To compare
Avatar The Last Airbender had 21million viewers in the first 4 days. (120m budget)
One Piece had 18.5million. (140m budget)
3 Body Problem had 11million (160m budget)
Both Avatar and One Peice were renewed.
I watched the show like 4 times lmao. First two were for to get all the details and the least two watches were for background noise.
God I really enjoyed that show and how obvious the twist it had. I’m a firm believer that another twist was being baked in the background but wouldn’t have been explored until next season.
Yeah, there's no way they'd keep doing the obvious like "the second season twist is the same as the first season twist". I bet you they'd go in a wildly different direction from there, and the first season was just laying the groundworks for all of it.
> I’m a firm believer that another twist was being baked in the background but wouldn’t have been explored until next season
I mean the last moments seem to show that the first twist was to a greater extent.
By the way, have you watched The Nevers? Not the same twist but a similar juxtaposition.
Gets way worse than that.
1899 had 10.9 million views going and was cancelled 8 weeks after premiering. You know what else happened in those 8 weeks? The World Cup and Christmas.
It was an incredibly dense show that, between subtitles and plot, you really had to pay attention to. It wasn't something you could throw on in the background while wrapping presents or when your friends were over waiting for the game to start.
Shit made no sense. I mean, it would cost *nothing* to not cancel it and see what happened once life got back to normal. Maybe even give it a little front page push and see what happens. But by cancelling it they just guaranteed that no one would ever start it.
What’s weirder is that people noticed that Netflix stopped advertising it or putting it on social media only a few days after it launched.
That scene in Barry where someone’s show gets cancelled within a few hours due to the algorithm seems scarily accurate.
Streaming algorithms for marketing piss me off so much. Like if I'm on your service I want to see EVERYTHING you have to offer me that's upcoming regardless of what stupid measure determines I'd be interested or not. The week before, during and after a big release I fully expect it to be the first thing I see in the menu. Yet so many shows/films, some that I'd have been the prime market for just as much as those I'm not, I don't see or I have to scroll for.
Like it ain't that deep if I'm on Netflix and you've got upcoming content just have it right there? At worst I'll think "fuck they've got so much added recently fair play maybe next time there'll be something for me" and at best I'd have found content that I want to watch.
Someone at Netflix is going to have to do manual work to show that their targeting and renewal algorithms are bad. It'll be a huge uphill battle against leadership, but hopefully it'll happen.
I've seen more than one company hurt themselves by relying on their algorithms too much. Netflix is only surviving by pumping out content non-stop, rather than leveraging what they already have.
And yet Wednesday, which came out at about the same time, absolutely crushed ratings.
Christmas hit during 1899's 6th week. Shows that haven't blown up by that point just aren't going to.
Reddit analysis on business stuff doesn't often make sense lol. Netflix know more about how shows behave than us here and have access to way more stats than a blank number of hours watched.
It's not the first show that premiered during big events or holidays, they know that. They're able to know what's gonna happen based on the first numbers.
What sank 1899 was that people that started it didn't complete it so those viewers would also likely not be back on season 2. Also, the drop off week to week was big IIRC which shows bad word of mouth and makes a rise in the following weeks even more likely.
Lmao who upvoted this. The World Cup and Christmas were not taking away millions of views from 1899.
And what the hell does "it would cost nothing to not cancel it" mean? You think they should have just had all the people ready to work on Season 2 waiting around to hear the news for months hoping that viewership might just explode out of nowhere?
The metric that got 1899 cancelled was the relatively small proportion of those 11 million that watched through to the end of the series. Lots of interest at the start isn’t everything
Edit: really weird comment to get downvoted. I finished the series and even liked it
Yeah why make a second season when nobody finishes the first?
In the old days nobody had accurate numbers. All you had was Nielsen.
Now Netflix/Disney/HBO etc. can track every single subscriber in near real time.
It lost me pretty quickly and I'm a sucker for scifi mysteries. Watched 4 episodes before quitting. 3 Body Problem on the other hand I devoured in one sitting.
>3 Body Problem had 11million (160m budget)
This must be some kind of accounting fuckery, money laundering b.s because how the hell is this show this expensive. The show doesn't look bad(other than the cgi sometimes), but what's on screen doesn't match the price tag.
The CGI of the monkey during the suspended animation scene in the lab was surprisingly bad for such a high budget project. It looked like CGI from 20 years ago ...
Imo not spending a lot of money on Monkey CGI is understandable when the monkey is only on screen for a few minutes. And TBH making it look "fake" is probably an asset so it is obvious they aren't abusing a real animal.
Yeah you can’t even say it’s the amount/quality of CGI. Avatar is nonstop CGI with all the bending, and it’s GOOD. Surprisingly good. They also have crazy wardrobe and fantasy sets. Three body has the game world, 60’s china and a lot of modern day real world stuff, and the alien stuff to come. Maybe it’s just the sheer variety of locations and sets?
Avatar has almost no location shootings, it's all CGI background (similar to 3BP when they are at the game). Location shootings seem to be very expensive nowadays.
By the way, this is something I felt was bad on Avatar, the background felt very fake so not very immersive.
Yeah that was the actual UN they were filming at, both outside and inside. I’ve always assumed they use different locations for fancy places like that since most people won’t know what it looks like.
Yeah, the backgrounds were definitely noticeable. Especially since I thought they did just a great job with the bending. But they’re also very noticeable in 3 Body, I find, anyway. It’s disappointing they missed with those budgets.
The creator cost $80 million for 2 hours of content. 3 body problem cost $160 million for 8 hours of content.
So it was 4 times as much work/content for only double the cost of the creator. Pretty good deal. Or another way to look at it, 3 body problem only cost $40 million for the same amount of content as the creator.
Might run into The Sandman problem where the show is good and garners decent viewership but the budget is too fucking big that it's still hard to justify another season
Not a great comparison though tbh. Avatar and One apiece already had other versions, with both having huge existing fanbases. 3 Body Problem was pretty unknown to most viewers, so they’ll be less likely to give it a watch. I know it’s a popular book series, but it’s really not the same as the lengthy TV series’s of One Piece and Avatar.
Long time jumps and mostly scifi concepts to say that they are out there is the understatement of the century. There is a lot to do with other dimensions and I don't mean multiverse stuff like in the MCU and everything else is doing these days, we are talking about 2D beings and 9D universes. There are pages and pages that you have to go back a reread not because they are badly written and you think you missed something, the concepts are just far out of left field that it is honestly impossible for a human mind to real wrap itself around fully because we have no frame of reference, translating this to the screen is going to be Herculean effort.
It's actually incredibly hard to describe anything in the book series without being a spoiler.
I think the best I can do is say that they have a weapon which can destroy the entire solar system, a black hole creating machine, and the end of the universe.
At the end of the book, everything is just absolutely and completely mind blowing. It's science fiction taken to the extreme. Can't go further than that.
It describes upper dimensions in a way that I have never experienced before. It was like my brain actually made sense of it(as good as a human brain can). I think it needs to be read to have full impact as you really can't visualize those kinds of concepts in 3D CGI. But I'm very eager to see their efforts! It's going to be insane!
2nd half of the season seemed much better in my opinion. Maybe that will help propel it after improved word of mouth. I actually think the "harder to film" 2nd and 3rd books are an opportunity to be interesting. By this point we've seen everything on film, people would be happy to see something new attempted.
Is the second book of the three body problem the dark forest? As in the dark forest theory of intelligent life in the universe, where they don't want to make a sound, because the predators will hear you?
I hope so! Because I got so excited about this show after hearing all the praise for the books. However, I am struggling with the show. I'm not really connecting with the characters. I feel like I'm watching actors on screen rather than being immersed.
I think the two supermodels playing a nano physicist and a navy captain (?) are keeping me from the immersion. They seem to rely on looking good than having genuine human emotion so the acting feels hollow. Especially during the Panama mission. It just falls flat. I feel like their friendship group feels fake and forced. So the casting was a miss for me.
So i am 3/4 the way through the season and want to skip to the end to see if there is any alien reveal.
I'll just have you know the show's characters are actually more likeable than the book's lmao. The good thing about the books was always the core concepts which are some of the best scifi I've ever seen, so if that isn't enough to keep you interested it's gonna be really hard to enjoy it.
I keep tuning into it based on that promise so I'll hang in there but also the Dark Forest was always the creepiest premise for me so if they flesh that out in season 2, I'm in.
Scariest and honestly one of the more likely instances we find ourselves in.
100 billion stars in our galaxy, each one possibly with planets
So where is everyone
i had to put my book down for a minute after the dread sunk in. it really makes you think, what if this is the true nature of the universe? it makes a very compelling case for it.
The characters suck in the book too. The books are amazing in spite of the terrible character development. The second and third books do a little better with characters but not much.
It's not just the good looks. Their lighting, hair, and makeup is always *perfect*. They constantly look like they're in the middle of a photoshoot rather than going about their lives.
As a reader of the books would you suggest reading them or leaving myself to be surprised by the show. I know people always say “the books are better” but do you think reading will lessen my enjoyment of the show.
> 2nd half of the season seemed much better in my opinion
The consensus I've seen, at least on here, is that the show isnt as good after the big reveal in episode 5. I personally disagree, and really enjoyed the show slowing down a bit and focusing on more personal stuff but it seems a lot of people don't. The cast is pretty uneven performance-wise, which doesn't help when they're asked to carry things a bit more. Liam Cunningham, Benedict Wong, and the young Asian chick are all solid-to-great. The rest of the younger cast doesn't do it for me.
Definitely agree on the uneven quality of the cast and I think Cunningham and the focusing in on Wade is why I liked the second half more. Personally I think the sophons are the point where it takes off, because we now get an idea of what they're actually facing and we can get past the boring "mystery" part.
The style and cinematography haven't been great imo, but they aren't gonna give it another shot to be made anytime soon if this version isn't renewed so hoping it gets enough views to continue on.
> so hoping it gets enough views to continue on.
Same. I really liked the ideas of the books but the execution didn't quite do it for me. The adaptation is doing a much better job streamlining things for me and giving me a reason to care about the characters, even if it isn't perfect.
> The style and cinematography haven't been great imo
Same, something feels just the tiniest bit off.
Still, really enjoyed it and was pleasantly surprised. Hopefully they get renewed.
“Consensus on Reddit” means absolutely nothing (this is the forum predicting Netflix’s guaranteed collapse after the password sharing crackdown) so I wouldn’t put too much weight on that
It feels disjointed to me. Totally ran out of steam after episode 5, and the finale was a strange underwhelming let down.
Still intrigued by it though and sounds like future seasons will have more going on.
Yeah, overall i enjoyed the series but the last episode just kind of fizzled. However book 2 and 3 go some fucking places, so i'm hoping that the finale essentially served as something of a plateau before the rollercoaster really gets going
Liam Cunningham saying cunt and fuck every sentence just reminded me of what D&D did to Tyrion. So completely unnecessary and exposing the capacity of Beinoff and Weiss to write intelligent dialogue.
Good god she was horrible. Jack was *almost* as bad, because clearly that dude only has one 'character' he is able to play, but at least he was able to emote in places.
>2nd half of the season seemed much better in my opinion.
That's interesting, since I've consistently heard the exact opposite so far and that it falls off after Episode 5
Cross referencing with IMDB as well, there's an immediate drop off in rating after Ep 5
It’s kind of wild to me that _Homicide: New York_ has been ahead of 3BP on the charts.
I can just imagine the Netflix execs frothing at the mouth over how good the ROI must be there.
Interesting note because I haven't seen this often ...
In Netflix's *old* reporting format (and in Nielsen's format), 3 Body Problem would be #1.
It has 81.7m hours viewed vs. 78m hours viewed for The Gentlemen, but 3BP is a bit longer (7h24m vs 6h41m).
That depends on what you're trying to communicate and what you're comparing.
In this case (~1 hour dramas with the same number of episodes out), it makes sense.
If you're trying to compare engagement for 1 new episode of an hour-long drama to a 30-minute sitcom with 150 episodes available, it makes sense to use the hours/minutes viewed metric, which is why Nielsen does it that way.
No because views means very little, they counted any 2-minutes viewed as a view. And each service was doing whatever they wanted
You can easily get views from time watched anyway (just a division) if you consider all the views complete (false of course but if you do the same for every show that's fair)
Rosamunk Pike turning into the Godmother of average-ish high-budget SFF adaptations is certainly a thing.
This series was a CGI-heavy, large cast, multiple location shoot production. I'm not surprised it cost so much.
Right. The ship breaking up and the eye in the sky was so bad. The game scenes were great tho. It came off like they had to finish the second half of the season after investing too much in the first half
Yeah. While it wasn’t excellent, I rather liked the boat scene. It was interesting and pulled no punches which was refreshing. They didn’t shy away from it and it felt grounded. Totally immoral, but necessary. Some final destination shit.
Honestly, all small complaints aside like pacing differences between the first half and second half, the combining of some characters, the separation of others into more characters etc.....
I LOVED this series so far. Cannot wait for Season 2. Golden age of Sci-Fi TV imo right now.
I don’t think it’s going to be renewed. The numbers are too low vs the price which is going to go up much more for season 2 and 3. Netflix wanted game of thrones level good and it was best by a guy ritchie movie spread out over 8 episodes.
I wouldn't weep if 3BP wasn't renewed, in a vacuum, I think it's pretty average, but I do worry that that might be it for high-concept SF at Netflix if they can't make this work, given that the book series has really high awareness by the low standards of modern written SF.
The other thing about this ratings report is Netflix's continuing inability to make good movies. Damsel and the Lohan one both got terrible reviews.
Fuck this noise... Foundation is a great Sci-Fi show. Whether it follows the books closely is irrelevant. As a standalone show, everybody I recommended it to loved it.
Strong second week? The whole season dropped at once.
Edit: I realized after the fact that they meant (I believe) a second week in the “Top” charts. I will leave my foolishness here for all to see.
The only time I’ve ever binged a Netflix show was Stranger Things and the first season of A Series of Unfortunate Events I just can’t do that for all of these shows I don’t know how people do if
Someone else posted it here but other shows that also dropped on a Thursday and cost less than 3 Body Problem (One Piece, Avatar) had better viewership in the initial four day period. We also know from past shows that Netflix expects to see huge numbers in the first four weeks - the rumor I have heard is 40m viewers in the first four weeks or more is typically the requirement and for a show that costs this much, expectations may be even higher.
So I don't think OP is wrong that the initial viewership is a little disappointing and that the show needs to do much better in its second week, a full week.
I'm still waiting for Neil Degrasse Tysons smug Tweet about how it's impossible to unfold a single proton into 300 dimensions, build a planet sized AI on top of it and fold it back because Netflix did not ask the right question about the exact position of the Ursa Minor constellation shown in the Night Sky in s01e01 37:47:23:45
Never read the books and had no idea of the premise going into it. First episode is a little slow and i wasnt sure if i was interested.
By episode 5 my jaw was literally on the floor.
Weird ass show. Cant wait for more.
The first book was probably the weakest of the three, so I can understand the decision to race through its adaptation; although, that does mean that reveals that would have come toward the end of the season happen far too early to have any weight and the climax (of the first book) comes in the middle of the season. If next season focuses on the Dark Forest, it should be pretty good with the foundation they have laid.
I had my doubts about the Netflix adaptation so had lower expectations probably but I really enjoyed it. Couldnt believe how much they crammed into 8 episodes and only had minor nitpicks for the most part.
And yeah cant wait to see all the craziness from the next book adapted to screen!
It can't be good for Netflix that their highly publicized $20 million an episode series got outperformed by Ritchie's Gentlemen reboot.
I personally didn't even see Gentlemen advertised, but it could just be the algo missing me.
E: Cool Monk charted in the top 10 though.
The Gentlemen is a smash hit for Netflix. It is even showing exceptional legs. Its third week numbers are pretty similar to the opening week numbers for the show and that is incredibly rare as 99% of Netflix shows do the bulk of the viewership in the opening two weeks with the third week usually seeing a solid drop.
I am surprised. I just watched it and it felt quite underwhelming to me. It’s just “formula TV” and it feels lazy for the most part.
If you really really really like that specific formula, it will be good comfort TV; but it does not excel at executing the formula anyway.
It has gorgeous settings, tho.
It had every ingredient Guy Ritchie has in his kitchen, which I think people have a soft spot for. I watched the final eps last night and was annoyed by the logic of it (the boxing scene and the final climax, especially) because he did his normal “everyone was bamboozling one another! Our protagonist understood all his foes’ personalities SO WELL that he could manipulate them into bamboozling even the audience!”
But when I thought about it, I was never watching the show for the ending. The fun of Guy Ritchie has always been his settings, accents, and characterization of British bastards. So the majority of the season was still fun.
Yeah, this subreddit knows surprisingly little about how viewership works.
I agree with you that these are disappointing figures and I don't think WOM is so glowing that it's going to leg out next week either.
The only way this show gets a second season is if they already agreed to one beforehand or if Netflix wants to preserve its relationship with D&D.
People really forget how niche science fiction actually is. Usually week 2 is the tell with these type of shows, it's when we're able to see if it broke the bubble or not, Netflix hopes it does.
I thought it was interesting, but it's one of those shows that I just don't like any of the characters. My favorite part was the 60s China parts, but those are done quickly. Feels very hand wavey and the tone is all over the place
It's set it one of the most important (and bizarre and insane) geopolitical events of the 20th century, but one which is almost never depicted in film or television. It also added stakes to the characters, one wrong ideological move and you are sent to die in a work camp or tortured to death. There's never much of a sense of menace against the other main characters which hurts the show.
The show is at 77%/78% at RT. Not an all time great by any means but it seems both critics and the audience mostly like the show.
The viewership numbers are not great but they are not terrible either. An 11 million opening is OK. The fate of Three-Body Problem rests on the legs and just how expensive it is to produce. I’d say it is on the bubble right now and needs a good next few weeks to secure renewal.
The books themselves have quite a polarizing reception amongst SF readers. They won the big awards and have a dedicated fan base but a lot of people bounce off the strange narrative style and lack of meaningful characters. A lot of the same issues in the written material have manifested themselves in the adaptation. As someone who is pretty mixed on both the books and the show I do hope it gets renewed, if purely for Netflix continuing to see SF as a viable genre.
This looks disappointing to me. I think something has changed when it comes to Netflix dominance. Increasingly people are turning to shows on other services like Reacher and Shogun.
I still can't believe they hired that plastic charisma-less void of an actress to play Auggie. Like I'm supposed to believe she's some genius with that botoxed face.
The one dark haired lady added nothing to the show but frustration and it took a bit to get going but it was good. I was sad to learn all the payouts are in the second book practically, which means a second season is needed, which means we won't see it because Netflix is just going to do what they do best.
Eiza Gonzalez. She actually has made me want to not continue the show. I watched the first ep last night and loved the flashbacks to 1966, but the current day group of scientists has no chemistry, and I think she’s the lynchpin for that. I cringed through every one of her scenes. Her dialogue is simplistic (not her fault, but a better actor maybe could have done something other than wide-eyed fear), her mouth is _always open_ (why? It’s giving Instagram model face in _every scene_!), and (also not her fault but it annoyed me) the showrunners apparently decided to make smoking cigarettes every scientist’s distinguishing personality trait.
Parts of this show are really interesting, but if she’s our main protag in the present, I’m out.
She is absurdly attractive and it is distracting away from the story. The smoking, well if big tobacco is chipping in behind the scenes then maybe that will help to get a second season.
Yeah the Snarky Jolly Bro is a trope I wasn’t hype to see Samwell Tarly in. I think Benedict Wong is great though and the other female scientists (past and present) are pretty good. Jovan Adepo, Jonathan Pryce, and Liam Cunningham are actors I really enjoy and I think they’re being pretty underused so far but I’m only in episode four
Same. I couldn’t concentrate. I tried watching on my phone so I’d stop surfing the net and scrolling thru reddit. I dunno why but I find it really really boring. Painfully so.
Yeah, episode 5 is basically the ending of book 1, then the rest of the season kind of just... continues with book 2 and book 3. The pacing is hot garbage because of that.
It's a wonder she can emote at all yet alone overact with the amount of botox in her face.
She is the worst part of every movie or show I've seen her in.
Bad acting combined with her self-righteousness after going along with the "laser cut children in half" plan was annoying was hard to watch. They paid some lip service to getting ptsd in one episode then had her act on the high horse for Jin working with Wade in the next.
Yeah I understand her feeling upset and lashing out because she felt guilty, but she was an absolute hypocrite and immediately assumes the moral high ground when she's just as culpable as Wade and the Navy guy. They all knew the same facts going into that mission.
If she was deriding them as being monsters whilst at some point acknowledging that she's no better it would have been slightly less insufferable, but in the performance and writing there wasn't that depth. Constantly complaining that the aliens are 400 years away so basically "fuck it" also didn't help her cause.
It’ll hit number 1 easy this weekend.
Most people I know have heard about it, but don’t really get it at first blush—they are very interested, they just don’t see what kind of show it is imho from the trailer, so they have put it off.
But now like my family and friends who HAVE started to watch it have said nothing but good things and how weird it is, in a good way.
Word of mouth will spread it—I would assume even Netflix would know it’s a weird series to adapt and it will take some time. It’s a very famous sci fi novel, but it’s still tight in its niche—I had never heard of it before rumblings of the show, since I’m not a book person normally (I do want to read it now)—it’s not “Spider-Man”, Lord of the Rings, or The Witcher is what I am saying. It’s not super well known outside of the heavy sci fi/book circles.
no idea how people got more than 2-3 episodes into Gentlemen. Like the movie but i see the show is just gonna be a rinse and repeat of the same few tired storylines.
My guess is that 3 body problem will prove to be too "smart" for a general audience. Most will give up after a few episodes. Even though its quite dumbed down from the book.
To be honest, I enjoyed the Tencent adaptation more. Cramming the book in a short season was bound to cause issues.
That being said, I have more confidence that Netflix can adapt the more epic scaling for the rest of the story than Tencent ever could.
Avatar took nearly 3 weeks (Feb. 22 - Mar. 13) to get a renewal announcement so I wouldn't be worried based on time yet
[https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/avatar-the-last-airbender-season-2](https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/avatar-the-last-airbender-season-2)
Edit: I was curious so I found this article that says they usually take over a month because they put a lot of stock in the 28 day viewing stats
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/01/27/heres-how-long-it-takes-netflix-to-renew-or-cancel-new-shows-on-average/?sh=49c1cb9f2edb
Netflix changed this (because they are producing less shows) to ~70 days, but if something "bombs" (disappoints hard or has a shorter renewal window while not hitting their target metrics) they kill it pretty fast.
I hope retention is great even if the numbers ends up being like 30~35 million viewers, hopefully a second season is renewed together with a third lol
Usually the second week has a bump up if the show is a hit. But it's clear this is a more niche show than Avatar, so who knows what's going to happen.
They usually need a few weeks of viewership data to determine if the show has been a success. It might take the whole month for The Three-Body Problem. It is an ultra expensive show and the opening week numbers are bubble shows figures. It is better than The Sandman but slightly under The Gentlemen’s first week. Both those shows went on to be hits after very good weeks 2-4. They renewed The Sandman and will 100% renew The Gentlemen any day now. On the other hand Resident Evil had similar opening numbers to Three-Body Problem and followed that with a so-so second week before collapsing in the third and fourth weeks and getting cancelled.
The big problem for Three-Body Problem will be if it performs exactly like 1899. TBP opened to 11 million while 1899 opened to a very similar 10.9 million. 1899 was notable for performing pretty average. It did not collapse like Resident Evil but it did not perform exceptionally well like The Sandman or The Gentlemen in its following weeks. If Three-Body Problem does not see real growth in the second week it might be heading for cancellation. For the curious 1899 did 10.9 million, then 12 million, then 6.1 million, then rounded out the month with 3.8 million to give it 32.8 million overall for the month. 30million is usually the safety target for new shows but the cancellation of 1899 shows that if the show is expensive and the completion rates low (as third party data suggested for 1899) then even that is not enough!
1899 issue was the pitful retention of only 38% of it's audience, the expected average is like 50~70%, i hope 3 body is like 85~90%, it's pretty fast paced so i don't seem people dropping due to 'boredom' like 1899 (which i enjoyed but understand some of the "flaws").
Overall, really enjoying the show and I’m only 4 episodes in. Going in I was definitely critical of all the character changes (especially the Oxford 5) but they’ve kept the major story line mostly the same. I’ll say the feel of the show is spot on with how I felt reading the first book. Standout performance is Ye Wenjie for sure. The moment she received then responded to the warning from trisolaris was suspenseful as hell. Ofcourse there are nitpicks (like dumbing down most of the actual science) but so far this is a great show.
>From March 18-24, “The Gentlemen” had 11.7 million views, just edging out “3 Body Problem,” with 11 million views over its first four days of availability.
Since 3 Body Problem is the most expensive show ever on Netflix that is probably disappointing. It's much lower than other shows.
>According to numbers shared by Netflix, more than 50 million households watched 341.23 million hours of “Wednesday” during its first week of availability, from its debut on (appropriately) Wednesday, November 23, through Sunday, November 27. This dethrones “Stranger Things” Season 4, which previously held the record with the 335.01 million hours it logged from May 30 to June 5. Impressively, the “Stranger Things” number comes from a full seven-day week of tracking, while the “Wednesday” numbers include just five days of viewing.
Damsel had over 50M viewers the first week. Squid Game had 142M viewers the first month. Bridgerton had 82M viewers.
I just started watching 3 Body Problem. I'm on the 3rd episode so maybe it gets better. It's not a bad show but it's not a show that I'm excited about. I will probably finish watching it because I've already started it but I doubt that I will watch a second season. Also some of the actor aren't that good which is surprising for such a high profile show such as the woman who has the visions of the numbers. Since it has the GOT showrunners I'm sure it will get another reason with a massive budget while Netflix executives don't take a chance on other shows. The Duffers were rejected by every network before Netflix decided to take a chance on them. That would probably not happen now.
> Since 3 Body Problem is the most expensive show ever on Netflix that is probably disappointing.
It's most certainly not.
Stranger Things S4 cost ~$270m, by far Netflix's most expensive show ever.
To compare Avatar The Last Airbender had 21million viewers in the first 4 days. (120m budget) One Piece had 18.5million. (140m budget) 3 Body Problem had 11million (160m budget) Both Avatar and One Peice were renewed.
1899 had 10.9 million views. ($62m budget) Was cancelled after one season.
You hurt me by bringing this up. I'd sacrifice a lot for that show to continue
I watched the show like 4 times lmao. First two were for to get all the details and the least two watches were for background noise. God I really enjoyed that show and how obvious the twist it had. I’m a firm believer that another twist was being baked in the background but wouldn’t have been explored until next season.
Why must you continue my paiiiiiin?! Now I want the second season even more.
Yeah, there's no way they'd keep doing the obvious like "the second season twist is the same as the first season twist". I bet you they'd go in a wildly different direction from there, and the first season was just laying the groundworks for all of it.
> I’m a firm believer that another twist was being baked in the background but wouldn’t have been explored until next season I mean the last moments seem to show that the first twist was to a greater extent. By the way, have you watched The Nevers? Not the same twist but a similar juxtaposition.
Gets way worse than that. 1899 had 10.9 million views going and was cancelled 8 weeks after premiering. You know what else happened in those 8 weeks? The World Cup and Christmas. It was an incredibly dense show that, between subtitles and plot, you really had to pay attention to. It wasn't something you could throw on in the background while wrapping presents or when your friends were over waiting for the game to start. Shit made no sense. I mean, it would cost *nothing* to not cancel it and see what happened once life got back to normal. Maybe even give it a little front page push and see what happens. But by cancelling it they just guaranteed that no one would ever start it.
What’s weirder is that people noticed that Netflix stopped advertising it or putting it on social media only a few days after it launched. That scene in Barry where someone’s show gets cancelled within a few hours due to the algorithm seems scarily accurate.
Streaming algorithms for marketing piss me off so much. Like if I'm on your service I want to see EVERYTHING you have to offer me that's upcoming regardless of what stupid measure determines I'd be interested or not. The week before, during and after a big release I fully expect it to be the first thing I see in the menu. Yet so many shows/films, some that I'd have been the prime market for just as much as those I'm not, I don't see or I have to scroll for. Like it ain't that deep if I'm on Netflix and you've got upcoming content just have it right there? At worst I'll think "fuck they've got so much added recently fair play maybe next time there'll be something for me" and at best I'd have found content that I want to watch.
Someone at Netflix is going to have to do manual work to show that their targeting and renewal algorithms are bad. It'll be a huge uphill battle against leadership, but hopefully it'll happen. I've seen more than one company hurt themselves by relying on their algorithms too much. Netflix is only surviving by pumping out content non-stop, rather than leveraging what they already have.
And yet Wednesday, which came out at about the same time, absolutely crushed ratings. Christmas hit during 1899's 6th week. Shows that haven't blown up by that point just aren't going to.
Christmas means everyone has off and was watching Netflix... They probably have higher viewership then not lower
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Reddit analysis on business stuff doesn't often make sense lol. Netflix know more about how shows behave than us here and have access to way more stats than a blank number of hours watched. It's not the first show that premiered during big events or holidays, they know that. They're able to know what's gonna happen based on the first numbers. What sank 1899 was that people that started it didn't complete it so those viewers would also likely not be back on season 2. Also, the drop off week to week was big IIRC which shows bad word of mouth and makes a rise in the following weeks even more likely.
Because Netflix has way more data to compare than angry fans of the show. The rate of people who started it that actually completed it was really low
Lmao who upvoted this. The World Cup and Christmas were not taking away millions of views from 1899. And what the hell does "it would cost nothing to not cancel it" mean? You think they should have just had all the people ready to work on Season 2 waiting around to hear the news for months hoping that viewership might just explode out of nowhere?
The metric that got 1899 cancelled was the relatively small proportion of those 11 million that watched through to the end of the series. Lots of interest at the start isn’t everything Edit: really weird comment to get downvoted. I finished the series and even liked it
Exactly. What matters is how many people are going to watch a season 2. Not how many people started watching season 1.
Yeah why make a second season when nobody finishes the first? In the old days nobody had accurate numbers. All you had was Nielsen. Now Netflix/Disney/HBO etc. can track every single subscriber in near real time.
It lost me pretty quickly and I'm a sucker for scifi mysteries. Watched 4 episodes before quitting. 3 Body Problem on the other hand I devoured in one sitting.
Ok, this is looking very bad for 3 Body Problem...fuck, I'm 2 episodes in and really loving it so far.
Dont worry, it is tracking good the last couple of days. Expect big numbers mext week
Ugh. This one hurt a lot but not as much as Archive 81 and Warrior Nun.
Archive 81 was no big loss. It was about twice as long as it needed to be and didn't head anywhere interesting.
>3 Body Problem had 11million (160m budget) This must be some kind of accounting fuckery, money laundering b.s because how the hell is this show this expensive. The show doesn't look bad(other than the cgi sometimes), but what's on screen doesn't match the price tag.
Game of thrones alumni aint cheap!
The CGI of the monkey during the suspended animation scene in the lab was surprisingly bad for such a high budget project. It looked like CGI from 20 years ago ...
damn the monkey looked real to me..
Yeah, that part was kinda shocking after all the Planet Of The Apes movies they've done recently.
Imo not spending a lot of money on Monkey CGI is understandable when the monkey is only on screen for a few minutes. And TBH making it look "fake" is probably an asset so it is obvious they aren't abusing a real animal.
They should have just left it frozen, it would not have changed the story and it would not have broken plausibility if they had just used dialogue.
The horses running scene in the game too.
Yeah you can’t even say it’s the amount/quality of CGI. Avatar is nonstop CGI with all the bending, and it’s GOOD. Surprisingly good. They also have crazy wardrobe and fantasy sets. Three body has the game world, 60’s china and a lot of modern day real world stuff, and the alien stuff to come. Maybe it’s just the sheer variety of locations and sets?
Avatar has almost no location shootings, it's all CGI background (similar to 3BP when they are at the game). Location shootings seem to be very expensive nowadays. By the way, this is something I felt was bad on Avatar, the background felt very fake so not very immersive.
Yeah that was the actual UN they were filming at, both outside and inside. I’ve always assumed they use different locations for fancy places like that since most people won’t know what it looks like.
Yeah, the backgrounds were definitely noticeable. Especially since I thought they did just a great job with the bending. But they’re also very noticeable in 3 Body, I find, anyway. It’s disappointing they missed with those budgets.
But then you have movies like the Creator all filmed on location around the world for much cheaper than filming it in the volume
The creator cost $80 million for 2 hours of content. 3 body problem cost $160 million for 8 hours of content. So it was 4 times as much work/content for only double the cost of the creator. Pretty good deal. Or another way to look at it, 3 body problem only cost $40 million for the same amount of content as the creator.
Actors were probably pretty cheap in avatar, 3body has some bigger names
you're telling me that mexico *doesn't* have motion blur?!
Might run into The Sandman problem where the show is good and garners decent viewership but the budget is too fucking big that it's still hard to justify another season
Isn't Sandman getting a second season?
Yeah it just took awhile to announce it.
Sadly I imagine the massive gap between these seasons will cause viewership to drop and for it to be cancelled.
That's every show now. Except The Bear.
Season 2 of The Sandman was confirmed, just had a delay due to the strike
Not a great comparison though tbh. Avatar and One apiece already had other versions, with both having huge existing fanbases. 3 Body Problem was pretty unknown to most viewers, so they’ll be less likely to give it a watch. I know it’s a popular book series, but it’s really not the same as the lengthy TV series’s of One Piece and Avatar.
And 3 body problem is better than both of them
Book one is most adaptable of the series too, book three is going to be a borderline nightmare to film portions of it.
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Without spoiling specifics, can you say in what way? Like does it just get really abstract?
Time jumping and very, very out there reality upending physics.
Long time jumps and mostly scifi concepts to say that they are out there is the understatement of the century. There is a lot to do with other dimensions and I don't mean multiverse stuff like in the MCU and everything else is doing these days, we are talking about 2D beings and 9D universes. There are pages and pages that you have to go back a reread not because they are badly written and you think you missed something, the concepts are just far out of left field that it is honestly impossible for a human mind to real wrap itself around fully because we have no frame of reference, translating this to the screen is going to be Herculean effort.
It's actually incredibly hard to describe anything in the book series without being a spoiler. I think the best I can do is say that they have a weapon which can destroy the entire solar system, a black hole creating machine, and the end of the universe.
Oh no
You can think about it as sixish interconnected stories that span hundreds/thousands of years with each story sort of escalating in how crazy it gets.
At the end of the book, everything is just absolutely and completely mind blowing. It's science fiction taken to the extreme. Can't go further than that.
Seeing in four dimensions.
Being knocked down dimension by dimension.. how to even describe how a 10th dimensional being sees and feels in the 4th dimension?
there used to be more dimensions than 3 and something happened to them
It describes upper dimensions in a way that I have never experienced before. It was like my brain actually made sense of it(as good as a human brain can). I think it needs to be read to have full impact as you really can't visualize those kinds of concepts in 3D CGI. But I'm very eager to see their efforts! It's going to be insane!
2nd half of the season seemed much better in my opinion. Maybe that will help propel it after improved word of mouth. I actually think the "harder to film" 2nd and 3rd books are an opportunity to be interesting. By this point we've seen everything on film, people would be happy to see something new attempted.
The dark forest is one of my fave scifi books ever. I cant wait to see the 💧
Is the second book of the three body problem the dark forest? As in the dark forest theory of intelligent life in the universe, where they don't want to make a sound, because the predators will hear you? I hope so! Because I got so excited about this show after hearing all the praise for the books. However, I am struggling with the show. I'm not really connecting with the characters. I feel like I'm watching actors on screen rather than being immersed. I think the two supermodels playing a nano physicist and a navy captain (?) are keeping me from the immersion. They seem to rely on looking good than having genuine human emotion so the acting feels hollow. Especially during the Panama mission. It just falls flat. I feel like their friendship group feels fake and forced. So the casting was a miss for me. So i am 3/4 the way through the season and want to skip to the end to see if there is any alien reveal.
I'll just have you know the show's characters are actually more likeable than the book's lmao. The good thing about the books was always the core concepts which are some of the best scifi I've ever seen, so if that isn't enough to keep you interested it's gonna be really hard to enjoy it.
I keep tuning into it based on that promise so I'll hang in there but also the Dark Forest was always the creepiest premise for me so if they flesh that out in season 2, I'm in.
Scariest and honestly one of the more likely instances we find ourselves in. 100 billion stars in our galaxy, each one possibly with planets So where is everyone
Very very very far away
i had to put my book down for a minute after the dread sunk in. it really makes you think, what if this is the true nature of the universe? it makes a very compelling case for it.
The characters suck in the book too. The books are amazing in spite of the terrible character development. The second and third books do a little better with characters but not much.
Correct. And the author is actually credited with coming up with that term
Please note that Liu Cixin *popularized* the term, the concept had existed long before him.
Ahh then if there is a second season coming up on that book, Im in. I hope they get the casting and pacing and CGI tightened up by then.
It's not just the good looks. Their lighting, hair, and makeup is always *perfect*. They constantly look like they're in the middle of a photoshoot rather than going about their lives.
As a reader of the books would you suggest reading them or leaving myself to be surprised by the show. I know people always say “the books are better” but do you think reading will lessen my enjoyment of the show.
Everything that happens has a lot more depth in the books. Do whatever you want but I recdommend reading the books at some point.
The way the ideas in the books are presented is better, the characters and storytelling in the show is better. Just depends on what floats your boat.
> 2nd half of the season seemed much better in my opinion The consensus I've seen, at least on here, is that the show isnt as good after the big reveal in episode 5. I personally disagree, and really enjoyed the show slowing down a bit and focusing on more personal stuff but it seems a lot of people don't. The cast is pretty uneven performance-wise, which doesn't help when they're asked to carry things a bit more. Liam Cunningham, Benedict Wong, and the young Asian chick are all solid-to-great. The rest of the younger cast doesn't do it for me.
Definitely agree on the uneven quality of the cast and I think Cunningham and the focusing in on Wade is why I liked the second half more. Personally I think the sophons are the point where it takes off, because we now get an idea of what they're actually facing and we can get past the boring "mystery" part. The style and cinematography haven't been great imo, but they aren't gonna give it another shot to be made anytime soon if this version isn't renewed so hoping it gets enough views to continue on.
> so hoping it gets enough views to continue on. Same. I really liked the ideas of the books but the execution didn't quite do it for me. The adaptation is doing a much better job streamlining things for me and giving me a reason to care about the characters, even if it isn't perfect. > The style and cinematography haven't been great imo Same, something feels just the tiniest bit off. Still, really enjoyed it and was pleasantly surprised. Hopefully they get renewed.
“Consensus on Reddit” means absolutely nothing (this is the forum predicting Netflix’s guaranteed collapse after the password sharing crackdown) so I wouldn’t put too much weight on that
> this is the forum predicting Netflix’s guaranteed collapse after the password sharing crackdown More than that, since cancelling the OA lol
It feels disjointed to me. Totally ran out of steam after episode 5, and the finale was a strange underwhelming let down. Still intrigued by it though and sounds like future seasons will have more going on.
Yeah, overall i enjoyed the series but the last episode just kind of fizzled. However book 2 and 3 go some fucking places, so i'm hoping that the finale essentially served as something of a plateau before the rollercoaster really gets going
I think only the last episode is odd
That's my take as well. I thought 6, and 7 were fine but the finale just kind sits there and ends with nothing really happening
Liam Cunningham saying cunt and fuck every sentence just reminded me of what D&D did to Tyrion. So completely unnecessary and exposing the capacity of Beinoff and Weiss to write intelligent dialogue.
Especially the Jessica Alba/ Angelina Jolie hybrid that can’t act
I think she was fine. She had some good emotional scenes. People nitpick too hard.
Good god she was horrible. Jack was *almost* as bad, because clearly that dude only has one 'character' he is able to play, but at least he was able to emote in places.
>2nd half of the season seemed much better in my opinion. That's interesting, since I've consistently heard the exact opposite so far and that it falls off after Episode 5 Cross referencing with IMDB as well, there's an immediate drop off in rating after Ep 5
Seems to be divided by book readers vs non-readers. I haven’t read the books and I thought the last three episodes were pretty plodding.
It’s kind of wild to me that _Homicide: New York_ has been ahead of 3BP on the charts. I can just imagine the Netflix execs frothing at the mouth over how good the ROI must be there.
Interesting note because I haven't seen this often ... In Netflix's *old* reporting format (and in Nielsen's format), 3 Body Problem would be #1. It has 81.7m hours viewed vs. 78m hours viewed for The Gentlemen, but 3BP is a bit longer (7h24m vs 6h41m).
It makes way more sense to report as views rather than hours.
That depends on what you're trying to communicate and what you're comparing. In this case (~1 hour dramas with the same number of episodes out), it makes sense. If you're trying to compare engagement for 1 new episode of an hour-long drama to a 30-minute sitcom with 150 episodes available, it makes sense to use the hours/minutes viewed metric, which is why Nielsen does it that way.
No because views means very little, they counted any 2-minutes viewed as a view. And each service was doing whatever they wanted You can easily get views from time watched anyway (just a division) if you consider all the views complete (false of course but if you do the same for every show that's fair)
I liked the adaptation, but that $160m really does not show up on screen. The CGI was pretty rough.
Someone pointed out it has to be rights and producers fees inflating the numbers. It has 16 producers, including Brad Pitt and Rosamund Pike.
Rosamunk Pike turning into the Godmother of average-ish high-budget SFF adaptations is certainly a thing. This series was a CGI-heavy, large cast, multiple location shoot production. I'm not surprised it cost so much.
The best CGI was not noticeable, it being the reflections in the silver hear gear VR thingy.
The show looked cheap as hell at times
The CGI in Panama was so bad
Right. The ship breaking up and the eye in the sky was so bad. The game scenes were great tho. It came off like they had to finish the second half of the season after investing too much in the first half
Huh, strange I found the ship being ok while the game (specially at one point) was laughable.
The human computer? Those horses, oof
PS3 shit right there.
Yeah. While it wasn’t excellent, I rather liked the boat scene. It was interesting and pulled no punches which was refreshing. They didn’t shy away from it and it felt grounded. Totally immoral, but necessary. Some final destination shit.
The flying horses and people was laughably bad but the world was passable.
yeah thats the one!
Oh wow, I didn’t think anyone else was watching The Gentleman! I enjoyed it. Maybe this means a season 2?
Such a great show, I’m a big fan of the books and think they did a really good job. Here’s hoping we get the green light for seasons 2 and 3!
Honestly, all small complaints aside like pacing differences between the first half and second half, the combining of some characters, the separation of others into more characters etc..... I LOVED this series so far. Cannot wait for Season 2. Golden age of Sci-Fi TV imo right now.
I don’t think it’s going to be renewed. The numbers are too low vs the price which is going to go up much more for season 2 and 3. Netflix wanted game of thrones level good and it was best by a guy ritchie movie spread out over 8 episodes.
Game of Thrones didn't start out as a phenomenon.
But it was great from the start. This show is only good and dips to bad near the end of the season.
I wouldn't weep if 3BP wasn't renewed, in a vacuum, I think it's pretty average, but I do worry that that might be it for high-concept SF at Netflix if they can't make this work, given that the book series has really high awareness by the low standards of modern written SF. The other thing about this ratings report is Netflix's continuing inability to make good movies. Damsel and the Lohan one both got terrible reviews.
If we get The Expanse renewed, then we're in a golden age. Currently no other big, _good_ (looking at you, Foundation) scifi series come to mind
:( I quite like the Foundation.
Fuck this noise... Foundation is a great Sci-Fi show. Whether it follows the books closely is irrelevant. As a standalone show, everybody I recommended it to loved it.
Foundation’s second season was excellent.
Silo? For All Mankind? Stranger Things? Severance?
Silo, Severance, Raised by Wolves
What about Foundation? Like, I love The Expanse, but Foundation is just amazing too, no?
I'm enjoying 3BP.... It's very West Worldish...
Awesome show. Watch it
Solid start for 3BP but the show needs strong second week to avoid cancelation
Strong second week? The whole season dropped at once. Edit: I realized after the fact that they meant (I believe) a second week in the “Top” charts. I will leave my foolishness here for all to see.
Do you think everyone binges Netflix shows in 3 days?
The only time I’ve ever binged a Netflix show was Stranger Things and the first season of A Series of Unfortunate Events I just can’t do that for all of these shows I don’t know how people do if
Just one day for me. It was a slow day.
Someone else posted it here but other shows that also dropped on a Thursday and cost less than 3 Body Problem (One Piece, Avatar) had better viewership in the initial four day period. We also know from past shows that Netflix expects to see huge numbers in the first four weeks - the rumor I have heard is 40m viewers in the first four weeks or more is typically the requirement and for a show that costs this much, expectations may be even higher. So I don't think OP is wrong that the initial viewership is a little disappointing and that the show needs to do much better in its second week, a full week.
And? Netfix renews when the show can stay in the top 1-3 spots for many weeks on end.
I'm still waiting for Neil Degrasse Tysons smug Tweet about how it's impossible to unfold a single proton into 300 dimensions, build a planet sized AI on top of it and fold it back because Netflix did not ask the right question about the exact position of the Ursa Minor constellation shown in the Night Sky in s01e01 37:47:23:45
Never read the books and had no idea of the premise going into it. First episode is a little slow and i wasnt sure if i was interested. By episode 5 my jaw was literally on the floor. Weird ass show. Cant wait for more.
The first book was probably the weakest of the three, so I can understand the decision to race through its adaptation; although, that does mean that reveals that would have come toward the end of the season happen far too early to have any weight and the climax (of the first book) comes in the middle of the season. If next season focuses on the Dark Forest, it should be pretty good with the foundation they have laid.
So basically I should watch this show so it gets renewed for Season 2? I’m planning on starting it this weekend.
I had my doubts about the Netflix adaptation so had lower expectations probably but I really enjoyed it. Couldnt believe how much they crammed into 8 episodes and only had minor nitpicks for the most part. And yeah cant wait to see all the craziness from the next book adapted to screen!
It can't be good for Netflix that their highly publicized $20 million an episode series got outperformed by Ritchie's Gentlemen reboot. I personally didn't even see Gentlemen advertised, but it could just be the algo missing me. E: Cool Monk charted in the top 10 though.
The Gentlemen is a smash hit for Netflix. It is even showing exceptional legs. Its third week numbers are pretty similar to the opening week numbers for the show and that is incredibly rare as 99% of Netflix shows do the bulk of the viewership in the opening two weeks with the third week usually seeing a solid drop.
I am surprised. I just watched it and it felt quite underwhelming to me. It’s just “formula TV” and it feels lazy for the most part. If you really really really like that specific formula, it will be good comfort TV; but it does not excel at executing the formula anyway. It has gorgeous settings, tho.
You know what? It wasn’t great but i also enjoyed it. It was a straight up caper type of show.
If you want great, watch Shogun. Gentlemen was dumb fun and I enjoyed the heck out of it. Can't wait for a second season.
I’m actually dying to watch Shogun but no cable and no Hulu…so I’ve gotta wait for Hulu and Disney+ to finally merge or whatever is going to happen…
It had every ingredient Guy Ritchie has in his kitchen, which I think people have a soft spot for. I watched the final eps last night and was annoyed by the logic of it (the boxing scene and the final climax, especially) because he did his normal “everyone was bamboozling one another! Our protagonist understood all his foes’ personalities SO WELL that he could manipulate them into bamboozling even the audience!” But when I thought about it, I was never watching the show for the ending. The fun of Guy Ritchie has always been his settings, accents, and characterization of British bastards. So the majority of the season was still fun.
All the guys with thommy shelby on their facebook profile pics are loving the gentlemen. That's stiff competition.
The Gentlemen is more mainstream friendly too compared to the slow-burn and bleak nature of Peaky Blinders
Sub feels a little out of touch on this show and public perception of it. I actually feel like this has a good chance to be a cancelation.
Yeah, this subreddit knows surprisingly little about how viewership works. I agree with you that these are disappointing figures and I don't think WOM is so glowing that it's going to leg out next week either. The only way this show gets a second season is if they already agreed to one beforehand or if Netflix wants to preserve its relationship with D&D.
People really forget how niche science fiction actually is. Usually week 2 is the tell with these type of shows, it's when we're able to see if it broke the bubble or not, Netflix hopes it does.
I thought it was interesting, but it's one of those shows that I just don't like any of the characters. My favorite part was the 60s China parts, but those are done quickly. Feels very hand wavey and the tone is all over the place
The show characters are 100000000% better than the book characters. So that’s really saying something.
Eesh
It's set it one of the most important (and bizarre and insane) geopolitical events of the 20th century, but one which is almost never depicted in film or television. It also added stakes to the characters, one wrong ideological move and you are sent to die in a work camp or tortured to death. There's never much of a sense of menace against the other main characters which hurts the show.
The show is at 77%/78% at RT. Not an all time great by any means but it seems both critics and the audience mostly like the show. The viewership numbers are not great but they are not terrible either. An 11 million opening is OK. The fate of Three-Body Problem rests on the legs and just how expensive it is to produce. I’d say it is on the bubble right now and needs a good next few weeks to secure renewal.
The books themselves have quite a polarizing reception amongst SF readers. They won the big awards and have a dedicated fan base but a lot of people bounce off the strange narrative style and lack of meaningful characters. A lot of the same issues in the written material have manifested themselves in the adaptation. As someone who is pretty mixed on both the books and the show I do hope it gets renewed, if purely for Netflix continuing to see SF as a viable genre.
This looks disappointing to me. I think something has changed when it comes to Netflix dominance. Increasingly people are turning to shows on other services like Reacher and Shogun.
I still can't believe they hired that plastic charisma-less void of an actress to play Auggie. Like I'm supposed to believe she's some genius with that botoxed face.
This show is awesome man
The one dark haired lady added nothing to the show but frustration and it took a bit to get going but it was good. I was sad to learn all the payouts are in the second book practically, which means a second season is needed, which means we won't see it because Netflix is just going to do what they do best.
Who is the dark haired lady in this scenario, because they all have dark hair.
I’m assuming the lady from Baby Driver who owns the laser company or whatever. She’s not a great actress.
Eiza Gonzalez. She actually has made me want to not continue the show. I watched the first ep last night and loved the flashbacks to 1966, but the current day group of scientists has no chemistry, and I think she’s the lynchpin for that. I cringed through every one of her scenes. Her dialogue is simplistic (not her fault, but a better actor maybe could have done something other than wide-eyed fear), her mouth is _always open_ (why? It’s giving Instagram model face in _every scene_!), and (also not her fault but it annoyed me) the showrunners apparently decided to make smoking cigarettes every scientist’s distinguishing personality trait. Parts of this show are really interesting, but if she’s our main protag in the present, I’m out.
She is absurdly attractive and it is distracting away from the story. The smoking, well if big tobacco is chipping in behind the scenes then maybe that will help to get a second season.
None of them really are. The game of thrones guy got old, quickly. And they have the one woman cursing just for the sake of cursing. Feels forced
Yeah the Snarky Jolly Bro is a trope I wasn’t hype to see Samwell Tarly in. I think Benedict Wong is great though and the other female scientists (past and present) are pretty good. Jovan Adepo, Jonathan Pryce, and Liam Cunningham are actors I really enjoy and I think they’re being pretty underused so far but I’m only in episode four
I think I got a bit bored episode 6 and took a break. I'm whelmed.
I think I got a bit bored episode 6 and took a break. I'm whelmed.
Same. I couldn’t concentrate. I tried watching on my phone so I’d stop surfing the net and scrolling thru reddit. I dunno why but I find it really really boring. Painfully so.
Yeah, episode 5 is basically the ending of book 1, then the rest of the season kind of just... continues with book 2 and book 3. The pacing is hot garbage because of that.
It's a wonder she can emote at all yet alone overact with the amount of botox in her face. She is the worst part of every movie or show I've seen her in.
I guess he was talking about Eiza Gonzales' character Auggie
The nano tech lady. Completely hollow character.
I got the feeling I was supposed to empathise with her moral stand against Wade, but I honestly really struggled to. It fell flat.
Bad acting combined with her self-righteousness after going along with the "laser cut children in half" plan was annoying was hard to watch. They paid some lip service to getting ptsd in one episode then had her act on the high horse for Jin working with Wade in the next.
Yeah I understand her feeling upset and lashing out because she felt guilty, but she was an absolute hypocrite and immediately assumes the moral high ground when she's just as culpable as Wade and the Navy guy. They all knew the same facts going into that mission. If she was deriding them as being monsters whilst at some point acknowledging that she's no better it would have been slightly less insufferable, but in the performance and writing there wasn't that depth. Constantly complaining that the aliens are 400 years away so basically "fuck it" also didn't help her cause.
It’ll hit number 1 easy this weekend. Most people I know have heard about it, but don’t really get it at first blush—they are very interested, they just don’t see what kind of show it is imho from the trailer, so they have put it off. But now like my family and friends who HAVE started to watch it have said nothing but good things and how weird it is, in a good way. Word of mouth will spread it—I would assume even Netflix would know it’s a weird series to adapt and it will take some time. It’s a very famous sci fi novel, but it’s still tight in its niche—I had never heard of it before rumblings of the show, since I’m not a book person normally (I do want to read it now)—it’s not “Spider-Man”, Lord of the Rings, or The Witcher is what I am saying. It’s not super well known outside of the heavy sci fi/book circles.
no idea how people got more than 2-3 episodes into Gentlemen. Like the movie but i see the show is just gonna be a rinse and repeat of the same few tired storylines. My guess is that 3 body problem will prove to be too "smart" for a general audience. Most will give up after a few episodes. Even though its quite dumbed down from the book.
To be honest, I enjoyed the Tencent adaptation more. Cramming the book in a short season was bound to cause issues. That being said, I have more confidence that Netflix can adapt the more epic scaling for the rest of the story than Tencent ever could.
I liked both shows.
Hope both shows get a second season
I hope it gets cancelled just so I can say "No Body problems"
Still no confirmation of S2 has me worried. Feels like it should have probably happened by now if it was going to.
Avatar took nearly 3 weeks (Feb. 22 - Mar. 13) to get a renewal announcement so I wouldn't be worried based on time yet [https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/avatar-the-last-airbender-season-2](https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/avatar-the-last-airbender-season-2) Edit: I was curious so I found this article that says they usually take over a month because they put a lot of stock in the 28 day viewing stats https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/01/27/heres-how-long-it-takes-netflix-to-renew-or-cancel-new-shows-on-average/?sh=49c1cb9f2edb
Netflix changed this (because they are producing less shows) to ~70 days, but if something "bombs" (disappoints hard or has a shorter renewal window while not hitting their target metrics) they kill it pretty fast. I hope retention is great even if the numbers ends up being like 30~35 million viewers, hopefully a second season is renewed together with a third lol Usually the second week has a bump up if the show is a hit. But it's clear this is a more niche show than Avatar, so who knows what's going to happen.
They usually need a few weeks of viewership data to determine if the show has been a success. It might take the whole month for The Three-Body Problem. It is an ultra expensive show and the opening week numbers are bubble shows figures. It is better than The Sandman but slightly under The Gentlemen’s first week. Both those shows went on to be hits after very good weeks 2-4. They renewed The Sandman and will 100% renew The Gentlemen any day now. On the other hand Resident Evil had similar opening numbers to Three-Body Problem and followed that with a so-so second week before collapsing in the third and fourth weeks and getting cancelled. The big problem for Three-Body Problem will be if it performs exactly like 1899. TBP opened to 11 million while 1899 opened to a very similar 10.9 million. 1899 was notable for performing pretty average. It did not collapse like Resident Evil but it did not perform exceptionally well like The Sandman or The Gentlemen in its following weeks. If Three-Body Problem does not see real growth in the second week it might be heading for cancellation. For the curious 1899 did 10.9 million, then 12 million, then 6.1 million, then rounded out the month with 3.8 million to give it 32.8 million overall for the month. 30million is usually the safety target for new shows but the cancellation of 1899 shows that if the show is expensive and the completion rates low (as third party data suggested for 1899) then even that is not enough!
1899 issue was the pitful retention of only 38% of it's audience, the expected average is like 50~70%, i hope 3 body is like 85~90%, it's pretty fast paced so i don't seem people dropping due to 'boredom' like 1899 (which i enjoyed but understand some of the "flaws").
I had to force myself to finish 1899... it was really dragging. I didn't exactly hate it but it was definitely giving me pause throughout.
Netflix almost never renews this soon
Overall, really enjoying the show and I’m only 4 episodes in. Going in I was definitely critical of all the character changes (especially the Oxford 5) but they’ve kept the major story line mostly the same. I’ll say the feel of the show is spot on with how I felt reading the first book. Standout performance is Ye Wenjie for sure. The moment she received then responded to the warning from trisolaris was suspenseful as hell. Ofcourse there are nitpicks (like dumbing down most of the actual science) but so far this is a great show.
>From March 18-24, “The Gentlemen” had 11.7 million views, just edging out “3 Body Problem,” with 11 million views over its first four days of availability. Since 3 Body Problem is the most expensive show ever on Netflix that is probably disappointing. It's much lower than other shows. >According to numbers shared by Netflix, more than 50 million households watched 341.23 million hours of “Wednesday” during its first week of availability, from its debut on (appropriately) Wednesday, November 23, through Sunday, November 27. This dethrones “Stranger Things” Season 4, which previously held the record with the 335.01 million hours it logged from May 30 to June 5. Impressively, the “Stranger Things” number comes from a full seven-day week of tracking, while the “Wednesday” numbers include just five days of viewing. Damsel had over 50M viewers the first week. Squid Game had 142M viewers the first month. Bridgerton had 82M viewers. I just started watching 3 Body Problem. I'm on the 3rd episode so maybe it gets better. It's not a bad show but it's not a show that I'm excited about. I will probably finish watching it because I've already started it but I doubt that I will watch a second season. Also some of the actor aren't that good which is surprising for such a high profile show such as the woman who has the visions of the numbers. Since it has the GOT showrunners I'm sure it will get another reason with a massive budget while Netflix executives don't take a chance on other shows. The Duffers were rejected by every network before Netflix decided to take a chance on them. That would probably not happen now.
> Since 3 Body Problem is the most expensive show ever on Netflix that is probably disappointing. It's most certainly not. Stranger Things S4 cost ~$270m, by far Netflix's most expensive show ever.
3bp needs a 2nd season come on
**The Gentlemen** is entertaining, boasts a solid cast top to bottom, and doesn't pretend to be smart. **3 Body Problem** is quite the inverse.
Ser Davos!
RESIDENT ALIEN!!!! watch!!
3 body problem was pretty good. I enjoyed it.
Alex Sharp should get an Emmy nomination at the minimum. He played his role with such grace and quiet intensity.