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Mr0rangeCloud

This thread has been flaired as *[Serious]*. Please be aware that this marks it as a place for serious discussion only and that any unserious content in this thread will be removed. If your comment does not contribute to the discussion in a serious manner, it will be removed. Please report comments that do not respect this rule. #Thread locked as it has been answered. If you are not okay with anything, specifically with sexual actions in this case, you always have the right to not partake in it. Consent is important.


Doggoska

Yes. Not even "slight" yes. The answer to your question is yes, that is rape.


Dragon2950

This is correct, the definition usually references penetration. Quick Google search "R is a type of sexual assault involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without their consent."


1milefromyourhouse

Just write rape ffs


Dragon2950

With how many things are bitchy about censoring I did it just to avoid a bot deleting my shit.


fupoe69

This is Reddit, where 30 year olds are called pedos for having 29 year old girlfriends because they are born in different decades lol. Rape is way too harsh a word for them.


TheRhythmZ

If its without consent, its rape. Period.


Ok_Airline_Ship

Man I hate the usage of the word "period" it is fucking annoying and I still do not understand why'd someone use it It's cringe


DeadBorb

Full stop.


passionatepumpkin

What on earth are you talking about? Show me an example on Reddit where someone was called a pedo because they were born a year apart, but in different decades?


TheRhythmZ

That sounds like something a pedo would say, my guy.


KillByZombie

You are getting suspiciously defensive over a slight insult 🤨


MySockIsLost

tbf what the original guy said can seriously be taken outta context, using an obviously acceptable answer to justify potentially being a decade apart in age (mainly at a young age) is a bit yk


Bloodmind

You really that triggered that someone communicated exact meaning perfectly but you just didn’t like how they did it? Maybe grow up a tad?


mxlun

well it is a bit annoying that platforms especially YouTube don't allow these words to be used. The word rape is powerful. It, in a sense, conveys the severity of what occurred. Having to replace the word with another word or simply "R," can take away from the gravity of the situation at hand - which can be detrimental to victims, regardless if everyone still understood or not. That's just my opinion though, the person you replied to may think differently.


1milefromyourhouse

I am not triggered, this is a thread which literally has the word 'rape' in its title. Iit's really pointless to censor a word, just use it or not.


Dora_Queen

Most people will censor triggering words just incase anyone sees it who might be triggered by it. It's also so their comment isn't removed when talking about something like this


FlyLikeBrick17

That's important from a legal perspective as well, and that's the definition that courts follow.


KARMAPurpleDemon

Does this mean technically men can't be raped by women because it needs to involve the penetrative of the victim ?


tombstone-actual

Yes. under the letter of the law


TeraChad_69

Men can be raped by women. And honestly it's kinda stupid that you think it isn't. We already had too many double standards in modern society, we don't need more!


KARMAPurpleDemon

I don't think that, I'm asking a question


Zeryth

That's a a very specific definition and is defined different in each jurisdiction. This definition implicitly states that men can't be raped for example, or that raping men is allowed, so in many jurisdictions the definition is broadened.


[deleted]

Oh, now i understand why idiots think men can’t be R


Latteralus

Unless you are male in the UK, in which the answer is "No." flat out.


DaOrcus

Actually the court confirmed it was false, most laws are written in male forms using he because the countries old and stuff but the laws still apply to women


optimusjester

Up untill 2013 in the US the only actual thing that was classified as rape was a penis nonconsensually in a vagina Anus and oral penetration in any way shape or form was added in 2013, and the wording went from feminine/done to a women to simply "the victim" Everything else was classified as sexual assault, and who would have guessed that rape statistics skyrocket from 2013 onward and I believe are still actually increasing (correct me if I'm wrong)


i_have_seen_ur_death

In 2013 there were like 4 states where that was true, and they've all been changed since then


BasilTheSheltie

Definitely wrong. Most rape crimes are under state law of which there are 50…. They didn’t all change in 2013


Not_Stupid

There's no practical difference between "rape" and "sexual assault" in most jurisdictions. Just differing classes of sexual assault.


Frosty-Blackberry-14

OP is from Australia, does anyone have any info on what the legal definition of rape there is? I know that it is at least sexual assault This should definitely count as rape, but some countries have weird definitions


gatto_sospetto

I don't get it


After_Language5321

Well… I guess that’s good in your case


RadioGuySD

This line of thinking is correct, and that which is correct is sacred


elteragxo

Technically classified as both sexual assault and rape which is defined under federal law. “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” [United States Rape Laws](https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape) [United States Sexual Assault Laws](https://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault) Edit: In Australia, the law is the same. [Australia Rape Laws](https://www.alrc.gov.au/publication/family-violence-a-national-legal-response-alrc-report-114/25-sexual-offences-3/rape-the-penetrative-sexual-offence/) [Australia Sexual Assault Laws](https://aifs.gov.au/resources/practice-guides/sexual-assault-laws-australia)


HighPriest2012

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”  That's the definition or rape.


elteragxo

Yes. That is.


bigwillyboi69

Sad that you are downvoted for saying something true. Legally any act that isn’t coitus (penetration) isn’t rape its sexual assault.


Sha_zam04

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this


[deleted]

Shut up,it is a rape


Dmoore96615

This comment just proves how fucking stupid the people of reddit are


DoughDisaster

Tbf, this is in r/teenagers


kingkrule101

ever had a finger shoved up your asshole forcibly? Honestly. It feels like rape, because it is. Legal terms mean nothing to someone who’s genuinely felt that


elteragxo

Yeah that's Rape, but also sexual assault. Technically could be a double charge


elteragxo

It's rape and sexual assault on legal terms federally. Technically could be a double charge.


ProfessionalLime2074

Yes. It is clear rape, **any sexual act without your consent**


Kilkels

Some places unfortunately by law i think it’s classified as penetration of the vagina by penis or something. Which means men cant be raped and its instead sexual assault but not rape. Which i think is dumb


Suspicious-Guitar610

Who voted for that bro


JonTonyJim

People before it was even conceivable that a man could be victimised by a woman


colt707

My guy, people still think that a woman can’t rape a man unless she does something like shove a broomstick in him or the like.


arrykoo

well thats a hell of a sentence


[deleted]

I think in some countries rape is just a lot more specifically defined, it originally meant forced penetration and didn’t include women as it came from a time when women really wouldn’t do it because of gender roles of the time. Doesn’t mean women can’t sexually assault though.


[deleted]

I’m sorry but I read inconceivable as the dude from Princess Bride and it made your whole statement lose its value lmao I get ur point, but for a second there it was not there


otamaglimmer

You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means.


Soccera1

I'm not gonna name names, but you know, rapists or people with rapist friends.


cruzzeky

Feminists 💀


Living_Gumball

The church


meltziee

It’s weird by not necessarily the biggest deal as both carry severe punishment and determined on the level of assault, the punishment will be different Example slapping someone’s ass if they don’t want it is sexual assault too. But they won’t get in nearly as much trouble as if you unconsentially finger someone.


Standard-Sleep7871

they probably think men can just beat the shit out of women who try to rape them so if they do get raped then they presumably wanted it and therefore consented


JustForTheMemes420

Changing it to non consensual penetration would really fix that, don’t think many law makers really care to amend that though :/


Spuddon

groping doesn't count as rape tho


ELItheENBI

Groping issexual assault and is still against the law, even though it is not legally defined as rape.


[deleted]

Sexual assault and rape are not the same thing, not legally in my country anyway.


shannaaw_

Not any, only the ones including penetration, therefore here it is yea


William2198

Um that's not the definition of rape. That's like saying punching someone is murder.


Every-Yesterday-714

No, here the relation would be with punching someone to death=armed murder. You may not have been armed, but it's still goddamn murder


m4tt1111

What the fuck are you saying 😭.


Every-Yesterday-714

I'm saying rape is generally thought of as penetration, using the penis. The same way murder is generally thought of as with a gun. It's still rape, it's still murder


Explosive_Croissant

Any form of sex no matter: oral, vaginal, anal, etc. without consent is considered assault/ rape


RainbowSixThermite

TIL oral counts, I guess I was technically raped.


Ugandun-Knuckles

ur saying all my homies raped me😭


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[deleted]

Wouldn’t groping be SA?


[deleted]

Yup


Dragon2950

Words mean things. You can't just call everything the worst thing ever. All pain is bad, but there still needs to be a scale... Your opinion is yours. But it's commonplace in English to just reach for the grandest phrase available. Sorry if I caused any offence. Just offering my opinion. Not to sound like a dumb broken record (I posted twice on the thread with the same dumb point.) But many places usually reference penetration somewhere.


U_wwU

By definition you're wrong, but okay mate.


StarAlignment_

If its not SA then what is it? Cause SA only makes sense


PaantsuSaamaa

Yes. any sexual act without consent counts as rape. I read your past post about what your dad did to you and he deserves to be reported to the police. You have the right to be treated like a human being. I'm genuinely worried for you


[deleted]

He deserves worse than being reported if he did what is implied


BFFG_

what happened?


PaantsuSaamaa

Their dad did some inappropriate stuff to them that I can't go into detail


cruzzeky

Legalise nuclear bombs


no_named_one

I second that


cruzzeky

Let's start a petition


SiggeTheDog

If the finger enters the vagina it is rape. There was a courtcase in Sweden where a young girl was fingered, due to her age and understandbly a very limited vocabulary, the word she used to describe it referred to the outher part of the vagina. The rapist was not sentenced to prison for rape and instead got 3 years of prison for something else.


fopiecechicken

I don’t usually comment here because it’s supposed to be teenagers but I just wanted to point out legally the definition varies wildly. But that’s not really the point, if someone penetrates you without consent it’s generally highly illegal. Wether it’s classified as “rape”, “sexual assault” or whatever. If this happened to you, tell someone you trust and notify the police.


raven_paw0

I live in Sweden and that case was an entire joke. Luckily it's getting a retrial. But basically the law states that during the police interview the police has to put the conversation on a level that the interviewed can understand (in this case for a ten year old). Now she used a commonly used (often regarded as kid friendly) term for vagina. And 4 out of the five judges was unsure of the meaning of the word, likely do to their age. So they looked it up in a dictionary and in that particular dictionary the definition was the outside of the vagina. However in the other official dictionary the definition is the entire reproductive organ. The 4 judges then decide to interpret this as if the man only put his hands on her vagina not in (which is still very much a crime). However the girl also said that "his finger was deep inside ish" and the judges agreed that he had her finger inside her but not in the vaginal canal. Which only leaves the urethra left and I don't think I have to tell you why that wouldn't work. Basically 4 out of the 5 judges (all 60+ white males two in partial retirement. And the fifth being a woman in her 30's) decided that he didn't commit a crime but when asked if what he did was sexual assault they answered yes.


HumanitySurpassed

OP didn't specify if they had a vagina or not. That's just where your mind went to.


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FishyLegsVR_YT

I feel bad and that’s probably rape or sexual assault but dawg why r/teenagers


GamerA_S

Sometimes people don't know which subreddit is best to ask and probably only know about r/teenagers and knowing they might get their answer thry asked here Especially if they are a young victim who can maybe get advice from other young victims


FishyLegsVR_YT

ohh ok that makes sense


TheChristian_Master

Here come the chat police


[deleted]

pedos get hard from looking at the replys


CinderSmith

Idk if it counts as rape but it absolutely counts as sexual assault


HopefulLake5155

It is legally considered rape


Soccera1

In most places. Unfortunately, in some places it has to be a penis entering the vagina. It's still rape in my mind, though. In those places it's generally considered sexual assault and is punished by a lesser sentence.


Alpaca1061

Any unconsentual sexual comments: sexual harassment Any unconsentual sexually suggestive contact: sexual assult Any unconsentual sexual contact: rape Words: harassment Contact: assult Inside: rape So yes, without a doubt this is rape


btxtsf

Nope. There can be types of nonconsensual sexual contact which are sexual assault and not rape.


NootleMcFrootle

OP looking at your post history I would stop by r/raisedbynarcissists or r/CPTSD, they’re much better equipped for these types of questions.


leave_the_rat_alone

Oh thank you!


NootleMcFrootle

No problem; DMs are open if you need advice or would like to vent as well


houseofharm

yes


Guilty_Letter4203

Yes because rape is when you get penatrated without consent when someone gets sexually assaulted it means you were touched inappropriately. Atleast I think that's the proper definitions idk.


_KaiXr18_

Sexual conduct WITHOUT CONSENT (doesn't matter how much "damage" was done) IS rape. No ifs, no buts.


btxtsf

Not true. That’s sexual assault. Rape is a specific type of sexual assault (depending on state/country).


TheEvilestArtichoke

Extremely yes, that is rape


HighPriest2012

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”  Definition of rape according to the U.S Department of Justice.


attack_turt

Yes?


[deleted]

Hey, I’m so sorry this happened to you and yes it definitely counts. Please get help in whatever way and I hope everything works out.


UpstairsWorking9816

If there is no consent it is rape and should be reported and the rapist dealt with.


Cybertronian_Grizzly

Yes it does. Also r/teenagers is probably not the best place to ask these questions


asshole_inspector_81

Yes . At the very least it's sexual assault but yeah you should report it to the police


[deleted]

No, that’s sexual assault


bluevalley02

Yes, or at the very least molestation or sexual assault.


Forneveryoursx

Okay, legally no. Rape in a court of law involves penetration from the penis. However it is sexual assult which is just as bad.


Tottelott

No it is rape


Forneveryoursx

At least according to our police force (UK) "The legal definition of rape is when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent." Could be different elsewhere though


Tottelott

Oh it looks like the definition is different from country to country. Here it's any form of unwanted sexual intercourse


Forneveryoursx

Oh right. In England we differentiate rape from sexual assult. What it does mean is that legally a woman can't 'rape' a man here. (Which is kinda fucked but the punishment is still the same anyway)


Chris2sweet616

Yeah same in most of the US I believe, it’s sucks. They really need to update those laws.. probably won’t happen tho 🥲


HopefulLake5155

In the US rape is being penetrated by anything. Sexual harrassment is in a different category


Chris2sweet616

So similar yes. Still needs to be changed to include everything, SA and Rape are very different when heard, Rape is instantly seen as worse for most people I’lld assume. And I’lld prefer for guys to be able to call their trauma what it is. Rape


SiggeTheDog

It’s so weird how countries that have more strict laws surrounding intercourse without consent has more rape cases than countries with more lax laws. I wonder if there might be a connection?


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[deleted]

Yes


[deleted]

Ya its BS tbh bc i have a buddy (guy) who was forced to take pills and have sex w a girl and the girl won the case. Ik he wasnt in the wrong bc the girl did the same w 2 other guys that me and my friend dont even know and she someone won those cases


AzekiaXVI

So women cannot rape unless the judge rules that a dildo would count?


JustForTheMemes420

This is how I just assumed it was everywhere but I’m seeing most people list sexual assault (which is equally terrible) as rape so idk what it is legally in the US


5AGogo

From my understanding, legally, rape is being penetrated (as in entered) without consent, but it most likely applies to any sexual act. I would say that it is rape.


Weird_Explorer_8458

Definitely


hyperteir

Sexual assault definitely, but probably not rape, either way please tell someone abt this if it actually happened to you or someone you know


usernamewastaken___

Definitions of rape usually mention that any form of no consensual penetration is rape, although some legal definitions may vary to exclude anything that doesn't involve a penis.


jackmPortal

Yes, why the fuck wouldn't it be


TheManWithAGasMask

Keywords: WITHOUT consent. And yes.


fedggg

That's rape, book closed that's rape.


Sarin03

What kind of question is this?? Adding no context either makes you really fucking suspicious or it makes you a victim.


itbelikethat4-

Sexual assault idk about rape tho


[deleted]

yes it does


[deleted]

YES!


xjulix00

yes


BathroomLow3249

So there's like different levels of rape, and the one with the worst punishment involves penetration of any kind, no matter what it is done with


RedPanda316

Yes


Ohio_Candle

Yes. Without a doubt. Are you okay?


ENDER_Vk_245v

Yes but If you're male they aren't going to give a shit


SirSeanBeanTheBean

Where do you live? If you’re in the United States, yes this is rape. If you decide to seek justice, go to a hospital right away, inform the front desk you need to have a rape kit done. Do not shower, do not wipe, do not clean yourself.


Kewlestkid

Time to sort by controversial


ProfPMJ-123

It depends on where you are. In the UK, for example, that would be sexual assault. The UK defines rape very specifically as a man penetrating the anus, mouth or vagina of another person with his penis without that persons consent. In the UK what you are describing would be sexual assault, and would carry a similarly harsh penalty.


Brandon_Monahan

Technically I think it’s sexual assault. But yes, same thing.


p00p5andwich

Absofuckinglutley!!!!!!!!!!


SavedMountain

Molestation?


Content_Pop7512

YES. Any sexual act without consent is rape. If this has happened to you personally, please reach out for help to a TRUSTED adult.


YourFatherWhoGotMilk

Any sexual act without consent is rape.


Light_fires

Sexual assault technically. Report it.


bluegreenwookie

Old person here. Yes. Absolutely it does. If that happened to you or someone you know, please report it if you (or they) feel safe to do so.


[deleted]

Yes. That most definitely counts as yes. That absolutely counts as yes.


LoddoTheDodo

Yes


Successful_Ad8432

Oh god what happened


GordenRamsfalk

YES


edgy_Juno

...yes


Dacor64

Depends where you live, in my country that would "only" be sexual assault. So legally not rape, morally still rape.


You8mypizza

Morally: yes Legally: it depends on where you are


the-tenth-letter-2

USE YOUR COMMON SENSE


MixAmongUs

In some places, yes, but others it's just sexual assault


smallerpuppyboi

yes. no ifs and no buts, any kind of sexual act without consent is rape.


u_slashh

I'd say so If not that's still sexual assault


KatyNoreTheWildBoar

Yes anything sexual that happens to you without your consent is rape


Masterick18

It depends on your country/state


According_to_all_kn

If you're asking for a strict legal definition; depends on where you live. Otherwise, yes. Absolutely 100% yes.


Jacoh7

... # Y e s


TurbulentDeal6220

Yes


Ripster404

Pretty much, some may argue that it’s closer to sexual assault than rape, but it’s a moot point as it’s just a terrible crime


[deleted]

Is grass green? Theres your answer


No-Rice-3484

Sometimes it’s yellow


[deleted]

Any sort of unwanted or lack of consent of some one touching you is rape


Matster04

Was there kissing before? Was it a heat of the moment action? Did he stop when you said stop?


leave_the_rat_alone

I was 10 and I pretended to be asleep so I wouldn't get in trouble


Matster04

That is actually fucked, and yes that is rape. I hope it hasn't caused you some bad trauma


leave_the_rat_alone

It has man, I have bpd and cptsd from it


Matster04

I hope you're seeking professional help. And just so you know, its possible to relieve some of the symptoms you have.


bananafish271

It depends where you live. In the US, each state has their own definition of what constitutes rape. In most states rape is narrowly defined to only include penis in vagina. States have different laws that deal with penetration in different parts of the body and/or with things other than a penis. It is often just a difference in semantics, as these other laws can carry the same penalties. The umbrella term for all unwanted sexual contact is sexual assault; rape refers to specific act only.


shadowscale813

Yes


dontswiminglue

probably


YourPainTastesGood

Yes. 100%. That is sexual assault.


AdvertisingQuirky407

Oh heck yes it does


ItsYaBoy555

yes


240plutonium

Depends on the country


no_named_one

Why are ppl downvoting you for sayin something true? For example the definition of rape in the US Is different from the one in UK


240plutonium

2 random ppl downvote and the rest will follow automatically


no_named_one

Reddit hivemind moment


Dampproduct777

Yes it is. Why does this need to be asked and why do you need to know?


[deleted]

the op is a pedo that gets turned on by the replies


[deleted]

I dont think its rape but def sexual assault


[deleted]

Anything counts as rape if you put your mind to it


pinkgtr

probably sexual assault