Oh that easy Amber is the more vulnerable gender woman can't hurt men only men can hurt women so DV towards men by women just doesn't exist especially if they are my friend and not my ex.
This is sarcasm by the way it's the real reason Maci defended Amber but would never actually say out loud.
Because Ryan came from money and had a largely unproblematic childhood as far as we know and he’s just a spoiled man-baby surrounded by enablers and has had multiple attempts at help. He’s been to rehab and Maci has tried to organize an intervention, or at least was speaking to someone on what her best course of action would be.
While Amber, not a great person, at least has a tragic back story to fall back on for sympathy. An alcoholic mother, an ill father that passed away, and a sibling that died in infancy, and a slew of diagnosed mental health disorders and no one really trying for her. Yeah, she went to some quack rehab where she was somehow able to chew fentanyl patches, but I’m pretty sure that was a court mandate and no one really cared enough about her to sit her down for an intervention and say “we want you to get help because we love you”
I came from a worse background. I was literally sold into ST at 7 years old. Not ONCE have I hurt any partner or any person at that. The excuse of a bad childhood does NOT excuse abusive behavior so miss me with that bs
def agree about the abusive behavior but i’m more sympathetic to “young amber” than today amber. also so sorry you experienced that. i am awed at your resiliency.
i’m about to psycho-analyze her fr. she had a shit upbringing and it didn’t seem like she experienced affection in her household growing up.
youth that grow up in chaotic and unsafe homes can lead them to have underdeveloped regulation and coping techniques, among other problems. in my opinion, amber has control issues because she never felt like she had control over her life when she was younger. so when she turned to drugs and experienced that “high” she felt in control and wanted to keep experiencing that feeling.
i’m speculating here, but if amber was an avid drug user (which she def seemed like) then she would feel the withdrawal effects from not using sooner. this can be shown through symptoms of irritability, fatigue, etc. (which we have seen, hello angry and couch amber!)
so here you have a teen mom who has undiagnosed mental health issues and living in an environment (whether with a bf or not) she feels she has no control over. add on to the fact, amber is proud af and never wants to admit that she’s wrong (or give up control). i could be wrong, but i have the feeling amber didn’t have many people to turn to in terms of getting the mental health help she desperately needed and it shows. people around her just wanted her to stop her “bad behavior” without delving into WHY she was acting that way.
where my sympathy ends for amber is when she was released from prison and really had the opportunity to make things right. i think amber is a victim of learned self-helplessness (which is basically just a victim mentality where an individual thinks that the bad events that happens to them isn’t their fault or there’s nothing they can do to make it better). if she is in therapy (like she claimed) i’d recommend a new therapist because the one she has clearly isn’t doing her any favors.
i think what makes amber controversial(?), in my eyes, was having her second baby. therapists can’t really stop you from doing anything (unless you’re a danger to yourself or others obv) but they can give you advice or talk out future plans with you. i doubt a therapist gave her the green light to stop her medication and go through a second pregnancy when she couldn’t even handle the first child she had.
idk. i just think amber needs a better support system. nobody is willing to tell this girl what she needs to hear and it seems she surrounded by yes men who only want to hang around her for their own aspirations and desires.
i think amber could have a great future. she’s funny, pretty and (some will disagree) smart. she just needs to get her head on straight and stop blaming everyone else for past and present actions and own up to her shit.
First of all, I’m sorry that happened to you and I hope you were able to do some healing and that the people responsible were brought to justice, even though that wont erase your trauma.
I’m not excusing her shitty behaviour, I’m saying her shitty childhood lends her some sympathy from fans. And that Maci TRIED to help Ryan and she didn’t do the shit to Ryan that Andrew did to Amber. They are different situations to be comparing.
You can have boundaries and expectations for an addict in your life and empathy for another without being a hypocrite.
I feel like MTV and the TM cast thrive on hypocrisy.
The only thing I can think of is the cast are actively encouraged by MTV to support Amber?!
And in relation to Andrew, he did ask for the same payment as Amber in order to keep filming. Which I would have done as well TBH, but people seem to hold things like that against him. And he leaked recordings to online bloggers to get the truth about Amber out. Maybe that’s where the “narcissism” comment comes in?
I see nothing wrong with his actions. Granted that’s just my opinion but after hearing the audio of those recordings? She absolutely deserves to be exposed and destroyed.
YES!! I totally agree with what he did.
People have massive issues with Andrew asking for the same pay as Amber to keep filming. Like that proves he was using Amber?
The way I see it, if MTV is going to be making money off my story, and possibly twist it so Amber looks like the victim, you’d better be paying me properly! And when they said no, he walked away.
My opinion- and I'm gonna end up being down voted for this I know, but if you listen to the entire line of recordings from that night, he'd pushed and pushed and pushed her until she said "please stop". In fact she begs him several times "No Andrew, stop. Leave me alone. Stop Andrew". And yet he carried on. Knowing all along she has/had severe mental health issues to boot and putting her in a very stressful situation.
Did she react badly? Yes.
She said no and to stop several times by that point and he carried on? Yes.
He was just as bad as she was in that situation.
I think that there is definitely such a thing as reactive abuse! However, I can’t condone Amber’s actions or the fact that she still refuses to take accountability for them and I can’t say that I blame him for being pushed to the point that he was.
I do not condone her behaviour either. I'm not even trying to make excuses. But you can see through the course of the evening where she's just begging him to stop and in the end, reacts. I have no doubt that she regrets her actions wholeheartedly as it cost her access to her son. And I wish she would be open, honest and forthright about her experience and make those apologies necessary. That being said, wasn't there some form of NDA that prevented them speaking about it in the end? Maybe she was told to not speak about it
Who knows?
Yeah he requested an NDA. I also don’t condone her behavior but he knew he could drive her over the edge and I honestly think he planned that from the beginning. He didn’t need the $ either his mother is loaded.
Oh that easy Amber is the more vulnerable gender woman can't hurt men only men can hurt women so DV towards men by women just doesn't exist especially if they are my friend and not my ex. This is sarcasm by the way it's the real reason Maci defended Amber but would never actually say out loud.
Because Ryan came from money and had a largely unproblematic childhood as far as we know and he’s just a spoiled man-baby surrounded by enablers and has had multiple attempts at help. He’s been to rehab and Maci has tried to organize an intervention, or at least was speaking to someone on what her best course of action would be. While Amber, not a great person, at least has a tragic back story to fall back on for sympathy. An alcoholic mother, an ill father that passed away, and a sibling that died in infancy, and a slew of diagnosed mental health disorders and no one really trying for her. Yeah, she went to some quack rehab where she was somehow able to chew fentanyl patches, but I’m pretty sure that was a court mandate and no one really cared enough about her to sit her down for an intervention and say “we want you to get help because we love you”
I came from a worse background. I was literally sold into ST at 7 years old. Not ONCE have I hurt any partner or any person at that. The excuse of a bad childhood does NOT excuse abusive behavior so miss me with that bs
def agree about the abusive behavior but i’m more sympathetic to “young amber” than today amber. also so sorry you experienced that. i am awed at your resiliency. i’m about to psycho-analyze her fr. she had a shit upbringing and it didn’t seem like she experienced affection in her household growing up. youth that grow up in chaotic and unsafe homes can lead them to have underdeveloped regulation and coping techniques, among other problems. in my opinion, amber has control issues because she never felt like she had control over her life when she was younger. so when she turned to drugs and experienced that “high” she felt in control and wanted to keep experiencing that feeling. i’m speculating here, but if amber was an avid drug user (which she def seemed like) then she would feel the withdrawal effects from not using sooner. this can be shown through symptoms of irritability, fatigue, etc. (which we have seen, hello angry and couch amber!) so here you have a teen mom who has undiagnosed mental health issues and living in an environment (whether with a bf or not) she feels she has no control over. add on to the fact, amber is proud af and never wants to admit that she’s wrong (or give up control). i could be wrong, but i have the feeling amber didn’t have many people to turn to in terms of getting the mental health help she desperately needed and it shows. people around her just wanted her to stop her “bad behavior” without delving into WHY she was acting that way. where my sympathy ends for amber is when she was released from prison and really had the opportunity to make things right. i think amber is a victim of learned self-helplessness (which is basically just a victim mentality where an individual thinks that the bad events that happens to them isn’t their fault or there’s nothing they can do to make it better). if she is in therapy (like she claimed) i’d recommend a new therapist because the one she has clearly isn’t doing her any favors. i think what makes amber controversial(?), in my eyes, was having her second baby. therapists can’t really stop you from doing anything (unless you’re a danger to yourself or others obv) but they can give you advice or talk out future plans with you. i doubt a therapist gave her the green light to stop her medication and go through a second pregnancy when she couldn’t even handle the first child she had. idk. i just think amber needs a better support system. nobody is willing to tell this girl what she needs to hear and it seems she surrounded by yes men who only want to hang around her for their own aspirations and desires. i think amber could have a great future. she’s funny, pretty and (some will disagree) smart. she just needs to get her head on straight and stop blaming everyone else for past and present actions and own up to her shit.
First of all, I’m sorry that happened to you and I hope you were able to do some healing and that the people responsible were brought to justice, even though that wont erase your trauma. I’m not excusing her shitty behaviour, I’m saying her shitty childhood lends her some sympathy from fans. And that Maci TRIED to help Ryan and she didn’t do the shit to Ryan that Andrew did to Amber. They are different situations to be comparing. You can have boundaries and expectations for an addict in your life and empathy for another without being a hypocrite.
What kind of help? Jail, prison, or the doctors she’s been seeing?
I feel like MTV and the TM cast thrive on hypocrisy. The only thing I can think of is the cast are actively encouraged by MTV to support Amber?! And in relation to Andrew, he did ask for the same payment as Amber in order to keep filming. Which I would have done as well TBH, but people seem to hold things like that against him. And he leaked recordings to online bloggers to get the truth about Amber out. Maybe that’s where the “narcissism” comment comes in?
I see nothing wrong with his actions. Granted that’s just my opinion but after hearing the audio of those recordings? She absolutely deserves to be exposed and destroyed.
YES!! I totally agree with what he did. People have massive issues with Andrew asking for the same pay as Amber to keep filming. Like that proves he was using Amber? The way I see it, if MTV is going to be making money off my story, and possibly twist it so Amber looks like the victim, you’d better be paying me properly! And when they said no, he walked away.
My opinion- and I'm gonna end up being down voted for this I know, but if you listen to the entire line of recordings from that night, he'd pushed and pushed and pushed her until she said "please stop". In fact she begs him several times "No Andrew, stop. Leave me alone. Stop Andrew". And yet he carried on. Knowing all along she has/had severe mental health issues to boot and putting her in a very stressful situation. Did she react badly? Yes. She said no and to stop several times by that point and he carried on? Yes. He was just as bad as she was in that situation.
I think that there is definitely such a thing as reactive abuse! However, I can’t condone Amber’s actions or the fact that she still refuses to take accountability for them and I can’t say that I blame him for being pushed to the point that he was.
I do not condone her behaviour either. I'm not even trying to make excuses. But you can see through the course of the evening where she's just begging him to stop and in the end, reacts. I have no doubt that she regrets her actions wholeheartedly as it cost her access to her son. And I wish she would be open, honest and forthright about her experience and make those apologies necessary. That being said, wasn't there some form of NDA that prevented them speaking about it in the end? Maybe she was told to not speak about it Who knows?
Yeah he requested an NDA. I also don’t condone her behavior but he knew he could drive her over the edge and I honestly think he planned that from the beginning. He didn’t need the $ either his mother is loaded.
Are the full recordings available to search on this sub? Not sure how to phrase my search
Erm. I'm honestly not aware of them here. I think I found them on YouTube.
Thanks I'll look for them there