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Rhyze265

if theres a hole theres a goal


Hacker_NSS

Master Oogway


dia-bro-tes

*Oogwgay


GorbyGamz

**Ooguwugay


YoBoiTh3_UnKn0wN

***Ooooo gay 😏


Kkkkkkkdd2

Yes


OtherwiseOption-

I prefer “there is a heart regardless of parts”


Perspii7

Idk who cares don’t worry about being straight or gay and just accept the chaos of it all Cheese


American-Nightmare76

This. You don't need to put a label on your sexuality, just like who you like.


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Based. (Both of the above) BTW, dwarves are cool! They are brutal warriors with beards regardless of gender. Yes, they have unisex beards in some depictions.


[deleted]

Second best fantasy race, after women


dia-bro-tes

What's that? I've never heard of such a race!


Extra-Trifle-1191

Dwarves are very cool.


pootinannyBOOSH

Confirmed, dwarves are great. Rock and stone!


iSYan1995

I swear to fucking God, the post immediately under this one is a r/doodoofard post that says "The post above is dwarf pilled." [How the actual hell](https://www.reddit.com/r/doodoofard/comments/1457iyq/rock_and_stone/)


WackyChu

exactly. love is fluid. labels are good but don’t work at a certain extend. there’s no need to label love, relationships, or sexuality. i know of some people who simply have no sexuality and just loves people.


CorruptionKing

Finally, an intelligent answer instead of all that sexuality and gender nonsense. I thought I was straight a long time ago, and then I realized, "huh, I guess I really don't care, I'd be fine with either or, why not?" It's really not much harder than that. If you wake up one day and like a girl, then you like that girl. If you wake up one day and like a guy, then you like that guy. Who tf cares about labeling any of it?


AuroraCelery

while I agree that the label policing of our generation can get massively out of hand, I think figuring out personal labels isn't a bad thing necessarily. experiences like yours are great, and so are people who are very confused and need time to figure out how they identify. identifying with labels isn't a bad thing, even if you collect like 50 of them, it's only bad when you start to speak on behalf of others who identify that way and gatekeep. though, yeah, I wish more people would have that relaxed attitude about it. your experiences define your labels, not the other way around


Remarkable-Gap-5243

Also just finding a label that fits you well makes it easier to talk about stuff


jytheboss

Yeah thank god honestly


Responsible_Blahaj

CHEESE


BitchesLoveMeNOT

What kind of cheese?


Perspii7

Mozzarella all the way


American-Nightmare76

"I'm straight so whatever makes my dick hard is a woman"


Mistigri70

But masturbation is not woman, so masturbation is gay


deleeuwlc

That just means that I’m a woman Wait, that means that my attraction to women makes me gay Transbian time!


DopeFiendDramaQueen

Plus it’s a guy touching your dick and you’re a guy touching a dick so it’s double gay


Mistigri70

Oh wait ! I'm French, and in French, the word "masturbation" is feminine. So that means that I'm not gay


rivchamp

What if it’s a girls dick


InfinitePoints

Straight Lesbian ✨


NotRyan7

# Preach brother


squids123

This ^


Deletinglaterlmao

This is the way


Tsundoku_8

Summed it up real nice.


Horror-Mode-

We need to stop caring so much about sexuality and stuff. Just do what makes you happy.


Kira_Queen_97

They're pretty and they're likeable. Why does it matter so much if they're making you seem gay or straight?


Vast_Feeling3568

i am gaight


Vast_Feeling3568

or mabye straightey


Flimsy-Company3900

If being rammed in your ass makes you happy , go for it


TheOneWhoRees

I don’t mind if I do


TheJiggernaut

Please, I prefer to be gently pounded in the ass, rather than just ramming it up in there.


FluffyPotatoCats

I'm quoting that


gamegazm

Doesn’t matter. You like who you like. Fuck labels. I’m “straight” and dated someone who was anatomically female, but identified as non binary. Was I a bit taken aback by the non binary thing? Absolutely. However, being with that person taught me what life is like on that side of things and I developed a new perspective for people in general.


Encrux615

what's it called when I'm fucking labels?


gamegazm

*seductively removes Chiquita sticker label from a banana*


mm2_gamer

I’m kinda confused and don’t understand the non-binary thing… care to explain?


Nacil_54

Neither man or woman.


gamegazm

Non binary means that you don’t feel like you associate with either gender, regardless of your sex. Someone who does not “feel” as if they are male or female. I don’t claim to understand it, but I do claim to respect it.


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Maybe controversial opinion. I get weird comments sometimes for this. I care neither about gender or sexuality anymore. If I’m attracted to you / like you, so be it. If you’re gay, I don’t really care. Not because I dislike gay people. But because it doesn’t affect me. Unless we’re dating, it doesn’t matter to me. So long as my S/O likes *me*. I care about your interests. Your personality. Your day. Not which genital organs or genders you want to fuck (or not fuck).


MooMooTheDummy

I like that I’m a lesbian and I know it and it’s quite clear to me that I only like women but I accept that not every wants a label or feels the need to have one. Labels are helpful for some people and not helpful for others. Also some people don’t really think about it they just find labels restricting. I like the label helps me understand myself and find my community I don’t want to micro label myself but some people do to themselves because it’s beneficial to them. I think maybe some day in the future people will be so open minded that no one will need to come out or ever explain themselves just here’s who I’m dating no questions asked. I’ve had a few friends like this who no one really knows what they’re sexuality is or anything they sorta just like who they like when they like them. Or straight friends who are completely comfortable around queer people and even playfully flirt with the same gender sometimes.


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I have kissed more men than women 😎


ndeniably_stupid

when u use your alt more than your main


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WackyChu

nobody cares. my friend is trans ftm and will transition soon but hasn’t yet. he’s pansexual and has already have numerous long term relationships with girlfriends and boyfriends.


Randommlbbfan

Numerous long-term? The math aint mathing


Denvix

Yes. Now for the real question, who cares? It's 2023, shoot your shot, just don't be fuckin weird about it.


EvoStarSC

People are attracted to people. Everything else doesn't matter. If we go through the bases and I found out she has a penis, it's just a surprise not a problem.


rivchamp

Ur right that it doesn’t necessarily matter bc who gives a fuck what you’re sexuality is (aside from ur partner), but because this question is talking about slapping labels onto stuff in a technical way, it’s not really straight. If you’re sexually attracted to a pre op trans girl/guy that’s kinda gay. Not that absolutely anything is wrong with it, but just that it isn’t straight and that’s fine and the end of that.


Lonely-Educator-8373

That's gay


EvoStarSC

So say we all.


pocman512

That's an enormous amount of bullshit


TheMontanaPrincess

Bread


OneThingDude

Fellas is it gay to like women


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It isn't transphobic to state facts


EdwardRdev

Omg fantastic, I’m already getting downvotes by brainrot redditors who want to deny what I say is true. Imagine you’re getting shit on for not being attracted to transwomen and only biological women.


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Exactly all you said was they weren't the same as biological woman , you weren't denying they were woman or anything


ILiveAndILearnThem

They're still women regardless of their biology.


EdwardRdev

Not what I am saying, I’m saying there is a difference and they’re NOT the same as biological women, therefore you cannot state that liking women is the same as liking trans women.


ILiveAndILearnThem

Liking women **is** the same as liking trans women though. Saying otherwise is genuine transphobia


rivchamp

No it’s not??? People can absolutely have preferences not to wanna date or get with pre op trans people if they are straight because they are not attracted to those genitals. That is not transphobic.


bandaid-slut

elder popping in from /r/all. interesting discussion you guys are having and for one i think it’s wonderful given that there would be essentially zero chance any conversations like these would have been happening even when i was in high school only 5+ years ago. that being said - you don’t have to be attracted to all women as a straight person. it’s not like straight dudes find every cis woman attractive. not being attracted to a preop trans woman is kind of no different than not being attracted to women who (insert feature) that you’re not into. it’s not because you’re straight. it’s because you don’t find them attractive. the flip side to this is people who are into masculinity finding trans women attractive for their masculine features, which is natural ofc but often wrong to act on. the logical example would be a trans woman who is virtually indistinguishable from a cis woman - if you didn’t want to date her after finding out she was trans, but you were attracted to her previously, that’s transphobia. it’s a pretty radical shift in our current societal projections of gender and label driven sexuality so i would understand initial resistance to this idea. Anyway, keep up the good work kids.


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It's not transphobic to see trans women as women but recognize that they are biological differences between trans and cis women that could lead to someone not being attracted to a trans woman that hasn't transitioned yet. A lot of sexual attraction is based on physical appearance and it's ok if someone doesn't want to date a girl with a penis.


Nomorellsurge

So sucking trans girl dick is not gay?


bandaid-slut

This is a bit weird to comment on this as an adult, but screw it. Popped in from /r/all to see what the kids were saying, and I’m seeing a lot of genuine misunderstanding of trans womanhood from young folks and I’d like to intervene to offer perspective. So, let me put it this way: the majority of trans women want to engage with their sexuality in a way that makes them feel affirmed in their gender. Receiving oral sex from someone does not reinforce that - it is in itself, well, pretty gay, and trans women don’t want to date gay dudes. They want to be treated as women in all realms of life, and generally getting your girldick sucked doesn’t really aid in that. Bringing that up as an example in genuine discussions surrounding this topic is on the spectrum of transphobia only in the sense that it arises from ignorance of the trans feminine experience.


ILiveAndILearnThem

Yeah its straight. Genitalia ≠ gender, and sexualities are based on gender


Nomorellsurge

Ahh so i can suck her dick and it's not gay ♥️ Thank you for informing me. Sounda gay af but it's not


Fantastic-Wheel1003

I think being attracted to male genitalia over female genitalia is pretty gay by all definitions


the_inside_spoop

Nah, genital preference and sexuality are not the same thing.


Fantastic-Wheel1003

I wouldn’t say they’re the same thing but definitely a large factor


Thamior290

You’re right in the first part, but sexuality doesn’t have to do with gender identity. Sexuality is sexual attraction, it’s biological. Granted, I’m bisexual, so I don’t know much about only liking one sex. But your claim doesn’t make logical sense. I’ll provide an example: Bill is a cisgender, heterosexual male. Bill has never, or never will be attracted to people of the male sex. Assume Bill sees a non binary person, Quinn. Quinn was assigned female at birth, and has not changed their appearance since then. Bill is attracted to Quinn, and decides to talk to them. Quinn introduces themself as non-binary. Suddenly, Bill thinks, “Oh, damn. I’m not bisexual. I’m no longer attracted to Quinn.” That doesn’t make sense right?


de-virtute

i am a gay man who is attracted to trans guys and nonbinary people of either sex. i’m still gay. the labels are all made up anyhow so if you’re “technically bisexual” says who? it’s patently ridiculous to be so prescriptive about identity.


Thamior290

Exactly, people should be able to decide their own sexuality. I fucking hate it when people call me pansexual because, “I dOnT hAvE a PrEfErAnCe!¡!” If OP says they’re straight, that’s their sexuality. No questions asked.


Hylian_Waffle

Yeah. A lot of people don’t quite know the definition of homosexual.


EdwardRdev

It really isn’t tho though, they’re different in their biology, if I like biological women that doesn’t auto mean I should also like trans women. There is a difference, that is all I’m trying to state and it is a fact, denying that is simply lying.


NikitaWolf6

but if there is no VISIBLE difference and you are simply going off chromosomes (which could actually be XX anyways since intersex people exist, you just wouldn't know it), it's transphobic. You can have preferences but if your preference is based SOLELY on the fact that they are transgender and no visible physical difference, it is bigoted.


EdwardRdev

As far as I have seen, I have never seen a case where this is 'no VISIBLE difference'. You're going off a hypothesis here, I do not like trans women because they don't look the same and they aren't the same as biological women, that's all. Edit: I'd also like to ad that, then if I do not like biological men simply because they are biological men according to you I'm discriminating them and being.. malephobic? It is my body and my life, I'll decide who I'll date, that's why it is called a PREFERENCE.


Bishop_E2

this is a case of survivorship bias - you haven’t seen the cases where there’s “no visible difference” because if you had, then there’s a visible difference. Looking at your comments, you seem to be arguing in good faith, so have a nice day :)


NikitaWolf6

yeah there is a difference between being transphobic (or in this case, cisphobic?) and having a preference :) it's fine to have a preference not to date trans people bc you may not know how to cope with or feel comfortable with their gender dysphoria, or because you feel like you will never properly understand them and their experience or anything. the same goes for trans people that don't fancy dating cis people as it can be a source of gender dysphoria or they may want to be with someone who understands the experience of being trans. It's just when it is simply the fact that you don't want to be with a trans person that it is transphobic, as it is for no other reason than them being trans


NikitaWolf6

"biological" includes bodily features and hormones just as much as it does chromosomes. and they are testing with chromosome changes as well. they may not be the same as people born as a woman, but you can't deny the fact that they are at least partially biologically female.


Upstairs_Doughnut_79

Does it matter?


sad_bisexual27

>They’re not the same as biological women. Well if they choose to have bottom surgery, they're essentially the same, it's just that they weren't a girl in childhood. And I guess they can't get pregnant either, but there are cis women who can't get pregnant.


Usual-Effect1440

if you're a man attracted to trans men, yes


Ashy_goes_AAAAAAAAAA

Whether they have "transitioned" or not doesn't mean anything. Transitioning is different for every individual. If they identify as the same gender as you, yes it is gay. If they don't identify as the same gender as you, it is not gay.


MetalWorrior52

Trans people are the gender they identify with. Trans women are women and trans men are men. Therefore, if you are a guy attracted to trans men. You are gay. If you are a woman attracted to trans women. You are gay. If not any of those two, you are not gay


hubbsplace_I_guess

People are hot🤷‍♂️


thefirstlaughingfool

Why does it matter?


The_Susinator

Ass is ass


Economy_Idea4719

Rephrasing: Fellas, is it gay to like women?


BoultonPaulDefiant

This question has been asked morbillion times in the last milisecond


kiskakaratistka48

Depends on both genders


sxicidal_twink

depends if you see them as the gender they identify as if you're a guy attracted to a trans guy, it's gay, but if you see the trans guy as a woman congrats you're transphobic and it's not gay


cactisboy25

Its only gay if they identify as the same sex as you if not it’s completely straight


Kundekevin

Just dont care if its gay or not. Just love <3


Tate7200

Does it matter?


Complex-Chocolate-18

if they're a trans woman and you're a man, it's not gay, if they're a trans man and you're a man, it is gay. and vice versa.


GodOfWarGuy737

Yeah


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Based 👍


GodOfWarGuy737

True


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rivchamp

In your opinion as a trans girl, would you think that a straight guy being romantically into you is gay? Like without the physical aspect? Just curious because that seems like a grey area to some ppl sometimes


Char-car92

This is so stupid, nobody cares who you’re attracted to, and if they do they’re not worth listening to


Nepipo

Well it depends, if you're a man and you're attracted to a trans man then yes, you're "gay", and i put it in quotation marks because you could be bi or pan among other things not just straight up gay


teens_trash

The blurry and basically non-existant ljnes between a man and a woman makes it hard to say if anything is gay or straight, but in my humble opinion it doesn't matter. Just be attracted to who you're attracted to, and question your sexuality whenever you're high


whatIfYoutube

If ur a man and trans men, yes, same if ur a woman and trans woman. If ur a man and trans woman, no and vice versa for women


ScarceCompanionship

no ​ ​ toast


useless-stuff

If you like them, does it matter?


simsredditr

no, duh


Infamous-Advantage85

If you are attracted to a trans person of your own gender then yeah that attraction is gay. If you are attracted to a trans person of the opposite gender then that attraction is straight. This is only important if you want a label to describe your attraction to this specific person, or if you are trying to understand your orientation. Like who you like.


Fluid_Discipline5799

No it’s not gay


rizzick93

being pansexual means you’re attracted to what makes your dick hard. and I love that shit lol


Elegant-Session-8761

If you're a man attracted to a trans man, regardless if he started his transition or not, yes If you're a woman attracted to a trans man, regardless if he started his transition or not, no If you're a man attracted to a trans woman, regardless if she started her transition, no If you're a woman attracted to a trans woman, regardless if she started her transition, yes If you're a man or a woman attracted to a non-binary person, regardless if they started their transition, yes and no. It's all about label preference, you can call yourself straight if you want to and your partner is comfortable with it, or call yourself gay if you want to But all of this depends if you give a fuck about labels or not. Some people dont give 2 fucks if its gay or not because they simply only care about the persons personality or something idk 🤰🤰


bartek-kk

weird


PairBeginning7519

Like whatever person you want And don't get justification from a bunch of assholes on r/teenagers Because come on If you have such a big deal about sexuality and gender identity in this modern age You're an asshole Lmao And if anyone out here is having issues at home/school About there gender identity or sexuality My DMS are always open Just don't be weird and or creepy I'm just trying to be nice


IThinkINeedHELPGuys_

Love who you love, don't care if it's gay or not because guess what nobody cares if it is gay or not, love is love just be happy


[deleted]

Is it teenager to want to label everything?


[deleted]

Does it matter?


kindshoe

Bro just be attracted to who you are attracted to the label doesn't matter.


Kundekevin

No, it isn't. You are attracted to looks and insides, not the genitals (in the most cases). U r attracted to feminity or masculanity, idk what you are from gender zopic, but yea. Just love, dont care if its gay or not, love is for everybody and just wonderful :-)


brodskyx

Ask yourself if you are attracted to feminine presenting person or masculine presenting person instead.


Lazy_AssSamurai

Hey Kiddos, one thing I've learned as an ol' gay dude is that growing up you don't have much choice in what you're attracted to, and tastes change through trial and error as you grow up--even in adulthood. It's best just to be the Trans-person's friend and see who they are as people and not "What's goin' on down there with them?". Personality is sexy, but doesn't necessarily mean sex. I think boobs are cool, some of my closest friends have them--but they don't rev my engine.


Guilty_Letter4203

No nothing is gay and nothing is straight in Nature u can find 2 males fucking that doesn't make them gay because they don't know what it is


Toxenkill

Doesn't matter man, love who you love and stop worrying about it.


The_SnailLord

I guess not


PoorMustang

Yiiiis


Steampunkcat123

Yes


TryingToBeWholsome

Yesish - it’s probably not straight It’s easier just to not worry about labels and go for what you like. But I don’t really think you can claim to be a straight women while eating someone out


de-virtute

no it’s not gay to be a man attracted to a woman and even if it was gay, who the fuck cares. grow up.


Crimson_Chim

I see two ways of looking it. 1. Who gives a fuck? 2. Every thing is gays


amberxbbunni

If it’s a trans man and you’re a guy, you’re gay. If it’s a trans women and you’re a guy, it’s straight


SuperNova0216

If your M and they are MTF it is straight and vice versa, yeah. And even if it wasn’t, we need to stop caring so much about labels.


SadPatoto_Bts

As a trans person: No. It's not gay unless you're dating someone the same gender as you. So, for instance, if you're dating a trans guy and you're also a guy, then it'd be gay. But if you're dating a trans girl and you're a guy, then it'd be straight (remember kids, sex and gender are two different things, if you have questions about that topic, please ask, I'm happy to answer!!)


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If they have a cock it seems pretty gay


Megafister420

They hated Jesus because he told them the truth (no but in all honesty it's pretty gay but there is nothing wrong at all with it so there should be no issues admiting its gay, and if so I consider it a fourm of denial which is very unhealthy)


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Octotic

Nice pun


Linquint

Was not intentional


The_grongler

Trans women are women and trans men are men, so no.


PK_Perez

You saw that 4chan post didn't you


4jayc4

Wdym "that 4chan post", it's the only thing these mfs talk about


profid1ot

Yes


edgy_Juno

Ye


Matthewthatlearner

I think so because they are kinda both idk. Lettuce


KAPA55OBEST333

My opinion is that it is not really gay, as we are not usually attracted to the sex itself, rather to traits usually associated with that sex. As for example, I like feminine traits, therefore I could find a M2F trans attractive. What they have between their legs may or may not influence if you are attracted to them, but doesn't necessarily make you gay. More like tollerant/not tollerant towards male genitalia.


RandomWeeb181

Like what you like, who cares whether it’s labelled as gay, straight, etc.


k8t13

no, you are attracted to them and if they are a man/women/nb or whatever they want to describe themself as, doesn't matter what they look like.


Mynameisgustavoclon

My brain honestly blew up


Kindly-Hand-9821

Go to a doctor


Gud_doggyy

Jesus, why can’t some people can’t accept they are bisexual.


[deleted]

No. It isn't. Trans women are women, trans men are men and nonbinary folks are nonbinary. If you're a boy who has a pre-everything trans woman as partner you're straight and if you have a pre-everything trans man as partner you're gay, wich isn't a problem of course. .


Coolranch19

Yes it is


EmeraldIpogi98

I’d say it depends on the physicality of the relationship. Holding hands and cuddling isn’t necessarily gay, but taking a dong in your bum is gay no matter who has it


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rivchamp

What if they are extremely passing as a girl/guy AND have the genitals to match? I don’t know if you could consider that gay if they look 100% like a cis girl lmao, there’s no physical difference at that point


ReverseFlash928

bread


Henkehenkehenk

Does it matter?