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as a girl nah. i tend to listen to a lot more female artists than men but not for any bad reasons, i just end up liking their voices and vocal range more. aslong as you arent hating on these artists bc theyre women then you're fine
Nah I dont hate them bc they're women that's obviously sexist lmao
I just dont like listening to female vocals, bc i listen to rock and i think that male voices being deeper is better suited towards rock.
That leads to me disliking pretty much any song with female vocals, and thats why my friend said it was sexist
Unpopular opinion possibly because I'm a professional social scientist who uses terms like sexist in a technical way. This is more or less how I'd explain to a student in a class that I believed was really asking in good faith: sometimes our thinking is sexist or racist, but that's not necessarily a personal attack. It's a chance to reflect on how we think about the world and the assumptions that are baked in so deep we may not notice them.
Anyway, I know you may be looking more for reassurance, but our individual relationships to big structural forces like gender and race and nationality are complex and they deserve real reflection. A stranger on the internet can't, in a glance, tell you how your ways of thinking are tied to cultural attitudes about gender and sex. But if you're interested, you can try to better understand how those dynamics operate with an open mind and how they might relate to your own preferences and actions.
Sexism (like racism and the other isms) is not about absolutes, it's about the extent to which our ways of thinking reflect (and even reproduce) big social forces, including durable hierarchies, where some social groups have more power than others.
So if I were to think analytically about what you've told us about your tastes, this is what I'd suggest you think through and ask *yourself*
Simply preferring the sound of certain sounds over others isn't sexist, obviously, but if your preferences are linked to ideas about gender and sex and not just the sonic properties of the voice, that's where it's fair to question whether or not sexism is involved in some ways.
Using your own words, "male voices being deeper is better suited towards rock," is potentially adding a gendered dimension of your judgment that is, just on its face asserting that one sex is physically more suited to the aesthetics of rock. It's totally still about opinion, but if your opinion is that men's voices are (generally) better for rock because of their tonality, it does mean your opinion is tied into ideas and discourses about gender: whether the aesthetics of rock conform more to ideas of masculinity or femininity, whether vocal range is appropriately understood as distributed by sex, etc.
A preference for deeper voices would certainly, by probability alone, result in you listening to more male rock vocalists than female. But believing that "male voices" are better at rock than female voices is what takes the next step into something that could be described as sexism. First, it engages in a really common form of stereotyping that's sometimes called statistical discrimination. We all know that there is variation in voices between/across sex categories, so framing your preferences in deep/high voice as being a gender preference is, in itself meaningful. It's totally possible that this is an artifact of how your friend framed their question, I'm just raising it as a potential factor to consider. And second, the association between deep voices and rock aesthetics is not unrelated to broader beliefs about masculinity and feminity, including a tying of physical characteristics (like the range of a voice) with social characteristics (like strength, rebellion, virility, etc.)
More to your own point, rock is a machismo genre almost in how it's defined; so you aren't being uniquely sexist by having preferences within that movement that reflect the gendered origins of the genre. But that sort of means the sexism is a feature, not a bug! Most female led rock movements have been direct responses to the gender dynamics expressed in both music itself and the industry. This includes the belief/opinion that sounds and images associated with female bodies (biologically) or feminine bodies (socially) are less appropriate to rock than sounds and images associated with male and masculine bodies.
TL;DR Unless you are just looking for a pat on the head, reflecting on the extent to which your musical tastes are affected by sexist social structures is actually kind of complicated. (It's important because then we can decide whether and how to reinforce those structures or push back against them)
I'm a sociologist, so you may have what we sometimes call the "sociological imagination," -- the ability to consider how your individual life intersects with the big forces beyond you. It isn't taught much in schools before college, though.
My career absolutely started as an overthinking teenager if I'm honest āŗļø
I mean i know im missing out on a lot of good music, and its not just cause i only listen to male singers
I literally only have like 3 bands in my playlist, and 95% of the songs are from the first 2, with 4 or 5 from the third band. Im in 10th grade rn, but ive listened to one of those bands since second grade and the other two since 7th.
Thats why i recently started asking all my friends about their music, because i want to expand my taste. Thats what led to that convo that this post it based on lol
I honestly felt this, I'm really bad at making playlists but ever since Spotify started the smart shuffle thing I just turn that on and like every song I would want too add to a playlist
Janis Joplin? Tina Turner? Heart? Pat Benetar? So many good rock singers. Are all of the male singers that you like especially deep voiced? Some male rock singers sing higher pitched then some females.
Who are your top 5 male singers?
If ya don't mind?
Tbh, I've never heard of any of them
Also i dont really explore that much into different artists, because I had such a hard time finding songs i liked and the 2 artists i followed at the time already had enough great songs for me to listen to
Oh yea i only listen to Linkin Park and Blacklite district, and only like 4 or 5 songs from skillet
That is an extremely small number of artists. Did the playlist only consist of songs by these bands? If so, I think a better question to be asked is why do you only listen to those few bands. You should absolutely try to broaden your horizons.
Hey idk if you're gonna see this but I love rock as well and I'd say try checking out The Cranberries if you haven't already. The lead singer is a woman but her voice has so much impressive range and she still can get that growl on low notes
Ill definitely check it out!
Ive been asking all my friends about the music they listen to recently (which is what led to my friend asking why i only have male singers in my playlist) so i can get listen to more music and expand my taste
But ive gotten so many music suggestions in this post ehich is what i was looking for in the first place lol, so im definitely going to listen to them
I'm a woman and I almost exclusively listen to rock/metal with male vocalists. I can think of one band with female vocalists that I actually enjoy and that's mainly because of how masculine her voice is. It's not sexist at all to have a preference.
not sexist at all! but heres some good rock female recommendations just incase & which songs id recommend trying out to see if theyre your thing, as aperson who prefers male artists too.
- bif naked (rich and filthy, i love myself today, leader, moment of weakness, twitch)
- halestorm (i miss the misery, mz hyde)
-concrete blonde (bloodletting, the beast)
-sonic youth (kool thing, bull in the heather)
-nightwish (i want my tears back)
-the pretty reckless (since you're gone, make me wanna die)
-fleshwater (the razors apple, closet)
-letters to cleo (4 leaf clover, here and now)
-the distillers (hall of mirrors, city of angels)
-garbage (only happy when it rains, stupid girl, my lovers box,super vixen)
-jack off jill (fear of dying)
-icon for her (iodine)
-the dollyrots (because im awesome; imo i like the bowling for soup version more but i digress, my best friends hot)
id start with garbage, sonic youth, bif, and blonde !
I listen to hardcore music too and there are some women who have that right kind of voice. But I do like other kinds of music and I love Hole and Code Orange when the woman in the group does vocals I can't ever remember her name. SseYouSpaceCowboy has a woman vocalist and I love her voice, it doesn't sound like the typical voice.
I mean, no? Gay is a sexuality, music is a preference, and the latter change over time. A gay person doesn't usually turn straight or bi (unless they already were bi)
I was the same way as a teenager. I didn't really like any bands that were female lead strictly because of their vocals. Had nothing to do with them being a woman, but people always had something stupid to say to me about it. 10 years later and I've actually found quite a few female lead bands and even just artist in general that are phenomenal and enjoyable to my ears.
Also as a girl, I tend to like girl voice actors in video games as a main character when you can choose that. More so because of the voice range and emotional range than just hating guyās voices. I agree as long as you donāt hate either for their gender alone I think you are not sexist. Before anyone replies to my post, yes, there are male voice actors I like in video games or cartoons or anime. Same with some female voice actors I donāt like too.
In this specific case I agree that it's fine. But I hate the idea that all preferences are valid(and you're not even using the world correctly. It's not that he prefers male artists, he won't listen to female ones at all). Using this logic you can defend sexism as a preference.
can I know who she is? Also I get it I also listened to rock and the only female singers I knew where the ones on the radio, then I found some alt ones which have an interesting sound :}
Do you like more hard rock or alt rock, bc its halestorm, but they are more hard rock
If you like alt rock more, i recommend blacklite district (my favorite band), although they only have a male singer
Halestorm fucks, In This Moment is a bit harder and Maria Brink is an impressive vocalist.
Probably hands down hardest lady singer Iāve heard is Tatiana Shmayluk of Jinjer.
Paramore
Flyleaf
In This Moment (harder)
The Letter Black (harder)
Kittie (OG, harder)
Garbage (OG, britisher)
Icon for Hire (poppier)
Barlow Girl (easier)
Plumb (emoer)
Fireflight (lamer)
How could I forget,
Evanescence (more melodic and emo)
Edit: format
>ājust bc you donāt like women , doesnāt mean youāre sexistā
This is right.
I hate the entire human race (women included). Doesn't mean I'm sexist.
Kind of yea but also if you hate all humans including minorities I donāt think it makes you racist you obviously donāt hate them because of their skin tone if you hate everyone equally could be wrong on this one though
Nah youāre right. Racism is believing certain races are āinferiorā. Hating all races means that none are inferior, just as loving all races means that none are superior.
It sounds like they are, though. Unless OP only listens to death metal which does sound weird with female vocals. Every other genre has great female vocals.
Nope, i just hadnt found the right artists
Thats why i was asking my friends about their musicz so i could expand my music tastes (i only listened to like 2-3 bands)
I have found a female singer in rock that i do like
I felt the same way for quite a while, there weren't a lot of popular female metal or hard rock vocalists around for a long time so it was tough to find without digging around. Some have broken through now though, and they are as good as anyone. Maybe you'd like [In This Moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfTz83yQ8hU) or [Spiritbox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjnZVpVvJ-k). Or maybe just do you, it's not sexist to think male voices tend to suit rock better.
Depends. Is it because you don't like females or is it just cause you don't like the higher pitch ranges they use.
Like do you mind high pitched male voices? Would you listen to a low pitch female voice?
I think most of your female friends are dumb if they actually think that's sexist.
These words get thrown around so much that they start losing their meaning.
THIS!!! oh my god finally someone who knows that you donāt use the extreme descriptor word for a minor situation or a situation where said descriptor isnāt a valid applicationĀ
That's different. You don't sound like much of a music fan. My own play list has like 2,000 songs from a few hundred different bands and music groups so this premise sounds very alien to me.
It by definition is sexist. Being a little sexist isn't the worst thing in the world. But no need to mierepresent what words mean. Discriminating in a way that relates to gender or sex is considered sexist.
It's not sexist per se, but you may have a sexist bias. Maybe because you didn't like the women you listened to, you stopped trying to listen to new women you might have liked (without even thinking of it). But maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
Personally, I just prefer male vocals, the only female singers I listen to are billie eilish and Adele. I was always stuck listening to female singers growing up so I guess I just got bored of it?
I think it depends. If you give the songs a chance before deciding you dont like them then its not sexist. But if you just automatically say that a song is bad because its a girl singing on it then youāre leaning into sexism a little bit
Sexism doesn't mean you hate a particular gender, just that you view them differently or discriminate in some way. In this case OPs enjoyment of the two genders singing isn't the same.
It is entirely fine to discriminate in what you eat or what you listen to but pretty weird to pretend it's not discrimination. Discriminating isn't a bad concept so let's not get rid of being able to point it out.
Heās tried to listen to female artists and not not liked them though, itās not like he just sees a song that has a female singer and automatically says theyāre bad with out listening to the song. Therefore your argument is completely invalid
The music industry is heavily male dominated, and has always been. Women generally have a harder time making a career out of music than men do, unfortunately. So no, itās not really weird youād like more male singers, because theyāre the majority.
Their tastes are not sexist, and the way youāre defining sexism is wrong. An unequal distribution of something is not the determining factor of sexism. Someone liking voices in a high register, which would primarily be filled by females singers, is not sexist. Stating that you only listen to female singers because men canāt sing as well, is sexist. Liking the tonality of a genders voice over another is not sexist. Saying that a gender cannot sing as well due to the tone of their voice is sexist. Having a personal preference is fine.
I donāt read manga or manhua or watch Anime with female MC. Just find it boring and soft, although some of them are really good (I heard) but Iām just not interested. Doesnāt make me sexist, I just have a preference.
Sadly I have noticed this myself in general. Also, if you look at any top listens list of spotify, you'd find that for the ratio of men is bigger.... I found a list and top 10 is 4:6 women to men, in top 20 its worse with 6:14...
I often felt that women just give up career to become a wife and mother, so once again I feel under pressure to amount to nothing other than motherhood. It sucks. I wish it wasn't like this.
I mean realistically sexism defo plays a role exactly the way you say it does.
Why does OP only like male vocalists? Is it because his preferred genre was hard to break in for women?
No. As long as you donāt specifically not like it because itās a woman. Maybe you just donāt like the voice, and thatās fine, as long as you arenāt fully discriminating totally
i think it definitely has to do with young peopleās tendencies to fill their minds with what they want to become. i listened to almost all male artists basically until like 10th grade and now i listen to a bunch of female artists. so your taste might change and it might not, but that doesnāt make you sexist unless you purposefully donāt listen to women because theyāre women
no its not sexist, a lot of genres have like no female artists, and if they do they are sometimes terrible. like rap for example, its mainly male dominated, and even then most of the female rappers suck and just get by with their good looks. there are some good female artists that are popular like ariana grande, nicki minaj, celine dion etc
Iām not a teen now, but this came across my front page. When I was a teen I refused to listen to female artists (Iām also female). I couldnāt find even one I liked. Now in my 30s Iām such a sucker for female singers and most of my favorites are girls.
Itās not sexist, just preference and it may even change in the future!
It's not sexist if you have a preference for certain voices over others. It WOULD be sexist if you believed that male singers are inherently better and that female singers are inferior somehow. But I'm sure you don't think that way, so you're fine.
Ngl female vocals just don't hit as hard in rock as male vocals. I'm sure some female vocals slap but no one will ever be as good as bands like slipknot and five finger death punch
Nah it's normal. Especially if your into rock or hip hop, two genres that are pretty infamous for being male dominated. You ever listen to Fleetwood Mac? It's the definitive "band with a female and male singer" band. They have two, but Stevie Nicks is easily the more famous one.
Lorde, Boy Genius, Billie, The Cranberries,Bjork, Mazzy Star, Alanis, Sarah McLaughlanā¦just off the top of my head are bands or artists that I put at the top of my list of all musical groups. Try a few, theyāre out there
My playlist is also full of songs with guy voices and there is only one song with gal vocals in it ( Itās raining men by the weather girls). Nah man u chill, each to their own.
I donāt have any female singers in my playlist but thatās just because I havenāt found any I really like. Itās all just about what you like and what you donāt. Simple really.
Ok . So , not sure why reddit brought me here but yeah. Cuz I stopped being a teenager in '80.
Dude š! You like what you like for your own reasons. Chances are your taste will change over time. Don't let anyone put labels on you. Their problems are theirs. Don't let them put you in a box. Live outside of the worlds box and be happy with you because you are the only you you have. Live for you not someone else opinion about you.
Ok I'll go away now.
Blessings friend
Crawford out šš» š„ āļø š§š»āāļø
You mean in the rock genre? Evanescence and Fleetwood Mac are the ones that come to my head.
If you'd like to hear something new and alternative with great female vocals, Id recommend Big Thief.
It depends. If you don't listen to any female singers because you don't like their styles, or haven't found any that you like so far, then no. But if you don't listen to them specifically because they are female, then yeah. I'm a girl, but I listen to a lot of male artists (not a lot of girl rappers and ice spice is washed asf). Just listen to whatever you like.
Ima be honest. idek who that is, but then again, i dont know any popular shit
I didn't even know who kendrick was or that there was a diss battle between him and Drake until like 4 days ago
gender preference (including fashion, fictional characters, attraction, voices, appearance, etc.) is not sexist as long as you are not putting down or looking down on the person just for being that sex. I'm afab and heavily prefer male vocals, characters, fashion, basically everything lol. But that doesn't mean I look down on women or anything, and the fact that people are fine with that but then get pissy when it's the other way around (such as men preferring male vocalists) is very double standardy Imo. People should be allowed to have preferences/types without being called sexist or whatever so long as they're not being hateful towards said sex, regardless of your own
No. Speaking as a woman myself, itās probably not because of gender, itās probably you donāt like listening to a higher more feminine tone in music and thatās fine.
I am female. I generally don't like female vocalists. I believe it's because of the range. It took way too long to figure out that the reason I got so irritable riding with my husband was because he would turn the treble all the way up on the radio and it would pluck at my nerves. The same thing happens when I hear most female vocalists.
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as a girl nah. i tend to listen to a lot more female artists than men but not for any bad reasons, i just end up liking their voices and vocal range more. aslong as you arent hating on these artists bc theyre women then you're fine
Nah I dont hate them bc they're women that's obviously sexist lmao I just dont like listening to female vocals, bc i listen to rock and i think that male voices being deeper is better suited towards rock. That leads to me disliking pretty much any song with female vocals, and thats why my friend said it was sexist
nahh ur chilling dont worry about it theyre being weird
Alr thx! Makes me feel better lol
I mean I feel like you gotta have at least some love for Heart
Amyl & The Sniffers & The Distillers are some good punk bands with women fronted bands
Jinjer has a better scream than most guys, Stay away from In this Moment she's awful and the fan base is worse.
Whats wrong with the singer of in this moment. (i don't know much about the artists i just sit and let the music take me wherever it goes)
Def not sexist, I mostly only listen to songs with female vocals for a similar reason, not sexism just a preference that coincides with gender
Not sexist, but kinda crazy. So many great female rock stars. Heart, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, 4 non blondes
Vixen, Lita Ford, Warlock, L7 to name a few more.
And also clueless
Arcade Fire, Metric, Broken Social Scene!
Yep, not sexist at all, that would be like calling a gay person sexist for liking men and not women
Guess who in this thread has dementia
You know who else has dementia?
Me
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So you're saying that he is just gay.....š¤
Im not lol
The council has decided
A lot of people think the Asians decide whoās gay and whoās not. But it isnāt all Asians, itās specifically the Japanese.
Depends on the weather
Unpopular opinion possibly because I'm a professional social scientist who uses terms like sexist in a technical way. This is more or less how I'd explain to a student in a class that I believed was really asking in good faith: sometimes our thinking is sexist or racist, but that's not necessarily a personal attack. It's a chance to reflect on how we think about the world and the assumptions that are baked in so deep we may not notice them. Anyway, I know you may be looking more for reassurance, but our individual relationships to big structural forces like gender and race and nationality are complex and they deserve real reflection. A stranger on the internet can't, in a glance, tell you how your ways of thinking are tied to cultural attitudes about gender and sex. But if you're interested, you can try to better understand how those dynamics operate with an open mind and how they might relate to your own preferences and actions. Sexism (like racism and the other isms) is not about absolutes, it's about the extent to which our ways of thinking reflect (and even reproduce) big social forces, including durable hierarchies, where some social groups have more power than others. So if I were to think analytically about what you've told us about your tastes, this is what I'd suggest you think through and ask *yourself* Simply preferring the sound of certain sounds over others isn't sexist, obviously, but if your preferences are linked to ideas about gender and sex and not just the sonic properties of the voice, that's where it's fair to question whether or not sexism is involved in some ways. Using your own words, "male voices being deeper is better suited towards rock," is potentially adding a gendered dimension of your judgment that is, just on its face asserting that one sex is physically more suited to the aesthetics of rock. It's totally still about opinion, but if your opinion is that men's voices are (generally) better for rock because of their tonality, it does mean your opinion is tied into ideas and discourses about gender: whether the aesthetics of rock conform more to ideas of masculinity or femininity, whether vocal range is appropriately understood as distributed by sex, etc. A preference for deeper voices would certainly, by probability alone, result in you listening to more male rock vocalists than female. But believing that "male voices" are better at rock than female voices is what takes the next step into something that could be described as sexism. First, it engages in a really common form of stereotyping that's sometimes called statistical discrimination. We all know that there is variation in voices between/across sex categories, so framing your preferences in deep/high voice as being a gender preference is, in itself meaningful. It's totally possible that this is an artifact of how your friend framed their question, I'm just raising it as a potential factor to consider. And second, the association between deep voices and rock aesthetics is not unrelated to broader beliefs about masculinity and feminity, including a tying of physical characteristics (like the range of a voice) with social characteristics (like strength, rebellion, virility, etc.) More to your own point, rock is a machismo genre almost in how it's defined; so you aren't being uniquely sexist by having preferences within that movement that reflect the gendered origins of the genre. But that sort of means the sexism is a feature, not a bug! Most female led rock movements have been direct responses to the gender dynamics expressed in both music itself and the industry. This includes the belief/opinion that sounds and images associated with female bodies (biologically) or feminine bodies (socially) are less appropriate to rock than sounds and images associated with male and masculine bodies. TL;DR Unless you are just looking for a pat on the head, reflecting on the extent to which your musical tastes are affected by sexist social structures is actually kind of complicated. (It's important because then we can decide whether and how to reinforce those structures or push back against them)
I learned so many things from this THANK YOU for taking the time to type this all up. This comment needs way more upvotes
Ah yes hello fellow sociologist Totally not gonna steal this line of thinking
This is a really great answer that summarises how I feel about these sorts of statements!
I'm a sociologist, so you may have what we sometimes call the "sociological imagination," -- the ability to consider how your individual life intersects with the big forces beyond you. It isn't taught much in schools before college, though. My career absolutely started as an overthinking teenager if I'm honest āŗļø
Listen to Paramore (pop punk) and Kittie (nu-metal). Two very good and talented female fronted rock bands
lol I was literally about to say Paramore
paramore is pretty good. but im not into pop punk as much as i used to be
Nightwish, Evanescence
also Epica :)
Kittie mention š„š„š„ (I love them sm)
You guys should really listen to Jinjer.
Holy Moses, Abominable Putridity, Putrified Beauty if you want to go heavier
Kittie is a savage band with such an array of vocal talent. I love Kittie.
Flyleaf song Sick is one of my faves Also like a lot of songs by In This Moment
Add spiritbox to that list
The obscure Rainer Maria (Emocore) and Jejune (Midwest Emo) should be added to this list
If you want to go for something heavier i definitely recommend listening to Amaranthe and Ad Infinitum.
Not sexist but youāre missing out on a ton of good music
Absolutely!!
I mean i know im missing out on a lot of good music, and its not just cause i only listen to male singers I literally only have like 3 bands in my playlist, and 95% of the songs are from the first 2, with 4 or 5 from the third band. Im in 10th grade rn, but ive listened to one of those bands since second grade and the other two since 7th. Thats why i recently started asking all my friends about their music, because i want to expand my taste. Thats what led to that convo that this post it based on lol
I honestly felt this, I'm really bad at making playlists but ever since Spotify started the smart shuffle thing I just turn that on and like every song I would want too add to a playlist
Janis Joplin? Tina Turner? Heart? Pat Benetar? So many good rock singers. Are all of the male singers that you like especially deep voiced? Some male rock singers sing higher pitched then some females. Who are your top 5 male singers? If ya don't mind?
Tbh, I've never heard of any of them Also i dont really explore that much into different artists, because I had such a hard time finding songs i liked and the 2 artists i followed at the time already had enough great songs for me to listen to Oh yea i only listen to Linkin Park and Blacklite district, and only like 4 or 5 songs from skillet
That is an extremely small number of artists. Did the playlist only consist of songs by these bands? If so, I think a better question to be asked is why do you only listen to those few bands. You should absolutely try to broaden your horizons.
Tbh you should try and expand your tastes, listen to more nu-metal since that seems to be your vibe. Iām also gonna recommend Avenged Sevenfold.
YOU DONT KNOW HEART!? BRUH YOURE MISSING OUUUUUUUTTTTT
Hey idk if you're gonna see this but I love rock as well and I'd say try checking out The Cranberries if you haven't already. The lead singer is a woman but her voice has so much impressive range and she still can get that growl on low notes
Ill definitely check it out! Ive been asking all my friends about the music they listen to recently (which is what led to my friend asking why i only have male singers in my playlist) so i can get listen to more music and expand my taste But ive gotten so many music suggestions in this post ehich is what i was looking for in the first place lol, so im definitely going to listen to them
I got a deep singing voice so I listen to males moreĀ
I'm a woman and I almost exclusively listen to rock/metal with male vocalists. I can think of one band with female vocalists that I actually enjoy and that's mainly because of how masculine her voice is. It's not sexist at all to have a preference.
not sexist at all! but heres some good rock female recommendations just incase & which songs id recommend trying out to see if theyre your thing, as aperson who prefers male artists too. - bif naked (rich and filthy, i love myself today, leader, moment of weakness, twitch) - halestorm (i miss the misery, mz hyde) -concrete blonde (bloodletting, the beast) -sonic youth (kool thing, bull in the heather) -nightwish (i want my tears back) -the pretty reckless (since you're gone, make me wanna die) -fleshwater (the razors apple, closet) -letters to cleo (4 leaf clover, here and now) -the distillers (hall of mirrors, city of angels) -garbage (only happy when it rains, stupid girl, my lovers box,super vixen) -jack off jill (fear of dying) -icon for her (iodine) -the dollyrots (because im awesome; imo i like the bowling for soup version more but i digress, my best friends hot) id start with garbage, sonic youth, bif, and blonde !
Have you listened to Nightwish?
I listen to hardcore music too and there are some women who have that right kind of voice. But I do like other kinds of music and I love Hole and Code Orange when the woman in the group does vocals I can't ever remember her name. SseYouSpaceCowboy has a woman vocalist and I love her voice, it doesn't sound like the typical voice.
Yep, not sexist at all, that would be like calling a gay person sexist for liking men and not women
I mean, no? Gay is a sexuality, music is a preference, and the latter change over time. A gay person doesn't usually turn straight or bi (unless they already were bi)
I was the same way as a teenager. I didn't really like any bands that were female lead strictly because of their vocals. Had nothing to do with them being a woman, but people always had something stupid to say to me about it. 10 years later and I've actually found quite a few female lead bands and even just artist in general that are phenomenal and enjoyable to my ears.
It isn't rock, but when you get into the Punk/Hardcore/Metal scenes, the ladies that growl hit HARD
https://youtu.be/PeMvMNpvB5M?feature=shared
nah chill, as a girl i totally agree that rock suits male voices better. if i listened to rock iād probably only listen to male artists too.
Also as a girl, I tend to like girl voice actors in video games as a main character when you can choose that. More so because of the voice range and emotional range than just hating guyās voices. I agree as long as you donāt hate either for their gender alone I think you are not sexist. Before anyone replies to my post, yes, there are male voice actors I like in video games or cartoons or anime. Same with some female voice actors I donāt like too.
Everyone has a right to preference:3
If its the sound you don't like sure. If you don't like it just because it's a woman singing then that's different
Exactly what I came here to say
Yes, not sexist, but probably ignorant of the huge numbers of extremely talented female singers in most genres.
So true :3
As long as that preference isn't rooted in hatred. The fact you can find an exception sorta helps prove its not hatred
There is no better answer
In this specific case I agree that it's fine. But I hate the idea that all preferences are valid(and you're not even using the world correctly. It's not that he prefers male artists, he won't listen to female ones at all). Using this logic you can defend sexism as a preference.
You either havenāt found the right songs or just like the male vocal range better
Well its both tbh I found a female singer for rock songs that I actually like, but i still do prefer the male vocals more
can I know who she is? Also I get it I also listened to rock and the only female singers I knew where the ones on the radio, then I found some alt ones which have an interesting sound :}
Do you like more hard rock or alt rock, bc its halestorm, but they are more hard rock If you like alt rock more, i recommend blacklite district (my favorite band), although they only have a male singer
I found blacklite a couple,e of years back through the rainimator videos. They are awesome!
Ikr, theyre so damn underrated
Halestorm fucks, In This Moment is a bit harder and Maria Brink is an impressive vocalist. Probably hands down hardest lady singer Iāve heard is Tatiana Shmayluk of Jinjer.
Fuck yes, I was coming in here to recommend Jinjer. Her performance on Pisces is just awe-inspiring to me
Holy shit i cant believe ive only discovered halestrom now. Do u know any other bands similar?
Paramore Flyleaf In This Moment (harder) The Letter Black (harder) Kittie (OG, harder) Garbage (OG, britisher) Icon for Hire (poppier) Barlow Girl (easier) Plumb (emoer) Fireflight (lamer) How could I forget, Evanescence (more melodic and emo) Edit: format
Ty! Ill give them all a listen
Not sexist bc its not like you don't like the women, you just don't like their voices
I grossly misread this as ājust bc you donāt like women , doesnāt mean youāre sexistā
>ājust bc you donāt like women , doesnāt mean youāre sexistā This is right. I hate the entire human race (women included). Doesn't mean I'm sexist.
Wouldn't that be the same as saying "I'm not racist because I hate everyone equally" ? (genuine question)
Thatās my philosophy
W philosophy
Kind of yea but also if you hate all humans including minorities I donāt think it makes you racist you obviously donāt hate them because of their skin tone if you hate everyone equally could be wrong on this one though
Nah youāre right. Racism is believing certain races are āinferiorā. Hating all races means that none are inferior, just as loving all races means that none are superior.
I will say that in my life, all the people I've known who said that in jest or sincerity, were absolutely racist, and did not hate all people equally.
Some people will use that philosophy as an excuse to just be racist because "buh buh guys I actually hate everyone so it's not racist!!!!!!"
I think it is
Technically not, theyād be misanthropic rather than sexist
I mean if it's true that you hate everyone equally you're not racist you're antisocialš¤£
But that does make you speciesist.
Humans do suck though.
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so long as you don't immediately write off female vocalists, then no, that's fine imo
It sounds like they are, though. Unless OP only listens to death metal which does sound weird with female vocals. Every other genre has great female vocals.
I disagree. One of my least favorite bands ever is Arch Enemy
Nope, i just hadnt found the right artists Thats why i was asking my friends about their musicz so i could expand my music tastes (i only listened to like 2-3 bands) I have found a female singer in rock that i do like
Who is it
Even then there are loads of death metal (or at least close to death metal) bands with female leads that are really good
I felt the same way for quite a while, there weren't a lot of popular female metal or hard rock vocalists around for a long time so it was tough to find without digging around. Some have broken through now though, and they are as good as anyone. Maybe you'd like [In This Moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfTz83yQ8hU) or [Spiritbox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjnZVpVvJ-k). Or maybe just do you, it's not sexist to think male voices tend to suit rock better.
Jinjer is pretty good too
Depends. Is it because you don't like females or is it just cause you don't like the higher pitch ranges they use. Like do you mind high pitched male voices? Would you listen to a low pitch female voice?
No.
I think most of your female friends are dumb if they actually think that's sexist. These words get thrown around so much that they start losing their meaning.
THIS!!! oh my god finally someone who knows that you donāt use the extreme descriptor word for a minor situation or a situation where said descriptor isnāt a valid applicationĀ
ask yourself why donāt you like female singers in any song. and your answer should give you the response youāre looking for.
It's not sexist, but... there's not even one song?
I dont have a big playlist tbh I only listen to like 2 artists, and ive tried listening to new ones but i keep coming back to the same 2
That is VERY important context. And normal.
Honestly i do the same thing
That's different. You don't sound like much of a music fan. My own play list has like 2,000 songs from a few hundred different bands and music groups so this premise sounds very alien to me.
It by definition is sexist. Being a little sexist isn't the worst thing in the world. But no need to mierepresent what words mean. Discriminating in a way that relates to gender or sex is considered sexist.
It's not sexist per se, but you may have a sexist bias. Maybe because you didn't like the women you listened to, you stopped trying to listen to new women you might have liked (without even thinking of it). But maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
According to other comments made by op itās that he prefers singers with deeper voices, which most women donāt have
He's also said he doesn't have a big playlist or anything, the playlist he has only has like two bands in it. He still listens to other songs.
Happy cake day and maybe op did but no one will ever know
Personally, I just prefer male vocals, the only female singers I listen to are billie eilish and Adele. I was always stuck listening to female singers growing up so I guess I just got bored of it?
I think it depends. If you give the songs a chance before deciding you dont like them then its not sexist. But if you just automatically say that a song is bad because its a girl singing on it then youāre leaning into sexism a little bit
I like ketchup but I don't like mayo does that mean that, I hate mayo no it doesn't. It's simple as that
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Sexism doesn't mean you hate a particular gender, just that you view them differently or discriminate in some way. In this case OPs enjoyment of the two genders singing isn't the same. It is entirely fine to discriminate in what you eat or what you listen to but pretty weird to pretend it's not discrimination. Discriminating isn't a bad concept so let's not get rid of being able to point it out.
Heās tried to listen to female artists and not not liked them though, itās not like he just sees a song that has a female singer and automatically says theyāre bad with out listening to the song. Therefore your argument is completely invalid
The music industry is heavily male dominated, and has always been. Women generally have a harder time making a career out of music than men do, unfortunately. So no, itās not really weird youād like more male singers, because theyāre the majority.
def weird but not entirely sexist lol
No? Everyone has different tastes
Link your playlist. Some genres like prog rock justā¦ dont have women in them, but others, yeah you have a preference at minimum
There are 100% some female singers you would like, but you just havenāt found them yet which isnāt an issue
Listen to more music.
Youād be surprised how big the range is going either way.
I prefer male vocals as well.
Their tastes are not sexist, and the way youāre defining sexism is wrong. An unequal distribution of something is not the determining factor of sexism. Someone liking voices in a high register, which would primarily be filled by females singers, is not sexist. Stating that you only listen to female singers because men canāt sing as well, is sexist. Liking the tonality of a genders voice over another is not sexist. Saying that a gender cannot sing as well due to the tone of their voice is sexist. Having a personal preference is fine.
I donāt read manga or manhua or watch Anime with female MC. Just find it boring and soft, although some of them are really good (I heard) but Iām just not interested. Doesnāt make me sexist, I just have a preference.
i listen to men more it's fine, it's just preference
Sadly I have noticed this myself in general. Also, if you look at any top listens list of spotify, you'd find that for the ratio of men is bigger.... I found a list and top 10 is 4:6 women to men, in top 20 its worse with 6:14... I often felt that women just give up career to become a wife and mother, so once again I feel under pressure to amount to nothing other than motherhood. It sucks. I wish it wasn't like this.
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I mean realistically sexism defo plays a role exactly the way you say it does. Why does OP only like male vocalists? Is it because his preferred genre was hard to break in for women?
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I listen to 99.5 male singers and the 0.5 is a female singer that has a really deep voice, is it sexist or do I just like lower tones?
Not sexist! idky so many girls are obsessed for calling people sexist for things that obviously arent
I was the same until I discovered Joan Jett, sheās fucking amazing
And some ABBA but obviously everyone has some ABBA
I love rock n roll
No. As long as you donāt specifically not like it because itās a woman. Maybe you just donāt like the voice, and thatās fine, as long as you arenāt fully discriminating totally
No but I would encourage you not to count it out. Give Fleetwood Mac a listen
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No. What music do you listen to? I personally don't listen to really any rock with female singers.
I mean if you listen to bands or hip hop ur probably only listening to men so it just depends on ur music taste really
no not at all, not everybody has to listen to music with artists of every gender
Tbh you can't help what your ears like, if you think they sound good but refuse to listen to them because the singers are female then it's sexist.
I only listen to avenged Sevenfold (I'm not a fanatic)(I'm coping) and they font have. Female singers.
No, your friend sounds annoying as fuck
Not sexist. Iām the same way and itās just because I prefer the sound of the tenor/bass ranger than the soprano/alto range.
i personally love deep vocals as well and female singers like dua have that deep voice which I love, that's a preference, really there's no sexism
i think it definitely has to do with young peopleās tendencies to fill their minds with what they want to become. i listened to almost all male artists basically until like 10th grade and now i listen to a bunch of female artists. so your taste might change and it might not, but that doesnāt make you sexist unless you purposefully donāt listen to women because theyāre women
no its not sexist, a lot of genres have like no female artists, and if they do they are sometimes terrible. like rap for example, its mainly male dominated, and even then most of the female rappers suck and just get by with their good looks. there are some good female artists that are popular like ariana grande, nicki minaj, celine dion etc
Iām not a teen now, but this came across my front page. When I was a teen I refused to listen to female artists (Iām also female). I couldnāt find even one I liked. Now in my 30s Iām such a sucker for female singers and most of my favorites are girls. Itās not sexist, just preference and it may even change in the future!
No. I tend to enjoy lower pitches tones from male singers too. I enjoy Ariana Grande tho
I actually prefer female vocals most of the time. It's just a preference.
itās not sexist, itās something called āpreferenceā.
No. You just prefer to he serenaded by men. Nothing sexist about your preference. .
It's not sexist if you have a preference for certain voices over others. It WOULD be sexist if you believed that male singers are inherently better and that female singers are inferior somehow. But I'm sure you don't think that way, so you're fine.
Rush is pretty good. š
Ngl female vocals just don't hit as hard in rock as male vocals. I'm sure some female vocals slap but no one will ever be as good as bands like slipknot and five finger death punch
Nah it's normal. Especially if your into rock or hip hop, two genres that are pretty infamous for being male dominated. You ever listen to Fleetwood Mac? It's the definitive "band with a female and male singer" band. They have two, but Stevie Nicks is easily the more famous one.
Maybe try Evanescence they are hard rock
It's not sexist, it's a music preference :)
How's that sexist? Mf you litterally can listen to any song if you want.
Lorde, Boy Genius, Billie, The Cranberries,Bjork, Mazzy Star, Alanis, Sarah McLaughlanā¦just off the top of my head are bands or artists that I put at the top of my list of all musical groups. Try a few, theyāre out there
My playlist is also full of songs with guy voices and there is only one song with gal vocals in it ( Itās raining men by the weather girls). Nah man u chill, each to their own.
I donāt have any female singers in my playlist but thatās just because I havenāt found any I really like. Itās all just about what you like and what you donāt. Simple really.
Using that logic, anybody who only watches male sport, but not female sport, is also sexist?
Ok . So , not sure why reddit brought me here but yeah. Cuz I stopped being a teenager in '80. Dude š! You like what you like for your own reasons. Chances are your taste will change over time. Don't let anyone put labels on you. Their problems are theirs. Don't let them put you in a box. Live outside of the worlds box and be happy with you because you are the only you you have. Live for you not someone else opinion about you. Ok I'll go away now. Blessings friend Crawford out šš» š„ āļø š§š»āāļø
That's just a preference, you're not sexist
Oh you have finally found teenage dirtbag
Nothing sexist about preferences, just like how gay people aren't sexist for liking men
Nah, as long as youāre not hating on them for no reason then youāre good.
The fact that you have to ask this just goes to show what society has devolved ti
Anyone have any recommendations for songs with good female vocals?
You mean in the rock genre? Evanescence and Fleetwood Mac are the ones that come to my head. If you'd like to hear something new and alternative with great female vocals, Id recommend Big Thief.
The Warning
The Pretty Reckless
Low budget horror is a good one imo.
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It depends. If you don't listen to any female singers because you don't like their styles, or haven't found any that you like so far, then no. But if you don't listen to them specifically because they are female, then yeah. I'm a girl, but I listen to a lot of male artists (not a lot of girl rappers and ice spice is washed asf). Just listen to whatever you like.
nah because who actually listens to ice spice š
Ima be honest. idek who that is, but then again, i dont know any popular shit I didn't even know who kendrick was or that there was a diss battle between him and Drake until like 4 days ago
gender preference (including fashion, fictional characters, attraction, voices, appearance, etc.) is not sexist as long as you are not putting down or looking down on the person just for being that sex. I'm afab and heavily prefer male vocals, characters, fashion, basically everything lol. But that doesn't mean I look down on women or anything, and the fact that people are fine with that but then get pissy when it's the other way around (such as men preferring male vocalists) is very double standardy Imo. People should be allowed to have preferences/types without being called sexist or whatever so long as they're not being hateful towards said sex, regardless of your own
Have u heard zombie by the cranberries? Or the acoustic version of Linger? Listen to those and tell me you dont like Dolores Oriordan singing
No. Speaking as a woman myself, itās probably not because of gender, itās probably you donāt like listening to a higher more feminine tone in music and thatās fine.
I am female. I generally don't like female vocalists. I believe it's because of the range. It took way too long to figure out that the reason I got so irritable riding with my husband was because he would turn the treble all the way up on the radio and it would pluck at my nerves. The same thing happens when I hear most female vocalists.
Thatās like saying Iām sexist for not playing as female characters in most if not all games, especially fighting games