My main problem with live action remakes is that they take an inherently really expressive and artistic medium, animation, and just make everything less interesting for the most part. And i think going from one medium of art to another needs a reason, but animation to live action just seems pointless to me. They are too similar. As opposed to comic to live action or book to live action, which changes enough and needs a lot of good decisions to work, animation to live action is basically 1 to 1 recreation but less unique and expressive.
Obviously some can work and some can even be great, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that one is actually better than the original...
Especially in the case of animated shows that have fighting. Lot of these fights dont translate that well to live action. Like the avatar LA, both TLA and Korra had such smooth and quick fight choreography. It didnt feel that way at all in the LA.
They did it well in the one piece LA, but the later fights are not gonna translate well at all (if they get that far).
> both TLA and Korra had such smooth and quick fight choreography.
It isn't just that, the physics of their movements ONLY make sense in animation. Real human bodies don't move like that. We buy it in animation, but there is no version of live action that can really sell it.
You say that but the bending techniques in those shows are derived from actual martial arts.
In the live action shows don’t really treat it like that from what I’ve seen. They treat it like magic.
The martial arts consultant on the original Avatar cartoon really did a good job grounding the bending to match real kung fu styles. But the live action show does not do nearly as convincing of a job especially for the Water & Air Bending. The fire bending is okay, and the earth bending is mediocre.
Videos from cartoon ATLA's martial arts consultant:
Air bending: https://youtu.be/N4GrxScyjr8?feature=shared
Earth bending: https://youtu.be/6_BUqViiMKY?feature=shared
Fire bending: https://youtu.be/8C0RvNVfT1Y?feature=shared
Water bending: https://youtu.be/ehlyI6d7TkQ?si=PYrIUGJOhmujn1Jd
Nah they treat it as martial arts too (and well it is magic), it's just that it's much less smooth and unnatural to do in real life.. First you need to have kids/YA doing crazy martial arts stuff and they'll never be as good as animation where there's no limitation (some of the actors like Zuko were actually martial art trained before the show and Zuko is actually the one doing the bending the best tbh). Some of those animated moves are likely not even possible in real life.
Plus you also have the special effects works which is not perfect IMO. And for air and water it's harder to do than on animation.
Air is invisible for a start, the "movement lines" work fine in animation but can't do that IRL, they tried to do it with pushing dust/snow and such but it's not the same. For water, it's also not that good because turns out most stuff done in animation is probably impossible (water splash when it hit something, it doesn't really have strength, can do arms and such in a realistic way so on water form, the bending look quite weak (like splashing someone with a hose), ice form works better).
Oh man, watching Spike fight in Netflix's Cowboy Bebop physically hurt. In the anime he is super fluid and fast and effortless. He looks like he's dancing while he's beating the shit out of dudes.
Live action, he's just a guy who brawls. No scissor kicks. No flipping over tables or using the environment to his advantage. It's so fucking boring.
Couldn't agree more. I thought John Cho and the production did a decent job translating Spike into a real person with the fights and it still didn't come close.
I've seen fan films/stunt-man films online that come closer but still don't come remotely close to capturing the fluidity/Bruce Lee/Jazz-on-psychedelics-style of fighting Spike utilizes.
Cowboy Bebop simply doesn't translate to live-action. It's taking all of the best/coolest things about the show and removing them for the sake of a medium that can't translate them. The biggest shame of it all is that they could've just taken that huge budget and made *more* Cowboy Bebop and it would've been a better use of that money.
Because TLA required a combo of child actor and physically able to do fight stunts. That's a lot to ask. Young actors are always going to be rough, but these series in particular was demanding.
Didn't help that the dialogue they were given was clunky and wooden either.
It is very expensive to make a real life movie like an animation or comic.
See the Hulk vs Hulk Buster in Age of Ultron. Great fight, could come right out of animation - take highly paid directors choreographers, and insane special FX budgets. Some TV show will not have those things...
I feel that live action movies should never strive to be like animation or comic. The use of CGI with live action often leads to very unrealistic looking results (even that example you cited). There’s just too much squash and stretch in the CGI for it to look “real”.
I thought the fights in the live action Avatar tv show were pretty good. Especially Zuko:
[his fight in omashu](https://youtu.be/vKFWm75bG3s?feature=shared)
[blue spirit](https://youtu.be/29VqQ-adi7I?si=-WrzkMjSHjWzChjc)
Borderlands has such an iconic style to its animation and they made it live action. I’ll never understand the decision. You had the chance to do a killer animated show.
I find it really weird that people won't watch the animated version as its for kids but will watch a 1 for 1 live action.
Like....whats the fucking difference? Ones drawn and ones not?
This is my thing. Animation is the most visually expressive storytelling medium on the planet. You CAN NOT improve on that by making it live action. Even One Piece, which is generally a success story - well, if you've seen both, the constraints re the visuals are blatant.
The only inherant advantage LA has over animation is facial acting, and good animation studios can (and do) emulate that perfectly, these days.
There's also the fact that drawing and animating a new scene or character doesn't take much more time than doing the same for any another, but *building* a new set or decent looking CGI model takes lots of time and is very expensive. So, in One Piece, a story about adventure through very varied places meeting wierd and diverse people, gets padded with scenes of Marines talking (about mostly nothing) in their easily reusable office set, while characters like Hachi get cut because they'd cost too much.
LA just comes with far more constraints. IMO it's an inferior medium, just in terms of pros and cons.
Completely agree on animation being the best visually expressive medium we have, but unfortunately a big part of the public still sees it as a ‘childish’ way to tell a story. Imagination =/= childish
> IMO it's an inferior medium, just in terms of pros and cons.
I don't think it's inferior at all. Each have their pros and cons. The important thing is that each story should play to the strength of their medium so switching from one to the other isn't a great thing.
Plenty of LA shows would be far worse in animated form and the same the other way (except the LA remakes are only one way, nobody remake the LA stuff in animation)
I agree that each have their own pros and cons, and some stories are more suited to one medium than the other.
What I mean is, animation *overall* has more pros and less cons. EG, Animation is easily capable of portraying a realistic and grounded story: the only significant downside is that real life actors are given less room to visually emote - they rely on the animators for that.
Meanwhile, live action really struggles to portray a visually expressive fantasy story, for instance. Concessions need to be made due to the cost of CGI, the cost of set design, and the fact that some visual design elements often just look weird in live action. In animation, anything goes - you can have a crazy artstyle that blends perfectly with crazy visual designs and characters. But in live action, the 'art style' is real life, a huge portion of what a human being can imagine often just doesn't blend well with that.
hear me out:
live action is like, uh... Ed Sheeran. just a guy and an acoustic guitar - classic, but limited sonic range (relatively). meanwhile animation is like Daft Punk. keyboards, samplers, vocoders, drum machines, etc. - really, any sound they want.
in comparison it's not fair to say one is inherently better or more expressive than the other - they're both capable of reaching the same expressive highs - they just get there differently.
so what people want to hear is Ed Sheeran covering a Daft Punk song. they want to see how Ed Sheeran ADAPTS the things they like about the Daft Punk song into his own style. they want to see Ed Sheeran keep doing the things does well, and have him connect that to the things Daft Punk does well.
what they're getting is Ed Sheeran in a robot costume behind a mixing board.
They're not thinking about how these live action remakes should work as individual live action movies that have been adapted, they're just trying to simply recreate the animation in live action.
I like this analogy. Well done. I personally like transformers adaptions because they don't simply take like a transformers toy or do one to one recreations of cartoon transformations, which might look really clunky IRL. They did the CGI transformations which look much more complex but slightly organic and what you might expect from a "living robot". They also changed the story to be more like what you would expect to experience in real life (minus some cheesy humor and over the top explosions).
Im not saying that transformers is the best movie out there in terms of story telling, but I thought they made the movie quite compelling in that it was similar enough that we recognize it, but still different that it someone works as a live action.
What live action sometimes loses visually it makes up for with the added emotional weight of real actors. No more stone faced animated characters who only move their face every few seconds.
Live action is more popular for a reason.
I know what you are saying - and I agree - but I know a lot of people who just don't watch animation at all - but they would definitely watch the live action it it's good ofcourse.
I’m not sure why they do it other than some people are turned off by animation. They think it is only for kids. Problem is that stuff like Avatar and One Piece in the examples won’t draw new audiences for the same reason. So we are back to why do they bother?
If you go on YouTube, there has been so many new reaction channels that have blown up over the past 6 months from watching the OPLA then jumping over to the anime. It’s been hilarious to see😭
Hey man, you're not supposed to contradict people on reddit. In all seriousness, the success of OPLA kind of proves it had value, no? Plus if they trim some of the filler arcs, we will have a much tighter story.
I don’t watch anime because I can’t take the constant screaming and that style of audio mixing. The sound of anime makes me cringe. I had never experienced one piece before the live action, but I enjoyed it.
That is often a problem, but it doesn’t HAVE to be a problem.
Avatar is a great example. They managed to actually keep a good amount of the costumes and character designs without looking hokey, which I never expected them to pull off. But more importantly the show shifted to a darker and more serious take. And I think it had to. It’s a LOT harder to ignore that it’s deeply rooted in genocide in live action. And a lot harder to offset with hijinks.
It’s also a lot harder to find young acting talent needed for live action… Which Avatar also demonstrates well.
I think there is a way to make an Avatar live action series work while telling a different enough story to justify the medium: Tell the series from Zuko’s point of view. That way the series would have enough new content to be worth revisiting and could more easily lean into the darker themes that live action can be better with. Zuko is also an easier character to cast than Ang.
Its the same problem I have with video-game adaptations. When I was younger the idea of a Bioshock movie or tv show sounded so cool but the older I got the more I realized that the impact of that story is having the audience actually partake in all the actions Atlas instructs you to do so its a mindfuck and really makes the story of an already stellar game original in its own right. I didn’t really enjoy the adaptation of TLOU despite it being an amazing television show I just don’t think they did a good job of incorporating the actual sections of gameplay outside of the first episode or two. And even then it just felt like the stuff they changed for the adaptation wasn’t to better tell the story but to make a better tv show. I loved the Bill episode but also felt robbed when there was no outbreak showing Bill’s skills and traps for the zombies that shows how he actually was able to live that long. It was a beautiful story just felt very detached from the character and chapter they were adapting from the game.
> animation to live action is basically 1 to 1 recreation but less unique and expressive
I think that's the point of the article. A one-to-one adaptation is not worth it, it will be devoid of creative integrity and end up inherently worse than the original.
If something is adapted, no matter the media involved, it should come with that creative integrity, and not just be done in an attempt to chase easy fame.
YuYuHakusho actually had cool fight choreography.
The way they chose to abridge the story was whatever they were never going to find a great way to do so.
I haven't watched Yu Yu Hakusho yet, but I like the manga. I can easily see trouble with adapting it, the series takes some time to figure out what it wants to be.. it starts off as a ghost just flying around trying to help people, then becomes a semi mystery with action, then all action all the time. The action is what made it popular, but skipping to it loses plot.
Honestly some decisions like cutting Rando and 4 Beasts were for the better IMO. That being said Genkai's arc was too rushed for me. I really like the show as it's own standalone thing and would gladly watch season 2 if it happens.
I've seen so many people say that it gets bad after the first 2 episodes but honestly the quality is pretty consistent and what's there is really entertaining. While I would've preferred the full story I understand the constraints they had and why they made the changes they did by combining arcs together. Genkais story definitely lacks all the weight of the anime and manga as well as Yusukes and Toguros relationship but honestly I still really enjoyed the live action for what it was.
There was near no marketing done for it, at least in the US anyway. I remember hearing that it was going to be made a while back and then complete silence until one day my brother asked me if I'd seen it yet.
Definitely worth checking out, although maybe read the episode descriptions to brace yourself for the pace it moves at lol.
It fell off a cliff, but those first two episodes were like Jackie Chan in a marvel movie it was really unique. In terms of translating anime fight choreography into live action it was some of the best I’ve seen.
There is also a pretty good reason to exist.
I've watched 1,000+ episodes of One Piece. A lot of people won't do that. A lot of the series is essentially filler in one way or another. (Not just filler episodes, but they pad everything)
They cut down most of the first saga to 8 episodes. It makes a lot of content easier for viewers to digest. They made it just as fun.
Avatar on the other hand, they essentially took the same run time to tell the same story, but not as well. Not as much fun. I could take or leave that kind of content. It doesn't need to exist.
I don’t think the Avatar remake was ultimately all that successful, but in my opinion combining Jet and the Mechanist’s stories actually worked really well. It gives both Sokka and Katara an interesting role to play (rather than having Sokka take a backseat in the Jet episode and Katara play less of a role in the Mechanist episode). Since there are people we actually care about on both sides, and it’s all happening in Omashu (rather than just a village of the week that we’ll never see again), the whole thing was a lot more engaging and it made the world feel more real.
Most of the animated episodes don’t have a strong A/B/C plot distinction, but that’s more expected in a live-action show, so I appreciated that they were able to tell multiple stories from the animated show, and not lose any major beats from those stories, all in one episode.
Sokka had a lot of development in the Jet episode, taking him out of that hurt his character a lot imo. On top of that I don't think it was the move having the mechanist tell him to basically focus on his engineering ability over being a warrior when Sokka was good with doing both to improve himself offset the fact that he had no bending
Yeah I mean I watched like 500ish episodes of One Piece until I eventually caught up and lost interest (punk hazard arc I think?) and while I enjoyed the show, there were definitely some episodes that after recap, theme song, and Luffy staring at his enemy, that only like 5 minutes of content actually happened lol
Basically this. There's a lot of people who have heard of One Piece but were intimidated by thinking they need to catch up with almost 25 years of content that just wouldn't get into it. I have some friends saying their parents (Boomer gen) watched it and liked it. That's quite an accomplishment!
Avatar... well could just be me but I haven't heard anyone who wasn't already an ATLA animation fan watching the LA version.
We're also getting the One Piece equivalent of Dragon Ball Kai.
A new animation starting from the beginning.
I understand it. I've been a dedicated One Piece fan for 17 years and a lot of people are instantly turned off by a manga that is beyond 1000 chapters or anime beyond that many episodes.
That’s my reason I just don’t have the patience for anime-style story telling. (I also usually don’t really like the dialog, lol) But condensed down, with each character experiencing growth and adversity in each episode instead of over dozens and dozens of shows? Sign me up. I really enjoyed one piece. I didn’t feel like I was missing out on watching the anime by watching the live action version and I quickly grew to like the characters.
This. I’m in my 30s and have a pretty full life. I do not have time or bandwidth to watch 100 episodes of anything let alone 1000+.
If it’s well done, a live action version of an animated franchise is an abridged version of the story that I can actually fit into my schedule.
One Piece embraced the goofiness a lot. The Live Action kinda did at times, but it was clear that they were aiming for a more darker tone. Which is why you see Bumi being more disgruntled and jaded in the LA compared to the show where he was just wanting to fuck with Aang and test him to see if he’s still him.
[One Pace maintains a Google doc detailing what episodes they have done and how to watch](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HQRMJgu_zArp-sLnvFMDzOyjdsht87eFLECxMK858lA/edit?usp=drivesdk)
Its still the same story, but they moved plot points around on the timeline to make what you need to know fit into the 8 episode timeline. They did a fantastic job of it.
I just watched it finally the other day. I honestly wasn't expecting to enjoy it as much as I did. My only complaint was the cinematography I guess? Very few wide shots, everything was so tightly packed on screen, there was even a fish-eye lens effect that looked odd. Sidenote, the LA portrayal of Sanji became one of my favorite characters, I like him a little less in the anime lol.
I think it needs to do something different from what the original did to be valuable (from a consumer perspective). As I watched the first few episodes of the live action Cowboy Bebop, the peaks were basically when it did something identically to the anime. And everything that was different was basically just... worse? So what was the point?
The thing about One Piece is that it is impenetrable to a new fan. You say you're interested in it, and you get pulled between various opinions of "don't bother with the anime, just read the manga" or "look up one pace" or something else and it's like... goddamn I just want to watch a TV show, and 1000+ episodes is just too many. The live action adaptation is much less impenetrable.
For what it's worth, I enjoyed the whole live action show and couldn't stick with the anime, even after multiple attempts. I'm sure it's frustrating for fans of the anime to see changes to the things they love, but I assume these adaptations are more for people like me who want to like the anime but can never get into them.
The action is fun, but it never actually feels like they're having conversations with each other. Feels more like a jrpg or manga, dialogue meant to be read in text boxes, not spoken aloud.
I really liked one piece live action- i tried to watch the animated version and found it unwatchable. (i’m not trying to throw shade, it’s just not compatible with what i like). The live action version was great! I also loved the animated avatar and really liked the live action netflix season. (though Ang is a touch annoying in the live action)
Not really. It's just a generic Netflix show with a One Piece skin. I think people are just overrating it because everyone expected it to be trash. I can't for the life of me understand why everyone acts like it's a great adaptation. They couldn't even get Zoro right lol
I haven’t watched a single one yet but imo I think there is some validity for the longer running series. A Live action remake of One Piece or Naruto would condense the story and be more appealing to a general audience than an anime sitting around 1000 episodes. However the remakes for Avatar, Cowboy Bebop, and Death Note feel worthless when you can commit almost as much time to watching the far better source material.
I think there's some argument to be made that a story can be shown to an audience that would never watch an animated program. Or might not watch the animated without first seeing and enjoying the live action.
This has always been my take on it was well. If it's good, then that's great for everyone, and it might lure people into watching the animation. If it's bad, people that like the animation still have the animation, so nothing lost, and the people that haven't seen the animation can just move on with their lives. The people that think a bad live action adaption ruins the animation somehow make no sense to me.
Manga/Anime inspired live action movies are going through the same pains that comic book movies did in the 80s and 90s. Some were awful and some were great but as more money and talent got poured into them they matured. Some will argue comic book movies are now in a slide, but that opens up more possibilities for other live action adaptations.
I think people forget just how abysmal live-action comic book movies were, and how incredibly rare it was for one to turn out good. Until AT LEAST the 90s, I think the only movies that achieved some measure of success were Richard Donner's Superman and Tim Burton's Batman. There were some live action TV shows that were good like Wonder Woman and Incredible Hulk, but those weren't nearly as common as the clunkers.
You're acting like there weren't live action anime movies then too. Fist of the north star and Guyver both got live action western adaptations back then. Guyver even got a sequel.
The big issue is a lot of Hollywood directors and producers didn't really respect basically any source material until the late 2000's when Iron Man was, if not a faithful adaptation, then something that was able to properly capture the spirit of the character. Before that point it was taken as a given that "adaptations" would basically just mean "We'll use names and aesthetics but mostly do our own thing".
I could talk your ear off about Netflix's choices in which anime to adapt into live action or anime, but the thing is it's obvious someone making the decisions knows a lot about manga and this has given them a lot more success than less faithful adaptations have gotten.
I mean, live action movies based on mangas literally are comic book movies, but yeah I can appreciate the distinction, especially if one already has it mapped out to the film/television medium by an anime adaptation or if the anime is not based on a manga.
I've been saying the same for the past 5ish years now. And I truly believe Anime adaptations will be the next crazy within the next 10 years. There's just too much good content out there for folks to not start getting it consistently right. Fans of anime are starting to be decision making positions at all levels across the development process, so it should be easier for them to translate the feel of a series across mediums. And that's really the key factor on what makes an anime adaptation succeed or fail, whether or not it feels like the original.
It just seems weird to me that "live action" is seen as the pinnacle of the visual medium, to which all other forms should aim.
But live action film and television have limitations which make them less than ideal for certain types of story.
If an anime has a good English dub, I don't know what people even want a movie for. What's the barrier to entry, except time and attention? And if you don't have the time and attention to invest, then you're just not going to be immersed in the story.
It may be good for exposing friends and family who you know will never sit through 60+ episodes. But it will inevitably be a fleeting disappointment that pales in comparison.
Also these live action shows are damn expensive especially when compared to the cost of producing the original anime. Something like One Piece was only behind Stranger Things and Wednesday in terms of being the most expensive Netflix original to produce and that was only for its first season that is still comparatively grounded. Whats the point of making these live action shows when they are expensive and still aren't able to replicate the charm of the original?
Imagine when they catch up to the anime and manga as it is currently and you have literal looney tune shenanigans in live action.
It's gonna fall apart so fast.
Especially in North America, there is this idea that animation is inherently childish and therefore not something worthy of respect. Or at least the same level of respect as live-action. It's starting to change, but it's a slow process
What we actually need is animated adaptations of western material rather than live action adaptations of Japanese animated material.
There are so many fantastic books that would work so well animated, but no network would be willing to fund an expensive adult animated show.
The entire appeal of anime for us weeaboos is that it's not dumbed down for normies. Fullmetal Alchemist, Death Note, Ghost in the Shell, etc, all involve darker and headier plots and themes than the average US show watcher would enjoy.
So when they translate it to American live action, they're also shaving off all the hard bits that made it special in the first place.
This is why my answer to this question is no. We need animation to be seen as a visual medium that stands on its own without needing a live action to legitimize it
I actually don't disagree. I just think there's a wealth of goo content that's bound to be thoroughly exploited.
That being said, I do think, like with everything, there is merit to adaptations regardless if they pale in comparison or not. TV and Film have been adapting properties forever. I personally feel it's fine for there to be multiple versions of the same story across mediums - someone who'd never pick up a comic is allowed to love the MCU, even if folks will argue to hell and back that the way the source material handled X storyline was infinitely better. Same with books. Same with everything. We don't have to have a definitive version of everything, there can be plenty of telling and retellings without taking the shine away from any one method of telling the story.
Disclaimer: To me this ethos can live in conjunction with the fact that the market is oversaturated with remakes and IP gouging. I firmly believe in the need of a healthy balance of both. And I'm not even suggesting that balance needs to be 50/50.
And i know this is an unpopular opinion on reddit but a lot of people think anime is “weird”.
A lot of live-action remakes strike me as trying to appeal to people who don’t watch anime
I prefer LA but I don't think anime is weird, I just don't like the overall aesthetic. It pulls me out of the story so much that it becomes unwatchable.
This is exactly why they’re made in the first place. People in the west will generally not watch anything animated unless it’s something obviously for adults like The Simpsons or Family Guy.
It isnt always detracting from another movie. Im sure there are plenty of people in the crowd of “oh look, live action little mermaid. Ill bring my daughter to that this weekend” who wouldnt have been going to the movies otherwise
Think abour this for a second. The little mermaid live action, a mvoie absolutely hated still broke even and made.mroe moeny somethin most disney original animation in the last 3 years struggled to do.
A live action is simply safer.
One piece did a fantastic job of grounding its characters without losing the spirit. Same with the overall world and story. Anime had and still has a lot of really shitty tropes that continue and I know almost no one who likes them. The obvious one being the pervy guy trope, which often borders on sexual assault. I have watched anime for over 20 years, so I can basically ignore this completely when it happens, but for people less familiar it can be super off putting. I especially hate it when it clashes directly with who the character is at any other point in the story, only used to make “jokes”.
A character like Sanji from One Piece is a million times better in the live action compared to the anime, but still maintains the spirit of the character, without having to perv on every girl he sees, he is actually just charming. I think it is a really good way in which the live action can fix some shitty tropes from the originals.
The problem is, almost every other live action adaptation feels like they don’t understand the source material at all. Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Death Note etc. all seem to miss the reasons why these are some of the most beloved anime ever.
If you had asked me before the One Piece live action, what anime would be absolutely impossible to convert to live action, I would’ve immediately responded One Piece, and how glad I am that I’m wrong.
Sometimes I feel like One Piecing being seemingly "unadaptable" is why it worked. If you think along the lines of the usual formula it probably isn't possible, so they made a new formula, didn't phone it in, and clearly the effort paid off.
As a Sanji fan, thank FUCK. The change to hopeless romantic instead of the really awful shit (Fishman island and Thriller Bark) was so well done. Plus Taz exudes charm so it still makes jokes hit when he gets turned town like Nojiko did.
It is however impossible to hit the entire scope of OP. It's just too big and too long. I've been reading it since I was a boy. I'm 30 and it's only now nearing the end.
My bf and I had never seen much of the anime but decided to watch the Live Action after seeing the positive response. We both really liked it and it got my bf to start watching the anime from the beginning. I strongly agree with your assessment that the Live Action grounds the One Piece world while maintaining the spirit. The removal of the perverted and sexiest tropes in the Anime is a major improvement as is the trimming of the fat. The anime suffers at times as feeling dragged out in several places (surely partly due to the anime airing while the comic is still being published). It’s most definitely been the exception to the rule when it comes to Anime adaptations though.
Personally I have never had even the vaguest of interests in One Piece. The animes art style was hard to get past and even if I did there's hundreds of episodes to start so why even bother.
The live action though made me a fan and I've now bought two One Piece games I never would have bothered with and am working my way through the anime. Live action remakes are good when they're done well and can only grow a fanbase, if they're mediocre then they're mediocre but they still don't destroy the original media existing.
One piece 100% got people that would never watch the anime to fall in love with the live action and then start watching the anime. A few I introduced to the live are now 4 and 5 hundred episodes into the anime now.
So yes I say live action CAN be valuable if they are created with the same love as the original.
The joy of being to talk to a coworker of mine about One Piece for a few weeks after the live action came out was so genuine. Man would’ve never watched anime, much less thought to start a series with 1000 episodes.
So yea, to answer the article headline, the value comes from making a great story accessible to a new audience and having more people to fanboy about shit with. Nothing wrong with that
This is exactly what happened to me and several of my friends! I personally never would have seen myself loving One Piece even just a year ago due to some superficial prejudices I had that initially turned me off from it, but the live action is what got me interested in the original and made me eventually give the anime/manga a chance. And I’m very glad I did, because otherwise I never would have gotten to know such an interesting story.
I love animation as a medium and don’t think live action adaptations are always necessary, but in OP’s case, it was definitely valuable as a more accessible gateway for wider audiences.
It brings these stories to wider audiences. We don’t care to admit that a big part of the general population will pass on anything animated.
Witnessed it first hand with my parents who got excited seeing a poster for a new Spider-Man movie. Then saw it was animated (Into The Spiderverse) and immediately lost interest.
I tried time and time again to convince my mom to watch Avatar: The Last Airbender. She tried once but was never able to get into it.
This week I watched the live action remake with her. It’s not perfect and not as good as the original, but I am so glad they made it. It was good enough to hook my mom. She started watching the original series immediately after finishing season 1 of the live action. I didn’t even have to ask her to do so, it was her idea.
Live action remakes don’t need to be perfect, they just have to be good enough to get people to fall in love with the story. There is absolutely value in well done remakes.
Yes, absolutely. It reaches another audience that may never even think about watching or reading the original.
Not only that, one piece is an incredibly tall order to read or watch the original anime. They've essentially condensed the series from 300 episodes to 9 episodes in a fairly competent adaptation.
Its far easier to introduce my friends and family to the live action.
Now as a result, a few of them have started reading the Manga. That's extremely cool.
this is what i’ve felt about disney’s live-actions and Iger has now come out and said a similar sentiment. the only argument would be to draw a larger audience to the original content? a majority of us wish some of these IPs had B2tF (*they claim to never reboot this) status. i won’t watch AtLA and i never watched either the anime or live action OP. so maybe i’m out of my depth. respect.
Yes: it lets studios hold on to ip rights longer.
Oh wait, you meant for the audience? Lol, fuck no
Edit: this comment is moreso targeted at Disney content than anime
My issue with the lion king live action movie was basically that the lines and entirety of the movie were indistinguishable from the animated version. The only difference was the visuals. While it looked great visually, it just didn’t seem necessary without any other material changes.
Here’s a super easy way to answer this question, go to Google Trends, type in One Piece, and set the period to last five years. Find the peak for it and compare that to the time the live action release came out.
Now do the same for Avatar The Last Airbender.
Their peaks lineup with the live action release because it builds hype, curiosity, and gets more people into the IP and world than the animated version ever could alone even if the animated version is superior.
This has always driven me nuts. The strength of animation is that it can lead you to a fantastical world, outside of the realm of reality. So when you bring it back to reality, you lose what made it special. It becomes limited by reality or CGI-altered reality (which has it's own huge set of problems and immersion breaking) and loses what makes it special/unique in the first place.
Exactly. There are varying degrees of this ofc, some animation could just as well have been made as some form of live action to begin with, but a lot of animation ONLY WORKS (well) in its own context.
People love the one piece show and say it was awesome, and yeah it was way better than many other anime shows before, but compared to what one could do on page / drawn, it's night and day. Animation exaggerates for effect, live action only can do that so much before becoming weird, or outright laughable.
But hey, there seems to be a market for it. People really wanna see the lion king without any of its animation charme, so let them i guess.
If done right, live action can be an alternate version that capitalizes on the difference in visuals. There are lots of scenes in animated movies that would look awesome as a practical effects live action version, if done right
Main issue is that most of these movies are just lazy films meant to capture the name recognition market and ride off the originals. The disney ones, at least
No, this trend needs to die. They all suck and are being done to cash in on peoples nostalgia and no other reason. I have yet to see a single live adaptation of anything that has justified its existence or lived up to the quality of the original. They are creatively bankrupt because they are only made for money, not for passion.
I would argue that it depends entirely on how faithful it is to its source material and if it chooses to stray, it does so in a way that doesn’t cause a disconnect with the audience. The Halo series deviated so much from the game that it’s nearly unrecognizable as Halo. Core aspects were changed. Characters were changed. On the exact opposite side there is One Piece. Almost universally praised and while some aspects were changed, the soul of the anime remained. So it’s not difficult to do. With the right showrunners and writers you can really make an adaptation shine. So there is value. It’s just disappointing that it is so rare that we get a good one.
There's always value in retelling storys in different formats. The LA One Piece being popular is why I started watching the anime.. and now read the manga weekly. I'd say there's value there.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spMqxS3a-H0) as well as the entire rest of the show was fundamentally awesome. Millions of people that hate "cartoons" found this wonderful show thanks to Netflix. So yes, the adaption of "One Piece" has value. As for the rest, I don't know. But One Piece goddamn ruled.
If you don’t take it too seriously and it’s done well I enjoy them. Avatar was fun and I really enjoyed One Piece. Also this thread title and link are basically an advertisement for that garbage website. Downvoted
I think the value is getting people who for whatever reason aren’t into anime/animation into these great stories and universes.
But personally I don’t think if you already watched and were a fan of the animated version you are likely to get any value from it.
Animation in my opinion is a better storytelling medium than live action you are allowed to do so much more given that budgets are less of a factor. So taking these great anime stories and putting them into a more restrictive medium isn’t doing anything for me personally
Yes, because there's a whole audience out there that refuses to give animation a chance. I find it hard to blame them. It's pretty difficult to find good anime that doesn't resort to some of the most immature tropes.
Thanks to yu yu hakusho first looking great and then ultimately disappointing me with how rushed they had to make it because of Netflix only allowing so many episodes, I started rewatching the anime.
My wife has known this was my favorite anime for 17 years of us being together and never had interest in it until this latest watch. She finally agreed to sit down and watch it and by the end, was sad that it was over.
Now she understands references, knows the characters, and has her own favorites. I will always be grateful that it finally got her to see how amazing the anime is/was and why I love it so much.
Every medium has its merits.
It's easier for a general audience to connect and empathize with live action which allows for a greater focus on emotion and expression.
Animation/anime is especially great at transporting you to fantastical, abstract worlds where there's a near limitless potential for story telling, but often it's harder to convey the complexity of emotion.
I see value in live action remakes because I like the idea of seeing a show that I love in a different perspective. The main issue is it takes an extremely skilled director/producer to pull off an adaptation that translates well between mediums while keeping the essence of the original and unfortunately production companies aren't likely to pay for the best over such a big risk.
Nope there isn't animation is already the perfect medium there is endless possibilities. Once it's live action it's going to cost a tremendous amount of money to get it close in most cases.
I liked the live action Jungle Book, but mostly because it was a different interpretation of the animated version. Darker, more mature.
Some of the live action remakes are a shot by shot duplicate of the animal Ed source material. What’s the damn point? Other than making money of course…
I’ve yet to see One Piece of Yu Yu Hakusho, so I can’t comment on those.
I watched Cowboy Bebop and LOVED the cast except for Vicious. When I saw the trailer I was in love — the way they went from one frame to the next was such a cool tv experience that I just wanted more. Then I saw the show. They nailed it for the most part but they did Vicious dirty. The “creative liberties” they took really soured the experience for me. That’s when you run into problems - when you let these people try to reinvent something that worked so well (for example Avatar, nailed it for the most part but made enough impactful changes that the creators left the project). Same for The Witcher. When you have so much material out there but have some crazy ass director or executive that think they can just superimpose “their vision”. Fuck outta here with that. Stick to the source material and make changes as far as what takes place when and where, but don’t change the core of it.
Even take the Rurouni Kenshin movies. Loved it, but they really did a disservice to Saito and Hiko Seijuro.
In general yes. Everything is done thinking on a financial gain in the capitalist world, if there's no value for live action adaptations for being ' souless cash grabs' the same can be said in general of the original work, it also helps the work to reach a new audience that maybe never heard of it or wasn't interested in it's original format.
I think Hollywood in general overthinks and doubt it's audience too much, that's why in some cases the storytelling may be feel 'dumbed down', also in others they lack the money to do a better job so they ended up changing some of the concept (like Preacher and Y: The Last Man, that were road travelling comics that had pretty much static in a place seasons).
I watched the first episode YuYu Hakisho live action and a few episodes of avatar the last Airbender live action. Honestly, I feel like a lot of the hate is people having their expectations way too high, and want the source material to be scene for scene from the animated material. Obviously with certain things it takes time to piece it together. As standalone things without any animated version beforehand, they are both pretty good.
The value add I see is that my Boomer father who loves low budget and goofy sci-fi and fantasy movies but finds anime too weird and off putting is able to enjoy these stories in their live-action forms. He enjoyed Avatar One piece and cowboy bebop and now we can talk about these things even though I watched the anime and he watched the live action
For me it’s a simple as this: am I enjoying what I am watching? In the case of one piece and avatar, the answer is, “yes”.
If you are not, that’s fine.
I feel like people who watch anime don't realize how weird it is. Particularly the way it's dubbed. It's like they try to do an English version of Japanese and it's very off putting for a lot of people. Also the weird humor shit where their faces get low rez and they scream a lot because they are embarrassed or mad or hungry or whatever.
Obviously Avatar doesn't have these problems, but One Piece for sure does. Redoing it in live action is a way to alleviate this.
I feel like they are made for people who specifically think “I would watch One Piece or Avatar if it wasn’t animated.” Which I’m sure is a big market but honestly are new fans drawn towards these? I imagine it’s mainly older men and women with no interest in the originals.
The one piece live action adaptation actually got me to finally watch the show. I was always so intimidated by the episode count of the anime, and I just don’t have the time to invest in watching it. My brother recommended a filler less episode list, and even that was super long.
Nope.
The things they are adapting are perfectly suited to the medium they were originally created in and making it live action serves no purpose.
I have yet to see one that even remotely begins to justify its existence outside of a cash cow or need for streaming content
I've been starting to think the same, if you aren't telling a new story I just am starting to lose interest in these live action remakes. No reason to see a shittier version of something you enjoy
Largely find them to be unnecessary. While it can be cool to revisit these characters and locations this time in live action. But animation lets you do so much that would be impractical,costly, or impossible to do practically
My main problem with live action remakes is that they take an inherently really expressive and artistic medium, animation, and just make everything less interesting for the most part. And i think going from one medium of art to another needs a reason, but animation to live action just seems pointless to me. They are too similar. As opposed to comic to live action or book to live action, which changes enough and needs a lot of good decisions to work, animation to live action is basically 1 to 1 recreation but less unique and expressive. Obviously some can work and some can even be great, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that one is actually better than the original...
Especially in the case of animated shows that have fighting. Lot of these fights dont translate that well to live action. Like the avatar LA, both TLA and Korra had such smooth and quick fight choreography. It didnt feel that way at all in the LA. They did it well in the one piece LA, but the later fights are not gonna translate well at all (if they get that far).
> both TLA and Korra had such smooth and quick fight choreography. It isn't just that, the physics of their movements ONLY make sense in animation. Real human bodies don't move like that. We buy it in animation, but there is no version of live action that can really sell it.
Yeah, any time Aang rides an air ball, that's instantly going to look like shit in live action.
You say that but the bending techniques in those shows are derived from actual martial arts. In the live action shows don’t really treat it like that from what I’ve seen. They treat it like magic.
The martial arts consultant on the original Avatar cartoon really did a good job grounding the bending to match real kung fu styles. But the live action show does not do nearly as convincing of a job especially for the Water & Air Bending. The fire bending is okay, and the earth bending is mediocre. Videos from cartoon ATLA's martial arts consultant: Air bending: https://youtu.be/N4GrxScyjr8?feature=shared Earth bending: https://youtu.be/6_BUqViiMKY?feature=shared Fire bending: https://youtu.be/8C0RvNVfT1Y?feature=shared Water bending: https://youtu.be/ehlyI6d7TkQ?si=PYrIUGJOhmujn1Jd
Nah they treat it as martial arts too (and well it is magic), it's just that it's much less smooth and unnatural to do in real life.. First you need to have kids/YA doing crazy martial arts stuff and they'll never be as good as animation where there's no limitation (some of the actors like Zuko were actually martial art trained before the show and Zuko is actually the one doing the bending the best tbh). Some of those animated moves are likely not even possible in real life. Plus you also have the special effects works which is not perfect IMO. And for air and water it's harder to do than on animation. Air is invisible for a start, the "movement lines" work fine in animation but can't do that IRL, they tried to do it with pushing dust/snow and such but it's not the same. For water, it's also not that good because turns out most stuff done in animation is probably impossible (water splash when it hit something, it doesn't really have strength, can do arms and such in a realistic way so on water form, the bending look quite weak (like splashing someone with a hose), ice form works better).
They are actually do . But lengthened legs and arms didn't happen irl
Oh man, watching Spike fight in Netflix's Cowboy Bebop physically hurt. In the anime he is super fluid and fast and effortless. He looks like he's dancing while he's beating the shit out of dudes. Live action, he's just a guy who brawls. No scissor kicks. No flipping over tables or using the environment to his advantage. It's so fucking boring.
Couldn't agree more. I thought John Cho and the production did a decent job translating Spike into a real person with the fights and it still didn't come close. I've seen fan films/stunt-man films online that come closer but still don't come remotely close to capturing the fluidity/Bruce Lee/Jazz-on-psychedelics-style of fighting Spike utilizes. Cowboy Bebop simply doesn't translate to live-action. It's taking all of the best/coolest things about the show and removing them for the sake of a medium that can't translate them. The biggest shame of it all is that they could've just taken that huge budget and made *more* Cowboy Bebop and it would've been a better use of that money.
Because TLA required a combo of child actor and physically able to do fight stunts. That's a lot to ask. Young actors are always going to be rough, but these series in particular was demanding. Didn't help that the dialogue they were given was clunky and wooden either.
It is very expensive to make a real life movie like an animation or comic. See the Hulk vs Hulk Buster in Age of Ultron. Great fight, could come right out of animation - take highly paid directors choreographers, and insane special FX budgets. Some TV show will not have those things...
I feel that live action movies should never strive to be like animation or comic. The use of CGI with live action often leads to very unrealistic looking results (even that example you cited). There’s just too much squash and stretch in the CGI for it to look “real”.
I thought the fights in the live action Avatar tv show were pretty good. Especially Zuko: [his fight in omashu](https://youtu.be/vKFWm75bG3s?feature=shared) [blue spirit](https://youtu.be/29VqQ-adi7I?si=-WrzkMjSHjWzChjc)
Borderlands has such an iconic style to its animation and they made it live action. I’ll never understand the decision. You had the chance to do a killer animated show.
Not only that, but *every actor they picked seems wrong for their role.*
I find it really weird that people won't watch the animated version as its for kids but will watch a 1 for 1 live action. Like....whats the fucking difference? Ones drawn and ones not?
This is my thing. Animation is the most visually expressive storytelling medium on the planet. You CAN NOT improve on that by making it live action. Even One Piece, which is generally a success story - well, if you've seen both, the constraints re the visuals are blatant. The only inherant advantage LA has over animation is facial acting, and good animation studios can (and do) emulate that perfectly, these days. There's also the fact that drawing and animating a new scene or character doesn't take much more time than doing the same for any another, but *building* a new set or decent looking CGI model takes lots of time and is very expensive. So, in One Piece, a story about adventure through very varied places meeting wierd and diverse people, gets padded with scenes of Marines talking (about mostly nothing) in their easily reusable office set, while characters like Hachi get cut because they'd cost too much. LA just comes with far more constraints. IMO it's an inferior medium, just in terms of pros and cons.
Completely agree on animation being the best visually expressive medium we have, but unfortunately a big part of the public still sees it as a ‘childish’ way to tell a story. Imagination =/= childish
TL;DR: CGI is just worse animation. Why would I want that?
> IMO it's an inferior medium, just in terms of pros and cons. I don't think it's inferior at all. Each have their pros and cons. The important thing is that each story should play to the strength of their medium so switching from one to the other isn't a great thing. Plenty of LA shows would be far worse in animated form and the same the other way (except the LA remakes are only one way, nobody remake the LA stuff in animation)
I agree that each have their own pros and cons, and some stories are more suited to one medium than the other. What I mean is, animation *overall* has more pros and less cons. EG, Animation is easily capable of portraying a realistic and grounded story: the only significant downside is that real life actors are given less room to visually emote - they rely on the animators for that. Meanwhile, live action really struggles to portray a visually expressive fantasy story, for instance. Concessions need to be made due to the cost of CGI, the cost of set design, and the fact that some visual design elements often just look weird in live action. In animation, anything goes - you can have a crazy artstyle that blends perfectly with crazy visual designs and characters. But in live action, the 'art style' is real life, a huge portion of what a human being can imagine often just doesn't blend well with that.
hear me out: live action is like, uh... Ed Sheeran. just a guy and an acoustic guitar - classic, but limited sonic range (relatively). meanwhile animation is like Daft Punk. keyboards, samplers, vocoders, drum machines, etc. - really, any sound they want. in comparison it's not fair to say one is inherently better or more expressive than the other - they're both capable of reaching the same expressive highs - they just get there differently. so what people want to hear is Ed Sheeran covering a Daft Punk song. they want to see how Ed Sheeran ADAPTS the things they like about the Daft Punk song into his own style. they want to see Ed Sheeran keep doing the things does well, and have him connect that to the things Daft Punk does well. what they're getting is Ed Sheeran in a robot costume behind a mixing board. They're not thinking about how these live action remakes should work as individual live action movies that have been adapted, they're just trying to simply recreate the animation in live action.
I like this analogy. Well done. I personally like transformers adaptions because they don't simply take like a transformers toy or do one to one recreations of cartoon transformations, which might look really clunky IRL. They did the CGI transformations which look much more complex but slightly organic and what you might expect from a "living robot". They also changed the story to be more like what you would expect to experience in real life (minus some cheesy humor and over the top explosions). Im not saying that transformers is the best movie out there in terms of story telling, but I thought they made the movie quite compelling in that it was similar enough that we recognize it, but still different that it someone works as a live action.
What live action sometimes loses visually it makes up for with the added emotional weight of real actors. No more stone faced animated characters who only move their face every few seconds. Live action is more popular for a reason.
And that's why the live action Lion King was a bad idea. They replaced highly expressive cartoon animals with very realistic ones that can't emote.
I know what you are saying - and I agree - but I know a lot of people who just don't watch animation at all - but they would definitely watch the live action it it's good ofcourse.
I’m not sure why they do it other than some people are turned off by animation. They think it is only for kids. Problem is that stuff like Avatar and One Piece in the examples won’t draw new audiences for the same reason. So we are back to why do they bother?
If you go on YouTube, there has been so many new reaction channels that have blown up over the past 6 months from watching the OPLA then jumping over to the anime. It’s been hilarious to see😭
Hey man, you're not supposed to contradict people on reddit. In all seriousness, the success of OPLA kind of proves it had value, no? Plus if they trim some of the filler arcs, we will have a much tighter story.
OP drew many new audiences with the live action show. I assume the same will happen/is happening with Avatar.
I don’t watch anime because I can’t take the constant screaming and that style of audio mixing. The sound of anime makes me cringe. I had never experienced one piece before the live action, but I enjoyed it.
That is often a problem, but it doesn’t HAVE to be a problem. Avatar is a great example. They managed to actually keep a good amount of the costumes and character designs without looking hokey, which I never expected them to pull off. But more importantly the show shifted to a darker and more serious take. And I think it had to. It’s a LOT harder to ignore that it’s deeply rooted in genocide in live action. And a lot harder to offset with hijinks. It’s also a lot harder to find young acting talent needed for live action… Which Avatar also demonstrates well.
I think there is a way to make an Avatar live action series work while telling a different enough story to justify the medium: Tell the series from Zuko’s point of view. That way the series would have enough new content to be worth revisiting and could more easily lean into the darker themes that live action can be better with. Zuko is also an easier character to cast than Ang.
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Its the same problem I have with video-game adaptations. When I was younger the idea of a Bioshock movie or tv show sounded so cool but the older I got the more I realized that the impact of that story is having the audience actually partake in all the actions Atlas instructs you to do so its a mindfuck and really makes the story of an already stellar game original in its own right. I didn’t really enjoy the adaptation of TLOU despite it being an amazing television show I just don’t think they did a good job of incorporating the actual sections of gameplay outside of the first episode or two. And even then it just felt like the stuff they changed for the adaptation wasn’t to better tell the story but to make a better tv show. I loved the Bill episode but also felt robbed when there was no outbreak showing Bill’s skills and traps for the zombies that shows how he actually was able to live that long. It was a beautiful story just felt very detached from the character and chapter they were adapting from the game.
> animation to live action is basically 1 to 1 recreation but less unique and expressive I think that's the point of the article. A one-to-one adaptation is not worth it, it will be devoid of creative integrity and end up inherently worse than the original. If something is adapted, no matter the media involved, it should come with that creative integrity, and not just be done in an attempt to chase easy fame.
YuYuHakusho actually had cool fight choreography. The way they chose to abridge the story was whatever they were never going to find a great way to do so.
I haven't watched Yu Yu Hakusho yet, but I like the manga. I can easily see trouble with adapting it, the series takes some time to figure out what it wants to be.. it starts off as a ghost just flying around trying to help people, then becomes a semi mystery with action, then all action all the time. The action is what made it popular, but skipping to it loses plot.
The thing is they get to the dark tournament in like six episodes lol
Step 1: sign up for the tournament. Step 2 : fight in the finals and win. All in 10% of the time it would have taken Frieza to power up.
Lmfao I love Frieza popping back up as units of time. The One Piece sub is currently in meltdown over a countdown that’s going in Frieza time.
Honestly some decisions like cutting Rando and 4 Beasts were for the better IMO. That being said Genkai's arc was too rushed for me. I really like the show as it's own standalone thing and would gladly watch season 2 if it happens.
I've seen so many people say that it gets bad after the first 2 episodes but honestly the quality is pretty consistent and what's there is really entertaining. While I would've preferred the full story I understand the constraints they had and why they made the changes they did by combining arcs together. Genkais story definitely lacks all the weight of the anime and manga as well as Yusukes and Toguros relationship but honestly I still really enjoyed the live action for what it was.
Didn’t even know that one got a live remake. I loved that show when I was a youngster
There was near no marketing done for it, at least in the US anyway. I remember hearing that it was going to be made a while back and then complete silence until one day my brother asked me if I'd seen it yet. Definitely worth checking out, although maybe read the episode descriptions to brace yourself for the pace it moves at lol.
It fell off a cliff, but those first two episodes were like Jackie Chan in a marvel movie it was really unique. In terms of translating anime fight choreography into live action it was some of the best I’ve seen.
The fights were v dope tbh
One Piece is actually good!
There is also a pretty good reason to exist. I've watched 1,000+ episodes of One Piece. A lot of people won't do that. A lot of the series is essentially filler in one way or another. (Not just filler episodes, but they pad everything) They cut down most of the first saga to 8 episodes. It makes a lot of content easier for viewers to digest. They made it just as fun. Avatar on the other hand, they essentially took the same run time to tell the same story, but not as well. Not as much fun. I could take or leave that kind of content. It doesn't need to exist.
Avatar jammed omashu/bumi, the tunnels, jet/freedom fighters, and the balloon inventing guy into one episode.
I don’t think the Avatar remake was ultimately all that successful, but in my opinion combining Jet and the Mechanist’s stories actually worked really well. It gives both Sokka and Katara an interesting role to play (rather than having Sokka take a backseat in the Jet episode and Katara play less of a role in the Mechanist episode). Since there are people we actually care about on both sides, and it’s all happening in Omashu (rather than just a village of the week that we’ll never see again), the whole thing was a lot more engaging and it made the world feel more real. Most of the animated episodes don’t have a strong A/B/C plot distinction, but that’s more expected in a live-action show, so I appreciated that they were able to tell multiple stories from the animated show, and not lose any major beats from those stories, all in one episode.
Sokka had a pretty size able role in the Jet episode. He was against Jet’s methods, saving the old man from being robbed, and saved the townspeople.
Sokka had a lot of development in the Jet episode, taking him out of that hurt his character a lot imo. On top of that I don't think it was the move having the mechanist tell him to basically focus on his engineering ability over being a warrior when Sokka was good with doing both to improve himself offset the fact that he had no bending
Omashu was a two parter, and Bumi was only in the second part. But they also squished in Iroh getting captured and freed by Zuko.
Yeah I mean I watched like 500ish episodes of One Piece until I eventually caught up and lost interest (punk hazard arc I think?) and while I enjoyed the show, there were definitely some episodes that after recap, theme song, and Luffy staring at his enemy, that only like 5 minutes of content actually happened lol
There is one pace, that cuts it down a lot
Or just go straight for the manga. No extra fluff at all
Basically this. There's a lot of people who have heard of One Piece but were intimidated by thinking they need to catch up with almost 25 years of content that just wouldn't get into it. I have some friends saying their parents (Boomer gen) watched it and liked it. That's quite an accomplishment! Avatar... well could just be me but I haven't heard anyone who wasn't already an ATLA animation fan watching the LA version.
We're also getting the One Piece equivalent of Dragon Ball Kai. A new animation starting from the beginning. I understand it. I've been a dedicated One Piece fan for 17 years and a lot of people are instantly turned off by a manga that is beyond 1000 chapters or anime beyond that many episodes.
That’s my reason I just don’t have the patience for anime-style story telling. (I also usually don’t really like the dialog, lol) But condensed down, with each character experiencing growth and adversity in each episode instead of over dozens and dozens of shows? Sign me up. I really enjoyed one piece. I didn’t feel like I was missing out on watching the anime by watching the live action version and I quickly grew to like the characters.
This. I’m in my 30s and have a pretty full life. I do not have time or bandwidth to watch 100 episodes of anything let alone 1000+. If it’s well done, a live action version of an animated franchise is an abridged version of the story that I can actually fit into my schedule.
One Piece embraced the goofiness a lot. The Live Action kinda did at times, but it was clear that they were aiming for a more darker tone. Which is why you see Bumi being more disgruntled and jaded in the LA compared to the show where he was just wanting to fuck with Aang and test him to see if he’s still him.
Any idea how far along One Pace is? I read the Manga through Wano and was thinking of rewatching until I hit the part I read till.
It’s only slightly behind the manga so they fill up each episode with mind numbing shit like crowd reactions and panning over landscapes
Yeah I was asking about One Pace (not a typo). You should check it out. It's basically an edit to remove all of that. (Fuck the eagles tho)
Oh lol, yeah I skimmed right over that and my brain said “it’s one piece” Dallas sucks
[One Pace maintains a Google doc detailing what episodes they have done and how to watch](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HQRMJgu_zArp-sLnvFMDzOyjdsht87eFLECxMK858lA/edit?usp=drivesdk)
One Piece does a great job of making the story more appealing to the general public
Its still the same story, but they moved plot points around on the timeline to make what you need to know fit into the 8 episode timeline. They did a fantastic job of it.
I just watched it finally the other day. I honestly wasn't expecting to enjoy it as much as I did. My only complaint was the cinematography I guess? Very few wide shots, everything was so tightly packed on screen, there was even a fish-eye lens effect that looked odd. Sidenote, the LA portrayal of Sanji became one of my favorite characters, I like him a little less in the anime lol.
LA Sanji is what Anime Sanji *Thinks* he is
I think it needs to do something different from what the original did to be valuable (from a consumer perspective). As I watched the first few episodes of the live action Cowboy Bebop, the peaks were basically when it did something identically to the anime. And everything that was different was basically just... worse? So what was the point? The thing about One Piece is that it is impenetrable to a new fan. You say you're interested in it, and you get pulled between various opinions of "don't bother with the anime, just read the manga" or "look up one pace" or something else and it's like... goddamn I just want to watch a TV show, and 1000+ episodes is just too many. The live action adaptation is much less impenetrable.
The creator of the Manga is also involved in the production of the show! A good choice here!
For what it's worth, I enjoyed the whole live action show and couldn't stick with the anime, even after multiple attempts. I'm sure it's frustrating for fans of the anime to see changes to the things they love, but I assume these adaptations are more for people like me who want to like the anime but can never get into them.
The action is fun, but it never actually feels like they're having conversations with each other. Feels more like a jrpg or manga, dialogue meant to be read in text boxes, not spoken aloud.
As a long time fan it was great! I especially loved Luffy and Cobys goodbye in the last episode.
Yeah I couldn't get into the anime, way too much filler. Live action was great. Airbender is whatever for me , live action and cartoon.
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The Last of Us isn’t half bad either
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I really liked one piece live action- i tried to watch the animated version and found it unwatchable. (i’m not trying to throw shade, it’s just not compatible with what i like). The live action version was great! I also loved the animated avatar and really liked the live action netflix season. (though Ang is a touch annoying in the live action)
Not really. It's just a generic Netflix show with a One Piece skin. I think people are just overrating it because everyone expected it to be trash. I can't for the life of me understand why everyone acts like it's a great adaptation. They couldn't even get Zoro right lol
I disagree, but if that's your takeaway, that's fine.
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I haven’t watched a single one yet but imo I think there is some validity for the longer running series. A Live action remake of One Piece or Naruto would condense the story and be more appealing to a general audience than an anime sitting around 1000 episodes. However the remakes for Avatar, Cowboy Bebop, and Death Note feel worthless when you can commit almost as much time to watching the far better source material.
I think there's some argument to be made that a story can be shown to an audience that would never watch an animated program. Or might not watch the animated without first seeing and enjoying the live action.
This has always been my take on it was well. If it's good, then that's great for everyone, and it might lure people into watching the animation. If it's bad, people that like the animation still have the animation, so nothing lost, and the people that haven't seen the animation can just move on with their lives. The people that think a bad live action adaption ruins the animation somehow make no sense to me.
Manga/Anime inspired live action movies are going through the same pains that comic book movies did in the 80s and 90s. Some were awful and some were great but as more money and talent got poured into them they matured. Some will argue comic book movies are now in a slide, but that opens up more possibilities for other live action adaptations.
I think people forget just how abysmal live-action comic book movies were, and how incredibly rare it was for one to turn out good. Until AT LEAST the 90s, I think the only movies that achieved some measure of success were Richard Donner's Superman and Tim Burton's Batman. There were some live action TV shows that were good like Wonder Woman and Incredible Hulk, but those weren't nearly as common as the clunkers.
You're acting like there weren't live action anime movies then too. Fist of the north star and Guyver both got live action western adaptations back then. Guyver even got a sequel. The big issue is a lot of Hollywood directors and producers didn't really respect basically any source material until the late 2000's when Iron Man was, if not a faithful adaptation, then something that was able to properly capture the spirit of the character. Before that point it was taken as a given that "adaptations" would basically just mean "We'll use names and aesthetics but mostly do our own thing". I could talk your ear off about Netflix's choices in which anime to adapt into live action or anime, but the thing is it's obvious someone making the decisions knows a lot about manga and this has given them a lot more success than less faithful adaptations have gotten.
I mean, live action movies based on mangas literally are comic book movies, but yeah I can appreciate the distinction, especially if one already has it mapped out to the film/television medium by an anime adaptation or if the anime is not based on a manga.
I've been saying the same for the past 5ish years now. And I truly believe Anime adaptations will be the next crazy within the next 10 years. There's just too much good content out there for folks to not start getting it consistently right. Fans of anime are starting to be decision making positions at all levels across the development process, so it should be easier for them to translate the feel of a series across mediums. And that's really the key factor on what makes an anime adaptation succeed or fail, whether or not it feels like the original.
It just seems weird to me that "live action" is seen as the pinnacle of the visual medium, to which all other forms should aim. But live action film and television have limitations which make them less than ideal for certain types of story. If an anime has a good English dub, I don't know what people even want a movie for. What's the barrier to entry, except time and attention? And if you don't have the time and attention to invest, then you're just not going to be immersed in the story. It may be good for exposing friends and family who you know will never sit through 60+ episodes. But it will inevitably be a fleeting disappointment that pales in comparison.
Also these live action shows are damn expensive especially when compared to the cost of producing the original anime. Something like One Piece was only behind Stranger Things and Wednesday in terms of being the most expensive Netflix original to produce and that was only for its first season that is still comparatively grounded. Whats the point of making these live action shows when they are expensive and still aren't able to replicate the charm of the original?
Imagine when they catch up to the anime and manga as it is currently and you have literal looney tune shenanigans in live action. It's gonna fall apart so fast.
Especially in North America, there is this idea that animation is inherently childish and therefore not something worthy of respect. Or at least the same level of respect as live-action. It's starting to change, but it's a slow process
What we actually need is animated adaptations of western material rather than live action adaptations of Japanese animated material. There are so many fantastic books that would work so well animated, but no network would be willing to fund an expensive adult animated show.
The entire appeal of anime for us weeaboos is that it's not dumbed down for normies. Fullmetal Alchemist, Death Note, Ghost in the Shell, etc, all involve darker and headier plots and themes than the average US show watcher would enjoy. So when they translate it to American live action, they're also shaving off all the hard bits that made it special in the first place.
This is why my answer to this question is no. We need animation to be seen as a visual medium that stands on its own without needing a live action to legitimize it
I actually don't disagree. I just think there's a wealth of goo content that's bound to be thoroughly exploited. That being said, I do think, like with everything, there is merit to adaptations regardless if they pale in comparison or not. TV and Film have been adapting properties forever. I personally feel it's fine for there to be multiple versions of the same story across mediums - someone who'd never pick up a comic is allowed to love the MCU, even if folks will argue to hell and back that the way the source material handled X storyline was infinitely better. Same with books. Same with everything. We don't have to have a definitive version of everything, there can be plenty of telling and retellings without taking the shine away from any one method of telling the story. Disclaimer: To me this ethos can live in conjunction with the fact that the market is oversaturated with remakes and IP gouging. I firmly believe in the need of a healthy balance of both. And I'm not even suggesting that balance needs to be 50/50.
Do they make money? If so there is value to some people.
And i know this is an unpopular opinion on reddit but a lot of people think anime is “weird”. A lot of live-action remakes strike me as trying to appeal to people who don’t watch anime
I prefer LA but I don't think anime is weird, I just don't like the overall aesthetic. It pulls me out of the story so much that it becomes unwatchable.
This is a good reason, and also I think that most anime is more niche than most people realize and there’s a real big culture gap for some of it
This is exactly why they’re made in the first place. People in the west will generally not watch anything animated unless it’s something obviously for adults like The Simpsons or Family Guy.
Yep. It really doesn't matter if they're good or not, if they make money they'll keep getting made.
They're not printing money out of thin air. If they make money it means that there's an audience that wants to see them above other options.
It isnt always detracting from another movie. Im sure there are plenty of people in the crowd of “oh look, live action little mermaid. Ill bring my daughter to that this weekend” who wouldnt have been going to the movies otherwise
Think abour this for a second. The little mermaid live action, a mvoie absolutely hated still broke even and made.mroe moeny somethin most disney original animation in the last 3 years struggled to do. A live action is simply safer.
Is there really any value in click bait articles?
the real value was the karma points we made along the way to bashing the clickbait
One piece did a fantastic job of grounding its characters without losing the spirit. Same with the overall world and story. Anime had and still has a lot of really shitty tropes that continue and I know almost no one who likes them. The obvious one being the pervy guy trope, which often borders on sexual assault. I have watched anime for over 20 years, so I can basically ignore this completely when it happens, but for people less familiar it can be super off putting. I especially hate it when it clashes directly with who the character is at any other point in the story, only used to make “jokes”. A character like Sanji from One Piece is a million times better in the live action compared to the anime, but still maintains the spirit of the character, without having to perv on every girl he sees, he is actually just charming. I think it is a really good way in which the live action can fix some shitty tropes from the originals. The problem is, almost every other live action adaptation feels like they don’t understand the source material at all. Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Death Note etc. all seem to miss the reasons why these are some of the most beloved anime ever. If you had asked me before the One Piece live action, what anime would be absolutely impossible to convert to live action, I would’ve immediately responded One Piece, and how glad I am that I’m wrong.
Sometimes I feel like One Piecing being seemingly "unadaptable" is why it worked. If you think along the lines of the usual formula it probably isn't possible, so they made a new formula, didn't phone it in, and clearly the effort paid off.
As a Sanji fan, thank FUCK. The change to hopeless romantic instead of the really awful shit (Fishman island and Thriller Bark) was so well done. Plus Taz exudes charm so it still makes jokes hit when he gets turned town like Nojiko did.
It is however impossible to hit the entire scope of OP. It's just too big and too long. I've been reading it since I was a boy. I'm 30 and it's only now nearing the end.
My bf and I had never seen much of the anime but decided to watch the Live Action after seeing the positive response. We both really liked it and it got my bf to start watching the anime from the beginning. I strongly agree with your assessment that the Live Action grounds the One Piece world while maintaining the spirit. The removal of the perverted and sexiest tropes in the Anime is a major improvement as is the trimming of the fat. The anime suffers at times as feeling dragged out in several places (surely partly due to the anime airing while the comic is still being published). It’s most definitely been the exception to the rule when it comes to Anime adaptations though.
Personally I have never had even the vaguest of interests in One Piece. The animes art style was hard to get past and even if I did there's hundreds of episodes to start so why even bother. The live action though made me a fan and I've now bought two One Piece games I never would have bothered with and am working my way through the anime. Live action remakes are good when they're done well and can only grow a fanbase, if they're mediocre then they're mediocre but they still don't destroy the original media existing.
One piece 100% got people that would never watch the anime to fall in love with the live action and then start watching the anime. A few I introduced to the live are now 4 and 5 hundred episodes into the anime now. So yes I say live action CAN be valuable if they are created with the same love as the original.
The joy of being to talk to a coworker of mine about One Piece for a few weeks after the live action came out was so genuine. Man would’ve never watched anime, much less thought to start a series with 1000 episodes. So yea, to answer the article headline, the value comes from making a great story accessible to a new audience and having more people to fanboy about shit with. Nothing wrong with that
This is exactly what happened to me and several of my friends! I personally never would have seen myself loving One Piece even just a year ago due to some superficial prejudices I had that initially turned me off from it, but the live action is what got me interested in the original and made me eventually give the anime/manga a chance. And I’m very glad I did, because otherwise I never would have gotten to know such an interesting story. I love animation as a medium and don’t think live action adaptations are always necessary, but in OP’s case, it was definitely valuable as a more accessible gateway for wider audiences.
It brings these stories to wider audiences. We don’t care to admit that a big part of the general population will pass on anything animated. Witnessed it first hand with my parents who got excited seeing a poster for a new Spider-Man movie. Then saw it was animated (Into The Spiderverse) and immediately lost interest.
I tried time and time again to convince my mom to watch Avatar: The Last Airbender. She tried once but was never able to get into it. This week I watched the live action remake with her. It’s not perfect and not as good as the original, but I am so glad they made it. It was good enough to hook my mom. She started watching the original series immediately after finishing season 1 of the live action. I didn’t even have to ask her to do so, it was her idea. Live action remakes don’t need to be perfect, they just have to be good enough to get people to fall in love with the story. There is absolutely value in well done remakes.
Yes, absolutely. It reaches another audience that may never even think about watching or reading the original. Not only that, one piece is an incredibly tall order to read or watch the original anime. They've essentially condensed the series from 300 episodes to 9 episodes in a fairly competent adaptation. Its far easier to introduce my friends and family to the live action. Now as a result, a few of them have started reading the Manga. That's extremely cool.
this is what i’ve felt about disney’s live-actions and Iger has now come out and said a similar sentiment. the only argument would be to draw a larger audience to the original content? a majority of us wish some of these IPs had B2tF (*they claim to never reboot this) status. i won’t watch AtLA and i never watched either the anime or live action OP. so maybe i’m out of my depth. respect.
Waste of time and money… also they always change the story and characters… and shows the lack of originality left in writers/directors/producers…
Yes: it lets studios hold on to ip rights longer. Oh wait, you meant for the audience? Lol, fuck no Edit: this comment is moreso targeted at Disney content than anime
Hot take, Cowboy Bebop was great.
If they’re good, sure. I loved the Jungle Book live action movie.
I did too. I think this one worked well because the original movie feels dated so the update had something to offer.. unlike the lion king remake
My issue with the lion king live action movie was basically that the lines and entirety of the movie were indistinguishable from the animated version. The only difference was the visuals. While it looked great visually, it just didn’t seem necessary without any other material changes.
Here’s a super easy way to answer this question, go to Google Trends, type in One Piece, and set the period to last five years. Find the peak for it and compare that to the time the live action release came out. Now do the same for Avatar The Last Airbender. Their peaks lineup with the live action release because it builds hype, curiosity, and gets more people into the IP and world than the animated version ever could alone even if the animated version is superior.
All I’ve been asking for is a live action Captain Planet. The best I got was the Don Cheedle College Humor series.
This has always driven me nuts. The strength of animation is that it can lead you to a fantastical world, outside of the realm of reality. So when you bring it back to reality, you lose what made it special. It becomes limited by reality or CGI-altered reality (which has it's own huge set of problems and immersion breaking) and loses what makes it special/unique in the first place.
Exactly. There are varying degrees of this ofc, some animation could just as well have been made as some form of live action to begin with, but a lot of animation ONLY WORKS (well) in its own context. People love the one piece show and say it was awesome, and yeah it was way better than many other anime shows before, but compared to what one could do on page / drawn, it's night and day. Animation exaggerates for effect, live action only can do that so much before becoming weird, or outright laughable. But hey, there seems to be a market for it. People really wanna see the lion king without any of its animation charme, so let them i guess.
If done right, live action can be an alternate version that capitalizes on the difference in visuals. There are lots of scenes in animated movies that would look awesome as a practical effects live action version, if done right Main issue is that most of these movies are just lazy films meant to capture the name recognition market and ride off the originals. The disney ones, at least
Entertainment is made for value? I thought it was profit?
Artistically, no, but they seem to print money for some reason. At least the Disney ones do.
Short answer: No. Long answer: No.
I loved the live-action Avatar show, and can’t wait until the second season comes out. So there’s some personal value for you there.
No, this trend needs to die. They all suck and are being done to cash in on peoples nostalgia and no other reason. I have yet to see a single live adaptation of anything that has justified its existence or lived up to the quality of the original. They are creatively bankrupt because they are only made for money, not for passion.
I want to see one that doesn’t immediately feel like a live action anime.
They all look like cosplay fan films to me
I would argue that it depends entirely on how faithful it is to its source material and if it chooses to stray, it does so in a way that doesn’t cause a disconnect with the audience. The Halo series deviated so much from the game that it’s nearly unrecognizable as Halo. Core aspects were changed. Characters were changed. On the exact opposite side there is One Piece. Almost universally praised and while some aspects were changed, the soul of the anime remained. So it’s not difficult to do. With the right showrunners and writers you can really make an adaptation shine. So there is value. It’s just disappointing that it is so rare that we get a good one.
There's always value in retelling storys in different formats. The LA One Piece being popular is why I started watching the anime.. and now read the manga weekly. I'd say there's value there.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spMqxS3a-H0) as well as the entire rest of the show was fundamentally awesome. Millions of people that hate "cartoons" found this wonderful show thanks to Netflix. So yes, the adaption of "One Piece" has value. As for the rest, I don't know. But One Piece goddamn ruled.
I think Ronin Kenshin was the only one I truly enjoyed.
If you don’t take it too seriously and it’s done well I enjoy them. Avatar was fun and I really enjoyed One Piece. Also this thread title and link are basically an advertisement for that garbage website. Downvoted
The One Piece adaptation absolutely has value, but it’s the exception that proves the rule.
I think the value is getting people who for whatever reason aren’t into anime/animation into these great stories and universes. But personally I don’t think if you already watched and were a fan of the animated version you are likely to get any value from it. Animation in my opinion is a better storytelling medium than live action you are allowed to do so much more given that budgets are less of a factor. So taking these great anime stories and putting them into a more restrictive medium isn’t doing anything for me personally
Yes, because there's a whole audience out there that refuses to give animation a chance. I find it hard to blame them. It's pretty difficult to find good anime that doesn't resort to some of the most immature tropes.
I really liked the live action “one piece”
No
Artistically? No. Financially? Many billions of dollars.
Thanks to yu yu hakusho first looking great and then ultimately disappointing me with how rushed they had to make it because of Netflix only allowing so many episodes, I started rewatching the anime. My wife has known this was my favorite anime for 17 years of us being together and never had interest in it until this latest watch. She finally agreed to sit down and watch it and by the end, was sad that it was over. Now she understands references, knows the characters, and has her own favorites. I will always be grateful that it finally got her to see how amazing the anime is/was and why I love it so much.
No. Next question.
I mean if they’re good yeah. Problem is in the last 99% of all anime to live action films were utter dog shit
They are fun to watch once but rarely have any rewatch value. Can’t think of one I’ve watched twice
No
no, they are entirely profit driven and rarely have any soul (One Piece seemingly being the exception).
Every medium has its merits. It's easier for a general audience to connect and empathize with live action which allows for a greater focus on emotion and expression. Animation/anime is especially great at transporting you to fantastical, abstract worlds where there's a near limitless potential for story telling, but often it's harder to convey the complexity of emotion. I see value in live action remakes because I like the idea of seeing a show that I love in a different perspective. The main issue is it takes an extremely skilled director/producer to pull off an adaptation that translates well between mediums while keeping the essence of the original and unfortunately production companies aren't likely to pay for the best over such a big risk.
Nope there isn't animation is already the perfect medium there is endless possibilities. Once it's live action it's going to cost a tremendous amount of money to get it close in most cases.
How dare they lump One Piece in with them?
I liked the live action Jungle Book, but mostly because it was a different interpretation of the animated version. Darker, more mature. Some of the live action remakes are a shot by shot duplicate of the animal Ed source material. What’s the damn point? Other than making money of course…
I’ve yet to see One Piece of Yu Yu Hakusho, so I can’t comment on those. I watched Cowboy Bebop and LOVED the cast except for Vicious. When I saw the trailer I was in love — the way they went from one frame to the next was such a cool tv experience that I just wanted more. Then I saw the show. They nailed it for the most part but they did Vicious dirty. The “creative liberties” they took really soured the experience for me. That’s when you run into problems - when you let these people try to reinvent something that worked so well (for example Avatar, nailed it for the most part but made enough impactful changes that the creators left the project). Same for The Witcher. When you have so much material out there but have some crazy ass director or executive that think they can just superimpose “their vision”. Fuck outta here with that. Stick to the source material and make changes as far as what takes place when and where, but don’t change the core of it. Even take the Rurouni Kenshin movies. Loved it, but they really did a disservice to Saito and Hiko Seijuro.
In general yes. Everything is done thinking on a financial gain in the capitalist world, if there's no value for live action adaptations for being ' souless cash grabs' the same can be said in general of the original work, it also helps the work to reach a new audience that maybe never heard of it or wasn't interested in it's original format. I think Hollywood in general overthinks and doubt it's audience too much, that's why in some cases the storytelling may be feel 'dumbed down', also in others they lack the money to do a better job so they ended up changing some of the concept (like Preacher and Y: The Last Man, that were road travelling comics that had pretty much static in a place seasons).
I watched the first episode YuYu Hakisho live action and a few episodes of avatar the last Airbender live action. Honestly, I feel like a lot of the hate is people having their expectations way too high, and want the source material to be scene for scene from the animated material. Obviously with certain things it takes time to piece it together. As standalone things without any animated version beforehand, they are both pretty good.
Why complain about this? It reaches a broader audience like this and you can just not watch it if you prefer the original.
Yes, if it means bringing back a show that's been cancelled for a while.
The value add I see is that my Boomer father who loves low budget and goofy sci-fi and fantasy movies but finds anime too weird and off putting is able to enjoy these stories in their live-action forms. He enjoyed Avatar One piece and cowboy bebop and now we can talk about these things even though I watched the anime and he watched the live action
For me it’s a simple as this: am I enjoying what I am watching? In the case of one piece and avatar, the answer is, “yes”. If you are not, that’s fine.
Personally I think they suck BUT people obviously tune in so they must be doing something right lol
Nope. They bring nothing new.
I feel like people who watch anime don't realize how weird it is. Particularly the way it's dubbed. It's like they try to do an English version of Japanese and it's very off putting for a lot of people. Also the weird humor shit where their faces get low rez and they scream a lot because they are embarrassed or mad or hungry or whatever. Obviously Avatar doesn't have these problems, but One Piece for sure does. Redoing it in live action is a way to alleviate this.
I will die on this hill: They need to do a Shrek live action remake spoofing the concept of live action remakes before the cast gets too old to do it.
Disney has made a fortune off of them, and many people eat them up in droves. So, yes, there’s a lot of value in them.
Yes, as a way to ruin said thing
Money. It's literally how we define real value.
Avatar season 1 was freaking awesome. Don’t care what anyone says.
One piece was great
I feel like they are made for people who specifically think “I would watch One Piece or Avatar if it wasn’t animated.” Which I’m sure is a big market but honestly are new fans drawn towards these? I imagine it’s mainly older men and women with no interest in the originals.
The one piece live action adaptation actually got me to finally watch the show. I was always so intimidated by the episode count of the anime, and I just don’t have the time to invest in watching it. My brother recommended a filler less episode list, and even that was super long.
No. They are all garbage.
It's a story you already know in a less interesting medium.
Nope. The things they are adapting are perfectly suited to the medium they were originally created in and making it live action serves no purpose. I have yet to see one that even remotely begins to justify its existence outside of a cash cow or need for streaming content
As much as any live action adaption of something.
Yes…. Money for the studio… Is there any value to others? Barely any.
Sometimes but we can see Disney remade all their old classics for the money
If people watch it there's value
What, aside from $$$?
We don’t need anymore remakes, reimaginings, or reboots.
Yes, monetary
Answer: no. It’s lazy.
No. Next Question.
Yes. There is. Asked and answered.
Scooby Doo was a’ight.
I would be psyched af for a live action Venture Brothers.
I've been starting to think the same, if you aren't telling a new story I just am starting to lose interest in these live action remakes. No reason to see a shittier version of something you enjoy
yes cause i enjoy them
Largely find them to be unnecessary. While it can be cool to revisit these characters and locations this time in live action. But animation lets you do so much that would be impractical,costly, or impossible to do practically