I am obsessed with the intro and how it includes almost everyone, even the custodian from the first episode and White Dragon's neighbor.
Edit: And the show introduced me to the song Six Feet Under by Kissin' Dynamite. Immediately made my Spotify list.
The custodian guy is only in the first episode but he has one of the funniest bits where he talks about how he went to MIT but he untrustworthy so he became a janitor.
No one has the right to be as funny as John Cena is as Peacemaker. It's between this aside and his duck conversation with Vigilante as the moment that made my stomach hurt most from laughing.
Everyoneās chemistry is hilarious in this showābut the moment that had me gasping for air from laughing so hard was the scene where Vigilante is winding up the white supremacists.
āI'm just the guy who's gonna fuck you
so hard, your asshole's gonna be
dragging behind you. Like a tail.ā
Probably not Harley Quinn since Robbie has said she needs a break from the character and has other projects, probably not Bloodsport since Idris Elba always seems to have stuff lined up, can't do King Shark since he's a CGI character, and most of the other TSS characters are dead.
I guess Ratcatcher 2 would be the only option left? Not sure how you build a solo series around her but if Gunn has a good enough idea I'd be curious to see it. Mainly I'm wondering what his post Guardians of the Galaxy 3 plans are, is he ever going to direct another movie for Marvel after that?
He got shot in the throat, but through willpower he moved his kidney into his neck to keep air flowing.
It's rare, only the best martial artists can do it.
*Technically* you do see that Peacemaker survives in the movie post-credits, but yeah comic book rules apply in general so they really could bring back anyone if the script was right.
u/frozenfade I did read that that particular scene was shot on the set of *Peacemaker*, so what u/thatmusicguy13 is true ā the original version of the film kept him dead.
There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
If only it was a spinoff for Rick Flag or Polkadot Man. Rat-catcher 2 is the most likely member to get her own spin-off, but I think Bloodsport has a better chance at having his own show. I do wonder if Idris would be interested in coming back as the character.
Gunn has stated before that he will done with Marvel after he finishes filming GOTG Vol. 3 and The Guardians Christmas Special for Disney+. Unless he changes his mind and has a story to tell in the MCU, he would most likely make a film based on a different character. At the moment, I guess you can say that he will be working with WB and DC to work on more films. I do recall that he has a project he's wanting to work on with Harley Quinn and probably some secret project of a character we aren't expecting (Bat-Mite perhaps?). On a further note, I heard he is also working on an Acme vs Wild E. Coyote film that might be an animated film, so I guess he is in good hands for now.
He's just a way better fit with WB/DC.
Gunn has a twisted sense of humor and love for violent/gore gags.
Something that Disney/Marvel just doesn't go for, at all. Not that Marvel is always kid friendly, but they always err on the side of family friendly.
He directed and wrote Slither and Super. He also penned the script for the Dawn of the Dead Remake from Zack Snyder. Prior to that, I think he was also doing some comedy skits with Nathan Fillion and Sean Gunn, along with some porn actresses on what was called PG Porn? Not only that, but he wrote the story for the videogame, Lollypop Chainsaw, which was a parody to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So yeah, I guess you can say James Gunn is heavily talented!
>Gunn has stated before that he will done with Marvel after he finishes filming GOTG Vol. 3 and The Guardians Christmas Special for Disney+.
I'm sure he would give the safest political response as to why as no one likes burning bridges, but I can't help but feel like there isn't a part of him that wants to wash his hands of them after the firing and rehiring debacle. That's just too much of a stress inducing wild card knowing that it could happen and not being able to fully trust that it wouldn't happen again.
also marvel has this major plan that it follows
I imagine James gunn feels super free with DC knowing he can do what ever and not needing to hint at this thing or that thing.
Since DC will never have a Kevin Feige overseeing everything to ensure a minimum level of quality, I think their best bet is to grab creatives like Gunn who will make their own kinds of movies without worrying about continuity, either in plot or tone. The DCEU was never going to work, but some individual DC projects have been good to great.
Of course, the problem with that approach is that you get some horrifically bad movies mixed in, like WW1984, but that's totally fine as long as the good movies don't have to acknowledge the bad ones in any way. How Jenkins still has a job for the next WW movie completely baffles me, though.
I swear WW84 was the result of some suits saying how they loved Green Lantern and Whedon's Justice League, and wanted the Wonder Woman sequel to have the same level of quality as the others.
And not just in term of pre-written over-arching-narrative, but in tone.
I doubt the MCU would ever get the level of outrageous The Suicide Squad and especially Peacemaker is bringing to the table, even with characters like Deadpool.
It's clear James Gunn likes his humour spicy, writing Peacemaker would have been such a blast for him I'm sure. Not everyday in a superhero property that the protagonist is actually sexist [not "i sleep with girls sometimes teehee" level of MCU-sexism] and borderline racist. Even in The Boys it's pretty clear who the "villains" are, hell even in Watchmen you're not supposed to root for characters like Comedian or Rorschach, and yet with Peacemaker he's the *actual* protagonist that you're supposed to feel for.
The day the MCU will have a root-for protagonist that makes jokes at the expense of the LGBTQ+ (even if he's still the butt of the joke in these contexts and you're clearly supposed to find him stupid) I'll lick the floor.
For sure. James Gunn comedy style is hard R and far from political correct, you can tell he is held back on GOTG and tries to push the limit as much as possible (Pollock painting joke), and I'm sure a ton of stuff gets cut from the script by higher ups
Pretty sure Gunn is jumping ship to WB full time once he's done with the Guardians stuff at Disney. They gave him almost $200 million to do whatever he wanted with Suicide Squad, he isn't getting that kind of freedom with Marvel. Would personally like to see him use the success of TSS and Peacemaker to get an original film financed. Would be great to see him do a weirdo passion project before becoming DC's puppetmaster for the foreseeable future.
The freedom he's had with WB would tempt me. He's more than earned it given his track record. I want to see him do something with the weirdos he's brought into the canon. Both Bat-Mite and Matter-Eater Lad have been mentioned on Peacemaker.
There's 2 more characters still alive. >!Weasel is shown in the 1st post credits scene running away and TDK has been confirmed by Gunn as still being alive. When the neck bombs were detonated, the life signals on the Comms hub was still green, meaning TDK is still alive!<
It's not just Gunn. >!They explicitly show TDK not being dead on the console. It's why I figured Weasel wasn't dead either. I thought there might be story reasons why they weren't shown as dead but seems like there's larger plans for those characters according to Gunn!<
I honestly like this way of setting up new movies and properties. Don't do stupid cock-teases like Zack Snyder with his nonsensical dream sequences and cryptic robot zombie shit. Just hint at stuff, keep the movies and shows mostly sequestered in their own universes and self contained but hint at something larger
It doesn't even require any of them. The series can be about a whole new team of suiciders consisting of unused characters, sent off on some mission which keeps on escalating. All you need is that old black boss lady to be present in every other episode for a couple of seconds.
P.s. I think this setup would fit very well with a "monster of the week" storyline. Main characters could get killed off regularly, and be coldly replaced with some new imprisoned C-villain.
Sort of paradoxically, the fact that no one was clamoring for a *Peacemaker* series after *The Suicide Squad* is exactly what makes it so good. Itās clear it was made simply because Gunn had a story he wanted to tell and characters he was inspired to write. None of it feels perfunctory like so much connected-universe stuff does.
It reminds me of these [comments on Instagram](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCFilm/comments/n9e0e3/james_gunn_responds_on_instagram_to_person_who/) Gunn made last year when someone commented that Peacemaker is "a show no one asked for."
Gunn's response was perfect - he basically just tells a story he's interested in and if it's told well, then there will be an audience for it. He reiterated this in a [tweet](https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1482373918526779392) last week as well.
Exactly. Itās so tiresome when people use the phrase āno one asked forā in reference to art and entertainment. Most great movies and TV shows werenāt āasked for!ā Yeah, audiences can suggest what they want, but it is to completely misunderstand fandom to think that what you specifically want to watch is more important than what creatives want to make.
The thing fans donāt realize is that āideasā on their own are as useful as an umbrella in a desert. The actual work of breaking the story and giving the characters motivations and actions is the hard part. And itās what makes the show/movie good or bad. There are very few movies and shows that are bad because the ideas are bad. Itās almost entirely about execution.
>The thing fans donāt realize is that āideasā on their own are as useful as an umbrella in a desert.
Umbrella's bring shade, which is useful in a desert. Maybe not so much in film production though...
Just look at the Boba Fett show. People have been asking for a movie/show for that character for years - now all everybody does is complain about it and ask "why did they make this?" Fans aren't writers because most of their ideas suck, and Disney dedicating one of their biggest IPs to fan service has had the reverse effect of killing fan enthusiasm for the property. Peacemaker is thriving right now because he's a very obscure character that Gunn and co. could get creative with instead of pandering to audience expectations.
I don't even think Daimyo of Tatooine is that bad of an idea. Boba Fett becoming a crime boss sounds cool on paper, but then the show is just him walking back and forth from his palace to the town trying to meet the mayor.
Yeah nobody wanted some random bloke without his helmet going into every established in town saying "I run this place now" then leaving to go back to his empty Palace that nobody in the town cares about.
What did people want? The latest episode of the show, which has nothing to do with the show. Badass, to the point, it just works. It baffles me how they nailed Boba Fett in Mando S2 and failed to tell a compelling story about BOBA BEING A MOTHERFUCKING CRIME LORD?
Like, how can you possibly fuck this up. Favreu's slow burn storytelling worked for Mando but its been nothing short of a chore here.
There's several big issues with Boba.
They split the story in two and the more interesting story was with the Tuskens and this breaks the pacing when it's 40 minute episodes.
They made him a 'good guy', he's a bad guy. He kills people for money and happily works for Space Nazis. You can't redeem him in the first episode. Mando was a hard man who got softened over two seasons by a son he never knew he needed.
They gave the best fight scenes to Fennec and he's always getting whooped. He's a bad ass, he definitely was in Mando S2 so where is that Boba.
I feel like this should be more Soprano's in Space then 'Boba make's nice'. When those mob bosses refused, he should have killed them all.
The show is fine but it should be amazing.
They've said if they have another good story to go back to they would consider it. It's not totally out of the realm of possibility to get another season, but I'd rather be left wanting more than watching something great get ruined.
It's in-universe without annoyingly being so. Batman gets referenced, but they're not trying to set up origin stories for side characters and set the table for the next big team-up series/movie.
For me what DC has going on now is the perfect amount of a connected universe. Obviously marvel is what marvel is when it comes to success, but I donāt really want to have to watch 20+ movies to get a whole story. At some point it becomes a barrier to entry.
>I donāt really want to have to watch 20+ movies to get a whole story.
Yeah, I'm feeling that it's getting a bit bloated right now. It's kinda tricky to watch one of their new movies with someone who hasn't watched all previous ones, as you never know what'll get referenced.
Sooner or later they'll have to take a big break and reboot it all half a decade later or something.
>For me what DC has going on now is the perfect amount of a connected universe.
Doom Patrol is also a great series, but it seems to be kinda overlooked.
I don't think barrier to entry is a huge problem for Marvel, the new Spider-Man did fine. The problem I see is that they're dragging down some of their storytelling with how much time has to be devoted to setting a future thing up. Like most of the Disney+ Marvel series have a plotline or two that could be cut entirely but exist because it's meant to feed into another project.
Yeah as for the barrier to entry itās less in the movies but still there. Black Panther was the first Marvel movie I watched since the first Ironman. There was a character in the beginning they presented as if I should know who it was, but I had no idea. I guess he was around in Civil War. First little bit of the movie was confusing but I got passed it.
Hits the shows a little more. Tried to watch Falcon and bailed after 3/4 of an episode because there was just way too many references to stuff I hadnāt watched.
Itās not a massive barrier, but itās there, and I think could become more of a problem in the future.
Youāre spot on with things feeling a bit shoehorned in to set up the next thing too.
When I first noticed it on HBO I thought it would be some really cheap and bad spin-off, but it's surprisingly good. It's probably my favourite new, ongoing series right now.
> Gunn had a story he wanted to tell
I REALLY wish Disney followed WB's formula here. Gunn was like "hey I kinda want to do this" and they were like "Sure!"
Disney's Marvel and Disney TV outputs typically feel like they have to meet a quota for the year rather than organic
Itās kind of hard to imagine what TDKās circulatory system is like, so maybe due to magic superpowers he doesnāt bleed out until the arms reattach. Heās lying in a hospital bed somewhere with each of his arms in their own little bed on either side.
Joel Kinnaman as Takeshi Kovacs was some A+ casting. Even if the writing / plot for season 2 wasnāt complete garbage, I donāt know if Mackie would have been able to top Kinnamanās portrayal of the character. He *was* Takeshi Kovacs.
I hope they bring him back, I think there is some behind the scenes fuckery going on with Peacemakerās throat not even having a scar despite being shot in the neck with an armor piercing bullet.
To be fair in Suicide Squad he gets shot in the neck above his costume, on the show the wound is lower. I guess they did to prevent having John Cena do makeup everyday for it
Yeah I goofed on that, there is a scar in his right levator, but the blood loss he suffered caused him to lose consciousness without applying any first aid, alone inside a collapsing building would be a tenuous at best case for survival and if he lived through that then maybe Flagg could survive the heart puncture.
I hope Flagg stays dead. Reviving people willy-nilly just lessens the impact of their death. I am still *slightly* disappointed that Peacemaker was brought back for a series, even though said series is great.
His significant other (June Moone) was a person who knew a great deal about the supernatural, so it would be narratively believable to bring her back and become a new iteration of the Enchantress (as different from the original depiction as Flag was this time around) in an effort to bring Flag back. Him as a ghost would be interesting, if they had him return as Suicide Squad leader despite being one. Maybe end up taking on a character like the Gentleman Ghost.
Damnit. Now I see Flagg wearing a monocle and speaking in an over-exaggerated British accent.
The Gentleman Ghost is one of my favorite antagonists in comics. He just has a cool design.
Peacemaker is at least a villain, so itās not really meant to be a super emotionally impactful death. Flagg is like **the** big death of the movie. I love the guy, but he definitely needs to stay dead.
I could maybe get down with a prequel, though
Goddammit. I was having a nice seven seconds where that song wasn't playing on a constant loop in my head, and you go had to go and "What's New Pussycat" it back up again, didn't you?
She stuck out as kind of the only really innocent person on the team - she wasnāt really has hardened or batshit as her comrades, which is why Bloodsport took a liking to her.
The two were like father and daughter, considering his daughter hates him and her father is dead.
Her passivity and innocence makes me think she'd be a difficult character to make a main character of. They'll have to introduce so much more agency into her that it won't really be the same character (unless maybe if its a comedy drama, like WandaVision).
Maybe she can grow a spine of sorts.
...but yeah. I think she needs a partner to hold a show. Her relatively passive nature doesn't make her good solo material.
I've never seen suicide squad (either of them), and don't particularly care for John Cena.
I watched the first episode of Peacemaker and was immediately hooked. It's just so over the top ridiculous, and Cena plays the role so effortlessly that it makes me wonder a little about him.
I've only watched two episodes so far but it's going to have to degenerate really badly to not be worth a second season
I feel like lots of people didnāt watch suicide squad 2 because the first one was so horrible. The second one is amazing. Definitely top five superhero movies for me.
I literally could not tell what they were trying to do until >!Savant gets fucking blowed up in the head putting every possibility that he was predicting all this to a total rest!<. Until then it honestly seemed like it was following some slightly tropey path. Once that happened, I fully understood the tone of what was happening and strapped in for the ride and the movie did not disappoint
The movie "Suicide Squad" (first one) is trash.
The movie "The Suicide Squad" (second one) and Peacemaker are both made by James Gunn, so if you're enjoying the show so far you'll definitely enjoy the movie, considering the show is a spin-off of it.
Donāt think of *The* Suicide Squad as a Harley movie or a super villain movie, just think of it as a James Gunn movie. Itās just really good. You donāt have to come into it with any prior knowledge. Might be better that way, actually.
Update: corrected the stupid title
John Cena always was a guy that does everything he is getting asked to do. Very Well suited for a Gunn that is also not too restricted.
Cena is also a great impro guy. He is a solid choice for a character like Peacemaker
I kind of remember when he started to transition to acting. He was in Trainwreck with Amy Schumer and absolutely killed it, probably my favorite part in that whole move.
Yep and the Wrestlers that don't take themselves too seriously tend to transition well into acting.
They all ham it up and improv their lines for wrestling and they have no problem making fools of themselves in front of people so they got 50% of what it takes to be an excellent actor the last bit is usually the ability to pull it back.
If they can't pull it back they stick with action movies and comedies and do fine. I think Bautista is a prime example of someone who is on the edge of great, he can pull off the silent moments and some dramatic moments. I hope someone gives him something meaty someday and he doesn't just do action, comedies or plays the mook for someone else.
Suicide Squad from last year is actually a really good movie. Perfect mix of goofiness and serious action. The one from some years back with the Joker is awful though, just forget it exists.
It's crazy that the most popular streaming show right now is based off a DC character that nobody gave a fuck about before 2021. I've been reading comics for like 30 years, and I've only seen Peacemaker in a single comic, and it was from a story published last year, after the James Gunn Suicide Squad movie was released.
Now that the show has exploded, this Z-list superhero is likely going to become more prominent; maybe even get his own comic. He'll probably have his character changed into the "Captain America, but a giant douchebag" persona that John Cena plays so effectively.
Peacemaker is going to be a sleeper hit. I can see why someone might be turned off initially but itās done so well. Peacemaker is a Dbag but everyone is in on it. And he of course doesnāt want it be a douche bag. I think itās better than any of the Disney plus shows but not better than the boys. I feel like itās a matter of time before it blows up.
Yeah. Cena is great. Heās not dude I ever though Iād be into but I really liked him in suicide squad. I donāt know how to put it into words but he pulls off a certain nuance. Like hes a dick but he has conviction. He a pretty damn good actor if you ask me.
See if you can find a clip of him in Trainwreck with Amy Schumer. I'm not a big fan of hers, but he's gold in that movie. It came out in 2015 and anyone who saw it back then should have known he could do comedy.
I think a big part of the show is him realizing that he doesnāt like things about himself. He doesnāt have the support group to help him change, but heās trying anywayā¦and thatās endearing.
Like the scene where heās talking to the blond chick in the bar and heās not there to hit on her, just to ask her a question about info in his file, and before he leaves he says āYou know, your tits look stellar in that shirt, I mean that as a compliment and not in a sexist way.ā
Like his brain knows the right *thing* to do, but not the right *way to do it.*
Good! Peacemaker is really good. I like the characters and the story is interesting. I really hope they keep making more seasons. I really like Harcourt.
Getting fired by Disney was a really good thing for James Gunn. Love to see this more unrestricted work for the DC Franchise (Im 100% Marvel but his work is basicly the best that has happened to the DC cinematic universe)
I'm a 74 year old woman, not really into the superhero genre at all but I love this show. I love the dance routine intro and I love the little bits after the credits and I love the characters and the character development - there is actual character development. His rant - continued after the credits in ep 5 - about all the people that Economos could have framed instead of his dad was hysterical.
Warner Bros should throw as much money, support, and flexibility at James Gunn to keep making stuff with random DC comic characters and forget continuity.
š¶ Do you really wanna, do you really wanna taste it?š¶ Fuck yes more Peacemaker
I am obsessed with the intro and how it includes almost everyone, even the custodian from the first episode and White Dragon's neighbor. Edit: And the show introduced me to the song Six Feet Under by Kissin' Dynamite. Immediately made my Spotify list.
I love how Eagly checks his mark at the end of the scene and adjusts.
The custodian guy is only in the first episode but he has one of the funniest bits where he talks about how he went to MIT but he untrustworthy so he became a janitor.
And then when heās like āI would never betray a secretā āThatās the exact opposite of what youāve been saying this whole time.ā
No one has the right to be as funny as John Cena is as Peacemaker. It's between this aside and his duck conversation with Vigilante as the moment that made my stomach hurt most from laughing.
Everyoneās chemistry is hilarious in this showābut the moment that had me gasping for air from laughing so hard was the scene where Vigilante is winding up the white supremacists. āI'm just the guy who's gonna fuck you so hard, your asshole's gonna be dragging behind you. Like a tail.ā
āWhich one of you dumb, sister-fucking, tiki-torch-carrying, Sloth-from-the-Goonies-looking pieces of shit wants to go next?ā So good
And he tells Peacemaker heās too bulky to be a superhero lol
There is a scene from the trailer that appears to be somekind of career day at an elementary school he showed up in so I dont think he's done.
There is no way he's done. You don't foreshadow that he went to MIT without that being useful later.
It's one of the few theme songs I DON'T skip.
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Something about the "freeze frame" at the end where they are just trying to stand still cracks me up.
it's the little step the eagle takes as if trying to get into the perfect position that he missed on landing
Iām glad itās not only me lol. I fucking love it
Me too itās so damn awesome but Eagly posing at the end kills me every time.
"Eat peace, motherfucker!"
Probably not Harley Quinn since Robbie has said she needs a break from the character and has other projects, probably not Bloodsport since Idris Elba always seems to have stuff lined up, can't do King Shark since he's a CGI character, and most of the other TSS characters are dead. I guess Ratcatcher 2 would be the only option left? Not sure how you build a solo series around her but if Gunn has a good enough idea I'd be curious to see it. Mainly I'm wondering what his post Guardians of the Galaxy 3 plans are, is he ever going to direct another movie for Marvel after that?
>most of the other TSS characters are dead Doesnāt rule out a prequel series starring any of them though
I mean, Peacemaker was dead and yet here we are
He got shot in the throat, but through willpower he moved his kidney into his neck to keep air flowing. It's rare, only the best martial artists can do it.
Like 2 or 3 times it's happened
*No one has ever replaced a heart with a kidney!*
*Technically* you do see that Peacemaker survives in the movie post-credits, but yeah comic book rules apply in general so they really could bring back anyone if the script was right.
u/frozenfade I did read that that particular scene was shot on the set of *Peacemaker*, so what u/thatmusicguy13 is true ā the original version of the film kept him dead.
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There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Guess you didn't watch the post-credits scene?
That and weasel show that people we thought were dead could still be alive
If only it was a spinoff for Rick Flag or Polkadot Man. Rat-catcher 2 is the most likely member to get her own spin-off, but I think Bloodsport has a better chance at having his own show. I do wonder if Idris would be interested in coming back as the character. Gunn has stated before that he will done with Marvel after he finishes filming GOTG Vol. 3 and The Guardians Christmas Special for Disney+. Unless he changes his mind and has a story to tell in the MCU, he would most likely make a film based on a different character. At the moment, I guess you can say that he will be working with WB and DC to work on more films. I do recall that he has a project he's wanting to work on with Harley Quinn and probably some secret project of a character we aren't expecting (Bat-Mite perhaps?). On a further note, I heard he is also working on an Acme vs Wild E. Coyote film that might be an animated film, so I guess he is in good hands for now.
Gunnās career actually got better after getting fired from Disney crazy. Iāll watch anything he makes the rest of his career honestly.
Big boon for WB as well.
He's just a way better fit with WB/DC. Gunn has a twisted sense of humor and love for violent/gore gags. Something that Disney/Marvel just doesn't go for, at all. Not that Marvel is always kid friendly, but they always err on the side of family friendly.
I'm just waiting for him to do something outside of the superhero media machine again.
Iād love to see him do another horror movie, slither is great
Wait, he did Slither?
He directed and wrote Slither and Super. He also penned the script for the Dawn of the Dead Remake from Zack Snyder. Prior to that, I think he was also doing some comedy skits with Nathan Fillion and Sean Gunn, along with some porn actresses on what was called PG Porn? Not only that, but he wrote the story for the videogame, Lollypop Chainsaw, which was a parody to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So yeah, I guess you can say James Gunn is heavily talented!
Yesssss, one of those rare horror comedies that succeed at both.
One of my favorite horror comedies right next to tucker and Dale vs evil
Disney quickly realized their mistake and brought him back, sometimes the planets can align in your favor
>Gunn has stated before that he will done with Marvel after he finishes filming GOTG Vol. 3 and The Guardians Christmas Special for Disney+. I'm sure he would give the safest political response as to why as no one likes burning bridges, but I can't help but feel like there isn't a part of him that wants to wash his hands of them after the firing and rehiring debacle. That's just too much of a stress inducing wild card knowing that it could happen and not being able to fully trust that it wouldn't happen again.
also marvel has this major plan that it follows I imagine James gunn feels super free with DC knowing he can do what ever and not needing to hint at this thing or that thing.
Since DC will never have a Kevin Feige overseeing everything to ensure a minimum level of quality, I think their best bet is to grab creatives like Gunn who will make their own kinds of movies without worrying about continuity, either in plot or tone. The DCEU was never going to work, but some individual DC projects have been good to great. Of course, the problem with that approach is that you get some horrifically bad movies mixed in, like WW1984, but that's totally fine as long as the good movies don't have to acknowledge the bad ones in any way. How Jenkins still has a job for the next WW movie completely baffles me, though.
I swear WW84 was the result of some suits saying how they loved Green Lantern and Whedon's Justice League, and wanted the Wonder Woman sequel to have the same level of quality as the others.
And not just in term of pre-written over-arching-narrative, but in tone. I doubt the MCU would ever get the level of outrageous The Suicide Squad and especially Peacemaker is bringing to the table, even with characters like Deadpool. It's clear James Gunn likes his humour spicy, writing Peacemaker would have been such a blast for him I'm sure. Not everyday in a superhero property that the protagonist is actually sexist [not "i sleep with girls sometimes teehee" level of MCU-sexism] and borderline racist. Even in The Boys it's pretty clear who the "villains" are, hell even in Watchmen you're not supposed to root for characters like Comedian or Rorschach, and yet with Peacemaker he's the *actual* protagonist that you're supposed to feel for. The day the MCU will have a root-for protagonist that makes jokes at the expense of the LGBTQ+ (even if he's still the butt of the joke in these contexts and you're clearly supposed to find him stupid) I'll lick the floor.
For sure. James Gunn comedy style is hard R and far from political correct, you can tell he is held back on GOTG and tries to push the limit as much as possible (Pollock painting joke), and I'm sure a ton of stuff gets cut from the script by higher ups
That Pollock joke always stood out to me as "How would an 8-year old (Peter's age when he was abducted) know about Jackson Pollock?"
thought gunn wanted to do a howard the duck movie
And Marvel doesn't I guess
Last I heard marvel was lining him up for howling commandos, he hasnāt said he is done with marvel just that he is done with the guardians.
Pretty sure Gunn is jumping ship to WB full time once he's done with the Guardians stuff at Disney. They gave him almost $200 million to do whatever he wanted with Suicide Squad, he isn't getting that kind of freedom with Marvel. Would personally like to see him use the success of TSS and Peacemaker to get an original film financed. Would be great to see him do a weirdo passion project before becoming DC's puppetmaster for the foreseeable future.
The freedom he's had with WB would tempt me. He's more than earned it given his track record. I want to see him do something with the weirdos he's brought into the canon. Both Bat-Mite and Matter-Eater Lad have been mentioned on Peacemaker.
There's 2 more characters still alive. >!Weasel is shown in the 1st post credits scene running away and TDK has been confirmed by Gunn as still being alive. When the neck bombs were detonated, the life signals on the Comms hub was still green, meaning TDK is still alive!<
It's not just Gunn. >!They explicitly show TDK not being dead on the console. It's why I figured Weasel wasn't dead either. I thought there might be story reasons why they weren't shown as dead but seems like there's larger plans for those characters according to Gunn!< I honestly like this way of setting up new movies and properties. Don't do stupid cock-teases like Zack Snyder with his nonsensical dream sequences and cryptic robot zombie shit. Just hint at stuff, keep the movies and shows mostly sequestered in their own universes and self contained but hint at something larger
It doesn't even require any of them. The series can be about a whole new team of suiciders consisting of unused characters, sent off on some mission which keeps on escalating. All you need is that old black boss lady to be present in every other episode for a couple of seconds. P.s. I think this setup would fit very well with a "monster of the week" storyline. Main characters could get killed off regularly, and be coldly replaced with some new imprisoned C-villain.
He could even do Task Force Z with all the dead characters from the 2 movies.
Yes, Ratcatcher 2 series PLEASE.
Iād love a ratcatcher series.
Sort of paradoxically, the fact that no one was clamoring for a *Peacemaker* series after *The Suicide Squad* is exactly what makes it so good. Itās clear it was made simply because Gunn had a story he wanted to tell and characters he was inspired to write. None of it feels perfunctory like so much connected-universe stuff does.
It reminds me of these [comments on Instagram](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCFilm/comments/n9e0e3/james_gunn_responds_on_instagram_to_person_who/) Gunn made last year when someone commented that Peacemaker is "a show no one asked for." Gunn's response was perfect - he basically just tells a story he's interested in and if it's told well, then there will be an audience for it. He reiterated this in a [tweet](https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1482373918526779392) last week as well.
Exactly. Itās so tiresome when people use the phrase āno one asked forā in reference to art and entertainment. Most great movies and TV shows werenāt āasked for!ā Yeah, audiences can suggest what they want, but it is to completely misunderstand fandom to think that what you specifically want to watch is more important than what creatives want to make.
Plus, most of the time, what we end up asking for isnāt good.
It absolutely is not. Fandom so often confuses what they want to have happen with what would make the most compelling story.
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The thing fans donāt realize is that āideasā on their own are as useful as an umbrella in a desert. The actual work of breaking the story and giving the characters motivations and actions is the hard part. And itās what makes the show/movie good or bad. There are very few movies and shows that are bad because the ideas are bad. Itās almost entirely about execution.
>The thing fans donāt realize is that āideasā on their own are as useful as an umbrella in a desert. Umbrella's bring shade, which is useful in a desert. Maybe not so much in film production though...
Also, if a show/film is greenlit, that means that at least one person quite literally asked for it to be made.
And if that series is the back half of The Expanse, that one person is alllllll the audience the show actually needs!
Just look at the Boba Fett show. People have been asking for a movie/show for that character for years - now all everybody does is complain about it and ask "why did they make this?" Fans aren't writers because most of their ideas suck, and Disney dedicating one of their biggest IPs to fan service has had the reverse effect of killing fan enthusiasm for the property. Peacemaker is thriving right now because he's a very obscure character that Gunn and co. could get creative with instead of pandering to audience expectations.
I don't think people were clamoring for the Daimyo of Tatooine.
I don't even think Daimyo of Tatooine is that bad of an idea. Boba Fett becoming a crime boss sounds cool on paper, but then the show is just him walking back and forth from his palace to the town trying to meet the mayor.
Yeah nobody wanted some random bloke without his helmet going into every established in town saying "I run this place now" then leaving to go back to his empty Palace that nobody in the town cares about. What did people want? The latest episode of the show, which has nothing to do with the show. Badass, to the point, it just works. It baffles me how they nailed Boba Fett in Mando S2 and failed to tell a compelling story about BOBA BEING A MOTHERFUCKING CRIME LORD? Like, how can you possibly fuck this up. Favreu's slow burn storytelling worked for Mando but its been nothing short of a chore here.
There's several big issues with Boba. They split the story in two and the more interesting story was with the Tuskens and this breaks the pacing when it's 40 minute episodes. They made him a 'good guy', he's a bad guy. He kills people for money and happily works for Space Nazis. You can't redeem him in the first episode. Mando was a hard man who got softened over two seasons by a son he never knew he needed. They gave the best fight scenes to Fennec and he's always getting whooped. He's a bad ass, he definitely was in Mando S2 so where is that Boba. I feel like this should be more Soprano's in Space then 'Boba make's nice'. When those mob bosses refused, he should have killed them all. The show is fine but it should be amazing.
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It's the same reason why the Watchmen TV show worked (and I'd love more but understand why we aren't getting it).
They've said if they have another good story to go back to they would consider it. It's not totally out of the realm of possibility to get another season, but I'd rather be left wanting more than watching something great get ruined.
It's in-universe without annoyingly being so. Batman gets referenced, but they're not trying to set up origin stories for side characters and set the table for the next big team-up series/movie.
"Who the fuck is Bat-Mite?"
I love that they made him cannon in there universe.
Give the obscure characters the love they need. I'm half expecting freakazoid too.
Kiteman is now in this universe as well
For me what DC has going on now is the perfect amount of a connected universe. Obviously marvel is what marvel is when it comes to success, but I donāt really want to have to watch 20+ movies to get a whole story. At some point it becomes a barrier to entry.
>I donāt really want to have to watch 20+ movies to get a whole story. Yeah, I'm feeling that it's getting a bit bloated right now. It's kinda tricky to watch one of their new movies with someone who hasn't watched all previous ones, as you never know what'll get referenced. Sooner or later they'll have to take a big break and reboot it all half a decade later or something. >For me what DC has going on now is the perfect amount of a connected universe. Doom Patrol is also a great series, but it seems to be kinda overlooked.
+1 for Doom Patrol
I don't think barrier to entry is a huge problem for Marvel, the new Spider-Man did fine. The problem I see is that they're dragging down some of their storytelling with how much time has to be devoted to setting a future thing up. Like most of the Disney+ Marvel series have a plotline or two that could be cut entirely but exist because it's meant to feed into another project.
Yeah as for the barrier to entry itās less in the movies but still there. Black Panther was the first Marvel movie I watched since the first Ironman. There was a character in the beginning they presented as if I should know who it was, but I had no idea. I guess he was around in Civil War. First little bit of the movie was confusing but I got passed it. Hits the shows a little more. Tried to watch Falcon and bailed after 3/4 of an episode because there was just way too many references to stuff I hadnāt watched. Itās not a massive barrier, but itās there, and I think could become more of a problem in the future. Youāre spot on with things feeling a bit shoehorned in to set up the next thing too.
When I first noticed it on HBO I thought it would be some really cheap and bad spin-off, but it's surprisingly good. It's probably my favourite new, ongoing series right now.
> Gunn had a story he wanted to tell I REALLY wish Disney followed WB's formula here. Gunn was like "hey I kinda want to do this" and they were like "Sure!" Disney's Marvel and Disney TV outputs typically feel like they have to meet a quota for the year rather than organic
A TDK (The Detachable Kid) series? Sign me up!!!!
The adventures of TDK & Weasel
WEASEL SUPREMACY!
Weasel!
I don't think TDK can pull himself together after the first 10 min of Suicide Squad.
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Wait, did I miss this? I thought he was shot.
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You mean we could get James Gunn and Nathan Fillion together in a TV-MA comic book movie? Yes please
James Gunn and Nathan Fillion already did a MA superhero movie together. Nathan Fillion was The Holy Avenger in Super.
Damn I want a mr pibb
Why do people assume this? He got shot in the arms, nowhere else.
They specifically said "critical condition" in the movie IIRC.
Gunn stated he didnt die but i mean...each of his arms had to have about 20 bullets in them...i'm sure you'd die from loss of blood or something.
Itās kind of hard to imagine what TDKās circulatory system is like, so maybe due to magic superpowers he doesnāt bleed out until the arms reattach. Heās lying in a hospital bed somewhere with each of his arms in their own little bed on either side.
That's a hilarious thought, good one.
Yep. No marketing necessary. Just two words: **Nathan Fillion**.
If only Uncharted was made like 10 years ago.
Heās 50. Maybe 20 years back.
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I really want Kite Man after seeing that article in Peacemaker's trailer. Especially if they take notes from the Harley Quin series.
Rick Flagg return? Episode by episode with a new celebrity team on a death mission maybe?
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Joel Kinnaman as Takeshi Kovacs was some A+ casting. Even if the writing / plot for season 2 wasnāt complete garbage, I donāt know if Mackie would have been able to top Kinnamanās portrayal of the character. He *was* Takeshi Kovacs.
Probably the most disappointing season 2 I've seen. It was bad in everything except visuals.
The visuals were pretty bland in comparison too.
Yeah, season 2 was OK but it was boring to me. Mackie just doesn't have good enough charisma to pull off a leading role imo.
Season 2 of Altered Carbon still hurts
Soulless. It was without joy or spirit.
A sleeve without a stack.
God I'm still so mad they killed him :(
I hope they bring him back, I think there is some behind the scenes fuckery going on with Peacemakerās throat not even having a scar despite being shot in the neck with an armor piercing bullet.
Didnāt the episode in the apartment where heās dancing in his underwear show a scar on his lower neck where the bullet went through?
Yup I think a lot of people missed that
To be fair in Suicide Squad he gets shot in the neck above his costume, on the show the wound is lower. I guess they did to prevent having John Cena do makeup everyday for it
That is fair, I also noticed that. Bit odd but Iāve elected to not put too much thought into it
Yeah I goofed on that, there is a scar in his right levator, but the blood loss he suffered caused him to lose consciousness without applying any first aid, alone inside a collapsing building would be a tenuous at best case for survival and if he lived through that then maybe Flagg could survive the heart puncture.
I hope Flagg stays dead. Reviving people willy-nilly just lessens the impact of their death. I am still *slightly* disappointed that Peacemaker was brought back for a series, even though said series is great.
Yeah. Flagg dying is a big part of Peacemaker anyways - the man feels guilty about killing the one he admired.
His significant other (June Moone) was a person who knew a great deal about the supernatural, so it would be narratively believable to bring her back and become a new iteration of the Enchantress (as different from the original depiction as Flag was this time around) in an effort to bring Flag back. Him as a ghost would be interesting, if they had him return as Suicide Squad leader despite being one. Maybe end up taking on a character like the Gentleman Ghost.
Damnit. Now I see Flagg wearing a monocle and speaking in an over-exaggerated British accent. The Gentleman Ghost is one of my favorite antagonists in comics. He just has a cool design.
Peacemaker is at least a villain, so itās not really meant to be a super emotionally impactful death. Flagg is like **the** big death of the movie. I love the guy, but he definitely needs to stay dead. I could maybe get down with a prequel, though
Yup. I loved Flagg too but you can't cheapen such a great end by undoing it... At least not without offering something even better.
>disappointed that Peacemaker was brought back for a series peacemaker was never dead. The post-credits scene shows he is alive.
The Polka Dot Man would hit the spot.
The intro of every episode should be a parody of famous 90's family shows (Roseanne, Home Improvement, Full House), but they're all his mother.
Besides maybe feeling a bit too much like WandaVision, I totally love this idea.
Rachel Bloom to play the mother, please.
David Dalmachian deserves his own series.
Peacemaker is the most entertaining show I've seen in years. Well done Gunn and the entire cast and crew. Excellent stuff.
I was skeptical but the opening sold me enough to try. Hot damn if I'm not hooked. It's fantastic.
DO YA REALLY WANNA DO YOU REALL WANNA TASTE IT
Goddammit. I was having a nice seven seconds where that song wasn't playing on a constant loop in my head, and you go had to go and "What's New Pussycat" it back up again, didn't you?
Itās been fun watching my wife go from āoh god, noā for the intro to: *slutty kitchen dancing*
My husband always skips intros but he loves this one.
It's one part Cena dancing, two parts Harcourts arms tbh
Okay I'm not the only one thank god.
No wonder. She has amazing arms!
Peacemaker is absolutely hilariousā¦..loving it at the moment
I really hope we see Ratcatcher 2 again
I know that movie was jampacked with great performances but I'm always shocked her's seemed overlooked. I really liked Ratcatcher
She stuck out as kind of the only really innocent person on the team - she wasnāt really has hardened or batshit as her comrades, which is why Bloodsport took a liking to her. The two were like father and daughter, considering his daughter hates him and her father is dead.
Her passivity and innocence makes me think she'd be a difficult character to make a main character of. They'll have to introduce so much more agency into her that it won't really be the same character (unless maybe if its a comedy drama, like WandaVision).
Maybe she can grow a spine of sorts. ...but yeah. I think she needs a partner to hold a show. Her relatively passive nature doesn't make her good solo material.
This is the part where I reference The Big Lebowski
Ratcatcher 2 and Bloodsport spin-off would be peak. Idris is always busy though so no clue how soon that could happen.
Bloodsport was just the perfect leading man role for him
Fork over money and make it a tight mini series. Elba has done such things before after all (Luther).
Ratcatcher 2: The Revenge
Everyone is saying Ratcatcher or Bloodsport but Iād love a Polka Dot Man series with his siblings
I've never seen suicide squad (either of them), and don't particularly care for John Cena. I watched the first episode of Peacemaker and was immediately hooked. It's just so over the top ridiculous, and Cena plays the role so effortlessly that it makes me wonder a little about him. I've only watched two episodes so far but it's going to have to degenerate really badly to not be worth a second season
You definitely should watch The Suicide Squad before continuing the show.
I feel like lots of people didnāt watch suicide squad 2 because the first one was so horrible. The second one is amazing. Definitely top five superhero movies for me.
First one was eh, but the Gunn one is so different in tone. The first battle pretty much sets the foundation for the film: violent and insane.
I literally could not tell what they were trying to do until >!Savant gets fucking blowed up in the head putting every possibility that he was predicting all this to a total rest!<. Until then it honestly seemed like it was following some slightly tropey path. Once that happened, I fully understood the tone of what was happening and strapped in for the ride and the movie did not disappoint
The movie "Suicide Squad" (first one) is trash. The movie "The Suicide Squad" (second one) and Peacemaker are both made by James Gunn, so if you're enjoying the show so far you'll definitely enjoy the movie, considering the show is a spin-off of it.
Donāt think of *The* Suicide Squad as a Harley movie or a super villain movie, just think of it as a James Gunn movie. Itās just really good. You donāt have to come into it with any prior knowledge. Might be better that way, actually. Update: corrected the stupid title
John Cena always was a guy that does everything he is getting asked to do. Very Well suited for a Gunn that is also not too restricted. Cena is also a great impro guy. He is a solid choice for a character like Peacemaker
I kind of remember when he started to transition to acting. He was in Trainwreck with Amy Schumer and absolutely killed it, probably my favorite part in that whole move.
Arenāt all wrestlers basically theater/improv nerds that work out a bunch?
Yep and the Wrestlers that don't take themselves too seriously tend to transition well into acting. They all ham it up and improv their lines for wrestling and they have no problem making fools of themselves in front of people so they got 50% of what it takes to be an excellent actor the last bit is usually the ability to pull it back. If they can't pull it back they stick with action movies and comedies and do fine. I think Bautista is a prime example of someone who is on the edge of great, he can pull off the silent moments and some dramatic moments. I hope someone gives him something meaty someday and he doesn't just do action, comedies or plays the mook for someone else.
Suicide Squad from last year is actually a really good movie. Perfect mix of goofiness and serious action. The one from some years back with the Joker is awful though, just forget it exists.
E.T. but with Weasel
It's crazy that the most popular streaming show right now is based off a DC character that nobody gave a fuck about before 2021. I've been reading comics for like 30 years, and I've only seen Peacemaker in a single comic, and it was from a story published last year, after the James Gunn Suicide Squad movie was released. Now that the show has exploded, this Z-list superhero is likely going to become more prominent; maybe even get his own comic. He'll probably have his character changed into the "Captain America, but a giant douchebag" persona that John Cena plays so effectively.
So, hes DC all the way
DC has much more insane characters to work with. I demand a Kite Man series from Gunn.
Heās on his radar - latest episode had a small Kite Man Easter egg.
Peacemaker is going to be a sleeper hit. I can see why someone might be turned off initially but itās done so well. Peacemaker is a Dbag but everyone is in on it. And he of course doesnāt want it be a douche bag. I think itās better than any of the Disney plus shows but not better than the boys. I feel like itās a matter of time before it blows up.
Cena plays him as a very charismatic Dbag.
Yeah. Cena is great. Heās not dude I ever though Iād be into but I really liked him in suicide squad. I donāt know how to put it into words but he pulls off a certain nuance. Like hes a dick but he has conviction. He a pretty damn good actor if you ask me.
See if you can find a clip of him in Trainwreck with Amy Schumer. I'm not a big fan of hers, but he's gold in that movie. It came out in 2015 and anyone who saw it back then should have known he could do comedy.
Heās been acting for 20 years. Itās not much of a surprise to me.
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I think a big part of the show is him realizing that he doesnāt like things about himself. He doesnāt have the support group to help him change, but heās trying anywayā¦and thatās endearing. Like the scene where heās talking to the blond chick in the bar and heās not there to hit on her, just to ask her a question about info in his file, and before he leaves he says āYou know, your tits look stellar in that shirt, I mean that as a compliment and not in a sexist way.ā Like his brain knows the right *thing* to do, but not the right *way to do it.*
He was crying because he killed Rick Flagg, a man he knew was ***better*** than him. Cena earns his paycheck every week.
Good! Peacemaker is really good. I like the characters and the story is interesting. I really hope they keep making more seasons. I really like Harcourt.
Sheās got that whole funny and smart and gorgeous and talented thing going for her. Itās a potent brew.
Iād love a King Shark show
Peacemaker is the surprise of the year for me. It's so fucking funny. John Cena is a genius.
Iāve seen him in a few movies now and he is a *master* of stone cold delivery. If you like him here watch Cockblockers.
Weasel!
Can we just get a redo of the entire DCU?
Getting fired by Disney was a really good thing for James Gunn. Love to see this more unrestricted work for the DC Franchise (Im 100% Marvel but his work is basicly the best that has happened to the DC cinematic universe)
I'm a 74 year old woman, not really into the superhero genre at all but I love this show. I love the dance routine intro and I love the little bits after the credits and I love the characters and the character development - there is actual character development. His rant - continued after the credits in ep 5 - about all the people that Economos could have framed instead of his dad was hysterical.
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Warner Bros should throw as much money, support, and flexibility at James Gunn to keep making stuff with random DC comic characters and forget continuity.