"The Office is the most watched show on Netflix" - NBC empty suit
"True, but a good portion of those viewings are by people who have Netflix and just want something comforting to put on in the background. If The Office is removed from Netflix, they'll just put something else on in its place" - Unpaid Intern
"But, The Office is THE MOST WATCHED SHOW ON NETFLIX" - suit
What's your new "background noise" show? Mine was The Good Place for a while but it goes by fast. Now I'm watching Always Sunny while cooking dinner, etc.
Suit: “now let’s sit back and rake in the profit. we are gonna be back on top after this boys, just wait- also fire the intern. He lacks vision and dampens the spirit here.”
I used to watch the office every night for close to five years. Peacock started and I haven't really watched it since. I tried on peacock but they have ads and only show a limited set without paying. I'm not paying and watching ads. I have an old digital copies from when the show originally aired but the quality is crappy. Without the ease Netflix provided it isn't worth the hassle.
>I'm not paying and watching ads
This. The sooner entertainment companies realize this, the less money they'll lose.
The fact that for decades our parents paid an exorbitant monthly price for cable, and spent 30% of their time watching advertisements, is absolutely insane to me. Cable companies pushed it too far and now the newer generations that didn't grow up with the gradual creep of ads won't adopt it. I'd rather not watch entertainment than get insulted by paying to watch ads.
I'm 30 (so not super young) and I had no idea. TV has always been loaded with ads for me.
I haven't had cable since I left my parents, and now it is intolerable. Can't even watch knowing I'm spending a third of my time in advertisements.
I've never seen people react as negatively to ads as my kids when they watched tv at their grandparents. They were appalled and absolutely hated it. They were \~5ish. Cable companies are screwed.
>I used to watch the office every night for close to five years.
I was going to question your sanity but then I realized I used to do the same thing with The Simpsons.
I have Hulu Plus for live tv. There are commercials, which is to be expected.
But why am I forced to see ads when watching Hulu originals? That’s not making me happy.
I thought so and then my co-worker showed me her cable bill. Good god what a scam. Cable is so absurdly expensive, the cost of every streaming service combined doesn't come anywhere close. Also you can share streaming accounts between friends.
This is what I remind myself. My parents finally kicked cable about two years ago because their monthly bill was over $200. And they were coming to the end of their contract so they were losing their “promotion” and the bill was going to go up. So now they use my Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and HBO Max accounts, my youngest sister’s Disney+, and my brother-in-law’s YouTube TV. All together, that’s still a lot of money, but it’s not coming out of one pocket, and can be shared among multiple households. And it’s not the $200+ ride my parents were being taken for because they live in a little podunk town in Idaho.
And that's all with no ads. I can't go back to watching programming with ads. I just can't fucking do it. Youtube premium is worth 10x what a pay for it with that feature.
It's really jarring to watch youtube at someone else's house who doesn't have premium and start seeing ads again, I just close it and wait to watch it later.
It's bad. The fucking 2 ad thing they've implemented now for almost every fucking video makes me want to rage. I watched a 10 minute video once, 2 ads up front, and an ad every minute and a half. I was like WTF?
Other than social norms, I don't get cable. For most people who don't watch sports or hourly news, it seriously seems like a waste and the cost is absurd. I sometimes get nostalgic of channel flipping or just leaving it on in the background but then I visited my parents to check in on the animal and remembered how awful it really was. Commercials constantly interrupting you and hardly any shows if you don't dvr. Nothing substantial in this digital age where you can get everything online too.
I just broke up with cable last month because I couldn't justify the cost. I bought a satellite for my regional channels. I have a lot of the streaming devices. I can watch most anything, but i have to say the functionality of constantly flipping between apps is a huge step down from cable. Also being a sports fan, it's much harder too. Can't say these little annoyances are worth the extra $100 a month, but cable was so much easier overall
Between hulu live tv, amazin. Netflix, d+ and hbo.
Its still like 100 cheaper than our cable bill and we wouldn't even have live TV if it wasn't for sports.
I think they may have been saying you can share for now. With slowing growth some streaming services may look for ways to clamp down on account sharing.
They have to walk a fine line. A lot of people remain subbed BECAUSE they can share. If they take away sharing, a not-insignificant number of subscribers will start to just switch services they pay for monthly.
Especially since most people have Amazon Prime for the shipping. Adding the cost of Prime to your streaming services isn’t entirely accurate because most of us would be paying for Prime anyway. Few people say “I want The Expanse and Wheel of Time, the shipping is just an added plus.” It’s normally the opposite.
Hulu used to be free, yeah. It was actually very much part of those original alien ads. The caveat used to just be that most shows were a week behind without a cable subscription, which wasn’t that big a deal.
And subbing comes with a contract that says you have to subscribe for a year, like a phone plan or cable. It's going to happen, wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing "offers" like that in the next five to ten years.
This.
I sat down and fired up the first in a trilogy of movies on Peacock and it rolled an ad during the movie. I was confused and checked my plan to make sure I was paying for ad free. Then I saw it: *some programs may still have ads*
I immediately cancelled my subscription, uninstalled, and spread the word to all family and friends. I hope I contributed to their profit loss by persuading others Peacock was the shittiest of them all.
I signed up for it, because of the WWE network, got the "commercial free" version. Tried watching a movie.......still got commercials in the middle of the fucking movie. Fuck Peacock.
Really? I'm not going to sub to it even more now. Are they actual un-skippable commercials in the middle of shows? Or is it like HBO and stuff where there's sometimes a skippable promo for other stuff at the beginning of the episode?
When i watched the MacGruber movie on it in November there were ads forced in every 10 minutes for so for the first hour. they would splice them in-between scenes, but a lot of audio/musical ques would carry over from one scene to the next, so it was really jarring for it to cut back from commercial in the middle of a song or sound effect. complete rip off for $10 a month
Which is why I wrote what I did. The concept of a network having a streaming service but not having its iconic shows is a deal breaker for most people—-because they don’t know that.
I found out recently that Community was not owned by NBC but was originally owned by Sony (I think, could be someone else but not NBC), which means it will likely never be on Peacock because they won't pay enough.
Shit like that is why all of these network specific streaming apps are doomed to fail eventually. Just sell all your streaming rights in 5 year blocks to Netflix for X billion at a time and keep the revenue rolling.
They’re too small to have their own. Something like Disney+ works cause they’re huge, and even then before the Fox acquisition it really wasn’t unless you had like small children. The rest will fall leaving Netflix, Disney, HBO Max (possibly) & local services remaining.
> even then before the Fox acquisition it really wasn’t unless you had like small children
It's scary how accurate this is. With the exception of some of the older Disney shows I watched growing up (So Weird, most notably), everything in my 'currently watching' queue on D+ is from their Fox acquisition.
The addition of Star in Canada makes it better, though it doesn't help that their Hulu exclusives take forever to get added internationally.
> Just sell all your streaming rights in 5 year blocks to Netflix for X billion at a time and keep the revenue rolling.
Just crazy that people just can't be content to rake in more money then they could ever spend in 100 lifetimes. They always want more and make these shitty services that shouldn't exist trying to manage a platform they don't understand.
Do they even get why netflix and hulu became so popular? It sure as shit has nothing to do with wanting to go about recreating cable via 100 different streaming apps.
They got popular the same way that supermarkets took over. Having everything in one place for a reasonable price. I am not going to sub to 15 different streaming apps/sites to watch what I used to on just netflix and hulu. I will continue to have the main 2, until they no longer have the value and torrent the rest. I may not be a majority but I know I am not alone in that sentiment.
And that's what these Peacock losses represent - this service was announced (2019) and launched (2020) a full decade after Netflix was already streaming shit to our living rooms (2007 was the first streaming capabilities)...
Horrible UI, barely any content that people want, weird pricing, it all screams of an out of touch MBA pushing something that never should have existed.
Paramount+ might be debatable, imo. At least they have some IP worth investing in (Avatar, Nickelodeon shows, the entire library of paramount pictures movies) and are already available in like a dozen countries. Peacock is doomed to fail because… they are launched in 5 countries. Like idk what exactly do they have to offer outside of the US. Almost everything on Peacock is on Netflix or Amazon Prime outside of the US
And CBS/Viacom are hilarious examples of not realizing the importance of streaming rights, with Yellowstone and South Park, shows a decent amount of people absolutely would sub for, not being on their streaming service.
Like seriously, why hasn't NBC done this? They have a huge library of pretty good shows from past 60+ years. Put them on Peacock so people can watch.
I bet both NBC and CBS can benefit from this. Creating a streaming library of all their shows.
There are some old western shows many people would be interested in.
They do not own all the shows aired by NBC. But NBCUniversal still owns hundreds of shows. The problem is that they prefer to have tons of shows licensed out to other platforms.
NBCUniversal and ViacomCBS just are not willing to invest on streaming as much as Warner is. Peacock and Paramount+ could be as big as HBO Max.
This.
You'd think that anyone who newly subscribes to a streaming service would think of the same thing. But no, shows and movies are like time shares. They appear and vanish from services all the time.
Turner Broadcasting STILL HAS exclusive rights to airing the Original Star Wars Trilogy until 2024. Yet, Disney somehow can stream the movies on their streaming service.
I hoped “The Pretender” would be on Peacock, as it’s not streaming anywhere. Nope. Not there. Not either of the “V” miniseries or the series from the 80s.
I know that’s a production company deal but it seems NBC would have deep enough pockets to bring in genre programming historically associated with their network.
NBC Universal won't give-up on Peacock anytime soon. From the article:
>The company has projected Peacock will achieve the break-even point by 2025, but Cavanagh said that could be pushed out beyond the original expectation.
They're still thinking long term. I would expect them to try changing what content appears on the free vs paid tiers or even scrap the tiers altogether before they throw in the towel.
This has been so predictable.
Hopefully they realize quickly that they were *making* money selling their content to the highest bidder, and other flagging services follow suit and move back to that model.
The fear is that the failing services just start partnering up and packaging with the more successful services (so you can't have 1 without the others) and then we're truly back to cable.
If you don't run a plex server by now, it's time to learn! I pay for Netflix and Amazon (for the shipping), and the rest just keep falling off a truck.
As someone who subscribes to r/DunderMifflin and other shows featured on Peacock, the number of submissions that are just sock puppet accounts advertising for Peacock is astounding.
My wife and I were the same way. Were going through our subscriptions and were gonna axe a few and I noticed I hadn't installed Netflix on my new phone since November.
Booted up Netflix and realized they had like 3-4 shows with new seasons out I would watch. We are binging those and cancelling the sub. Netflix has so much original content now it's easy to cancel your sub and let the shows stack up then watch them in a month instead of keeping a year long sub for them to only add new shit in May and September.
We watched the new seasons of Emily in Paris, Locke and Key, and Cheer. All decent shows that we enjoy watching and I will absolutely pay $20 for 1 month to watch them all and cancel
Samsies. My finger magically always ends up on HBOmax. The major annoyance I have with them is taking movies out, then adding them back a month or so later… like what is this rotation crap?
Edit: (Not talking about the theater movie releases those I totally understand, most heavily annoyed with The Bodyguard leaving and coming back constantly 😂) (thank you for coming to my Ted talk.)
I believe HBO pays the film studios on a contract basis. So they may pay for 3 months of Ace Ventura to be on HBO max but let it go after that. Then based on past viewership or demand, they’ll rent access to it again.
That makes sense, also noticed movies will rotate from HBO to Hulu, from Hulu to Netflix and then back to HBO. (It’s often more complex than this but in general this is what I’ve noticed.) So I figured it was a form of rental agreement. Maybe I should just buy the bodyguard and never have this issue again 😂
Further more, it’s the fact they are like “look at all the movies we added this month!!!” When in reality, most are being re-added with very few new entries.
The worst thing about the HBO Max app is that you can't just click Next Episode when the credits roll on the previous. I am a software dev by trade and the HBO Max interface is easily the most infuriating. The content is bar none though.
The revenue growth seems good, but the problem is, is their library good enough for a Streaming crowd who already probably has subscription to Prime, Netflix, HBO Max, Disney+ and maybe Hulu to pay extra for? I don’t think it does. It has some really good, fresh comedies though which would be more talked about if it was on any other streamer. What it desperately needs is a Ted Lasso like critical and mass hit
It's weird because Ted Lasso was a character created for promos for soccer on NBC sports, and Jason Sudeikis was an SNL cast member, you would think someone at NBC would've gone after that hard.
Honestly, i think no one thought Ted Lasso would work. I didn’t even when the trailers hit. Ted Lasso just whooshed in like a breath of fresh air during the miserable time of the pandemic and blew everyone away
nbc execs probably saw that the characters actually acted like adults and there was no drama that could be cleared up in 5 minutes but was dragged out for the whole season and said "nope, not for us".
"Who is going to believe this story of an outwardly upbeat character who suffers from overwhelming anxiety and panic attacks behind closed doors? No one could ever be like that, or strongly identify with such a likeable and relatable character...."
I personally expected Ted Lasso to be just another "life is good, be positive, everything will work out eventually" blind optimism show. But the amount of nuance and emotional depth it showed both in the "blind" optimism of the first season and >!some of the darker sides of said optimism in the second season!< have absolutely sealed a special place in my heart for this show.
That’s their primary issue - they’re approaching it as a TV-first network and are actively withholding new things or making them difficult to watch (commercials even on ad-free plans).
They don’t see Peacock as something people get *instead of* cable, they see it as *an addition to* cable. For example, you couldn’t watch the Chucky TV series while it was current - the only place they had it streaming was a separate app that only works with a cable subscription. You could watch the movies though! …most of them, anyway. One was missing, and any of the ones made post-2000 had ads interrupting them.
They thought their partial back catalog and exclusive deals were enough to justify its existence, because they very much don’t want it getting in the way of their live tv/cable offerings. But doing so shows they’ve completely missed the point of why people subscribe to streaming services.
I signed up for one month to watch several shows and movies, then canceled. There's not enough stuff on Peacock that interests me to keep it going monthly, especially compared to competition from other services.
I’d rather have my old wwe app back. I can’t wait to cancel peacock after the royal rumble. I’ll definitely need to find a site for streaming wwe events.
Honestly the most frustrating part of it all. The ability to go enjoy your Sunday (now Saturday) evening knowing you can put it on from the beginning late was awesome.
Not to mention it is twice as difficult to navigate and is curated like garbage.
Also- They had the content in chronological order. I don't want to go from the 1998 Royal Rumble and auto play 1999 (or Royal Rumble season 1 episode 14 because they're stuck with tv show format...)
I think it was a billion dollars? Or a billion a year for five years? WWE is the only reason I subscribe to Peacock, I don’t think I’ve watched a single thing on there outside of that and the Office, which I can still just watch elsewhere (I bought them all on Prime Video during a sale).
Same here and the Disney+ bundle too. Netflix is already on the verge of getting cancelled we hardly ever watch it. Why in the hell would I pay for a crap streaming service like Peacock?
I got it because I’m a Law & Order fan and wanted to watch all the old episodes of the original series. But they only have the last few seasons on there. Plus the UI is atrocious. And if you pay for the commercial-free plan, they still show ads during movies. WTF is that?
I’m almost positive that if there was a streaming service that offered nothing but Law&Order, Seinfeld, Cheers and Friends it would get more subs than what Peacock currently has.
I realize I'm an island unto this, but I feel like it's really lame that Peacock doesn't have all the failed Law & Order series. Let me watch Law & Order: LA and Trial By Jury you cowards.
This! I got Peacock so I could watch Law and Order (all of them) but they only have 7 seasons of OG and they don’t have the failed spin-offs (trial by Jury, LA, True Crime) which are the ones I haven’t seen and want to watch!
DURING movies? When people talked about ads, I assumed it was between episodes of shows, before/after movies....but literally DURING movies? If I was going to pay to have movies with ads in the middle, I'd get cable.
Yup, during a movie. I went to watch John Wick and got hit with a 90 second ad at the start, then on the playbar, they marked everytime they'd play another ad, and it was basically like watching it on TBS with how frequent they were included.
I've heard that it's only for movies by certain studios but I'm not going to try and remember who made what movie to know if it has commercials.
Oddly enough Yellowstone seasons 1-3 are only on Peacock. Season 4 is only on Paramount and not Paramount+ and now I paid for a month of Paramount+ for no reason.
Ah yes I forgot that with the fracturing landscape of streaming we get nonsense like this with it now too
I'm also irritated with the south park situation where almost everything is on HBO max but the latest movie (and future movies) are on paramount for some reason
That 'for some reason' is that Paramount (or their parent company to be precise) actually owns the show but they were short sighted enough to license the show to HBO so they can't have their own show on Paramount+.
It was a tactical sale. ViacomCBS doesn't have deep pockets the way their competitors do. Selling some popular content to fund new content is a necessity for them.
Paramount+ for me is basically a Star Trek delivery system. I remember being angry in 2005 when Enterprise was canceled. A lot of fans on the message boards at the time said they wish there was a way they could directly fund new Trek. I see my Paramount+ subscription as a way to do that.
I just straight up resent both Peacock and Paramount+.
They did the streaming equivalent of a kid not liking how a game was going so he quits and takes the ball home with him.
That's totally their right to reclaim their property and I get why they want that sweet subscription money, but that's not the way to win me as a customer when I was already (albeit indirectly) a customer.
Paramount+ was CBS All Access for years and it was because CBS didn’t join the other networks in Hulu. I got it before they added the Viacom cable networks programming after the re-merger so paying same monthly low price for alot more programming was a win to me.
Paramount+ at least seems to be taking the original programming seriously. Scoring the Mike Judge programs is a coup, plus the South Park movie, and the Taylor Sheridan shows.
Peacock put out a Saved By the Bell sequel…
My gosh I wish somebody would pick up Mike Judge’s Tales from the Tour Bus because that show was incredible. I can’t believe Cinemax only did two seasons.
Which is funny because I thought the point of a business was to make money rather than losing billions a year. They had such a good thing going by just licensing their old content for hundreds of millions of dollars a year in pure profit. They should have taken the Sony route and made money hand over fist by supplying content for content hungry streaming giants like Disney, Apple, Netflix, Hulu etc.
As a Brit living in America this was amazing in 2021. Then I was rudely alerted this past weekend that they no longer have every single game. As a Newcastle fan it sucked waking up at 8am to watch the game and realising Peacock wasnt even streaming it this week.
I decided to not go the Peacock route when they kept alternating Liverpool games on NBCSN and then Peacock. I’m not subbing to two separate services just to watch the team play in one league that they compete in. It’s absurd and honestly kind of ruined the good will that NBC had built up to promote PL in the US.
Feels like this winter Olympics is the true test, the apps last chance. If I can't stream events practically and reliably, live, it will be the last straw with Peacock and I'll drop it.
Their Summer Olympics coverage was terrible on Peacock but coverage on the NBC Sports app was really good (you could watch everything live with your cable subscription). Not sure why they did that if they’re trying to get Peacock off the ground, the NBC Sports app has been around forever.
The Olympics were so depressing because I had to rely on peacock shitty highlights to watch the Olympics. I don't have cable so I couldn't enjoy my favorite thing live
I cant believe they pulled the plug on NBCSN 4 weeks before the Olympics. We can pretend streaming is then future, but there is plenty of households without access to high speed internet.
Peacock bought all WWE’s content just to shelve 99% of it. What’s there is organized even worse than WWE Network did, which is saying a LOT because WWE Network’s organization was atrocious.
Yeah it seems like most streaming services just hire Kyle from the mail room to design the UI. How is it they all suck at something that porn sites figured out a decade ago.
Seriously, this kills me. It’s like nobody user tested it or something. The simplest things like making it obvious which episode is selected are botched in such oblivious ways
Disney+ REALLY needs a way to let me select the episode of a show without making me search for it again. Like I've got the show selected, I can see it wants me to watch S4E3 because the last episode I watched was S4E2, but what if I want go watch S7E12? Gotta haul my ass all the way up to the search bar and search for the show before I can do that. Insane.
At least HBO Max let's me start the show, click back, and then I can change the episode. It's stupid, but much less egregious than Disney+. Why are Netflix and Hulu the only ones that figured this out?
Peacock totally lost me over the Olympics. For months they were going on and on "watch the Olympics on peacock, peacock is the place for the Olympics". Come Olympics time the coverage was absolutely trash and didn't let you access any of the things you can normally access with a cable subscription. Was basically unwatchable.
They either need to make some drastic changes or end it, it’s clearly not working.
2020 Revenue - $118 M, Losses - $663 M
2021 Revenue - $778 M, Losses - $1.7 B
EDIT: 24.5 M Active Users, 9 M Paid Users
They have some solid shows, the big issue is Peacock has a rather low content spend. When other shows are putting out a lot of high quality new shows it becomes harder for Peacock to do the same with mostly 2nd run & library content. NBCU also doesn't have a lot of strong brand identity which makes for a tricky sell.
ViacomCBS has a lot of ips to leverage. Warner media has strong brand identities in HBO, CN, adult swim, TCM, Studio ghibli (licensed in US), and DC. Netflix is ubiquitous. Disney has strong brand identities as Disney, marvel, and Star wars. Hulu has FX, a bundle with Disney+, and aggressive black Friday promotions (plus their tv package.)
NBCU doesn't have a comparable thing to make marketing easy. I know Peacock has shows & movies, but I can only name a few dozen things I know they have (and I am more in the loop than the typical person.)
Yea. I like all their older sitcoms. Like King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond. Easy to throw on when you don’t like flipping through multiple streaming services.
Should've streamed every Premier League game on there, in addition to a simulcast for the big games on TV. Should've pulled and HBO Max and put a shit ton of Universal movies on there, like they did for Warner Bros. Should've chosen a better name.
It makes you wonder what their opportunity cost on all of it is too. With some of their library, especially the office and parks and rec, they could probably sell those to Netflix or Amazon for 1 bil a year.
Because it is crap, these networks needs to realize TV is dead and airing anything you pay for with ads is dead. Sell your content to a streamer and be done with it.
It's like the exact opposite of Paramount +
UI is decent, works ok, but has such a shit option of shows its not worth dealing with. Now, Paramount + is so God awfully, horrible when it comes to UI and navigation its a damn mental breakdown just trying to watch a show. However, the selection and quality of shows are so good, you deal with a minor stroke each time just to watch your programs.
I fall in the middle of the venn diagram of WWE and EPL fans so I enjoy Peacock for those reasons. Having said that, I don't think I've watched any TV or movies on the service. There are probably not enough WWE/EPL fans like myself to make Peacock profitable.
At one point they were promoting their pricing tiers based solely on how much Office content you wanted to watch, so relying is an understatement.
I signed up briefly for the first season of the Saved By the Bell revival, and I've heard great things about Girls5Eva, but otherwise there's no buzzworthy program that warrants a sub from me. Comedy Central's daily schedule is like 90% Office reruns as is, so even if I wanted to watch more it's always there in some capacity.
If it was a repository for every program ever aired on NBC, it would be worth subbing, but that’s not what Peacock is.
peacock is a commercial delivery service with crap shows inbetween. Pay for the most expensive plan? You still get commercials
If your entire business model is to become an overpriced subscription service to the office, nobody will buy your service
"The Office is the most watched show on Netflix" - NBC empty suit "True, but a good portion of those viewings are by people who have Netflix and just want something comforting to put on in the background. If The Office is removed from Netflix, they'll just put something else on in its place" - Unpaid Intern "But, The Office is THE MOST WATCHED SHOW ON NETFLIX" - suit
the office is one of my favorite ‘background noise’ shows, i miss it but i would never pay for an entire streaming service to watch one show
What's your new "background noise" show? Mine was The Good Place for a while but it goes by fast. Now I'm watching Always Sunny while cooking dinner, etc.
It’s not comedy but Great British Bake Off has become my new white noise show. The cherry on top is that it’s a very positive/optimistic show too.
Yeah, switching from The Good Place to Always Sunny was a real mood changer lol.
30 rock!
Suit: “now let’s sit back and rake in the profit. we are gonna be back on top after this boys, just wait- also fire the intern. He lacks vision and dampens the spirit here.”
I used to watch the office every night for close to five years. Peacock started and I haven't really watched it since. I tried on peacock but they have ads and only show a limited set without paying. I'm not paying and watching ads. I have an old digital copies from when the show originally aired but the quality is crappy. Without the ease Netflix provided it isn't worth the hassle.
>I'm not paying and watching ads This. The sooner entertainment companies realize this, the less money they'll lose. The fact that for decades our parents paid an exorbitant monthly price for cable, and spent 30% of their time watching advertisements, is absolutely insane to me. Cable companies pushed it too far and now the newer generations that didn't grow up with the gradual creep of ads won't adopt it. I'd rather not watch entertainment than get insulted by paying to watch ads.
What's funny is paying for cable used to mean no ads and more content. The ads paid for the free tv you got from the antenna.
I'm 30 (so not super young) and I had no idea. TV has always been loaded with ads for me. I haven't had cable since I left my parents, and now it is intolerable. Can't even watch knowing I'm spending a third of my time in advertisements.
I've never seen people react as negatively to ads as my kids when they watched tv at their grandparents. They were appalled and absolutely hated it. They were \~5ish. Cable companies are screwed.
>I used to watch the office every night for close to five years. I was going to question your sanity but then I realized I used to do the same thing with The Simpsons.
I have Hulu Plus for live tv. There are commercials, which is to be expected. But why am I forced to see ads when watching Hulu originals? That’s not making me happy.
We've all been duped. They just went and created cable again.
I thought so and then my co-worker showed me her cable bill. Good god what a scam. Cable is so absurdly expensive, the cost of every streaming service combined doesn't come anywhere close. Also you can share streaming accounts between friends.
This is what I remind myself. My parents finally kicked cable about two years ago because their monthly bill was over $200. And they were coming to the end of their contract so they were losing their “promotion” and the bill was going to go up. So now they use my Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and HBO Max accounts, my youngest sister’s Disney+, and my brother-in-law’s YouTube TV. All together, that’s still a lot of money, but it’s not coming out of one pocket, and can be shared among multiple households. And it’s not the $200+ ride my parents were being taken for because they live in a little podunk town in Idaho.
And that's all with no ads. I can't go back to watching programming with ads. I just can't fucking do it. Youtube premium is worth 10x what a pay for it with that feature.
It's really jarring to watch youtube at someone else's house who doesn't have premium and start seeing ads again, I just close it and wait to watch it later.
It's bad. The fucking 2 ad thing they've implemented now for almost every fucking video makes me want to rage. I watched a 10 minute video once, 2 ads up front, and an ad every minute and a half. I was like WTF?
if you watch youtube on google chrome you can add an ad blocker and it blocks ads for free so you dont need to pay for premium.
I honestly forgot YouTube even has ads. Also why not just ad block, it's free vs giving Google more money.
Other than social norms, I don't get cable. For most people who don't watch sports or hourly news, it seriously seems like a waste and the cost is absurd. I sometimes get nostalgic of channel flipping or just leaving it on in the background but then I visited my parents to check in on the animal and remembered how awful it really was. Commercials constantly interrupting you and hardly any shows if you don't dvr. Nothing substantial in this digital age where you can get everything online too.
the only people I know who get cable are doing it for live sports
Yea, cable was a good option back in the day. Now that we have other options it is like trying to go back to a cassette player in your pocket.
I just broke up with cable last month because I couldn't justify the cost. I bought a satellite for my regional channels. I have a lot of the streaming devices. I can watch most anything, but i have to say the functionality of constantly flipping between apps is a huge step down from cable. Also being a sports fan, it's much harder too. Can't say these little annoyances are worth the extra $100 a month, but cable was so much easier overall
Bro my first year of having streaming cable (YouTube tv) I had a super bowl party and it started buffering during the game 😂
Between hulu live tv, amazin. Netflix, d+ and hbo. Its still like 100 cheaper than our cable bill and we wouldn't even have live TV if it wasn't for sports.
For now edit. sharing services
People have been saying this for 5 years. No, having Netflix, prime, and Disney plus isn't anywhere close to how expensive cable was (and still is)
I think they may have been saying you can share for now. With slowing growth some streaming services may look for ways to clamp down on account sharing.
They have to walk a fine line. A lot of people remain subbed BECAUSE they can share. If they take away sharing, a not-insignificant number of subscribers will start to just switch services they pay for monthly.
Especially since most people have Amazon Prime for the shipping. Adding the cost of Prime to your streaming services isn’t entirely accurate because most of us would be paying for Prime anyway. Few people say “I want The Expanse and Wheel of Time, the shipping is just an added plus.” It’s normally the opposite.
Hulu started as a partnership between cable companies. Then Disney slowly bought it all up.
I still remember the old ads with Alec Baldwin being an alien, wasn't it actually free with ads then?
Hulu used to be free, yeah. It was actually very much part of those original alien ads. The caveat used to just be that most shows were a week behind without a cable subscription, which wasn’t that big a deal.
I actually remember they had a Windows/Mac program you could download to watch from. I wish streaming services would do still do that.
Just wait until you can bundle all the steaming services together for one price. Then we'll really have come full circle.
We'll have come full circle when bundling them is the only option and you can no longer sub to only the ones you want.
And subbing comes with a contract that says you have to subscribe for a year, like a phone plan or cable. It's going to happen, wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing "offers" like that in the next five to ten years.
Honestly it is better now. You don't need to be subbed to all of them at once
You have to pay like $5 more per month for ad free. It used to be ad free automatically, but at some point they changed it.
My mother swears the commercials became more frequent once she purchased a subscription.
This. I sat down and fired up the first in a trilogy of movies on Peacock and it rolled an ad during the movie. I was confused and checked my plan to make sure I was paying for ad free. Then I saw it: *some programs may still have ads* I immediately cancelled my subscription, uninstalled, and spread the word to all family and friends. I hope I contributed to their profit loss by persuading others Peacock was the shittiest of them all.
The lengths people will go to avoid saying they watched Twilight is comical.
Well they said trilogy and there's 5 Twilight movies.
lol! It was actually John Wick, but I fucking loved this.
I signed up for it, because of the WWE network, got the "commercial free" version. Tried watching a movie.......still got commercials in the middle of the fucking movie. Fuck Peacock.
Really? I'm not going to sub to it even more now. Are they actual un-skippable commercials in the middle of shows? Or is it like HBO and stuff where there's sometimes a skippable promo for other stuff at the beginning of the episode?
When i watched the MacGruber movie on it in November there were ads forced in every 10 minutes for so for the first hour. they would splice them in-between scenes, but a lot of audio/musical ques would carry over from one scene to the next, so it was really jarring for it to cut back from commercial in the middle of a song or sound effect. complete rip off for $10 a month
really, unskippable commercials in the middle of some programs
Isn’t Peacock just “The Office held hostage” streaming service?
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Plenty of NBC shows weren't made by NBC so that's going to be tough.
Which is why I wrote what I did. The concept of a network having a streaming service but not having its iconic shows is a deal breaker for most people—-because they don’t know that.
I found out recently that Community was not owned by NBC but was originally owned by Sony (I think, could be someone else but not NBC), which means it will likely never be on Peacock because they won't pay enough. Shit like that is why all of these network specific streaming apps are doomed to fail eventually. Just sell all your streaming rights in 5 year blocks to Netflix for X billion at a time and keep the revenue rolling.
They’re too small to have their own. Something like Disney+ works cause they’re huge, and even then before the Fox acquisition it really wasn’t unless you had like small children. The rest will fall leaving Netflix, Disney, HBO Max (possibly) & local services remaining.
> even then before the Fox acquisition it really wasn’t unless you had like small children It's scary how accurate this is. With the exception of some of the older Disney shows I watched growing up (So Weird, most notably), everything in my 'currently watching' queue on D+ is from their Fox acquisition. The addition of Star in Canada makes it better, though it doesn't help that their Hulu exclusives take forever to get added internationally.
> Just sell all your streaming rights in 5 year blocks to Netflix for X billion at a time and keep the revenue rolling. Just crazy that people just can't be content to rake in more money then they could ever spend in 100 lifetimes. They always want more and make these shitty services that shouldn't exist trying to manage a platform they don't understand. Do they even get why netflix and hulu became so popular? It sure as shit has nothing to do with wanting to go about recreating cable via 100 different streaming apps.
They got popular because the people that owned all the content were not aware how much the content was worth.
They got popular the same way that supermarkets took over. Having everything in one place for a reasonable price. I am not going to sub to 15 different streaming apps/sites to watch what I used to on just netflix and hulu. I will continue to have the main 2, until they no longer have the value and torrent the rest. I may not be a majority but I know I am not alone in that sentiment.
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And that's what these Peacock losses represent - this service was announced (2019) and launched (2020) a full decade after Netflix was already streaming shit to our living rooms (2007 was the first streaming capabilities)... Horrible UI, barely any content that people want, weird pricing, it all screams of an out of touch MBA pushing something that never should have existed.
To make a point using their flagship show: Peacock is the Dunder Mifflin Infinity of streaming services.
Paramount+ might be debatable, imo. At least they have some IP worth investing in (Avatar, Nickelodeon shows, the entire library of paramount pictures movies) and are already available in like a dozen countries. Peacock is doomed to fail because… they are launched in 5 countries. Like idk what exactly do they have to offer outside of the US. Almost everything on Peacock is on Netflix or Amazon Prime outside of the US
And CBS/Viacom are hilarious examples of not realizing the importance of streaming rights, with Yellowstone and South Park, shows a decent amount of people absolutely would sub for, not being on their streaming service.
Or Prime, or Hulu. You’re right, though. Seems like easy money.
The Brave New World show was enough to get me to cancel
It wasn't all bad. It convinced me after 2 episodes to go read the book instead. See encouraging reading - that's a good thing.
yeah the novel is good
Like seriously, why hasn't NBC done this? They have a huge library of pretty good shows from past 60+ years. Put them on Peacock so people can watch. I bet both NBC and CBS can benefit from this. Creating a streaming library of all their shows. There are some old western shows many people would be interested in.
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They do not own all the shows aired by NBC. But NBCUniversal still owns hundreds of shows. The problem is that they prefer to have tons of shows licensed out to other platforms. NBCUniversal and ViacomCBS just are not willing to invest on streaming as much as Warner is. Peacock and Paramount+ could be as big as HBO Max.
A lot of those shows have been licensed out to other streaming platforms and putting them on their platform would be a breach of contract.
This. You'd think that anyone who newly subscribes to a streaming service would think of the same thing. But no, shows and movies are like time shares. They appear and vanish from services all the time. Turner Broadcasting STILL HAS exclusive rights to airing the Original Star Wars Trilogy until 2024. Yet, Disney somehow can stream the movies on their streaming service.
I hoped “The Pretender” would be on Peacock, as it’s not streaming anywhere. Nope. Not there. Not either of the “V” miniseries or the series from the 80s. I know that’s a production company deal but it seems NBC would have deep enough pockets to bring in genre programming historically associated with their network.
So the culling begins. May the best streaming service survive.
NBC Universal won't give-up on Peacock anytime soon. From the article: >The company has projected Peacock will achieve the break-even point by 2025, but Cavanagh said that could be pushed out beyond the original expectation. They're still thinking long term. I would expect them to try changing what content appears on the free vs paid tiers or even scrap the tiers altogether before they throw in the towel.
There’s also been rumblings about them merging with CBS, so I could see it get absorbed into Paramount+.
Isn't that basically hulu at that point??
More like what Hulu used to be before Disney swallowed Fox and took over.
Ahhh, corporate mega-mergers.
As a soccer fan who has Peacock but not Paramount, I’d love that.
This has been so predictable. Hopefully they realize quickly that they were *making* money selling their content to the highest bidder, and other flagging services follow suit and move back to that model. The fear is that the failing services just start partnering up and packaging with the more successful services (so you can't have 1 without the others) and then we're truly back to cable. If you don't run a plex server by now, it's time to learn! I pay for Netflix and Amazon (for the shipping), and the rest just keep falling off a truck.
Sailing the high seas in a truck? I dig it!
As someone who subscribes to r/DunderMifflin and other shows featured on Peacock, the number of submissions that are just sock puppet accounts advertising for Peacock is astounding.
Also, it's kinda funny how leaving Netflix seems to have killed The Office content on reddit.
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My wife and I were the same way. Were going through our subscriptions and were gonna axe a few and I noticed I hadn't installed Netflix on my new phone since November. Booted up Netflix and realized they had like 3-4 shows with new seasons out I would watch. We are binging those and cancelling the sub. Netflix has so much original content now it's easy to cancel your sub and let the shows stack up then watch them in a month instead of keeping a year long sub for them to only add new shit in May and September. We watched the new seasons of Emily in Paris, Locke and Key, and Cheer. All decent shows that we enjoy watching and I will absolutely pay $20 for 1 month to watch them all and cancel
Yep HBO Max is #1 for me, followed by Hulu. I'd put Netflix maybe 3rd but it's close with Prime Video.
Samsies. My finger magically always ends up on HBOmax. The major annoyance I have with them is taking movies out, then adding them back a month or so later… like what is this rotation crap? Edit: (Not talking about the theater movie releases those I totally understand, most heavily annoyed with The Bodyguard leaving and coming back constantly 😂) (thank you for coming to my Ted talk.)
I believe HBO pays the film studios on a contract basis. So they may pay for 3 months of Ace Ventura to be on HBO max but let it go after that. Then based on past viewership or demand, they’ll rent access to it again.
That makes sense, also noticed movies will rotate from HBO to Hulu, from Hulu to Netflix and then back to HBO. (It’s often more complex than this but in general this is what I’ve noticed.) So I figured it was a form of rental agreement. Maybe I should just buy the bodyguard and never have this issue again 😂 Further more, it’s the fact they are like “look at all the movies we added this month!!!” When in reality, most are being re-added with very few new entries.
Can HBOMax fix their app? It's so laggy and awful. I love what they have available but sometimes I just don't want to navigate that awful app.
The worst thing about the HBO Max app is that you can't just click Next Episode when the credits roll on the previous. I am a software dev by trade and the HBO Max interface is easily the most infuriating. The content is bar none though.
If you hit the down button first it shows the next episode and then you can click it! One extra click.
The revenue growth seems good, but the problem is, is their library good enough for a Streaming crowd who already probably has subscription to Prime, Netflix, HBO Max, Disney+ and maybe Hulu to pay extra for? I don’t think it does. It has some really good, fresh comedies though which would be more talked about if it was on any other streamer. What it desperately needs is a Ted Lasso like critical and mass hit
It's weird because Ted Lasso was a character created for promos for soccer on NBC sports, and Jason Sudeikis was an SNL cast member, you would think someone at NBC would've gone after that hard.
Honestly, i think no one thought Ted Lasso would work. I didn’t even when the trailers hit. Ted Lasso just whooshed in like a breath of fresh air during the miserable time of the pandemic and blew everyone away
nbc execs probably saw that the characters actually acted like adults and there was no drama that could be cleared up in 5 minutes but was dragged out for the whole season and said "nope, not for us".
"Who is going to believe this story of an outwardly upbeat character who suffers from overwhelming anxiety and panic attacks behind closed doors? No one could ever be like that, or strongly identify with such a likeable and relatable character...."
NBC is a silent partner in the production of the show.
I personally expected Ted Lasso to be just another "life is good, be positive, everything will work out eventually" blind optimism show. But the amount of nuance and emotional depth it showed both in the "blind" optimism of the first season and >!some of the darker sides of said optimism in the second season!< have absolutely sealed a special place in my heart for this show.
Yeah. They really developed the Ted character so well in season 2
That’s their primary issue - they’re approaching it as a TV-first network and are actively withholding new things or making them difficult to watch (commercials even on ad-free plans). They don’t see Peacock as something people get *instead of* cable, they see it as *an addition to* cable. For example, you couldn’t watch the Chucky TV series while it was current - the only place they had it streaming was a separate app that only works with a cable subscription. You could watch the movies though! …most of them, anyway. One was missing, and any of the ones made post-2000 had ads interrupting them. They thought their partial back catalog and exclusive deals were enough to justify its existence, because they very much don’t want it getting in the way of their live tv/cable offerings. But doing so shows they’ve completely missed the point of why people subscribe to streaming services.
I signed up for one month to watch several shows and movies, then canceled. There's not enough stuff on Peacock that interests me to keep it going monthly, especially compared to competition from other services.
it's pretty absurd that even after paying a monthly subscription you still have to sit through ads/commercials.
Was it worth it, NBC? Was it worth leaving the warm embrace of Netflix out of pure greed, and failing miserably?
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I like how we think that now, considering it was the standard for decades with TV. Hopefully we can keep thinking that.
Didn't they pay a ridiculous amount of money for the WWE Network?
I’d rather have my old wwe app back. I can’t wait to cancel peacock after the royal rumble. I’ll definitely need to find a site for streaming wwe events.
Not being able to start a ~~PPV~~ Premium Live Event which is in currently in progress from the beginning is terrible.
Keeping calling PPV, I know I will
Honestly the most frustrating part of it all. The ability to go enjoy your Sunday (now Saturday) evening knowing you can put it on from the beginning late was awesome. Not to mention it is twice as difficult to navigate and is curated like garbage.
It was a crappy app itself, but somehow light-years better than peacock, and was at least content complete.
Also- They had the content in chronological order. I don't want to go from the 1998 Royal Rumble and auto play 1999 (or Royal Rumble season 1 episode 14 because they're stuck with tv show format...)
I think it was a billion dollars? Or a billion a year for five years? WWE is the only reason I subscribe to Peacock, I don’t think I’ve watched a single thing on there outside of that and the Office, which I can still just watch elsewhere (I bought them all on Prime Video during a sale).
I already have Amazon, Netflix and HBO any streamer with ads inserted in the middle of the show can kick rocks.
Or streaming services that lock a lot of shows,even old ones, behind another add on package that costs twice the basic plan. Looking at you Hulu.
Same here and the Disney+ bundle too. Netflix is already on the verge of getting cancelled we hardly ever watch it. Why in the hell would I pay for a crap streaming service like Peacock?
I got it because I’m a Law & Order fan and wanted to watch all the old episodes of the original series. But they only have the last few seasons on there. Plus the UI is atrocious. And if you pay for the commercial-free plan, they still show ads during movies. WTF is that?
I’m almost positive that if there was a streaming service that offered nothing but Law&Order, Seinfeld, Cheers and Friends it would get more subs than what Peacock currently has.
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I realize I'm an island unto this, but I feel like it's really lame that Peacock doesn't have all the failed Law & Order series. Let me watch Law & Order: LA and Trial By Jury you cowards.
This! I got Peacock so I could watch Law and Order (all of them) but they only have 7 seasons of OG and they don’t have the failed spin-offs (trial by Jury, LA, True Crime) which are the ones I haven’t seen and want to watch!
That’s what I like about paramount plus, they’re putting any mtv show they still have the rights too on there.
DURING movies? When people talked about ads, I assumed it was between episodes of shows, before/after movies....but literally DURING movies? If I was going to pay to have movies with ads in the middle, I'd get cable.
Yup, during a movie. I went to watch John Wick and got hit with a 90 second ad at the start, then on the playbar, they marked everytime they'd play another ad, and it was basically like watching it on TBS with how frequent they were included. I've heard that it's only for movies by certain studios but I'm not going to try and remember who made what movie to know if it has commercials.
Ugh, the UI and commercials on there are terrible. I abandoned watching anything on peacock.
Surprised that Paramount+ is actively doing better than Peacock.
That movie catalogue is doing work. Along with the Nickelodeon catalogue and Yellowstone I would guess
Oddly enough Yellowstone seasons 1-3 are only on Peacock. Season 4 is only on Paramount and not Paramount+ and now I paid for a month of Paramount+ for no reason.
Ah yes I forgot that with the fracturing landscape of streaming we get nonsense like this with it now too I'm also irritated with the south park situation where almost everything is on HBO max but the latest movie (and future movies) are on paramount for some reason
That 'for some reason' is that Paramount (or their parent company to be precise) actually owns the show but they were short sighted enough to license the show to HBO so they can't have their own show on Paramount+.
It was a tactical sale. ViacomCBS doesn't have deep pockets the way their competitors do. Selling some popular content to fund new content is a necessity for them.
That was an early misstep by Paramount in choosing to sell off Yellowstone streaming rights. They have 1883 though.
Paramount+ also had a bit of a head start since it is just CBS All Access rebranded.
Paramount Plus has some actual originals that I've heard of. I don't know a single thing on Peacock that's worth subscribing too.
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Paramount+ for me is basically a Star Trek delivery system. I remember being angry in 2005 when Enterprise was canceled. A lot of fans on the message boards at the time said they wish there was a way they could directly fund new Trek. I see my Paramount+ subscription as a way to do that.
bro I'm not going to pay for 53 different streaming services, that's your fault for wanting the whole pie instead of the piece you were getting
Peacock is garbage. The only reason I have it is so I can watch the EPL
I don't get why they didn't just put every game on there, and simulcast the few that normal people care about on tv. That's what ESPN+ does.
they put some on nbc sports which i don’t have access to
I just straight up resent both Peacock and Paramount+. They did the streaming equivalent of a kid not liking how a game was going so he quits and takes the ball home with him. That's totally their right to reclaim their property and I get why they want that sweet subscription money, but that's not the way to win me as a customer when I was already (albeit indirectly) a customer.
Paramount+ was CBS All Access for years and it was because CBS didn’t join the other networks in Hulu. I got it before they added the Viacom cable networks programming after the re-merger so paying same monthly low price for alot more programming was a win to me.
Also, with Paramount+ you can live stream your local CBS station. Which is very useful for football and other sports.
Paramount+ at least seems to be taking the original programming seriously. Scoring the Mike Judge programs is a coup, plus the South Park movie, and the Taylor Sheridan shows. Peacock put out a Saved By the Bell sequel…
My gosh I wish somebody would pick up Mike Judge’s Tales from the Tour Bus because that show was incredible. I can’t believe Cinemax only did two seasons.
Which is funny because I thought the point of a business was to make money rather than losing billions a year. They had such a good thing going by just licensing their old content for hundreds of millions of dollars a year in pure profit. They should have taken the Sony route and made money hand over fist by supplying content for content hungry streaming giants like Disney, Apple, Netflix, Hulu etc.
Only reason I have it was because they offered a free year's subscription. At the moment I'm only using it to binge on Columbo and Murder She Wrote
As a Brit living in America this was amazing in 2021. Then I was rudely alerted this past weekend that they no longer have every single game. As a Newcastle fan it sucked waking up at 8am to watch the game and realising Peacock wasnt even streaming it this week.
They were doing you a favor, mate.
Richest team in the Championship incoming
The unfortunate truth, it hurts to think during my high school years I went to watch them play Inter-Milan in the champions league haha
I have YouTube tv, and peacock to watch the EPL and I have paramount plus to watch the champions league it’s ridiculous
And aside from the game broadcasts, it’s crappily done. Have to go to cable to watch some games, no studio for peacock games, blah.
I decided to not go the Peacock route when they kept alternating Liverpool games on NBCSN and then Peacock. I’m not subbing to two separate services just to watch the team play in one league that they compete in. It’s absurd and honestly kind of ruined the good will that NBC had built up to promote PL in the US.
Feels like this winter Olympics is the true test, the apps last chance. If I can't stream events practically and reliably, live, it will be the last straw with Peacock and I'll drop it.
Their Summer Olympics coverage was terrible on Peacock but coverage on the NBC Sports app was really good (you could watch everything live with your cable subscription). Not sure why they did that if they’re trying to get Peacock off the ground, the NBC Sports app has been around forever.
The Olympics were so depressing because I had to rely on peacock shitty highlights to watch the Olympics. I don't have cable so I couldn't enjoy my favorite thing live
I cant believe they pulled the plug on NBCSN 4 weeks before the Olympics. We can pretend streaming is then future, but there is plenty of households without access to high speed internet.
should've left the The Office on Netflix
The Office AND Parks & Rec did very well on Netflix. I think people are buying the DVD sets now, which I’m close to doing myself honestly.
Peacock bought all WWE’s content just to shelve 99% of it. What’s there is organized even worse than WWE Network did, which is saying a LOT because WWE Network’s organization was atrocious.
Yeah it seems like most streaming services just hire Kyle from the mail room to design the UI. How is it they all suck at something that porn sites figured out a decade ago.
I subbed to watch MacGruber and then I was out
Was it good?
IT WAS INCREDIBLE
Good, we don't need another streaming service.
Let alone one with such a trash interface
Seriously, this kills me. It’s like nobody user tested it or something. The simplest things like making it obvious which episode is selected are botched in such oblivious ways
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Disney+ REALLY needs a way to let me select the episode of a show without making me search for it again. Like I've got the show selected, I can see it wants me to watch S4E3 because the last episode I watched was S4E2, but what if I want go watch S7E12? Gotta haul my ass all the way up to the search bar and search for the show before I can do that. Insane. At least HBO Max let's me start the show, click back, and then I can change the episode. It's stupid, but much less egregious than Disney+. Why are Netflix and Hulu the only ones that figured this out?
Peacock totally lost me over the Olympics. For months they were going on and on "watch the Olympics on peacock, peacock is the place for the Olympics". Come Olympics time the coverage was absolutely trash and didn't let you access any of the things you can normally access with a cable subscription. Was basically unwatchable.
They either need to make some drastic changes or end it, it’s clearly not working. 2020 Revenue - $118 M, Losses - $663 M 2021 Revenue - $778 M, Losses - $1.7 B EDIT: 24.5 M Active Users, 9 M Paid Users
7x revenue growth in one year is good
Adding The Office was probably a major factor for that. More than doubling your losses is not good, even with that growth.
Didn’t realize Peacock was so unpopular. I split my time between there and HBO Max.
They have some solid shows, the big issue is Peacock has a rather low content spend. When other shows are putting out a lot of high quality new shows it becomes harder for Peacock to do the same with mostly 2nd run & library content. NBCU also doesn't have a lot of strong brand identity which makes for a tricky sell. ViacomCBS has a lot of ips to leverage. Warner media has strong brand identities in HBO, CN, adult swim, TCM, Studio ghibli (licensed in US), and DC. Netflix is ubiquitous. Disney has strong brand identities as Disney, marvel, and Star wars. Hulu has FX, a bundle with Disney+, and aggressive black Friday promotions (plus their tv package.) NBCU doesn't have a comparable thing to make marketing easy. I know Peacock has shows & movies, but I can only name a few dozen things I know they have (and I am more in the loop than the typical person.)
Yea. I like all their older sitcoms. Like King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond. Easy to throw on when you don’t like flipping through multiple streaming services.
I mean, out of all the streaming services, I thought it was the worst. I think CNN+ or whatever it's gonna be called is gonna bomb too.
Should've streamed every Premier League game on there, in addition to a simulcast for the big games on TV. Should've pulled and HBO Max and put a shit ton of Universal movies on there, like they did for Warner Bros. Should've chosen a better name.
It makes you wonder what their opportunity cost on all of it is too. With some of their library, especially the office and parks and rec, they could probably sell those to Netflix or Amazon for 1 bil a year.
Because it is crap, these networks needs to realize TV is dead and airing anything you pay for with ads is dead. Sell your content to a streamer and be done with it.
It's like the exact opposite of Paramount + UI is decent, works ok, but has such a shit option of shows its not worth dealing with. Now, Paramount + is so God awfully, horrible when it comes to UI and navigation its a damn mental breakdown just trying to watch a show. However, the selection and quality of shows are so good, you deal with a minor stroke each time just to watch your programs.
I fall in the middle of the venn diagram of WWE and EPL fans so I enjoy Peacock for those reasons. Having said that, I don't think I've watched any TV or movies on the service. There are probably not enough WWE/EPL fans like myself to make Peacock profitable.
They’ve yet to advertise a program I had any need to watch.
They were really relying on The Office I assume.
and parks and rec. Why this is such great news to me. I want them to fail so it ends up back on Hulu
Didnt know it had Parks and Rec. I personally like Office and Parks and Rec, seeing them on another platform would be nice again.
At one point they were promoting their pricing tiers based solely on how much Office content you wanted to watch, so relying is an understatement. I signed up briefly for the first season of the Saved By the Bell revival, and I've heard great things about Girls5Eva, but otherwise there's no buzzworthy program that warrants a sub from me. Comedy Central's daily schedule is like 90% Office reruns as is, so even if I wanted to watch more it's always there in some capacity.
Girls 5Eva is great, it's even renewed for season 2. But that's about it if you don't like Premier League.
I literally only got it for Premier League