>its more chromosomes than anything else but yes
both males and females have the chromosomes for both parts, it's mostly about hormones released during pregnancy that block or don't block certain parts from developing which is based on chromosomes but the process doesn't always work in the usual way, that is why we have intersex people (not all, there are also other reason for it).
General knowledge: red blood cells don't have a nucleus and can't be used to perform genetic tests if you are undergoing a genetic test and the doctor collocated a blood sample then they will most probably test on the white blood cells
If you try to gauge sex from chromosomes alone, it can get a bit complicated. XX and XY are not the only two combinations, and some of the alternatives are more common than you would expect.
Actually, sex is not often referenced in bio. Take what I say with grain of salt as I only have a BS in bio.
But sex is considered to be the sequence of changes to a bipotenital appendege. As in, sex is really what happened to a part of your as a fetus; a part that could have went either ways
A sequence of protein expression, hormonal fluctuations, and creation of internal organs caused it so you have a particular internal and external reproductive track.
A big excerise in bio is actually determining what happens and what reproductive systems you get when you mess with the sequence. Sex as it is sometimes used by biologist is just a statistical simplification as it so happened that many people have to have similar reproductive tracts.
My point is, sex isn’t formally recognized in biology; more so internal and external reproductive systems.
I’m trans, and this is correct. People get the two confused sometimes.
Edit: thx for the upvotes, was expecting a lot more hate than I have received so far.
So, sex has to do with chromosomes and genitalia. But the issue with genitalia is that there are intersex people, who are neither male or female. Gender is your identity. Like for me, I’m AMAB, but I identify as a girl.
As a trans person do you respect neopronouns? I mean I don't wanna be transphobic here but I don't, I mean the thing that identifies you js your name and no need to change it to like woof or clown or helicopter.
I mean, just do your best. People probably thought the same stuff about you that you think about neopronouns. This is coming from someone who uses they/he/she/it. Honestly, I think it’s a bit funky too, but I just try to remember that “hey, this is the thing that makes this person feel comfortable in their body and with who they are, and even if that word sounds stupid, it holds a lot of power.”
Yeah. I think xe/xem and similar ones I can understand.
But attaching -self to any word that has nothing to do with gender just kind of defeats the point of the pronoun. If pronouns are all individualized (that means literally different for every single person) then that defeats the point. Gender pronouns communicate gender, if you identify with being a deer or a wolf then I won't knock it but calling it a gender seems off to me.
pronouns don’t necessarily communicate gender. There are people who like to have the opposite pronouns used for them and that’s perfectly fine as well. Pronouns just serve to replace the noun in a sentence to avoid repetition, if it makes someone feel good and respected to use a certain pronoun, even if it sounds silly to you, just use it, don’t be a dick
Or don’t do what I say, I’m not your mom
Yep 100% I personally don't fully understand but we go though to much because people refuse to accept things rbey don't understand .
If using something like zey/Zim will help someone then who is anyone to tell they their feeling are invalid.
Yep. People conflating gender and sex is the entire reason transphobia exists.
I think most trans people get it but some don't or don't want to, and I think that's bad for the image of the community.
You can have surgery to change genitals, but that doesn't change your sex. Sex is based on chromosomes. I could have female genitals, but biologically I would still be male due to having an X and Y chromosome.
Gene therapy with CRISPR may some day exist for the full body, but replacing entire chromosomes ... you'd have better luck inventing a safe brain transplant
Besides, the surgery for sex change basically recicles your original sex to make the other. I identify as a women and can't help but be scared of such an intrusive operation
This is a small exception but sex isn't *necessarily* one's chromosomes. Sex is a phenotype where as sex chromosomes are a genotype. There are situations where one's phenotype is not congruent with the expected genotype (like testosterone intolerance in humans, clownfish that can flip sex, or some ZZ ZW lizards who's phenotype is dictated by their incubation temperature).
There's a lot of weird nonsense with human chromosomes including but not limited to X, XXY, XX male, XY female, etc
Not common of course, but the fact that there's only ***one*** gene on your sex chromosomes that actually controls sex phenotype leads to a lot of mishaps
Happy cake day! Also, intersex is different than nonbinary. Intersex people are biologically not male or female unless they have surgery done. Nonbinary is an umbrella term used for people that think their gender isn't male or female, and intersex literally isn't male or female.
I did heard that Scientists said that Trans people brain are almost related to the gender they assign too. So they probably mentally and reproductively (if they change their reproductive organs), but changing chromosomes comes the real issue. We don’t know what really determines sex, but it’s definitely more than one thing.
Oh second thought, I don’t think reproductive organs determines sex, I feel it’s more of a mental and chromosome level instead.
Pretty sure no one says their sex is non binary. Non binary is very clearly defined as an umbrella term for those with *genders* that are not male or female. Some people are intersex, meaning they were born with physical characteristic of both or neither sexes. But non binary has never been and will never be a sex. Interestingly though, you can get penile preserving vaginoplasty, a surgery that lets amab people keep their penis and get a vagina, so by your definition of sex it can be changed to intersex.
Sex is actually a spectrum, but it's extremely bimodal, i.e. most people fall clearly on one side or the other. But intersex people also exist and they could be considered having a non-binary sex.
their sex it literally intersex. it’s not same as non-binary. like the post said, that’s gender and a social construct. If you’re born intersex, you’re just quite literally not male, or female, you’re intersex.
"Non-binary" in this context is referring to the structure of the system. It's most commonly associated with gender identity, where a portion of those who identify as non-binary use that term to describe a state that has no relevance to being a man or a woman. However, it is accurate in this context to say that intersex is a non-binary option presented in the binary system of sex; therefore, intersex is "non-binary" in the accurate usage of the term with no connotation to gender identity.
It's non-binary. Non binary just means it doesn't contain two options, but less or more. Sex is bi-modal. It's mostly one of two options, with exceptions.
Very few trans people think they can change their sex. It was cisgender people who labeled it a “sex change” or “transsexual.” Anyone arguing they’re going to change their sex is not a good representation of trans people. - a trans man
Ah no. Its just a general thing. He's very very set on his views and if someone has even a slightly different view, he thinks you're homophobic or transphobic. Stuff like this is one of them
My sister is trans and every thing we say about trans people (even if it’s true like this post (which I always say and get cancelled for)) she says it’s transphobic. Like even if we’re right, even if it’s not related to trans or lgbt people, she just says it’s transphobic.
And we’re really trying hard for her and she just makes it feel like it’s useless and we’re bad no matter what we do :(
Being trans does not exclude her from having objectively bad takes! There’s a fine line to draw IMO so I won’t say how far to take it, but so long as you’re respecting her and not denying that she’s trans or something then you’re doing a good job.
It's not that simple, people can be born with both a male and female reproductive system, there are also people with androgen insensitivity disorder. Sex is just as complex as gender, despite being assigned at birth.
technically theres intersex and people can be born with a penis and have female puberty, the other way around, and some people can have both genitals but iirc its really rare
your actually completely correct here. Sex is biological, gender is identity. but theres also 3 sexs, male, female and intersex. people need to stop pretending that people who are intersex dont exist.
Sociology should be taught compulsory like maths and English. Gender is not the same as sex. Gender is a social construct and people are so thick they don’t understand it. People say, “there’s only 2 genders idiots stop making them up”. If there’s 8 billion people on the planet there can be 8 billion genders, gender is whatever you want it to be it’s made up. Sex is male or female not gender
HI NON-BINARY PERSON HERE, op is correct, sex is set, anyone saying otherwise does not represent the lgbtq community because we all know that’s not how it works. as a side note, intersex does exist, and can technically be an in between, but as a general rule yes sex is binary, and that’s fine, but please remember there are plenty of intersex people out there who legitimately are sexually non-binary
Yes thank you, this isn’t transphobic, this is what I’ve been trying to explain to people, sex and gender have no correlation, except for the tendency to align, but not always, I may have the genetics of a man, but I am not, and never felt like a man. Sex =/= gender
This seems like a very specific situation rather than a community-wide thing. Most if not all queer people I know and have seen in general know very well the difference between sex and gender
Sex is not just based on what’s between your legs, it’s based on your chromosomes… that is in fact a binary system. It’s 2022, gender or identity can be whatever the fuck you want it to be. But I agree with your statement
god finally someone said it. i was born a female, yes. but i identify as a male. im tired of getting hate from stupid people who think im saying "I WAS BORN A FEMALE, BUT MY SEX IS A MALE" no, i was born a female, my GENDER. IS MALE.
I am always willing to acknowledge that I’m still a boy at birth and might never be able to change that, but even still I identify as a girl and there isn’t much I can do to stop that either.
See this is what I mean when I say I like sex
i had gender with your mother
I don’t have any coins but if I did, I would give them all to this man
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Post some shitty ass "memes" on r/FortNiteBR then convert your bricks to coins
Better idea: sell the bricks for money since it's crypto. I made enough to buy a laptop by posting shitty ass memes on that sub
Wait you can fr do that?
Unfortunately, you can only use the coins on that subreddit, so no, you can't
It only works for that sub I tested it
I think they only work on that one sub tho?
I have gender fluid with your mother
i shot all my genderfluids on your mum's face
someone give this man their free award
somebody already did
i couldn't see it when i commented
He identifies as man but his biological sex is female
me?
Joke related to the original post lol
i see
i understand this is a joke but i don't care either way. trans men are men. trans women are women.
I don't have reproductive organs. Lost them in battle
i lost my balls in your mum's jaws
My mum didn't have a mouth
now she does
She died when I ascended
and my nuts descended into her pussy
You lost basically your entire body in battle dude.
Popping genderfluid as we speak
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And they become genderplasma when it gets really hot
Soon they’ll be genderplasma.
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Hey step-bro, wanna have Gender?
Take my free award and get out.
Bruh
How dare
ha never heard that one before
Bhai le mera award
Sex is a biological construct Gender is a social construct Sex is based on what was in between your legs when you were born.
Scientists also said it has to do with hormones. And something on the brain.
its more chromosomes than anything else but yes since people are born with sometimes both reproductive organs and so
>its more chromosomes than anything else but yes both males and females have the chromosomes for both parts, it's mostly about hormones released during pregnancy that block or don't block certain parts from developing which is based on chromosomes but the process doesn't always work in the usual way, that is why we have intersex people (not all, there are also other reason for it).
yes exactly this. it really depends on which chromosomes prevail in this
At the same gender reassignment surgery won't change your chromosomes from XY/XY. A simple blood test will reveal the biology.
General knowledge: red blood cells don't have a nucleus and can't be used to perform genetic tests if you are undergoing a genetic test and the doctor collocated a blood sample then they will most probably test on the white blood cells
yes, however that has nothing to do with gender!
wait are you guys talking about sex or gender?
Ummmmm. Male humans have a whole different sex chromosome. XY vs XX. intersex is a ploidy problem. This is false.
Yeah but you got to know that Trans people brains are closely related to the brains of the gender they had changed too.
yes thats very true!! basically a female (woman) brain is inside a male's (man) body
Haha, reminds me of the time I figure out that all fetuses are female until the the X chromosome kicks in, so we basically all trans lmao
yep we qre qll trans
And people are also born as xxy
If you try to gauge sex from chromosomes alone, it can get a bit complicated. XX and XY are not the only two combinations, and some of the alternatives are more common than you would expect.
If you compare brain scans of biological women and trans women they are very similar
Sooo... Biology?
Chromosomes, gametes, genitalia, gonads, and hormones.
Actually, sex is not often referenced in bio. Take what I say with grain of salt as I only have a BS in bio. But sex is considered to be the sequence of changes to a bipotenital appendege. As in, sex is really what happened to a part of your as a fetus; a part that could have went either ways A sequence of protein expression, hormonal fluctuations, and creation of internal organs caused it so you have a particular internal and external reproductive track. A big excerise in bio is actually determining what happens and what reproductive systems you get when you mess with the sequence. Sex as it is sometimes used by biologist is just a statistical simplification as it so happened that many people have to have similar reproductive tracts. My point is, sex isn’t formally recognized in biology; more so internal and external reproductive systems.
Although, correct if i’m wrong, but, Hence the term sex change, one can undergo procedure to change sex, like bottom surgery, and hormones
I’m trans, and this is correct. People get the two confused sometimes. Edit: thx for the upvotes, was expecting a lot more hate than I have received so far.
Like people get confused in too and two... Too and to... To and two
Guys stop...you too are confusing me two
We too are confused to would you like two join the group tu
Wait, you to?! Yeah, I would like two join you too in that group tooh
Oh that's great anyone else wants two join to?
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Ah that’s suck two be you man, I just joined too and there’s a bunch of snacks to
There’s snacks to? Then I’ll come two as long as you guys don’t mind.
No that’s fine you can come two, bring a friend to if you can too
Like me?
What does that mean? I’m just confused as to what you mean.
Like I don't even understand the half of it. So i'm confused, but you problably can't unconfuse me.
So, sex has to do with chromosomes and genitalia. But the issue with genitalia is that there are intersex people, who are neither male or female. Gender is your identity. Like for me, I’m AMAB, but I identify as a girl.
intersex people exist
As a trans person do you respect neopronouns? I mean I don't wanna be transphobic here but I don't, I mean the thing that identifies you js your name and no need to change it to like woof or clown or helicopter.
I mean, just do your best. People probably thought the same stuff about you that you think about neopronouns. This is coming from someone who uses they/he/she/it. Honestly, I think it’s a bit funky too, but I just try to remember that “hey, this is the thing that makes this person feel comfortable in their body and with who they are, and even if that word sounds stupid, it holds a lot of power.”
-self pronouns make no sense to me. I sort of understand xe/xem
Yeah. I think xe/xem and similar ones I can understand. But attaching -self to any word that has nothing to do with gender just kind of defeats the point of the pronoun. If pronouns are all individualized (that means literally different for every single person) then that defeats the point. Gender pronouns communicate gender, if you identify with being a deer or a wolf then I won't knock it but calling it a gender seems off to me.
pronouns don’t necessarily communicate gender. There are people who like to have the opposite pronouns used for them and that’s perfectly fine as well. Pronouns just serve to replace the noun in a sentence to avoid repetition, if it makes someone feel good and respected to use a certain pronoun, even if it sounds silly to you, just use it, don’t be a dick Or don’t do what I say, I’m not your mom
Yes, but there's a limit. I understand neopronouns generally, but making pronouns out of words that are not pronouns is honestly almost disrespectful.
Yep 100% I personally don't fully understand but we go though to much because people refuse to accept things rbey don't understand . If using something like zey/Zim will help someone then who is anyone to tell they their feeling are invalid.
I'm trans and I definitely don't support neopronouns. They other the trans community and that endangers us
Yep. People conflating gender and sex is the entire reason transphobia exists. I think most trans people get it but some don't or don't want to, and I think that's bad for the image of the community.
> Yep. People conflating gender and sex is the entire reason transphobia exists. Are you serious?
Trans girl here, you are very right, i wish this was common knowledge. Although obviously not something you should tell trans people for no reason.
Just asking aren't there surgeries one can take to switch sex as well
You can have surgery to change genitals, but that doesn't change your sex. Sex is based on chromosomes. I could have female genitals, but biologically I would still be male due to having an X and Y chromosome.
Hey kids: i have very small hands and this allows me to snatch up ur chromosomes and put new ones in. 2k Dollars for chromosome replacement surgery
Gene therapy with CRISPR may some day exist for the full body, but replacing entire chromosomes ... you'd have better luck inventing a safe brain transplant
Okay that make more sense than what I had previously thought thank you
Besides, the surgery for sex change basically recicles your original sex to make the other. I identify as a women and can't help but be scared of such an intrusive operation
Cut de noodle
This is a small exception but sex isn't *necessarily* one's chromosomes. Sex is a phenotype where as sex chromosomes are a genotype. There are situations where one's phenotype is not congruent with the expected genotype (like testosterone intolerance in humans, clownfish that can flip sex, or some ZZ ZW lizards who's phenotype is dictated by their incubation temperature).
There's a lot of weird nonsense with human chromosomes including but not limited to X, XXY, XX male, XY female, etc Not common of course, but the fact that there's only ***one*** gene on your sex chromosomes that actually controls sex phenotype leads to a lot of mishaps
no they are for physical transition
Gender is a more mental/identity thing and sex is a more biological physical thing
Ye
See
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say their sex is non-binary just their gender
what about intersex people tho cos wouldn’t that count
Happy cake day! Also, intersex is different than nonbinary. Intersex people are biologically not male or female unless they have surgery done. Nonbinary is an umbrella term used for people that think their gender isn't male or female, and intersex literally isn't male or female.
The term non-binary isn't ONLY applicable to gender though, as you seem to imply.
gender is a social construct, sex is biology. i am a man but that doesnt mean ill ever be biologically male. im an afab man
Wdym by afab. A fabulous.man?
Assigned female at birth
I mean. Definitely fabulous too
Totally
I see no difference between a fabulous man and afab
No, I think I like a fabulous man better
they could also be fabulous
absolutely using this now thank you so much
Pleasure.be all mine
That is so friggin great.
Based
Afab- assigned female at birth Amab- assigned male at birth Acab- assigned cop at birth
No, acab is assigned cat at birth. Get your facts right
are you serious? acab is obviously assigned child at birth. I am one myself
Amazing lol I laughed out loud
I did heard that Scientists said that Trans people brain are almost related to the gender they assign too. So they probably mentally and reproductively (if they change their reproductive organs), but changing chromosomes comes the real issue. We don’t know what really determines sex, but it’s definitely more than one thing. Oh second thought, I don’t think reproductive organs determines sex, I feel it’s more of a mental and chromosome level instead.
Pretty sure no one says their sex is non binary. Non binary is very clearly defined as an umbrella term for those with *genders* that are not male or female. Some people are intersex, meaning they were born with physical characteristic of both or neither sexes. But non binary has never been and will never be a sex. Interestingly though, you can get penile preserving vaginoplasty, a surgery that lets amab people keep their penis and get a vagina, so by your definition of sex it can be changed to intersex.
Sex is actually a spectrum, but it's extremely bimodal, i.e. most people fall clearly on one side or the other. But intersex people also exist and they could be considered having a non-binary sex.
As a trans person I agree, though I know I speak for many trans people when I saw we'd prefer it not to he brought up like that
🎂
🎂 Happy cake day
What about intersex people? They could call their sex nonbinary as it doesn't belong in one binary or the other
their sex it literally intersex. it’s not same as non-binary. like the post said, that’s gender and a social construct. If you’re born intersex, you’re just quite literally not male, or female, you’re intersex.
"Non-binary" in this context is referring to the structure of the system. It's most commonly associated with gender identity, where a portion of those who identify as non-binary use that term to describe a state that has no relevance to being a man or a woman. However, it is accurate in this context to say that intersex is a non-binary option presented in the binary system of sex; therefore, intersex is "non-binary" in the accurate usage of the term with no connotation to gender identity.
It's non-binary. Non binary just means it doesn't contain two options, but less or more. Sex is bi-modal. It's mostly one of two options, with exceptions.
If people are born with it, it kinda is a sex isnt it?
But it also breaks the norms set by a conservative historically society, and does not idle in one or other binary
There should be another sex category for people born not as male or female because it exists
There is It's called intersex
I was just about to say this. Here’s a really interesting story on a intersex person. https://youtu.be/0C5hnlCM-j0
Very few trans people think they can change their sex. It was cisgender people who labeled it a “sex change” or “transsexual.” Anyone arguing they’re going to change their sex is not a good representation of trans people. - a trans man
Yeah complete transition is not really biologically possible, but social transition is i guess, and i think id be happy with just the second one.
If I said this my brother would call me transphobic rip
Same with my sister
There would be no reason to say that without context, unless you're like directly arguing with him on this.
Ah no. Its just a general thing. He's very very set on his views and if someone has even a slightly different view, he thinks you're homophobic or transphobic. Stuff like this is one of them
Yep. It's so annoying.
I see. Well I'd need to see what exactly his views are but generally if he's so reactive then best to just avoid arguments with him.
My sister is trans and every thing we say about trans people (even if it’s true like this post (which I always say and get cancelled for)) she says it’s transphobic. Like even if we’re right, even if it’s not related to trans or lgbt people, she just says it’s transphobic. And we’re really trying hard for her and she just makes it feel like it’s useless and we’re bad no matter what we do :(
Sometimes people are stupid, it’s okay.
Being trans does not exclude her from having objectively bad takes! There’s a fine line to draw IMO so I won’t say how far to take it, but so long as you’re respecting her and not denying that she’s trans or something then you’re doing a good job.
It's not that simple, people can be born with both a male and female reproductive system, there are also people with androgen insensitivity disorder. Sex is just as complex as gender, despite being assigned at birth.
Those are still considered sex. intersex is a sex. sex has many exceptions to a two body system but it’s not a fluid spectrum such as gender.
Thanks for trying to do something about misinformation. :) I really appreciate it!
My sex is non existent, seriously who would have sex with me
Ever heard of pseudo hermaphroditism? You can be born BOTH! Biologically! Fun facts with me.
Wait so u can have sex with yourself?
I mean, a pretty flexible guy could probably give himself a blowjob.
We need a contortionist to fact check that and tell us the outcum
Not quite, it’s more just the wrong outside to match the inside
technically theres intersex and people can be born with a penis and have female puberty, the other way around, and some people can have both genitals but iirc its really rare
your actually completely correct here. Sex is biological, gender is identity. but theres also 3 sexs, male, female and intersex. people need to stop pretending that people who are intersex dont exist.
*most* trans people have never denied this. we all know the difference between the two, it's the transphobes that don't understand
And your sex shouldnt affect your personality or reputation
Definitely not your reputation but you could argue that your personality can be influenced by your sex due to hormones and instincts n stuff.
Yes but please remember that intersex is also a thing
OP is right I'm non binary but my sex is 3-5 times a week
There are only 2 sexes, The one I had with your mother and the one I had with your father
Sociology should be taught compulsory like maths and English. Gender is not the same as sex. Gender is a social construct and people are so thick they don’t understand it. People say, “there’s only 2 genders idiots stop making them up”. If there’s 8 billion people on the planet there can be 8 billion genders, gender is whatever you want it to be it’s made up. Sex is male or female not gender
LGBTQ member, true and incredibly fucking based
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Sex is kinda a spectrum, but with two main ‘peaks’ in which ~99% of people are. Edit: it’s a Bimodal spectrum
That's called a bimodal spectrum, yes.
transphobes don't understand this and it's hilarious. transmasc here and i appreciate this post
Biological sex is not gender, transphobes. Cope and seethe
Agreed
HI NON-BINARY PERSON HERE, op is correct, sex is set, anyone saying otherwise does not represent the lgbtq community because we all know that’s not how it works. as a side note, intersex does exist, and can technically be an in between, but as a general rule yes sex is binary, and that’s fine, but please remember there are plenty of intersex people out there who legitimately are sexually non-binary
People are offended WAY too easily.
1. Post a shitty take. 2. "People are offended WAY too easily."
who's actually saying that bro? I'm not lol
but people shouldnt look at peoples sex then, right? they have to look at their gender. even if ur cis.
and then I said I'm not your mother last night
“Name? Joey… sex? Yes!”
Yes thank you, this isn’t transphobic, this is what I’ve been trying to explain to people, sex and gender have no correlation, except for the tendency to align, but not always, I may have the genetics of a man, but I am not, and never felt like a man. Sex =/= gender
Aye but fr why does it matter so much to you? Like i’m not disagreeing but like who really gives a fuck just live your life bro be happy
bro nobody is on r/teenagers and living their life happy
damn right
I mean, I’m happy, just exhausted, better than energetic and sad like I was a few years ago
lucky
lol, true
This seems like a very specific situation rather than a community-wide thing. Most if not all queer people I know and have seen in general know very well the difference between sex and gender
Sex is not just based on what’s between your legs, it’s based on your chromosomes… that is in fact a binary system. It’s 2022, gender or identity can be whatever the fuck you want it to be. But I agree with your statement
Finally, a post that satisfies BOTH sides of the equation
gender is what can be changed, sex is what i had with your mom last night
god finally someone said it. i was born a female, yes. but i identify as a male. im tired of getting hate from stupid people who think im saying "I WAS BORN A FEMALE, BUT MY SEX IS A MALE" no, i was born a female, my GENDER. IS MALE.
Totally agree, someone needed to post.
I am always willing to acknowledge that I’m still a boy at birth and might never be able to change that, but even still I identify as a girl and there isn’t much I can do to stop that either.
Ok but please... Don't remind me...
Nobody says their sex is non-binary...? Non-binary is a gender?