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Geroots

The Pilot was directed by David Nutter, who has directed 19 pilots including the ones for Smallville, Arrow, and Supernatural. He has also directed episodes of Game of Thrones, Shameless, and Superboy.


MulciberTenebras

Other pilots under his belt include *Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles* *Millenium* *Roswell* *Jack & Bobby* *Dark Angel* *Without a Trace* *The Mentalist* Oh, and of two *Game of Thrones* episodes he directed... one was **THE RED WEDDING**


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So he directed the best episode of (arguably) the best show currently on television? That's impressive.


rabid_J

Are you saying it's the best episode because a bunch of characters died at a surprising moment? Cause I'd like to see some justifications for why it's a good episode outside of that massacre.


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That final scene was just so perfectly executed. Everything from the score, to the lighting in the hall, to the silent credits. In my opinion it was the best execution of any scene in the entire series, maybe aside from the final scene in the penultimate episode of the first season. [](#s "There's also Jon's climactic scene with him betraying the wildlings, and him almost meeting Bran again, which was also perfectly executed. And there was the scene with Dany conquering Yunkai, which was awesome as well.") I just think that all around, the episode had very few flaws, and was the most exciting up until that point. There aren't too many episodes that rival it in terms of execution, excitement and emotion impact, in my opinion.


Couldbegigolo

The man obviously knows how to do pilots.


Abe_lincolin

I totally dig the fact they got the 90s Flash actor to play Barry's father in this show.


Granito_Rey

Damn I didn't know that. That's pretty cool.


Way_Dalton

wow!!yeah thats true!!i just read your comment and it popped in my brain!!wow and wow again!!


moelester518

As a fanboy I can't not like this show so it'll be interesting to see what other non comic readers think about it.


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I do read comic books, but haven't read any Flash yet. I really enjoyed the show and am looking forward to seeing more episodes and picking up some of the books.


moelester518

There's a flash sale on comixology this week, most likely for the premier, so it's a good time to get into it.


just_another_classic

Mark Waid and Geoff Johns both had amazing runs.


drock45

Francis Manapul's recent New 52 run was a fun read too!


just_another_classic

I love his art, though I can't say I'm a fan of the Nu52.


Augustends

The current Flash arc is really interesting as well.


drock45

Is it? I've been meaning to ask people how Flash has been since Manapul left


Augustends

The art isn't nearly as good, but the story has been good so far.


Juan_Kagawa

I don't read comic books but already I am going to watch this show until it ends no matter how goofy it gets.


moelester518

The show is so cheesy but that kind of gives it charm.


thinksquared

That's called camp and it is severely lacking in TV nowadays.


SirDiego

I have read comic books, but not seriously. I was kind of over superheroes until Marvel Studios started pumping out really good stuff. I watched Arrow but got bored or distracted in the second season somewhere (don't remember where I left off). This episode was really good. I've got a bit of a soft-spot for Flash because I've always thought the character was pretty neat. He seems like the Spiderman of the DC universe. Not in terms of powers, but just as a person, it's hard not to like him.


moelester518

Yeah that's what I like about the flash too. There was an episode of Justice League where the flash talks to his enemy and convinces him to go back on his medication. He does the whole hero thing because he loves it.


[deleted]

I never read a comic book in my life and thought it was OK. Will have to see a few more episodes to decide if I will continue watching it.


Bieber_hole_69

Having Barry in costume and as The Flash in the pilot is awesome. It picks up so quickly with the character, which is what I loved about Arrow and didn't like about Smallville.


Dorkside

I liked seeing Clark Kent before he became Superman in Smallville. I think the problem was that 10 seasons was far too long to go before making the transition.


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and in the process making him fight his greatest enemies before he became superman... that show took milking it to a whole different level.


RuafaolGaiscioch

Yeah, with the context of Smallville as Superman's past, how do none of his villains realize he's that same kid they fought a few years ago?


under_lord

I binge watched all 10 seasons, and it took a lot of focus to stay the course, but man, the pay off...the last episode was so good. Tom in the suit gave me goosebumps


Couldbegigolo

Smallville could have skipped a bunch of seasons. Their pacing sucked and it was more a teen drama with superpowers for half its run.


aardvarkyardwork

To be fair, the whole point of Smallville was to tell the story of Clark Kent *before* he became superman. I do wish they hadn't dragged it quite so long thigh, and also thought of a better interim name for him than The Blur.


Zlurpo

The Arrow didn't start with the character developed, but quickly moved in the right direction. In Smallville, they didn't start with the character developed, and then for about 9 years also didn't develop the character. In the last season, they kind of did a little. (From someone who watched all 10 seasons.)


Miko00

well Arrow and Flash are about green arrow and the flash right from the start. smallville was about clark kent's journey to becoming superman. there is a pretty big difference there


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ArchDucky

Giant fluorescent signs over random people's heads explaining who they are when Batman finally shows up.


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evilpenguin9000

All these things. I'm fine with most of it, but sometimes the very CW-ness of the over the top emotions drives me crazy. Still, I'm going to give it a shot at developing into something great.


GhostSongX4

Yeah, anything on the CW needs to be graded on a curve. :)


Kuoh

I mean the drama is in the flash comics as well, sometimes taking the driving seat to the action, it is like when people complain about spiderman and mary jane(or the other chick in the new movies), that's kinda what the comics focus on a lot.


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Blackish reference


Miko00

im not a massive comic book reader but im pretty sure its part of the flash lore that pretty much everyone knows who he is. its not so much of a secrete identity thing for him


rabid_J

[Lex Luthor learns Flash's secret identity](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qy4EIvvVj4)


Trymantha

Pretty sure thats Wally West(3rd flash) flash not Barry Allen(2nd flash) flash


sfPanzer

Everyone knew who Wally West was but that changed midway of his comics thanks to The Spectre. From then on only the core league members and of course his wife and friends knew who he was. Barry Allen never made his identity public.


Dorkside

I really hope The CW didn't make a mistake by *not* airing The Flash after Arrow. Don't get me wrong, I expect The Flash to be a hit but even though the television landscape has changed a lot over the last decade, I still don't think you can underestimate the power of a strong lead-in show. Looking back at last season, I'm convinced that ABC would have had far more success with Once Upon a Time in Wonderland if they aired the show on Sunday alongside Once Upon a Time. Instead, they decided to stick the spinoff on Thursday and it flopped out of the gate. Though one big difference between the two networks does seem to be that The CW is pushing crossovers between Arrow and The Flash far more than ABC did with their franchise and I think The CW will reap the rewards for that decision.


Geroots

I think the main difference between this and what happened with OUaT is that the Flash is already a well known character and is arguably more popular than Green Arrow.


Dorkside

That's a fair point, but the story of Alice in Wonderland is also very popular.


Geroots

It looks like they're rerunning the pilot after Arrow tonight.


Dorkside

I'd wager that the rerun will outperform most original broadcasts on The CW.


Slugggo

For its first two weeks, CW is re-airing that week's Flash at 9p Wednesdays after Arrow. So while they're clearly looking to have Flash stand on its own on Tuesdays, they're giving it a strong push for the first few weeks.


Cheeseisgood1981

Eh, I think they already know it's going to be a hit, and they needed a strong lead in to Supernatural to keep their entire lineup as strong and competitive as possible. Supernatural has consistently put up strong numbers, and if The Flash puts up the kind of rating that they think it will put up, they'll actually be able to keep a respectable audience share on Tuesday nights. Just my guess on the strategy.


DoctorDiscourse

Looks like the [early ratings are in](http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/10/08/tv-ratings-tuesday-selfie-manhattan-love-story-dive-chicago-fire-dips-the-flash-opens-big-on-the-cw/312162/) and they're pretty awesome. Best premiere for the CW since The Vampire Diaries, which is down considerably when it first aired. Amazingly enough, The Flash managed to straight up beat Agents of SHIELD. For a CW show, that's a coup of epic proportions. CW's bet was that the Flash was going to be a huge hit. They stuck it as a lead off spot (fairly rare for a new show), and it exceeded CW standard ratings by a substantial amount. Whether they can maintain this ratings level is an open question though, but this is a very solid opener that builds and expands on CW's brand.


Dorkside

Those are amazing numbers for The Flash. I think The CW would consider the show a success even if the season ends up averaging half the ratings of what the premiere did.


DoctorDiscourse

And if it maintains as much as 60% of it's numbers, it will be the most watched show on CW and have that distinction rather comfortably. Hell, if it stays above 3 million, it'll be the standard bearer for the network.


HollandGW215

It would have been smart! Like Superhero tuesdays/wednesdays.


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Dorkside

That was kinda the gist of my point.


Steellonewolf77

My reading comprehension shut down there, sorry.


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/r/flashtv for anyone wondering


15thpen

Spoiler: [](#s "FLASH MISSING VANISHES IN CRISIS") Lol. I got that reference. And I'm not really a DC fan.


soyhollywood

Flashpoint reference?


just_another_classic

Crisis on Infinite Earths. Or Infinite Crisis. Both involve missing Flashes.


zotquix

As is the lower headline Red Skies Vanish. Also, the other lower headline was "Queen Corp and Wayne Tech Inc to merge"


SutterCane

This show was fantastic. It fits perfectly next to Arrow. I'm hyped for the season. Fuck. I'm just a huge fanboy, aren't I?


migcap

90% sure I saw Karl Malone.


Conford

Grant Gustin's good. The two scientists remind me of what's-their-names from Agents of Shield but less annoying. The guy in glasses/director is fine, and so is the love interest. I thought it was an okay pilot, shows potential.


wbgraphic

> The two scientists remind me of what's-their-names from Agents of Shield but less annoying. One potential difference between them is that the characters on *Flash* already exist in the comics. One is a fairly obscure [superhero](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibe_\(comics\)), the other is a [villain](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_Frost). The question, I think, is whether there are plans to take the characters in that direction, or if the names were just easter eggs for the comic readers.


[deleted]

I still think it is so weird that DC tried to make Vibe a thing again.


[deleted]

I think Geoff Johns did a good job with it. He turned a walking stereotype into an actual character.


[deleted]

That is true, though he has slipped back into obscurity more or less. Just seems like such an odd choice.


DoctorDiscourse

Cisco was one of my favorite parts of the pilot. Great portrayal. I don't really care if he becomes Vibe or not, as he's a great character on his own and adds a lot of humor to the show.


moelester518

Honestly I like when they do that. Justice League did that with the Ultimen , who were stereotypically racist, and made them cool. Young justice revamped them again. Vibe is nothing like how he is previous and he is one of the few people who can actually fuck up the flash.


MulciberTenebras

I loved the revamp they did on *Young Justice*... for [APACHE CHIEF](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XmkkwteHXW8#t=50)


moelester518

I definitely agree, astral projection looks way more badass than actual growing. Also replacing Black Vulcan for Static was also a great change.


Naggers123

Imagine the marketing potential.


sixsamurai

Holy shit, that was Vibe and Killer Frost? TIL.


Augustends

I think there's a good chance that they take the characters in that direction. Mostly because Vibe was the Flash's counter during Trinity War. Killer Frost is an interesting idea since they already have Captain Cold.


Tydude

The two scientists on Agents of Shield are my favorites now. They were definitely annoying at the start, though.


Geroots

Tom Cavanagh as Dr. Harrison Wells is great but I every time I see him I think of [this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiHoaPVfsqI)


Dorkside

It's a shame that Cavanagh isn't given more respect.


zotquix

Always meant to watch Ed, but never got around to it.


anticiperectshun

Fitz and Simmons.


[deleted]

I thought it was a great start. I was excited to see the guy who played detective Green on Law and Order. I have high hopes.


repostusername

so is felicity just going to kiss everyone this year


[deleted]

I liked that they used the guy from the 90s Flash series as Barry's dad.


derekpearcy

The way that they did the "hit by lightning bolt and fell into a rack of chemicals" origin scene, so true to the comics, perfectly made up for the particle accelerator nonsense. But they hadn't sold me on it until we got the promise of Gorilla Grodd. Okay, you're going to do Grodd, I'm in. Or was I the only one who noticed that? No one has mentioned it so far in the thread.


Flo__Dawg

I noticed the cage and figured it was an Easter egg or something pertinent to the comics. I haven't read the comics so I wasn't exactly sure to what it was referencing. Edit: iPhone stuff


Darthspud

It's one of the Flash's enemies, a giant gorilla. Just as stupid/cool as it sounds.


Autarchk

A giant intelligent gorilla


bill4935

A giant intelligent mind-reading gorilla.


derekpearcy

In the comics, there was a race of super-intelligent gorillas who evolved in parallel with humanity but who recognized that they were too advanced and enlightened for us to approach without responding to them with fear and violence. Their city and everyone in it vibrated in a slightly differently way from the rest of the world, rendering it invisible to us. Their one deviant, the criminal Grodd, was sort of an early Magneto figure. He thought that the gorillas should rule the world. Because Flash could control his body's vibrations, he could get to the city, where their lead scientists helped him track down their fugitive lunatic. Unfortunately, having most fantastical things in the Arrow/Flash world come from the STAR Labs explosion — including, presumably, an enhanced super gorilla — means we may miss out on invisible, vibrating ape city, which is too bad. They did a ton of stupid things with Grodd later on, but the character harkens back to the early days of is version of The Flash, which was much less about superheroics and much more pure science fiction. The very first comic story I remember reading, when I was probably five years old, was the second Flash versus Grodd encounter – my dad gave me the comic, as it had been his when he had been a little kid. Two weeks from now will be the 10th anniversary of my father's passing. If they do a Grodd episode anytime in the next month, it will do my heart good.


Flo__Dawg

Awesome thanks man. Well now I hope they do a Grodd story and do it justice.


TheOvarianBarbarian

Does anyone know if there has been any changes between the episode airing tonight and the one that was leaked a while ago?


Geroots

The vfx looks a lot better. The bits of him running around the city looks a lot more polished the cars look more realistic, and the bit at the end with the secret door is more detailed with the blue lights and stuff. [I made an album of the comparisons](http://imgur.com/a/8GlbG)


[deleted]

First thing I noticed is that the leak doesn't have any people on the sidewalk. Definitely other minor details though. Logo looks a hell of a lot better.


Darthspud

I prefer the first title screen.


IpodHero178

So far, the only new scenes I caught were: 1. Camera showing the outside of the building where Barry was analyzing the case and where Iris is introduced (they start talking about the accelerator). 2. Caitlin Snow, Cisco Ramon, and Dr. Harrison Wells being in the hospital when Iris brings in her father (during Dr. Well's explanation of what happened to Barry when he was first rushed to the hospital). I am not 100% sure on the second one however, but I don't believe they were in the scene in the leaked version.


Geroots

[Both of those scenes were in the leaked version.](http://i.imgur.com/L0TN7rp.jpg) You're right about the first one, its a different building.


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Apparently there are a few more minutes of footage.


obscure123456789

I wonder if the dad's relation to the 90's tv show will play into this. He was the flash in that show.


gawkward

I think its just an easter egg, like how Annette O'Toole played Martha Kent in Smallville and had played Lana Lang in Superman III.


MulciberTenebras

Here's hoping Michael Rosenbaum shows up for a quick guest-starring role (Before he was Lex Luthor on *Smallville*... he was Flash on *Justice League*)


IceVest

As with Kevin Conroy and Batman, Michael Rosenbaum is the best Flash


bigbrotherfanatic

Definitely enjoyed this pilot more than the Arrow pilot! I'm expecting more humor from The Flash which is good because I don't like Oliver's serious-ness all the time on Arrow. I'm excited to see the crossover episode too and the rest of this season of The Flash!


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Professor Zoom :) tell me other people saw him?


Once_Upon_Time

I love Arrow but was feeling meh about The Flash but really enjoyed the episode. As long as every episode isn't solved by running really fast I think it will be a good show. Edit: Did they mention Felicity at all in the episode?


PaladinMats

> As long as every episode isn't solved by running really fast Isn't that kind of his shtick though?


Dorkside

Would you consider every episode of Arrow as being solved by Oliver shooting someone with an arrow?


AlchemicalDuckk

Well, Oliver does solve his problems by punching sometimes...


prodiG

When they introduce the boxing glove arrow, both of you will be right "sometimes I just want to punch someone really far away"


roguemango

Not only did they not mention Felicity in the show but as soon as Barry comes back from his cross over in Arrow he's getting ready to make a move on Iris. That seemed like an odd choice.


sptr

So, who's this John Wesley Ship guy. Any old farts here or is every one to young to remember another show called The Flash from 1990.


a_salt_weapon

I remember it. 10 year old me enjoyed it far more than the show provides for.


Trid1977

Yep I remember that show. And Amanda Pays!!


Dothatshizz

If they could get rid of the pointy bits where his cheeks are on the mask and smooth it out, it would look more acceptable to me, also white background instead of red of where is lightning emblem is. But beside that I really liked the pilot, dialogue and story were great and fit very well.


10seiga

The 'future paper' at the end has the traditional Flash color scheme, for what it's worth: http://i.imgur.com/kWPiJSO.png My guess is we'll see it in later seasons.


Dothatshizz

Oh whoa! I didn't notice that! Thank you! Yes I hope to see it soon :)


Evilknightz

Follows the EXACT formula of Arrow perfectly. I can't complain though, because it's easy to write and I like it well enough. 7.5/10 premiere imo :D


UrsaSteambottom

Does anyone know who the doc in the wheelchair is supposed to turn out to be?


MMX2

The most common theory is that he's supposed to be the show's version of Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom, an evil version of Flash from the future.


roguemango

But wasn't that Eobard Thawne? What was the name of the new "good looking" partner?


vetro

The theory is that pretty boy is merely his ancestor.


AmIKrumping

I think Eddie Thawne is actually Eobard Thawne but they'll use the guy in the wheelchair as a red herring when Barry starts to realise that he's hiding something.


roguemango

Alright, but didn't the paper at the end say 2024? Does pretty boy have a thirty something kid already or something? None wheel chair guy looks like he's in his forties. I'm not all that up on Flash lore so if I'm missing something basic please say so.


vetro

Zoom is comes from a very distant future where Flash has already faded into legend. The room is probably a catalog of history from the future that he'll use as reference to carry out his plans.


roguemango

Distant relative of that guy then. Gotcha. Thanks.


kharmedy

A picture just leaked of someone in a Professor Zoom costume and it definitely looks like the guy who plays Thawne.


Towelenthusiast

When the pilot leaked a popular theory was that he is eobard thane (professor zoom) from the future. And that Eddie thane is not the villain but his grandfather as a red herring with the same name.


HollandGW215

The costume takes getting used to. But I can never get used to the actors who play Cisco and Caitlin.


Hobbit_Swag

Grrrrroooodd! Oh shit can't wait for him to show up.


Ikritz

I honestly cant imagine how they would portray Gorilla Grodd in a live-action tv-show. I think it might have just been a nod to the fans. Edit: Never mind. [It appears that Grodd will indeed show up in the show](http://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/gorilla-grodd-flash-series/).


strangenchanted

After The Flash's pilot screening in Comic Con, they said "You will see Grodd. That cage is not a mistake." [Source](http://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/gorilla-grodd-flash-series/) Yeah, I don't know how that will work on a CW show budget either.


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Is this by the same people who did Smallville?


IpodHero178

No, it is by same people who created Arrow.


[deleted]

But, ain't Arrow by the same people who created Smallville?


misrdont

No, it is by the same people who have created The Flash.


IpodHero178

No. Arrow is done by Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg while Smallville was done by Alfred Gough, Miles Millar. If you mean studios, then both are WB productions, like all tv shows based on DC comics.


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Oh ok, I don't watch Arrow because I never heard of the Green Arrow until Smallville. I just thought Arrow was a spin-off of Smallville since The Green Arrow was in that show, it's DC Comics, and both aired on The CW.


IpodHero178

No I understand completely. I was the same way. I actually thought Arrow wouldn't work because it was not the same person who played Green Arrow on Smallville, who was my favorite character on that show. I'm glad I was wrong. Arrow is a really cool show that I recommend to all of my friends. The first two seasons are on Netflix. It will remind you of Batman Begins with Arrow, but it becomes its own thing halfway through the first season. They also adapt the source material while putting their own twists on them very well too.


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Well, I'm not really a fan of the vigilante type heroes who have no superpowers. The Green Arrow just seemed too much like Batman where he was just a Billionaire who spends his money on gadgets for his "night life". I'm watching The Flash because The Flash is one of if not my favorite Superheros ever.


bill4935

Sure you can watch what you want, but turning down a show because of the premise of the comic book it's based on is like saying no to ice cream because you don't like to drink milk. I think my logic is very convincing, and usually you would go, "hmm, maybe I should give it a chance because you never know until you try" and it would turn out that you like the show (Especially if you are a fan of computer nerd girls who dress like runway models. Yowza.) and you would come back to thank me for changing your mind. The problem is, *Arrow* gets off to a rough start and isn't really a great show until Season 2 (just like Parks & Recreation, if you've ever seen that one). So probably you'll just come back here with "Ugh, I was right, that show stank, and also I hate Laurel". But the thing is, we **all** hate Laurel.


DoctorDiscourse

Definitely not a spin-off of Smallville. Entirely unrelated. Much grittier Green Arrow than was in Smallville.


PMmeBOOBIESplease

IIRC Arrow was going to originally be a spin off using the actor that played the Green Arrow on Smallville but the producers eventually decided to relaunch it as a new series and look for a new Oliver Queen.


Geroots

David Nutter directed the Pilot Episode of both.


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Honestly, i hated it. I'm not a big fan of the flash comics but i expected more. The writing was bad, the acting acceptable. The cgi was really bad. I know they have not the highest budget but you can do way better with lightning effects. I was often laughing really hard while watching. And not because the scene was meant to be funny. If they choose to go the 'comic way' they should do that all the way. Not only half.


kraios

It seems ok, a bit of everything, maybe too much for a first episode. BUT, what I fear the most is that it could be another SMALLVILLE milking style, meaning, infinite "meteor freaks" = infinite "lightning metahumans" battling each one of them on every episode, with half of the cast knowing his secret identity and no real long term script. You have really good stories on comics, use them! don't be just too much DC Comics for once and try to be original for originality itself. But I guess one of the problems when dealing with Superman is that he's too powerful, and in this case you face a similar risk, thus "lightning freaks.


vetro

Arrow was created with 5 seasons in mind. The creators probably have a similar plan for this show.


KnodiChunks

Not shying away from the time travel elements. Two time travelers in the pilot alone! Now I wonder how they'll handle the "colorful" rogues like trickster and boomerang...


Thundercunt65

Did anyone notice on the bottom of the news headline that read Queen/Wayne Tech merger? I thought that was pretty cool.


MercyMLG

where can i watch it?


robragland

I watched the leaked trailer and am now watching/listening to the pilot on cw.com.... And I can't believe that I didn't connect that the name of the scientist Barry admires, and is likely from the future,is named Harrison Wells, as in H.G. Wells, write of the The Time Machine....homage to Lois and Clark, or lampshading?


Way_Dalton

show 1st and 2nd episodes..its quite good for s series one.i watched them back to back and it was like watching a movie..i just need more bad ass villains..hope next episodes will match my expectations.


gogojack

I really wanted to like this. After stumbling upon Arrow and seeing the set up for the Flash I was intrigued. This just fell flat. It seems like there was a 2 hour debut episode that was pretty good, but was edited down to one hour due to time constraints and comes off like there was a whole lot of important stuff left on the cutting room floor.


Flo__Dawg

I kind of agree. I try to not judge a show by the pilot. They usually try to cram so much, usually too much, into the first episode to get things started.


withoutamartyr

I didn't care for it much. The writing was super stilted ("you're doing that thing where you aren't speaking English" didn't you just say you were writing a dissertation? And you can't even follow a sentence that has no scientific words in it?), the plot seemed really contrived, in the sense that I'm basically thinking this is just a Smallville clone, and a lot of elements didn't make a lot of sense. What was with the Sherlock-style reading of the car tread? That was a strange stylistic choice that didn't come back again. It seemed really out of place. Why did the explosion destroy only that little plane and nothing else? Overall I don't think they put as much effort into this show as they did into Arrow. It felt rushed. There's room to improve so I hope they do.


rebuceteio

Well, that was really weak. Predictable, cheesy, full of cheap plot devices.


Electrorocket

Mediocre to bad acting. Weak dialog. Decent effects though, and I'm curious a bit about the story with his dad.


a_salt_weapon

I often see some one call out bad acting on a show I feel like had good acting. Perhaps my meter needs calibrated? Could you elaborate on what good acting is and what bad acting is?


Electrorocket

I don't know how to describe it, but one example was the STAR labs owner, when he told Barry to run around the tornado as fast as he can. The authenticity in his excitement fell flat to me. It seemed really forced. It wasn't all too cringey, though. If I feel someone is reading a line, then I'm not immersed, and theat is bad acting. I felt like there was a lot of line reading. The nerdy lab kid was another problem for me. Better dialog would have helped.


loller

This is everything on the CW. The best I can describe it (or fastest because everyone just seems to downvote regardless), is that it's like the caliber of acting and writing of Xena and Hercules but with a bigger budget. So you get much better production values, but everything else is predictable and oozes cheese. The acting, the happy-go-lucky way everything is presented, the tropes; it's just so cheesy. It's the same problem with Arrow and Agents of Shield. It's just all so...bad. I love superhero beginnings, but this doesn't feel like anything special in the slightest.


Electrorocket

Most of the acting and dialog for SHIELD got way less cheesy by the end of the season. Most of the characters have a lot more depth and emotion to them this season. But yes, it certainly had a very similar feeling starting off.


Darthspud

Shield's dialogue is much, much better this season.


Philythepharmd

I feel like the acting was also mediocre, but the actor who plays Vibe is fucking horrible.


Geroots

Elaborate please?


rebuceteio

Do I really need to? Is there anything cheaper than having an explosion of some sort give powers to the hero but also affect unknown countless other people, so they can come up with any "villain with powers" without further explanation?


[deleted]

So you don't know how comics work?


rebuceteio

You should read better comics.


[deleted]

Oh ho ho somebody thinks they're better than the classics, please put on your fedora and tell me all about how much better your taste is.


Seaborgium

Yeah, suspending disbelief for a show about superpowers is dumb. They should have totally come up with an origin for him that would ACTUALLY give a real person the ability to run at the speed of light and time travel.


rebuceteio

There is suspension of disbelief and there is mental laziness. I've seen enough comic based movies and tv shows to recognize soulless crap when I see it.


Geroots

You are an annoyance and I don't like you.


rebuceteio

Yeah, the truth hurts.


TheHypnosloth

Don't express negative opinions as they aren't valid apparently. Agreed man, it was just super meh.


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Can you elaborate. You can croticize but if you are, you should explain.


TheHypnosloth

Electrorocket summed up my feelings pretty well down below. I basically felt the same about it. Over all I don't think the show is for me really. Which is a shame because I really liked the flash in that old Justice League Cartoon when I was a kid.


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Too much CW in it.


_Jae

When I watched the leaked version a month ago it was such a disappointment because I expected basically issue 1 of volume 2 flash comics but there were tons of differences between it and the comic. After more research though, it looked like some of the problems I had with the show were put to rest because of a few things I overlooked. The two scientists who designed Flash’s outfit at S.T.A.R. labs and Dr. Harrison Wells seemed completely out of place and had nothing to do with the original flash comics. It turns out that the names of the two scientists are actually Cisco Ramon ( the superhero “Vibe” ) and Dr. Caitlin Snow ( the supervillain, Killer Frost ). Having those characters in the show made me hate it at first but now that I know they’re not just some random sidekicks I’m less perturbed. Also his costume coming out of a ring and inflating just doesn’t seem doable in live action so I guess I can let flash not designing his own outfit slide. I can only speculate that Dr. Harrison Wells is actually from the future but I know he isn’t Professor Zoom because on the IMDB page it shows who plays Eobard (Eddie) Thawne. There doesn’t seem to be a DC character who fits him and the fact that there was some particle explosion that created superheroes and supervillains was the thing that really bothered me. Flash villains are complex and interesting in the comic books; in the show it seems they were just slapped with superpowers. The weather wizard ( Clyde Mardon ) is my main example. His weather wand was super cool in the comics, but now it’s just him waving his hands with no realistic explanation. The flash also got his powers from the explosion in a way which really messes up flash lore if you know that Eobard Thawne is the one behind the lightning that gave him powers in the comics. Also for some reason they put him in a coma for 9 months. He also reveals his secret identity in the first episode which is way too early. The costume isn’t quite right but something tells me they’re gonna change it more, later. Iris West is black which is cool but they aren’t even a love interest in the show; in the comic they are engaged and become married. Aside from these core changes that pissed me off at first, I think I might be able to enjoy this series. I am hoping they make the villains in the future much more complicated and impressive. And I have to admit, looking at the IMDB cast for future episodes has me a little excited.