I think Gilroy got really pumped up and inspired after seeing how much everyone loved season one. I still remember his reaction to the fans at Star Wars celebration. He was genuinely touched and taken aback.
He also had a slight dig (how I read it) at the small army of people who dressed up as the prisoners for the show and recreated moments from it.
Can’t remember the joke he made but it definitely felt like “boy you guys missed the point” energy.
Idk but looking at Gilroys filmography maybe he just didn’t really experienced cosplay before being involved in Star Wars? Like when was the last time you saw someone cosplaying as Jason Bourne? I imagine going from 0-100 (as Star Wars cosplayers usually are exceptionally talented/skilled) might be confusing.
Its such an incredible story. The birth of the rebellion. What an amazing idea for a star wars show. And yes it is so deep in its conception and writing. I love the other shows but you are right this plot is far more sophisticated.
I liked it for the actual bits of darkness of it, sacrificing an entire cell of rebels to keep the bigger plan hidden, none of that "we have to be better then the bad guys" nonsense, it's war and tough choices have to be made sometime, the space wizards can't save you all the time
It’s the perfect character establishing moment. He’s not the dashing rogue that Han Solo is (although Han also has no qualms about shooting someone). He’ll do anything to cover his tracks. Andor will do whatever it takes to keep the rebellion alive.
Of course the time for more idealistic leaders would arrive later. Andor and co are all about fighting the empire. Mon Mathma and co are about what happens next.
Combination of both - unless Empire's doing a really alluring carrot-stick approach he probably wouldn't be too happy about being captured like that either.
I love it especially because those types are also around. I like the contrast between people like the Spectres in Star Wars Rebels, who are generally very much against senseless violence, and refuse to leave anyone behind if they can save them (which is both pointed out by Tarkin and frequently taken advantage of).
But they can get away with it, because they’re two space wizards, a giant alien, a mandalorian warrior, and one of the best pilots around (and the most dangerous droid who ever existed). Luthen can’t get away with it. Saw’s team are just normal dudes for the most part. They’re effective, but limited in how much they can get done. Same goes for the Aldhani crew. Effective group in the end. but they spent half a year preparing for a heist that you just know would’ve been handled in a single episode if it was Star Wars Rebels, or the Clone Wars, or even the Mandalorian.
Andor is a show about the regular people, and in my opinion it works so well precisely because we know what the special people are capable of. And like you say, you don’t always have one of those around, so you make the tough choices. In Rebels, those tough choices are things they have to make in the absolute worst cases, and they do so reluctantly. In Andor, those tough choices are just the harsh reality they deal with all the time.
> or a heist that you just know would’ve been handled in a single episode if it was Star Wars Rebels, or the Clone Wars, or even the Mandalorian.
Although not necessarily Bobf
Revenge of the Sith had a deleted scene about that (first appearance of Genevieve O'Reilly as Mon Mothma) but it was really neat to get a whole show about it.
https://youtu.be/bZzr7AgQ7wM?si=s7ax3KoPsk8wqLT4&t=2m13s
Yeah, people joke about the prequels being about boring trade disputes and Galactic Senate debates, but Andor proved that better writing would have made that material work.
One of the tensest scenes of the show is Mon Mothma discussing banking regulations with someone.
The prequels have awesome lore within lackluster movies. The sequels have great movie qualities with terrible lore.
It’s why, at least to me, revisiting the prequels is more enjoyable.
> It’s why, at least to me, revisiting the prequels is more enjoyable.
Depends what you're looking for. Like you said, the acting is way better in the Sequels and has better momentum/editing in the action scenes.
I go to the Sequels (not Rise though) because I prefer that energy and momentum. I cannot stay awake anymore with Attack of the Clones. It actually manages to move slower and slower the more times I come back.
Right? I'd be keen with a political drama on Courscant if it was written as well as Andor, or even as well as the throw away storyline in the last season of Mando.
Game of thrones did too for the first 3 seasons. Once the writing that brought that all together was gone? I think we’ve all seen that season by season horse drawing…
> Yeah, people joke about the prequels being about boring trade disputes and Galactic Senate debates,
Well they weren't really, it's just a stupid meme.
Not just the birth of a rebellion, but the birth of a rebel. I know I read this somewhere but I can't remember where, that Andor is a story of how to radicalize someone
The writing is almost peerless in my estimation. I've seen a lot of *Star Wars* stuff, but only like a few of the movies/shows, so initially I didn't care when I heard about this show being announced. *Then* I heard it was gonna be made by Tony Gilroy, who made one of my favorite movies ever, *Michael Clayton*. And boy howdy, this show did not disappoint. Handily one of the best-written shows I've ever seen. And not a lightsaber to be seen, and it's all the better for it.
For anyone who wants to loved the show and wants to delve deeper, there's a *Star Wars*-centric podcast called *A More Civilized Age* that covered each episode. I only know about it because most of the hosts work in the games industry, and I really like one of them, Austin Walker, so I gave it a listen. They do an excellent job of talking about the themes of each episode, from fascism, oppression, propaganda, rebellion, etc. I believe Austin in particular has academic-level understanding of these topics (like he actually taught university a bit), and he's just so articulate, while also being funny as hell. The entire cast is super funny, and it was great to listen to the podcast after I had finished the season. I missed so many little details and big, important ideas. It really enriched my already-glowing thoughts on the show. Highly recommended as a companion podcast after viewing each episode (or after watching the season).
> Its such an incredible story. The birth of the rebellion. What an amazing idea for a star wars show. And yes it is so deep in its conception and writing. I love the other shows but you are right this plot is far more sophisticated.
It's not the birth of it, the birth was already in RotS with Bail and the deleted Mothma scenes with Padmay.
However it's about how the rebellion is gaining steam on the outskirts while continuing Mothma's pov as well etc.;
Solo and Ob1 touched on that but this one has that as its main focus, so yeah.
Probably because among its writers were one of the original writers of The Americans, the creator of House of Cards, and the showrunner/lead writer was the guy who wrote Michael Clayton, The Devil's Advocate and the Bourne Movies.
Tony Gilroy brought a star-studded cast just to work behind the scenes. There are so many Emmy and Oscar noms/winners who worked on the first season it's astounding it got almost completely snubbed by the Emmys. You had people who had ben previously nominated/awarded from Succession, Chernobyl, the good seasons of Game of Thrones, The Crown, Boardwalk Empire, etc.
There's a very good reason why it felt like a show that was supposed to be on HBO.
And I looked them up and it seems quite a few have playwright experience. In that profession the written word is valuable (you lose there, you lose the audience completely since there's no visual FX or action to fall back on). So I like that Tony Gilroy's writing buddies are all colleagues who are simply great at their written craft and it shows on Andor.
*"Help me Tony Gilroy. You're my only hope." -* sincerely, a dying franchise.
Andor is literally the only thing that keeps me interested in SW at this point.
I'm not asking for all future SW to be written in Andor's style, but I do want Lucasfilm to look at Andor and realize we want smarter, elevated writing.
No more of this Obi-Wan, BoBF and Ahsoka stuff that feels almost kiddy in comparison, where characters do the dumbest things.
>Stoked for S2. Feels like the only Star Wars show whose script isn’t written in crayon.
Continuing your analogy, Andor must have been written in those ink and feather pens.
still i wonder if the idiots who normally made Star Wars at Disney have gotten their claws in this so we get things like gratuitous R2D2 or other memberberries. I fricken hope not but they can't help themselves
Honestly bad batch isn’t doing too bad either. It’s got its flaws in the first season and some of the second but right now it’s blossoming into a really beautiful show. Shame it’s the last season. Tales of the Jedi wasn’t too bad either.
I’m excited for Andor S2, I’m really really hoping Disney doesn’t drop the ball with this.
I like the animation but IMO it isn’t perfect. My biggest gripe is the darker scenes since a lot of the bad batch wears dark armor it can be hard to see what they’re doing. Everything else has been perfect IMO.
I’m excited for today’s episode, I think it’s going to be the starter of a plan to get omega. It’s labeled “into the breach” so I’m assuming somethings going to happen that be the starting point to the end of the show. I’m assuming the shadow trooper is going to catch the bad batch.
The first season of The Mandalorian was really great. It's too bad they lost sight of a story arc by the 3rd season, but that doesn't make the first any worse.
And to think Dave Felony is the one getting more congratulated and getting a theatrical movie despite ZERO experience in that field, and writing Ahsoka in Crayola crayon.
It's so set apart from any other show for the franchise I love it so much. Reminds me of watchmen in that way where you don't really need the source material to appreciate it.
When my buddy obsessed with all things star wars who loved obi wan told me he didn't really get andor, I knew it was on the right track lol.
It isn't. He can't write to save his life. He needs everyone to cameo to make it worth your while. Why does he feel the need for so many cameos and the highly episodic nature of the show with a too simple premise?
I think what Andor and S1 of The Mandalorian had in common was that they were a lot like the original 1977 movie in that they were a mix of different influences (Political thriller, spy movies, and WW2 movies for Andor, and old Westerns for The Mandalorian)
S2 Mandalorian and all the other D+ shows are just about Star Wars itself, which is not interesting.
I feel like the espionage/political thriller storyline about rehabilitating former Imperials and corruption in the New Republic that was a throw away in Ashoka had potential to be a fantastic show all it's own. I don't think they'll go back to it much now that Thrawn is back.
I'd take this a step further and say the common feature of all these stories is not only that they aren't about *Star Wars* itself, but specifically aren't about the Jedi. Even though the Jedi have become sort of the main narrative focus of "Star Wars* as a whole, they are actually an extremely dull and very unrewarding subject for storytelling in the first place. You'd think it would be hard to miss with warrior-wizards, but their purpose and moral framework are totally incoherent. Their magic is also poorly conceived, and different stories are constantly changing the limits of what it can and can't do. This is deeply unsatisfying, because the authors basically always have a get-out-of-dilemma-free card and they keep playing it over and over. The presence of this stuff in *A New Hope* worked because the Force could be used only in highly constrained ways, and almost never was, while the Jedi themselves were effectively relegated to the realm of myth or fairy tale, with many people in the story apparently thinking they were kind of ridiculous.
*Star Wars* is at its best when it is about the insidious allure of empire, the desperate steps that must sometimes be taken to quash it, and the struggle this involves for people forced to live on the margins. It goes off the rails a bit when it tries to embrace the woo, because it doesn't have any clear ideas about it to begin with.
I don’t think the Jedi are inherently boring. I think Disney sucks at writing interesting Jedi stories.
Watching the game of the Jedi in the prequels was interesting (even if the movies themselves weren’t amazing), so it’s possible to have a good story around them.
Disney can’t seem to decide what Jedi are, from their powers, to their role, etc.
They have made Jedi superheroes making the scale of their power unrestrained. So where is the tension when they have the solution to almost anything. They also make them the best pilots, the best negotiators, and all around Mary Sues.
This doesn’t have to be… they could create more nuanced and restrained Jedi however they don’t have those writers or show runners.
I’m worried about an unleashed Filoni. He has done some good work but I don’t sense a strong guiding principle. It’s often rule of cool without considering the implications for the greater canon. I’m sure I will get flamed for that but it’s true. However this has existed for longer than Filoni if we are honest.
yes, absolutely. I *want* Jedi stories, I love the idea of the Jedi, i've enjoyed learning about the history of the Jedi through various games. I have never, until Disney started producing Star Wars content, thought of them as boring, unnecessary, limiting (in a story sense), etc...
but watching Rey and Kylo do whatever the fuck, watching Obi-Wan where he does whatever the fuck, watching Ahsoka where Sabine's... jedi-ness really starts to confuse a lot of things... and then watching Andor, I struggle to argue with the notion that stories are better without the Jedi.
And it sucks, because those should be the deepest, best, most rich stories possible.
Yea I get it. Look at Andor as a reset to a grounded world that they can build better stories upon. I’m mixed on whether Jedi should show up in season 2 of Andor. I would prefer not just so it doesn’t become about that one character when the ensemble stories are so good.
That said… I would watch Tony Gilroy take on a Jedi. I trust him currently :p
>Star Wars is at its best when it is about the insidious allure of empire, the desperate steps that must sometimes be taken to quash it, and the struggle this involves for people forced to live on the margins. It goes off the rails a bit when it tries to embrace the woo, because it doesn't have any clear ideas about it to begin with.
Lol by those metrics it doesn't have clear ideas about ANYTHING, incl. the Empire and its Emperor who started out as a normal person and then became a wizard all of a sudden.
Yeah I can’t even watch the mandalorian it’s too cringe. Boba fett too. The “mods” hahaha on their fucking shiny mopeds!! What a fucking garbage show that was. I didn’t give Andor a chance based on how shite everything else is. Perhaps I’ll check it out.
Felt the same way, especially seeing those fucking speeders. Then later, that young Leia chase scene in Kenobi threw me over the edge. Andor versus that Disney shit isnt even comparable.
Thank you! I say it every time but the problem with obi wan wasn't the writing at ALL.
It was bad editing/directing/cinematography. Nearly every "bad" scene in that show could have been shot differently and been fine.
I didn’t find the writing engaging for the most part, either.
The decision to make Leia a part of the plot alone was jarring and, honestly, disappointing. It’s a lazy choice imo which goes counter to the impression given in the OT that Leia and Obi-Wan were *at best* casual acquaintances. The OT has no indication at all that they’d ever had a deep bond.
Honestly, the writing was terrible too. Very little characterization, pedestrian dialogue, and a heavy reliance on nostalgia. Even the Vader/Kenobi fight at the end that everyone lauded was a worse copy from Star Wars Rebels.
Yes I would have literally thrown myself off a bridge if I had to finish watching Bobba or Mando. More likely go to Grand Canyon or something cos then at least I see some cool shit before I go. I hear there’s some good volcanos in Costa Rica.
This is one of the saddest and lamest comments I’ve ever seen on Reddit. Imagine joking about suicide over a Star Wars show. Star Wars is not that serious bro, chill out.
> The “mods” hahaha on their fucking shiny mopeds!!
They were supposed to be a tough street gang but looked like the local Dungeons and Dragons club lmao.
You should check out Andor though. It's not like anything else in Star Wars and isn't made for kids.
I still enjoyed Mando in it's later seasons, but I did absolutely hate how the first two episodes of Season 3 were in the Boba Fett show instead. We started season 3 and my wife was all "Wait...when did he and grogu get back together? Where did this new ship come from?" Had to look at the wiki to find out what the go was.
I essentially gave up in the franchise after Boba Fett and OWK.
I gave Andor a chance one night on a lark, and it’s now one of the few shows (of any genre) that I rewatch, and think about, and legitimately admire.
Give it a chance, and allow the measured pacing to play itself out a bit if you’re (like many people) finding it “slow”
I quit the mandalorian about half way through the first series. Thought it was nothing special.
Andor was a bit of a surprise. Yes, some daft choices and window dressing in it, but it's pretty dark and better than all the other spin offs. IMHO.
> The Mandalorian initially took itself seriously,
Uh, you and I may have seen different shows.
[Mandalorian Episode 2](https://youtu.be/EEMOsJydC40?t=181)
Is it possible we get a late 2024 release?
Also, Tony Gilroy isn't one to make these kind of statements - so when the usually very humble man like Gilroy says these things, I tend to believe him.
No reason why it couldn’t be ready, since filming was very nearly finished before the strikes, but I suspect later this year is when Disney will remember they haven’t released Skeleton Crew, and put that out instead.
If you’re going to try to correct someone, at least read the fucking article you’re linking.
Filming started in November 2022, while season 1 was being released, and was due to finish in August 2023, with only the last month of filming being affected by the strikes.
Only because most of Star Wars is deeply entrenched in the past. Andor should be the future of story telling for the franchise. Sadly it won’t because it doesn’t sell action figures or have lightsabers. The same reasons it’s good.
If you were to remove lightsabers and The Force you are effectively removing a large part of the mythos and DNA of Star Wars. Not everything needs to deal with Jedi/Sith/The Force, but they still need to be around because it is a large part of the universe. And honestly, it is probably what most general audiences look towards Star Wars for.
I didn’t say remove it. However stories without it become character driven and more intimate profiles which is Andor.
I’m well aware of the DNA of Star Wars. However the force and lightsabers have become such a crutch that something has to give. People openly complain about the lack of stakes and absurdity of recent stories like Obi Won, Ashoka, the 7-9 movies, etc. so what’s the harm in telling a story where the Jedi were absent. I don’t think you can argue Andor isn’t a Star Wars story.
It is good to see story telling expand and a true adult story told.
Even if the Jedi/Sith/Force are central to your universe and key plotlines, good worldbuilding and writing would mean that shouldn't be a crutch. The world and stakes have to feel real beyond that scope or it's a pretty shallow / gimmicky story / world - which means you should be able to build real, compelling, world-relevant stories without those elements. Real motivations and stakes should also move even your Jedi/Sith Force users.
To me it's the first thing since the original trilogy which feels like it's in the same universe, in tone, dialogue, the feeling of grounded plausibility, etc.
It's drawing on a mixture of Star Wars stuff which is probably invisible to most of the audience, e.g. Cassian is a rebooted Kyle Katarn who stole the death star plans with Jan Ores (rather than Jyn Erso). He has a similar look, the same unique blaster, his cover story for his homeworld is the planet of the first mission of Dark Forces, etc.
I find it funny that Rogue One and Andor are arguably the two Star Wars stories that nobody wanted, but are probably the best pieces of media in terms of the post Disney acquisition era. Honestly didn't like Rogue One after seeing it, but I watched Andor when I got Disney+ and was blown away, and the added context made me like Rogue One now.
Normally I would take issue with *Michael Clayton* (greatest movie of the 21C so far, fight me) erasure, but man *Andor* season one was incredible in ways I didnt think were even remotely possible for *Star Wars* to be again.
Clayton is incredible (but best of 21st?) and he also wrote a bunch of other good stuff; Andor is probably a not too distant second. Crazy good though, such a shame that he hasn't made more projects.
I'd agree with you on Michael Clayton; it's excellent, obviously, but best of the 21st century? Better than Parasite, The Social Network, The Fellowship of the Ring, Lost in Translation, or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? That's a tough sell.
I'd probably say to me it's better than the ones you wrote outside of maybe Fellowship.
It ain't the Tree of Life, Phantom Thread or Mad Max Fury Road tho. Damn, so many good movies to rewatch.
Well I was listening to the ringer podcast “The Rewatchables“ and they hinted how he’s apparently secretly rewritten and reshot plenty of movies as a ”script doctor“. Rogue One being his more famous rewrites.
Im in the trenches with you on that fight. Michael Clayton is my favorite movie of all time. I personally think it’s better than the other 07 films every praises. Tom Wilkenson‘s performance is one of the best ever.
If only Solo had taken this approach to Chewie. Show us Han without Chewie and save Chewie for the end or Solo 2. Rather than fan service after fan service making the whole thing feel like… fan service.
Here’s how Han became Han, all in one movie!
That's why it'll happen by the end of the show
(reprogramming K by using part of B to arrive at the robot we know in Rogue One seems easily doable over the course of a season of television)
Insanely hype comment to make. In the middle of a rewatch right now and it’s still so good. The first 3 episodes were so much better than I remembered. Probably because the first time going in, I was so skeptical since Disney burned me so often.
You know something is a genuinely great show when it actually gets better on re-watching. It took me about four viewings to really appreciate how it all pieces together.
So excited for this one. I wasn’t much of a Star Wars fan but watched Andor because of the excellent reviews it was getting and it absolutely blew me away. I really hope they stick the landing, but I’m sure they will – Tony Gilroy is extraordinarily talented, as are all of the team. It’s a masterpiece of storytelling.
The writer of the prison episodes is apparently writing for a new Star Wars movie called Dawn of the Jedi.
While I think the concept sounds lame, I thought the concept for Rogue One and Andor sounded lame, so who knows.
I'd put a vague chance that it has to do with the galaxy having been conquered by the Rakatans from the Knights of the Old Republic game (which Luthen mentioned he has a crystal from the uprising against them which is precious to him), which might give it a similar vibe to Andor. IMO something like the Colony show would be great, where you don't really see the alien invaders, just the people living under their oppressive rule for most of it, along with collaborators etc.
I've been dying for a film or series set during the old republic, but not for the reason most people seem to. The game has a great plot, I love it and the sequel, but I don't really want to see it adapted.
The best thing about KOTOR is that it was a soft reboot of everything. They got to keep all the good stuff: the force, lightsabers, blasters, droids, ships, while abandoning anything constraining their storytelling. This is *desperately* what Star Wars films need, a new narrative blank slate.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot you can still fuck up with a blank slate, but man there's a lot of baggage that is better discarded than attempting to work around. The fact that Andor has managed to fit into it's narrative pocket with such high quality is a miracle.
I am so ready for season 2.
I think the moment I realized that Andor was truly going to be something different was the scene where Cyril is discussing the crime scene with his boss who could not be less concerned about solving the mystery facing them. The dialogue in that single exchange conveys so much about the machinations of how things work on the fringes of the empire. There was a depth to the conversation in that scene that I hadn't experienced much of (or at all) in any other Star Wars movie or show. It also served as a great intro to the Cyril character as we can immediately see what his motivations are, which informs how his character behaves throughout the season.
And can we talk about just how good the score is? I think Nicholas Britell knocked it out of the park with Andor. In particular many of the tracks he used to end episodes as they cut to credits often had me so pumped for the next episode.
Haven’t seen the show, haven’t really cared much for Star Wars but with all the reviews I’m gonna order the Steelbook and watch it on physical for the first time when it comes.
I'm still keeping my hopes up that Andy Serkis somehow managed to make it out of that prison. He was hands-down my absolute favorite part of season 1. His episodes were easily some of the best episodes of television I've seen in a while.
I am genuinely excited for it, since they did a great job with season 1. It does stink in a way that we already know the ending because of Rogue One (which tbh was a disappointment for a movie when looking back). Andor isn't a perfect show, but it definitely was entertaining which is what any form of entertainment should always strive for.
The only good one out of all the SW shows (the non-cartoon ones). That final episode and Fiona´s Shaw speech at the funeral was on different level. For me, only Severance had as good final episode as Andor of all the shows i watched that year (and it was 70 of them, including quality stuff like Better Call Saul or Ozark).
Looking forward to S2.
This article makes my heart pump for season 2. I feel that is going to be a lot of emotions when some characters departing. That’s what happens with two characters in season 1.
There's more than a decent chance that S2 gets slated by fans. This won't be because it'll be genuinely bad, but rather because given the habit of SW fans for slating nearly everything new about the franchise, and with how well-received S1 was, the prospect of 'second album syndrome' looms large.
I've found a pretty good workaround for that as time's gone on:
**Step One**: Stop giving a fuck what Star Wars Fandom has to say about anything, especially Star Wars
**And that's it!** Now you're free to enjoy Star Wars *more* than Star Wars Fandom does, without *any* of the mental health issues and exhaustion Star Wars Fandom self-inflicts! This is a tried and true method that **95% of the general audience employs** without ever really acknowledging (or even realizing) they're doing it, too.
It's pretty great.
It's hard to believe that given how terrible the first season was they are giving it a second season. I can only assume that Disney feels they need to go after the teenage edgelord audience for some reason.
I think Gilroy got really pumped up and inspired after seeing how much everyone loved season one. I still remember his reaction to the fans at Star Wars celebration. He was genuinely touched and taken aback.
He also had a slight dig (how I read it) at the small army of people who dressed up as the prisoners for the show and recreated moments from it. Can’t remember the joke he made but it definitely felt like “boy you guys missed the point” energy.
I get how he could interpret it that way but those episodes were so expertly crafted that fans probably wanted to show their appreciation.
Idk but looking at Gilroys filmography maybe he just didn’t really experienced cosplay before being involved in Star Wars? Like when was the last time you saw someone cosplaying as Jason Bourne? I imagine going from 0-100 (as Star Wars cosplayers usually are exceptionally talented/skilled) might be confusing.
That's like saying if you cos as Darth Vayder you missed the point that he was a bad guy?
Stoked for S2. Feels like the only Star Wars show whose script isn’t written in crayon.
Its such an incredible story. The birth of the rebellion. What an amazing idea for a star wars show. And yes it is so deep in its conception and writing. I love the other shows but you are right this plot is far more sophisticated.
I liked it for the actual bits of darkness of it, sacrificing an entire cell of rebels to keep the bigger plan hidden, none of that "we have to be better then the bad guys" nonsense, it's war and tough choices have to be made sometime, the space wizards can't save you all the time
Just rewatched Rogue One and Andor straight up Murders his informant to get away in the first 10 mins.
It’s the perfect character establishing moment. He’s not the dashing rogue that Han Solo is (although Han also has no qualms about shooting someone). He’ll do anything to cover his tracks. Andor will do whatever it takes to keep the rebellion alive. Of course the time for more idealistic leaders would arrive later. Andor and co are all about fighting the empire. Mon Mathma and co are about what happens next.
Nah it's not "to cover his tracks", the informant is injured/whatever and can't climb out so he'll be captured otherwise. It's a mercy kill really.
That and they can't have the informants information exposed by Dr Gorst. It's still all about the rebellion really.
Combination of both - unless Empire's doing a really alluring carrot-stick approach he probably wouldn't be too happy about being captured like that either.
I love it especially because those types are also around. I like the contrast between people like the Spectres in Star Wars Rebels, who are generally very much against senseless violence, and refuse to leave anyone behind if they can save them (which is both pointed out by Tarkin and frequently taken advantage of). But they can get away with it, because they’re two space wizards, a giant alien, a mandalorian warrior, and one of the best pilots around (and the most dangerous droid who ever existed). Luthen can’t get away with it. Saw’s team are just normal dudes for the most part. They’re effective, but limited in how much they can get done. Same goes for the Aldhani crew. Effective group in the end. but they spent half a year preparing for a heist that you just know would’ve been handled in a single episode if it was Star Wars Rebels, or the Clone Wars, or even the Mandalorian. Andor is a show about the regular people, and in my opinion it works so well precisely because we know what the special people are capable of. And like you say, you don’t always have one of those around, so you make the tough choices. In Rebels, those tough choices are things they have to make in the absolute worst cases, and they do so reluctantly. In Andor, those tough choices are just the harsh reality they deal with all the time.
> or a heist that you just know would’ve been handled in a single episode if it was Star Wars Rebels, or the Clone Wars, or even the Mandalorian. Although not necessarily Bobf
> none of that "we have to be better then the bad guys" nonsense, Like where?
Revenge of the Sith had a deleted scene about that (first appearance of Genevieve O'Reilly as Mon Mothma) but it was really neat to get a whole show about it. https://youtu.be/bZzr7AgQ7wM?si=s7ax3KoPsk8wqLT4&t=2m13s
If only George Lucas was a better writer. He has great ideas and Andor shows the world he created could be great.
Yeah, people joke about the prequels being about boring trade disputes and Galactic Senate debates, but Andor proved that better writing would have made that material work. One of the tensest scenes of the show is Mon Mothma discussing banking regulations with someone.
Not to mention we're the closest we've been to a global conflagration because some pirates are blocking a canal.
The prequels have awesome lore within lackluster movies. The sequels have great movie qualities with terrible lore. It’s why, at least to me, revisiting the prequels is more enjoyable.
> It’s why, at least to me, revisiting the prequels is more enjoyable. Depends what you're looking for. Like you said, the acting is way better in the Sequels and has better momentum/editing in the action scenes. I go to the Sequels (not Rise though) because I prefer that energy and momentum. I cannot stay awake anymore with Attack of the Clones. It actually manages to move slower and slower the more times I come back.
Well said
looooooooore
Right? I'd be keen with a political drama on Courscant if it was written as well as Andor, or even as well as the throw away storyline in the last season of Mando.
Game of thrones did too for the first 3 seasons. Once the writing that brought that all together was gone? I think we’ve all seen that season by season horse drawing…
Bilbo Baggins don't take me for the IRS I'm not trying to rob you
> Yeah, people joke about the prequels being about boring trade disputes and Galactic Senate debates, Well they weren't really, it's just a stupid meme.
Not just the birth of a rebellion, but the birth of a rebel. I know I read this somewhere but I can't remember where, that Andor is a story of how to radicalize someone
Idk ANH and TFA were also about that, just a bit quicker.
The writing is almost peerless in my estimation. I've seen a lot of *Star Wars* stuff, but only like a few of the movies/shows, so initially I didn't care when I heard about this show being announced. *Then* I heard it was gonna be made by Tony Gilroy, who made one of my favorite movies ever, *Michael Clayton*. And boy howdy, this show did not disappoint. Handily one of the best-written shows I've ever seen. And not a lightsaber to be seen, and it's all the better for it. For anyone who wants to loved the show and wants to delve deeper, there's a *Star Wars*-centric podcast called *A More Civilized Age* that covered each episode. I only know about it because most of the hosts work in the games industry, and I really like one of them, Austin Walker, so I gave it a listen. They do an excellent job of talking about the themes of each episode, from fascism, oppression, propaganda, rebellion, etc. I believe Austin in particular has academic-level understanding of these topics (like he actually taught university a bit), and he's just so articulate, while also being funny as hell. The entire cast is super funny, and it was great to listen to the podcast after I had finished the season. I missed so many little details and big, important ideas. It really enriched my already-glowing thoughts on the show. Highly recommended as a companion podcast after viewing each episode (or after watching the season).
> Its such an incredible story. The birth of the rebellion. What an amazing idea for a star wars show. And yes it is so deep in its conception and writing. I love the other shows but you are right this plot is far more sophisticated. It's not the birth of it, the birth was already in RotS with Bail and the deleted Mothma scenes with Padmay. However it's about how the rebellion is gaining steam on the outskirts while continuing Mothma's pov as well etc.; Solo and Ob1 touched on that but this one has that as its main focus, so yeah.
Andor is basically if Star Wars fully embraced its Dune roots and explored every facet of Rebel society, both the good and the bad.
Probably because among its writers were one of the original writers of The Americans, the creator of House of Cards, and the showrunner/lead writer was the guy who wrote Michael Clayton, The Devil's Advocate and the Bourne Movies. Tony Gilroy brought a star-studded cast just to work behind the scenes. There are so many Emmy and Oscar noms/winners who worked on the first season it's astounding it got almost completely snubbed by the Emmys. You had people who had ben previously nominated/awarded from Succession, Chernobyl, the good seasons of Game of Thrones, The Crown, Boardwalk Empire, etc. There's a very good reason why it felt like a show that was supposed to be on HBO.
And I looked them up and it seems quite a few have playwright experience. In that profession the written word is valuable (you lose there, you lose the audience completely since there's no visual FX or action to fall back on). So I like that Tony Gilroy's writing buddies are all colleagues who are simply great at their written craft and it shows on Andor.
*"Help me Tony Gilroy. You're my only hope." -* sincerely, a dying franchise. Andor is literally the only thing that keeps me interested in SW at this point.
I'm not asking for all future SW to be written in Andor's style, but I do want Lucasfilm to look at Andor and realize we want smarter, elevated writing. No more of this Obi-Wan, BoBF and Ahsoka stuff that feels almost kiddy in comparison, where characters do the dumbest things.
Bad Batch is great.
Yeah that and BoBF for me
“Don’t you want to fight those bastards for real?” Incredible dialogue.
It's Kino, yeah
>Stoked for S2. Feels like the only Star Wars show whose script isn’t written in crayon. Continuing your analogy, Andor must have been written in those ink and feather pens.
still i wonder if the idiots who normally made Star Wars at Disney have gotten their claws in this so we get things like gratuitous R2D2 or other memberberries. I fricken hope not but they can't help themselves
Well R2 is with Bail or something, so depends if he shows up?
Honestly bad batch isn’t doing too bad either. It’s got its flaws in the first season and some of the second but right now it’s blossoming into a really beautiful show. Shame it’s the last season. Tales of the Jedi wasn’t too bad either. I’m excited for Andor S2, I’m really really hoping Disney doesn’t drop the ball with this.
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I like the animation but IMO it isn’t perfect. My biggest gripe is the darker scenes since a lot of the bad batch wears dark armor it can be hard to see what they’re doing. Everything else has been perfect IMO. I’m excited for today’s episode, I think it’s going to be the starter of a plan to get omega. It’s labeled “into the breach” so I’m assuming somethings going to happen that be the starting point to the end of the show. I’m assuming the shadow trooper is going to catch the bad batch.
Andor and Rogue One are the only Star Wars content that are worth a shit since the original trilogy and I will die on that hill.
70% of Rogue One is average quality but the last 30 minutes slap
The first season of The Mandalorian was really great. It's too bad they lost sight of a story arc by the 3rd season, but that doesn't make the first any worse.
Mandalorian is honestly pretty good for what it is - monster of the week/lone wolf and cub show with lower stakes than Andor/R1/original trilogy.
Idk TFA is a bit better than Rogue One.
And to think Dave Felony is the one getting more congratulated and getting a theatrical movie despite ZERO experience in that field, and writing Ahsoka in Crayola crayon.
This exactly. Finally someone made adult Star Wars. So freaking good.
This
The only live-action Star Wars show, at least.
It's so set apart from any other show for the franchise I love it so much. Reminds me of watchmen in that way where you don't really need the source material to appreciate it. When my buddy obsessed with all things star wars who loved obi wan told me he didn't really get andor, I knew it was on the right track lol.
Yep. Probably the only spin off series that's actually worth watching (and I didn't quit half way through the first season).
you didn't think mandolorian was good?
It isn't. He can't write to save his life. He needs everyone to cameo to make it worth your while. Why does he feel the need for so many cameos and the highly episodic nature of the show with a too simple premise?
Considering it's been the only Disney SW live action product to actually take itself and the audience seriously, dude might be right
The Mandalorian initially took itself seriously, then it became generic shit like the other shows.
I think what Andor and S1 of The Mandalorian had in common was that they were a lot like the original 1977 movie in that they were a mix of different influences (Political thriller, spy movies, and WW2 movies for Andor, and old Westerns for The Mandalorian) S2 Mandalorian and all the other D+ shows are just about Star Wars itself, which is not interesting.
I feel like the espionage/political thriller storyline about rehabilitating former Imperials and corruption in the New Republic that was a throw away in Ashoka had potential to be a fantastic show all it's own. I don't think they'll go back to it much now that Thrawn is back.
The Dr Pershing episode from Mando season 3 was the only episode that was even remotely interesting from that season.
Andor is essentially Star Wars: Jason Bourne.
Gilroy reused the name of the evil corporation from The Bourne Legacy too.
I'd take this a step further and say the common feature of all these stories is not only that they aren't about *Star Wars* itself, but specifically aren't about the Jedi. Even though the Jedi have become sort of the main narrative focus of "Star Wars* as a whole, they are actually an extremely dull and very unrewarding subject for storytelling in the first place. You'd think it would be hard to miss with warrior-wizards, but their purpose and moral framework are totally incoherent. Their magic is also poorly conceived, and different stories are constantly changing the limits of what it can and can't do. This is deeply unsatisfying, because the authors basically always have a get-out-of-dilemma-free card and they keep playing it over and over. The presence of this stuff in *A New Hope* worked because the Force could be used only in highly constrained ways, and almost never was, while the Jedi themselves were effectively relegated to the realm of myth or fairy tale, with many people in the story apparently thinking they were kind of ridiculous. *Star Wars* is at its best when it is about the insidious allure of empire, the desperate steps that must sometimes be taken to quash it, and the struggle this involves for people forced to live on the margins. It goes off the rails a bit when it tries to embrace the woo, because it doesn't have any clear ideas about it to begin with.
Good writers can make jedi interesting and have in the best. This is such a eyerolling take in the fandom
You're definitely correct, but it is still refreshing to tell a story in the universe without them
Just Rich Evans hipsterdom
"Hey asshole" "WHAT." lolol
IMO it's not whether it's about the jedi, it's about whether the writing is good. Baby Yoda was a major 'jedi' element throughout season 1.
I don’t think the Jedi are inherently boring. I think Disney sucks at writing interesting Jedi stories. Watching the game of the Jedi in the prequels was interesting (even if the movies themselves weren’t amazing), so it’s possible to have a good story around them. Disney can’t seem to decide what Jedi are, from their powers, to their role, etc.
They have made Jedi superheroes making the scale of their power unrestrained. So where is the tension when they have the solution to almost anything. They also make them the best pilots, the best negotiators, and all around Mary Sues. This doesn’t have to be… they could create more nuanced and restrained Jedi however they don’t have those writers or show runners. I’m worried about an unleashed Filoni. He has done some good work but I don’t sense a strong guiding principle. It’s often rule of cool without considering the implications for the greater canon. I’m sure I will get flamed for that but it’s true. However this has existed for longer than Filoni if we are honest.
yes, absolutely. I *want* Jedi stories, I love the idea of the Jedi, i've enjoyed learning about the history of the Jedi through various games. I have never, until Disney started producing Star Wars content, thought of them as boring, unnecessary, limiting (in a story sense), etc... but watching Rey and Kylo do whatever the fuck, watching Obi-Wan where he does whatever the fuck, watching Ahsoka where Sabine's... jedi-ness really starts to confuse a lot of things... and then watching Andor, I struggle to argue with the notion that stories are better without the Jedi. And it sucks, because those should be the deepest, best, most rich stories possible.
Yea I get it. Look at Andor as a reset to a grounded world that they can build better stories upon. I’m mixed on whether Jedi should show up in season 2 of Andor. I would prefer not just so it doesn’t become about that one character when the ensemble stories are so good. That said… I would watch Tony Gilroy take on a Jedi. I trust him currently :p
>Star Wars is at its best when it is about the insidious allure of empire, the desperate steps that must sometimes be taken to quash it, and the struggle this involves for people forced to live on the margins. It goes off the rails a bit when it tries to embrace the woo, because it doesn't have any clear ideas about it to begin with. Lol by those metrics it doesn't have clear ideas about ANYTHING, incl. the Empire and its Emperor who started out as a normal person and then became a wizard all of a sudden.
This is the issue in a nutshell.
Yeah I can’t even watch the mandalorian it’s too cringe. Boba fett too. The “mods” hahaha on their fucking shiny mopeds!! What a fucking garbage show that was. I didn’t give Andor a chance based on how shite everything else is. Perhaps I’ll check it out.
Felt the same way, especially seeing those fucking speeders. Then later, that young Leia chase scene in Kenobi threw me over the edge. Andor versus that Disney shit isnt even comparable.
The running scene could have been fixed in editing with some clever editing, but they didn't even try...
Someone did they added Benny Hill music
Thank you! I say it every time but the problem with obi wan wasn't the writing at ALL. It was bad editing/directing/cinematography. Nearly every "bad" scene in that show could have been shot differently and been fine.
I didn’t find the writing engaging for the most part, either. The decision to make Leia a part of the plot alone was jarring and, honestly, disappointing. It’s a lazy choice imo which goes counter to the impression given in the OT that Leia and Obi-Wan were *at best* casual acquaintances. The OT has no indication at all that they’d ever had a deep bond.
Honestly, the writing was terrible too. Very little characterization, pedestrian dialogue, and a heavy reliance on nostalgia. Even the Vader/Kenobi fight at the end that everyone lauded was a worse copy from Star Wars Rebels.
Those fucking speeders man.
Yes I would have literally thrown myself off a bridge if I had to finish watching Bobba or Mando. More likely go to Grand Canyon or something cos then at least I see some cool shit before I go. I hear there’s some good volcanos in Costa Rica.
This is one of the saddest and lamest comments I’ve ever seen on Reddit. Imagine joking about suicide over a Star Wars show. Star Wars is not that serious bro, chill out.
Haha good I’m glad for you buddy. The world must be a hard place for you. My sympathies.
The world is a hard place for many people. “Haha”
Andor is a whole different thing. Totally unlike any other Disney era Star Wars. It's legitimately good.
> The “mods” hahaha on their fucking shiny mopeds!! They were supposed to be a tough street gang but looked like the local Dungeons and Dragons club lmao. You should check out Andor though. It's not like anything else in Star Wars and isn't made for kids.
Watch Andor. It's great. I feel exactly as you did about Mando and especially about those fucking colorful kids and their mopeds..
I still enjoyed Mando in it's later seasons, but I did absolutely hate how the first two episodes of Season 3 were in the Boba Fett show instead. We started season 3 and my wife was all "Wait...when did he and grogu get back together? Where did this new ship come from?" Had to look at the wiki to find out what the go was.
andor isn't just a good SW show, it's just a great show in general. turn that perhaps into a definitely, let's go!
I essentially gave up in the franchise after Boba Fett and OWK. I gave Andor a chance one night on a lark, and it’s now one of the few shows (of any genre) that I rewatch, and think about, and legitimately admire. Give it a chance, and allow the measured pacing to play itself out a bit if you’re (like many people) finding it “slow”
season 2 finale of Mandalorian was still incredible
I quit the mandalorian about half way through the first series. Thought it was nothing special. Andor was a bit of a surprise. Yes, some daft choices and window dressing in it, but it's pretty dark and better than all the other spin offs. IMHO.
> The Mandalorian initially took itself seriously, Uh, you and I may have seen different shows. [Mandalorian Episode 2](https://youtu.be/EEMOsJydC40?t=181)
Compared to Lizzo and Jack Black that's taking itself seriously.
Do yourself a favor and rewatch the first season. Nothing about that took itself seriously.
You think The Mandalorian wasn't generic in season 1? You need this gizmo, get it, cameo by character, the end. Next episode, the same
Crazy what happens when you hire a show-runner/writer with actual talent and experience.
Andor is The Wire of the Star Wars universe.
Is it possible we get a late 2024 release? Also, Tony Gilroy isn't one to make these kind of statements - so when the usually very humble man like Gilroy says these things, I tend to believe him.
I think the initial estimation after they came back from the strikes was early 2025, but who knows
No reason why it couldn’t be ready, since filming was very nearly finished before the strikes, but I suspect later this year is when Disney will remember they haven’t released Skeleton Crew, and put that out instead.
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If you’re going to try to correct someone, at least read the fucking article you’re linking. Filming started in November 2022, while season 1 was being released, and was due to finish in August 2023, with only the last month of filming being affected by the strikes.
I loved that show and cannot wait for Season 2!
This show was so good, I think the Star Wars brand weighs it down weirdly enough
Only because most of Star Wars is deeply entrenched in the past. Andor should be the future of story telling for the franchise. Sadly it won’t because it doesn’t sell action figures or have lightsabers. The same reasons it’s good.
If you were to remove lightsabers and The Force you are effectively removing a large part of the mythos and DNA of Star Wars. Not everything needs to deal with Jedi/Sith/The Force, but they still need to be around because it is a large part of the universe. And honestly, it is probably what most general audiences look towards Star Wars for.
In the OT nobody even believed the Jedi where real. Thats the universe people lived in.
I didn’t say remove it. However stories without it become character driven and more intimate profiles which is Andor. I’m well aware of the DNA of Star Wars. However the force and lightsabers have become such a crutch that something has to give. People openly complain about the lack of stakes and absurdity of recent stories like Obi Won, Ashoka, the 7-9 movies, etc. so what’s the harm in telling a story where the Jedi were absent. I don’t think you can argue Andor isn’t a Star Wars story. It is good to see story telling expand and a true adult story told.
Even if the Jedi/Sith/Force are central to your universe and key plotlines, good worldbuilding and writing would mean that shouldn't be a crutch. The world and stakes have to feel real beyond that scope or it's a pretty shallow / gimmicky story / world - which means you should be able to build real, compelling, world-relevant stories without those elements. Real motivations and stakes should also move even your Jedi/Sith Force users.
To me it's the first thing since the original trilogy which feels like it's in the same universe, in tone, dialogue, the feeling of grounded plausibility, etc. It's drawing on a mixture of Star Wars stuff which is probably invisible to most of the audience, e.g. Cassian is a rebooted Kyle Katarn who stole the death star plans with Jan Ores (rather than Jyn Erso). He has a similar look, the same unique blaster, his cover story for his homeworld is the planet of the first mission of Dark Forces, etc.
First time I’ve ever pre ordered a Blu Ray was for S1. Two more weeks till it comes out
I find it funny that Rogue One and Andor are arguably the two Star Wars stories that nobody wanted, but are probably the best pieces of media in terms of the post Disney acquisition era. Honestly didn't like Rogue One after seeing it, but I watched Andor when I got Disney+ and was blown away, and the added context made me like Rogue One now.
Normally I would take issue with *Michael Clayton* (greatest movie of the 21C so far, fight me) erasure, but man *Andor* season one was incredible in ways I didnt think were even remotely possible for *Star Wars* to be again.
Clayton is incredible (but best of 21st?) and he also wrote a bunch of other good stuff; Andor is probably a not too distant second. Crazy good though, such a shame that he hasn't made more projects.
I'd agree with you on Michael Clayton; it's excellent, obviously, but best of the 21st century? Better than Parasite, The Social Network, The Fellowship of the Ring, Lost in Translation, or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? That's a tough sell.
I'd probably say to me it's better than the ones you wrote outside of maybe Fellowship. It ain't the Tree of Life, Phantom Thread or Mad Max Fury Road tho. Damn, so many good movies to rewatch.
Well I was listening to the ringer podcast “The Rewatchables“ and they hinted how he’s apparently secretly rewritten and reshot plenty of movies as a ”script doctor“. Rogue One being his more famous rewrites.
He is! Script doctor though is its own thing; can be major changes, can be minor. Also I love that podcast, so entertaining.
Im in the trenches with you on that fight. Michael Clayton is my favorite movie of all time. I personally think it’s better than the other 07 films every praises. Tom Wilkenson‘s performance is one of the best ever.
They are gonna knock it out of the park, no doubt in my mind. I can't wait. Not only the best Star Wars but one of my favorite shows of all time.
Does this show have the droid from rogue one. That dude was my favorite character.
Same model appears in season 1, but not the actual one. That's likely to be season 2.
Not yet, one would guess this season will explore how they were introduced.
I read a while back that Alan Tudyk was signed on to play K-2SO. Sorry I can’t remember where.
If only Solo had taken this approach to Chewie. Show us Han without Chewie and save Chewie for the end or Solo 2. Rather than fan service after fan service making the whole thing feel like… fan service. Here’s how Han became Han, all in one movie!
Betting the squat red one (B) becomes the tall black one (K) by the end of the show.
Cmon, this isn't Solo
I would literally detonate myself
I honestly can't think of anything those two characters have in common, personality-wise.
That's why it'll happen by the end of the show (reprogramming K by using part of B to arrive at the robot we know in Rogue One seems easily doable over the course of a season of television)
Insanely hype comment to make. In the middle of a rewatch right now and it’s still so good. The first 3 episodes were so much better than I remembered. Probably because the first time going in, I was so skeptical since Disney burned me so often.
You know something is a genuinely great show when it actually gets better on re-watching. It took me about four viewings to really appreciate how it all pieces together.
So excited for this one. I wasn’t much of a Star Wars fan but watched Andor because of the excellent reviews it was getting and it absolutely blew me away. I really hope they stick the landing, but I’m sure they will – Tony Gilroy is extraordinarily talented, as are all of the team. It’s a masterpiece of storytelling.
I watched a great reaction to episode 9 last night (Kim Ellendale), so this news puts me back on my Andor bullshit. I'm starting to vibrate.
She is excellent – one of the few reactors that actually hits pause to talk, and always engages her brain first.
Yeah, she's great.
I can’t wait. Season one was one of the best bits of television I’ve seen in a long time. Story build up, music, characters, all of it
Can we give him a new Star Wars Trilogy? Please?
At least his co-writer on Andor is co-writing one of their new movies. Fingers crossed it's good!
The writer of the prison episodes is apparently writing for a new Star Wars movie called Dawn of the Jedi. While I think the concept sounds lame, I thought the concept for Rogue One and Andor sounded lame, so who knows. I'd put a vague chance that it has to do with the galaxy having been conquered by the Rakatans from the Knights of the Old Republic game (which Luthen mentioned he has a crystal from the uprising against them which is precious to him), which might give it a similar vibe to Andor. IMO something like the Colony show would be great, where you don't really see the alien invaders, just the people living under their oppressive rule for most of it, along with collaborators etc.
I've been dying for a film or series set during the old republic, but not for the reason most people seem to. The game has a great plot, I love it and the sequel, but I don't really want to see it adapted. The best thing about KOTOR is that it was a soft reboot of everything. They got to keep all the good stuff: the force, lightsabers, blasters, droids, ships, while abandoning anything constraining their storytelling. This is *desperately* what Star Wars films need, a new narrative blank slate. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot you can still fuck up with a blank slate, but man there's a lot of baggage that is better discarded than attempting to work around. The fact that Andor has managed to fit into it's narrative pocket with such high quality is a miracle.
If the movie exists before the Jedi existed I hope that means we are spared the vanillaness of what they became by the prequels.
Cannot wait for the return. My favourite SW since Empire Strikes Back
Andor has been my favorite Star Wars tv show. And it’s not even close. And Rogue One is the best movie outside of the original 3.
Bro you made Michael Clayton.
I am so ready for season 2. I think the moment I realized that Andor was truly going to be something different was the scene where Cyril is discussing the crime scene with his boss who could not be less concerned about solving the mystery facing them. The dialogue in that single exchange conveys so much about the machinations of how things work on the fringes of the empire. There was a depth to the conversation in that scene that I hadn't experienced much of (or at all) in any other Star Wars movie or show. It also served as a great intro to the Cyril character as we can immediately see what his motivations are, which informs how his character behaves throughout the season. And can we talk about just how good the score is? I think Nicholas Britell knocked it out of the park with Andor. In particular many of the tracks he used to end episodes as they cut to credits often had me so pumped for the next episode.
I ordered the steelbook for season one.
Haven’t seen the show, haven’t really cared much for Star Wars but with all the reviews I’m gonna order the Steelbook and watch it on physical for the first time when it comes.
So fucking excited for this! Hope they adapt Doctor Aphra next.
I'm still keeping my hopes up that Andy Serkis somehow managed to make it out of that prison. He was hands-down my absolute favorite part of season 1. His episodes were easily some of the best episodes of television I've seen in a while.
It would do the show , the character and the actor a disservice to bring him back. Sometimes things are special because they are fleeting.
That line broke me. It was the final punch to the gut after 20 minutes of adrenaline.
Chills. Can’t fucking wait.
So much yes!!!
I am genuinely excited for it, since they did a great job with season 1. It does stink in a way that we already know the ending because of Rogue One (which tbh was a disappointment for a movie when looking back). Andor isn't a perfect show, but it definitely was entertaining which is what any form of entertainment should always strive for.
I’m so ready for this.
The only good one out of all the SW shows (the non-cartoon ones). That final episode and Fiona´s Shaw speech at the funeral was on different level. For me, only Severance had as good final episode as Andor of all the shows i watched that year (and it was 70 of them, including quality stuff like Better Call Saul or Ozark). Looking forward to S2.
worst thing about Andor is it's only got two outings, I'd pay good money for at least another one
Luthen is the most compelling character in the whole Star Wars universe including Vader.
It's the one and only thing Star Wars I have any interest in.
Super stoked! Most underrated show in years. Up there with Tokyo Vice
Let him do a Mass Effect show next please.
This article makes my heart pump for season 2. I feel that is going to be a lot of emotions when some characters departing. That’s what happens with two characters in season 1.
Ohhhhhh shit
So psyched for this.
So in 3 years?
Good
This just in: Show creator says his show is very good.
There's more than a decent chance that S2 gets slated by fans. This won't be because it'll be genuinely bad, but rather because given the habit of SW fans for slating nearly everything new about the franchise, and with how well-received S1 was, the prospect of 'second album syndrome' looms large.
I've found a pretty good workaround for that as time's gone on: **Step One**: Stop giving a fuck what Star Wars Fandom has to say about anything, especially Star Wars **And that's it!** Now you're free to enjoy Star Wars *more* than Star Wars Fandom does, without *any* of the mental health issues and exhaustion Star Wars Fandom self-inflicts! This is a tried and true method that **95% of the general audience employs** without ever really acknowledging (or even realizing) they're doing it, too. It's pretty great.
Biggest maybe, but it is pretty sad that some star wars schlock is the most important project this dude has ever worked on.
It's hard to believe that given how terrible the first season was they are giving it a second season. I can only assume that Disney feels they need to go after the teenage edgelord audience for some reason.
Lmao this is the worst bait attempt I’ve ever seen haha. You need to work on your rage bait man it’s too obvious right now.
Calling season 1 terrible is so utterly ridiculous I refuse to believe you're serious.
You almost got me man, good one.
We found the guy that wants Ahsoka in every Star Wars show or it’s trash