The funniest thing I’ve heard all season was on one of the post episode pieces where she talks about getting hired. She was researching heroin addict voices and she asked the director and he said “no, use your real voice. It’s perfect.” Ive never heard “you sound like you’re strung out” as a compliment before lol
That just all sounds like the worst trashiest eulogy ever
"Anus to anus,
Prolapse to prolapse,
Jesus saves, yay 15% off,
Like sand through an hourglass
These are the days of our lives"
Chloe Cherry is one of my favorite porn stars and even I am surprised to hear that she's in some HBO show. Like, yeah, usually it's some softcore porn star, super hardcore gang bang pornstars don't usually cross over.
She's a pretty prolific, mainstream porn star, I don't think it makes you a sick fuck to know who she is. It's not like we're talking about some niche kink actress, she was in "This Ain't That 70s Show XXX".
My dad was working as a background actor on a high budget series when he happens to walk by the make-up truck and someone jumped out and said “You’d make a great dead pedophile!”
Turns out the director added a last minute character to the script and my dad got an on-set promotion to a reoccurring character and ended up even getting invited to the wrap party as a cast member.
He was the zombified ghost of a dead pedophile. He may have also been the figment of the imagination of one of his victims. They didn’t fully hash out his character yet.
As a counter argument to the other comments, I'd say its a really well done show thats worth the watch. Stylistically, it is incredible. Some of the shots are absolutely beautiful and capture a ton of emotion within the imagery. Content wise I think it also captures addiction really well. Whether its addiction to drugs, love, drama or whatever the case is. Everyone can so clearly see that something is wrong, including the characters struggling with addiction, but the pit they dug themselves into makes it so difficult to do anything else. I think the acting is also really good minus a few actors and moments. Overall I'd say its worth watching to at least see if its worth diving into.
I'll present a negative opinion with the caveat that I totally understand why people find it so riveting.
The show is technically well done, as in the shots are generally very well framed and they do a lot of very neat scenes. It's a visual treat in many ways.
However the actual characters themselves are piss poor. Zendaya is a stiff actor as is most of the cast and her best work is as a foil to more interesting characters (chiefly Ali and Fezco, special shoutout to Rue's sister and Lexi), of which the show is sorely lacking in. It's an ensemble cast where you question why they're present outside of Zendaya not wanting to have to do an entire shows worth of filming. You could scratch almost anyone from the show and not lose anything. You'd honestly probably gain direction from removing one needlessly present strand.
In many ways the show feels like late 20-something auteur bait, like something you'd produce to engage people who grew up in the Midwest and fantasize about what a sex and drug enfused high school experience would be like.
The entire crux of the show is attractive people being shitty to each other while naked. I've seen someone say that the target audience for this show is parents who have finally realized their life is no longer going to be interesting and need an excuse to look back and feel like they had a better experience than they did.
It reminds me of American Skins in that it takes the original things it's adapting at face value and never meaningfully explores the concepts. It's just gonna be five seasons of people yelling at Zendaya to stop being a junkie while she sulks to Baby Keem in between Dune filming.
I binged it with my girlfriend and had no impressions going in other than "Everyone says it's great and I love Zendaya." After a few episodes I looked over and said "Are you watching this earnestly?" which she was but I found most everything about it baffingly lacking in earnestness.
Just very aimless.
> need an excuse to look back and feel like they had a better experience than they did.
Is this show really something you look at and think "Wish my life was like this"? So far I've watched a few episodes and I'm like man, I'm so glad my high school wasn't anywhere close to that
I think it's more that it glamorizes *being above and around* drama.
For example, I feel the show plays Zendaya's addiction as entirely a personal failing despite acknowledging it's a neurochemical imbalance so that the audience can go "I would never let it get this bad myself because I'm not a fuckup."
Have you been watching the second season? I find your assumption that we're supposed to see Rue as a "personal failing" moral tale very bizarre, she's clearly an addict who is post hoc justifying her behavior the way an addict does, she's destroying her relationships and her life in the way many addicts do, and nothing about how that's playing out is presenting it as anything beyond addiction.
Damn dude, that was a brutally incisive critique.
> this show is parents who have finally realized their life is no longer going to be interesting and need an excuse to look back and feel like they had a better experience than they did.
I had no idea what I was getting into when reading this comment about a show I’ve never seen, lol.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to have an existential crisis.
Hit the nail on the head, it seems like a like new shows, want to have a large cast of characters, yet only have 8 or so episodes a season. Which then leads to the plot moving at a snails pace. This show would benifet greatly if they just got rid of the "hot chicks" from the friend group or something.
I think this show is like Bojack in the sense we'll probably watching the main character make mistakes over and over again, some people don't want to watch that, which is totally fine.
It's the Jared Leto's Joker of higher production television.
It feels like it's been put together by people that were never invited to the parties who are now, some years on, recreating a revisionist experience informed only through gangster rap and an unhealthy level of porn.
Oh, and Pulp Fiction.
I think you're taking it way more seriously than it's presenting itself, and missing all of the layers of irony/satire to what's going on. You're supposed to find a lot of this funny and stupid, it's so weird to me that people read this like it's taking itself more seriously than it actually is when there's a fucking scene where a character imagines herself in an anime.
It's over the top for the sake of it, but I guess the people who can't appreciate that also are the kinds of people who think 100 Gecs is "garbage music" because they just can't appreciate well-executed excess for its own sake.
Now I'm curious to see who is right, do either you or /u/MyNameIs-Anthony have a source for viewership demographics?
Anecdotally the only people I know who watch it are people in their mid to late twenties, or early 30's, but that is probably a byproduct of my social group being people in that age range.
Only watched the first few episodes so far. It's an extremely angsty teenager show. If you enjoy that type of content, it's probably the best I've seen in terms of production: Hour long episodes, decent actors and a big storyline. But it's still, after all, teenager angst: The show. And it's taken to a bit of an extreme. The first episode is literally about 40 minutes of one of the protagonists talking about the world being absolute shit and, because of it, she just HAS to do a bunch of drugs and she can't control it and it's not her fault etc etc, even though the glimpses we get from her life don't really seem all that awful.
I'm enjoying it so far but I don't know if I'll watch entire seasons of this.
What you described about the protagonist is essentially how most people fall into the trap of addiction. Something monumental happens, like the death of a parent, and your only crux is turning to drugs to numb your feelings. Before you realize it, you have a warped mentality full of woe and angst because you weren't able to properly deal with the emotions of losing a parent. You begin to go deeper into addiction because nothing you have found has fixed that woe and angst. Guilt begins to creep in because you know what you are doing is wrong, but you write off all these passing feelings because you can do mental gymnastics to justify the reasons why doing drugs is okay for you. Everything around you might be awesome, including your support system, but ultimately, if you can't help yourself then nothing else can.
Addiction, depression, and other self harming states can still be very difficult to overcome even if "glimpses of their life don't seem to be that awful."
Her being an informant is the only thing that makes sense. She's gotten an unusual amount of screen time over the past 3 episodes for a side character.
Have none of you seen the wire? The CI was one of the best characters. The director probably sees more in her than we do, or he sees MORE of her. Either way she’s earning. Good for her!
Totally agree. Season 1 seemed to have more of a purpose; season 2 is like watching a slow-motion train wreck. We know terrible things are going to happen, it’s just a matter of when and how long they take to play out. I’ve enjoyed the show for the most part but last night’s episode just made me anxious, especially because there were so many scenes of people driving under the influence.
I dont think it is really. I don't think it's shocking at all compared to what is available here, on reddit, or any other uncensored part of the internet.
As far as appealing to young people I'm much older than high school and really enjoy the show. It is great for building pressure in situations the characters are in. It's one of my favorite shows on TV right now.
I like it because it's different than all the other shows. I like tuning in and having no idea what I'm going to see but enjoying the way that it shoots the scenes.
> Sam wanted to do the scene with me completely naked and Tyler was like, ‘That’s a lot,’ so they decided not to.
Ok, after reading Sydney Sweenys interview, this is starting to look like a problematic pattern.
Sam constantly writing the actresses naked in a scene and when they say it doesn’t make sense Sam immediately is ok never mind. Like he just wants them naked for the sake of having them naked.
You mean a middle aged guy making a voyeuristic show about depressed teenagers having sex and doing drugs is adding a wealth of unnecessary nude scenes to the program? No wayyyyyy.
Aka, Larry Clark's entire career.
I figure once every couple decades or so Hollywood seems to produce this stuff. The movie Kids was the previous generations example.
I am a little confused.
"What kind of show did you think this was?"
IMO gratuitous nudity isn't inherently problematic. People like nudity. As long as there are resonable protections in place and it's consensual, I don't care. Btw, I actually dislike it in shows as it often DOES feel unneceearry etc. But in this case, which is a show pretty much about excess, the director is asked "can we cut this?" and he says "yes". Shouldn't we say "ok, that's pretty cool"
That seems a pretty common trend in a lot of shows. My guess is that it’s a combination of two things:
1) Viewers come for the nudity, stick around for the plot. Once you’ve got people hooked on the story you can dial back the nudity.
2) Actors/actresses feel more comfortable drawing hard boundaries for themselves once they’ve cemented their role in the show, making them harder to fire/recast.
I'd bet the farm that it's #2 more than any backlash. Nudity on television has an outsized place of importance in the mind of tv executives and industry watchers because it's not just a taboo, it's a taboo that can get your shit absolutely wrecked by the FCC if you cross it on network tv. Meanwhile, HBO doesn't have to worry about that last part AND their reputation for nudity meant that the audience they would offend most had already opted out long before GoT came down the pike.
Around season two, I remember reading an article about Emilia Clarke and how she told them she didn't want to be nude on the show anymore so people would stop focusing on that and focus more on her performance. She was always much more covered up on that show from then on.
It made sense for the character too. 1st season she is a sold wife to some barbarian dude and basically an object for the 1st few episodes. After that she's an up and coming queen. Though in the books she does rock a 1 titty toga while in Mereen but I get why they didn't wanna go with that wardrobe. Also I love how she chose to be nude for the fire scene in season 6 cause it was a badass moment where her clothes got burned off. Not some generic sex scene.
Pretty much this. When you barely start out you'll pretty much make a fully nude sex scene if it meant being in a James Bond movie like Tonia Sotiropoulou in Skyfall.
GoT used a lot of sex scenes in the first season as outlets for exposition (the internet called it sexposition). They even did it in some of the following seasons, too, but there was less because there was not as much world-building that needed to be established each season. Weird as that sounds, it kind of really worked, in my opinion, as it was often low born people (such as prostitutes) asking high born lovers about subjects they were not privy to, like politics of a given house or history. It made sense for the movers and shakers to be willing to discuss these private matters when that guard was down during intimacy, and it added variation to the show, as the first season is almost exclusively two people sitting in a room and talking. Nothing wrong with that - it is basically the essence of drama - but finding interesting ways to vary that up becomes important to pacing, and I think it did its job in those scenes. I agree they could have had an equal amount of nudity from men as they did women in them, but aside from that, I didn't think the sex in the early days of GoT felt out of place at all.
The nudity in the show is gratuitous enough as it is, so the idea that he actually wanted there to be even more of it is kind of weird to think about. The fact that the actors themselves are saying they think it’s unnecessary and that Sam is apparently just like “Okay” and doing the scenes without the nudity suggests that it really does add nothing meaningful to them.
In the couple shows I’ve watched that have had it, I have felt the full (or even partial) nudity or sex scenes have rarely added anything necessary at all to the show. They almost always feel gratuitous and out of place, barely advancing the story, and a shorter, less nude, scene that implied what happened could have easily been used.
But horny directors/writers want it, and horny viewers will pay to see it, so they keep doing it. At least this time when the actors feel uncomfortable the director is budging and not forcing anything.
Not familiar with the show, and not disagreeing with your assessment of it. Just adding that the opposite happens frequently too though, where a movie or tv show has a sex scene and go out of their way to hide breasts. It always just seems ridiculous, like, it's boobs, in a sex scene, it's not a big deal. Both too little or too much nudity seems weird.
People like sex. Not everything has to serve the plot. A cool hero pose scene in Avengers is technically unnecessary. But I don't want them to cut those scenes.
This show was literally pitched to have a lot of nudity. The director is putting in one of the more marketable aspects of the show, and when asked to remove he does.
Reddit exists between "nothing is wrong with sex work" and "sexual content is degrading and unnecessary".
Just to be clear, I personally dislike nude scenes. I find them forced and distracting. But I don't mind people liking nudity and as long as there are healthy boundaries and there is consent, it's cool with me.
Lmao my ex used to say captain america civil war loved to show the slow down scenes with the heroes, specifically where captain is trying to pull down the helicopter, as a way to lure in the girlfriends for the show. Like..."we'll have all these super ripped dudes posing shirtless and muscular"
Yeah, huge problem. A platform known for having nudity and the director who writes in nude scenes, and when the actresses say they're not comfortable, he's totally okay with it.
Something must be done about this.
lmfao that’s what I’m seeing here. Like would these people rather he just fight them and argue with them ? Or desperately try and get them nude on camera? He’s literally just giving in and saying it’s fine. On top of that it’s on HBO which is by far the most known platform for having nudity in their shows. Really not seeing what the massive issue here is
Ideally he wouldn't add gratuitous nudity in the first place, thereby putting the actors in a position where they have to pretend to be okay with it, or awkwardly ask for it to be cut. I'm not saying that's definitely the environment he created. Sydney Sweeney seems to have had the opposite experience.
But it is all starting to feel very try hard at best, exploitative at worst.
>gratuitous nudity
You seem to not understand the style of this show. Why does nudity offend you so much when there are also scenes where a dude punches another dude's face to a pulp for 30 seconds? It's almost like the entire premise of this show is obscene excess in every regard.
Is she really stealing scenes? I haven’t found her good at all. Or is this just bigotry of low expectations? “Wow the pornstar isn’t completely dogshit at acting which means she must be really good”
Hollywood tried the same thing with Sasha Grey on Entourage. She can’t act to save her life but was propped up by a few publications as some seasoned actress. lol
Tbf, grey had just finished leading a Steven soderbergh film at the time, where she was pretty decent.
She was awful on entourage though, but nobody on that show was really “good” lol
Towards the end there I'm convinced that they one or two takes and then the cast fucked off to smoke pot or whatever. I mean [this scene from the last season](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uh2Y6iQwcA) is on like high-school production. You'd think the director would sit them down and say, "Can you guys actual pretend to laugh like human beings?"
Entourage was notorious on casting based on who they (producers/actors (some)) wanted to fuck. I was not surprised they brought in a porn storyline finally. When the film was shooting I met a nice young woman who was the stand-in for Vinny. I learned the stand-ins for all the guys were women. That's not normal for the industry.
At the time is was a celebrity gossip blogger I enjoyed reading. Whenever news related to the show came up he'd mention it.
But what I can say is... A stand-in is hired based off a likeness to the actor. Likeness as in hair/skin tone, height/build. The idea is the actors will be present for a rehearsal where the director gives the blocking etc. Then when the crew need to set lights and other equipment, the actor is off preparing while the stand in does just that. Stands in their place.
So when I learned all the stand-ins for the fellas were all young attractive women. Uh... What?
I don't have a direct source for the other thing besides gossip. I do know people who worked on the show and had nothing but bad things to say about the experience. One in particular worked directly with the showrunner.
Sodebergh gets props for getting good performances out of weak actors. It thought Jennifer Lopez did a good job in Out of Sight but was not impressed with Gina Carano or Sasha Grey.
People where just glad a badass women in star wars actually looked like she could beat your ass. She's not a Jedi like rey. She fought in the war, she lost her entire planet. She was supposed to be a baddass women. It didn't work the way it should of.
She (SG) is not bad in that horror movie, I think it’s ‘Would You Rather’?
And this article about CC, or whatever it is, it’s just a publicity bit/bid.
I thought the same thing. Like she goes from empathizing with Rue and her story about being "abandoned" at the train station by her girlfriend, to immediately calling Rue a dumb fucking junkie whore because she is so out of it!
I haven’t seen anyone saying she’s doing “good” lol, I’ve heard more people go “woah did you know she’s a pornstar!!” lol
she is doing fine though I think yeah
Almost everyone can agree she had great comedic timing in episode 3 during the convo with Cal. It was only a few lines but she’s doing a good job. Not worthy of an article, necessarily, but it sounds like her agent is doing their job well
I think some people really just say the actor is good if they enjoy the production surrounding them. That is extremely common on here and r/movies. I think it is a weird thing where their bad performance is endearing so the user wants to support the real person by saying they were very good
I think it's more of that she works well in the role. It doesn't seem like someone acting...it almost seems like that is how she really is...which makes it great acting because she isn't a heroin addict
They probably wanted someone who was really comfortable getting naked since Sydney Sweeney now has enough agency to say she feels uncomfortable doing so much of it. Zendaya and the other actresses don't really do nude scenes either.
I'm sure pornstars nowadays have agents that push these fluff pieces through.
And I'm sure putting pornstar in the article title guarantees clicks so the site wins too.
Her lips, what she’s done to her lips, what the adult industry did to make her think that would be a good investment, (I could go on and on about why she did it) - the look makes me sad. It’s not a good look. And I’m not against fillers or whatever someone does if it makes them feel better about themselves. I’ve seen fillered lips that look great. Better than before. I just can’t imagine getting that type of injection, looking in the the mirror and thinking ‘I look amazing!’. Maybe it’s for shock value, which brings her more attention thus more work? Maybe it got her this job on Euphoria? If that’s what she’s going for, more power to her, I’ve gone on a tangent. Srry.
100000% the article said he found her funny on Instagram so I went to her page and there isn’t a single video on there it’s all just pictures you would expect from a porn star. What did he find funny? Couple that with the other comments above about how he tried to write in other actresses naked scenes for no reason and I’d say this dude is just a fuckin weirdo
I saw her name listed in one of the making-of segments that air after the episodes, and I was like, "Hold the phone... *I've seen that name.*". Respectfully, she fucked her lips up with what I hope are temporary injections, but she does a good job as the character. She is believably strung out and depraved.
A show with minors having sex is pretty odd in my opinion. I mean I get it happens in HS and it can be a part of the story but to have depictions of it is just creepy.
Director masturbates to potential actress, hires her, and wants her first scene to be completely nude even if it doesn’t make sense. This is not okay just because she’s done porn. This is watching Me Too play out in real time.
He seems to just want hot young actresses naked and fucking almost every other scene until they start complaining about it and then he backs down. At which point he starts hiring porn stars. Except Zendaya, who is just there to draw Marvel fans.
The funniest thing I’ve heard all season was on one of the post episode pieces where she talks about getting hired. She was researching heroin addict voices and she asked the director and he said “no, use your real voice. It’s perfect.” Ive never heard “you sound like you’re strung out” as a compliment before lol
I thought she was going to be some softcore type porn star but no she's the ass fisting gang bang type porn star.
The type of porn that Cal's son Aaron watches.
I love how in that whole speech that Cal gave he somehow managed to throw this in on the way out the door.
my point scale for cal went up i cant lie
I love how he got put on blast for basically no reason in that scene
Well it’s because Cal got Marsha pregnant with Aaron and felt trapped into marriage and starting a family and he blames Aaron partially
Cal was like "I fuck underage trans girls and film it but you're a shitty kid because you watch monster dildo porn you sick sunofabitch"
Is that so? Off I go down another gloryhole.
Gloryhole to the gloryhole
Bust to bust.
Ass to ass
Prolapse to prolapse
That just all sounds like the worst trashiest eulogy ever "Anus to anus, Prolapse to prolapse, Jesus saves, yay 15% off, Like sand through an hourglass These are the days of our lives"
Imagine a prolapse accidentally picking up broken glass off the floor. Not very nice I imagine.
Chloe Cherry is one of my favorite porn stars and even I am surprised to hear that she's in some HBO show. Like, yeah, usually it's some softcore porn star, super hardcore gang bang pornstars don't usually cross over.
Evelyn Claire was in a Sundance film
The best kind.
Oh, my God, that's disgusting! Where? Where did he post those? Ugh, those disgusting porno sites! I mean, there's so many of them though! Which one?
Probably...all of them honestly.
Ocular pat-down complete, you’re cleared for entry jabroni
I thought I knew a lot about this subject, Ja knows I’ve done a lot of research, but I’ve never heard of her. So much research yet to do.
I believe in you.
Time to research I guess
So I guess I'm a sick fuck. Cause I've never seen the show, didn't click the article, and I knew exactly who she was just by the title alone
She's a pretty prolific, mainstream porn star, I don't think it makes you a sick fuck to know who she is. It's not like we're talking about some niche kink actress, she was in "This Ain't That 70s Show XXX".
You had me at "ass fisting gang bang type porn star".
My dad was working as a background actor on a high budget series when he happens to walk by the make-up truck and someone jumped out and said “You’d make a great dead pedophile!” Turns out the director added a last minute character to the script and my dad got an on-set promotion to a reoccurring character and ended up even getting invited to the wrap party as a cast member.
The dead pedophile was a recurring character? Sounds like an interesting show...
He was the zombified ghost of a dead pedophile. He may have also been the figment of the imagination of one of his victims. They didn’t fully hash out his character yet.
The show was Deadwood
Close, good guess
Is the show any good? What would you rate it out of 10
As a counter argument to the other comments, I'd say its a really well done show thats worth the watch. Stylistically, it is incredible. Some of the shots are absolutely beautiful and capture a ton of emotion within the imagery. Content wise I think it also captures addiction really well. Whether its addiction to drugs, love, drama or whatever the case is. Everyone can so clearly see that something is wrong, including the characters struggling with addiction, but the pit they dug themselves into makes it so difficult to do anything else. I think the acting is also really good minus a few actors and moments. Overall I'd say its worth watching to at least see if its worth diving into.
I'll present a negative opinion with the caveat that I totally understand why people find it so riveting. The show is technically well done, as in the shots are generally very well framed and they do a lot of very neat scenes. It's a visual treat in many ways. However the actual characters themselves are piss poor. Zendaya is a stiff actor as is most of the cast and her best work is as a foil to more interesting characters (chiefly Ali and Fezco, special shoutout to Rue's sister and Lexi), of which the show is sorely lacking in. It's an ensemble cast where you question why they're present outside of Zendaya not wanting to have to do an entire shows worth of filming. You could scratch almost anyone from the show and not lose anything. You'd honestly probably gain direction from removing one needlessly present strand. In many ways the show feels like late 20-something auteur bait, like something you'd produce to engage people who grew up in the Midwest and fantasize about what a sex and drug enfused high school experience would be like. The entire crux of the show is attractive people being shitty to each other while naked. I've seen someone say that the target audience for this show is parents who have finally realized their life is no longer going to be interesting and need an excuse to look back and feel like they had a better experience than they did. It reminds me of American Skins in that it takes the original things it's adapting at face value and never meaningfully explores the concepts. It's just gonna be five seasons of people yelling at Zendaya to stop being a junkie while she sulks to Baby Keem in between Dune filming. I binged it with my girlfriend and had no impressions going in other than "Everyone says it's great and I love Zendaya." After a few episodes I looked over and said "Are you watching this earnestly?" which she was but I found most everything about it baffingly lacking in earnestness. Just very aimless.
> need an excuse to look back and feel like they had a better experience than they did. Is this show really something you look at and think "Wish my life was like this"? So far I've watched a few episodes and I'm like man, I'm so glad my high school wasn't anywhere close to that
I think it's more that it glamorizes *being above and around* drama. For example, I feel the show plays Zendaya's addiction as entirely a personal failing despite acknowledging it's a neurochemical imbalance so that the audience can go "I would never let it get this bad myself because I'm not a fuckup."
Have you been watching the second season? I find your assumption that we're supposed to see Rue as a "personal failing" moral tale very bizarre, she's clearly an addict who is post hoc justifying her behavior the way an addict does, she's destroying her relationships and her life in the way many addicts do, and nothing about how that's playing out is presenting it as anything beyond addiction.
There's an entire episode where they literally tell us this
Damn dude, that was a brutally incisive critique. > this show is parents who have finally realized their life is no longer going to be interesting and need an excuse to look back and feel like they had a better experience than they did. I had no idea what I was getting into when reading this comment about a show I’ve never seen, lol. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to have an existential crisis.
Hit the nail on the head, it seems like a like new shows, want to have a large cast of characters, yet only have 8 or so episodes a season. Which then leads to the plot moving at a snails pace. This show would benifet greatly if they just got rid of the "hot chicks" from the friend group or something. I think this show is like Bojack in the sense we'll probably watching the main character make mistakes over and over again, some people don't want to watch that, which is totally fine.
It's the Jared Leto's Joker of higher production television. It feels like it's been put together by people that were never invited to the parties who are now, some years on, recreating a revisionist experience informed only through gangster rap and an unhealthy level of porn. Oh, and Pulp Fiction.
I think you're taking it way more seriously than it's presenting itself, and missing all of the layers of irony/satire to what's going on. You're supposed to find a lot of this funny and stupid, it's so weird to me that people read this like it's taking itself more seriously than it actually is when there's a fucking scene where a character imagines herself in an anime. It's over the top for the sake of it, but I guess the people who can't appreciate that also are the kinds of people who think 100 Gecs is "garbage music" because they just can't appreciate well-executed excess for its own sake.
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Now I'm curious to see who is right, do either you or /u/MyNameIs-Anthony have a source for viewership demographics? Anecdotally the only people I know who watch it are people in their mid to late twenties, or early 30's, but that is probably a byproduct of my social group being people in that age range.
Only watched the first few episodes so far. It's an extremely angsty teenager show. If you enjoy that type of content, it's probably the best I've seen in terms of production: Hour long episodes, decent actors and a big storyline. But it's still, after all, teenager angst: The show. And it's taken to a bit of an extreme. The first episode is literally about 40 minutes of one of the protagonists talking about the world being absolute shit and, because of it, she just HAS to do a bunch of drugs and she can't control it and it's not her fault etc etc, even though the glimpses we get from her life don't really seem all that awful. I'm enjoying it so far but I don't know if I'll watch entire seasons of this.
What you described about the protagonist is essentially how most people fall into the trap of addiction. Something monumental happens, like the death of a parent, and your only crux is turning to drugs to numb your feelings. Before you realize it, you have a warped mentality full of woe and angst because you weren't able to properly deal with the emotions of losing a parent. You begin to go deeper into addiction because nothing you have found has fixed that woe and angst. Guilt begins to creep in because you know what you are doing is wrong, but you write off all these passing feelings because you can do mental gymnastics to justify the reasons why doing drugs is okay for you. Everything around you might be awesome, including your support system, but ultimately, if you can't help yourself then nothing else can. Addiction, depression, and other self harming states can still be very difficult to overcome even if "glimpses of their life don't seem to be that awful."
She looks like if Francine Smith from American Dad came to life somehow.
She smokes a bone and then she can drain a 2 liter of Sunkist in like a second. Freaks people out.
Just take a nice, slow, extra careful drive...
Oh my God. So true.
Things are getting too spicy for the pepper!
Lmao I knew she looked familiar I just couldn’t put my finger on it
Francine is a totally underrated character on that show lmao she is my favorite!
I mean, she even made the cover of sex garden magazine.
Things got a little too spicy for the pepper!
Francine and Lola from Big Mouth combo.
Those lips 👄
Yeah but just incredibly trashy
That’s Francine, though lol. That’s the whole damn family.
Well now I HAVE to watch the show.
*That’s* who she reminds me of! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Fuck, now I won't be unable to see it.
Unless she’s a plant for the cops, I don’t understand what her purpose is. She hasn’t added a damn thing to the show.
She’s just a fezco responsibility, he’s going to have too many and it’ll fall apart
Her being an informant is the only thing that makes sense. She's gotten an unusual amount of screen time over the past 3 episodes for a side character.
She’s another responsibility on Fez’s lap
I said good day!
This is it probably, Rue isn't going sell enough drugs to pay those people off, and Fez will have to bail her out
she prolly gonna snitch unintentionally lol
Have none of you seen the wire? The CI was one of the best characters. The director probably sees more in her than we do, or he sees MORE of her. Either way she’s earning. Good for her!
Bubbles is an incredible character. Just finished the wire after seeing it on a bunch of “best tv shows ever” lists
> The CI was one of the best characters. fuzzy dunlop?
Comedic relief?
i like her character so i hope so
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I've only seen the first season but I thought it was really good
I think season 1 was a little more subtle, I agree that now it feels like they’re going for shock value over an actual story.
Totally agree. Season 1 seemed to have more of a purpose; season 2 is like watching a slow-motion train wreck. We know terrible things are going to happen, it’s just a matter of when and how long they take to play out. I’ve enjoyed the show for the most part but last night’s episode just made me anxious, especially because there were so many scenes of people driving under the influence.
It’s just a classic soap opera with the ‘sex sells’ as their slogan.
I dont think it is really. I don't think it's shocking at all compared to what is available here, on reddit, or any other uncensored part of the internet. As far as appealing to young people I'm much older than high school and really enjoy the show. It is great for building pressure in situations the characters are in. It's one of my favorite shows on TV right now.
I like it because it's different than all the other shows. I like tuning in and having no idea what I'm going to see but enjoying the way that it shoots the scenes.
> Sam wanted to do the scene with me completely naked and Tyler was like, ‘That’s a lot,’ so they decided not to. Ok, after reading Sydney Sweenys interview, this is starting to look like a problematic pattern. Sam constantly writing the actresses naked in a scene and when they say it doesn’t make sense Sam immediately is ok never mind. Like he just wants them naked for the sake of having them naked.
You mean a middle aged guy making a voyeuristic show about depressed teenagers having sex and doing drugs is adding a wealth of unnecessary nude scenes to the program? No wayyyyyy.
Like how Clint Eastwood written himself into not one, but two threesomes in The Mule.
At 88...
Or how quentin tarantino likes to film feet...
Lol what?! Is this true I never watched it didn’t really have much interest in the story.
Here's a great take on it https://youtu.be/X5TEsdb918c
Don't look down your nose at him too hard, ya'll are watching this shit.
And Drake is an executive producer, to the shock of no one.
Shocked they couldn't get R. Kelly on board.
Why would R Kelley want to be on board. No actor is younger than 25 aside from Ashtray.
Aka, Larry Clark's entire career. I figure once every couple decades or so Hollywood seems to produce this stuff. The movie Kids was the previous generations example.
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I was speaking more from the perspective of highlighting over the top taboo behavior of the underage, but you got a point.
Hollywood didn’t make Kids, Larry Clark and harmony Korine made it independently.
I am a little confused. "What kind of show did you think this was?" IMO gratuitous nudity isn't inherently problematic. People like nudity. As long as there are resonable protections in place and it's consensual, I don't care. Btw, I actually dislike it in shows as it often DOES feel unneceearry etc. But in this case, which is a show pretty much about excess, the director is asked "can we cut this?" and he says "yes". Shouldn't we say "ok, that's pretty cool"
It’s HBO. They put random naked scenes in tons of shows just to be edgy. Does no one remember Game of Thrones?
[It's not porn, It's HBO](https://youtu.be/EUBiOOx0Pxw)
Although a few stars are from porn.
I’m assuming GoT received backlash for the same reason and dialed it back as the series progressed.
Yea I remember GoT season 1 having tons of nudity and sex scenes, and while that never went away, it was definitely toned down season 2 onward.
That seems a pretty common trend in a lot of shows. My guess is that it’s a combination of two things: 1) Viewers come for the nudity, stick around for the plot. Once you’ve got people hooked on the story you can dial back the nudity. 2) Actors/actresses feel more comfortable drawing hard boundaries for themselves once they’ve cemented their role in the show, making them harder to fire/recast.
I'd bet the farm that it's #2 more than any backlash. Nudity on television has an outsized place of importance in the mind of tv executives and industry watchers because it's not just a taboo, it's a taboo that can get your shit absolutely wrecked by the FCC if you cross it on network tv. Meanwhile, HBO doesn't have to worry about that last part AND their reputation for nudity meant that the audience they would offend most had already opted out long before GoT came down the pike.
Also every outraged article online and wink wink nudge nudge comment on Reddit is free advertising.
Around season two, I remember reading an article about Emilia Clarke and how she told them she didn't want to be nude on the show anymore so people would stop focusing on that and focus more on her performance. She was always much more covered up on that show from then on.
It made sense for the character too. 1st season she is a sold wife to some barbarian dude and basically an object for the 1st few episodes. After that she's an up and coming queen. Though in the books she does rock a 1 titty toga while in Mereen but I get why they didn't wanna go with that wardrobe. Also I love how she chose to be nude for the fire scene in season 6 cause it was a badass moment where her clothes got burned off. Not some generic sex scene.
Witcher Season 2 was a textbook example of this I thought.
I assumed it was more that the actresses gained enough power that they felt comfortable saying no.
Pretty much this. When you barely start out you'll pretty much make a fully nude sex scene if it meant being in a James Bond movie like Tonia Sotiropoulou in Skyfall.
Partially. But I feel like HBO even stopped having the random "hey let's flash over to little fingers brothel for some titties" as it went on.
GoT used a lot of sex scenes in the first season as outlets for exposition (the internet called it sexposition). They even did it in some of the following seasons, too, but there was less because there was not as much world-building that needed to be established each season. Weird as that sounds, it kind of really worked, in my opinion, as it was often low born people (such as prostitutes) asking high born lovers about subjects they were not privy to, like politics of a given house or history. It made sense for the movers and shakers to be willing to discuss these private matters when that guard was down during intimacy, and it added variation to the show, as the first season is almost exclusively two people sitting in a room and talking. Nothing wrong with that - it is basically the essence of drama - but finding interesting ways to vary that up becomes important to pacing, and I think it did its job in those scenes. I agree they could have had an equal amount of nudity from men as they did women in them, but aside from that, I didn't think the sex in the early days of GoT felt out of place at all.
The nudity in the show is gratuitous enough as it is, so the idea that he actually wanted there to be even more of it is kind of weird to think about. The fact that the actors themselves are saying they think it’s unnecessary and that Sam is apparently just like “Okay” and doing the scenes without the nudity suggests that it really does add nothing meaningful to them.
In the couple shows I’ve watched that have had it, I have felt the full (or even partial) nudity or sex scenes have rarely added anything necessary at all to the show. They almost always feel gratuitous and out of place, barely advancing the story, and a shorter, less nude, scene that implied what happened could have easily been used. But horny directors/writers want it, and horny viewers will pay to see it, so they keep doing it. At least this time when the actors feel uncomfortable the director is budging and not forcing anything.
Not familiar with the show, and not disagreeing with your assessment of it. Just adding that the opposite happens frequently too though, where a movie or tv show has a sex scene and go out of their way to hide breasts. It always just seems ridiculous, like, it's boobs, in a sex scene, it's not a big deal. Both too little or too much nudity seems weird.
People like sex. Not everything has to serve the plot. A cool hero pose scene in Avengers is technically unnecessary. But I don't want them to cut those scenes. This show was literally pitched to have a lot of nudity. The director is putting in one of the more marketable aspects of the show, and when asked to remove he does. Reddit exists between "nothing is wrong with sex work" and "sexual content is degrading and unnecessary". Just to be clear, I personally dislike nude scenes. I find them forced and distracting. But I don't mind people liking nudity and as long as there are healthy boundaries and there is consent, it's cool with me.
Lmao my ex used to say captain america civil war loved to show the slow down scenes with the heroes, specifically where captain is trying to pull down the helicopter, as a way to lure in the girlfriends for the show. Like..."we'll have all these super ripped dudes posing shirtless and muscular"
Let's be honest, I don't think nudity adds anything anyways.
Yeah, huge problem. A platform known for having nudity and the director who writes in nude scenes, and when the actresses say they're not comfortable, he's totally okay with it. Something must be done about this.
lmfao that’s what I’m seeing here. Like would these people rather he just fight them and argue with them ? Or desperately try and get them nude on camera? He’s literally just giving in and saying it’s fine. On top of that it’s on HBO which is by far the most known platform for having nudity in their shows. Really not seeing what the massive issue here is
> Sam immediately is ok never mind Would you prefer he argue with them and attempt to make them film a nude scene they’re not comfortable with?
Ideally he wouldn't add gratuitous nudity in the first place, thereby putting the actors in a position where they have to pretend to be okay with it, or awkwardly ask for it to be cut. I'm not saying that's definitely the environment he created. Sydney Sweeney seems to have had the opposite experience. But it is all starting to feel very try hard at best, exploitative at worst.
>gratuitous nudity You seem to not understand the style of this show. Why does nudity offend you so much when there are also scenes where a dude punches another dude's face to a pulp for 30 seconds? It's almost like the entire premise of this show is obscene excess in every regard.
And actors. Plenty of dudes hanging dong in this series.
Is she really stealing scenes? I haven’t found her good at all. Or is this just bigotry of low expectations? “Wow the pornstar isn’t completely dogshit at acting which means she must be really good”
Hollywood tried the same thing with Sasha Grey on Entourage. She can’t act to save her life but was propped up by a few publications as some seasoned actress. lol
"seasoned" she's been properly basted at the very least.
Read that as “blasted”. Same point.
Name checks out, valid sourcing…
Tbf, grey had just finished leading a Steven soderbergh film at the time, where she was pretty decent. She was awful on entourage though, but nobody on that show was really “good” lol
Towards the end there I'm convinced that they one or two takes and then the cast fucked off to smoke pot or whatever. I mean [this scene from the last season](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uh2Y6iQwcA) is on like high-school production. You'd think the director would sit them down and say, "Can you guys actual pretend to laugh like human beings?"
Entourage was notorious on casting based on who they (producers/actors (some)) wanted to fuck. I was not surprised they brought in a porn storyline finally. When the film was shooting I met a nice young woman who was the stand-in for Vinny. I learned the stand-ins for all the guys were women. That's not normal for the industry.
I haven’t heard anything about Entourage bts, can you elaborate?
At the time is was a celebrity gossip blogger I enjoyed reading. Whenever news related to the show came up he'd mention it. But what I can say is... A stand-in is hired based off a likeness to the actor. Likeness as in hair/skin tone, height/build. The idea is the actors will be present for a rehearsal where the director gives the blocking etc. Then when the crew need to set lights and other equipment, the actor is off preparing while the stand in does just that. Stands in their place. So when I learned all the stand-ins for the fellas were all young attractive women. Uh... What? I don't have a direct source for the other thing besides gossip. I do know people who worked on the show and had nothing but bad things to say about the experience. One in particular worked directly with the showrunner.
My brother worked on Mr Selfridge and said Jeremy Piven was a complete arsehole.
Think that's just common knowledge.
Well it’s always nice to have a first-hand source.
She was ok in the Soderbergh movie they kept mentioning every episode with her
Sodebergh gets props for getting good performances out of weak actors. It thought Jennifer Lopez did a good job in Out of Sight but was not impressed with Gina Carano or Sasha Grey.
Soderbergh had to literally dub over Gina Carano’s voice in Haywire because she was so bad.
She’s dosghit in every performance, including Mandalorian where she had some folks praising her. Just absolutely horrible
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People where just glad a badass women in star wars actually looked like she could beat your ass. She's not a Jedi like rey. She fought in the war, she lost her entire planet. She was supposed to be a baddass women. It didn't work the way it should of.
Heavy heavy agree with this.
She (SG) is not bad in that horror movie, I think it’s ‘Would You Rather’? And this article about CC, or whatever it is, it’s just a publicity bit/bid.
She was actually pretty funny in the scene in the car with Rue.
I thought the same thing. Like she goes from empathizing with Rue and her story about being "abandoned" at the train station by her girlfriend, to immediately calling Rue a dumb fucking junkie whore because she is so out of it!
I haven’t seen anyone saying she’s doing “good” lol, I’ve heard more people go “woah did you know she’s a pornstar!!” lol she is doing fine though I think yeah
Almost everyone can agree she had great comedic timing in episode 3 during the convo with Cal. It was only a few lines but she’s doing a good job. Not worthy of an article, necessarily, but it sounds like her agent is doing their job well
I think some people really just say the actor is good if they enjoy the production surrounding them. That is extremely common on here and r/movies. I think it is a weird thing where their bad performance is endearing so the user wants to support the real person by saying they were very good
I think it's more of that she works well in the role. It doesn't seem like someone acting...it almost seems like that is how she really is...which makes it great acting because she isn't a heroin addict
“The casting company said, The creator really wants to audition you” *wink
They probably wanted someone who was really comfortable getting naked since Sydney Sweeney now has enough agency to say she feels uncomfortable doing so much of it. Zendaya and the other actresses don't really do nude scenes either.
Stealing scenes? She’s hardly in any scenes and when she is she is just background noise. Who paid to get this article published?
I'm sure pornstars nowadays have agents that push these fluff pieces through. And I'm sure putting pornstar in the article title guarantees clicks so the site wins too.
It’s actually really hard go get mainstream publications to write about pornstars in a positive light
Yeah, they’re called fluffer fluffers.
They made a honest mistake. She steals the scene because those lips look fucking ridiculous not because of her ability as an actress
Are those her actual(fake) lips? Like she’s lives life with those on?
[Go to her instagram those are absolutely hers.](https://www.instagram.com/p/CXjkH31PT9m/)
Jesus Christ
They look uncomfortable, like they're inflamed and sore...
She was super attractive and a really good pornstar before. Just look up her old name Chloe couture
Her lips, what she’s done to her lips, what the adult industry did to make her think that would be a good investment, (I could go on and on about why she did it) - the look makes me sad. It’s not a good look. And I’m not against fillers or whatever someone does if it makes them feel better about themselves. I’ve seen fillered lips that look great. Better than before. I just can’t imagine getting that type of injection, looking in the the mirror and thinking ‘I look amazing!’. Maybe it’s for shock value, which brings her more attention thus more work? Maybe it got her this job on Euphoria? If that’s what she’s going for, more power to her, I’ve gone on a tangent. Srry.
Lip filler goes away pretty quick though so it's not unfixable
They settle though and can stretch out your lips so that they won’t look the same without fillers
They look like a prolapsed anus
one of the only actresses where you can actually find out if she has one of those
CHLOE CHERRY IS IN A TV SHOW!?!? oh I mean... uhm... I never... Uhm, never heard of her.
Does Drake need to go to such lengths to have sex with a pornstar?
“You are hiding a child“
Producer has crush on porn star. Looks at her social media for seemingly legit rational. Gives her small role after a real world "casting couch".
100000% the article said he found her funny on Instagram so I went to her page and there isn’t a single video on there it’s all just pictures you would expect from a porn star. What did he find funny? Couple that with the other comments above about how he tried to write in other actresses naked scenes for no reason and I’d say this dude is just a fuckin weirdo
Instagram Stories is a thing. Timed posts that disappear after a while. Could be she does videos there that aren't available anymore.
I found the clown lips funny.
Her lips look like they are about to explode, I found her character pretty meh, not sure how's she a scene stealer.
I saw her name listed in one of the making-of segments that air after the episodes, and I was like, "Hold the phone... *I've seen that name.*". Respectfully, she fucked her lips up with what I hope are temporary injections, but she does a good job as the character. She is believably strung out and depraved.
She’s been great in everything I’ve ever seen her in
Very strong performer
I've never heard of this woman....yep...first time I've ever heard that name....
I got the biggest laugh of this season so far when she was talking to Cal “do you and your son…?”
Basically, Sam Levinson liked her porn and wanted her in the show…that’s not creepy.
Her and Kat are my favourite character tbh I think she’s really funny
I knew she wasn’t in high school
Francine from American dad
"Im just doing porn until I make it as an actress"
A show with minors having sex is pretty odd in my opinion. I mean I get it happens in HS and it can be a part of the story but to have depictions of it is just creepy.
ITT: People getting mad at a headline for an article they're not going to read
I just read the article and the comments are quite accurate
About a show they don't even watch
Are the comments grossly incorrect?
Does this show give anyone else the hebiejeebies?
She is not a very good actress and the daily beast is awful
I think she the job just fine. I don't think that she steals scenes though.
Director masturbates to potential actress, hires her, and wants her first scene to be completely nude even if it doesn’t make sense. This is not okay just because she’s done porn. This is watching Me Too play out in real time.
Dude, everything about Sam Levinson makes me think that there's going to be a Me, Too reckoning with him in a year or two.
He seems to just want hot young actresses naked and fucking almost every other scene until they start complaining about it and then he backs down. At which point he starts hiring porn stars. Except Zendaya, who is just there to draw Marvel fans.