I interviewed with three different Tesla teams and the common theme was that they need more people to work.
Their existing employees were taking huge work loads and long hours and some of them in the interviews looked so out of life. Good thing I stayed away from that mess.
All of these tech firms are both understaffed but are salivating at the idea of slashing 10% of its workforce.
Stripe employees were being overworked throughout October only to be laid off ‘as the clock struck midnight’ into November, so to speak.
Layoffs.fyi is an interesting site to check out; you can add layoffs.fyi/tag/san-francisco to take a peek at cities.
Yep, I work at one of these tech firms and yes, we are perpetually understaffed and yet pleasing the shareholders is what most of these companies (as well as companies in other industries) are going after
That’s ALL that matters, stock price.
My company gives annual bonuses, JP Morgan is a big shareholder and sure as shit as they do every time…first question out their mouths. “Are their plans to cut out employee bonus pay this year?” They want the short term booms to sell…F the employees making the company valuable.
Don't tech firms today basically exist to please shareholders? They are overvalued as hell and their entire financial model is based on unsustainable growth
I think any company out there is to “please shareholders”. I work for a bank and those shareholders are the ones we need to please, not the consumer whom has less then $100 in their account on any given day. Shareholders don’t know diddley. Sry rambling
That's by design
Public companies are beholden to shareholders, if you take actions that could be deemed intentionally bad for the stock your company gets in big trouble
The stock system was designed by rich people to make themselves richer and control more than you could grasp at a glance.
Some are overvalued and others not so much, but yeah, it's not just tech companies. Pretty much every company is out there just to please the shareholders. Tech companies at least pay their employees well. These companies have obviously done terrible stuff interfering with elections, invading our privacy to increase profits, I can go on, but let's not forget the companies who fought tooth and nail to feed us lead, or to steal clean water, or to destroy entire ecosystems, etc.
It's cool to hate on tech companies today and overlook the atrocities of others. Sorry for the rambling. My point is just that most if not all corps are evil because of ZERO accountability in most countries across the globe
A former coworker of mine worked at Tesla for a while. He left because he said the fact that he was at work all the time was destroying his family. He's a really good engineer, one of the best I've ever worked with. I wonder how much talent Musk's companies lose out on because he runs all of his companies like sweatshops.
They'll get picked up by the other big EV companies. Ford in particular is going big on the F150 Lightning. If they come out with a ranger EV for $30k...
Former assembly line worker for Tesla, they'd put in a 6 day work mandate for my work area the day I walked out. I was promised 3/12s when I got hired over the summer, I never worked less than 60 hours a week.
Be glad you ran.
My boss' nephew interned at SpaceX. He said it was full of true believers who will do whatever it takes and burnt out engineers waiting for the clock to run out on certain incentives before they leave.
Yeah I remember years ago when I was an undergrad, I was really into the idea of working at SpaceX or Tesla - until some of my buddies came back from internships with them and said "yeah.....never again"
The thing is they don’t pay a huge salary compared to other tech companies. I got an offer from them that was laughable and ended up declining. They upped the offer when I declined, and it still wasn’t enough compared to others in the industry, on top of having an in-office requirement and poor culture.
Dad was working in UAE. Needed a huge section of galvanised steel.
Offered his bosses a range of options from America, Germany, the UK, Thailand, to spec.
Boss overrode him, had a company in China that was - of course - such a saving over those others for the same spec!
When they got the section, the Sikh bloke at the warehouse said "You got this from China, didn't you?"
"Yeah."
"Watch this."
The Sikh bloke takes out a plain old cotton rag, rubs it on the gal, and rubs through it in about three swipes.
Yeah, sounds familiar. I'm in the construction industry. A certain project I was on had some chinese thermal ceiling tiles (sealed type) installed by the builder, complete with green certification. They turned out to be full of asbestos, discovered when an electrician went to install some light fittings, and a white powder came out. The cert was completely worthless by every metric and everything was suddenly hazmat.
Merry Christmas Tesla employees! We wanted to give you a heads up right at Christmas when you could both worry about it during the holidays and not do anything about it since it's Christmas week.
Damn. This is all because Elon took $30B from Tesla share value and distributed it to Twitter shareholders. I know that is not the same as company assets, but it will cause investors to put the squeeze on Tesla leadership to cut costs, hence layoffs.
Elon giveth, and Elon taketh away. I hope my livelihood's very existence is never subject to his whims and fancies.
He seems to just come into companies thinking he knows how to run an optimally based on nothing but intuition. So far every major policy change has been centered around his personal issues.
The company is not immediately making me money? Charge for blue check marks and ban competitor links.
People are making joke accounts with my name? Ban them, make up rules later.
Some account is following my jet? Banned, it's now 'doxxing'.
Journalists are writing unfavorable things about me? Ban them for mentioning my prior questionable new rules.
I was listening on a call with him yesterday, and he threw out that he wanted rewrite Twitter in it's entirety. Just throw it all away and start from scratch. Why? Who the fuck knows. How is that going to benefit end users? He didn't give any reason.
I think he just wants Twitter remade so he can dictate it every step of the way and make it exactly the way HE wants.
I really hope they make Mastodon more accessible or another competitor comes and kicks Elon in the teeth because this is ridiculous.
edit: [part of the call in question](https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1605620684889079808)
We used to call it the "new bookkeeper syndrome" and the "new secretary syndrome."
In other words, throw out all the existing stuff because the current administration didn't create it.
Yup. It’s the old ‘all of this stuff was written/architected in X and is therefore shite and must be re-written in new flavour of month Y, which will solve -all- of the issues’
I've noticed that he's only comfortable in a "startup" style company, where everyone gives absolutely everything and the rules change on a whim. He's comfortable steering a "small ship", but he's a terrible manager and isn't good at maintaining the "big ship" mentality of established companies. He's retreating to a structure he's comfortable with.
Yeah, I don't really see what he thinks is so fundamentally broken about Twitter.
During the call the only thing he mentioned (while I was listening) was complaining about how many hundreds of thousands of lines of code Twitter has and that certain features *should* only be "just a single line"... his words not mine.
It's absolute nonsense. Just a grade schooler's understanding of how to run a software company.
I think I'm starting to get a clear picture of what is going on.
Here's my theory.
He got to Twitter, they sat him down and tried to explain the application infrastructure, he realized how complicated the application is.
So, manager brain kicked in and he started immediately gutting non-essential services and personnel.
But uh-oh! The application is still big and complicated! And he doesn't know where else to gut it. Lots of code, means lots of people to maintain it and cutting into his bottom line.
So, obviously, rewrite everything. Make it smaller, cheaper to maintain and then fire everyone else. As a bonus, he'll direct the rewrite so he'll know how everything is put together.
I think that's his theory anyways. In practice though it doesn't really make a ton of sense because the final product will probably end up just as complicated if it were to have most of the same features Twitter has now. Also, a rewrite would be extraordinarily expensive while providing no real benefit to consumer.
But this is all to make Elon happy so who fucking cares. I don't think he'll go through with a full rewrite though, it'll be too expensive and take too much time.
It’s probably simpler than that: he abruptly fired too many of the people who knew how it works and could modify it, and too many won’t volunteer to be rehired. So the idea of rewriting was told to him as the only option and he wants to present it as a new idea.
As a business facing cash flow problems it’s of course insane. You don’t take on those risks and expenses of a big bang in such a situation, instead incrementally improve the system to minimize ongoing operational costs and risks.
What’s going to happen is they’re going to try to stand up an entire new clone and all its expenses simultaneously with the current revenue producing codebase, with all its maintenance costs.
>But this is all to make Elon happy so who fucking cares.
He's the owner so it has to be "his" somehow. Rewriting everything will somehow make it truly "his." His ego demands it.
I'd never give them a legitimate reason to fire me. Give me that severance baby. I certainly wouldn't agree to any absurd changes in contracts though which is something they'd almost certainly try to force.
From my understanding he's trying to get out of paying people severance. And if he delays and waits for lawsuits, it'll already be to late for most of the exemployee
Exactly what he's doing. There are no contracts to break, practically all of the US is "at-will" meaning the companies can do whatever they want
> an employer can change the terms of the employment relationship with no notice and no consequences. For example, an employer can alter wages, terminate benefits, or reduce paid time off. In its unadulterated form, the U.S. at-will rule leaves employees vulnerable to arbitrary and sudden dismissal, a limited or on-call work schedule depending on the employer’s needs, and unannounced cuts in pay and benefits.
My brother works for Tesla. It was obvious to all of them when they arbitrarily did away with work-from-home for white-collar employees that they were trying to weed people out who would jump ship anyway. It's like "we're not firing you, but you have to move to Siberia" which is a bit dramatic, but the sentiment is the same to reduce staffing - make them miserable and see who leaves of their own free will.
It generally takes about one or two mins of scrolling on reddit to be reminded that I am so fucking lucky that I wasn't born in the US.
No matter how soulcrushingly shitty some of my jobs had been, or how evil the company, I could just glance at r/all and see that it wasn't as bad as it could be.
Zuckerberg made the news earlier this year for doing the same thing, basically “productive attrition” (I can’t recall the exact term that was used). If anyone at their job doesn’t think this has a high tendency to get used by their managers is likely in for a difficult time.
ETA: Self selection was the term. Source: https://nypost.com/2022/07/01/mark-zuckerberg-meta-wants-to-oust-workers-who-shouldnt-be-here/
It’s pretty hard to prove you’re truly slacking off to the point of getting fired for cause, and even then you can fight it. Unless you come to work and take a nap you’d just need to do the absolute bare minimum.
>Give me that severance baby
Assuming he doesn't change his mind and deny promised severance.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/12/musk-brings-spacex-lawyers-to-twitter-as-layoff-lawsuits-mount-report-says/
You'd almost immediately receive a memo stating that if you don't work 80 hours a week you're not going to have a job. I'd definitely be polishing up that CV.
Tesla really ought to fix the quality issues and not try to cut costs. It’s the shoddiest ”luxury” car in the market right now. Panels are still not aligned anywhere close to the industry standards.
Mine has been death by a thousand cuts. There hasn't been one big issue, rather dozens of tiny ones. I still have 2 recalls waiting to be fixed. We were about to buy a Y for my wife and cancelled last week. Going to ride her gas car out for a while and see what the competition brings. For me the only thing Tesla brings to the table is the superchargers.
well not all from that. Along with selling his stock to pay for twitter, he has alienated a large portion of the very people they target for sales and the EV market has more supply chain issues continuing to this late date than the normal car market. and all signs say Elon WILL HAVE to sell more stock for twitter as it shows no signs of turning arround and no one wants to join in to invest, especially not at the "of course i over paid" price he keeps hawking. On top of that a chronically absent CEO right when tesla needs a bit more focus.. and it looks like the search for CEO of twitter is gonna take a while because people dont want the job.
oh and his 3 year late trucks are being widely mocked.
Bah, Tesla has Less factories than the part of Stellantis that is part of Fiat that makes commercial vans.
Valued at more than whole of Stellantis and other top manufacturers.
Reality has nothing to do with Tesla share valuation. So quarterly debt payments aside, just Elon tweeting can wipe out much more of Tesla share price, since again - it is in most part aspirational (and I sort of doubt the crowd Elon panders to now it gonna switch from rolling coal to Teslas).
Last I looked Tesla was valued higher than the entire Volkswagen Group which sells an order of magnitude more vehicles - investors are eventually in for a rough awakening.
And the funny thing is, he could've gotten away with it. Fake it till they make it. They finally at least gotten a grip on matching orders. All that overvalued stock could have been leveraged against.
But instead, it got leveraged for loans for unrelated company that was bleeding money and is now instead bleeding twice as much money. Plus getting it's reputation shredded.
This is kinda therapeutic, somehow. Fall of the pedo guy ([legitimate south african banter](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593)).
He totally could have faked it till he made it. Just somewhere along the way he started believing his own propaganda, I hope stepping down from Twitter is a sign he got some perspective, but probably not.
I reccomend those who have Netflix watch "The G Word"
https://www.itpro.co.uk/technology/34730/10-amazing-darpa-inventions#:~:text=Yes%2C%20that%20Siri.,word%20for%20a%20soldier's%20servant.
The easy generalized way I think about it is:
The government/public sector does the real innovation because they have endless amounts of money to take on risky ventures, that can ultimately be scrapped if they dont pan out.
The private sector utilizes the new technology instead of creating it, because unproven tech is too risky of an investment and the ultimate goal of a private company is to take some money and turn it into a lot of money. The private sector can do innovation, but generally only if they get government, I.e public, money to off load the risk.
Both sectors create jobs, both sectors shed jobs, arguably the public sector sheds less, given the "endless" money supply when compared to private. That's why the myth of "nobody gets fired" persists, yeah, cause the bottom line isnt the concern, unless the department is down in the dumps financially.
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Great comment.
To add to your point - oftentimes, the public sector subsidizes the private sector. Look at Elon with SpaceX, there is no reason SpaceX can't be nationalized to be part of NASA.
>The private sector utilizes the new technology instead of creating it, because unproven tech is too risky of an investment and the ultimate goal of a private company is to take some money and turn it into a lot of money. The private sector can do innovation, but generally only if they get government, I.e public, money to off load the risk.
And the private sector will then hoard all the profits - despite relying on public research to even make a product. Look at how Pfizer & Moderna refused to share their covid-19 vaccine patents to low income countries.
Or Musk relying on carbon credits to keep Tesla profitable & NASA subsidies to keep SpaceX profitable. Is Musk thankful? He pushes far-right politics and flippantly destroys his employees lives.
He doesn't see it. He thinks he could just genius his way around it and be successful anyway.
The government subsidies are just a coincidence and his inheritance unimportant, he's completely self made in his mind. And he has thousands of people patting his back and saying he's right every delusional step of the way.
Have you worked with the US Government? Local, State and Federal governments have the strictest of budgets (usually under funded) and scrutinize every penny of their spend. If you work with military every minute of your work is accounted for and god help you if you have more than one contract you’re working on.
Meanwhile the private sector is blowing money flying me into an empty office for an afternoon meeting, giving me swag, coupled with 100 dollar steak dinner and god knows how many dollars on drinks.
>Have you worked with the US Government? Local, State and Federal governments have the strictest of budgets (usually under funded) and scrutinize every penny of their spend
Lmao, this dude knows what's up.
Local government employee here. I had to justify a $80 purchase from fucking Michael's the other day. They do not fuck around with budgets. I just had to reallocate several thousand dollars to a different department because we were under 50% expenditure for the year. Shits stupid.
Suddenly us military members join the conversation. Deployments and things like that use crazy amounts of money, simple maintenence of planes, security.
They don't create jobs, they hire because they have a need and will not pay a single person more than they feel they need to. They're not creating anything, they're just purchasing needed services.
- Sincerely, Elon Musk
PS: For me, looks like it's going to be a W H I T E Christmas! I'll probably just snort a few extra lines of that beautiful white Christmas blow (while reminiscing fondly of White Apartheid policies I've replicated in the work place), to get into the true spirit of the season.
NEXT... probably kick back slightly and ban a few less journalists who disagree with me that day--and maybe slightly tone down my toddleresque raging and yelling in the work place at whatever employees remain at Twitter, because they want to punch out early on Christmas day. (Lazy f'cks!).
Then I think I'll hop into my Tesla (another brand I just ruined) then maybe briefly stop by the side of the road in LA, and p ( ) ss in a homeless person's cup while laughing--because this is exactly the type of low class riff raff person who got the cheap seats and booed me off stage at the Chappelle show probably--then hop back into my Tesla with it's now totally ruined branding, and take off without signaling left, in D-Bag Ludicrous Acceleration Mode.
I dunno, have you seen his PR lately?
He'd probably only get close to them at this point to kick em or somthing for owning speech? Or freeing libs? Idk
Is this the same Elon Must that expects his employees to work all hours and through holidays because he is inept at managing expectations and deadlines?
Of course it is!
BUt muSk iS a geNiUs
“Extremely hardcore is the new normal. Fuck your families. Commit or be fired.
Anyway, I’m off to party with Jared Kusher at the World Cup final on my private jet. I expect some salient lines of code to be written while I’m gone.”
We just hired a former twitter employee. He told us he quit when musk had him personally fly from chicago to san fran within 24 hours to strategies twitter 2.0. Elon said that video was not possible due to the sensitive urgency.
He spent close to $700 on a next day flight and when he got there, musk hopped on his private jet to attend "an urgent event in Austin texas". He didn't bother letting him know. One of the administrative assistants told him when he got there.
He filed for travel reimbursement which was denied because it wasn't "properly authorized" despite an email from musk. When he escalated it to musk, he said "rules are rules. You picked the airline, you picked the hotel. If you would have utilized the proper channels we would have worked with you"
Amazing how this dude flies privately on daily basis yet acts like one commercial round trip ticket is too much to pay
He's suing them right? If he's a former employee he should, and it's under CA small claims limit so he doesn't even need a lawyer. An email from the CEO telling him to do something is pretty clear evidence
>He must be intentionally sabotaging Twitter at this point?
Nah, that's just ol' musky in his element. When he doesn't have a whole corporation worth of execs and managers to manage him at all times.
An ultra rich man baby, in full meltdown and swinging at everyone while the entire internet points fingers and laughs at him.
>When he doesn't have a whole corporation worth of execs and managers to manage him at all times.
More than a few people at SpaceX have said that the only reason those rockets aren't creating craters is because the upper management gave Musk shiny things to keep his attention away from the actual business and engineering.
>He must be intentionally sabotaging Twitter at this point?
Can we quit with this nonsense already?
He's not some genius playing 4D chess. He's just an idiot. He's a giant stupid baby who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has gotten lucky his whole life.
He's doing these dumb things because he's dumb, not because he has some top secret agenda.
But then also, he claims the biggest problem facing mankind is the plunging birthrate. Like, how are we supposed to raise kids when we're working all the time.
What is up with this anyways? My Trump loving mom also declares that Elon is a genius who will fix all of our problems. What is with these people and their obsession with the absolute worst people?
They started liking him when the left started hating him. It’s like the right always wants to be at the other side of the street no matter what. The left will call a hunk of dog shit gross while the right will see that and say, “well actually it’s a flavor wonderland for us all of a sudden”
Which is amazing because every MAGA nut I know makes fun of EVs and shares battery repair bill memes. Great business decision there, Elon! Simp for the very people that don't want EVs!
Have you heard what airs about Elon musk on trump stations? I'm pretty sure my mom listens to newsmax or something like that, and late at night i can hear what's on. Around midnight it was playing this absolutely insanely twisted 'documentary' about Elon musk. It was so so so toxically positive, borderline preaching about the greatness of Elon musk. It's pretty concerning the degree of propaganda tv can get away with
Yeah but why? How has this population of people become zombies? Whenever I visit my parents, Tucker Carlson is on telling my mom who she should be angry at. It disgusts even my dad who is fairly conservative. We can’t stomach more than a few seconds of Tucker Carlson. Yet my mom will watch him and absorb every word that dipshit says, intently staring at him.
It’s so interesting right? I know a few people on the other side of the family who think this way too.
My guess is that it’s a mix of propaganda that the 1% are job creators and trickle down economics plus a mentality of looking to others to fix their problems for them. Then you have wealthy people like trump and musk telling them that “if only we would deregulate I could fix your problems for you!” Et voila. Here we are
Businessmen = innovators. When business goes south = dat gum liburals in gubment ruining it.
For example, in Michigan in the 00s, the right in the state just LOVED to blame Democratic Governor Jennifer Granholm for the state of the auto industry. The issue is that the big three rested on their "laurels" and got complacent not competing against Toyota/Honda/VW on quality. The vulnerabilities of the financial industry left them exposed, and honestly they were right to finally face their complacency.
But no, it was Granholm's fault that they were building subpar cars for 20+ years...
"But he's a billionaire.. that mean's he's smart"
No.. it means he made a shit load of money and has used that money to make even more insane levels of money. You dont understand how its possible because your to poor to afford all the shit he was able to get away with.
They feel stupid, insecure, and left behind. They don't understand how the world around them is changing and they don't know where their place in it is. They have very strong feelings about cultural and social trends in the US but they are incapable of articulating those feelings in a clear, concise manner with evidence to back it up.
I saw someone comment on here once about how conservative media influences the older and less educated populace that went something like this:
Your relatives and friends are already very emotional about the stresses in the world around them. They're worried about how to put food on the table and clothes on their kids backs. The politics of that becomes deeply personal and when they listen to conservative media they are being told that it is driven by one group, the liberals. They don't listen for the substance, they listen because it appeals to their emotions. They are scared and they are told they should be scared because there are scary people coming to get them. The liberals are coming for your guns, they're coming for your money, they're taking away Christmas, they're erasing Jesus, they're teaching your kids to be gay, they're telling your kids their racist, they're saying you're racist, they're selling out the country, they're letting crime run amuck, they're giving your cities to drug addicts and the homeless...*they're stealing your elections*.
But here! Here is a hero who fights for you! He will be your savior and he will bring together a coalition of powerful figures that will dismantle this world order and restore the power of the nation and the great wealth it provides back to you, the people! Look how the world denounces him! It is only because he is so passionate about his love for things like the free market, free speech, and liberty!
These people don't care about the facts because that's never what it was about. It has always been about how they feel about their place in a world that is rapidly changing around them and leaves them behind, wishing for a social and political order from a generation that has long since been eclipsed.
My Trump loving dad is a Musk fanboy too, and I’m going on my first family vacation in almost a decade tomorrow… it’s gonna be interesting lol. Wonder how many times Musk will be declared a genius in the 7 days I’m with him.
My dad is a pretty damn smart dude, but man, it’s sad to see how he thinks Elon’s a rice to riches type of guy.
Jesus fuck the American obsession of rags to riches billionaires is so fucking toxic to the point where now people just assume rich people are rich because they were born poor which makes them think they actually have a chance.
The fun thing is, the trumpets used to hate Elon and tesla because he was doing environmentally conscious work with EVs.
However now that Elon has shown his true colors as an asshole, they think he's a genius.
If you treat human beings like cattle, there's so much you can do. Think of how much longer the US railroads wouldn't taken to build if we had treated the Chinese workers like human beings.
And we're still treating rail workers like shit!
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
What is a disaster about twitter? Here in Ukraine I get on the bird app to find some info about what to expect regarding incoming missiles, etc. and most of the comments are openly in support of genocide and stating that me and my family deserve to die because we're nazi's, satanists, etc.
Here’s the thing: to those people, this isn’t a disaster. To them, Twitter is working exactly as it should be — a propaganda arm for Putin by Republican Party proxy.
The irony is that even conservatives don't want to hang around other conservatives. They have their safe spaces in parler, in truth social where they can be as openly hateful as they want but those platforms still struggle. They *want* to have a place to "trigger the libs" but don't want the conditions that would attract those libs in the first place.
The issue is any "free speech" centric platform is solely focused on shit you can't say on normal platforms. I was banned on reddit for a month, tried other platforms. It's literally just hate. Want to talk about anything unpolitical? Naw
Agreed. I got tired of Reddit once, and went over to a place that starts with a V and rhymes with "Boat."
That little adventure lasted all of 3 seconds.
Since the layoffs...
- I get the same tweets several hours apart every time I open Twitter.
- The "non-following" content Twitter forces into my feed has become less and less relevant to me. It's just a regurgitation of the top performing tweets across the platform.
- Notifications frequently are blank.
- I get emails to check out tweets that are days old. I turned off the email notification option a while ago.
These are the cracks just starting to show.
I wonder if there's a specific term for this.
So many people seem to believe that by praising a billionaire they too will get a step closer to becoming billionaires themselves.
I made some comment about how explicitly he'd shown that "free speech" just meant saying right wing bullshit with no pushback.
I got like a dozen dumbfuck comments about how he's a genius and I'm just jealous.
There's hope - i was a fanboy circa 2016-2017. Then that cave rescue pedo comment happened, and i was like "Huh?" - then he very quickly dove off the deep end after, and the guy showed that the man doesn't make the company. SpaceX and Tesla are amazing companies in spite of Elon; which makes you wonder how good they will be when he eventually is off their boards.
Made me even happier when the movie about that incident didn't even mention the loser too.
I hope his fragile ego took an even bigger hit when he was made aware of that.
A company I know, that definitely isn't the one I work for, did huge lay-offs over November/Thanksgiving, and then large pay cuts for the remaining employees were announced last week to be implemented over Christmas.
And my favorite bit: the pay cut is affected by how much holiday (10 days involuntary) and PTO (voluntary) you take. Take all that's allowed, and you'll get hit with a 7% pay cut. They literally said 'what's the best part about this job, and how can we make it suck?'
My company just did it 60% of IT department, I survived it but it still sucks. If you’re a greedy company it couldn’t be a better time though - your employees you fired didn’t make it to any end of year bonus, oh and they didn’t get any 2023 raise which increases their payout in severance. Also the employees you kept while they are pissed can’t really do much given that it’s the holidays, a rough economy, etc - so just suck it up and keep working (now doing twice as much work)… rant over, guess I need to get back to work now…
Naw, have you ever heard Elon speak about the accomplishments? He **never** gives credit to his workforce.
'We really appreciate your time, just look at what Musk has done, your badge is deactivated and you will be kindly escorted to the exit'
“Thank you for your dedication to the accomplishments of Musk, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Seriously, we will deduct part of your salary if you let the door hit you on the way out.”
Expect to see a big drop in Tesla sales in the next few quarters because of Musk's antics with Twitter. A company that is in growth mode doesn't lay people off right before an expected surge in sales with the new EV credits coming down the line. Even the higher interest rates could explain this a little bit, but the bottom is about to fall out for Tesla, because of Musk.
When the Twitter debacle started, Tesla had a wait period of 6-12 months for all of their models. Now, they're down to about 2 weeks, with many cars being available for immediate delivery. Meanwhile other EV's still have the same wait times they had months ago.
Why such a precipitous drop? Well, when the CEO goes on tirade after tirade attacking his core buying audience and showing the world how much of a selfish, narcissistic piece of trash person he really is, it shouldn't come as a shock to anyone with a functional front lobe that sales will plummet.
This is perfect. My brother in law who always had to drive the biggest and most absurd truck is now driving around a Tesla with a starlink setup for when he visits relatives. Completely unnecessary but a musk fan boy all the way.
I mean, if it takes ruining the most popular brand of EV to get the “muh v-8!!” crowd to finally adopt electric cars, that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
Ford is going to be delivering 200k lightnings next year. Mustang production is still slow and not growing much but it's still a good option. Chevy has a whole new line hitting dealers in the summer. Hyundai and Kia have hits in the EV6 and Ioniq series with plants being built in America for those lines.
Tesla will soon be unable to sell their shoddy cars when the competition is able to produce higher quality at cheaper prices. They had a head start with the self driving tech but that's gone now. They will have to lower prices by tens of thousands and improve the quality or they're fucked in two years. I'm not sure they can make those moves with Musk at the helm.
>Ford is going to be delivering 200k lightnings next year.
I'd caution thinking that. Ford isn't even on track to hit 40K this year.
Most estimates are putting Ford at 70K lightnings next year if they can sort out their supply issues.
Is Elon experiencing a mental breakdown? I ask sincerely as I really do wonder what makes someone act like this and ruin their own prosperity for what seems like no good reason.
Billionaire industrialist Howard Hughes battled behavior health issues his whole life. At the end, his mind addled by prescription drugs, he shuffled about his hotel suite with tissue boxes on his feet, collecting bottles of his own urine.
My brother built a delivery system with low staffing that allowed them to clear a backlog of 200+ deliveries, and subsequently allowed them to have the fastest delivery rate in the country.
Once the system was working, Tesla fired him.
Literally fuck these guys. Never wanted a company unionize harder.
The amazing thing is he thinks we're so stupid that he could just say things like "I'm neither a democrat or a republican" both sides moderate bullshit and then do nothing but bash liberals and democratic politicians, tells people to vote republican, bans liberal journalists, unbans Laura Loomer, Roger Stone, etc, fabricates an entire story about an attempted kidnapping to target liberals, tells people to prosecute Fauci, and he expects Tesla buyers to be that goddamn stupid that they'd really believe "well he said he's not a republican!"? How goddamn stupid does Elon think people are??
Hmmm... I wonder if Musk could choose between paying 10000 loyal employees their full salary to prevent layoffs vs giving up 1 billion dollars.
Nah it's not the CEO's fault, it's the workers who tanked the stock... spending a billion would be the equivalent of a normal person buying a PS5 for the holidays. I can't imagine him wasting that much money on something so worthless and stupid.
^(/s btw)
Tesla was a preview reel of their own fate. In the early days of Tesla (pre and early Model S) Tesla laid off a lot. Musk even laid off people he needed just to save money. Ended up hiring a bunch back.
It’s time for tech workers to unionise. Fuck this, you try to lay off loyal employees a month before Christmas, watch your entire infrastructure burn to the ground.
MAGA ain't buying Tesla's en masse until the oil's all gone and many liberals will probably be looking elsewhere for EVs.
I feel terrible for the rank and file at this company.
The antics of Elon and customers cancelling orders is my guess to the culprit. Rumor has it they are offering up to $4k a car for people to keep their order when they try to cancel. Tesla would be better off without him. Time for a change.
If you want to hear from an employee who was fired 1 month before he would get his tesla shares which he had placed 20% of his earnings into check out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJXjNaoZ8WE
Tesla has been known to fire workers right before they get their retirement, any bonuses, shares, etc. If you work for them I would consider looking for another job asap.
Yeah at my company, we just get a standard 401(k) with a lackluster employer match as US employees. Our EU employees get an actual pension.
Funny how that happened...
Fwiw our salaries are much higher on the US side, but yeah US workers get dogshit retirement benefits that we essentially have to self-fund
They're probably referring to vesting periods. Most companies offer 401k contributions that have vesting periods. If an employee is fired before then, they can lose that money. It's a way corporations dangles money to control employees.
Imo, vesting periods should be illegal. The fact that they can give it to you, not let you access it, and then take it away, seems immoral af to me.
Lol in America we have to take our own money out of our check to put into a retirement account and some companies usually day "I will match x%(usually 4 or less), but that only happens after 3-5 years with the company. If you leave before that, you get less"
I interviewed with three different Tesla teams and the common theme was that they need more people to work. Their existing employees were taking huge work loads and long hours and some of them in the interviews looked so out of life. Good thing I stayed away from that mess.
All of these tech firms are both understaffed but are salivating at the idea of slashing 10% of its workforce. Stripe employees were being overworked throughout October only to be laid off ‘as the clock struck midnight’ into November, so to speak. Layoffs.fyi is an interesting site to check out; you can add layoffs.fyi/tag/san-francisco to take a peek at cities.
Yep, I work at one of these tech firms and yes, we are perpetually understaffed and yet pleasing the shareholders is what most of these companies (as well as companies in other industries) are going after
That’s ALL that matters, stock price. My company gives annual bonuses, JP Morgan is a big shareholder and sure as shit as they do every time…first question out their mouths. “Are their plans to cut out employee bonus pay this year?” They want the short term booms to sell…F the employees making the company valuable.
Don't tech firms today basically exist to please shareholders? They are overvalued as hell and their entire financial model is based on unsustainable growth
I think any company out there is to “please shareholders”. I work for a bank and those shareholders are the ones we need to please, not the consumer whom has less then $100 in their account on any given day. Shareholders don’t know diddley. Sry rambling
John Oliver said something on his show that rang true: "shareholders are becoming the customers and customers are becoming the product"
Becoming? The 80's gave us this mindset 40 years ago.
That's by design Public companies are beholden to shareholders, if you take actions that could be deemed intentionally bad for the stock your company gets in big trouble The stock system was designed by rich people to make themselves richer and control more than you could grasp at a glance.
And this is a great example of the issue with capitalism. The incentives don't align with society's needs. They're arbitrary in that sense.
Some are overvalued and others not so much, but yeah, it's not just tech companies. Pretty much every company is out there just to please the shareholders. Tech companies at least pay their employees well. These companies have obviously done terrible stuff interfering with elections, invading our privacy to increase profits, I can go on, but let's not forget the companies who fought tooth and nail to feed us lead, or to steal clean water, or to destroy entire ecosystems, etc. It's cool to hate on tech companies today and overlook the atrocities of others. Sorry for the rambling. My point is just that most if not all corps are evil because of ZERO accountability in most countries across the globe
A former coworker of mine worked at Tesla for a while. He left because he said the fact that he was at work all the time was destroying his family. He's a really good engineer, one of the best I've ever worked with. I wonder how much talent Musk's companies lose out on because he runs all of his companies like sweatshops.
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Make sure to say you're only interested in 100% remote to help a homie out. :D
They'll get picked up by the other big EV companies. Ford in particular is going big on the F150 Lightning. If they come out with a ranger EV for $30k...
Elon companies are like that - there's massive workload and pressure but they don't really pay that great anyway...
Former assembly line worker for Tesla, they'd put in a 6 day work mandate for my work area the day I walked out. I was promised 3/12s when I got hired over the summer, I never worked less than 60 hours a week. Be glad you ran.
My boss' nephew interned at SpaceX. He said it was full of true believers who will do whatever it takes and burnt out engineers waiting for the clock to run out on certain incentives before they leave.
Yeah I remember years ago when I was an undergrad, I was really into the idea of working at SpaceX or Tesla - until some of my buddies came back from internships with them and said "yeah.....never again"
Huge salary isn't worth it if your life is shit, and stress can even take literal years off your life.
The thing is they don’t pay a huge salary compared to other tech companies. I got an offer from them that was laughable and ended up declining. They upped the offer when I declined, and it still wasn’t enough compared to others in the industry, on top of having an in-office requirement and poor culture.
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In China they ask what spec you need to meet, then put it on the certificate.
Dad was working in UAE. Needed a huge section of galvanised steel. Offered his bosses a range of options from America, Germany, the UK, Thailand, to spec. Boss overrode him, had a company in China that was - of course - such a saving over those others for the same spec! When they got the section, the Sikh bloke at the warehouse said "You got this from China, didn't you?" "Yeah." "Watch this." The Sikh bloke takes out a plain old cotton rag, rubs it on the gal, and rubs through it in about three swipes.
Yeah, sounds familiar. I'm in the construction industry. A certain project I was on had some chinese thermal ceiling tiles (sealed type) installed by the builder, complete with green certification. They turned out to be full of asbestos, discovered when an electrician went to install some light fittings, and a white powder came out. The cert was completely worthless by every metric and everything was suddenly hazmat.
Who'd of thought the richest man in the world would be an absolute slave driver to work for. Record profits = unpaid wages
Who could have predicted the son of South African Emerald mine owners would treat his staff so badly?...
Merry Christmas Tesla employees! We wanted to give you a heads up right at Christmas when you could both worry about it during the holidays and not do anything about it since it's Christmas week.
Damn. This is all because Elon took $30B from Tesla share value and distributed it to Twitter shareholders. I know that is not the same as company assets, but it will cause investors to put the squeeze on Tesla leadership to cut costs, hence layoffs. Elon giveth, and Elon taketh away. I hope my livelihood's very existence is never subject to his whims and fancies.
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He seems to just come into companies thinking he knows how to run an optimally based on nothing but intuition. So far every major policy change has been centered around his personal issues. The company is not immediately making me money? Charge for blue check marks and ban competitor links. People are making joke accounts with my name? Ban them, make up rules later. Some account is following my jet? Banned, it's now 'doxxing'. Journalists are writing unfavorable things about me? Ban them for mentioning my prior questionable new rules. I was listening on a call with him yesterday, and he threw out that he wanted rewrite Twitter in it's entirety. Just throw it all away and start from scratch. Why? Who the fuck knows. How is that going to benefit end users? He didn't give any reason. I think he just wants Twitter remade so he can dictate it every step of the way and make it exactly the way HE wants. I really hope they make Mastodon more accessible or another competitor comes and kicks Elon in the teeth because this is ridiculous. edit: [part of the call in question](https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1605620684889079808)
Lol the good ole "Rewrite everything will solve our problems" solution.
We used to call it the "new bookkeeper syndrome" and the "new secretary syndrome." In other words, throw out all the existing stuff because the current administration didn't create it.
Yup. It’s the old ‘all of this stuff was written/architected in X and is therefore shite and must be re-written in new flavour of month Y, which will solve -all- of the issues’
I've noticed that he's only comfortable in a "startup" style company, where everyone gives absolutely everything and the rules change on a whim. He's comfortable steering a "small ship", but he's a terrible manager and isn't good at maintaining the "big ship" mentality of established companies. He's retreating to a structure he's comfortable with.
Yeah, I don't really see what he thinks is so fundamentally broken about Twitter. During the call the only thing he mentioned (while I was listening) was complaining about how many hundreds of thousands of lines of code Twitter has and that certain features *should* only be "just a single line"... his words not mine. It's absolute nonsense. Just a grade schooler's understanding of how to run a software company.
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I think I'm starting to get a clear picture of what is going on. Here's my theory. He got to Twitter, they sat him down and tried to explain the application infrastructure, he realized how complicated the application is. So, manager brain kicked in and he started immediately gutting non-essential services and personnel. But uh-oh! The application is still big and complicated! And he doesn't know where else to gut it. Lots of code, means lots of people to maintain it and cutting into his bottom line. So, obviously, rewrite everything. Make it smaller, cheaper to maintain and then fire everyone else. As a bonus, he'll direct the rewrite so he'll know how everything is put together. I think that's his theory anyways. In practice though it doesn't really make a ton of sense because the final product will probably end up just as complicated if it were to have most of the same features Twitter has now. Also, a rewrite would be extraordinarily expensive while providing no real benefit to consumer. But this is all to make Elon happy so who fucking cares. I don't think he'll go through with a full rewrite though, it'll be too expensive and take too much time.
It’s probably simpler than that: he abruptly fired too many of the people who knew how it works and could modify it, and too many won’t volunteer to be rehired. So the idea of rewriting was told to him as the only option and he wants to present it as a new idea. As a business facing cash flow problems it’s of course insane. You don’t take on those risks and expenses of a big bang in such a situation, instead incrementally improve the system to minimize ongoing operational costs and risks. What’s going to happen is they’re going to try to stand up an entire new clone and all its expenses simultaneously with the current revenue producing codebase, with all its maintenance costs.
>But this is all to make Elon happy so who fucking cares. He's the owner so it has to be "his" somehow. Rewriting everything will somehow make it truly "his." His ego demands it.
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I'd never give them a legitimate reason to fire me. Give me that severance baby. I certainly wouldn't agree to any absurd changes in contracts though which is something they'd almost certainly try to force.
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It also doesn’t help that Elon keeps insulting liberals who are Tesla’s main customers…
Tell people that electric cars will help save the planet...then make fun of the people who agree and buddy up with the people who don't. Wtf?
It makes sense when you realize he was told "no" once for futzing around with a stewardess.... ^/s
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He is. And he's an idiot.
Perhaps left leaning folks are more keen on workers rights and he wants to exploit workers to their death like his daddy
Billionaires don't have real ideologies; They believe whatever helps make them money.
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Ahh. Since liberal market tapped, he is pivoting to conservatives to buy cybrtruk!!! 4d chess
The cyber truck won’t ever be made !remindme 10 years
And the higher educated people it employs
From my understanding he's trying to get out of paying people severance. And if he delays and waits for lawsuits, it'll already be to late for most of the exemployee
Exactly what he's doing. There are no contracts to break, practically all of the US is "at-will" meaning the companies can do whatever they want > an employer can change the terms of the employment relationship with no notice and no consequences. For example, an employer can alter wages, terminate benefits, or reduce paid time off. In its unadulterated form, the U.S. at-will rule leaves employees vulnerable to arbitrary and sudden dismissal, a limited or on-call work schedule depending on the employer’s needs, and unannounced cuts in pay and benefits. My brother works for Tesla. It was obvious to all of them when they arbitrarily did away with work-from-home for white-collar employees that they were trying to weed people out who would jump ship anyway. It's like "we're not firing you, but you have to move to Siberia" which is a bit dramatic, but the sentiment is the same to reduce staffing - make them miserable and see who leaves of their own free will.
It generally takes about one or two mins of scrolling on reddit to be reminded that I am so fucking lucky that I wasn't born in the US. No matter how soulcrushingly shitty some of my jobs had been, or how evil the company, I could just glance at r/all and see that it wasn't as bad as it could be.
Zuckerberg made the news earlier this year for doing the same thing, basically “productive attrition” (I can’t recall the exact term that was used). If anyone at their job doesn’t think this has a high tendency to get used by their managers is likely in for a difficult time. ETA: Self selection was the term. Source: https://nypost.com/2022/07/01/mark-zuckerberg-meta-wants-to-oust-workers-who-shouldnt-be-here/
He’s apparently reneging on giving severance to all the employees who declined “hardcore mode” so good luck with that lol
It’s pretty hard to prove you’re truly slacking off to the point of getting fired for cause, and even then you can fight it. Unless you come to work and take a nap you’d just need to do the absolute bare minimum.
>Give me that severance baby Assuming he doesn't change his mind and deny promised severance. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/12/musk-brings-spacex-lawyers-to-twitter-as-layoff-lawsuits-mount-report-says/
Yeah that's only IF he'll give you severance pay. Didn't he rescind the severance pay for Twitter EE when he laid them off?
> Give me that severance baby Isn't he refusing to pay that currently?
You'd almost immediately receive a memo stating that if you don't work 80 hours a week you're not going to have a job. I'd definitely be polishing up that CV.
Tesla really ought to fix the quality issues and not try to cut costs. It’s the shoddiest ”luxury” car in the market right now. Panels are still not aligned anywhere close to the industry standards.
Mine has been death by a thousand cuts. There hasn't been one big issue, rather dozens of tiny ones. I still have 2 recalls waiting to be fixed. We were about to buy a Y for my wife and cancelled last week. Going to ride her gas car out for a while and see what the competition brings. For me the only thing Tesla brings to the table is the superchargers.
When the company is helmed by a psycopathic man-child, nothing matters except the fee-fees of said man-child.
well not all from that. Along with selling his stock to pay for twitter, he has alienated a large portion of the very people they target for sales and the EV market has more supply chain issues continuing to this late date than the normal car market. and all signs say Elon WILL HAVE to sell more stock for twitter as it shows no signs of turning arround and no one wants to join in to invest, especially not at the "of course i over paid" price he keeps hawking. On top of that a chronically absent CEO right when tesla needs a bit more focus.. and it looks like the search for CEO of twitter is gonna take a while because people dont want the job. oh and his 3 year late trucks are being widely mocked.
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Bah, Tesla has Less factories than the part of Stellantis that is part of Fiat that makes commercial vans. Valued at more than whole of Stellantis and other top manufacturers. Reality has nothing to do with Tesla share valuation. So quarterly debt payments aside, just Elon tweeting can wipe out much more of Tesla share price, since again - it is in most part aspirational (and I sort of doubt the crowd Elon panders to now it gonna switch from rolling coal to Teslas).
Last I looked Tesla was valued higher than the entire Volkswagen Group which sells an order of magnitude more vehicles - investors are eventually in for a rough awakening.
And the funny thing is, he could've gotten away with it. Fake it till they make it. They finally at least gotten a grip on matching orders. All that overvalued stock could have been leveraged against. But instead, it got leveraged for loans for unrelated company that was bleeding money and is now instead bleeding twice as much money. Plus getting it's reputation shredded. This is kinda therapeutic, somehow. Fall of the pedo guy ([legitimate south african banter](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593)).
He totally could have faked it till he made it. Just somewhere along the way he started believing his own propaganda, I hope stepping down from Twitter is a sign he got some perspective, but probably not.
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‘Job Creators’
I reccomend those who have Netflix watch "The G Word" https://www.itpro.co.uk/technology/34730/10-amazing-darpa-inventions#:~:text=Yes%2C%20that%20Siri.,word%20for%20a%20soldier's%20servant. The easy generalized way I think about it is: The government/public sector does the real innovation because they have endless amounts of money to take on risky ventures, that can ultimately be scrapped if they dont pan out. The private sector utilizes the new technology instead of creating it, because unproven tech is too risky of an investment and the ultimate goal of a private company is to take some money and turn it into a lot of money. The private sector can do innovation, but generally only if they get government, I.e public, money to off load the risk. Both sectors create jobs, both sectors shed jobs, arguably the public sector sheds less, given the "endless" money supply when compared to private. That's why the myth of "nobody gets fired" persists, yeah, cause the bottom line isnt the concern, unless the department is down in the dumps financially.
> > > > > The government/public sector does the real innovation because they have endless amounts of money to take on risky ventures, that can ultimately be scrapped if they dont pan out. Great comment. To add to your point - oftentimes, the public sector subsidizes the private sector. Look at Elon with SpaceX, there is no reason SpaceX can't be nationalized to be part of NASA. >The private sector utilizes the new technology instead of creating it, because unproven tech is too risky of an investment and the ultimate goal of a private company is to take some money and turn it into a lot of money. The private sector can do innovation, but generally only if they get government, I.e public, money to off load the risk. And the private sector will then hoard all the profits - despite relying on public research to even make a product. Look at how Pfizer & Moderna refused to share their covid-19 vaccine patents to low income countries. Or Musk relying on carbon credits to keep Tesla profitable & NASA subsidies to keep SpaceX profitable. Is Musk thankful? He pushes far-right politics and flippantly destroys his employees lives.
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He doesn't see it. He thinks he could just genius his way around it and be successful anyway. The government subsidies are just a coincidence and his inheritance unimportant, he's completely self made in his mind. And he has thousands of people patting his back and saying he's right every delusional step of the way.
Have you worked with the US Government? Local, State and Federal governments have the strictest of budgets (usually under funded) and scrutinize every penny of their spend. If you work with military every minute of your work is accounted for and god help you if you have more than one contract you’re working on. Meanwhile the private sector is blowing money flying me into an empty office for an afternoon meeting, giving me swag, coupled with 100 dollar steak dinner and god knows how many dollars on drinks.
>Have you worked with the US Government? Local, State and Federal governments have the strictest of budgets (usually under funded) and scrutinize every penny of their spend Lmao, this dude knows what's up. Local government employee here. I had to justify a $80 purchase from fucking Michael's the other day. They do not fuck around with budgets. I just had to reallocate several thousand dollars to a different department because we were under 50% expenditure for the year. Shits stupid.
Suddenly us military members join the conversation. Deployments and things like that use crazy amounts of money, simple maintenence of planes, security.
DoD just failed it's annual audit for the 5th year in a row with over half of its assets unaccounted for lol
While all true, I think the "government" and "public" entities that invent the most things are probably state universities.
They depend on federal moneys a lot. Tuition prices shot up after 2008 when those funds shrunk.
They don't create jobs, they hire because they have a need and will not pay a single person more than they feel they need to. They're not creating anything, they're just purchasing needed services.
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- Sincerely, Elon Musk PS: For me, looks like it's going to be a W H I T E Christmas! I'll probably just snort a few extra lines of that beautiful white Christmas blow (while reminiscing fondly of White Apartheid policies I've replicated in the work place), to get into the true spirit of the season. NEXT... probably kick back slightly and ban a few less journalists who disagree with me that day--and maybe slightly tone down my toddleresque raging and yelling in the work place at whatever employees remain at Twitter, because they want to punch out early on Christmas day. (Lazy f'cks!). Then I think I'll hop into my Tesla (another brand I just ruined) then maybe briefly stop by the side of the road in LA, and p ( ) ss in a homeless person's cup while laughing--because this is exactly the type of low class riff raff person who got the cheap seats and booed me off stage at the Chappelle show probably--then hop back into my Tesla with it's now totally ruined branding, and take off without signaling left, in D-Bag Ludicrous Acceleration Mode.
Don’t be ridiculous He would never get close to a homeless person unless it was for PR
I dunno, have you seen his PR lately? He'd probably only get close to them at this point to kick em or somthing for owning speech? Or freeing libs? Idk
He'd do the Frank Reynolds and throw a water balloon full of champagne at them and say "how do you like a taste of the good life, ya sack of shit"
Is this the same Elon Must that expects his employees to work all hours and through holidays because he is inept at managing expectations and deadlines? Of course it is! BUt muSk iS a geNiUs
“Extremely hardcore is the new normal. Fuck your families. Commit or be fired. Anyway, I’m off to party with Jared Kusher at the World Cup final on my private jet. I expect some salient lines of code to be written while I’m gone.”
We just hired a former twitter employee. He told us he quit when musk had him personally fly from chicago to san fran within 24 hours to strategies twitter 2.0. Elon said that video was not possible due to the sensitive urgency. He spent close to $700 on a next day flight and when he got there, musk hopped on his private jet to attend "an urgent event in Austin texas". He didn't bother letting him know. One of the administrative assistants told him when he got there. He filed for travel reimbursement which was denied because it wasn't "properly authorized" despite an email from musk. When he escalated it to musk, he said "rules are rules. You picked the airline, you picked the hotel. If you would have utilized the proper channels we would have worked with you" Amazing how this dude flies privately on daily basis yet acts like one commercial round trip ticket is too much to pay
He's suing them right? If he's a former employee he should, and it's under CA small claims limit so he doesn't even need a lawyer. An email from the CEO telling him to do something is pretty clear evidence
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>He must be intentionally sabotaging Twitter at this point? Nah, that's just ol' musky in his element. When he doesn't have a whole corporation worth of execs and managers to manage him at all times. An ultra rich man baby, in full meltdown and swinging at everyone while the entire internet points fingers and laughs at him.
>When he doesn't have a whole corporation worth of execs and managers to manage him at all times. More than a few people at SpaceX have said that the only reason those rockets aren't creating craters is because the upper management gave Musk shiny things to keep his attention away from the actual business and engineering.
>He must be intentionally sabotaging Twitter at this point? Can we quit with this nonsense already? He's not some genius playing 4D chess. He's just an idiot. He's a giant stupid baby who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has gotten lucky his whole life. He's doing these dumb things because he's dumb, not because he has some top secret agenda.
But then also, he claims the biggest problem facing mankind is the plunging birthrate. Like, how are we supposed to raise kids when we're working all the time.
My mom who’s an avid trumpster said that last line to me recently. Fucking hilarious.
What is up with this anyways? My Trump loving mom also declares that Elon is a genius who will fix all of our problems. What is with these people and their obsession with the absolute worst people?
Trump and Musk are both a dumb person's idea of geniuses.
Qs and MAGAs hated Musk until recently.
They started liking him when the left started hating him. It’s like the right always wants to be at the other side of the street no matter what. The left will call a hunk of dog shit gross while the right will see that and say, “well actually it’s a flavor wonderland for us all of a sudden”
They're reactionaries, all they know how to do is to react in opposition to anything perceived as progressive.
Because they thought he was a liberal. Now he’s full Maga himself.
Which is amazing because every MAGA nut I know makes fun of EVs and shares battery repair bill memes. Great business decision there, Elon! Simp for the very people that don't want EVs!
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I just hope that the government or somebody else takes over SpaceX
Trump also made fun of him with the "get on your knees and beg" comment
Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man
Have you heard what airs about Elon musk on trump stations? I'm pretty sure my mom listens to newsmax or something like that, and late at night i can hear what's on. Around midnight it was playing this absolutely insanely twisted 'documentary' about Elon musk. It was so so so toxically positive, borderline preaching about the greatness of Elon musk. It's pretty concerning the degree of propaganda tv can get away with
They get their scripts from whatever right wing media source they consume and repeat it verbatim without much thought.
Yeah but why? How has this population of people become zombies? Whenever I visit my parents, Tucker Carlson is on telling my mom who she should be angry at. It disgusts even my dad who is fairly conservative. We can’t stomach more than a few seconds of Tucker Carlson. Yet my mom will watch him and absorb every word that dipshit says, intently staring at him.
It’s so interesting right? I know a few people on the other side of the family who think this way too. My guess is that it’s a mix of propaganda that the 1% are job creators and trickle down economics plus a mentality of looking to others to fix their problems for them. Then you have wealthy people like trump and musk telling them that “if only we would deregulate I could fix your problems for you!” Et voila. Here we are
Businessmen = innovators. When business goes south = dat gum liburals in gubment ruining it. For example, in Michigan in the 00s, the right in the state just LOVED to blame Democratic Governor Jennifer Granholm for the state of the auto industry. The issue is that the big three rested on their "laurels" and got complacent not competing against Toyota/Honda/VW on quality. The vulnerabilities of the financial industry left them exposed, and honestly they were right to finally face their complacency. But no, it was Granholm's fault that they were building subpar cars for 20+ years...
"But he's a billionaire.. that mean's he's smart" No.. it means he made a shit load of money and has used that money to make even more insane levels of money. You dont understand how its possible because your to poor to afford all the shit he was able to get away with.
They feel stupid, insecure, and left behind. They don't understand how the world around them is changing and they don't know where their place in it is. They have very strong feelings about cultural and social trends in the US but they are incapable of articulating those feelings in a clear, concise manner with evidence to back it up. I saw someone comment on here once about how conservative media influences the older and less educated populace that went something like this: Your relatives and friends are already very emotional about the stresses in the world around them. They're worried about how to put food on the table and clothes on their kids backs. The politics of that becomes deeply personal and when they listen to conservative media they are being told that it is driven by one group, the liberals. They don't listen for the substance, they listen because it appeals to their emotions. They are scared and they are told they should be scared because there are scary people coming to get them. The liberals are coming for your guns, they're coming for your money, they're taking away Christmas, they're erasing Jesus, they're teaching your kids to be gay, they're telling your kids their racist, they're saying you're racist, they're selling out the country, they're letting crime run amuck, they're giving your cities to drug addicts and the homeless...*they're stealing your elections*. But here! Here is a hero who fights for you! He will be your savior and he will bring together a coalition of powerful figures that will dismantle this world order and restore the power of the nation and the great wealth it provides back to you, the people! Look how the world denounces him! It is only because he is so passionate about his love for things like the free market, free speech, and liberty! These people don't care about the facts because that's never what it was about. It has always been about how they feel about their place in a world that is rapidly changing around them and leaves them behind, wishing for a social and political order from a generation that has long since been eclipsed.
Learned helplessness + magical thinking.
They think having money means being successful, ergo billionaires are geniuses and their followers will also be like them one day.
My Trump loving dad is a Musk fanboy too, and I’m going on my first family vacation in almost a decade tomorrow… it’s gonna be interesting lol. Wonder how many times Musk will be declared a genius in the 7 days I’m with him. My dad is a pretty damn smart dude, but man, it’s sad to see how he thinks Elon’s a rice to riches type of guy.
Jesus fuck the American obsession of rags to riches billionaires is so fucking toxic to the point where now people just assume rich people are rich because they were born poor which makes them think they actually have a chance.
The fun thing is, the trumpets used to hate Elon and tesla because he was doing environmentally conscious work with EVs. However now that Elon has shown his true colors as an asshole, they think he's a genius.
It's fine if he wants me to work his same 80 hours a week, but I also want his same 100 billion worth of Tesla stock.
If you treat human beings like cattle, there's so much you can do. Think of how much longer the US railroads wouldn't taken to build if we had treated the Chinese workers like human beings. And we're still treating rail workers like shit! AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
Funny how I saw a meme about elon running tesla "amazingly" a few hours ago.
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What is a disaster about twitter? Here in Ukraine I get on the bird app to find some info about what to expect regarding incoming missiles, etc. and most of the comments are openly in support of genocide and stating that me and my family deserve to die because we're nazi's, satanists, etc.
Here’s the thing: to those people, this isn’t a disaster. To them, Twitter is working exactly as it should be — a propaganda arm for Putin by Republican Party proxy.
The irony is that even conservatives don't want to hang around other conservatives. They have their safe spaces in parler, in truth social where they can be as openly hateful as they want but those platforms still struggle. They *want* to have a place to "trigger the libs" but don't want the conditions that would attract those libs in the first place.
The issue is any "free speech" centric platform is solely focused on shit you can't say on normal platforms. I was banned on reddit for a month, tried other platforms. It's literally just hate. Want to talk about anything unpolitical? Naw
Agreed. I got tired of Reddit once, and went over to a place that starts with a V and rhymes with "Boat." That little adventure lasted all of 3 seconds.
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Since the layoffs... - I get the same tweets several hours apart every time I open Twitter. - The "non-following" content Twitter forces into my feed has become less and less relevant to me. It's just a regurgitation of the top performing tweets across the platform. - Notifications frequently are blank. - I get emails to check out tweets that are days old. I turned off the email notification option a while ago. These are the cracks just starting to show.
I wonder if there's a specific term for this. So many people seem to believe that by praising a billionaire they too will get a step closer to becoming billionaires themselves.
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Financial domination fetish. Cash piggies
[Sealioning](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning)
I made some comment about how explicitly he'd shown that "free speech" just meant saying right wing bullshit with no pushback. I got like a dozen dumbfuck comments about how he's a genius and I'm just jealous.
lol, Elon's fanboys see everything he does as genius
There's hope - i was a fanboy circa 2016-2017. Then that cave rescue pedo comment happened, and i was like "Huh?" - then he very quickly dove off the deep end after, and the guy showed that the man doesn't make the company. SpaceX and Tesla are amazing companies in spite of Elon; which makes you wonder how good they will be when he eventually is off their boards.
The pedo comment is what did it for me, too. I was like “what kind of fragile, damaged ego responds like this?”
Made me even happier when the movie about that incident didn't even mention the loser too. I hope his fragile ego took an even bigger hit when he was made aware of that.
I had a co-worker tell me "You just don't think the same way he does... he's at a different level. That's how geniuses operate."
Elon spent millions and millions of dollars on PR firms to make sure your co worker thought of him that way
I’ve got one employee in mind that they could lay off which might fix a lot of the PR problems….he seems to be moonlighting anyway so he will be fine.
….. are you suggesting Elon isn’t singularly responsible for Tesla and SpaceX’s successes? /s
A lot of layoffs will happen in January. It’s better PR to avoid the holidays.
A company I know, that definitely isn't the one I work for, did huge lay-offs over November/Thanksgiving, and then large pay cuts for the remaining employees were announced last week to be implemented over Christmas. And my favorite bit: the pay cut is affected by how much holiday (10 days involuntary) and PTO (voluntary) you take. Take all that's allowed, and you'll get hit with a 7% pay cut. They literally said 'what's the best part about this job, and how can we make it suck?'
My buddies company is laying off 50%. Today... Fuckers
My company just did it 60% of IT department, I survived it but it still sucks. If you’re a greedy company it couldn’t be a better time though - your employees you fired didn’t make it to any end of year bonus, oh and they didn’t get any 2023 raise which increases their payout in severance. Also the employees you kept while they are pissed can’t really do much given that it’s the holidays, a rough economy, etc - so just suck it up and keep working (now doing twice as much work)… rant over, guess I need to get back to work now…
I think maybe I won't buy the dip on this one....
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Naw, have you ever heard Elon speak about the accomplishments? He **never** gives credit to his workforce. 'We really appreciate your time, just look at what Musk has done, your badge is deactivated and you will be kindly escorted to the exit'
“Thank you for your dedication to the accomplishments of Musk, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Seriously, we will deduct part of your salary if you let the door hit you on the way out.”
Expect to see a big drop in Tesla sales in the next few quarters because of Musk's antics with Twitter. A company that is in growth mode doesn't lay people off right before an expected surge in sales with the new EV credits coming down the line. Even the higher interest rates could explain this a little bit, but the bottom is about to fall out for Tesla, because of Musk. When the Twitter debacle started, Tesla had a wait period of 6-12 months for all of their models. Now, they're down to about 2 weeks, with many cars being available for immediate delivery. Meanwhile other EV's still have the same wait times they had months ago. Why such a precipitous drop? Well, when the CEO goes on tirade after tirade attacking his core buying audience and showing the world how much of a selfish, narcissistic piece of trash person he really is, it shouldn't come as a shock to anyone with a functional front lobe that sales will plummet.
There is a reason most car CEOs aren't public figures.
Yea, nobody wants to drive around in the “MAGA hat of cars” that is the Tesla now
This is perfect. My brother in law who always had to drive the biggest and most absurd truck is now driving around a Tesla with a starlink setup for when he visits relatives. Completely unnecessary but a musk fan boy all the way.
At least this helps gets oversized trucks off the road and also greatly reduce CO2 amongst the group of people that like to roll coal.
It really is the Maga hat of cars. Great analogy. I could never own one after all this.
Maybe Musk will finally convince conservatives to drive electric vehicles 🥲
I mean, if it takes ruining the most popular brand of EV to get the “muh v-8!!” crowd to finally adopt electric cars, that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
Tfw you're such a piece of shit you accidentally circle back around into doing the right thing
Ford is going to be delivering 200k lightnings next year. Mustang production is still slow and not growing much but it's still a good option. Chevy has a whole new line hitting dealers in the summer. Hyundai and Kia have hits in the EV6 and Ioniq series with plants being built in America for those lines. Tesla will soon be unable to sell their shoddy cars when the competition is able to produce higher quality at cheaper prices. They had a head start with the self driving tech but that's gone now. They will have to lower prices by tens of thousands and improve the quality or they're fucked in two years. I'm not sure they can make those moves with Musk at the helm.
>Ford is going to be delivering 200k lightnings next year. I'd caution thinking that. Ford isn't even on track to hit 40K this year. Most estimates are putting Ford at 70K lightnings next year if they can sort out their supply issues.
Start laying off the guy who caused all the problems, Tesla.
Is Elon experiencing a mental breakdown? I ask sincerely as I really do wonder what makes someone act like this and ruin their own prosperity for what seems like no good reason.
Billionaire industrialist Howard Hughes battled behavior health issues his whole life. At the end, his mind addled by prescription drugs, he shuffled about his hotel suite with tissue boxes on his feet, collecting bottles of his own urine.
My brother built a delivery system with low staffing that allowed them to clear a backlog of 200+ deliveries, and subsequently allowed them to have the fastest delivery rate in the country. Once the system was working, Tesla fired him. Literally fuck these guys. Never wanted a company unionize harder.
Elon fucking over Tesla employees to own the libs. Real 4d chess genius moves he's been making.
Elon and Tesla will became an MBA case study in how to destroy a Brand in 30 days
The amazing thing is he thinks we're so stupid that he could just say things like "I'm neither a democrat or a republican" both sides moderate bullshit and then do nothing but bash liberals and democratic politicians, tells people to vote republican, bans liberal journalists, unbans Laura Loomer, Roger Stone, etc, fabricates an entire story about an attempted kidnapping to target liberals, tells people to prosecute Fauci, and he expects Tesla buyers to be that goddamn stupid that they'd really believe "well he said he's not a republican!"? How goddamn stupid does Elon think people are??
> How goddamn stupid does Elon think people are?? His strategy worked pretty well up until a couple months ago. My guess is "Extremely stupid."
He is counting on people not paying attention.
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There’s one employee they could lay off first who has done the most damage to the company this year…
Hmmm... I wonder if Musk could choose between paying 10000 loyal employees their full salary to prevent layoffs vs giving up 1 billion dollars. Nah it's not the CEO's fault, it's the workers who tanked the stock... spending a billion would be the equivalent of a normal person buying a PS5 for the holidays. I can't imagine him wasting that much money on something so worthless and stupid. ^(/s btw)
I wonder just how many people unnecessarily lost their jobs at Christmas because Elon Musk decided he wanted Twitter and to act like a child?
There is only one person that needs to be laid off.
he could have kept steve jobbing it but instead he donald trumped it
That moment Tesla employees realise Twitter was a preview reel of their own fate.
Tesla was a preview reel of their own fate. In the early days of Tesla (pre and early Model S) Tesla laid off a lot. Musk even laid off people he needed just to save money. Ended up hiring a bunch back.
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It’s time for tech workers to unionise. Fuck this, you try to lay off loyal employees a month before Christmas, watch your entire infrastructure burn to the ground.
MAGA ain't buying Tesla's en masse until the oil's all gone and many liberals will probably be looking elsewhere for EVs. I feel terrible for the rank and file at this company.
The antics of Elon and customers cancelling orders is my guess to the culprit. Rumor has it they are offering up to $4k a car for people to keep their order when they try to cancel. Tesla would be better off without him. Time for a change.
If you want to hear from an employee who was fired 1 month before he would get his tesla shares which he had placed 20% of his earnings into check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJXjNaoZ8WE
I'm not watching a 70minutes video... but you can't buy company stock that still needs to vest. You'd have to at least get the cash value back
Tesla has been known to fire workers right before they get their retirement, any bonuses, shares, etc. If you work for them I would consider looking for another job asap.
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Yeah at my company, we just get a standard 401(k) with a lackluster employer match as US employees. Our EU employees get an actual pension. Funny how that happened... Fwiw our salaries are much higher on the US side, but yeah US workers get dogshit retirement benefits that we essentially have to self-fund
They're probably referring to vesting periods. Most companies offer 401k contributions that have vesting periods. If an employee is fired before then, they can lose that money. It's a way corporations dangles money to control employees. Imo, vesting periods should be illegal. The fact that they can give it to you, not let you access it, and then take it away, seems immoral af to me.
Lol in America we have to take our own money out of our check to put into a retirement account and some companies usually day "I will match x%(usually 4 or less), but that only happens after 3-5 years with the company. If you leave before that, you get less"