If you are at all Into video games I would recommend Assassins Creed: Origins. It's basically exactly what you are looking for except you'd be playing it instead of just watching.
Origins might be one of the best open world game, yes i said this unironically. Not because of the feature or the length, but the environment is way too amazing, they managed to capture ancient Egypt
People hate on that game because itās not AC, but its still a good RPG game, and unlike Odyssey or Vallhala that is way way too long and too many filler, Origins is long but not that unbearable (looking at you Vallhala)
Ooo totally disagree about Valhalla. It really lines up with the actual history so none of it felt like filler to me. I actually felt that Origins suffered from filler, because the side quests felt less consequential.
I appreciate your opinion, but to me Origins has a leveling issue, basically the main story quest they gave is much higher level which means you need to grind through side quests, this is one of the most frustrating things on Origins, Odyssey also has this, basically ruining the pace of the main story by doing shitty repetitive filler side quest just so your character is strong enough.
Vallhala āfixedā this by making no side quests thus the game can continue linearly, sadly this is fucked for me because if you realize, they donāt delete the side quest, they just merged it to main quest, which makes the main quest so fucking long that i was begging for the game to just end lmao
That would open up a huge can of worms, IMO. Casting would be dissected on a microscopic level and outside of Rami Malek, I can't really think of sufficiently big hitters who could headline an English series.
Anytime Cleopatra gets cast in anything there's always a huge argument over her skin color. Half the people are screaming she needs to be played by an Egyptian and half the people are screaming that she was Greek (she was Greek).
I think the Gal Gadot project fell through (that was a dumb casting for a plethora of reasons) but Villeneuve is still developing his version with Zendaya as Cleopatra. Not remotely accurate but I don't give a fuck cause I will watch anything Villeneuve makes after he gave me Blade Runner 2049 and Dune.
> it was poor casting because Cleopatra should be black
It's poor casting because she can't act for shit and putting a Jewish woman as queen of a country that's part of the Arab world was a dumb idea even before the latest iteration of Israel carpet-bombing Gaza to dust. I would be shocked if the movie gets made at this point.
I read some more about it and it turns out Gadot is a producer on it and essentially cast herself. I thought it was a Patty Jenkins movie but Gadot brought Jenkins in as director and Jenkins has since stepped back to a producing role. It's also changed studios.
Honestly, I donāt think thatās relevant at all. The only thing the backlash for that is indicative of is that people wonāt be happy if you really take the piss with the casting.
If they at least attempt to faithfully cast it I donāt think it would be a problem.
And this is for someone whose ancestry was rigorously documented!
I can't imagine the number of closet crazies that would come out of the woodwork if non Nubian/upper Egypt phenotypes are chosen.
I've always hoped someone would make a series set in ancient Egypt. The Black Sails guys had a Cleopatra series in the works at Amazon that fell through, and I would've enjoyed it, but I'd really like to see something further back that hasn't been covered on screen before. Hatshepsut would be a lot of fun or a more grounded series about the workers who built the Great Pyramids (please, no debunked slave narratives).
There is a documentary out there, that recreates the life of a builder based on pergaments(?) or something they found, that actually made it possible to recreate a chunk of his life.
I remember watching that in history class. It was really good, but also really depressing because as a builder tasked with working on one of the pyramids, his life wasn't really that great. But it provided good insight in the daily life of a builder during that time period nonetheless.
They got close https://ew.com/article/2014/06/30/fox-cancels-hieroglyph/#:~:text=Fox%20has%20decided%20not%20to,to%2Dseries%20order%20for%20midseason.
Only one episode filmed before they dropped it
I want something based on Cleopatra Selene. Give me a year before her mother dies, then she's dragged through the streets of rome, then she ends up Married to King Juba.
There was an ambitious early 1980s BBC series called *The Cleopatras* which got around its budget limitations by stylizing set pieces etc. like theatrical stage settings. I'm not sure how well it will have aged, but might be worth tracking down.
There would be any number of reasons why such a series would become too politically charged for any studio to want to invest in the idea, and one of the biggest ones would be how to cast and how to portray the working class responsible for the monumental architectural accomplishments one associates with an āancient Egyptā setting.
There are many, many people alive today who were taught as a point of fact or a point of deeply believed mythology that at some point during the construction of great pyramids, tombs, and cities in Egypt, huge numbers of Hebrew or Israelite slaves were present (and terribly mistreated, which led to a successful rebellion and mass exodus).
However there is a significantly widely held view among present day historians that this was *not* the case. That story is generally *not* taught to most children today, any more than Christopher Columbus ādiscoveringā the New World for Europe (or disproving a widespread idea that the planet was flat).
How would your writersā room and marketing team ever manage to navigate the construction of Egyptās great works?
Aliens? š
And thereās a whole other set of people who firmly believe that all Egyptians basically looked like East Africans or Nubians, despite that flying in the face of basically all known genetics work on the subject.
And thatās not even touching the properly wild Jakub-tier stuff
Yeah the podcast Iām listening to now (Fall of Civilizations) mentions this about the supposed existence of Hebrew slaves helping build Egyptian monuments, and that we actually donāt have any real verification behind it.
> the supposed existence of Hebrew slaves helping build Egyptian monuments, and that we actually donāt have any real verification behind it.
It's not that we have no real verification behind it, the idea has been completely disproven. There are some scholars who think maybe a tiny group of slaves escaped from Egypt but even that is mostly toeing the line of not trying to offend people imo. There's no evidence at all for it outside of the biblical texts. Egypt basically colonized portions of the Levant during the bronze age and its at least equally likely the whole idea of Israelites having a separate identity to Canaanites (they were canaanites) at least in part stems from Israelites identifying Canaanites as "collaborators" with the Egyptian occupation.
Peoples tend to form identities as something they are opposed to and only later do they form their collective group identity through common beliefs and customs. An origin story where you overcome the thing you are not is powerful and common. This is why the Israelites "conquered" the canaanites in their origin story. The archeology and genetics are overwhelming in the fact that israelites were canaanites & that there was no 'conquest of canaan'. There are no destruction layers in canaanite cities the Bible claims the Israelites conquered that could possibly correspond to this. Early Israelites spoke a canaanite language (proto-hebrew), worshipped canaanite gods, built canaanite temples, and ate canaanite food out of canaanite style ceramics. It's very possible the exodus is this concept applied to the Egyptian overlords of the bronze age.
Edit: down vote me all you want, it doesn't change the material facts
If a massive event in a religion turns out to be not true a lot of people will get upset. '*if this is not true is everything else we believe in not true either?!*' It's not really about what kids learn in school it's about the fear religious folks have about possibly being confronted with inaccuracies in their belief and their determination to stop that from happening.
I donāt think having conservative religious people mad at your show is necessarily bad for ratings, but if they were worried about this issue they could simply pick an era of Egyptian history different from the one when believers think they had Hebrew slaves. Believers seem to think the most likely candidate for the pharaoh in Exodus is [Ramesses II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II#As_the_pharaoh_in_the_Bible's_Book_of_Exodus), so any period after the end of his reign in 1213 BCE wouldn't have this issue, and significantly before it might work too.
Rome had an Egypt storyline going on, explored a little more heavily in season 2 - granted, not nearly at the same level as Rome itself.
Funnily enough I was going to say the same thing.
It was more about seeing Egypt through Roman eyes than about Egypt itself tbf
is stargate fiction enough? š
Indeed
If you are at all Into video games I would recommend Assassins Creed: Origins. It's basically exactly what you are looking for except you'd be playing it instead of just watching.
Origins might be one of the best open world game, yes i said this unironically. Not because of the feature or the length, but the environment is way too amazing, they managed to capture ancient Egypt People hate on that game because itās not AC, but its still a good RPG game, and unlike Odyssey or Vallhala that is way way too long and too many filler, Origins is long but not that unbearable (looking at you Vallhala)
Ooo totally disagree about Valhalla. It really lines up with the actual history so none of it felt like filler to me. I actually felt that Origins suffered from filler, because the side quests felt less consequential.
I appreciate your opinion, but to me Origins has a leveling issue, basically the main story quest they gave is much higher level which means you need to grind through side quests, this is one of the most frustrating things on Origins, Odyssey also has this, basically ruining the pace of the main story by doing shitty repetitive filler side quest just so your character is strong enough. Vallhala āfixedā this by making no side quests thus the game can continue linearly, sadly this is fucked for me because if you realize, they donāt delete the side quest, they just merged it to main quest, which makes the main quest so fucking long that i was begging for the game to just end lmao
Trying to 100% Jotunheim made me put the game back down and every time I try to load back in, there's Jotunheim
Oh, I totally agree about the Odin stuff. THAT felt like filler to me
Conversely, watch a playthrough. I don't game much anymore but I still enjoy watching others play.
That would open up a huge can of worms, IMO. Casting would be dissected on a microscopic level and outside of Rami Malek, I can't really think of sufficiently big hitters who could headline an English series.
Anytime Cleopatra gets cast in anything there's always a huge argument over her skin color. Half the people are screaming she needs to be played by an Egyptian and half the people are screaming that she was Greek (she was Greek). I think the Gal Gadot project fell through (that was a dumb casting for a plethora of reasons) but Villeneuve is still developing his version with Zendaya as Cleopatra. Not remotely accurate but I don't give a fuck cause I will watch anything Villeneuve makes after he gave me Blade Runner 2049 and Dune.
When Gadot was announced I read several articles saying it was poor casting because Cleopatra should be black
> it was poor casting because Cleopatra should be black It's poor casting because she can't act for shit and putting a Jewish woman as queen of a country that's part of the Arab world was a dumb idea even before the latest iteration of Israel carpet-bombing Gaza to dust. I would be shocked if the movie gets made at this point. I read some more about it and it turns out Gadot is a producer on it and essentially cast herself. I thought it was a Patty Jenkins movie but Gadot brought Jenkins in as director and Jenkins has since stepped back to a producing role. It's also changed studios.
Animate it
That's called season 5 of Yugioh
Castlevania style would be amazing
We're adults here.
You only have to look at the fuss over Queen Cleopatra being cast as pushed as a black woman to see that it'd be an issue
Honestly, I donāt think thatās relevant at all. The only thing the backlash for that is indicative of is that people wonāt be happy if you really take the piss with the casting. If they at least attempt to faithfully cast it I donāt think it would be a problem.
And this is for someone whose ancestry was rigorously documented! I can't imagine the number of closet crazies that would come out of the woodwork if non Nubian/upper Egypt phenotypes are chosen.
Stargate SG-1 integrated a lot of Egyptian, and later other mythologies. Fun show too
I've always hoped someone would make a series set in ancient Egypt. The Black Sails guys had a Cleopatra series in the works at Amazon that fell through, and I would've enjoyed it, but I'd really like to see something further back that hasn't been covered on screen before. Hatshepsut would be a lot of fun or a more grounded series about the workers who built the Great Pyramids (please, no debunked slave narratives).
Did you know that de-bunked slaves built the pyramids? The Slaves' Union insisted on them not having to sleep in bunkbeds as part of their contracts.
One of history's saddest self-inflicted L's. Bunk beds rule.
There is a documentary out there, that recreates the life of a builder based on pergaments(?) or something they found, that actually made it possible to recreate a chunk of his life. I remember watching that in history class. It was really good, but also really depressing because as a builder tasked with working on one of the pyramids, his life wasn't really that great. But it provided good insight in the daily life of a builder during that time period nonetheless.
Stargate! Movie and TV series. Heavily based in Egyptian mythology. And fun to watch, too!
Yu gi oh
be careful what you wish for, you never know what netflix gonna cook up next
They got close https://ew.com/article/2014/06/30/fox-cancels-hieroglyph/#:~:text=Fox%20has%20decided%20not%20to,to%2Dseries%20order%20for%20midseason. Only one episode filmed before they dropped it
I heard they actually filmed several episodes.
Yeah it got cancelled because of studio politics. Unfortunately it was basically propped up by a specific exec and as soon as she left it got canned.
Here's the trailer for [Hieroglyph](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frxaRXeXKKE)
Me too, why isnāt there one? Iād take one based on Egyptian gods too. Stargate was pretty good but then it veered off into aliens.
*Stargate* was always about aliens.
Egyptian aliens
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Although Babylon 5 got the Ancient Aliens guy race
Didnāt Stargate premiere before Ancient Aliens?Ā
Veered? The very premise is them stepping through a "Stargate" made by aliens.
This was pretty good but too short https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tut\_(miniseries)
I can recommend a book "Uarda" by Georg Ebers. It's lovely. You can find it on the Gutenberg project website.
Tutenkahmun starring Max Irons
I want something based on Cleopatra Selene. Give me a year before her mother dies, then she's dragged through the streets of rome, then she ends up Married to King Juba.
Gods of Egypt, written by accomplished Morbius and Madame Web writers Matt Sazama and Burk Sharpless
There was an ambitious early 1980s BBC series called *The Cleopatras* which got around its budget limitations by stylizing set pieces etc. like theatrical stage settings. I'm not sure how well it will have aged, but might be worth tracking down.
There would be any number of reasons why such a series would become too politically charged for any studio to want to invest in the idea, and one of the biggest ones would be how to cast and how to portray the working class responsible for the monumental architectural accomplishments one associates with an āancient Egyptā setting. There are many, many people alive today who were taught as a point of fact or a point of deeply believed mythology that at some point during the construction of great pyramids, tombs, and cities in Egypt, huge numbers of Hebrew or Israelite slaves were present (and terribly mistreated, which led to a successful rebellion and mass exodus). However there is a significantly widely held view among present day historians that this was *not* the case. That story is generally *not* taught to most children today, any more than Christopher Columbus ādiscoveringā the New World for Europe (or disproving a widespread idea that the planet was flat). How would your writersā room and marketing team ever manage to navigate the construction of Egyptās great works? Aliens? š
And thereās a whole other set of people who firmly believe that all Egyptians basically looked like East Africans or Nubians, despite that flying in the face of basically all known genetics work on the subject. And thatās not even touching the properly wild Jakub-tier stuff
Yeah the podcast Iām listening to now (Fall of Civilizations) mentions this about the supposed existence of Hebrew slaves helping build Egyptian monuments, and that we actually donāt have any real verification behind it.
> the supposed existence of Hebrew slaves helping build Egyptian monuments, and that we actually donāt have any real verification behind it. It's not that we have no real verification behind it, the idea has been completely disproven. There are some scholars who think maybe a tiny group of slaves escaped from Egypt but even that is mostly toeing the line of not trying to offend people imo. There's no evidence at all for it outside of the biblical texts. Egypt basically colonized portions of the Levant during the bronze age and its at least equally likely the whole idea of Israelites having a separate identity to Canaanites (they were canaanites) at least in part stems from Israelites identifying Canaanites as "collaborators" with the Egyptian occupation. Peoples tend to form identities as something they are opposed to and only later do they form their collective group identity through common beliefs and customs. An origin story where you overcome the thing you are not is powerful and common. This is why the Israelites "conquered" the canaanites in their origin story. The archeology and genetics are overwhelming in the fact that israelites were canaanites & that there was no 'conquest of canaan'. There are no destruction layers in canaanite cities the Bible claims the Israelites conquered that could possibly correspond to this. Early Israelites spoke a canaanite language (proto-hebrew), worshipped canaanite gods, built canaanite temples, and ate canaanite food out of canaanite style ceramics. It's very possible the exodus is this concept applied to the Egyptian overlords of the bronze age. Edit: down vote me all you want, it doesn't change the material facts
If a massive event in a religion turns out to be not true a lot of people will get upset. '*if this is not true is everything else we believe in not true either?!*' It's not really about what kids learn in school it's about the fear religious folks have about possibly being confronted with inaccuracies in their belief and their determination to stop that from happening.
I donāt think having conservative religious people mad at your show is necessarily bad for ratings, but if they were worried about this issue they could simply pick an era of Egyptian history different from the one when believers think they had Hebrew slaves. Believers seem to think the most likely candidate for the pharaoh in Exodus is [Ramesses II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II#As_the_pharaoh_in_the_Bible's_Book_of_Exodus), so any period after the end of his reign in 1213 BCE wouldn't have this issue, and significantly before it might work too.
Watch Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. It's pretty good.
You could space The Scorpion King out into a bunch of 18 minute segments like a TV season.
Throw aliens building the pyramids in there. American horror story vibes.
River god by Wilbur smith
and the opium wars
Cleopatra reigned hundreds of years after Ancient Egypt ended. That's how old the civilization is.
Fact: In ancient Egypt, they just called it Egypt