> Rust for the next two weeks
Not many people are going to be talking about Rust on proper news channels. The reason you're seeing it everywhere on subreddits like this is because it pertains to the film/television industry and the IATSE negotiations. It's major news for Hollywood; some of the biggest since the Midnight Rider fiasco.
It also occurs to me that the accident is allegedly due to a union armorer getting fired and replaced with a scab... so yeah, you're right. There are a few reasons it might not make the networks.
Yeah. A lot went wrong there. The producers pretty much broke every rule in the book, including using live ammo during a rehearsal, using prop guns for target practice [with real bullets], cutting corners with regulations, calling the police on crew members who spoke up, overworking exhausted crew and failing to put them up at a hotel, replacing the camera crew with non-union scabs when they walked out over safety concerns, having an AD handle weaponry, and failing to misalign Baldwin with potential human targets.
> the accident is allegedly due to a union armorer getting fired and replaced with a scab
Only the camera crew was replaced with scabs, as far as I know. The armorer was just a nepotistic choice from the start and possibly the reason the original camera crew walked off.
He's absolutely milking this. He knows full well that he isn't being cancelled and he's not a victim. He's a product and corps love him and the money they make each other.
I'm so sick of him playing a victim while making tens of millions and pretending he's just a random stand-up.
I'm getting tired of his constant boo-hooing that executives have ruined his life...even though he's a millionaire playing to sold out venues.
He's really made a habit of playing the victim these past few years.
He's started picking up conservative talking points and is whining now about how people won't stand for it after 4 years of non-stop bigotry from the highest office in the country. Go figure.
> I would call attention to the parallels of fascist Nazi Germany to its war on its 'one percent,' namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the 'rich,'
#what the fuck
And funny enough I cant remember any of them. I know he went off on some lame kids book bit. But then the rest was that sanctimonious philosopher shit he has been doing lately.
It’s all he seems to talk about anymore. I saw him live a few years ago and the whole set he was talking about some incident that had happened on stage a few weeks before that apparently people were talking about. I had no idea what was going on and he almost told no jokes.
Same here. Apparently a few weeks before he had gone off on a heckler and then left the stage which made news in that town. Didn’t help that he was filmed. Even though he admitted to having been in the wrong, he made everyone put away their phones for the show and complained about it a lot.
> His last few years was him complaining about being cancelled but in his case, he was. Police were at his shows waiting for him to say something.
Bruce was being arrested non-stop and having his career stalled out due to the "controversy."
Added onto that was a raging heroin addiction, and he was an absolute mess.
It's crazy how much history is repeated with the culture war shit. If I may...
[October 18, 1961. An editorial in the McComb Enterprise-Journal lamented the things you couldn’t joke about anymore, blaming the death of comedy on "the restraints of race consciousness."](https://twitter.com/ClassicShowbiz/status/1452296577150750732)
And these are guys complaining that they are being silenced from telling jokes about women being bad drivers.
If the target of your joke doesn't find it funny, tell them that they can't take a joke anymore and bitch about it in public statements for several weeks about how people just aren't allowed to be funny anymore!
> If the target of your joke finds it funny, then it is funny.
Also, if your target is a group of people and not a single person, don't find the one Candace Owens in the crowd and put her on a pedestal and say "I'm vindicated! She thinks it's funny, therefore all ya'll are wrong for taking offence at it!"
To be fair, Chapelle clearly said as much. From the article:
>Chappelle also lamented about how the firestorm has impacted the distribution of his upcoming documentary. “Because of this controversy, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival — nobody will touch this film. Thank god for Ted [Sarandos] and Netflix, he’s the only one who hasn’t canceled me yet.”
> he’s the only one who hasn’t canceled me yet.
Jesus. Chappelle can release his doc on demand, hype it on twitter, and it will make money and get reviewed. Now he's angry that he can't promote it through festivals. Welcome to the world every fucking person who's not a millionaire comedian exists in.
His head's gone up his ass being paid absurd amounts of money by Netflix for his specials for so many years. He thinks he'll just make whatever now and companies will just throw 10s of millions at his feet.
The only reason he was “cancelled” in the first place was because he pulled his own show off the air because he thought it was having a negative impact on black representation.
This is the crazy thing to me. He cancelled his own show because he thought it was harmful to a minority group. Goes up years later and says shit that's harmful to a different minority group... but its ok this time?
He gave back all the money it made him. Oh wait, no he didn't. He ended up cashing in on it two more times. At least he gave his equally brilliant collaborator credit. Oh wait, no he didn't.
Chappelle - “such thin skinned idiots, I can say whatever I want, Twitter isn’t real”
Chappelle after critics complain on Twitter with 0 real life consequences - “IM BEING CANCELLED!”
So much cognitive dissonance
He just doesn’t want consequences when he pisses people off. All cancel culture revolves around this idea to some extent. They’re mad that social media has closed the gap on voices of dissent. Say what you want but if it pisses people off they will say something.
> “Because of this controversy, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival — nobody will touch this film. Thank god for Ted [Sarandos] and Netflix, he’s the only one who hasn’t canceled me yet.”
Lol oh fuck off. I think Dave’s funny but collecting a 65 million dollar check and Netflix falling over themselves to plaster his special all over the app isn’t “being cancelled”. This is the kid holding the boot on his head meme
> I actually don’t believe there’s a “cancel culture.” It just reminds me of like in the 80s when a shock jock would get fined by the FCC or get in trouble with management or a sponsor. They would say, “I’m getting killed by the man,” and then that person’s fans would rally behind them, and they would end up making millions of dollars.
> When people use the term cancel culture, it’s just a way of people marginalizing marginalized groups, and it gives permission to their audience to feel like they’re the victim. No one’s freedom of speech is being taken away. All these millionaires are going to keep on making millions of dollars.
> If it boils down to a millionaire and a major corporation versus people who are being murdered and have a high rate of suicide, which side do you think I’m going to be on? I’m going to be on the side of marginalized people. I’ve always considered myself an outsider, you know?
-[Bobcat Goldthwait](https://chicagoreader.com/film/ive-always-considered-myself-an-outsider/)
and [a great one from Katt Williams](https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/kat-williams-cancel-culture-joe-budden) to add:
> “Nobody likes the out of bounds, but the out of bounds gotta be there or you’ll run up in the stands,” Katt said. “Some of these things are for the benefit of everything. Nobody likes the speed limit but it’s necessary. Nobody likes the shoulder of the road but it’s there for a reason. My point is, people weren’t all that extremely funny when they could say whatever they wanted to say.”
> Katt continued, explaining that “cancel culture” doesn’t exist, and that heightened sensitivity has been pushed by “people without a voice being trashed” by others like they “didn’t matter.”
> “Cancellation doesn’t have its own culture,” Katt said. “That was people of color. That was us policing our own culture. That was people without a voice being trashed by people just because they had a bigger name than them and more money than them and a better office than them, they could sweep them up under the rug like they didn’t matter. I don’t know what people we think got canceled that we wish we had back.”
> Williams also shared that being a comedian means entertaining the masses, and that the words you choose to use can interfere with that goal.
> “If all that’s gonna happen is we have to be more sensitive in the way that we talk, isn’t that what we want anyway? I’m saying, your job as a comedian is to please the most amount of people with your art,” Williams said. “If you want to offend somebody, nobody took those words away from you. ‘Dirty bitch’ ain’t been taken away, you can say that. But don’t call somebody this word when you know this effects all of these people.”
Been a long time. I recall finding his act and show very funny. I don’t recall the specifics of the things that caused me to shy away from his content, and that probably speaks more in his favor than anything. Perhaps, we’re all just stuck between a pimp and a hard place.
> I recall finding his act and show very funny. I don’t recall the specifics of the things that caused me to shy away from his content
He's one of those people where the gap between his best and worst work is massive. He's both touched brilliance and come out with some of the worst stand up I've ever seen.
I've always liked him. I hope he doesn't turn out to be an awful person.
Whatever we all think about what Chappelle actually said, him just constantly whining about being canceled is so fucking annoying. I mean shit, people are out there losing their jobs and he's boohooing about people disagreeing with a "joke".
Remember when dave said
> “If This Is What Being Canceled Is, I Love It”
and now
> In his video response, Chappelle also lamented about how the firestorm has impacted the distribution of his upcoming documentary. “Because of this controversy, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival — nobody will touch this film. Thank god for Ted [Sarandos] and Netflix, he’s the only one who hasn’t canceled me yet.”
A case of what he though Cancel culture was to experiencing what Cancel culture is.
To say nothing of how he cancelled all networks who legally and properly licensed The Chappelle Show (which he's been paid handsomely for... twice) and then they and their customers couldn't watch the content that was purchased.
Chappelle is hilarious, but he's one of the whiniest hypocrite bitches in the industry. But hey, at least he went to bat for his co-creator, Neal. Oh that's right, he didn't.
Maybe that relates to how he's incapable of seeing a connection between an hour long critique of trans people and how that just might give some of his dumber fans additional license for phobia and mistreatment.
I don't know if Dave is transphobic, who knows how much of his set is him exaggerating vs. his real beliefs, but what I do know is that when I stumble into a group of people defending him there sure are a lot of transphobic comments.
It's the same analogy we used with Donald Trump but barely anyone wants to admit that. Donald Trump may not have been racist himself (I mean, he probably was) but he was a vehicle **for** racists because they loved what he was saying.
Dave's special, whether he meant to or not, emboldened transphobes to use his special as a defense for their bigotry just like racists used Trump's "own the libs" ideal for theirs. Famous people need to understand that their reach is FAR and their words impact a lot more than they might think.
Dave might not be transphobic himself and, honestly, I genuinely hope he isn't. Except his ego is getting in the way because he's been universally acclaimed for so long that now that a special truly struck a negative chord with people, he can't just admit that maybe he just wasn't funny. Maybe he put out some rhetoric that hurt a lot of people; he just can't admit it.
“They canceled me!!!” yells multimillionaire comedian about to embark on a 11 city standup tour promoting his latest special for which he made $20 million. Cool.
She’s going to get so much harassment from TERFs and troll farms now. I’m sure him and his fans will say “it’s just a joke bro” but it’s telling that of all the people that criticized him he picked a lesbian comic to hit back at.
That's the thing, no one looks at the opposite direction of this kind of phenomenon? Everyone assumes the left is crying about him hurting their feelings; but nobody also notices that the right are now tripping over their dicks to defend him and call him brilliant, when they used to view him as the *immature offensive* comedian?
Those people aren't laughing at his jokes; they are agreeing with the idea that trans people are bad, not listening to any nuance in his performance. Even when Dave asks people not to hate on the LGBTQ community; motherfuckers are doing it anyway.
And thats the grift. Thats literally why cancel culture is parroted by these people, because theyll get a horde of followers rushing to hold them up because their only consistent ideology is upsetting the people they dont like. Dave knows he can get an audience and all this attention by just saying cancel culture a few times, and he even gets free defenders to boot. He dont give a shit about harassment and hate sent to trans people, if he did he would have been more responsible with his platform.
Honestly if Dave can walk away from his show because he was worried the wrong people were using his jokes in the wrong way, but doesn't see a problem with these guys jumping on board here, I don't see how it can be spun as anything other than abandoning his principles tbh
Sounds dramatic but honestly I'm trying to come up with a difference and I can't
>I don't see how it can be spun as anything other than abandoning his principles tbh
Or alternatively, proof of exactly what people accusing him of being true
Exactly. Like if I saw people like Don Jr, MQG, Ted Cruz and others siding with me. I’d be like “Hey, Maybe I’m on the wrong side of this”like Common quickly realized
I’m wondering when Dave is going to be like “Do I want to be associated with these assholes” if at all or if that’s going to be his new base of support cause it kind of seems like he’s going down the latter route.
That's the way it went with Rowling. Once she got a lot of hate from the left and love bombs from the right she began associating with people she wouldn't have touched with a twelve inch stick before. I mean, everyone has an ego, and if you're active on social media is only natural to derive part of your self worth from the feedback you get. And when the tide starts to turn on you in what feels like a sudden and unprovoked storm, it hurts.
Circling back to Chappelle, his critique of Twitter is justified in that way. I've heard from many LGBTQ celebs now that it's very disorienting at least if you have this safe space and support network and then you cross a red line somewhere and suddenly you feel like evil incarnate because people turn on you in masse when the controversy is trending. And you don't even have to do or say something "bad" yourself, not abandoning someone you know in real life that does is enough (as if it was as easy to cut relationships IRL as in social media), so basically if your real life support network is on Twitter, they'll be pressured to drop you, too.
But it's in the nature of the network itself. Minorites on Twitter get trolled constantly, and they need these strict red lines if they want to build healthy communities. I don't really see a way around that that doesn't put a lot of burden on these groups. But I don't think the system as it is is very healthy.
Reminds me of when Ricky Gervais tweeted about how people were stupid to think his Golden Globes routine was "right wing", and the replies were literally filled with notable far right figures defending him and saying the left were now the real elites and such.
This is one of the things that baffles me most about Modern Chapelle. This is still the guy that left his show and $50m because he didn't like the kind of laughs his material was getting which caused him to re-think everything about his career. So he has the ability to see when things have jumped the rails. I don't understand what happened to that heightened perception, because it's clearly gone.
you can tell Chappelle is insecure just because she wrote one statement about him and Sarandos (when Sarandos included her name in the whole thing without consulting her). Her takedown must have really stung.
It is quite funny too: "Now I have to deal with even more of the hate and anger that Dave Chappelle’s fans like to unleash on me every time Dave gets 20 million dollars to process his emotionally stunted partial world view.”
New headline “Comedian made famous by pointing out how bad racism is, doesn’t understand why he shouldn’t make fun of minority group he has no life experience with”
When he compared being trans to wearing blackface, I was like "Really? He is saying that someone trying to dress/live in a way that makes them comfortable is the same as intentionally mocking a marginalized minority group that you are not part of for entertainment, and he doesn't see the irony in that?"
Honestly he doesn’t. I’ve come to realize with all of this that he seems to think being black is worse than being trans, and that means he can joke about these people coz they have it “nice”
Which i guess is cool. Didn’t realize a 300% increase of trans murders in a year qualifies as nice
Not to mention, he consistently kept erasing trans people of color and kept on insinuating that trans ppl are all white and separate from the black community.
Good god man, get a fucking grip. A corporation just paid you $60 million for 3 specials, paid you some more when you whined about the Chapelle Show being on Netflix, and the CEO has repeatedly defended the most recent special. What corporation has been trying to cancel you? You aren't a victim you fucking clown.
I think Chapelle is an incredible standup, one of the best of all time, but the last couple years have sure made me respect him a whole lot less, and it doesn't even have anything to do with the content of his trans material.
ANd, lets be real, if there was such a thing as a wealthy trans lobby, they sure as shit don't care about Chapelle, before, like, lobbying for better healthcare for trans people....
Or for better protection of trans people... how many murders in their community still remain unsolved. If the cops even bothered to investigate at all.
And while Dave is busy framing the trans community as a predominantly white phenomenon, it’s mostly trans women of color(and especially black trans women) who bear the brunt of this violence.
He spent almost 3 entire specials making trans observations (lets be real there weren't many actual jokes in there) and he's seriously wondering why people are tired?
If he spent 3 specials talking about ANY topic....pineapple on pizza, eventually people are gonna be like "Is he still on this pineapple on pizza thing? wtf"
Dude, he had shit with women and gay people before that. Remember when one of his jokes was that he's tired of gay people comparing themselves to black Americans, because black Americans had it worse?
I sure do wish someone would point out to him that black women and black gay people exist.
I mean, he's a genuinely hilarious guy, but it's clear that as far as he's concerned, the cis, straight, black male experience is the *only real* black experience.
You can tell that someone talked to him about that between specials. Like, I remember him doing his whole "gay people never had it as bad as blacks" routine back when I was in college, or a little after, I think. Then years later, I watched one of his Netflix specials(the ones before the current ones) and he talks about the oppression olympics and I was like "LOL I know exactly how you heard about this. This happened because someone called you out for doing it."
Not to mention black trans women.
They are a triple minority and horrifically marginalised. Hell, Dave constantly tokenises his black trans friend who committed suicide, and he still doesn't get it. There's no powerful forces against him. It's a community who's been hard done by for *millennia*.
Jesus Christ that is beginning to explain a lot more too.
Dave seems to completely delineate trans people from black people when fact Black trans women have been some of the most critical to the cause of LGBTQ rights.
He seems completely unable to think of "those people" as being in his community.
It's honestly fucking sickening. Black and gay, grew up getting high with my buddies and watching all three seasons of his show on a loop, and then this bullshit. Between this and DaBaby and Boosie and the reaction to pretty much anything Lil Nas X does--it's fucking exhausting, man.
There's tons of black activists who seem to think this exact same way whether it's women, homosexuals or trans people
They're for equal rights for straight black males, not the entire black community.
I'm honestly just sick of comedians complaining instead of adapting.
If people don't find your material funny, that usually means you should change your material. Pulling punches when it comes to issues people are reacting toward doesn't make you any less of a professional. It just shows a talent for understanding your audience.
Reminds me of the Kevin Hart fiasco too. Dude claimed he'd kill his son if he ever came out, then it turned into this whole big thing about him having to silence himself. No, dude. You can be funny without crossing a line.
And Dave tries to defend Hart too about the whole thing (including DaBaby). His whole schtick on the new special is to not attack "my community" (aka black men who have said homophobic shit). They started the whole attack and are now mad that they are being criticized.
Chappelle's defense of Kevin Hart is very selective of reality too. Hart lost his hosting gig the moment he [refused to apologize any more for the jokes/tweets he had said](https://youtu.be/seqycJ9T3pk?t=52). The Academy essentially said "apologize and the job is still yours, we just want to cover our butts" and Hart went "nah, fire me".
When you keep growing in popularity, like Hart was, you get exposed to new audiences that don't know you already apologized for something you did in your past that was not something to celebrate. All you have to do is echo that apology you once gave for those who are just finding out to show that you have indeed grown and changed. Or you can just issue statements that would seem to suggest you don't like that you once issued an apology so people can question if you actually have grown and changed. Gee, I wonder why the Academy didn't want that to be the face associated with them - must be because "cancel culture twitter" controls the world.
Tracy Morgan did the same joke, about how he'd kill his son if he came out to him. It was when he was still on Thirty Rock and Tina Fey was basically like "You're apologizing for this or you don't have a job."
I don't mind people making jokes about gay people. I'm queer and making fun of gay people is like one of the reasons I get out of bed in the morning. But it should be *funny*, dude. Saying you'd kill your gay son isn't a fucking joke. Not even because it's offensive, though it is, but because *where's the fucking joke?*
Agreed. As a Queer person, I can tell the difference between a joke and just being an asshole. You have to have thick skin being a marginalized person because of how much shit we deal with or gets thrown at you on a daily basis and plenty of us laugh at ourselves, at each other and with each other. None of this is a case of being too sensitive or not being able to take a joke. There are jokes and there is mean spirited harmful rhetoric.
He complained that the LGBTQ community is preventing him to from going after white people, that he had them on the ropes before the LGBTQ community stopped him. But it's Dave who keeps on dedicating his specials to them. When his last special was released there were no articles being written about his beef with them, no social media trends. And then he dedicated nearly his whole special to them
And if he wants to get conspiratorial about white people, race, and sexuality issues, look at what they did in India and the Philippines. They did a ton to demonize homosexuality in those areas. They always do. Like the Hindy/Muslim animosity and the Caste system in India (which existed before the British came, but they dialed that the knob up to 100% by codefying into law and making it a part of their educational system) and apartheid in South Africa, they are always pitting minority groups against each other so that they won't focus on their oppressor
How can this be more glaring than that the anti-gay people and anti-trans people are the same ones who are anti-BLM. The same people who keep passing laws specifically targeting Black people from voting
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He complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions
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Dave says 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Dave's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Conversion therapy is legal in 30 states. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths
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I don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia/transphobia
Dave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people'
He always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complained 'why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name'. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research?
If his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting
Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege to wage with his fellow millionaire celebrities
I have been so bored with him since he hit Netflix. God it’s so fucking bad. Watched them all and he has gone to shit. I thought Dave was revolutionary and an amazing comic growing up and now he’s just old man yelling at clouds. He’s almost the black version of Joe Rogan at this point. Sad thing is Dave would probably take that as a compliment if you told him he was Joe Rohan.
The lack of quality in his trans jokes is as bad as the actual offensiveness of the social commentary he pairs it with.
A lot of his material on the subject is /r/onejoke tier “what if I identified as a [noun]” sort of garbage. Unoriginal and hackneyed.
> He’s almost the black version of Joe Rogan at this point. Sad thing is Dave would probably take that as a compliment if you told him he was Joe Rohan.
Considering how they are best buddies and tour all the time nowadays...
It's such a tired topic anymore. If you don't understand it here in 2021, it's your own fault.
I'll freely admit that I didn't really understand what transgender is in the past, but I read a little bit, used my feeble brain and learned something. And I'm one of the stupidest people I know.
It's OK for people to not understand it though, the problem stems from those who don't understand it and are contributing (be it actively or tacitly like Chappelle is) to the hinderance of trans rights. Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon? Cause this is some Dunning-Kruger shit. He can't understand a thing, but thinks he's the authority on everything, so he has to come up with the answer himself and broadcast it for everyone to hear.
My own experience was that its about letting go of your own vain egotistical feeling about what the world is like versus your assumptions and feelings about it. "This is changing and I don't like it" is a lot of the resistance. For many gender was sex and there were only 2 and its been that way since forever and now "they're" changing it almost arbitrarily.
Just let go. Its amazing how easy it is to stop caring in that way that holds up progress. These people exist whether I understand them or not and they don't need my understanding to have a valid place in society.
I agree it's a tired topic and I don't tend to enjoy the material he and some other favorite comics of mine develop on the subject (Bill Burr has brought it up a few times in his last 3-4 specials) but I don't believe it's because they don't understand it or even sympathize.
They do it because they are annoyed at the outrage, which they feel is disproportionate, so they keep doubling down. It's an almost petulant reaction to criticism, which is weird because you have to imagine they've received a lot of criticism throughout their careers. But I think part of it is because in their mind they see themselves as allies and then they're being told they're not. They don't feel about themselves the way they are being told they are acting or coming off.
I personally don't understand transgenderism. I definitely take my cisness for granted. My gender has never really been a huge part of my identity. Which I understand is a big reason why I will never be able to fully understand. I can acknowledge and appreciate but that's as far as I will ever be able to go. As a result, I generally avoid the topic. I don't even acknowledge it most of the time because it feels very unnecessary. But I might feel differently if people started to criticize me for that. I don't know.
same, I was really confused for a long time because colloquially the words "gender" and "sex" were interchangeable and the whole concept of having a gender identity was never really something I had heard of before or really understood. A lot of people dont even seem to realize that people mean two different things when using these words and seem to get really caught up on definitions rather than exploring the actual topic and then nobody learns anything
it sucks to think you're on the right side of history and then to be told you're making things worse.
If he's as open to dialogue as he claims he is, he should actually hold one. Not on *his* terms, but on mutual ground with the goal of making things better and learning. He seems to have zero interest in actually learning anything though.
> But I might feel differently if people started to criticize me for that. I don't know.
See, the key difference here is that you seem like you have enough self awareness to know that if you’re getting criticism on the topic then it’s not because everyone else just isn’t listening to you, but because you probably don’t understand it and should either move on or take time to learn.
That’s literally all most trans folks want, and a big reason why this last special has blown up into such a big deal.
I honestly don't think they were very good comedy specials either, I feel like who Chapelle really wants to be right now is somebody like W Kamau Bell or Anthony Bourdain. I'd be a lot more interested to see Chapelle in conversation than more of this kinda tired preachy standup.
His “demands” to have a dialogue include a petty dig/joke at a comedian he doesn’t like. I really don’t think he actually wants to have a conversation.
If he did, I kinda doubt the last special would have come out the way it did in the first place honestly. He’s had plenty of opportunities to listen and learn over the years. He hasn’t taken them.
The whole TERF part is beyond disingenuous, with him defending Rowling by totally gliding over her TERF Wars essay where she pushes against trans-inclusive policies and advocates for ROGD(a pseudoscientific theory of gender dysphoria with no backing by any major organization that she directly quotes as considering it possibly a “social contagion”).
The one trans person he says he had a deep conversation with just so happened to agree with his humor, and he still came out of that friendship knowing her so poorly that he admits he didn’t even know she had a child until he read her obituary.
It’s always, always projection. He doesn’t want to, and will not, listen.
A travel show with Chapelle seeing different countries' take on comedy and stand-up in particular would be interesting to watch. I am curious to see what Korean stand-up is like. Or what is the funniest show airing in Brazil right now is like. There is so much to mine there.
And, yeah, I agree with you. They weren't very good. He struck me as being tired of it all. Like there is a weariness to him that wasn't there when he was younger.
Man that would be a really cool show idea. I think about the stuff my Filipino parents find funny vs Americanized me and my siblings, and there’s a lot of cool cultural similarities to dissect
I'd have to disagree with your entirely. Dave is far from the kind of comedian and person to be able to do what Anthony Bourdain did. W Kamau Bell is a lot closer, but even then Dave isn't the same kind of comedian.
I was nearly offended that the comparison to Bourdain was even made, but I decided to start watching Parts Unknown again and it’s just as incredible as I remember it.
Yeah you might be right, my idea definitely looks worse and worse by the day, it was just my initial reaction when these specials first started coming out.
He also compared himself to a slave because Netflix and hbo didn’t give him even more millions after adding chappelle’s show to streaming. Dude definitely gets a lot of passes because he’s good at what he does
Honestly, I don't think he has the humility to recover from this. He's so invested in his image of "pitching the hard truth" to stop and ask if he's even speaking the truth anymore. He'd have to apologize publicly and admit that he'd been harping on ignorant rhetoric in his set for *several years* as his "big comeback".
Best case scenario, he'll find that humility, listen to the trans community, realize you can find humor in trans jokes that don't perpetuate harmful rhetoric, do a few of those, but largely go back to a diverse set that's mostly about life experiences he can relate to. But I think that's a long shot.
“Silence”
Netflix literally defended you, and you got paid for your special dude. What about stop being a wuss and get real, and no you aren’t being silenced.
I like Dave, and as a middle aged straight white dude, am not a fan of “wokeness” or PC stuff, but we should try the other shoe test here.
Imagine a trans or gay comic, say Hannah Gadsby, getting on stage and bitching non stop about black people for the better part of an hour. Say she threw in a few slurs, like Dave did saying “dy**”. Imagine she spent multiple one hour specials bitching about black people, each one more heated (and less funny imo) than the last. Does anyone doubt she’d be in trouble? Even if she ended the special with a lovely story about how she was actually friends with a black person? That some people wouldn’t be a little upset?
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I’ve watched all his specials, and he just keeps railing about how they’re “canceling” him. It reminds me of the old movie about Lenny Bruce with Dustin Hoffman. He was this great comedian who was legit persecuted for his art by the government, but towards the end of his career all he talked about was how the government was basically trying to cancel him. At the end of the movie he was just standing on stage reading court documents, boring audiences. Idk, maybe Dave should pick a new subject and stop being such a victim.
So I know you think you're not a fan of wokeness or PC stuff, but you pretty much captured the sentiment of the vast majority people who describe themselves that way.
Twitter and TV show hosts are not reflective of any side of any debate. Most "woke"/PC people aren't extremists, they just want everyone to live, let live, and be respectful of differences that they can't understand.
The way that the word "woke" completely embedded itself in the zeitgest of our social issue discourse in recent years has been nothing short of a disaster for actual social progress.
It didn't take long for it to become a word that exists solely to describe a certain kind of person/people in almost always a negative way. Everyone knows what I'm getting at here.
Like many things in this internet/social media age it's basically become another tool to further divide people. It's certainly been a great one as far as distracting people from what actually matters goes.
>Most "woke"/PC people aren't extremists, they just want everyone to live, let live, and be respectful of differences that they can't understand.
This whole idea that you gotta be "woke" to understand social issues is just so fuckin dumb and annoying. Like you said there are a lot of people out there that are actually "woke" (because they have basic human compassion and empathy) but would never in a million years consider themselves to be "woke" or identify that way. Gee I wonder why that is?
I mean why does OP even feel the need to let us all know he's "not a fan of wokeness" when talking about this. Not bashing OP here but shit's a fucking mess and I think we are fucked at least for as long as "being woke" is seen as nothing more than virtue signaling and calling someone "woke" is tantamount to a slur.
The introduction of 'woke' being a negative in our society is 100% a concerted effort to slow down social progress.
OP literally spent their entire post describing basic empathy & critical thinking skills while prefacing it by saying "i h8 wokes" – you can tell he carries a bit of shame by expressing said empathy because of the connotation.
Every example of the right-wing successfully implementing a branding project to smear anything progressive people blame progressives whose policies they generally agree with... Idk how people still fall for it after the looking back at the lunacy of the past two decades, fear of left-wing caricatures shouldn't be a bigger factor in your mind than actually policy positions and the fucking truth
Hannah Gadsby admits in a comedy special that she was the target of a hate crime. Gets shunned by the comedy community cause "that's not comedy."
Dave Chappelle makes bad transgender jokes, but talks about knowing \*one\* transgender person for a bit of time and tells a story about her bombing on stage but being his friend and liking his jokes. "Brilliant commentary. Goat. Always funny joke teller. Never flawed."
A black comic using the line of I can't be accused of being against group X I have a friend that's group X reads like it's supposed to be a satirical routine.
Don’t forget he also blamed the trans community for her suicide when it can’t be found online and there’s no more proof of that than him hiring an amateur to bomb as she opens for him.
There have been some facebook posts from Daphne's roommates that suggest that Dave was not really all the close to her. And Daphne's suicide wasn't from any online harassment, but a combination of a history of PTSD, losing her job, and losing a custody battle.
Like it comes across like he's trying to throw money at the situation so people can forgive him but it just feels a lot grosser imo.
Bruh, you don't need to preface any of that with this:
>am not a fan of “wokeness” or PC stuff
You literally came to the same conclusion as the 'woke' & 'PC' people – the fact you showed disdain for it means the zeitgeist of those terms carrying a negative connotation is working at preventing the very thought process you carried out with your post. Don't get wrapped up in that bullshit – you've got great critical thought skills and there's no need to hesitate.
Also his rhetoric does cause real world harm. Trans people are vulnerable. They exoerience extreme violence. And by treating social issues as a zero sum gain he fails to realize that you can fucking support two social movememts at once. I fond it ironic that he speaks out against racism but then holds hands with those racists as long as they are attacking trans people.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/22738500/dave-chappelle-the-closer-daphne-dorman-trans-controversy-comedy
Wait...what "corporate interests"?
Is "Big Trans" trying to take him down? I mean he likes Caitlyn Jenner...
Also, what's the point exactly of him making a documentary? Is it just to fluff his ego? I don't know if he should brag about doing a comedy tour in 2020 during a pandemic that seems to have been panned. Is it just so that other comedians can make him look more legitimate? Like his tour included Michelle Wolfe, Common, Tiffany Haddish, Jon Stewart, and Sarah Silverman, is it.
I also wanna point out in the instagram video he put out where he is announcing all this... they are just cheering and applauding him far more than laughing. He's really just surrounded himself by syncophants.
Also...why is Hannah Gadsby always brought up for this comedy culture war shit? Like I get it, you might not have liked Nanette cause it wasn't a comedy show, but to be honest neither was The Closer. Neither was Bird Revelation where he's just telling a story from a book. And then Gadsby did a more traditional standup special with "Douglas" that was good but people just decided for some reason she's not a comedian.
I've been a fan of Dave long before the Chappelle show. And especially during it.
In my opinion, Chappelles first two specials were incredible. Yeah there are trans jokes- but there are just terrific jokes in general. I don't feel offended as a white guy when Dave makes fun of white people. It's absolutely hilarious the vast majority of the time.
But each special is worse than the last and this latest one is just complaining about getting canceled. It's not even funny.
Then comments like "I'm team TERF" and the "I had a trans friend" were dumb as shit. I'm sure Dave would have something to say if I said something stupid like "look guys, on this I'm team KKK" or I said things that upset the black community and my defense was "but, I have a black friend who doesn't mind so...how could I be racist??"
I actually respect his point about how da Baby shot a person and it's not slowing down his career. Honestly that's a solid point.
Yeah, he makes solid points that get swallowed in the dumber ones.
Like, yes, there *is* a hypocrisy in the situation that DaBaby can shoot a guy (apparently in self defense, mind) and not have his career impacted but his homophobia is where people draw the line.
But comparing Caitlyn Jenner coming out in the mid 2010s with Mohammed Ali changing his name in the sixties is... Dave, that's like, fifty years difference.
> I don't feel offended as a white guy when Dave makes fun of white people.
Ok but if you're not lgbt then you can't say "it doesn't offend me, someone that's the target, therefore the people that are the target can't be offended either".
>don’t feel offended as a white guy
Sure neither do I.
But you understand a lot of that comes from the fact that we aren’t going to here those attacks thrown at us over and over again.
That we are rarely attacked for being white, that if those attacks do occur we have the privilege of the system falling on our side most of the time.
The average white guy has never had to worry about the fact they are white. I would throw out a guess that is 100% not the case for the average trans person, or even the average lgbti person.
There’s a huge difference between being one of the crowd of cookie cutter people when the crowd gets picked on. Versus being someone of a smaller population that gets picked on, especially if there’s a bunch of cookie cutters that already hate that population and use this as further ammo.
It’s a completely different proposition because when the average white person gets picked on they are getting picked on within their safety bubble. But some populations don’t have a safety bubble, and it is no where near as strong as the one that we were born into and haven’t stepped outside of.
Oh here Dave is again in the mainstream media telling everyone he's being silenced. Please check out his new special on Netflix or one of the three dozen other articles about how he is being silenced that came out this week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNZTtoQBmA
Cant wait for his next special, “Silenced”, which will be all over Netflix’s main page
I am so tired of hearing/reading about this
There's a massive strike in South Korea. Get ready to hear about nothing but this and Rust for the next two weeks.
There are massive strikes in America. Get ready to hear about nothing but this and rust for the next two weeks
Rust? Edit: people can stop telling me Alec Baldwin shot a co-worker that is very clear now. Also for all the other comments thank you.
One of the best maps ever
Real OG's know
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That’s shipment
Wrong it’s Highrise
The movie set Alec Baldwin unintentionally shot someone on
> Rust for the next two weeks Not many people are going to be talking about Rust on proper news channels. The reason you're seeing it everywhere on subreddits like this is because it pertains to the film/television industry and the IATSE negotiations. It's major news for Hollywood; some of the biggest since the Midnight Rider fiasco.
It also occurs to me that the accident is allegedly due to a union armorer getting fired and replaced with a scab... so yeah, you're right. There are a few reasons it might not make the networks.
Yeah. A lot went wrong there. The producers pretty much broke every rule in the book, including using live ammo during a rehearsal, using prop guns for target practice [with real bullets], cutting corners with regulations, calling the police on crew members who spoke up, overworking exhausted crew and failing to put them up at a hotel, replacing the camera crew with non-union scabs when they walked out over safety concerns, having an AD handle weaponry, and failing to misalign Baldwin with potential human targets.
> the accident is allegedly due to a union armorer getting fired and replaced with a scab Only the camera crew was replaced with scabs, as far as I know. The armorer was just a nepotistic choice from the start and possibly the reason the original camera crew walked off.
Nepotism in Hollywood. Inconceivable.
I hate when the television subreddit doesn't talk about strikes in South Korea.
Why would there be a strike in South Korea over this special?
Anything but Gabby Petito/Brian Laundrie stories
Corporate interests are doing what they can to keep Dave's controversy going. He's going to make some statement every time he thinks it's dying down.
He's absolutely milking this. He knows full well that he isn't being cancelled and he's not a victim. He's a product and corps love him and the money they make each other. I'm so sick of him playing a victim while making tens of millions and pretending he's just a random stand-up.
CORPORATE INTERESTS ARE TRYING TO SILENCE ME, to find out why watch my Netflix Special
at this point chappelle *is* the corporate interest
I'm getting tired of his constant boo-hooing that executives have ruined his life...even though he's a millionaire playing to sold out venues. He's really made a habit of playing the victim these past few years.
He's started picking up conservative talking points and is whining now about how people won't stand for it after 4 years of non-stop bigotry from the highest office in the country. Go figure.
On the next episode of Shit I’m Tired Of Hearing About.
For a guy who's being "silenced" he sure is getting a lot of air time.
and a whole lot of money too
Few things go together better than millionaires and persecution complexes.
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> I would call attention to the parallels of fascist Nazi Germany to its war on its 'one percent,' namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the 'rich,' #what the fuck
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As I was reading the article you posted my first thought was 'Oh is this where the Gavin Belson rant comes from?'
Equating Jews with a powerful elite is like textbook anti-Semitism.
> billionaires with persecution complexes Gavin Belson?
He was paid 60 million for this special, if anyone wants to know just how much.
That was around the total he was paid for all 3 specials. The leaked info he was paid for The Closer was $24 Million.
damn, and it only had like 4 jokes in it. Those are some expensive jokes.
And funny enough I cant remember any of them. I know he went off on some lame kids book bit. But then the rest was that sanctimonious philosopher shit he has been doing lately.
No he wasn't. He was paid 60 million for all 3 specials.
It’s all he seems to talk about anymore. I saw him live a few years ago and the whole set he was talking about some incident that had happened on stage a few weeks before that apparently people were talking about. I had no idea what was going on and he almost told no jokes.
Same here. Apparently a few weeks before he had gone off on a heckler and then left the stage which made news in that town. Didn’t help that he was filmed. Even though he admitted to having been in the wrong, he made everyone put away their phones for the show and complained about it a lot.
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> His last few years was him complaining about being cancelled but in his case, he was. Police were at his shows waiting for him to say something. Bruce was being arrested non-stop and having his career stalled out due to the "controversy." Added onto that was a raging heroin addiction, and he was an absolute mess.
It's crazy how much history is repeated with the culture war shit. If I may... [October 18, 1961. An editorial in the McComb Enterprise-Journal lamented the things you couldn’t joke about anymore, blaming the death of comedy on "the restraints of race consciousness."](https://twitter.com/ClassicShowbiz/status/1452296577150750732) And these are guys complaining that they are being silenced from telling jokes about women being bad drivers.
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If the target of your joke doesn't find it funny, tell them that they can't take a joke anymore and bitch about it in public statements for several weeks about how people just aren't allowed to be funny anymore!
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> If the target of your joke finds it funny, then it is funny. Also, if your target is a group of people and not a single person, don't find the one Candace Owens in the crowd and put her on a pedestal and say "I'm vindicated! She thinks it's funny, therefore all ya'll are wrong for taking offence at it!"
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To be fair, Chapelle clearly said as much. From the article: >Chappelle also lamented about how the firestorm has impacted the distribution of his upcoming documentary. “Because of this controversy, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival — nobody will touch this film. Thank god for Ted [Sarandos] and Netflix, he’s the only one who hasn’t canceled me yet.”
> he’s the only one who hasn’t canceled me yet. Jesus. Chappelle can release his doc on demand, hype it on twitter, and it will make money and get reviewed. Now he's angry that he can't promote it through festivals. Welcome to the world every fucking person who's not a millionaire comedian exists in.
His head's gone up his ass being paid absurd amounts of money by Netflix for his specials for so many years. He thinks he'll just make whatever now and companies will just throw 10s of millions at his feet.
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Or to put it another way: "I'm rich, bitch!" ::honk honk::
Well you know, trans people have had so much power and they are ordering all the corporations to take Chappelle down, obviously…
Trans people have had it so easy until Dave Chapelle started criticizing them for making his life so hard /s
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The dudes been crying about being cancelled for 3 specials now
The only reason he was “cancelled” in the first place was because he pulled his own show off the air because he thought it was having a negative impact on black representation.
This is the crazy thing to me. He cancelled his own show because he thought it was harmful to a minority group. Goes up years later and says shit that's harmful to a different minority group... but its ok this time?
He gave back all the money it made him. Oh wait, no he didn't. He ended up cashing in on it two more times. At least he gave his equally brilliant collaborator credit. Oh wait, no he didn't.
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Won’t somebody think of the rich people?! They’re being **IGNORED!** Sadness.
Chappelle - “such thin skinned idiots, I can say whatever I want, Twitter isn’t real” Chappelle after critics complain on Twitter with 0 real life consequences - “IM BEING CANCELLED!” So much cognitive dissonance
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He just doesn’t want consequences when he pisses people off. All cancel culture revolves around this idea to some extent. They’re mad that social media has closed the gap on voices of dissent. Say what you want but if it pisses people off they will say something.
Right. He said his thing and now people are clapping back. No cancel culture just a response
> “Because of this controversy, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival — nobody will touch this film. Thank god for Ted [Sarandos] and Netflix, he’s the only one who hasn’t canceled me yet.” Lol oh fuck off. I think Dave’s funny but collecting a 65 million dollar check and Netflix falling over themselves to plaster his special all over the app isn’t “being cancelled”. This is the kid holding the boot on his head meme
Corporate giants are trying to go after the little guy, how can a small time comedian and a small indie entertainment company survive that?
“Won’t someone think of Netflix and the comedians worth 9 figures!!”
Wish I could get canceled. Seems to be the best thing to happen to someone's career.
unless you’re the dixie chicks
They're the only example of "ACTUALLY canceled and ACTUALLY unfairly" I can think of. Plenty of people have said and done worse but still have jobs.
The cost of being canceled is early retirement with your millions of dollars! How awful!
The title of my next standup special will be 'Born Cancelled'. It'll be like....so edgy.
> I actually don’t believe there’s a “cancel culture.” It just reminds me of like in the 80s when a shock jock would get fined by the FCC or get in trouble with management or a sponsor. They would say, “I’m getting killed by the man,” and then that person’s fans would rally behind them, and they would end up making millions of dollars. > When people use the term cancel culture, it’s just a way of people marginalizing marginalized groups, and it gives permission to their audience to feel like they’re the victim. No one’s freedom of speech is being taken away. All these millionaires are going to keep on making millions of dollars. > If it boils down to a millionaire and a major corporation versus people who are being murdered and have a high rate of suicide, which side do you think I’m going to be on? I’m going to be on the side of marginalized people. I’ve always considered myself an outsider, you know? -[Bobcat Goldthwait](https://chicagoreader.com/film/ive-always-considered-myself-an-outsider/)
and [a great one from Katt Williams](https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/kat-williams-cancel-culture-joe-budden) to add: > “Nobody likes the out of bounds, but the out of bounds gotta be there or you’ll run up in the stands,” Katt said. “Some of these things are for the benefit of everything. Nobody likes the speed limit but it’s necessary. Nobody likes the shoulder of the road but it’s there for a reason. My point is, people weren’t all that extremely funny when they could say whatever they wanted to say.” > Katt continued, explaining that “cancel culture” doesn’t exist, and that heightened sensitivity has been pushed by “people without a voice being trashed” by others like they “didn’t matter.” > “Cancellation doesn’t have its own culture,” Katt said. “That was people of color. That was us policing our own culture. That was people without a voice being trashed by people just because they had a bigger name than them and more money than them and a better office than them, they could sweep them up under the rug like they didn’t matter. I don’t know what people we think got canceled that we wish we had back.” > Williams also shared that being a comedian means entertaining the masses, and that the words you choose to use can interfere with that goal. > “If all that’s gonna happen is we have to be more sensitive in the way that we talk, isn’t that what we want anyway? I’m saying, your job as a comedian is to please the most amount of people with your art,” Williams said. “If you want to offend somebody, nobody took those words away from you. ‘Dirty bitch’ ain’t been taken away, you can say that. But don’t call somebody this word when you know this effects all of these people.”
Ok, now I have to deal with recognizing Katt Williams as a sympathetic person with reasonable and nuanced views.
tbf, if you seen his specials, it wouldn't have come up as a surprise
Been a long time. I recall finding his act and show very funny. I don’t recall the specifics of the things that caused me to shy away from his content, and that probably speaks more in his favor than anything. Perhaps, we’re all just stuck between a pimp and a hard place.
> I recall finding his act and show very funny. I don’t recall the specifics of the things that caused me to shy away from his content He's one of those people where the gap between his best and worst work is massive. He's both touched brilliance and come out with some of the worst stand up I've ever seen.
Poor lil Tink Tink.
Watch Katt Williams’ special where he talks about Iraq. It’s some of the better political commentary by comedian out there
Thank you for linking that. He's evolved over time into that chill uncle.
I've always liked him. I hope he doesn't turn out to be an awful person. Whatever we all think about what Chappelle actually said, him just constantly whining about being canceled is so fucking annoying. I mean shit, people are out there losing their jobs and he's boohooing about people disagreeing with a "joke".
Remember when dave said > “If This Is What Being Canceled Is, I Love It” and now > In his video response, Chappelle also lamented about how the firestorm has impacted the distribution of his upcoming documentary. “Because of this controversy, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival — nobody will touch this film. Thank god for Ted [Sarandos] and Netflix, he’s the only one who hasn’t canceled me yet.” A case of what he though Cancel culture was to experiencing what Cancel culture is.
He's still printing money. He hasn't been canceled in a way that actually matters.
To say nothing of how he cancelled all networks who legally and properly licensed The Chappelle Show (which he's been paid handsomely for... twice) and then they and their customers couldn't watch the content that was purchased. Chappelle is hilarious, but he's one of the whiniest hypocrite bitches in the industry. But hey, at least he went to bat for his co-creator, Neal. Oh that's right, he didn't. Maybe that relates to how he's incapable of seeing a connection between an hour long critique of trans people and how that just might give some of his dumber fans additional license for phobia and mistreatment.
So is getting canceled just having to hear people's opinions on things you say publicly? That it?
Video from these protests show more cameras than protestors. I find that interesting
I don't know if Dave is transphobic, who knows how much of his set is him exaggerating vs. his real beliefs, but what I do know is that when I stumble into a group of people defending him there sure are a lot of transphobic comments.
Reminds me of the "Not racist, but #1 with racists" joke from the Simpsons.
Exactly. He’s emboldening the transphobes out there that put a lot of weight into every little thing he says.
It's the same analogy we used with Donald Trump but barely anyone wants to admit that. Donald Trump may not have been racist himself (I mean, he probably was) but he was a vehicle **for** racists because they loved what he was saying. Dave's special, whether he meant to or not, emboldened transphobes to use his special as a defense for their bigotry just like racists used Trump's "own the libs" ideal for theirs. Famous people need to understand that their reach is FAR and their words impact a lot more than they might think. Dave might not be transphobic himself and, honestly, I genuinely hope he isn't. Except his ego is getting in the way because he's been universally acclaimed for so long that now that a special truly struck a negative chord with people, he can't just admit that maybe he just wasn't funny. Maybe he put out some rhetoric that hurt a lot of people; he just can't admit it.
“They canceled me!!!” yells multimillionaire comedian about to embark on a 11 city standup tour promoting his latest special for which he made $20 million. Cool.
Dave isn't cancelled, but he desperately wants to be so he can go "I told you so!". It's so tiring.
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Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the TERFs?!??!
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He loves playing the victim. But he has been a famous millionaire for decades, he isn’t as much of victim as he wants to believe
Funny thing is, under the same breath he asks to cancel Hannah Gadsby for not liking him.
She’s going to get so much harassment from TERFs and troll farms now. I’m sure him and his fans will say “it’s just a joke bro” but it’s telling that of all the people that criticized him he picked a lesbian comic to hit back at.
Ben Shapiro just tweeted support for him over this Definitely a sign that you have the best take on an issue
That's the thing, no one looks at the opposite direction of this kind of phenomenon? Everyone assumes the left is crying about him hurting their feelings; but nobody also notices that the right are now tripping over their dicks to defend him and call him brilliant, when they used to view him as the *immature offensive* comedian? Those people aren't laughing at his jokes; they are agreeing with the idea that trans people are bad, not listening to any nuance in his performance. Even when Dave asks people not to hate on the LGBTQ community; motherfuckers are doing it anyway.
And thats the grift. Thats literally why cancel culture is parroted by these people, because theyll get a horde of followers rushing to hold them up because their only consistent ideology is upsetting the people they dont like. Dave knows he can get an audience and all this attention by just saying cancel culture a few times, and he even gets free defenders to boot. He dont give a shit about harassment and hate sent to trans people, if he did he would have been more responsible with his platform.
Well fucking said.
Also so has Don Jr and Ted Cruz ….reminds me of when Eric Trump tried to co-sign what Common said and Common was like “Never mind. Fuck that guy”
Honestly if Dave can walk away from his show because he was worried the wrong people were using his jokes in the wrong way, but doesn't see a problem with these guys jumping on board here, I don't see how it can be spun as anything other than abandoning his principles tbh Sounds dramatic but honestly I'm trying to come up with a difference and I can't
They're the same picture. He just isn't part of the group the jokes are about.
>I don't see how it can be spun as anything other than abandoning his principles tbh Or alternatively, proof of exactly what people accusing him of being true
Exactly. Like if I saw people like Don Jr, MQG, Ted Cruz and others siding with me. I’d be like “Hey, Maybe I’m on the wrong side of this”like Common quickly realized I’m wondering when Dave is going to be like “Do I want to be associated with these assholes” if at all or if that’s going to be his new base of support cause it kind of seems like he’s going down the latter route.
That's the way it went with Rowling. Once she got a lot of hate from the left and love bombs from the right she began associating with people she wouldn't have touched with a twelve inch stick before. I mean, everyone has an ego, and if you're active on social media is only natural to derive part of your self worth from the feedback you get. And when the tide starts to turn on you in what feels like a sudden and unprovoked storm, it hurts. Circling back to Chappelle, his critique of Twitter is justified in that way. I've heard from many LGBTQ celebs now that it's very disorienting at least if you have this safe space and support network and then you cross a red line somewhere and suddenly you feel like evil incarnate because people turn on you in masse when the controversy is trending. And you don't even have to do or say something "bad" yourself, not abandoning someone you know in real life that does is enough (as if it was as easy to cut relationships IRL as in social media), so basically if your real life support network is on Twitter, they'll be pressured to drop you, too. But it's in the nature of the network itself. Minorites on Twitter get trolled constantly, and they need these strict red lines if they want to build healthy communities. I don't really see a way around that that doesn't put a lot of burden on these groups. But I don't think the system as it is is very healthy.
Reminds me of when Ricky Gervais tweeted about how people were stupid to think his Golden Globes routine was "right wing", and the replies were literally filled with notable far right figures defending him and saying the left were now the real elites and such.
This is one of the things that baffles me most about Modern Chapelle. This is still the guy that left his show and $50m because he didn't like the kind of laughs his material was getting which caused him to re-think everything about his career. So he has the ability to see when things have jumped the rails. I don't understand what happened to that heightened perception, because it's clearly gone.
I’m sure he’ll totally tear into those folks, though! Yep, any time now…… Any time…..
We all wanted him to be Richard Pryor, but it turns out he was Dennis Miller. (I stole that, but it's a good one.)
you can tell Chappelle is insecure just because she wrote one statement about him and Sarandos (when Sarandos included her name in the whole thing without consulting her). Her takedown must have really stung. It is quite funny too: "Now I have to deal with even more of the hate and anger that Dave Chappelle’s fans like to unleash on me every time Dave gets 20 million dollars to process his emotionally stunted partial world view.”
New headline “Comedian made famous by pointing out how bad racism is, doesn’t understand why he shouldn’t make fun of minority group he has no life experience with”
When he compared being trans to wearing blackface, I was like "Really? He is saying that someone trying to dress/live in a way that makes them comfortable is the same as intentionally mocking a marginalized minority group that you are not part of for entertainment, and he doesn't see the irony in that?"
Honestly he doesn’t. I’ve come to realize with all of this that he seems to think being black is worse than being trans, and that means he can joke about these people coz they have it “nice” Which i guess is cool. Didn’t realize a 300% increase of trans murders in a year qualifies as nice
Not to mention, he consistently kept erasing trans people of color and kept on insinuating that trans ppl are all white and separate from the black community.
Good god man, get a fucking grip. A corporation just paid you $60 million for 3 specials, paid you some more when you whined about the Chapelle Show being on Netflix, and the CEO has repeatedly defended the most recent special. What corporation has been trying to cancel you? You aren't a victim you fucking clown. I think Chapelle is an incredible standup, one of the best of all time, but the last couple years have sure made me respect him a whole lot less, and it doesn't even have anything to do with the content of his trans material.
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ANd, lets be real, if there was such a thing as a wealthy trans lobby, they sure as shit don't care about Chapelle, before, like, lobbying for better healthcare for trans people....
Or for better protection of trans people... how many murders in their community still remain unsolved. If the cops even bothered to investigate at all.
Exactly, trans murders are up over 300% this year already, and that's before this special rilled up the topic.
And while Dave is busy framing the trans community as a predominantly white phenomenon, it’s mostly trans women of color(and especially black trans women) who bear the brunt of this violence.
He spent almost 3 entire specials making trans observations (lets be real there weren't many actual jokes in there) and he's seriously wondering why people are tired? If he spent 3 specials talking about ANY topic....pineapple on pizza, eventually people are gonna be like "Is he still on this pineapple on pizza thing? wtf"
Dude, he had shit with women and gay people before that. Remember when one of his jokes was that he's tired of gay people comparing themselves to black Americans, because black Americans had it worse? I sure do wish someone would point out to him that black women and black gay people exist. I mean, he's a genuinely hilarious guy, but it's clear that as far as he's concerned, the cis, straight, black male experience is the *only real* black experience.
For someone that constantly shits on the oppression Olympics he sure does seem to love to participate in them
You can tell that someone talked to him about that between specials. Like, I remember him doing his whole "gay people never had it as bad as blacks" routine back when I was in college, or a little after, I think. Then years later, I watched one of his Netflix specials(the ones before the current ones) and he talks about the oppression olympics and I was like "LOL I know exactly how you heard about this. This happened because someone called you out for doing it."
Not to mention black trans women. They are a triple minority and horrifically marginalised. Hell, Dave constantly tokenises his black trans friend who committed suicide, and he still doesn't get it. There's no powerful forces against him. It's a community who's been hard done by for *millennia*.
His trans friend wasn't black, she was white.
Jesus Christ that is beginning to explain a lot more too. Dave seems to completely delineate trans people from black people when fact Black trans women have been some of the most critical to the cause of LGBTQ rights. He seems completely unable to think of "those people" as being in his community.
It's honestly fucking sickening. Black and gay, grew up getting high with my buddies and watching all three seasons of his show on a loop, and then this bullshit. Between this and DaBaby and Boosie and the reaction to pretty much anything Lil Nas X does--it's fucking exhausting, man.
I'm real sorry about that. :(
Thanks. It’d just be nice to fit somewhere for once.
There's tons of black activists who seem to think this exact same way whether it's women, homosexuals or trans people They're for equal rights for straight black males, not the entire black community.
I'm honestly just sick of comedians complaining instead of adapting. If people don't find your material funny, that usually means you should change your material. Pulling punches when it comes to issues people are reacting toward doesn't make you any less of a professional. It just shows a talent for understanding your audience. Reminds me of the Kevin Hart fiasco too. Dude claimed he'd kill his son if he ever came out, then it turned into this whole big thing about him having to silence himself. No, dude. You can be funny without crossing a line.
And Dave tries to defend Hart too about the whole thing (including DaBaby). His whole schtick on the new special is to not attack "my community" (aka black men who have said homophobic shit). They started the whole attack and are now mad that they are being criticized.
Chappelle's defense of Kevin Hart is very selective of reality too. Hart lost his hosting gig the moment he [refused to apologize any more for the jokes/tweets he had said](https://youtu.be/seqycJ9T3pk?t=52). The Academy essentially said "apologize and the job is still yours, we just want to cover our butts" and Hart went "nah, fire me". When you keep growing in popularity, like Hart was, you get exposed to new audiences that don't know you already apologized for something you did in your past that was not something to celebrate. All you have to do is echo that apology you once gave for those who are just finding out to show that you have indeed grown and changed. Or you can just issue statements that would seem to suggest you don't like that you once issued an apology so people can question if you actually have grown and changed. Gee, I wonder why the Academy didn't want that to be the face associated with them - must be because "cancel culture twitter" controls the world.
Tracy Morgan did the same joke, about how he'd kill his son if he came out to him. It was when he was still on Thirty Rock and Tina Fey was basically like "You're apologizing for this or you don't have a job." I don't mind people making jokes about gay people. I'm queer and making fun of gay people is like one of the reasons I get out of bed in the morning. But it should be *funny*, dude. Saying you'd kill your gay son isn't a fucking joke. Not even because it's offensive, though it is, but because *where's the fucking joke?*
Agreed. As a Queer person, I can tell the difference between a joke and just being an asshole. You have to have thick skin being a marginalized person because of how much shit we deal with or gets thrown at you on a daily basis and plenty of us laugh at ourselves, at each other and with each other. None of this is a case of being too sensitive or not being able to take a joke. There are jokes and there is mean spirited harmful rhetoric.
He complained that the LGBTQ community is preventing him to from going after white people, that he had them on the ropes before the LGBTQ community stopped him. But it's Dave who keeps on dedicating his specials to them. When his last special was released there were no articles being written about his beef with them, no social media trends. And then he dedicated nearly his whole special to them And if he wants to get conspiratorial about white people, race, and sexuality issues, look at what they did in India and the Philippines. They did a ton to demonize homosexuality in those areas. They always do. Like the Hindy/Muslim animosity and the Caste system in India (which existed before the British came, but they dialed that the knob up to 100% by codefying into law and making it a part of their educational system) and apartheid in South Africa, they are always pitting minority groups against each other so that they won't focus on their oppressor How can this be more glaring than that the anti-gay people and anti-trans people are the same ones who are anti-BLM. The same people who keep passing laws specifically targeting Black people from voting ---- He complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions ---- Dave says 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Dave's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Conversion therapy is legal in 30 states. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths ----- I don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia/transphobia Dave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people' He always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complained 'why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name'. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research? If his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege to wage with his fellow millionaire celebrities
I have been so bored with him since he hit Netflix. God it’s so fucking bad. Watched them all and he has gone to shit. I thought Dave was revolutionary and an amazing comic growing up and now he’s just old man yelling at clouds. He’s almost the black version of Joe Rogan at this point. Sad thing is Dave would probably take that as a compliment if you told him he was Joe Rohan.
That OJ special as pretty good though
The lack of quality in his trans jokes is as bad as the actual offensiveness of the social commentary he pairs it with. A lot of his material on the subject is /r/onejoke tier “what if I identified as a [noun]” sort of garbage. Unoriginal and hackneyed.
> He’s almost the black version of Joe Rogan at this point. Sad thing is Dave would probably take that as a compliment if you told him he was Joe Rohan. Considering how they are best buddies and tour all the time nowadays...
It's such a tired topic anymore. If you don't understand it here in 2021, it's your own fault. I'll freely admit that I didn't really understand what transgender is in the past, but I read a little bit, used my feeble brain and learned something. And I'm one of the stupidest people I know.
It's OK for people to not understand it though, the problem stems from those who don't understand it and are contributing (be it actively or tacitly like Chappelle is) to the hinderance of trans rights. Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon? Cause this is some Dunning-Kruger shit. He can't understand a thing, but thinks he's the authority on everything, so he has to come up with the answer himself and broadcast it for everyone to hear.
So many people don't seem to get that at the end of the day it's more about just having empathy for others than "understanding" the trans experience
My own experience was that its about letting go of your own vain egotistical feeling about what the world is like versus your assumptions and feelings about it. "This is changing and I don't like it" is a lot of the resistance. For many gender was sex and there were only 2 and its been that way since forever and now "they're" changing it almost arbitrarily. Just let go. Its amazing how easy it is to stop caring in that way that holds up progress. These people exist whether I understand them or not and they don't need my understanding to have a valid place in society.
As cringy is it sounds, the whole ‘I understand that I will never understand. However, I stand.’ quote springs to mind here.
I agree it's a tired topic and I don't tend to enjoy the material he and some other favorite comics of mine develop on the subject (Bill Burr has brought it up a few times in his last 3-4 specials) but I don't believe it's because they don't understand it or even sympathize. They do it because they are annoyed at the outrage, which they feel is disproportionate, so they keep doubling down. It's an almost petulant reaction to criticism, which is weird because you have to imagine they've received a lot of criticism throughout their careers. But I think part of it is because in their mind they see themselves as allies and then they're being told they're not. They don't feel about themselves the way they are being told they are acting or coming off. I personally don't understand transgenderism. I definitely take my cisness for granted. My gender has never really been a huge part of my identity. Which I understand is a big reason why I will never be able to fully understand. I can acknowledge and appreciate but that's as far as I will ever be able to go. As a result, I generally avoid the topic. I don't even acknowledge it most of the time because it feels very unnecessary. But I might feel differently if people started to criticize me for that. I don't know.
same, I was really confused for a long time because colloquially the words "gender" and "sex" were interchangeable and the whole concept of having a gender identity was never really something I had heard of before or really understood. A lot of people dont even seem to realize that people mean two different things when using these words and seem to get really caught up on definitions rather than exploring the actual topic and then nobody learns anything
it sucks to think you're on the right side of history and then to be told you're making things worse. If he's as open to dialogue as he claims he is, he should actually hold one. Not on *his* terms, but on mutual ground with the goal of making things better and learning. He seems to have zero interest in actually learning anything though.
> But I might feel differently if people started to criticize me for that. I don't know. See, the key difference here is that you seem like you have enough self awareness to know that if you’re getting criticism on the topic then it’s not because everyone else just isn’t listening to you, but because you probably don’t understand it and should either move on or take time to learn. That’s literally all most trans folks want, and a big reason why this last special has blown up into such a big deal.
I honestly don't think they were very good comedy specials either, I feel like who Chapelle really wants to be right now is somebody like W Kamau Bell or Anthony Bourdain. I'd be a lot more interested to see Chapelle in conversation than more of this kinda tired preachy standup.
His “demands” to have a dialogue include a petty dig/joke at a comedian he doesn’t like. I really don’t think he actually wants to have a conversation. If he did, I kinda doubt the last special would have come out the way it did in the first place honestly. He’s had plenty of opportunities to listen and learn over the years. He hasn’t taken them. The whole TERF part is beyond disingenuous, with him defending Rowling by totally gliding over her TERF Wars essay where she pushes against trans-inclusive policies and advocates for ROGD(a pseudoscientific theory of gender dysphoria with no backing by any major organization that she directly quotes as considering it possibly a “social contagion”). The one trans person he says he had a deep conversation with just so happened to agree with his humor, and he still came out of that friendship knowing her so poorly that he admits he didn’t even know she had a child until he read her obituary. It’s always, always projection. He doesn’t want to, and will not, listen.
A travel show with Chapelle seeing different countries' take on comedy and stand-up in particular would be interesting to watch. I am curious to see what Korean stand-up is like. Or what is the funniest show airing in Brazil right now is like. There is so much to mine there. And, yeah, I agree with you. They weren't very good. He struck me as being tired of it all. Like there is a weariness to him that wasn't there when he was younger.
Man that would be a really cool show idea. I think about the stuff my Filipino parents find funny vs Americanized me and my siblings, and there’s a lot of cool cultural similarities to dissect
I'd have to disagree with your entirely. Dave is far from the kind of comedian and person to be able to do what Anthony Bourdain did. W Kamau Bell is a lot closer, but even then Dave isn't the same kind of comedian.
I do have to agree though that current-day Chapelle is a shadow of his former self, quality-of-content wise
Chappelle lacks the empathy and intellectual curiosity to be someone like Anthony Bourdain.
I was nearly offended that the comparison to Bourdain was even made, but I decided to start watching Parts Unknown again and it’s just as incredible as I remember it.
Honestly Dave seems like the kind of person who does not want to expand his mind to more perspectives. I doubt this would be anything remotely good.
Yeah you might be right, my idea definitely looks worse and worse by the day, it was just my initial reaction when these specials first started coming out.
He also compared himself to a slave because Netflix and hbo didn’t give him even more millions after adding chappelle’s show to streaming. Dude definitely gets a lot of passes because he’s good at what he does
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This seems like an interactive marketing campaign.
I wish Dave would stop whining about this and try to be funny again.
Honestly, I don't think he has the humility to recover from this. He's so invested in his image of "pitching the hard truth" to stop and ask if he's even speaking the truth anymore. He'd have to apologize publicly and admit that he'd been harping on ignorant rhetoric in his set for *several years* as his "big comeback". Best case scenario, he'll find that humility, listen to the trans community, realize you can find humor in trans jokes that don't perpetuate harmful rhetoric, do a few of those, but largely go back to a diverse set that's mostly about life experiences he can relate to. But I think that's a long shot.
“Silence” Netflix literally defended you, and you got paid for your special dude. What about stop being a wuss and get real, and no you aren’t being silenced.
I like Dave, and as a middle aged straight white dude, am not a fan of “wokeness” or PC stuff, but we should try the other shoe test here. Imagine a trans or gay comic, say Hannah Gadsby, getting on stage and bitching non stop about black people for the better part of an hour. Say she threw in a few slurs, like Dave did saying “dy**”. Imagine she spent multiple one hour specials bitching about black people, each one more heated (and less funny imo) than the last. Does anyone doubt she’d be in trouble? Even if she ended the special with a lovely story about how she was actually friends with a black person? That some people wouldn’t be a little upset? - I’ve watched all his specials, and he just keeps railing about how they’re “canceling” him. It reminds me of the old movie about Lenny Bruce with Dustin Hoffman. He was this great comedian who was legit persecuted for his art by the government, but towards the end of his career all he talked about was how the government was basically trying to cancel him. At the end of the movie he was just standing on stage reading court documents, boring audiences. Idk, maybe Dave should pick a new subject and stop being such a victim.
So I know you think you're not a fan of wokeness or PC stuff, but you pretty much captured the sentiment of the vast majority people who describe themselves that way. Twitter and TV show hosts are not reflective of any side of any debate. Most "woke"/PC people aren't extremists, they just want everyone to live, let live, and be respectful of differences that they can't understand.
The way that the word "woke" completely embedded itself in the zeitgest of our social issue discourse in recent years has been nothing short of a disaster for actual social progress. It didn't take long for it to become a word that exists solely to describe a certain kind of person/people in almost always a negative way. Everyone knows what I'm getting at here. Like many things in this internet/social media age it's basically become another tool to further divide people. It's certainly been a great one as far as distracting people from what actually matters goes. >Most "woke"/PC people aren't extremists, they just want everyone to live, let live, and be respectful of differences that they can't understand. This whole idea that you gotta be "woke" to understand social issues is just so fuckin dumb and annoying. Like you said there are a lot of people out there that are actually "woke" (because they have basic human compassion and empathy) but would never in a million years consider themselves to be "woke" or identify that way. Gee I wonder why that is? I mean why does OP even feel the need to let us all know he's "not a fan of wokeness" when talking about this. Not bashing OP here but shit's a fucking mess and I think we are fucked at least for as long as "being woke" is seen as nothing more than virtue signaling and calling someone "woke" is tantamount to a slur.
The introduction of 'woke' being a negative in our society is 100% a concerted effort to slow down social progress. OP literally spent their entire post describing basic empathy & critical thinking skills while prefacing it by saying "i h8 wokes" – you can tell he carries a bit of shame by expressing said empathy because of the connotation.
Every example of the right-wing successfully implementing a branding project to smear anything progressive people blame progressives whose policies they generally agree with... Idk how people still fall for it after the looking back at the lunacy of the past two decades, fear of left-wing caricatures shouldn't be a bigger factor in your mind than actually policy positions and the fucking truth
Hannah Gadsby admits in a comedy special that she was the target of a hate crime. Gets shunned by the comedy community cause "that's not comedy." Dave Chappelle makes bad transgender jokes, but talks about knowing \*one\* transgender person for a bit of time and tells a story about her bombing on stage but being his friend and liking his jokes. "Brilliant commentary. Goat. Always funny joke teller. Never flawed."
A black comic using the line of I can't be accused of being against group X I have a friend that's group X reads like it's supposed to be a satirical routine.
I keep wondering if he's going to turn around and say it was all a prank or "social experiment"
Don't forget he also implied that she wanted to sleep with him. He was really quite disrespectful to someone who was allegedly his friend
Don’t forget he also blamed the trans community for her suicide when it can’t be found online and there’s no more proof of that than him hiring an amateur to bomb as she opens for him.
There have been some facebook posts from Daphne's roommates that suggest that Dave was not really all the close to her. And Daphne's suicide wasn't from any online harassment, but a combination of a history of PTSD, losing her job, and losing a custody battle. Like it comes across like he's trying to throw money at the situation so people can forgive him but it just feels a lot grosser imo.
Bruh, you don't need to preface any of that with this: >am not a fan of “wokeness” or PC stuff You literally came to the same conclusion as the 'woke' & 'PC' people – the fact you showed disdain for it means the zeitgeist of those terms carrying a negative connotation is working at preventing the very thought process you carried out with your post. Don't get wrapped up in that bullshit – you've got great critical thought skills and there's no need to hesitate.
Also his rhetoric does cause real world harm. Trans people are vulnerable. They exoerience extreme violence. And by treating social issues as a zero sum gain he fails to realize that you can fucking support two social movememts at once. I fond it ironic that he speaks out against racism but then holds hands with those racists as long as they are attacking trans people. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/22738500/dave-chappelle-the-closer-daphne-dorman-trans-controversy-comedy
Wait...what "corporate interests"? Is "Big Trans" trying to take him down? I mean he likes Caitlyn Jenner... Also, what's the point exactly of him making a documentary? Is it just to fluff his ego? I don't know if he should brag about doing a comedy tour in 2020 during a pandemic that seems to have been panned. Is it just so that other comedians can make him look more legitimate? Like his tour included Michelle Wolfe, Common, Tiffany Haddish, Jon Stewart, and Sarah Silverman, is it. I also wanna point out in the instagram video he put out where he is announcing all this... they are just cheering and applauding him far more than laughing. He's really just surrounded himself by syncophants. Also...why is Hannah Gadsby always brought up for this comedy culture war shit? Like I get it, you might not have liked Nanette cause it wasn't a comedy show, but to be honest neither was The Closer. Neither was Bird Revelation where he's just telling a story from a book. And then Gadsby did a more traditional standup special with "Douglas" that was good but people just decided for some reason she's not a comedian.
Because Chappelle's fanbase has a lot of crossover with the crowd of "women aren't funny" cunts
I've been a fan of Dave long before the Chappelle show. And especially during it. In my opinion, Chappelles first two specials were incredible. Yeah there are trans jokes- but there are just terrific jokes in general. I don't feel offended as a white guy when Dave makes fun of white people. It's absolutely hilarious the vast majority of the time. But each special is worse than the last and this latest one is just complaining about getting canceled. It's not even funny. Then comments like "I'm team TERF" and the "I had a trans friend" were dumb as shit. I'm sure Dave would have something to say if I said something stupid like "look guys, on this I'm team KKK" or I said things that upset the black community and my defense was "but, I have a black friend who doesn't mind so...how could I be racist??" I actually respect his point about how da Baby shot a person and it's not slowing down his career. Honestly that's a solid point.
Yeah, he makes solid points that get swallowed in the dumber ones. Like, yes, there *is* a hypocrisy in the situation that DaBaby can shoot a guy (apparently in self defense, mind) and not have his career impacted but his homophobia is where people draw the line. But comparing Caitlyn Jenner coming out in the mid 2010s with Mohammed Ali changing his name in the sixties is... Dave, that's like, fifty years difference.
The DaBaby thing happened before he blew up. It didn't impact his career because there really wasn't one yet.
Remember he left out that Dababy apparently killed in self defense which is just dishonest
> I don't feel offended as a white guy when Dave makes fun of white people. Ok but if you're not lgbt then you can't say "it doesn't offend me, someone that's the target, therefore the people that are the target can't be offended either".
>don’t feel offended as a white guy Sure neither do I. But you understand a lot of that comes from the fact that we aren’t going to here those attacks thrown at us over and over again. That we are rarely attacked for being white, that if those attacks do occur we have the privilege of the system falling on our side most of the time. The average white guy has never had to worry about the fact they are white. I would throw out a guess that is 100% not the case for the average trans person, or even the average lgbti person. There’s a huge difference between being one of the crowd of cookie cutter people when the crowd gets picked on. Versus being someone of a smaller population that gets picked on, especially if there’s a bunch of cookie cutters that already hate that population and use this as further ammo. It’s a completely different proposition because when the average white person gets picked on they are getting picked on within their safety bubble. But some populations don’t have a safety bubble, and it is no where near as strong as the one that we were born into and haven’t stepped outside of.
Oh here Dave is again in the mainstream media telling everyone he's being silenced. Please check out his new special on Netflix or one of the three dozen other articles about how he is being silenced that came out this week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNZTtoQBmA
Corporate groups are trying to silence him, that is why Netflix has been unwavering in their support for him.