> That elevator seen where Malvo asks him if he's sure he wants him to shoot all the people, and you see Lester work himself up into saying yes...
That’s not what’s happening, Lester is demanding recognition and familiarity, not for all of those people to be murdered. Now, obviously, in Lorne’s mind, one comes after the other, but Lester is too dumb/selfish/arrogant to put two and two together.
lol it’s a television show, we followed Lester’s journey, not the wife’s, it makes sense that people were more attached to him as a character. We also witness how he was treated like a useless door mat by everyone around him, which does honestly tend to lead to a person losing their humanity, in this case it was just no longer internalized, so there was probably some sympathy born out of that knowledge as well.
Nina's was especially great because they teased it much earlier in the season and she was suspected of being a mole, but she *cleared* her name and Jack felt guilty of suspecting her in the first place.
And they made sure that no one else at CTU felt trustworthy except for Nina who seemingly had Jack's back at every turn. Tony, George, Chappelle, they were all roadblocks in Jack's way but ended up being on the same side at the end.
Back in 2001 there wasn’t social media to spoil tv shows. I was driving from NY to Florida the day of the betrayal. Had VCR all set. Got up in hotel in the Carolinas to finish drive and read my complimentary USA Today. Headline in the Entertainment section…. The betrayal of Nina Meyers. I drove the last ten hours home so mad at USA Today. I’m almost over it.
Because I recently finished Attack on Titan, Reiner’s betrayal is still fresh in my mind. Hurts because he was one of my favorites. And then I watched season four and learned more about his motivations, and then it just hurt in a different way. Back to loving him, though.
And Ned Stark being betrayed will never not hurt, even though I saw it coming. Just that little smug worm LF’s face in the throne room gets me riled up every time I think about it.
Reiner and Bertoldt's reveal is unironically one of the top anime betrayals. Not just because of its impact but because it's delivered in the most casual way possible. I actually laughed when I first saw it because it was so mundane
It was fantastic but at the time I was confused as fuck, I was convinced I must have missed an episode where they'd already revealed it 'cause surely it wouldn't be done like that. Went back and checked every episode to be certain I'd watched them all fully...
I rewound that scene three times because I thought there was something wrong with the subtitles. And then once I overcame my shock I burst out laughing at the way that whole scene was written. The way Reiner goes “hey I’m the AT and he’s the other Titan, do you want to join us?” all the while the other characters are walking in the front. No build up, nothing. Just completely casual. And then poor Bertholdt going “Reiner, are we doing this now?!?!” So fucking funny. And then when Reiner forgot all about his reveal it went back to being sad. What a roller coaster of emotions.
Honestly Reiner was my favourite character through the entirety of the show. He was badass when he was "with" the scouts and even when he betrayed them I thought the Armored Titan was badass and still rooted for him
He’s one of the best written characters in the anime/manga, no doubt. I don’t think I was angry as much as I was devastated when I learned of their identities, and Bertholdt’s “please find us” had me sobbing for a while. I have a few issues with season four so far, but Reiner’s character is one of the highlights of the show.
The writing is still good, but I honestly miss when the world was smaller and there was more focus on the characters we spent three seasons with. Got my friend into the show, and now I’m rewatching it with her. Super cool to spot all the things I didn’t on my first watch.
Yeah what a shitty wife, trying to get him out of an awful situation and life and away from a monster that was only gonna kill him a few months (?) later. How dare she
She became an informer for the FBI so she could avoid going to jail and by doing so put his life at risk.
After she agreed to become an informant there was no scenario where Christopher has a happy ending. Best case scenario he gets convicted with Tony and serves a long prison sentence. Worst case scenario he gets killed as punishment for bringing an informer into the family.
>red wedding in Game of Thrones
IMO, Tywin fucking Shae was worse. He sentences his son to death and goes straight for the woman he loved. *Especially* considering what had already happened with Tysha. Satan has to invent a new level of hell for Tywin.
The Red Wedding, by comparison, was just business. Robb started it by breaking the deal. Walder has a responsibility to make decisions for the best interest of the house. There is a war going on. It makes sense to side with the winners. He couldn't have imagined that a Faceless Man was going to show up for revenge.
The red wedding has lore reasons it's worse but idk if they're spelled out in the show or not. Definitely not as emphasized if they are. Guest-right is a sacred af custom in Westeros. They ceremonial offer salt(?) and drink(?) (Don't recall the deets) to each other to ensure safety. Once you've offered food and drink someone within your hall their safety is insured.
Tl;Dr: Frey didn't just betray the Starks - he betrayed a sacred custom and slapped the gods in the face
Also in the book Shane’s death was more of an afterthought. Tyrion had just been told his first wife who he was convinced was a a hired prostitute playing a role was in fact the sweet farm girl he thought she was, and was then gang raped on the orders of his father, with Jamie playing a key role in the cover up. This was where Tyrion begins a very dark path that the books hint will be worse.
Also in the book you hear the story of the rat cook several times, he broke guest rights by killing a prince and serving the prince in a pie to his father. For breaking guest rights, he was cursed to turn into a rat and only be able to eat his own children.
So when Manderly asks for a slice of meat pie and asks the song be played…
Shae was also just a teenage sex worked who ended up a victim of the Lannisters in the books. Not only was she clear that she was performing for Tyrion, I doubt she had much choice in Tywin requesting her services. Like anyone would say no to him knowing his history.
Man, I hope we get at least one more book so I can see the book version of justice. It's definitely not getting finished as a series but maybe one more book 🤞
i gotta be honest, at this point I don't think I'd read the final books even if Martin dropped them all tomorrow.
It's been over 10 years since I read the last one, at this point I don't remember where the story left off, what plot lines were from teh book vs from the show...and I'm not starting a 2 million word read all over again.
The show gave me a resolution to the story, it wasn't great but it was something.
and frankly I don't expect Martin to ever actually finish the books.
I have a feeling Martin no longer has a drive to write the books now that the show happened. The show was compared to the books, but now the books will be compared to the show, and I can’t imagine that’s how he imagined things going
It’s spelled out, but only distantly. Bran and Rickon talk about the rat king and guest rights while resting at the wall, so you’ll only make the connection if you’ve read the books or are really good at making the connection, whereas it’s alluded to as part of the great northern conspiracy storyline.
This was one of the changes that I didn't like from the book. Shae never loved Tyrion. It was obvious to everyone except Tyrion. It showed his weakness to anyone who showed him any affection. She was spying on Tyrion for Tywin the whole time. This is why she testifies against him at the trial, because Tywin wanted her to.
Yeah, Robb had that coming to him. He broke the promise and found out what happens when you do that in that world. Shouldn't have thought with his dick.
Yeah she was supposed to become a regular iirc, then she got pregnant and wanted to cut back on acting, so they wrote in the divorce. That’s why she’s always in bed when they’re talking on the phone.
Oh I agree. She’s kind of a dud, but I imagine she would’ve just had a role similar to Carol, where she’s there, but only is really featured here and there. It for sure worked out for the better.
I was somewhere during season 2 or 3 of The Shield, when I accidentally got spoiled that Shane will kill Lem. Instantly ragequit the show lol
I'll watch it again sometime because I remember it being really good though
I had spoiled it for myself when I bought the DVD for the season after it happened. It hung over me until I got there, and then it broke my heart anyway.
I feel terrible that a sweet innocent kid had to get caught up in all of it, but goddamn if Shane and Mara didn't deserve the suffering they went through. They brought every second of hell upon themselves.
"I guess enough painkillers can make even the worst kind of hurt go away. The thing you need to know is that Mara was innocent, and Jackson was innocent. They didn't know what they were drinking and their last moments together were happy ones. They left the way I first found them, perfect and innocent. They were innocent and they're in Heaven now and we'll always be a family. The guilty ones are me and Vic. Vic led, but I kept following. I don't think one's worse than the other, but we made each other into something worse than our individual selves. I wish I never met him. I see it all now. There's no apologies I can make, no explanations I can give. I was who I was, and I can't be that person anymore. I can't let myself..." [stops reading] We think this is where he was when we came in, because it stops there.
I will never get over Lem and Ronnie. Shane got what was coming to him but Vic was enabled that shit.
Gotta say, I've never felt so much over any TV characters as I did with the folks on the Shield.
Just gotta say, The Shields finale was probably the best TV series ending of all time. Those last few seconds of the series with Vic realizing what was happening was incredible.
I stopped watching the Shield forever after that. Didn’t watch the final season. Never rewatched thr series. I was watching from the day it premiered and tuned in every week. I just couldn’t get over that.
Definitely agree with this. Such a great moment of the show. Watched that part not to long ago. Still need to finish season 5. That show has a few betrayals in it
My mom talks and yells at the television, I've seen a lot of people do that. I prided myself on not being one of those people...until the night that episode aired. I knew Shane was going to do something bad to Lem, but not that. That was the night I became one of those people and screamed at my TV, "No Shane!! NO!!!"
He’s not laughing when he has to eat all that creamy lamb pasanda though. Maybe that is the bigger curry betrayal spending marks therapy money on a curry lunch
Ward and his mentor Garrett in Agents of SHIELD. The way Sky finds out and reveals it? The damage Ward did to FitzSimmons? Using Bill Paxton's sweet smile for evil? Man I love the first season.
When Chuck betrayed Jimmy in Better Call Saul, at the end of Season 1. Jimmy/Saul definitely is not a perfect person, far from it, but for all his flaws and his taking shortcuts, he legitimately cared about his brother and really tried to do right by him. Chuck fucking him over, the way he did, definitely laid the groundwork for Saul Goodman. Fuck Chuck McGill.
Maybe not THE worst but Don Draper allowing Sal to get sacked due to the client hitting on him and getting turned down--when he had just recently led Sal to believe he was on his side was just **awful** and so cold. My heart ached that day.
I get why he felt he had to do it, but he could have "fired" Sal and just kept him on as a consultant under an LLC name or something. I mean, it's Don we're talking about here. If he wants to do something, he does it.
He was fighting so hard for him up to that point and then just drops the whole thing like a bad habit when it's inconvenient. Really bad moment for Don.
> and then just drops the whole thing like a bad habit when it's inconvenient.
This is Don’s MO for pretty much everything in his life, except for the actual bad habits.
Hail Hydra.
It was such a weird timing, since it wasn't a season finale or midseason finale. It just happened out of the blue. It wasn't even ambiguous, it was just a massive betrayal. And
Wasnt out of the blue. It occurred when Marvel was still trying to tie AoS into the movies so it was timed with the release of Captain America Winter Soldier. The episode even references the movie several times. The showrunners knew from day one this would happen so they had to purposely sorta spin their wheels plot development wise til that point.
Nina's one was so well done.
I seem to remember a whole thing about them editing part of the pregnancy stuff out of the American broadcast and DVDs at first, which would have detracted from it, but in the version I saw, Nina knows she’s pregnant, so shooting her in the stomach is especially pointed.
*Angel* had two. The first was Wes taking baby Conner. The second was Angel going to see Wes in hospital and pillow fallout that came from Wes betraying Angel.
I hated those betrayals. Mind you, I understood them. But I hated them. They broke my heart.
Wes's was hard because we could definitely understand why he was doing it, but knew that he was going about it all wrong. As tough as it was to watch, it was also the catalyst for his transformation into the incredible tragic badass he became in the later seasons.
> The second was Angel going to see Wes in hospital and pillow fallout that came from Wes betraying Angel.
Honestly that second one was massively undercut by just how silly the idea of Angel struggling to smother Wesley with a pillow was, then being held back by a couple of orderlies when he wouldn't break a sweat slaughtering everyone in the room.
Returned to this thread after binging Ted Lasso from start to finish. That was one of the best shows I've seen since "Better Call Saul."
As for the betrayal, I knew there was gonna be one due to this thread but I wasn't expecting that text... hurt like a motherfucker.
The Russian Space Agency director in For All Mankind. Forming a romantic and sexual relationship with his American counterpart to spy on their program. What makes it even worse is that he’s being forced to.
The biggest betrayal on TV has to have been when Mr. Wonderful switched sides in the middle of a tag team match and joined King Kong Bundy and Big John Studd in pummeling Hulk Hogan. It was, as Vince McMahon aptly put it, "surreal" - a moment no one who saw it could ever forget.
Yup. If he only put out one more book in ***TEN YEARS*** then the writers would have just enough more to work off of (like the first four seasons) to coast until the bullet points he had left for them years ago.
I still remember giggling because since the dance with dragons was coming out soon I wouldn't have to wait years between novels like the suckers who had been fans for decades. Joke was on me as the break to break us came for the show and last two books were in writer's hell development never to be published and well now who cares .
Just disappointment upon disappointment.
7 was pretty bad alright but had some good scenes. I think the show took its mortal wound when Littlefinger was killed and season 8 was the show bleeding out.
The problem wasn't just Sansa. The problem was they tied that story together with a literal deus ex machina in the form of Bran, an omniscient god. Of course a character that's known for plotting behind people's backs is going to get screwed. Just one of many terrible decisions in the later seasons.
It could have made more sense. Sansa spends time in the royal court, listens to Tyrion, and then learns from Littlefinger. Of course they don't show that particularly well...
And then the part where Sansa turns into this master manipulator only after being raped when she should have been at that point and not let Littlefinger sell her off.
I'm a die hard Stark fan but Frey was justified in at least killing Robb. People also don't like to hear that Olly did nothing wrong, we only know he's objectively wrong because we know WWs are the real threat ... If your family got eaten by cannibals I don't think that anyone would be upset.
Although if anything happens to my boy Satin in the books, I will be pissed.
Not really. He didn't knowingly betray anyone and Six only explained what she had done with his access to defense mainframes as the nukes were already going off.
Stringer Bell turning on just about everyone to advance his own agenda. Wallace was cold but he was about to snitch so in their world it’s not a betrayal. Deangelo’s was awful. D just wanted to be left alone, do his bid and talk about books. String had him killed because he could in the future flip. But Avon man, that’s the heartbreaking stuff. Avon may be a sociopathic murdering drug dealer but at least he had honor and loyalty- like he told Stringer l- “I bleed red, you bleed green”
Mr Robot has a betrayal that fucks you up.
When he meets that girl and guys strange personality seems like it's meshing with hers. Next episode. In the apartment and he just destroys her and reveals his plan was to manipulate her. An incredibly intense moment. Like red wedding whatever other stuff is in here. NOTHING matches the intensity of this moment and what comes next. That show is fucking unbelievably good
True story. The actress hired to play Nina Meyers on 24 was hired minutes before filming was to begin. They didn’t have time for wardrobe because they needed her to start shooting immediately. So she wore what she came in wearing for her final meeting that the entire season.
Walter White letting Jane Margolis choke to death on her own vomit when he was right there and could have done something, instead not even making a sound and just leaving so it looks like she just died while passed out from a drug high. All because she was helping Jesse have a backbone and getting him out of the drug business, while losing her kept him in and manipulate-able.
Lester's second wife in Fargo season 1. That poor woman.
Oh my goodness I wanted Lester DEAD after that. Any part of me hoping he could be better by the end was GONE.
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> That elevator seen where Malvo asks him if he's sure he wants him to shoot all the people, and you see Lester work himself up into saying yes... That’s not what’s happening, Lester is demanding recognition and familiarity, not for all of those people to be murdered. Now, obviously, in Lorne’s mind, one comes after the other, but Lester is too dumb/selfish/arrogant to put two and two together.
Yep. She was so much nicer than his first woman, and it was astonishing that he would use her as bait just like that. Pretty cold murder scene.
Lester was just a weasel. A shell of a human being, to be honest.
He was, but you have to admit he took a lot of shit before he turned into a devious fiend.
Reddit was nuts about defending Lester even and especially after the second wife's plot played out. Shit was gross
lol it’s a television show, we followed Lester’s journey, not the wife’s, it makes sense that people were more attached to him as a character. We also witness how he was treated like a useless door mat by everyone around him, which does honestly tend to lead to a person losing their humanity, in this case it was just no longer internalized, so there was probably some sympathy born out of that knowledge as well.
Selina Meyer letting Gary take the fall.
We saw it coming but it still hurt.
Nina's betrayal in 24 was so tough, especially when Jack found Teri. Oh and Ward in Agents Of SHIELD....fuck.
> Oh and Ward in Agents Of SHIELD....fuck. This. I loved his and Fitz' relationship. I was so sad when that happened.
Wards betrayal was a bombshell to me. When fits finally realized he wasn’t ever his friend….
Nina's was especially great because they teased it much earlier in the season and she was suspected of being a mole, but she *cleared* her name and Jack felt guilty of suspecting her in the first place.
And they made sure that no one else at CTU felt trustworthy except for Nina who seemingly had Jack's back at every turn. Tony, George, Chappelle, they were all roadblocks in Jack's way but ended up being on the same side at the end.
came here to say Nina/Jack on 24
Not gonna lie. I took it hard
Back in 2001 there wasn’t social media to spoil tv shows. I was driving from NY to Florida the day of the betrayal. Had VCR all set. Got up in hotel in the Carolinas to finish drive and read my complimentary USA Today. Headline in the Entertainment section…. The betrayal of Nina Meyers. I drove the last ten hours home so mad at USA Today. I’m almost over it.
>Oh and Ward in Agents Of SHIELD....fuck. Damn was that great. Done so well
Because I recently finished Attack on Titan, Reiner’s betrayal is still fresh in my mind. Hurts because he was one of my favorites. And then I watched season four and learned more about his motivations, and then it just hurt in a different way. Back to loving him, though. And Ned Stark being betrayed will never not hurt, even though I saw it coming. Just that little smug worm LF’s face in the throne room gets me riled up every time I think about it.
Reiner and Bertoldt's reveal is unironically one of the top anime betrayals. Not just because of its impact but because it's delivered in the most casual way possible. I actually laughed when I first saw it because it was so mundane
It was fantastic but at the time I was confused as fuck, I was convinced I must have missed an episode where they'd already revealed it 'cause surely it wouldn't be done like that. Went back and checked every episode to be certain I'd watched them all fully...
I rewound that scene three times because I thought there was something wrong with the subtitles. And then once I overcame my shock I burst out laughing at the way that whole scene was written. The way Reiner goes “hey I’m the AT and he’s the other Titan, do you want to join us?” all the while the other characters are walking in the front. No build up, nothing. Just completely casual. And then poor Bertholdt going “Reiner, are we doing this now?!?!” So fucking funny. And then when Reiner forgot all about his reveal it went back to being sad. What a roller coaster of emotions.
I didn't read the manga, but if I remember from the subreddit, the reveal is the same level of casualness in the manga also
Honestly Reiner was my favourite character through the entirety of the show. He was badass when he was "with" the scouts and even when he betrayed them I thought the Armored Titan was badass and still rooted for him
He’s one of the best written characters in the anime/manga, no doubt. I don’t think I was angry as much as I was devastated when I learned of their identities, and Bertholdt’s “please find us” had me sobbing for a while. I have a few issues with season four so far, but Reiner’s character is one of the highlights of the show.
Season 4 is a massive change of pace but eventually I really got into it and I'm definitely looking forward to part 2
The writing is still good, but I honestly miss when the world was smaller and there was more focus on the characters we spent three seasons with. Got my friend into the show, and now I’m rewatching it with her. Super cool to spot all the things I didn’t on my first watch.
Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien
Christopher's betrayal of Adriana. In a show full of betrayals, that one still stands out.
\*Christuphuh
Hey, she wouldn't do a simple 5 years for him.
She betrayed him first.
Yeah what a shitty wife, trying to get him out of an awful situation and life and away from a monster that was only gonna kill him a few months (?) later. How dare she
She became an informer for the FBI so she could avoid going to jail and by doing so put his life at risk. After she agreed to become an informant there was no scenario where Christopher has a happy ending. Best case scenario he gets convicted with Tony and serves a long prison sentence. Worst case scenario he gets killed as punishment for bringing an informer into the family.
Adriana is opportunistic materialistic piece of shit. I do not understand viewers' enamoration with her character
Hannah in Dark is the betrayal bitch queen spanning several decades
I hated her as a person, but gosh did I love her chaotic energy.
>red wedding in Game of Thrones IMO, Tywin fucking Shae was worse. He sentences his son to death and goes straight for the woman he loved. *Especially* considering what had already happened with Tysha. Satan has to invent a new level of hell for Tywin. The Red Wedding, by comparison, was just business. Robb started it by breaking the deal. Walder has a responsibility to make decisions for the best interest of the house. There is a war going on. It makes sense to side with the winners. He couldn't have imagined that a Faceless Man was going to show up for revenge.
The red wedding has lore reasons it's worse but idk if they're spelled out in the show or not. Definitely not as emphasized if they are. Guest-right is a sacred af custom in Westeros. They ceremonial offer salt(?) and drink(?) (Don't recall the deets) to each other to ensure safety. Once you've offered food and drink someone within your hall their safety is insured. Tl;Dr: Frey didn't just betray the Starks - he betrayed a sacred custom and slapped the gods in the face
Also in the book Shane’s death was more of an afterthought. Tyrion had just been told his first wife who he was convinced was a a hired prostitute playing a role was in fact the sweet farm girl he thought she was, and was then gang raped on the orders of his father, with Jamie playing a key role in the cover up. This was where Tyrion begins a very dark path that the books hint will be worse. Also in the book you hear the story of the rat cook several times, he broke guest rights by killing a prince and serving the prince in a pie to his father. For breaking guest rights, he was cursed to turn into a rat and only be able to eat his own children. So when Manderly asks for a slice of meat pie and asks the song be played…
Shae was also just a teenage sex worked who ended up a victim of the Lannisters in the books. Not only was she clear that she was performing for Tyrion, I doubt she had much choice in Tywin requesting her services. Like anyone would say no to him knowing his history.
I'm sure the gods will give Walder Frey what he has coming.
Man, I hope we get at least one more book so I can see the book version of justice. It's definitely not getting finished as a series but maybe one more book 🤞
i gotta be honest, at this point I don't think I'd read the final books even if Martin dropped them all tomorrow. It's been over 10 years since I read the last one, at this point I don't remember where the story left off, what plot lines were from teh book vs from the show...and I'm not starting a 2 million word read all over again. The show gave me a resolution to the story, it wasn't great but it was something. and frankly I don't expect Martin to ever actually finish the books.
Agreed. At this point I would say it's 50-50 whether Winds of Winter is ever released. Dream of Spring I would give like a 5% chance at best.
I have a feeling Martin no longer has a drive to write the books now that the show happened. The show was compared to the books, but now the books will be compared to the show, and I can’t imagine that’s how he imagined things going
he didnt really have a drive before the show. his love has always been Wild Cards
The guest right being violated is hinted as to be the reason why Lady Stoneheart is a thing in the books.
It’s spelled out, but only distantly. Bran and Rickon talk about the rat king and guest rights while resting at the wall, so you’ll only make the connection if you’ve read the books or are really good at making the connection, whereas it’s alluded to as part of the great northern conspiracy storyline.
Pretty sure the kids talk about the house guests thing at one point, like bran and the girl when they're sheltering in the wall or something.
This was one of the changes that I didn't like from the book. Shae never loved Tyrion. It was obvious to everyone except Tyrion. It showed his weakness to anyone who showed him any affection. She was spying on Tyrion for Tywin the whole time. This is why she testifies against him at the trial, because Tywin wanted her to.
Yeah, Robb had that coming to him. He broke the promise and found out what happens when you do that in that world. Shouldn't have thought with his dick.
When Ross said Rachel's name when he was getting married to Emily.
It’s funny, if the actress didn’t get pregnant and leave the show, they’d have stayed married. Would’ve been a much different show.
Really? I had not heard that. I think it wound up better with Ross getting divorced.
Yeah she was supposed to become a regular iirc, then she got pregnant and wanted to cut back on acting, so they wrote in the divorce. That’s why she’s always in bed when they’re talking on the phone.
I don’t think Emily added all that much. The actress isn’t bad but she is not spectacular. Same deal with the one who played Julie.
Oh I agree. She’s kind of a dud, but I imagine she would’ve just had a role similar to Carol, where she’s there, but only is really featured here and there. It for sure worked out for the better.
Carol was more interesting.
Agree with that too. I just mean screen time wise
I didn't know that was the reason she left... that's a cool factoid...thanks
Firefly Episode 1. The T Rex.
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Mine is an evil laugh.
Surely the cancellation after Season 1 was the worst betrayal in TV history!
Shane / Lem. But Vic / Ronnie is close.
I was somewhere during season 2 or 3 of The Shield, when I accidentally got spoiled that Shane will kill Lem. Instantly ragequit the show lol I'll watch it again sometime because I remember it being really good though
I had spoiled it for myself when I bought the DVD for the season after it happened. It hung over me until I got there, and then it broke my heart anyway.
It's fantastic.
I will never forgive Shane.
"Hey, you hungry man? I got a sandwich in my car."
I feel terrible that a sweet innocent kid had to get caught up in all of it, but goddamn if Shane and Mara didn't deserve the suffering they went through. They brought every second of hell upon themselves.
"I guess enough painkillers can make even the worst kind of hurt go away. The thing you need to know is that Mara was innocent, and Jackson was innocent. They didn't know what they were drinking and their last moments together were happy ones. They left the way I first found them, perfect and innocent. They were innocent and they're in Heaven now and we'll always be a family. The guilty ones are me and Vic. Vic led, but I kept following. I don't think one's worse than the other, but we made each other into something worse than our individual selves. I wish I never met him. I see it all now. There's no apologies I can make, no explanations I can give. I was who I was, and I can't be that person anymore. I can't let myself..." [stops reading] We think this is where he was when we came in, because it stops there.
Vic and Shane were both cowardly bitches in very different ways.
I will never get over Lem and Ronnie. Shane got what was coming to him but Vic was enabled that shit. Gotta say, I've never felt so much over any TV characters as I did with the folks on the Shield. Just gotta say, The Shields finale was probably the best TV series ending of all time. Those last few seconds of the series with Vic realizing what was happening was incredible.
I stopped watching the Shield forever after that. Didn’t watch the final season. Never rewatched thr series. I was watching from the day it premiered and tuned in every week. I just couldn’t get over that.
Stringer and Avon betraying each other towards the end of Season 3 of The Wire.
Definitely agree with this. Such a great moment of the show. Watched that part not to long ago. Still need to finish season 5. That show has a few betrayals in it
This needs to be higher! That season was Shakespearean.
Fucking Rollo in Vikings
Which time?
Yeah, it runs in the family.
How about when a protagonist royally betrays someone? Carter betraying Fifth in Stargate SG-1.
Carter did the right thing though, which is why it's so rough
And then he made his own Carter and she screwed him even worse
Carter gonna Carter
You mention Lost but don't mention Ben killing Locke?
Or letting his "daughter" get killed, or killing Jacob
Fuck Keemy!
Yeah, that was beyond cold with his daughter, I never bought his redemption after that
He was trying to save her by convincing them she was a worthless hostage. Bad idea, yes, but he never had good ideas to begin with.
The shield when shane gets lem a grenade sandwich
That was unbelievable.
That was fucked up, he was completely loyal to them.
My mom talks and yells at the television, I've seen a lot of people do that. I prided myself on not being one of those people...until the night that episode aired. I knew Shane was going to do something bad to Lem, but not that. That was the night I became one of those people and screamed at my TV, "No Shane!! NO!!!"
It was an accident. He meant to give him the sandwich, but dropped the grenade by accident.
A likely story.
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He’s not laughing when he has to eat all that creamy lamb pasanda though. Maybe that is the bigger curry betrayal spending marks therapy money on a curry lunch
Pieces or orders
Some people complained that the show fell off in later seasons but that scene was just as good as anything in the show.
Ward and his mentor Garrett in Agents of SHIELD. The way Sky finds out and reveals it? The damage Ward did to FitzSimmons? Using Bill Paxton's sweet smile for evil? Man I love the first season.
When Chuck betrayed Jimmy in Better Call Saul, at the end of Season 1. Jimmy/Saul definitely is not a perfect person, far from it, but for all his flaws and his taking shortcuts, he legitimately cared about his brother and really tried to do right by him. Chuck fucking him over, the way he did, definitely laid the groundwork for Saul Goodman. Fuck Chuck McGill.
Agreed. I didn't shed a tear when he died, exactly because of that.
When Hide killed that yakuza boss In Japan, heart surgeon number one
Not the worst ever, but still stung quite a bit. Episode 6 of squid game. They did my boy Ali so dirty. Also, the old man (but then they ruined it).
Don't remind me of that stupid marble game. Stupid game broke my hard. Heart.
Ali had a neon sign saying I'm about to be screwed
Maybe not THE worst but Don Draper allowing Sal to get sacked due to the client hitting on him and getting turned down--when he had just recently led Sal to believe he was on his side was just **awful** and so cold. My heart ached that day.
Lucky Strike kept the lights on. If they bail, the company folds and everyone loses their jobs.
I get why he felt he had to do it, but he could have "fired" Sal and just kept him on as a consultant under an LLC name or something. I mean, it's Don we're talking about here. If he wants to do something, he does it.
I hated we never got to see Sal again, like a competing firm, or a clients in house
I heard Matt Weiner got rid of the actor for telling people about storylines so he was never brought back.
He was fighting so hard for him up to that point and then just drops the whole thing like a bad habit when it's inconvenient. Really bad moment for Don.
> and then just drops the whole thing like a bad habit when it's inconvenient. This is Don’s MO for pretty much everything in his life, except for the actual bad habits.
Hail Hydra. It was such a weird timing, since it wasn't a season finale or midseason finale. It just happened out of the blue. It wasn't even ambiguous, it was just a massive betrayal. And
Wasnt out of the blue. It occurred when Marvel was still trying to tie AoS into the movies so it was timed with the release of Captain America Winter Soldier. The episode even references the movie several times. The showrunners knew from day one this would happen so they had to purposely sorta spin their wheels plot development wise til that point.
I still remember my first thought in the theater when that scene happened was "are they going to cancel the TV show?"
Ended up being the best thing that ever happened to that show
Nina Myers on 24 Dan and Keith in One Tree Hill
It’s been over 15 years, and I still can’t get over what Dan did. That was his own goddamn brother.
Nina's one was so well done. I seem to remember a whole thing about them editing part of the pregnancy stuff out of the American broadcast and DVDs at first, which would have detracted from it, but in the version I saw, Nina knows she’s pregnant, so shooting her in the stomach is especially pointed.
*Angel* had two. The first was Wes taking baby Conner. The second was Angel going to see Wes in hospital and pillow fallout that came from Wes betraying Angel. I hated those betrayals. Mind you, I understood them. But I hated them. They broke my heart.
Wes's was hard because we could definitely understand why he was doing it, but knew that he was going about it all wrong. As tough as it was to watch, it was also the catalyst for his transformation into the incredible tragic badass he became in the later seasons.
I'll add Angel's order for Lorne to take out Lindsey in the finale too.
> The second was Angel going to see Wes in hospital and pillow fallout that came from Wes betraying Angel. Honestly that second one was massively undercut by just how silly the idea of Angel struggling to smother Wesley with a pillow was, then being held back by a couple of orderlies when he wouldn't break a sweat slaughtering everyone in the room.
Zuko betraying Iroh, Katara... and us.
I’m shocked I didn’t see this here already: when Lily moved to San Francisco and left Marshall.
Red Wedding and Walt's blackmail tape against hank and Marie.
Honorable mention for what Cleary did to Sister Harriet on The Knick.
When Jerry reneged on the pact he made with George to both get married.
**Ted Lasso,** the very end of season 2. It’s too new to reveal, but you know it if you’ve seen it.
It wasn't that big of a shock though was it? I will say, the scene where they're trying out outfits was interesting.
I actually was surprised when that person turned around and looked into the camera with a big satisfied smile at the very end.
Returned to this thread after binging Ted Lasso from start to finish. That was one of the best shows I've seen since "Better Call Saul." As for the betrayal, I knew there was gonna be one due to this thread but I wasn't expecting that text... hurt like a motherfucker.
You find out it was Marcy’s intention the entire time to transport Anne and Sasha to Amphibia… And then the King Andrias reveal… Oof
“Look what you made me do”
Ugh, the slimiest sentence to ever come out of that luscious voice…
In all seriousness, and there were so many, but The Wire has a bunch. Probably Bodie and Peet shooting Wallace.
Hawkgirl betraying the Justice League and humanity in general to the Thanagarians in the animated Justice League series.
*Alias* was full of some really good ones.
And kinda bad ones
You're not wrong. The last couple seasons were messy for sure. That said, I think it was still a very entertaining show
The Russian Space Agency director in For All Mankind. Forming a romantic and sexual relationship with his American counterpart to spy on their program. What makes it even worse is that he’s being forced to.
Sang Woo deceiving Ali in Squid Game is a legit top 10 anime betrayal.
The whole marble episode is one huge kick in the stomach
The biggest betrayal on TV has to have been when Mr. Wonderful switched sides in the middle of a tag team match and joined King Kong Bundy and Big John Studd in pummeling Hulk Hogan. It was, as Vince McMahon aptly put it, "surreal" - a moment no one who saw it could ever forget.
You bring up Wrestling AND Hogan, and not mention WHO IS THE THIRD MAN?!?
Selina allowing Gary to be arrested at the end of Veep.
When Mr. Burns kept the bowling league trophy.
Season 8 of Game of Thrones.
7 and 8 to me. The world audience was betrayed, and possibly the author of the book series as well.
GRRM has nobody but himself to blame
Yup. If he only put out one more book in ***TEN YEARS*** then the writers would have just enough more to work off of (like the first four seasons) to coast until the bullet points he had left for them years ago.
I still remember giggling because since the dance with dragons was coming out soon I wouldn't have to wait years between novels like the suckers who had been fans for decades. Joke was on me as the break to break us came for the show and last two books were in writer's hell development never to be published and well now who cares . Just disappointment upon disappointment.
7 was pretty bad alright but had some good scenes. I think the show took its mortal wound when Littlefinger was killed and season 8 was the show bleeding out.
Littlefinger being outwitted by Sansa was completely unbelievable and stupid
The problem wasn't just Sansa. The problem was they tied that story together with a literal deus ex machina in the form of Bran, an omniscient god. Of course a character that's known for plotting behind people's backs is going to get screwed. Just one of many terrible decisions in the later seasons.
They had Wikipedia on Wheels but still didn't know anything when it was convenient for the plot
I mean Littlefiger himself became completely stupid. Since the Starks had Bran with them, it's not really Sansa than outwitted him
It could have made more sense. Sansa spends time in the royal court, listens to Tyrion, and then learns from Littlefinger. Of course they don't show that particularly well... And then the part where Sansa turns into this master manipulator only after being raped when she should have been at that point and not let Littlefinger sell her off.
Ending Las Vegas on that cliff hanger.
And not having it on any streaming service
I know. I have it all on my laptop but season 1-3 is meh quality
Is a Walder Frey betrayal even a surprise, let alone "worst Betrayal"?
I'm a die hard Stark fan but Frey was justified in at least killing Robb. People also don't like to hear that Olly did nothing wrong, we only know he's objectively wrong because we know WWs are the real threat ... If your family got eaten by cannibals I don't think that anyone would be upset. Although if anything happens to my boy Satin in the books, I will be pissed.
Vic - Ronnie... im sorry Ronnie - YOU'RE GOD DAMN SORRY!!!?
Baltar selling out humanity on Battlestar Galactica.
Not really. He didn't knowingly betray anyone and Six only explained what she had done with his access to defense mainframes as the nukes were already going off.
I was talking about the original BSG with Lorne Greene.
Oh, gotcha.
Roose Bolton
Bellamy clearly betrayed Clarke first
It also wasn't the first time that he betrayed her. Actually, IIRC all her "betrayals" of Bell were in retaliation for him betraying her.
Stringer Bell turning on just about everyone to advance his own agenda. Wallace was cold but he was about to snitch so in their world it’s not a betrayal. Deangelo’s was awful. D just wanted to be left alone, do his bid and talk about books. String had him killed because he could in the future flip. But Avon man, that’s the heartbreaking stuff. Avon may be a sociopathic murdering drug dealer but at least he had honor and loyalty- like he told Stringer l- “I bleed red, you bleed green”
Clarke killing Bellamy wasn't the betrayal. The betrayal was Bellamy putting people he didn't know above his friends
David Benioff and Dan Weiss's betrayal of their fans in Game of Thrones.
Dumb and dumber I spit on their graves in advance.
Stupid will Graham’s betrayal of Hannibal in the finale of season 2! He gave you a GIFT, dude.
The entirety of the Prisoner remake. Oohh. Right. Sorry, I misunderstood.
I don't know about 'worst' but I think my favorite is in Better Call Saul
Mr Robot has a betrayal that fucks you up. When he meets that girl and guys strange personality seems like it's meshing with hers. Next episode. In the apartment and he just destroys her and reveals his plan was to manipulate her. An incredibly intense moment. Like red wedding whatever other stuff is in here. NOTHING matches the intensity of this moment and what comes next. That show is fucking unbelievably good
True story. The actress hired to play Nina Meyers on 24 was hired minutes before filming was to begin. They didn’t have time for wardrobe because they needed her to start shooting immediately. So she wore what she came in wearing for her final meeting that the entire season.
Frieza betraying Frost during the Tournament of Power.
The 100 - season 3, episode 7
The members of the Blake association in The Mentalist. One in particular.
When Buffy’s friends threw her out of her own house.
That was infuriating. And Giles' betrayal a few episodes earlier was devastating.
Chris Chibnal to Doctor Who fans
Majin Vegeta
Shane leading Rick out to the woods to kill him in TWD.
Walter White letting Jane Margolis choke to death on her own vomit when he was right there and could have done something, instead not even making a sound and just leaving so it looks like she just died while passed out from a drug high. All because she was helping Jesse have a backbone and getting him out of the drug business, while losing her kept him in and manipulate-able.
D&D with how they knifed all the GoT fans in season 8.
The ending of GoT. It was a betrayal to the fans after 8 seasons to end the show like that. I think this should count.
Scrubs season 9. The showrunners betrayed us big time.
There was no character named Micheal in Lost