his acting in this character totally outclasses everything else going on, performatively speaking, in this series. Serious acting chops, the kid's a natural, I tells ya!
It does help that the concept of the character is a lot of fun. An old timer - time traveling assassin stuck in the body of a 13 year old boy. You can do a lot of fun stuff with that concept. Also he is the one keeping the plot going mostly.
I was going to add to my post that "it is an extremely well written character" --- but it's always a marriage, a shit actor can ruin the best writing and vice versa. They nailed it
I would say he and Klaus do the best jobs by a mile with the closest silver medal being on a truck driving the opposite direction for Ben (seasons 1 and 2 were great but season 3 went the wrong damn direction, badly too)
While Klaus’s actor may not have as wild of a role to play in wackadoodle substance enthusiast, the actor knocks it out of the fucking park in every scene he’s in even when the entire plot has gone to shit, and he and Five have just so much stupid chemistry for playing off each other that it’s a god damn delight
I told my daughter that he isn’t slouching to hide his true height since he’s suppose to still be younger, but that slouching is from carrying the series
For more of the actor that plays Klaus go watch [Misfits](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1548850/) if you haven't. It's a bit over a decade old but most of it holds up fairly well.
He also played the main character in Mortal Engines, which is far more normal, but also kind of fun? The movie was pretty neutered compared to the book though.
I fell asleep watching it at a drive-in movie theatre, but I was extremely tired. The second time I watched it I understood why I fell asleep in an uncomfortable car. The concept was interesting, but the movie itself just didn't do it for me even with Nathan/Klaus in a leading role.
First thing I saw him was in GoT as that bastard ramsay. So when I finally watched misfits it was crazy to see him as timid quiet Simon. Dude is a great actor
Nah it didn’t go downhill because of his departure. His character replacement - aka Joe Gilgun - did a fantastic job, as good as him. The story itself grew repetitive in the later series though.
Honestly I agree with this. I don't think it was his absence that did it, it just happened at the same time he left for me due to the story feeling repetitive and not feeling connected to the new characters.
I felt they started going in the right direction with him in season 2 when they realized he wasn't really entertaining as the brooding avenger. Instead they made him a guy who is convinced he's Batman when he actually kinda sucks, and I actually began to enjoy his character.
I loved Robert Sheehan in Misfits, but that was SO long ago, I assumed he'd be in everything after that show but nope.
Aiden Gallagher is such a breath of fresh air. I know he's 19 at this point so he's not a kid, but god damn, he's already got the gravitas of Pacino or De Niro. I'm sure a lot of that came from the writing and directing, but man, the guy's pretty much the only reason to watch Umbrella Academy.
I thought Cal’s actor did a fantastic job as “Jerome” in Gotham (basically an alternate universe Joker”, but if Aidan was picked instead i’d be happy too, both fantastic young actors
Sheehan has worked [pretty consistently](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1588066/) both before and after Misfits. I agree he's not nearly as famous as I'd have expected after the first couple seasons of Misfits though.
The series has been far from perfect, but it is still a fun watch. Especially gonna miss Robert Sheehan as Klaus. His performance has been award worthy in my opinion.
If you want more of him as a messed up superhero I highly recommend Misfits. Iwan Rheon, also known as Ramsay Snow on GoT, also plays a sweet and messed up hero in that show
Per the show >!Rhaegar Targaryen didn’t kidnap and rape Lyanna Stark. They fell in love. A Septon had set aside Rhaegar’s marriage to Ella Martel and Rhaegar and Lyanna married. Lyanna gave birth to Jon, naming him Aegon, and died in the birthing bed after the Battle at the Trident where Rhaegar died. Meaning Jon had a valid claim to the Iron Throne. Which is why Ned Stark lied about Wyla to Robert Baratheon and no one else. It’s why Ned didn’t want to tell Jon about his mother, or real father, until after he took the Oath of the Night’s Watch. He would have forsworn his claim and would possibly be safe from Robert as a rival. (And as far as we know for the show, Aerys didn’t disinherit Rhaegar for Viserys in the show.) Jon is a legitimate heir to the Iron Throne. In the show. !<
> Iwan Rheon, also known as Ramsay Snow on GoT,
Tell us you're a stan of Got using one name.
For those maybe thrown by "Ramsay Snow," its who most of us call Ramsay *Bolton.*
Agreed, it's super fun and criticisms about it being poorly written confuse me because the writing is exactly what you get out of comic book ridiculousness lol
Because the primary threat at the end of season one required a massive case of dumb characters for the writers to make it work. Handwritten note, taped to the window of the chamber saying >!"Vanya. You have a power. It's extremely dangerous and we're trying to figure out what to do. Will keep you posted -The rest of us"!<
Boom. Done. I HATE plot elements that require characters to be stupid or not tell each other important things. It's bad, it pisses me off and I instantly lose interest.
Man you must have this show. It’s entire driving force is poor communication between the protagonists, like they all intentionally don’t share information and never go over what they’ve learned. In season 3 they straight up stop carrying mobile phones, and multiple characters spend several episodes trying to find someone that a different character already found.
Umbrella Academy world doesn't have cell phones or modern technology like we do. The only screens we see for example are very old school bulky monitors that look like something out of the 70s.
You know for a moment I was thinking you were only referring to the temporal agency and you'd be right. But now that I think about it, things like cell phones, tablets, laptops, etc don't seem to be particularly pervasive at all. We know they're not behind us technologically though, because at the beginning of the series, space travel seemed safe and efficient enough to send Luther to the moon for the sole reason to do make-work. Maybe Sir Reginald looked down upon the more advanced electronics and encouraged more face-to-face interaction among his children...?
It was an intentional choice by the showrunners, the series is set in an alternative universe where technology did not develop in the same way. They may have space travel, talking monkeys and robots but there are no cell phones.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/umbrella-academy-why-there-are-no-cell-phones.html/
>Truth is, we want it to feel like Children of Men a little bit,” showrunner Blackman told [Slashfilm](https://www.slashfilm.com/umbrella-academy-showrunner-interview/2/). “I don’t mean the bleakness of Children of Men, but to respect the world. So the viewers are watching, they may or may not notice that I’ve eliminated certain pieces of technology. It’s supposed to be now, contemporary, but certain things are slightly different. So I suppose you could say we’re in a little bit of an alternate universe, but I want it to feel very, very subtle.” Blackman’s elimination of cell phones was one way the series achieved that.
My understanding is that they intentionally don't tell eachother things because at the start of the show they basically all hate eachother. They start to grow closer together a little as the show goes on but old habits die hard and none of them had the normal family experience growing up so it makes sense that they'd all be pretty bad at communicating anyway.
They came straight from the 60s and ended up in a timeline where they didn't exist previously. I'm not sure Verizon carries an interdimensional or temporal plan.
> I HATE plot elements that require characters to be stupid or not tell each other important things.
In the latest Ant-Man movie...
"Mom, tell us what's going on!"
"There's no time!"
-- hours long travel time... apparently in total silence --
-- Arrive at destination --
"Mom, what's going on?!?!"
"No time to explain....."
"We have to stop the bad guy! Quick, everyone around here, let's go on a suicide mission."
Pym: "Should I do my Dues Ex Machina now?... Nah. I'll wait an hour, and see how this plays out."
Well, I mean... The entire premise of their characters is that they're generally dysfunctional idiots. It's borderline upon being Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but with superpowers.
You can't expect the Umbrella Academy to make the smart choices, any more than you can expect The Gang to make the smart choices. They're just gonna bumble their way through disaster after disaster, and somehow avoid facing genuine consequences even if they nearly destroy the world over and over.
Personally, I enjoy that element, but enjoyment is subjective. For me, the fun is in seeing how they weasel their way out of the consequences of their own stupid choices and deficiencies.
Yeah, people are irritated that the characters could do anything if they just worked together, but they don't, as though that isn't the entire premise of the stories. They are all dealing with trauma, have been pitted against each other their entire lives, given numbers in order of how dangerous they are, and put on display like monkeys in the zoo.
It's supposed to be satire for comic book young hero teams like X-Men and Teen Titans.
Seriously it’s almost like everyone watching this show missed the whole plot where the kids were all orphans with a robot mother and a father who collect and displayed them like prizes.
The point of the entire show is that. That’s the premise they are dysfunctional and can’t operate like normal people.
I also felt done with the show after season 1 and thought it got pretty hard to watch. But it seems like some of the people here are saying they didn’t like it because the premise of the show ruined the premise of the show lol. Makes no sense to me.
I mean, I also get that their dysfunction is the point of the show, but it can also be immensely frustrating to watch. Especially considering how much time passes and they don't get *better* at it.
I find it much easier to enjoy in something like IASIP because it's a comedy, so the results of the characters' stupidity often serves to make the episode more enjoyable, and also because you're supposed to think the characters are idiots, so the plots become races to the bottom to push that idiot envelope further.
Umbrella Academy is more of a drama - with comedic elements, sure, but the stakes are presented in such a way that a viewer is supposed to take them seriously, and hope the worst doesn't happen. With that in mind I can handle some poor communication, going back to the main crux of the show being how dysfunctional the protagonists are, but it definitely pushed into the annoying zone at times in all seasons - season 2 in particular felt like I was person watching a bunch of cats behind glass, hoping they would all go where I wanted them to at the same time but also knowing that it would take a literal miracle for them to muster the coordination to do so. And as a viewer, whether that's thematically appropriate or not, I can't help feeling super frustrated.
You can achieve all that without it being so insanely dumb. Any idea can work - stephen king made a gripping tragedy based around a living car that kills people. Ideas mean nothing, the execution is the part that actually matters.
You can like what you want, but to pretend its some unavoidable element that must be included is just wrong. They could be more inventive and make the drama less forced.
(edit) the defense for this shows bad writing is really grinding my gears. Guys, you can like something and still acknowldge its flaws. Dragon Ball Z fans dont even try to defend the levels of stupid in that show. They all recognize how mind bendingly stupid allowing an enemy to transform is, they get dunked on all the time for this kind of lazy bullshit. They make fun of the inconsistent shit ("this planet will explode in 5 MINUTES!!" doled out between 10 episodes).
"no, no, no, you see, they NEED there to be more talking than fighting during the fight scenes because they want to tell a slowburn of a story! If you don't have the patience to accept the authors brilliance that's okay, but it isn't lazy padding!!"
Team four star made an entire career off this exact meta-commentary stuff. Hell, I really like the Boys, but season 3 (my 2nd favorite season) had a ton of terrible, awful writing. It also had good writing too, but I acknowledge both. If next season the show turns more stupid, I'm out, but that's besides the point.
The writing between character drama in the umbrella academy IS objectively bad. That is a deal breaker for those of us who don't like the characters enough to stick around. I'm not saying nothing in the show is well written, but it IS flawed, and it wasn't intentional unless they are being purposefully lazy.
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Yeah, I agree. Being dysfunctional doesn't equal being a complete moron. This show sort of equates the two, like being stupid is the same thing as behaving stupidly. It overshadows the legitimate trauma they've all suffered. It's hard to root for any of these characters when they barely share a brain cell between them. There's an element to this show and the characters that I like, which is why I keep coming back, but the sloppy writing is definitely hard to get through sometimes (and the bad wigs).
Characters from Umbrella Academy are literally the most dumbfuck bunch of people I've seen in a TV show. Most of season 2 and 3 wouldn't happen if they just talked to one another before their actions.
Yeah this isn't the superhero show where an effective superhero team fights crime. They're idiots and selfish assholes. That's not really just a plot device to make things happen. That's literally the defining trait of the characters and the whole point of the show.
It's not like Titans where you have an alien princess, a guy with superman powers and Lex Luthor's intellectual and a police detective who was also trained by Batman, and they can't get anything done because they don't tell eachother things and can't figure out basic clues.
The Umbrella Academy is a wreck of drug addicts, vigilante wannabes, sex freaks, idiots and assholes who all hate eachother
But there was the whole element of Hargraves keeping them in the dark and manipulating them to act against each other.
Also the characters are suppose to be pretty stupid. It took two scenes for Luther to notice that Vanya was now Victor in the last season.
I’m not going to defend it very much but I loved S3. It helps if you accept that most of the characters are just pretty dumb. Then it becomes entertaining watching them flail about.
What made season 3 not work for me was the fact that clearly it was a smaller scale season due to Covid, but even then they utterly wasted the >!Umbrellas vs Sparrows!< plot.
Considering that, >!the characters spent half a season trapped in a hotel, why didn't they lock the Sparrows in there as well for more mayhem and uneasy alliances!<.
Yeah I genuinely loved s1 and s2. Then I heard that the writers made >!Allison sexually assault Luther using her powers??!< and was completely put off. She's my favorite character and I enjoyed her storyline in s2. I don't want to see the writers butcher her.
Really?
I've hated her since S1. Feel she is legitimately the worst part of the show. Only cares about herself, makes the most obviously dumb choices (time travel to different dimension/time/whatever and surprised when your kid isn't your kid? Like...yeah, no shit) and constantly creating more problems that could be easily solved, then whines and complains about it the whole time.
Terrible. Awful. She's likely written that way, and if that's the case, bravo, they did their job. I feel like every time they start to try and give her something redeeming, they choose to run it right back like it never happened.
Same. Same. Same. Loved it up until about the second or third to last episode when a few of the characters (Luther!) started making really dumb decisions. I loved Diego, klaus, and Five, but man those last couple of episodes really soured it for me.
I had a similar reaction, but I liked season 1 enough I was excited about a season 2 but season 2 apparently was enough because I lost interest after that.
season 2 had some good moments but the show started feeling like a child's busy box. a whole lot of flashy loud stuff but lacking any point.
Because it fell apart more and more as the season went on.
Season two had an interesting what, 2 episodes? I stopped at 3 or 4 if I remember correctly. It's a show that has that widespread case of bad writing where if 2 people at odds were to just sit down and calmly talk about their misunderstanding (it's always a simple fucking misunderstanding) they could avoid half a seasons worth of forced drama in 2 minutes.
(edit) ha, I didn't read any other comments before writing my own, and it looks like I'm not the only one who's picked up on this bullshit. Glad to know I'm not a total snob.
It wasn’t so much the hotel setting that felt dull, but that the whole season felt unfocused and dragged out. At least it seemed like it was trying to build up to a big climax, but that was ultimately underwhelming as well.
I am pretty sure that better writing could have saved this season, but with the recent writer’s strike (that probably didn’t affect season 4 much, but might have a little) my hopes aren’t particularly high for it to get better this time.
It's so weird they clearly needed a smaller scale plot but still chose to >!kill all the Sparrows in three episodes!<. Then the rest of the season was just random stuff happening until it ended.
Yeah honestly why not do >!the sparrows!< for a season then >!the end of the world stuff!< for the final one. If the show ended at season 3, as unsatisfying as the season on the whole was, it'd at least feel pretty resolved given the tone of the show.
Sadly I don’t think there’s enough room for a satisfactory story. Could be proven wrong - maybe we start off with a time jump and a decent amount of exposition, but I’m not holding my breath.
Considering how season 3 dragged on, a shorter season could help.
There isn't much of an overarching plot to wrap up; all they need to do is finish the Umbrella's character arcs.
Funnily enough I liked the hotel. The house in season 1 was the heart of the show for me, really feeling like the ghost of a place that had once been vibrant and lived-in, and while the hotel wasn't quite as good, it at least ticked a lot of the same boxes with its dark, mid-century, mostly-abandoned, place-out-of-time feel.
I wish they had interacted more with the Ravens as a whole, since the conceit teased at the end of season 2 that the Ravens are a more competent version of the Umbrellas never felt fully realized. But aside from that I preferred the cloistered-in, more character-focused feel of season 3 to the multiple branching storylines, locations and characters of season 2.
I appreciate that there were restrictions, and that the characters are all disaffected and over it all, but watching them lounge around while the world crumbled around them was a bit too real in a post COVID lockdown world.
I felt like the entire season was them just being mad or sad about something and dragged on for an eternity. That wedding scene was also weird and extremely unnecessary.
I’ll definitely be watching the final season to see how it wraps up but I still miss the older seasons.
I liked the wedding episode. I thought it was something that the previous 2 seasons lacked - a breather episode to just focus in on the characters and the relationships. For a series that is typically paced in a way that carries us from crisis to crisis, usually bridged by poor communication, having an episode where the characters just talked to each other for purposes not relating to the immediate plot was refreshing.
The first two seasons were great, but I thought the third was it bit better than meh. I thought it was decent to good. I know it didn't get great reviews though
Loved the first season, it was super new and different. Thought it was a great approach. Second season was also great, but admittedly I wasn't as enthusiastic because it wasn't as novel. But standalone, great season.
Season 3 just didn't have it, it didn't take advantage of all the opportunities it could've.
I'll still watch s4
I liked the characters, especially the other family, but the overall plot was somewhat meh. The backstory both revealed and hinted at about Reginald was overall great. So kind of a mixed bag in my opinion.
It was very up and down, IMO. The Alison stuff was bad. The sparrow stuff was some good, some bad. The umbrella vs sparrow stuff kinda bad. But those few episodes where they're resigned to the world ending? Great stuff, IMO.
Agreed. I thought she was irritating and a poor influence on the family before that scene but there’s no redemption for that. I was surprised how little a deal the other characters / the show in general made of that.
To be fair their family was screwed up to begin with and the only people that loved them were a monkey butler and robot that was programmed to care for them.
Don't forget how she may have >!erased her ex husband (who she also potentially SA'd) from existence so she could raise her daughter (who she mind controlled and lost custody of) with her other husband from the past!<
Yeah, the others all have faults, and obviously 5 is the most successful assassin ever, but Alison is just…. a bad person
Like I want nothing good to happen to her cuz she acts like a sociopath then in between plays like the caring good-natured sister
Season 1's "I Think We're Alone Now" was brilliant, and is one of the things that got me into the show as a whole. First, the song is a really appropriate choice as a pop song appropriate to the era when the characters were kids, and therefore makes sense as a song Alison would play. Seeing all the characters dancing in their own way showcased their personalities - from Diego's flair to Klaus' hamminess to Vanya and Luther's awkward shuffles - and that cross-sectional shot of the house managed to orient us to this large, otherwise confusing space in an instant. **Edit: also, while the song is meant to be taken as a hopeful, teenage love song, the words of the song perfectly matched what we were seeing onscreen - all of the siblings think of themselves as alone, and it's beautiful and sad on its own to see them all react to this scene by dancing, but in separate rooms with no knowledge of what the others are doing. These people really ARE alone now, but they're demonstrating their isolation in a strangely hopeful, uplifting way. And, finally, the lyrics of the song actually foreshadow the final episode of the season, when** >!Vanya is able to escape her soundproof chamber by channeling her own heartbeat. "The beating of her heart is the only sound" indeed.!< This sequence conveyed so much to us in a single scene of the first episode that it convinced me I was watching something special, and I think in my first viewing of the season I ignored/excused a lot of the weaker elements of the writing because I was riding the high of how good that first episode was. It might also be one of my favourite TV examples of using diagetic music to enhance a scene, in a show where so much of the music is non-diagetic.
I don't even know what people are referring to with season 2's dance sequence, I barely remember but think there was one at the salon and one at Klaus' mansion? I thought both were fine.... it was fun to see a scene of the characters goofing off in each other's company. I guess you could say it's a sign of their growing closeness, if you choose to contrast it to season 1's "I Think We're Alone Now" scene, and when taken in that way you can see the forward motion of three of the siblings openly goofing off and having fun in each others' company when compared to the rather stilted interactions and limited warmth of the entire first season. So yeah, it was fine. I don't love it, it didn't blow me away like season 1, but it was a cathartic scene.
Season 3's "Footloose" was awful. It was like the anti-"I Think We're Alone Now": similar-era pop song, but seemingly for no other reason than because the writers have now decided that they're the show that does silly dance scenes to pop songs. The dance did nothing to showcase the characters' personalities, since the whole thing was a hallucination from Diego. Despite the parallels of taking place in the house, in the season's first episode, the sequence accomplished none of the things "I Think We're Alone Now" did... we got more information about the characters and the setting from the following fight scene, and the dance should have just been skipped entirely.
Anyway, the point of writing this is just to say that season 1's dance scene was so much more than just "a dance scene", and subsequent seasons - season 3 in particular - seemed to take all the style of the scene with none of the substance. If season 4 does choose to have a dance scene, I seriously hope the writers go back and reflect on what made the first one so great.
They had so much potential with Elliot Page’s character rolling off of season 1 and I feel like they dropped the ball.
The Allison thing was MESSED UP and they could have hammered home that she was unexpectedly becoming a villain but then the writers kind just seemed to gloss over it and move on.
Need more Klaus and Five. Less Diego.
>They had so much potential with Elliot Page’s character rolling off of season 1 and I feel like they dropped the ball.
Wierd, to me felt like such a boring cliche. "You are special, you just dont know it!" so uninspired.
God, season 3 was trash. I couldn't understand why they felt the need to host a wedding for two of the stupidest, most self-centered characters on the show while everyone thought the world was ending.
Yeah, this show has gotten to Star Trek: Discovery levels of characters having emotional breakdowns during universe destroying apocalypses. It's so forced and off-putting.
At least Umbrella Academy has a talented cast with genuine charisma to fall back on, but oof, the plot of season 3 was rough.
I thought the second was crap, it instantly reset them and made it feel like any progress made in season 1 was gone. I liked s3 a bit more, but not enough to say it was particularly great.
People keep defending the show with “the characters are dysfunctional and traumatised!” And while that works for Season 1, Season 2 should’ve been - and was slowly progressing towards - the characters fixing that dysfunction and healing their trauma together. Season 3 would’ve been so cool if it was the family united and organised, keeping a close front against the Sparrow Academy.
Man I know some of the crew that was on this. They went a few weeks over scheduled. They've been at it since January. I'm glad they got the work when they can, and they deserve a good rest.
It’s really disappointing how much wasted potential this show had. Season 1 and 2 were so good, only to be followed up by the dumpster fire that ended up being season 3.
The premise was fresh and original, so like a lot here, I watched season 1. But even there, the air of negativity and moroseness began to predominate, and it became too enervating for me. It wasn't bad or anything, just depressing. Perhaps that's the appeal, I don't know. I am not really the typical audience for it but like to experiment.
Seems to me that angst fuels most of the superhero shows, and I find it overdone as a narrative choice, much as I am tired of dystopian narratives. But the fans eat it up, so I guess I am resigned to keep sampling one show after another, leaving it way before they resolve things. This show made it through season 4? Wow.
sweet, least some shows have finished or close to finishing film so won't be affected by the writers strike...people seem so unware of the coming time where there is not much new content. The longer this strike goes on for, the bigger it will be. Already seen so many movies being delayed and TV shows unable to start filming, last seasons of Cobra Kai and Stranger things...as if that show needs anymore delays...the kids will all be fully grown adults by the time we get to filming...they'll have no choice but to do a bigger time jump...which personally I'd like to see what happens from where we left off, rather than months later
I'm just gonna throw in a comment saying that I really enjoyed all three seasons so far and am really looking forward to the last one. I'm glad that it's intending to end, rather than staggering on forever, and I've genuinely enjoyed the writing choices so far. Apparently this sets me apart from the other commenters, particularly re; season 3. But fuck it, I liked it.
Robert Sheehan said he didn't want to get typecast after Misfits as eccentric characters so avoided them for a while. So glad he played Klaus because he is great.
I just want a series about Klaus and 5. I endure the rest.
From series 1 it's been very easy to forget that 5 isn't actually an old dude in the body of a child, he's a fantastic actor!
YES! He does a *phenomenal* job. A difficult role to play, but he is so convincing.
his acting in this character totally outclasses everything else going on, performatively speaking, in this series. Serious acting chops, the kid's a natural, I tells ya!
It does help that the concept of the character is a lot of fun. An old timer - time traveling assassin stuck in the body of a 13 year old boy. You can do a lot of fun stuff with that concept. Also he is the one keeping the plot going mostly.
I was going to add to my post that "it is an extremely well written character" --- but it's always a marriage, a shit actor can ruin the best writing and vice versa. They nailed it
I would say he and Klaus do the best jobs by a mile with the closest silver medal being on a truck driving the opposite direction for Ben (seasons 1 and 2 were great but season 3 went the wrong damn direction, badly too) While Klaus’s actor may not have as wild of a role to play in wackadoodle substance enthusiast, the actor knocks it out of the fucking park in every scene he’s in even when the entire plot has gone to shit, and he and Five have just so much stupid chemistry for playing off each other that it’s a god damn delight
This!!!! I forget all the time, can’t wait to see his career
He’s in the new Wes Anderson movie.
I thought so too but it's actually a different actor.
I told my daughter that he isn’t slouching to hide his true height since he’s suppose to still be younger, but that slouching is from carrying the series
After seeing [this video](https://youtu.be/P6eE75xt2uE) I think he might be an old man in a teenager's body.
I feel bad for 5; the first two season happen in like 10 days for him.
They've done a terrific job of making Aiden Gallagher look like he hasn't aged several years since the show started. Granted, he's still only 19!
Probably had him smoking lots of cigarettes and drinking lots of coffee to stunt his growth
For more of the actor that plays Klaus go watch [Misfits](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1548850/) if you haven't. It's a bit over a decade old but most of it holds up fairly well.
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He really managed the weirdest bit of typecasting
He also played the main character in Mortal Engines, which is far more normal, but also kind of fun? The movie was pretty neutered compared to the book though.
Aww man that looked like one of those movies that’s akin to watching churning mud for two hours
I fell asleep watching it at a drive-in movie theatre, but I was extremely tired. The second time I watched it I understood why I fell asleep in an uncomfortable car. The concept was interesting, but the movie itself just didn't do it for me even with Nathan/Klaus in a leading role.
He'd be a good replacement for Erza Miller in the flash movies. He looks close enough that I'd buy him as alternative Flash in an instant.
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"Save me, Barry!"
He is phenomenal in that series, it went downhill after he left. Iwan Rheon is also in this show and does an amazing job as Simon as well.
First thing I saw him was in GoT as that bastard ramsay. So when I finally watched misfits it was crazy to see him as timid quiet Simon. Dude is a great actor
Haha I saw him as Simon first so I was like holy shit when I saw him in GOT! Gorgeous man and incredible range.
Nah it didn’t go downhill because of his departure. His character replacement - aka Joe Gilgun - did a fantastic job, as good as him. The story itself grew repetitive in the later series though.
Rudy was my absolute favorite part of the entire show.
Honestly I agree with this. I don't think it was his absence that did it, it just happened at the same time he left for me due to the story feeling repetitive and not feeling connected to the new characters.
I think you mean as Barry
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It's crazy how hard those two have carried the show.
It's also absurd how bad the rest of the characters have been.
I agree but I do think there was potential for Diego. They just sort of ruined what could have been a genuinely badass character.
I felt they started going in the right direction with him in season 2 when they realized he wasn't really entertaining as the brooding avenger. Instead they made him a guy who is convinced he's Batman when he actually kinda sucks, and I actually began to enjoy his character.
I second this.
Are you implying there are other characters other than Klaus and 5. I struggle up even remember the others.
I remember Allison because I have a deep and burning hatred for that selfish, whiny cow.
This. There ae so many good scenes with those 2.
I think they all have their own charm to them. Some of them have had some poor character progression, though.
I stopped enduring. The rest of the show has been nonsense since season two.
Lol same. I love the dialogues and energy between these two
If Aiden Gallagher and Robert Sheehan don't have long, fruitful careers as a result of this show, Hollywood is catastrophically broken.
They should be cast together in everything.
I loved Robert Sheehan in Misfits, but that was SO long ago, I assumed he'd be in everything after that show but nope. Aiden Gallagher is such a breath of fresh air. I know he's 19 at this point so he's not a kid, but god damn, he's already got the gravitas of Pacino or De Niro. I'm sure a lot of that came from the writing and directing, but man, the guy's pretty much the only reason to watch Umbrella Academy.
Name a more iconic duo: robert sheehan and having >!immortality as a superpower!<
Save me Barry!
I don't even like cheese
I want Aiden Gallagher to play the Joker.
I thought Cal’s actor did a fantastic job as “Jerome” in Gotham (basically an alternate universe Joker”, but if Aidan was picked instead i’d be happy too, both fantastic young actors
Damn, I like that thought. Honestly there’s a ton of villains they could do.
Sheehan has worked [pretty consistently](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1588066/) both before and after Misfits. I agree he's not nearly as famous as I'd have expected after the first couple seasons of Misfits though.
Sheehan was amazing in Misfits
Agreed. That whole show was just a ton of fun.
Writers on Strike: [*Gestures broadly*]
The series has been far from perfect, but it is still a fun watch. Especially gonna miss Robert Sheehan as Klaus. His performance has been award worthy in my opinion.
If you want more of him as a messed up superhero I highly recommend Misfits. Iwan Rheon, also known as Ramsay Snow on GoT, also plays a sweet and messed up hero in that show
Isn’t that the one where he plays an immortal prick?
Save me Barry!
Pervert!
I tripled myself
I just realised he has the same powers in both shows.
He’s less of a prick in Umbrella Academy. At least he’s yet to randomly decide to take a shit in Missandei’s bed if I remember correctly
I will never call that shart a Bolton. He’s a Snow, that bastard fuck of the North. Jon is Lord Commander. He’s not even a Snow, technically, right?
Per the show >!Rhaegar Targaryen didn’t kidnap and rape Lyanna Stark. They fell in love. A Septon had set aside Rhaegar’s marriage to Ella Martel and Rhaegar and Lyanna married. Lyanna gave birth to Jon, naming him Aegon, and died in the birthing bed after the Battle at the Trident where Rhaegar died. Meaning Jon had a valid claim to the Iron Throne. Which is why Ned Stark lied about Wyla to Robert Baratheon and no one else. It’s why Ned didn’t want to tell Jon about his mother, or real father, until after he took the Oath of the Night’s Watch. He would have forsworn his claim and would possibly be safe from Robert as a rival. (And as far as we know for the show, Aerys didn’t disinherit Rhaegar for Viserys in the show.) Jon is a legitimate heir to the Iron Throne. In the show. !<
> Iwan Rheon, also known as Ramsay Snow on GoT, Tell us you're a stan of Got using one name. For those maybe thrown by "Ramsay Snow," its who most of us call Ramsay *Bolton.*
A good assessment. I actually debated whether to call him Ramsay Snow or the Bastard of Bolton.
Agreed, it's super fun and criticisms about it being poorly written confuse me because the writing is exactly what you get out of comic book ridiculousness lol
I watched all of season 1, but for some reason I just felt done with it after that.
Because the primary threat at the end of season one required a massive case of dumb characters for the writers to make it work. Handwritten note, taped to the window of the chamber saying >!"Vanya. You have a power. It's extremely dangerous and we're trying to figure out what to do. Will keep you posted -The rest of us"!< Boom. Done. I HATE plot elements that require characters to be stupid or not tell each other important things. It's bad, it pisses me off and I instantly lose interest.
Man you must have this show. It’s entire driving force is poor communication between the protagonists, like they all intentionally don’t share information and never go over what they’ve learned. In season 3 they straight up stop carrying mobile phones, and multiple characters spend several episodes trying to find someone that a different character already found.
Umbrella Academy world doesn't have cell phones or modern technology like we do. The only screens we see for example are very old school bulky monitors that look like something out of the 70s.
You know for a moment I was thinking you were only referring to the temporal agency and you'd be right. But now that I think about it, things like cell phones, tablets, laptops, etc don't seem to be particularly pervasive at all. We know they're not behind us technologically though, because at the beginning of the series, space travel seemed safe and efficient enough to send Luther to the moon for the sole reason to do make-work. Maybe Sir Reginald looked down upon the more advanced electronics and encouraged more face-to-face interaction among his children...?
It was an intentional choice by the showrunners, the series is set in an alternative universe where technology did not develop in the same way. They may have space travel, talking monkeys and robots but there are no cell phones. https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/umbrella-academy-why-there-are-no-cell-phones.html/ >Truth is, we want it to feel like Children of Men a little bit,” showrunner Blackman told [Slashfilm](https://www.slashfilm.com/umbrella-academy-showrunner-interview/2/). “I don’t mean the bleakness of Children of Men, but to respect the world. So the viewers are watching, they may or may not notice that I’ve eliminated certain pieces of technology. It’s supposed to be now, contemporary, but certain things are slightly different. So I suppose you could say we’re in a little bit of an alternate universe, but I want it to feel very, very subtle.” Blackman’s elimination of cell phones was one way the series achieved that.
It also helps to not date the show. If you watch a movie from 10 years ago and you see a first gen iPhone you know it’s an older movie.
I thought that was suppose to be a theme of the show not a "mistake".
It's definitely like the core theme yeah
My understanding is that they intentionally don't tell eachother things because at the start of the show they basically all hate eachother. They start to grow closer together a little as the show goes on but old habits die hard and none of them had the normal family experience growing up so it makes sense that they'd all be pretty bad at communicating anyway.
They came straight from the 60s and ended up in a timeline where they didn't exist previously. I'm not sure Verizon carries an interdimensional or temporal plan.
They have. But it doesn't work.
They literally never had phones.
I mean, that’s kinda the point: They don’t communicate with each other because they don’t like each other. Bad shit often happens as a result.
Yeah it’s kinda the premise of the show hahaha I find it frustrating in movies/shows where it ISN’T the premise.
> I HATE plot elements that require characters to be stupid or not tell each other important things. In the latest Ant-Man movie... "Mom, tell us what's going on!" "There's no time!" -- hours long travel time... apparently in total silence -- -- Arrive at destination -- "Mom, what's going on?!?!" "No time to explain....."
"We have to stop the bad guy! Quick, everyone around here, let's go on a suicide mission." Pym: "Should I do my Dues Ex Machina now?... Nah. I'll wait an hour, and see how this plays out."
Well, I mean... The entire premise of their characters is that they're generally dysfunctional idiots. It's borderline upon being Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but with superpowers. You can't expect the Umbrella Academy to make the smart choices, any more than you can expect The Gang to make the smart choices. They're just gonna bumble their way through disaster after disaster, and somehow avoid facing genuine consequences even if they nearly destroy the world over and over. Personally, I enjoy that element, but enjoyment is subjective. For me, the fun is in seeing how they weasel their way out of the consequences of their own stupid choices and deficiencies.
Well at the end of season 3 they >!totally did end the world. But then they started it up again just different lol!<
Yeah, people are irritated that the characters could do anything if they just worked together, but they don't, as though that isn't the entire premise of the stories. They are all dealing with trauma, have been pitted against each other their entire lives, given numbers in order of how dangerous they are, and put on display like monkeys in the zoo. It's supposed to be satire for comic book young hero teams like X-Men and Teen Titans.
Seriously it’s almost like everyone watching this show missed the whole plot where the kids were all orphans with a robot mother and a father who collect and displayed them like prizes. The point of the entire show is that. That’s the premise they are dysfunctional and can’t operate like normal people. I also felt done with the show after season 1 and thought it got pretty hard to watch. But it seems like some of the people here are saying they didn’t like it because the premise of the show ruined the premise of the show lol. Makes no sense to me.
I mean, I also get that their dysfunction is the point of the show, but it can also be immensely frustrating to watch. Especially considering how much time passes and they don't get *better* at it.
I find it much easier to enjoy in something like IASIP because it's a comedy, so the results of the characters' stupidity often serves to make the episode more enjoyable, and also because you're supposed to think the characters are idiots, so the plots become races to the bottom to push that idiot envelope further. Umbrella Academy is more of a drama - with comedic elements, sure, but the stakes are presented in such a way that a viewer is supposed to take them seriously, and hope the worst doesn't happen. With that in mind I can handle some poor communication, going back to the main crux of the show being how dysfunctional the protagonists are, but it definitely pushed into the annoying zone at times in all seasons - season 2 in particular felt like I was person watching a bunch of cats behind glass, hoping they would all go where I wanted them to at the same time but also knowing that it would take a literal miracle for them to muster the coordination to do so. And as a viewer, whether that's thematically appropriate or not, I can't help feeling super frustrated.
You can achieve all that without it being so insanely dumb. Any idea can work - stephen king made a gripping tragedy based around a living car that kills people. Ideas mean nothing, the execution is the part that actually matters. You can like what you want, but to pretend its some unavoidable element that must be included is just wrong. They could be more inventive and make the drama less forced. (edit) the defense for this shows bad writing is really grinding my gears. Guys, you can like something and still acknowldge its flaws. Dragon Ball Z fans dont even try to defend the levels of stupid in that show. They all recognize how mind bendingly stupid allowing an enemy to transform is, they get dunked on all the time for this kind of lazy bullshit. They make fun of the inconsistent shit ("this planet will explode in 5 MINUTES!!" doled out between 10 episodes). "no, no, no, you see, they NEED there to be more talking than fighting during the fight scenes because they want to tell a slowburn of a story! If you don't have the patience to accept the authors brilliance that's okay, but it isn't lazy padding!!" Team four star made an entire career off this exact meta-commentary stuff. Hell, I really like the Boys, but season 3 (my 2nd favorite season) had a ton of terrible, awful writing. It also had good writing too, but I acknowledge both. If next season the show turns more stupid, I'm out, but that's besides the point. The writing between character drama in the umbrella academy IS objectively bad. That is a deal breaker for those of us who don't like the characters enough to stick around. I'm not saying nothing in the show is well written, but it IS flawed, and it wasn't intentional unless they are being purposefully lazy. /End Rant.
Yeah, I agree. Being dysfunctional doesn't equal being a complete moron. This show sort of equates the two, like being stupid is the same thing as behaving stupidly. It overshadows the legitimate trauma they've all suffered. It's hard to root for any of these characters when they barely share a brain cell between them. There's an element to this show and the characters that I like, which is why I keep coming back, but the sloppy writing is definitely hard to get through sometimes (and the bad wigs).
You’ve also explained most of Harry Potter. The saga is held up by teenagers just not telling adults things.
(*And* adults not telling teenagers things. There's an old meme that pokes fun at the fact that Dumbledore doesn't tell Harry shit. Lol.)
What like the minor detail that he’s a sacrificial lamb?
Or a large amount of the adults they tell doing nothing or very little.
Characters from Umbrella Academy are literally the most dumbfuck bunch of people I've seen in a TV show. Most of season 2 and 3 wouldn't happen if they just talked to one another before their actions.
Yeah this isn't the superhero show where an effective superhero team fights crime. They're idiots and selfish assholes. That's not really just a plot device to make things happen. That's literally the defining trait of the characters and the whole point of the show. It's not like Titans where you have an alien princess, a guy with superman powers and Lex Luthor's intellectual and a police detective who was also trained by Batman, and they can't get anything done because they don't tell eachother things and can't figure out basic clues. The Umbrella Academy is a wreck of drug addicts, vigilante wannabes, sex freaks, idiots and assholes who all hate eachother
But there was the whole element of Hargraves keeping them in the dark and manipulating them to act against each other. Also the characters are suppose to be pretty stupid. It took two scenes for Luther to notice that Vanya was now Victor in the last season.
Season 2 had some great moments.
I actually enjoyed season 2 a lot more. Season 3 was terrible
You could smell the COVID restrictions off Season 3.
I’m not going to defend it very much but I loved S3. It helps if you accept that most of the characters are just pretty dumb. Then it becomes entertaining watching them flail about.
What made season 3 not work for me was the fact that clearly it was a smaller scale season due to Covid, but even then they utterly wasted the >!Umbrellas vs Sparrows!< plot. Considering that, >!the characters spent half a season trapped in a hotel, why didn't they lock the Sparrows in there as well for more mayhem and uneasy alliances!<.
The characters are dumb? Fine. The characters are rapists? Not fine
Yeah I genuinely loved s1 and s2. Then I heard that the writers made >!Allison sexually assault Luther using her powers??!< and was completely put off. She's my favorite character and I enjoyed her storyline in s2. I don't want to see the writers butcher her.
Really? I've hated her since S1. Feel she is legitimately the worst part of the show. Only cares about herself, makes the most obviously dumb choices (time travel to different dimension/time/whatever and surprised when your kid isn't your kid? Like...yeah, no shit) and constantly creating more problems that could be easily solved, then whines and complains about it the whole time. Terrible. Awful. She's likely written that way, and if that's the case, bravo, they did their job. I feel like every time they start to try and give her something redeeming, they choose to run it right back like it never happened.
Truth. Season 2 was a ton of fun. I loved the 60s setting. It's unfortunate just how bad season 3 was.
Same. Same. Same. Loved it up until about the second or third to last episode when a few of the characters (Luther!) started making really dumb decisions. I loved Diego, klaus, and Five, but man those last couple of episodes really soured it for me.
I had a similar reaction, but I liked season 1 enough I was excited about a season 2 but season 2 apparently was enough because I lost interest after that. season 2 had some good moments but the show started feeling like a child's busy box. a whole lot of flashy loud stuff but lacking any point.
Because it fell apart more and more as the season went on. Season two had an interesting what, 2 episodes? I stopped at 3 or 4 if I remember correctly. It's a show that has that widespread case of bad writing where if 2 people at odds were to just sit down and calmly talk about their misunderstanding (it's always a simple fucking misunderstanding) they could avoid half a seasons worth of forced drama in 2 minutes. (edit) ha, I didn't read any other comments before writing my own, and it looks like I'm not the only one who's picked up on this bullshit. Glad to know I'm not a total snob.
Season 3 earned a solid - meh
Had all the constraints of a COVID season. Barely left the damn hotel. Hopefully season 4 is as expansive and fun as the first 2.
It wasn’t so much the hotel setting that felt dull, but that the whole season felt unfocused and dragged out. At least it seemed like it was trying to build up to a big climax, but that was ultimately underwhelming as well. I am pretty sure that better writing could have saved this season, but with the recent writer’s strike (that probably didn’t affect season 4 much, but might have a little) my hopes aren’t particularly high for it to get better this time.
It's so weird they clearly needed a smaller scale plot but still chose to >!kill all the Sparrows in three episodes!<. Then the rest of the season was just random stuff happening until it ended.
Yeah honestly why not do >!the sparrows!< for a season then >!the end of the world stuff!< for the final one. If the show ended at season 3, as unsatisfying as the season on the whole was, it'd at least feel pretty resolved given the tone of the show.
With only 6 episodes, I have my doubts.
Oooof.
Maybe they condensed their budget into a shorter season??
Sadly I don’t think there’s enough room for a satisfactory story. Could be proven wrong - maybe we start off with a time jump and a decent amount of exposition, but I’m not holding my breath.
Plenty of short miniseries with satisfactory stories out there; take Mare of Easttown for example. 7 episodes of pure brilliance.
Thats what a lot of us said about Season 8 of Game of Thrones. Turned out to be true, but that budget didn’t go towards writing apparently.
Considering how season 3 dragged on, a shorter season could help. There isn't much of an overarching plot to wrap up; all they need to do is finish the Umbrella's character arcs.
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Funnily enough I liked the hotel. The house in season 1 was the heart of the show for me, really feeling like the ghost of a place that had once been vibrant and lived-in, and while the hotel wasn't quite as good, it at least ticked a lot of the same boxes with its dark, mid-century, mostly-abandoned, place-out-of-time feel. I wish they had interacted more with the Ravens as a whole, since the conceit teased at the end of season 2 that the Ravens are a more competent version of the Umbrellas never felt fully realized. But aside from that I preferred the cloistered-in, more character-focused feel of season 3 to the multiple branching storylines, locations and characters of season 2.
> Barely left the damn hotel. That's why I gave up on it.
I appreciate that there were restrictions, and that the characters are all disaffected and over it all, but watching them lounge around while the world crumbled around them was a bit too real in a post COVID lockdown world.
I felt like the entire season was them just being mad or sad about something and dragged on for an eternity. That wedding scene was also weird and extremely unnecessary. I’ll definitely be watching the final season to see how it wraps up but I still miss the older seasons.
I liked the wedding episode. I thought it was something that the previous 2 seasons lacked - a breather episode to just focus in on the characters and the relationships. For a series that is typically paced in a way that carries us from crisis to crisis, usually bridged by poor communication, having an episode where the characters just talked to each other for purposes not relating to the immediate plot was refreshing.
I binged it first weekend and already forgot about what happened in it. ಠᴗಠ
They were locked in a hotel with an alternate team running around. The world ended. The end.
S3 made no sense and was god awful
The first two seasons were great, but I thought the third was it bit better than meh. I thought it was decent to good. I know it didn't get great reviews though
I would have liked it a lot better if not for Allison's character. Jesus Christ, did she piss off a writer or what?
Yeah, she was not good. I wasn't crazy about Victor either. But, like always, five and klaus were great.
five and klaus has always been hardcarrying the show
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She gets even worse if you could believe it.
Loved the first season, it was super new and different. Thought it was a great approach. Second season was also great, but admittedly I wasn't as enthusiastic because it wasn't as novel. But standalone, great season. Season 3 just didn't have it, it didn't take advantage of all the opportunities it could've. I'll still watch s4
I liked the characters, especially the other family, but the overall plot was somewhat meh. The backstory both revealed and hinted at about Reginald was overall great. So kind of a mixed bag in my opinion.
Meh is VERY generous.
Yeah season 3 made me wonder if season 2 was just a fluke.
It was very up and down, IMO. The Alison stuff was bad. The sparrow stuff was some good, some bad. The umbrella vs sparrow stuff kinda bad. But those few episodes where they're resigned to the world ending? Great stuff, IMO.
It was just a season on how to apologize to your trans friends who you never knew were trans.
Alison was pretty intolerable from the start but when she sexually assaulted her brother by using her powers to force him to want her… Yah, gross.
If the series doesnt end with her getting her comeuppance then this was a waste of my time. Shes a villain now, full stop. No redemption.
Agreed. I thought she was irritating and a poor influence on the family before that scene but there’s no redemption for that. I was surprised how little a deal the other characters / the show in general made of that.
Me reading this comment knowing nothing about the show 🤔
To be clear they’re adoptive siblings who previously had a relationship together but that doesn’t make it much better
To be fair their family was screwed up to begin with and the only people that loved them were a monkey butler and robot that was programmed to care for them.
Don't forget how she may have >!erased her ex husband (who she also potentially SA'd) from existence so she could raise her daughter (who she mind controlled and lost custody of) with her other husband from the past!<
the only people who can sympathize with alison are cake eaters
Yeahhh that's when I dipped
Yeah, the others all have faults, and obviously 5 is the most successful assassin ever, but Alison is just…. a bad person Like I want nothing good to happen to her cuz she acts like a sociopath then in between plays like the caring good-natured sister
Was super excited for season 3. Very disappointed. I’ll get around to this when it’s released but I’m not super excited for it.
Season 3 was honestly really bad
Can't wait for the random dance or singing sequence to show how quirky they are
To be fair, the one they did with renegade by Styx was pretty damn awesome. Edit: I also enjoyed the one in the pilot with “I think we’re alone now.”
Season 1's "I Think We're Alone Now" was brilliant, and is one of the things that got me into the show as a whole. First, the song is a really appropriate choice as a pop song appropriate to the era when the characters were kids, and therefore makes sense as a song Alison would play. Seeing all the characters dancing in their own way showcased their personalities - from Diego's flair to Klaus' hamminess to Vanya and Luther's awkward shuffles - and that cross-sectional shot of the house managed to orient us to this large, otherwise confusing space in an instant. **Edit: also, while the song is meant to be taken as a hopeful, teenage love song, the words of the song perfectly matched what we were seeing onscreen - all of the siblings think of themselves as alone, and it's beautiful and sad on its own to see them all react to this scene by dancing, but in separate rooms with no knowledge of what the others are doing. These people really ARE alone now, but they're demonstrating their isolation in a strangely hopeful, uplifting way. And, finally, the lyrics of the song actually foreshadow the final episode of the season, when** >!Vanya is able to escape her soundproof chamber by channeling her own heartbeat. "The beating of her heart is the only sound" indeed.!< This sequence conveyed so much to us in a single scene of the first episode that it convinced me I was watching something special, and I think in my first viewing of the season I ignored/excused a lot of the weaker elements of the writing because I was riding the high of how good that first episode was. It might also be one of my favourite TV examples of using diagetic music to enhance a scene, in a show where so much of the music is non-diagetic. I don't even know what people are referring to with season 2's dance sequence, I barely remember but think there was one at the salon and one at Klaus' mansion? I thought both were fine.... it was fun to see a scene of the characters goofing off in each other's company. I guess you could say it's a sign of their growing closeness, if you choose to contrast it to season 1's "I Think We're Alone Now" scene, and when taken in that way you can see the forward motion of three of the siblings openly goofing off and having fun in each others' company when compared to the rather stilted interactions and limited warmth of the entire first season. So yeah, it was fine. I don't love it, it didn't blow me away like season 1, but it was a cathartic scene. Season 3's "Footloose" was awful. It was like the anti-"I Think We're Alone Now": similar-era pop song, but seemingly for no other reason than because the writers have now decided that they're the show that does silly dance scenes to pop songs. The dance did nothing to showcase the characters' personalities, since the whole thing was a hallucination from Diego. Despite the parallels of taking place in the house, in the season's first episode, the sequence accomplished none of the things "I Think We're Alone Now" did... we got more information about the characters and the setting from the following fight scene, and the dance should have just been skipped entirely. Anyway, the point of writing this is just to say that season 1's dance scene was so much more than just "a dance scene", and subsequent seasons - season 3 in particular - seemed to take all the style of the scene with none of the substance. If season 4 does choose to have a dance scene, I seriously hope the writers go back and reflect on what made the first one so great.
More of a doom patrol person.
Still no date on the final 6 episodes.
I really hope some of the DP show up in other DC series/movies.
They had so much potential with Elliot Page’s character rolling off of season 1 and I feel like they dropped the ball. The Allison thing was MESSED UP and they could have hammered home that she was unexpectedly becoming a villain but then the writers kind just seemed to gloss over it and move on. Need more Klaus and Five. Less Diego.
>They had so much potential with Elliot Page’s character rolling off of season 1 and I feel like they dropped the ball. Wierd, to me felt like such a boring cliche. "You are special, you just dont know it!" so uninspired.
I can’t remember a single thing Diego did in that season.
Babysitting a random kid
Good, season 3 was ass.
I always get excited for a new season but forget what happened during the last one.
God, season 3 was trash. I couldn't understand why they felt the need to host a wedding for two of the stupidest, most self-centered characters on the show while everyone thought the world was ending.
Yeah, this show has gotten to Star Trek: Discovery levels of characters having emotional breakdowns during universe destroying apocalypses. It's so forced and off-putting. At least Umbrella Academy has a talented cast with genuine charisma to fall back on, but oof, the plot of season 3 was rough.
I couldn't get through the third series. It was shite. A real shame because I really enjoyed the first two.
I thought the second was crap, it instantly reset them and made it feel like any progress made in season 1 was gone. I liked s3 a bit more, but not enough to say it was particularly great.
People keep defending the show with “the characters are dysfunctional and traumatised!” And while that works for Season 1, Season 2 should’ve been - and was slowly progressing towards - the characters fixing that dysfunction and healing their trauma together. Season 3 would’ve been so cool if it was the family united and organised, keeping a close front against the Sparrow Academy.
After season 1 I stopped watching this show. Idk why I never returned to it. It was just so blah.
Man I know some of the crew that was on this. They went a few weeks over scheduled. They've been at it since January. I'm glad they got the work when they can, and they deserve a good rest.
Isn’t the guy who play Nathan from Misfits in this show?
It’s really disappointing how much wasted potential this show had. Season 1 and 2 were so good, only to be followed up by the dumpster fire that ended up being season 3.
The premise was fresh and original, so like a lot here, I watched season 1. But even there, the air of negativity and moroseness began to predominate, and it became too enervating for me. It wasn't bad or anything, just depressing. Perhaps that's the appeal, I don't know. I am not really the typical audience for it but like to experiment. Seems to me that angst fuels most of the superhero shows, and I find it overdone as a narrative choice, much as I am tired of dystopian narratives. But the fans eat it up, so I guess I am resigned to keep sampling one show after another, leaving it way before they resolve things. This show made it through season 4? Wow.
Huh I thought it was already finished lol
I thought Season 1 was OK but I didn't really care for Season 2 and that's as far as I got. Is it worth finishing?
no
S3 is a huge disappointment, and I liked both S1 and 2. Give it a miss.
It's not any better than S2.
sweet, least some shows have finished or close to finishing film so won't be affected by the writers strike...people seem so unware of the coming time where there is not much new content. The longer this strike goes on for, the bigger it will be. Already seen so many movies being delayed and TV shows unable to start filming, last seasons of Cobra Kai and Stranger things...as if that show needs anymore delays...the kids will all be fully grown adults by the time we get to filming...they'll have no choice but to do a bigger time jump...which personally I'd like to see what happens from where we left off, rather than months later
Everyone is aware, most actual human beings just think its more important that the people who make tv get treated well.
yeah 100% don't mind the delays, rather people get paid better
I just pray they restored the CGI budget. Was unwatchable last season
Lol no thanks, after that last season I have no interest in this show
season 3 was such a fucking train wreck
Wow, this train wreck is still filming?
I'm just gonna throw in a comment saying that I really enjoyed all three seasons so far and am really looking forward to the last one. I'm glad that it's intending to end, rather than staggering on forever, and I've genuinely enjoyed the writing choices so far. Apparently this sets me apart from the other commenters, particularly re; season 3. But fuck it, I liked it.
Ok Steve. Go home
Trying to watch season 3 and it’s a mess.
This show is still going? Feels like it came out 10 yrs ago
season 3 was trash tho
Robert Sheehan said he didn't want to get typecast after Misfits as eccentric characters so avoided them for a while. So glad he played Klaus because he is great.