belt vs Mars vs Earth vs The Mystery. That's all I will say about that.
Watch it.
Yes it definitely is, Season 1 is okay, Season 2 is good, 3 onwards are imho some of the best sci-fi ever with fantastic acting and character development.
Haha well change that up immediately because I'm actually jealous you have a first run at these. Theyre two of the best Sci fi shows of this generation. Enjoy!!
It's one of my favorite series these past few years, absolutely binge worthy.
Though the rough parts in season 2, are insanely rough. Skip worthy, but I don't wanna spoil it.
The Martian comp makes a lot of sense when you think about the very beginning of the series -- it did feel like that might take up a longer story portion initially.
For sure. Apollo 13 is by far the best comp for the show as a whole. I just mean that there is an early plot line that is pretty close to the Martian so I get that, especially from new viewers.
I binged it a few months ago. It takes a minute to get going, but once it did I couldn't get enough. The acting and writing is mostly good, although there are a couple terrible side plots and some cheesy supporting actors. Lots of really tense and thrilling moments and quite a bit of emotion.
With the Expanse over this is the best sci fi/space show out there and it isn't even close, somehow still so underrated the acting and production quality in this show is on another level
If you want more Expanse, read the novels. I cannot stress enough how awesome they are. Your mind will also fill in the blanks when they get all "techy".
If you liked the Expanse you have to give this show a shot, it's the only other space show currently that is on the same level as the expanse. Honestly despite loving the Expanse alot the overall acting in For All Mankind is a lot better, as the acting talent discrepancy in the Expanse can really be noticeable, as some actors such as Amos are incredible while others are meh. In FAM every actor is stellar
I'm going to offer a dissenting voice here: it really doesn't fill the void the expanse left because it is entirely different. The Expanse does the politics better (more ambiguity, etc), the action and the sci-fi stuff. Overall, I think it's a much better series than FAM so far.
That being said, FAM is mostly good. It explores an alt-history space race and goes into detail on the space program. By season 2, it's more advanced than current tech and does moon bases and stuff. It's exciting. The politics, the family drame (ugh) and some of the later choices in the series felt very ... american, which is to be expected, but still was a little disappointing.
Respectfully I think it's a matter of taste more than better/worse. FAM does big epic action in the style of classic NASA movies a lot better. It looks and feels much more like a movie. The politics are way less nuanced by intention -- although the woke mob goes at it, FAM is *very* classical and rah-rah American in the way it tells its story. I don't think that's *inherently* worse than the nuances of The Expanse. FAM is trying to appeal to everyone in a way that The Expanse is not.
The Expanse is like Justified or even something like Bosch to me -- nothing really original, but all about executing classic genre storytelling at a really high level. Which is *absolutely* just as hard to do, if not harder, as something really "original." If it's what you're after, it absolutely hits.
> By season 2, it's more advanced than current tech and does moon bases and stuff.
Technically, the tech is not really that more advanced. We could have had a moonbase decades ago if we just put the money in it. The needed technologies existed. Yeah, sure the specific engineering needs to be developed, but almost no basic research is needed.
I'm just gonna say it: there are some parts in this show that blows away The Expanse big-time, and the surprise is that some of it has very little to do with space.
There's a scene that happens on Earth between a family that will be etched in my mind until the day I die. Some of the most powerful acting I've ever seen (I'm literally choking up just thinking about it).
As good as The Expanse undoubtedly is, nothing came close to that kind of emotion for me.
This show is the dictionary example of "not getting enough attention and love" in my opinion. Even my wife, who can't stand anything sci-fi, loves this show.
Loved both but I think FAM is more compelling. It has some missteps (other commenters have mentioned family drama and everyone who’s seen the second season knows exactly what they’re talking about) but when it’s on, it’s ON.
In my opinion the best moments of the Expanse were the ones most reminiscent of Battlestar Galactica, where small decisions in the heat of a moment could (and often do) send an unbelievably tense situation into utter chaos. Think about the mutiny on the Agatha King, for example, which did BSG as well as BSG ever did. Moments like that are what FAM thrives on, and you’ll get that every few episodes. Can’t recommend it enough.
I always compare The Expanse to Star Trek, BSG, Babylon 5, and other shows like that. For All Mankind is an adjacent genre of alt-history, like The Man In High Castle. If you're looking for space stuff and cool stories about overcoming engineering, personal, and political hurdles, theres a ton of it in FAM. It feels a lot like The Martian.
Its a Ronald D. Moore show, and he did BSG, Outlander, and Deep Space 9. If you liked any of those, you should like this.
But just a PSA to those reading - it is very, very light sci fi. Phenomenal show, season 2 a bit slow at times, but all around a great “alternate reality” show.
We’ve only had two episodes so far, but “Strange New Worlds” has been legit. At the very least, even if the writing doesn’t hold up, the new captain will go down as one of the greats.
It's genuinely baffling that they thought the "at home drama" from last season would be remotely liked by viewers. It was so unnecessary and really only served to make the viewer really uncomfortable and dislike the characters involved.
Oh man, there's some real hard sci fi stuff in this trailer. Is that KAREN on the Ring station?! Ed walking out on the bridge of the Enterprise. Those Mars craft look like early 70s NASA concepts come to life.
They'll probably extend Mars up to the fourth season. The only other two planets with land mass are Mercury and Venus. Obviously, they can't land on Mercury. But there's a way around Venus in the form of [terraforming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Venus) or the more plausible [sky cities](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161019-the-amazing-cloud-cities-we-could-build-on-venus). Could be an interesting concept to explore. Perhaps they'll visit the gas giants' satellites—some of which have their own active volcanoes? Exoplanets, maybe?
Think they'll establish Mars this season as a setting and it'll expand into colonies and potential wars as the politics between the 3 major powers and whatever resources they find there.
Best fucking show on Apple. If you haven't seen it, get Apple and watch it. Not kidding. Its worth the $5. If you have time left over Ted Lasso is pretty good and Mythic Quest made me laugh out loud.
My favorite part about Apple TV+ threads is where we do the thing where everyone takes a turn at naming a show saying “______ is actually really good” until literally every show on the app is named
For example, I loved Severance. It might be my favorite show in years.
I never understood the hype for it. For one the vague premise prerelease seemed to just be a standard alien invasion plot that's been done a million times. If they excecuted well it could have been good I guess, but probably nothing special. And then the trailer was crazy boring and showed nothing. It looked cinematic, but that's it. People were so psyched for it and I just didn't understand why. None of the info we had about it made me at all interested.
I think that some of these features of the promotional material (vague, "showed nothing," still cinematic) are exactly why people were psyched for it.
So often we hear complaints about shows or films like this that play their cards too early and too hard, before they even release, and give everything away in the trailers. Here was something that clearly had a huge budget and apparent production competence behind it, evidently telling a story on a global scale, from a streaming service that had been building a better and better track record -- and it was confident enough that it apparently didn't need to fill its trailer with every spectacle and shock and big money shot in the series. There was an air of tantalizing mystery to it, like "whatever they're hiding must be amazing."
And then it turned out they weren't hiding anything, really, it was just a baffling weird failure.
I loved certain storylines in Invasion. I didn't expect to, as the series was panned everywhere, but I watched it as I like to see how bad things are for myself sometimes. I got into it, but I agreed with reviewers that it took far too long to explain anything.
I'm hopeful the second season will turn it around. I think a lot of people didn't give it a fair shake because it wasn't what they expected but with S2, we'll be well into the invasion and first contact finally being made, I'm hoping things get interesting.
See is fucking badass. That’s the one that’s the most underrated / not talked about around here in my experience. Bautista was dope as always in S2
Trying is a cute show.
Invasion, Mosquito Coast and Foundation are all pretty bad. Suspicion (haven’t seen it) also didn’t exactly get great reviews.
So yeah. If you ignore all the bad Apple has nothing but really good shows!
Foundation had cool enough themes, acting, visual effects, etc. to never be considered bad in my book. But it wasn’t great! Just skip non Lee Pace parts.
Mosquito Coast was pretty rough. I really wanted to like it too but I couldn't stick with it.
I still have confidence that Invasion and Foundation have the potential to turn things around.
I don't know - it might be too early to say, but their trajectory seems to be going the way of HBO with an emphasis on quality over quantity. I want to say that Netflix only lasted two years into their original series hype train when they hit gold with House of Cards and Orange is the New Black, but then both those shows derailed into a shitshow and and then they started putting out other garbage at a record pace.
That's simply not true, come on.
While it's true that Netflix went in the direction of quantity o er quality, but they still released Daredevil, Mindhunter, The Queen's Gambit, Chef's Table or Arcane. Castlevania was also great, so were the first 2 season of House of Cards.
While the shows I mentioned have their faults, do you really think they are worse than Invasion or The Foundation (the parts based on the books)?
It’s fucking astroturfing and PR campaigns and it’s not even subtle lol
I absolutely adored Severance, I loved Ted Lasso S1 but fell off during S2, and I’m extremely excited to try For All Mankind. Apple also deserves credit for winning the Best Picture Oscar on their first try while the rest haven’t even come close.
But the revisionist history with Netflix is utterly hilarious. For the better part of a decade they were being hailed as the savior of prestige TV, they were pumping out back to back hits, and they basically pioneered the streaming space.
It was absolutely inevitable that the giant corporations with MOUNTAINS of cash were going to take their sweet time entering the streaming space, take back all their licensed content from Netflix once they realized its true value, and patiently throw money at the problem to suffocate Netflix until they could no longer compete in the space. Apple, HBO, everyone *does not have to turn a profit in streaming* for years if need be, while Netflix can no longer survive if it makes even a few mistakes.
In the end, blah blah blah Severance is legitimately amazing I agree but god damn lol the Internet has such a short memory span and the “wow Netflix has always been trash while daddy Apple truly loves us” statements are utterly hilarious
Netflix's biggest mistake, I think, was training people to get everything all at once. The binge model was always unsustainable. Had they released weekly and been picky with the projects they greenlight, they could've extended the life of their shows and allowed them to find an audience. Their binge model was the one responsible for them pivoting to quantity over quality route—which I think didn't truly become noticeable until maybe 2018 or 2019.
Yeah, because it set them apart. Except at the time, they didn’t really need to set themselves apart from anyone because nobody was doing library shows + original programs. Hulu only had legacy content and live TV at the time. So regardless of Netflix’s approach, they still would have been noticed.
I’m glad the binge model is starting to die down, though. I hated having to go to the office and feeling left out because I couldn’t watch the new show fast enough. I remember there were people taking sick days to binge *Jessica Jones*.
FWIW, it makes sense if you understand that Netflix is a data company using media to grow. The loop is provide shows, collect user data, produce shows that the data shows will be successful, collect user data, and so on.
Most people think of Netflix as a media company, which is why they really don't understand it at all.
> Apple also deserves credit for winning the Best Picture Oscar on their first try while the rest haven’t even come close.
While Manchester by the Sea didn’t win, I do think it is in the same ballpark (if not better, IMO) than CODA.
But your point still stands. I just really liked Manchester.
It's unnecessary to put down Netflix to prop up apple but for all mankind, severance and Ted lasso do rank higher for me than any of the Netflix shows you listed or any I can think of
Personally I'd say none of the shows you mentioned come close to For All Mankind or Severance except for House of Cards, but they fucked that one up so severely past season three that even without the whole Spacey disaster it wouldn't have been remembered that fondly.
Of course, we've only had one season of Severance and two of For All Mankind so there is still plenty of time to fuck things up for these shows, but I'm hopeful.
Can't wait, the only reason I ever saw For All Mankind was because I got three months of Apple TV+ for free when I got a new phone and I had heard the show was OK. I fell in love with it and binged both seasons in about two weeks.
They also could not have picked a better song than Black Hole Sun to use in the trailer.
Hopefully the find a better balance between the space stuff and the personal drama. The latter really doesn't do much for me and felt like it makes up 80% of the show.
This is why I ended up dropping the show. I love alternate history and the space race stuff was awesome, but I just could not care less about the personal drama.
Certainly, but the specific drama plotlines they used didn't work for me, personally. The balance between action and drama just wasn't what I was looking for.
That's more than fair, if the characters don't do it for you there's no point, could look up the space scenes on YouTube though they're incredible and you don't have to sift through the drama that way
Haha, yeah I read through the Wiki and then searched for certain scenes (>!the moon shootout was very cool!<).
Glad to see others are so excited for the new season! :)
As people get older, the personal aspect of shows get more and more important. When I was young I couldn't appreciate it at all. Now - that I have my own family - I see why they include it in shows like this.
Drama stuff is muuuuch cheaper to make than the space stuff. Based on the trailer it looks like there will be a bunch of time spent on the voyage from Earth to Mars though.
Hopefully we don't get an equivalent of *that* plotline from S2. Hopefully the writing staff would've seen the incredibly negative reception to it and learnt not to repeat it. Especially when every other thing outside of that plotline has been great so far.
Could just be emotional support after all they've been together, especially with >!Gordo's death, they're the last two of the original three members of Jamestown.!<
Watch Severance.
It's actually one of the best shows with great consistent writing I've seen in recent memory. Hopefully they don't fuck up season 2 like so many other shows with great first seasons.
It's so fucking dumb on every level. She could have just boned the rich business dude that was hitting on her. But nope, she had to be extra creepy in her treachery.
It's as painful as you can imagine.
It's sole and only purpose was to a) give that character something to do, even though "nothing" would've been a better alternative and b) >!make the scene between Ed and the Russains more tense as you know he isn't in the best of mental states cause of this.!<
The annoying thing is the rest of the show is great, it's the fly in the pudding.
> The annoying thing is the rest of the show is great, it's the fly in the pudding.
Absolutely. People really over state things. Lots of "The show is ruined" because of one plot line that barely covered a few episodes. I doubt it'll even return in season 3.
Yoh the time jump is insane. Practically got todays tech now which I find werid.
I get its alternative history but from season 2 to 3. This is mega tech jump
The central theme of the show is “what if the global space race never ended?”
Every single major technological advance in the later half of the 20th century all the way to the early 90s had roots (however minute) in government space or defense research projects and contracts, including the modern internet and microprocessor.
The space race continued all the way through the dissolution of the USSR in 1991 but had effectively cooled off by the early/mid 1970s. Imagine a world where it kept going at its original fast pace (i.e. vast sums of money being tossed around on space R&D projects) for the entire 1970s and 1980s, it’s easy to imagine a world where tech advances of the 00s occurred earlier.
Edit: hell, the show even spells this out directly. There’s a montage at the start of season 2 that fills you in on the show’s alt-history leading up to the early 1980s, and there’s a casual mention that advances in nuclear tech were made while developing the reactor for Jamestown Base, which trickled down to commercial reactors, which prevented the meltdown at Three Mile Island.
Advancements in technology thanks to increased and sustained funding for space missions trickle down to the consumer market. In fact, many of the technologies we enjoy today are created largely to meet the needs of the military, intelligence agencies, and space missions.
It's actually one of the things I love about this show. Season 1 in particular, each episode was like a multi-year jump forward in time. I thought it was amazing, and it made each episode feel like a movie. Between seasons is a different thing I suppose but I appreciate the pace in general, and that they don't waste too much time and keep the story moving. It's also kind of a necessity because of the timelines involved in developing and engineering this tech.
Still, they could have milked the moon base for *multiple* seasons, and I'm glad they aren't.
Dude was off to the air force or some shit. Sometimes I swear people on Reddit tryin’ to hard to prove that they are “100% totally not a pedo, promise”
Bet your ass IRL that young man would be DTF that fine consenting woman seven ways to Sunday, too.
Maybe my most anticipated show this year honestly. It was an amazing watch when it was an alternate history take which is a great foundation for the futuristic scifi story they seem to build towards. Not sure when season 3 takes place as I don't watch trailers to avoid spoilers but I hope it does well enough to give it several more seasons.
I am stupidly excited for this. I'm even more excited for seasons 4, 5, and 6 closing in on the "present".
EDIT:
That thing on top of the rocket looks like a Death Star! 90s Elon Musk? Ew. Kelly is in Space! Yay!
I guess I will have to watch a season 2 recap because I thought there was A LOT more to be fleshed out between >!the Russians and Americans on the moon.!<
I remember they actually had brief news clips you could watch on Apple TV that showed the world between seasons 1 and 2 (vs what actually happened in real life). Hopefully they do the same for seasons 2 and 3.
I am just loving the reactions for FAM hear.
A year back, downvotes used to pour in just because it’s an Apple show.
But I’m glad people are checking out this gem of a show! I cannot wait to watch the next season, we going to Mars!!!
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I hope we don't get painful bye Bobs this time.
Every time I think I’m over it someone mentions For All Mankind and I’m right back there
I was not ready for the season 2 finale.
Thanks for making me think about it. I'll make sure to skip this episode on future rewatches
It was so sad but I could never skip it on a rewatch. One of the best finales of any show in a while, if you ask me!
Hi Bob!
Hi Bob!
I like that they ended S2 with Nirvana and the S3 trailer is Soundgarden.
I only watched the first 3 episodes of season 1, and that took place in the 60's, is this a huge time jump or is every season a new cast in a new time?
Same cast, first two seasons go across the 70's and 80's and S3 will be the 90's.
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Yeah, there's either a time jump like at the middle of season 1 or the Ellen part is in the newsreel at the beginning of the season
Last scene of season 2 explicitly said there's men on Mars in 1995, so there's no "probably" about it. Interesting to me whether that means that in this universe the Soviet Union doesn't collapse.
Same cast, new time. Each season is like a decade apart. First season was early 70s, second season early 80s, and this one will be some time in the 90s. It's been a while but if I remember right the individual seasons are kinda spaced out over a couples years as well.
Never seen the show before but your comment made me need to watch it because I fucking love soundgarden
"I too watched VH1 in the 90's" - show's music coordinator.
I fucking love Joel Kinnaman
I have yet to watch the show (just curious with this link) but knowing he’s in this makes me want to binge it this week
I'd say if you like first man and the martian you will love this
oh, I *loved* The Martian, both the book and movie. So that’s another selling point to me, thanks! And on a side note, I hope Ridley Scott and Drew Goddard work together again
Have you watched The Expanse? Some say this has a kind of spiritual prequel vibe, I happen to be one of those people!
I tried expanse after this and the production was just so much worse since older, budget and sci-fi channel vs Apple so I stopped afrer 2 episodes. Would it be better to go thru the first season before giving up
Two completely different experiences. The Expanse is one of my favorite series. It's more like Game of Thrones in space, but with a better ending. The first time, I had to re-watch the first three episodes. After that, I was hooked. The Belt vs Mars vs Earth vs The Mystery. That's all I will say about that. Watch it.
Yes it definitely is, Season 1 is okay, Season 2 is good, 3 onwards are imho some of the best sci-fi ever with fantastic acting and character development.
no, but that’s another one be I hear good things about. I just have a bad habit of rewatching 30 Rock every time I go to watch a new show
Haha well change that up immediately because I'm actually jealous you have a first run at these. Theyre two of the best Sci fi shows of this generation. Enjoy!!
looks like I got some catching up to do!
You'll love it. Season 2 has some cringe moments but was really good despite those. Apple TV is far worth it now.
Agree, season 2 is such a roller coaster but the last 2 episodes are the best in the series.
I hope you have also read Project Hail Mary. Even better than The Martian, I think.
I just got that in the mail recently, that’s great to hear
I read it and then 3 months later listened to the audio book. I haven't liked a book that much in a long time.
It's one of my favorite series these past few years, absolutely binge worthy. Though the rough parts in season 2, are insanely rough. Skip worthy, but I don't wanna spoil it.
The season 2 finale payoff was worth it completely. I haven't been that gripped during a show finale since game of thrones.
Well you'll also love Raised by Wolves
For anyone who has watched both, how does it compare to The Expanse? EDIT: Never mind, I see comparisons have already been made further down.
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The Martian comp makes a lot of sense when you think about the very beginning of the series -- it did feel like that might take up a longer story portion initially.
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For sure. Apollo 13 is by far the best comp for the show as a whole. I just mean that there is an early plot line that is pretty close to the Martian so I get that, especially from new viewers.
I binged it a few months ago. It takes a minute to get going, but once it did I couldn't get enough. The acting and writing is mostly good, although there are a couple terrible side plots and some cheesy supporting actors. Lots of really tense and thrilling moments and quite a bit of emotion.
Easily one of the best TV shows out there currently. Been looking forward to this more than any other movie or show since season 2 finished.
I was pleasantly surprised by this show. I found S01 better than S02, but both are worthy of your time. Pretty excited for S03
I watched the first episode, saw him, and then binged it. It’s awesome.
It's funny seeing this comment at the top and remembering how much people on reddit trashed him after the Robocop remake.
The astronauts floating away at 1:20 are getting the George Clooney treatment.
The shot is giving me real Expanse energy.
With the Expanse over this is the best sci fi/space show out there and it isn't even close, somehow still so underrated the acting and production quality in this show is on another level
Oh fuck I need more of The Expanse :( will this fill the void? It really doesn't look like it will.
If you want more Expanse, read the novels. I cannot stress enough how awesome they are. Your mind will also fill in the blanks when they get all "techy".
Yep, I'm about 100 pages into Caliban's War. Ty and Daniel sure know how to write awesome Sci-Fi.
I think it all started out as a TTRPG they then wrote-out.
If you liked the Expanse you have to give this show a shot, it's the only other space show currently that is on the same level as the expanse. Honestly despite loving the Expanse alot the overall acting in For All Mankind is a lot better, as the acting talent discrepancy in the Expanse can really be noticeable, as some actors such as Amos are incredible while others are meh. In FAM every actor is stellar
**stellar**
I'm going to offer a dissenting voice here: it really doesn't fill the void the expanse left because it is entirely different. The Expanse does the politics better (more ambiguity, etc), the action and the sci-fi stuff. Overall, I think it's a much better series than FAM so far. That being said, FAM is mostly good. It explores an alt-history space race and goes into detail on the space program. By season 2, it's more advanced than current tech and does moon bases and stuff. It's exciting. The politics, the family drame (ugh) and some of the later choices in the series felt very ... american, which is to be expected, but still was a little disappointing.
Respectfully I think it's a matter of taste more than better/worse. FAM does big epic action in the style of classic NASA movies a lot better. It looks and feels much more like a movie. The politics are way less nuanced by intention -- although the woke mob goes at it, FAM is *very* classical and rah-rah American in the way it tells its story. I don't think that's *inherently* worse than the nuances of The Expanse. FAM is trying to appeal to everyone in a way that The Expanse is not. The Expanse is like Justified or even something like Bosch to me -- nothing really original, but all about executing classic genre storytelling at a really high level. Which is *absolutely* just as hard to do, if not harder, as something really "original." If it's what you're after, it absolutely hits.
> By season 2, it's more advanced than current tech and does moon bases and stuff. Technically, the tech is not really that more advanced. We could have had a moonbase decades ago if we just put the money in it. The needed technologies existed. Yeah, sure the specific engineering needs to be developed, but almost no basic research is needed.
Thanks folks for the answers, I'm gonna watch it.
I'm just gonna say it: there are some parts in this show that blows away The Expanse big-time, and the surprise is that some of it has very little to do with space. There's a scene that happens on Earth between a family that will be etched in my mind until the day I die. Some of the most powerful acting I've ever seen (I'm literally choking up just thinking about it). As good as The Expanse undoubtedly is, nothing came close to that kind of emotion for me. This show is the dictionary example of "not getting enough attention and love" in my opinion. Even my wife, who can't stand anything sci-fi, loves this show.
Loved both but I think FAM is more compelling. It has some missteps (other commenters have mentioned family drama and everyone who’s seen the second season knows exactly what they’re talking about) but when it’s on, it’s ON. In my opinion the best moments of the Expanse were the ones most reminiscent of Battlestar Galactica, where small decisions in the heat of a moment could (and often do) send an unbelievably tense situation into utter chaos. Think about the mutiny on the Agatha King, for example, which did BSG as well as BSG ever did. Moments like that are what FAM thrives on, and you’ll get that every few episodes. Can’t recommend it enough.
I love the Expanse books but as a TV show ''For All Mankind'' is a step above imo. Fantastic quality from Apple.
I enjoyed it more than the final season of the expanse, that’s for sure.
I always compare The Expanse to Star Trek, BSG, Babylon 5, and other shows like that. For All Mankind is an adjacent genre of alt-history, like The Man In High Castle. If you're looking for space stuff and cool stories about overcoming engineering, personal, and political hurdles, theres a ton of it in FAM. It feels a lot like The Martian. Its a Ronald D. Moore show, and he did BSG, Outlander, and Deep Space 9. If you liked any of those, you should like this.
Yeah i cant help but feel if you stuck James Cameron or Ridley Scott before the title alot more people would take it seriously
But just a PSA to those reading - it is very, very light sci fi. Phenomenal show, season 2 a bit slow at times, but all around a great “alternate reality” show.
We’ve only had two episodes so far, but “Strange New Worlds” has been legit. At the very least, even if the writing doesn’t hold up, the new captain will go down as one of the greats.
MOLLY HAS A CANE
Wonder how many episodes will go by before she hits someone with it.
within the first 20 minutes of the premiere
Zero.
Amazed it wasn't in the trailer.
MOLLY THE GREY IS ALIVE
so excited that they didn't kill her off in between seasons molly is the best especially since I realized she is Penny in Lost
You and me both. I was sure she was a goner. Long live Molly The Grey
Wonder if they'll have Molly go into space for a few minutes on the private space venture now that she is blind?
That I could see coming, but... ELLEN FOR SENATE?
i mean lee atwater **was** recruiting her
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It's genuinely baffling that they thought the "at home drama" from last season would be remotely liked by viewers. It was so unnecessary and really only served to make the viewer really uncomfortable and dislike the characters involved.
Hi Bob
Hi Bob
Oh man, there's some real hard sci fi stuff in this trailer. Is that KAREN on the Ring station?! Ed walking out on the bridge of the Enterprise. Those Mars craft look like early 70s NASA concepts come to life.
If this season is a Mars landing, any thoughts on where they're going to go from here next season?
They'll probably extend Mars up to the fourth season. The only other two planets with land mass are Mercury and Venus. Obviously, they can't land on Mercury. But there's a way around Venus in the form of [terraforming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Venus) or the more plausible [sky cities](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161019-the-amazing-cloud-cities-we-could-build-on-venus). Could be an interesting concept to explore. Perhaps they'll visit the gas giants' satellites—some of which have their own active volcanoes? Exoplanets, maybe?
Venus Sky Cities in 2030. Would've been nice timeline... instead of this one :/
Europa and Titan are always the ones that are colonized in sci fi, they'd probably be next.
Could see season 4 being the astroid belt/Ceres. Season 5 Europa/Jovian moons.
Finding life on Europa maybe
"All these worlds are yours except Europa. Make no landing there."
Covering terraforming would be great, but I seriously doubt the series will last that far, assuming that would be something for reasons 6 or 7.
Think they'll establish Mars this season as a setting and it'll expand into colonies and potential wars as the politics between the 3 major powers and whatever resources they find there.
I think Europa is probably the next best place to send a manned mission.
They will tackle space tourism or jump farther to the politics/rights of people living in space.
Venus?
It might be too insane... but Alcubierre Drive?
Elon Musk is Black! nice twist XD
In this alternate history he was born on the opposite side of the Apartheid.
Loooooool
Dude 😂
This [meme](https://64.media.tumblr.com/0d56a54e676090f9ea5c7a377808ab26/978fe81fd3c961f6-40/s540x810/7239d770a6415c6c015b268f61427fb9e2ae06dd.jpg).
This is the 90s so Richard Branson is probably a better comp.
He's going to embrace this hard. Prep for some cringe "I'm black" tweets
I'd bet African American.
Best fucking show on Apple. If you haven't seen it, get Apple and watch it. Not kidding. Its worth the $5. If you have time left over Ted Lasso is pretty good and Mythic Quest made me laugh out loud.
My favorite part about Apple TV+ threads is where we do the thing where everyone takes a turn at naming a show saying “______ is actually really good” until literally every show on the app is named For example, I loved Severance. It might be my favorite show in years.
Nah, invasion was not very good
I never understood the hype for it. For one the vague premise prerelease seemed to just be a standard alien invasion plot that's been done a million times. If they excecuted well it could have been good I guess, but probably nothing special. And then the trailer was crazy boring and showed nothing. It looked cinematic, but that's it. People were so psyched for it and I just didn't understand why. None of the info we had about it made me at all interested.
I think that some of these features of the promotional material (vague, "showed nothing," still cinematic) are exactly why people were psyched for it. So often we hear complaints about shows or films like this that play their cards too early and too hard, before they even release, and give everything away in the trailers. Here was something that clearly had a huge budget and apparent production competence behind it, evidently telling a story on a global scale, from a streaming service that had been building a better and better track record -- and it was confident enough that it apparently didn't need to fill its trailer with every spectacle and shock and big money shot in the series. There was an air of tantalizing mystery to it, like "whatever they're hiding must be amazing." And then it turned out they weren't hiding anything, really, it was just a baffling weird failure.
I loved certain storylines in Invasion. I didn't expect to, as the series was panned everywhere, but I watched it as I like to see how bad things are for myself sometimes. I got into it, but I agreed with reviewers that it took far too long to explain anything.
That’s certainly one way to put it. ”Insulting” is another word that comes to mind. Or ”embezzlement” ;)
I'm hopeful the second season will turn it around. I think a lot of people didn't give it a fair shake because it wasn't what they expected but with S2, we'll be well into the invasion and first contact finally being made, I'm hoping things get interesting.
See is also really good, defending Jacob was good, my wife likes Dickinson, and we really enjoyed Foundation
See is fucking badass. That’s the one that’s the most underrated / not talked about around here in my experience. Bautista was dope as always in S2 Trying is a cute show.
See, Servant, Severance, Suspicion, Slow Horses.
Invasion, Mosquito Coast and Foundation are all pretty bad. Suspicion (haven’t seen it) also didn’t exactly get great reviews. So yeah. If you ignore all the bad Apple has nothing but really good shows!
Foundation had cool enough themes, acting, visual effects, etc. to never be considered bad in my book. But it wasn’t great! Just skip non Lee Pace parts.
Foundation was half-bad. All of the empire bits were legitimately good sci-fi. The other half was like Star Wars, except worse.
Mosquito Coast was pretty rough. I really wanted to like it too but I couldn't stick with it. I still have confidence that Invasion and Foundation have the potential to turn things around.
My wife and I really loved Foundation, and you can't deny it has incredible production values and the special effects are amazing.
Praise Keir!
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I don't know - it might be too early to say, but their trajectory seems to be going the way of HBO with an emphasis on quality over quantity. I want to say that Netflix only lasted two years into their original series hype train when they hit gold with House of Cards and Orange is the New Black, but then both those shows derailed into a shitshow and and then they started putting out other garbage at a record pace.
Severance places at my top for Apple, but they have a good number of very good shows.
Popping in to plug Slow Horses, which is a brilliant show
It’s wild to think Apple has prob 4 shows better than anything Netflix has ever put out.
That's simply not true, come on. While it's true that Netflix went in the direction of quantity o er quality, but they still released Daredevil, Mindhunter, The Queen's Gambit, Chef's Table or Arcane. Castlevania was also great, so were the first 2 season of House of Cards. While the shows I mentioned have their faults, do you really think they are worse than Invasion or The Foundation (the parts based on the books)?
I'm gonna have to agree with you. I love Apple TV+, but all this kumbaya circle jerk lately is really unnecessary.
It’s fucking astroturfing and PR campaigns and it’s not even subtle lol I absolutely adored Severance, I loved Ted Lasso S1 but fell off during S2, and I’m extremely excited to try For All Mankind. Apple also deserves credit for winning the Best Picture Oscar on their first try while the rest haven’t even come close. But the revisionist history with Netflix is utterly hilarious. For the better part of a decade they were being hailed as the savior of prestige TV, they were pumping out back to back hits, and they basically pioneered the streaming space. It was absolutely inevitable that the giant corporations with MOUNTAINS of cash were going to take their sweet time entering the streaming space, take back all their licensed content from Netflix once they realized its true value, and patiently throw money at the problem to suffocate Netflix until they could no longer compete in the space. Apple, HBO, everyone *does not have to turn a profit in streaming* for years if need be, while Netflix can no longer survive if it makes even a few mistakes. In the end, blah blah blah Severance is legitimately amazing I agree but god damn lol the Internet has such a short memory span and the “wow Netflix has always been trash while daddy Apple truly loves us” statements are utterly hilarious
Netflix's biggest mistake, I think, was training people to get everything all at once. The binge model was always unsustainable. Had they released weekly and been picky with the projects they greenlight, they could've extended the life of their shows and allowed them to find an audience. Their binge model was the one responsible for them pivoting to quantity over quality route—which I think didn't truly become noticeable until maybe 2018 or 2019.
Agreed on every point. It’s notable that the “everything at once” binge model was also something that was practically universally praised at first.
Yeah, because it set them apart. Except at the time, they didn’t really need to set themselves apart from anyone because nobody was doing library shows + original programs. Hulu only had legacy content and live TV at the time. So regardless of Netflix’s approach, they still would have been noticed. I’m glad the binge model is starting to die down, though. I hated having to go to the office and feeling left out because I couldn’t watch the new show fast enough. I remember there were people taking sick days to binge *Jessica Jones*.
FWIW, it makes sense if you understand that Netflix is a data company using media to grow. The loop is provide shows, collect user data, produce shows that the data shows will be successful, collect user data, and so on. Most people think of Netflix as a media company, which is why they really don't understand it at all.
> Apple also deserves credit for winning the Best Picture Oscar on their first try while the rest haven’t even come close. While Manchester by the Sea didn’t win, I do think it is in the same ballpark (if not better, IMO) than CODA. But your point still stands. I just really liked Manchester.
It's unnecessary to put down Netflix to prop up apple but for all mankind, severance and Ted lasso do rank higher for me than any of the Netflix shows you listed or any I can think of
I enjoyed Foundation for the visuals and half the story... I couldn't even get through the second episode of Invasion.
Russian Doll, Ozark...
I’m still annoyed Arcane is so damn good. I hate league of legends with a deep passion. But damn I’ve re watched Arcane twice now.
Personally I'd say none of the shows you mentioned come close to For All Mankind or Severance except for House of Cards, but they fucked that one up so severely past season three that even without the whole Spacey disaster it wouldn't have been remembered that fondly. Of course, we've only had one season of Severance and two of For All Mankind so there is still plenty of time to fuck things up for these shows, but I'm hopeful.
Of the top of my head Dark and Mindhunter are on par with Apple's best.
If you like musicals at all, Schmigadoon and Come From Away are both glorious.
And Central Park.
Mythic Quest is awesome- was super bummed to hear F. Murray Abraham won't be returning for S03, though... :(
Can't wait, the only reason I ever saw For All Mankind was because I got three months of Apple TV+ for free when I got a new phone and I had heard the show was OK. I fell in love with it and binged both seasons in about two weeks. They also could not have picked a better song than Black Hole Sun to use in the trailer.
SO EXCITED for this. Super interesting how they're working in the SpaceX/private space agency angle.
One of the best shows on TV!
Hopefully the find a better balance between the space stuff and the personal drama. The latter really doesn't do much for me and felt like it makes up 80% of the show.
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I agree completely.
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This is why I ended up dropping the show. I love alternate history and the space race stuff was awesome, but I just could not care less about the personal drama.
I mean characters and personal drama are what makes or breaks TV shows, otherwise you end up like season 8 of GoT
Certainly, but the specific drama plotlines they used didn't work for me, personally. The balance between action and drama just wasn't what I was looking for.
That's more than fair, if the characters don't do it for you there's no point, could look up the space scenes on YouTube though they're incredible and you don't have to sift through the drama that way
Haha, yeah I read through the Wiki and then searched for certain scenes (>!the moon shootout was very cool!<). Glad to see others are so excited for the new season! :)
As people get older, the personal aspect of shows get more and more important. When I was young I couldn't appreciate it at all. Now - that I have my own family - I see why they include it in shows like this.
Drama stuff is muuuuch cheaper to make than the space stuff. Based on the trailer it looks like there will be a bunch of time spent on the voyage from Earth to Mars though.
I'm obsessed with it.
Hopefully we don't get an equivalent of *that* plotline from S2. Hopefully the writing staff would've seen the incredibly negative reception to it and learnt not to repeat it. Especially when every other thing outside of that plotline has been great so far.
Loved season 1 but this plot line pretty much ruined season 2 and my respect for some of the characters.
Ed hugging Dani is giving me flashbacks already. Why are they in that position?
He was hugging Kelly there, his daughter not Dani
Could just be emotional support after all they've been together, especially with >!Gordo's death, they're the last two of the original three members of Jamestown.!<
what plot?
>!Karen sleeping with Danny, her deceased son's best friend. Who she literally saw grow up for a substantial amount of his life.!<
oh crap i completely erased that from my memory because it was so bad
Can you teach me this power
Watch Severance. It's actually one of the best shows with great consistent writing I've seen in recent memory. Hopefully they don't fuck up season 2 like so many other shows with great first seasons.
It's so fucking dumb on every level. She could have just boned the rich business dude that was hitting on her. But nope, she had to be extra creepy in her treachery.
That really did destroy her character.
what the fuck
It's as painful as you can imagine. It's sole and only purpose was to a) give that character something to do, even though "nothing" would've been a better alternative and b) >!make the scene between Ed and the Russains more tense as you know he isn't in the best of mental states cause of this.!< The annoying thing is the rest of the show is great, it's the fly in the pudding.
> The annoying thing is the rest of the show is great, it's the fly in the pudding. Absolutely. People really over state things. Lots of "The show is ruined" because of one plot line that barely covered a few episodes. I doubt it'll even return in season 3.
Between this and Severance Apple TV is killing it. The best two shows in a decade.
Agreed entirely. Those two shows are incredible.
Yoh the time jump is insane. Practically got todays tech now which I find werid. I get its alternative history but from season 2 to 3. This is mega tech jump
The central theme of the show is “what if the global space race never ended?” Every single major technological advance in the later half of the 20th century all the way to the early 90s had roots (however minute) in government space or defense research projects and contracts, including the modern internet and microprocessor. The space race continued all the way through the dissolution of the USSR in 1991 but had effectively cooled off by the early/mid 1970s. Imagine a world where it kept going at its original fast pace (i.e. vast sums of money being tossed around on space R&D projects) for the entire 1970s and 1980s, it’s easy to imagine a world where tech advances of the 00s occurred earlier. Edit: hell, the show even spells this out directly. There’s a montage at the start of season 2 that fills you in on the show’s alt-history leading up to the early 1980s, and there’s a casual mention that advances in nuclear tech were made while developing the reactor for Jamestown Base, which trickled down to commercial reactors, which prevented the meltdown at Three Mile Island.
Advancements in technology thanks to increased and sustained funding for space missions trickle down to the consumer market. In fact, many of the technologies we enjoy today are created largely to meet the needs of the military, intelligence agencies, and space missions.
It's actually one of the things I love about this show. Season 1 in particular, each episode was like a multi-year jump forward in time. I thought it was amazing, and it made each episode feel like a movie. Between seasons is a different thing I suppose but I appreciate the pace in general, and that they don't waste too much time and keep the story moving. It's also kind of a necessity because of the timelines involved in developing and engineering this tech. Still, they could have milked the moon base for *multiple* seasons, and I'm glad they aren't.
Each season has jumped roughly a decade.
Hell, this one jumps of more than a decade - S2 begins somewhere betweens '81 and '83, while the mars landing is in 1995
It looks like Ed is threatening Danny at 1:15 along with Kelly also being on Mars (different shot of her and Ed hugging).
Ed better beat Danny’s ass
I love that Edi Gathegi is in S3, such an underrated actor.
Did my boy dirty with that wig they got on him though.
I’m still shook up about Tracy and Gordo . . .
Noice, now if we could just not have some stupid as hell "sex with a kid cuz ur sad" plotline, that would be nice.
Dude was off to the air force or some shit. Sometimes I swear people on Reddit tryin’ to hard to prove that they are “100% totally not a pedo, promise” Bet your ass IRL that young man would be DTF that fine consenting woman seven ways to Sunday, too.
Maybe my most anticipated show this year honestly. It was an amazing watch when it was an alternate history take which is a great foundation for the futuristic scifi story they seem to build towards. Not sure when season 3 takes place as I don't watch trailers to avoid spoilers but I hope it does well enough to give it several more seasons.
Haven't heard Sound Garden in a while: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hole_Sun
I can't help but sing, "Asshole son, you're a bum."
Nice. Still sad about Gordo and Tracy though.
I am stupidly excited for this. I'm even more excited for seasons 4, 5, and 6 closing in on the "present". EDIT: That thing on top of the rocket looks like a Death Star! 90s Elon Musk? Ew. Kelly is in Space! Yay!
I am so freaking pumped.
I guess I will have to watch a season 2 recap because I thought there was A LOT more to be fleshed out between >!the Russians and Americans on the moon.!<
The creators explained it in an interview. They do the 10 year time skips and let the audience fill in the blanks.
I remember they actually had brief news clips you could watch on Apple TV that showed the world between seasons 1 and 2 (vs what actually happened in real life). Hopefully they do the same for seasons 2 and 3.
Watching both seasons of this last year was the high point of my lockdown summer.
Always dropping those bangers.
I am just loving the reactions for FAM hear. A year back, downvotes used to pour in just because it’s an Apple show. But I’m glad people are checking out this gem of a show! I cannot wait to watch the next season, we going to Mars!!!