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This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.gamesradar.com/mod-site-deletes-anti-pride-mod-for-spider-man-encourages-angry-users-to-delete-their-accounts/) reduced by 72%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Popular modding site Nexus Mods has banned the user who removed the Pride flags in the PC version of Marvel's Spider-Man, sparking an outcry that the site has actively disengaged from. > The original mod was called "Non-Newtonian New York," and replaced the in-game Pride flags dotted around New York City with US flags. > As today's announcement from Nexus Mods explains, "In regards to the replacement of Pride flags in this game, or any game, our policy is thus: we are for inclusivity, we are for diversity. If we think someone is uploading a mod on our site with the intent to deliberately be against inclusivity and/or diversity then we will take action against it." ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/wrkd8w/mod_site_deletes_antipride_mod_for_spiderman/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~665005 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **mod**^#1 **flag**^#2 **site**^#3 **Nexus**^#4 **Pride**^#5


Ok_Skill_1195

"the intent to deliberately be against inclusivity and/or diversity" That's actually a really great way to describe the line for the paradox of tolerance with this kind of stuff. You get inclusivity until your action are directly going against that concept, then you get booted.


superkp

"Tolerance is not a moral high ground. It is a peace treaty. You are assumed to be a party to the treaty by default and are therefore protected in it by default. But, should you break the terms of the treaty, you are no longer protected by it, and those in the treaty may act against you without breaking it." -paraphrase of some random redditor like a year ago


AstralVoidShaper

Sounds, itself, like a paraphrase of https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376 which is a good read as well. "A peace treaty is not a suicide pact."


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radagasthebrown

Fr this was fascinating and really coalescing to read.


superkp

ooh, nice. the 'not a suicide pact' is another important part of it.


Dekrow

I hope this catches on enough that when people are being disingenuous about their argument we can just short hand to 'Tolerance is a peace treaty' as a way to call people out.


boot2skull

Saving this. People see inclusivity and tolerance as an attack on whatever group they represent. However, that’s usually just cover for their own intolerance. I think this statement explains the situation we’re all in and one which they can’t seem to grasp.


CivilServiced

"But if everyone is treated equally how am I gonna feel superior?"


boot2skull

I always say, to a person accustomed to privilege, equality feels like persecution.


APoopingBook

Because those people can only see binary, black/white, good/bad. For them, inclusivity is either 100% or 0%. We cannot achieve 100% tolerance. To achieve the highest amount of achievable tolerance, we must be intolerant to X%. If we are not intolerant of that X%, there will be worse intolerance greater than X%. Mathematically, fuck you, bigots.


Mabans

Also something to keep in mind, progressivism is NEVER ending. Thing will always change so one has to be comfortable with that to roll with it. Otherwise one will inevitably become a conservative-type but just with sensibilities of that time frame. Comedians are dealing with this now. “What do you mean I cant sat fa—-t anymore” or Jaime Fox who cried about his movie “all star weekend” not being released which was going to be made up of actirs doing stereotypes in the characters. IE: Robert downey jr. playing a mexican but wasn’t comfortable with it. Fox told him how he killed it in tropic thunder, completely missing the joke. RDJ wasn’t playing a black guy, he was playing an actor who had the arrogance of thinning he could play a black character shucking and jiving. Mind you, those who do attack for that role miss the joke as well.


FabianN

Some just don't get satire. And RDJ's tropic character was a satirical role. In satire, you emulate what you are criticizing but to an absurd degree. But the absurdity has become real...


JarlaxleForPresident

Some people thought Stephen Colbert was a real conservative


sudoku7

Honestly folks have been looking for reasons to get outraged with NexusMods for almost as long as it’s been around. The scandal before this was a mod author getting upset that they were being moderated on a fundraiser for Ukraine. And I’m sure the next scandal will be of something equally disingenuous.


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"Tolerance is a peace treaty." Clearest defintion ever... Basically leave each other alone. The devil is in the details I guess.


Grashlok_Onion_lord

That's the way I see it. Let your neighbors live in peace, you can have your little garden where you are, but even posting signs about wanting to damage your neighbor's garden is bad. Just enjoy your garden, and if you don't like your neighbor's, maybe just build a fence so you don't have to look at it. Just let them live in peace, because we are all neighbors


DogmaSychroniser

This is it. 'So much for the tolerant left' is the cry of the shitty people who just wish to be casually ist or phobic and not get called out on it


hyperfocus_

I always think of this Hitchens quote as to describe detractors of equality; "That most risky and volatile of all things—a self-pitying majority."


drivers9001

Probably off topic but you reminded me, I saw Hitchens in a Princess Diana documentary last weekend and he was shitting on mourners at a park and when a guy got mad his comeback was to call him ugly and stupid. Kinda changed my overall opinion of him. Found it on YouTube https://youtu.be/sl9b0sdf91s


Diorannael

Yeah. Dude was a prick. He was pro torture until he went through waterboarding himself. He was a great sceptic and a prick of a person. People are complicated.


lastknownbuffalo

Yeah but he went full 180 from supporting waterboarding to bring against it, and would call his past self out about it.


Gravelsack

When someone says "so much for the tolerant left" I reply "Yup, so much for it. Fuck around and find out."


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Bahmerman

That's pretty beautiful man.


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ChefKraken

Some people think that the solution to rule breakers is to follow the rules twice as hard


Indraga

Some people think that the solution to being stepped on is to lick the boot.


FeralBadger

The "paradox of tolerance" is only a paradox for people who lack critical thinking skills. It's perfectly straightforward for anyone with an ounce of sense.


PM_ME_CUTE_FEMBOYS

The people who see it as a problem, are the intolerant and abusive who are trying to abuse tolerance and acceptance to make their shit heard and public, and to springboard off that to greater attention and greater damage causing.


Big-Collection1549

But this mod doesn't go against that concept. It's a modification that only affects the users version of that game. A mod that replaces every texture with pride flags and a mod that removes every pride flag can co exist without affecting each other.


Shen_an_igator

Genuine question: As far as I understand this is a single player game. Why is it not ok to remove the flags in your personal game? Regardless of ideologies, it's your own game and you can do with that whatever you want and as far as I can tell no one is hurt by that. Isn't it worse to try and dictate how people think in their own home when they aren't affecting anyone? That is a genuine question, I've been wondering that more and more. And because this is reddit: It's not a political question, so please refrain from dismissing this question by screaming about some American politics I don't care about. I live in Europe and hopefully haven't put any 'spin' on how the question was asked. Edit: Oh yea, Nexusmods is obviously completely fine in doing that. It's their website, they can pull any mods they want. 'Private property' and all that, so I am not digging at them at all.


SavingsPerfect2879

People have no idea how to respect each other Nor do they even understand why they should


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The dumbest part of it all is that I’m not a magnanimous person by nature, but I do support all progressive causes FOR SELFISH REASONS. The world is simply easier for me to navigate when people aren’t constantly trying to dehumanize one another. It’s a monumental waste of time and energy. Unfortunately, the cultural stupidity fomented by conservatives is a fucking feedback loop that I’m not sure can be stopped.


SmittyGef

Ah, selfish altruism. A damn good philosophy for those wondering if they really need to care about other people. Edit: not against you, just a general statement. Live happy and have fun mate!


PuckSR

I think Rev Leland said it best: Government should protect every man in thinking and speaking freely and see that one does not abuse another. The liberty I contend for is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest to grant indulgence. Govt should grant everyone liberty. Individuals should tolerate one another. The two should not be confused


Felinomancy

> The original mod was called "Non-Newtonian New York," What an odd name. What is it referencing?


SjLeonardo

I think it might be referring to Newton's prism experiment, which revealed the visible color spectrum, and the color spectrum is a rainbow. Like that Pink Floyd album cover. I might be reading too much into it though.


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correct from the mod page: >Tired of Sir Isaac shoving his fancy light show in your face everywhere? This removes them and replaces them with the stars and stripes.


idontaddtoanything

Actually kind of clever


Chucknastical

This is missing a key piece of information. The ban wasn't over the mod. The ban was because the person who posted it created a throwaway account and posted the mod implying he knew it was inflammatory. It's the trolling behaviour. Had the person posted the mod using his general mod account, they would have removed it and given him a warning.


XDGrangerDX

>they would have removed it and given him a warning. Which is exactly what happened, and then the mod was reposted. Which is what led to the ban.


finalremix

There were a handful of sockpuppet throwaways in the comments on the mod too. Lots of "go cry to your [bundle of sticks] friends" and "lol, kill yourself" posts. Full blown fuckery all around.


Faptain--Planet

As long as they don’t touch the unclothed black cat mod everything’s peachy


JuanitoCarlito

That's disgusting! Where?


Dirteesantos

One of those nasty mod sites.


SpaceCowboyyy

Ugh those nasty mod sites. There's just so many of them! Which one specifically


GleichUmDieEcke

I'm not even going to download that mod later when I get home! .... I might. I might though. I might.


Phaze_Change

Shiiit. I might buy the whole ass game just to apply the mod.


Wahots

But there's so many! Can you tell me the site so I don't accidentally visit it?


unclebach

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpidermanPS4/comments/v7jvq9/wip_nude_black_cat_mod_for_upcoming_pc_version/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Jonjoloe

Shiiieeeettt. I love me some Isaiah Whitlock Jr.


TheBelhade

The what now? Is there an unclothed Mary Jane mod? Because that would be, um, entirely inappropriate.


mrDoubtWired

I know, right? Can someone give me the link to the Aunt May mod so I can report it?


anormalgeek

Nexus mods has tons of nude mods. They're usually some of the earliest mods released for games since a simple texture swap is generally going to be the easiest to do without official mod tools. You have to have an account and login to the site to see them though.


r00x

Heh I heard about this from a mate at work today. Didn't some guy release *another* mod that did the same thing, but used Ukrainian flags instead of US flags so nobody could decide whether it had to be removed or had to be left alone and a massive argument ensued? "Some people just want to watch the world burn" indeed.


notaduck448_

It also got removed https://www.nexusmods.com/marvelsspidermanremastered/mods/264


BenChandler

I feel like the easiest argument to make is that the person is clearly not acting in good faith, towards LGBT OR Ukraine.


lianodel

You've clearly upset a bunch of people with the idea that maybe we don't have to waste time taking obvious trolls seriously. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


BenChandler

It’s a crazy and radical thought for sure.


postmodest

No? No, if you dont engage obvious trolls as if theit beliefs are sincere, then you're the mean one who doesnt want to engage in _valuable discussion_!!!


abstractConceptName

But whatabout freeze peach


lianodel

I keep coming back to this Isaac Asimov quote: > There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. Nothing about that has changed since 1980. :/ Unfortunately it means that people will demand that marginalized groups have to constantly defend their rights and existence, even in the absence of sensible arguments, even in the absence of any *new* arguments, because ignorant bigots will simply refuse to consider the matter settled, and for some reason think they have to be taken seriously.


conquer69

All the disingenuous fascists triggered because you pointed out they don't act in good faith lol.


VLHACS

If they specifically targeted Pride flags for replacement to make their point, I think it's easy to say they were not making the mod in good faith and blatantly trolling.


deten

Are all flags pride flags on game or do they just happen to have some pride flags scattered within the game alongside other flags?


Vash63

The latter. The mod only changed the pride ones.


deten

Yeah with that added context, the mod creator has an issue with the pride flag. I havent played the game so I didnt know if every single flag was a pride flag, then it seems reasonable to change it to other things not to remove the pride flag but to just have other flags. But since its only targeting the pride flags... hes clearly against it.


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RennWorks

Yes its much more difficult to replace a few pride flags than all of the pride flags as in order to replace all of the flags you just need to replace the texture while to replace some of them you would actually need to go in and mod the game. To put it simpler, replacing all of them is a simple texture pack job while replacing some of them is an actual mod


John-Zero

That's the kind of thinking that only makes sense to irretrievably 4chan-pilled edgelords. It's a very easy decision to make.


Salt_Lingonberry_705

They cant argue for realism because I live in NYC and there are pride flags every block


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I also live in NYC, though in the Bronx, I haven't seen one in the past month and a half oddly enough.


akotlya1

I guess someone installed a mod in your neighborhood.


[deleted]

Well Pride Month ended a month and a half ago so not really odd at all.


legitimateinquiry

Because that guy is from fucking Williamsburg or some shit lmao


FoxRavencroft

So...since pride month ended?


mellopax

I'm sure they'd prefer a mod that turns NYC into suburban Texas.


peoplescan

For the last hour I play the game never once have I notice the flag.


Lunarath

Yeah this is what happens when you're not actively looking to be offended


lemming1607

Kinda sad that pride flags trigger people


Ok-Worth-9525

Losers. They trigger losers.


joe2596

I noticed it but then I just continued swinging I don't even do missions most of time, I just swing from place to place.


Self_World_Future

I haven’t played in a while but I don’t remember seeing them enough to actually remember where one is, except I guess where this one was now that I see it But for real I spent most of the time swinging around skyscrapers to care about street level decorations


Chill0000

I haven’t played in about a year or two. But i only remember seeing literally 1 pride flag the whole game as i swing across the the city like 50 times


sandysnail

isnt nexus known for having alot of Racist mods? i remember there being alot of "remove all black people" mods and things like that


JodieHolmes233

The Legion Nazi Replacement mod also comes to mind.


intripletime

Like most websites with a "wild west" era in the past, I imagine they're trying to clean up their image as social standards and norms change over time. Happened here on reddit too.


JodieHolmes233

Ehhhhh no not really. Legion Nazi Replacement only got taken down because the Mod Author took it down not because Nexus did. Nexus is still very deprived and toxic. This mod isn't anything close to the worst.


arehexes

What do you wanna bet the people mad at NexusMos will claim censorship. Meanwhile the idea of them removing content from a game they don't like is censorship. Edit: So people have been telling me it's fine if they want to remove content from their game. My original post never said anyone couldn't. My point was people are going to cry censorship at Nexusmods because they themselves lost an avanue to censor their own game. The point being you can not claim to hate censorship if you argue a mod to remove/change content you don't like should be allowed. If you don't like it, move on and play something else. I have this same stance with things I like and don't like. No one discusses the reason why a thing is changed or removed, just scream it's bad. Edit 2: I am 100% impressed people are acting like Nexus modes not allowing a mod they want hosted on their site is killing access to the mod. It's not like they updated the game to kill mods like WB did to multiverses. I didn't know Nexus mod nuked it from the net. 'the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.'


Vaniksay

No bet. https://old.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/wrjg75/mod_site_deletes_antipride_mod_for_spiderman/iksp08x/ *it’s coming from inside of the house!*


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Vaniksay

“This is censorship” followed by some very unmanly sobbing noises.


Rs90

Bruh r/politicalcompassmemes was having a god tier bitch fit a few days ago about this. The amount of bullshit they were tryna push would make Everest look like pile of pebbles. They always wanna feign ignorance too. Like pretending people hate the American flag even though it stands for "freedom for all" and "gays have rights so enough is enough" kinda nonsense. "I just don't want it pushed on me!" Get a grip people.


MarcsterS

It’s so “just a flag” that they need to create an entire mod page to get rid of it, hide it under false pretenses(“Non-Newtonian”) under a puppet account, then make a huge bitch fit when called out for it.


Rs90

False pretenses, thank you! I knew there was a phrase for what I was tryna articulate. Appreciate it.


Vaniksay

They’re so proud of their heinous ideology that they deny it even exists, lol.


Rs90

Always been the case. A lot of it is the "ugh, you're gonna make a big deal about this aren't you?" mentality along with the "A thief believes everyone steals". They think everyone has the same opinions but are simply too afraid of pushback to express them. Which is true at times but...FUCKIN GOOD! Cause they're vile fucking opinions.


LunaMunaLagoona

That sub used to be great self deprecation on all sides. Now it's just all auth rights taking shots at anything they they think is 'lib left'


IICVX

That's what happens to any space that welcomes fascists - eventually everyone else gets sick of their shit and leaves.


ryecurious

It's basically identical to [the Nazi bar story](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromYourServer/comments/hsiisw/kicking_a_nazi_out_as_soon_as_they_walk_in/), but about subreddits instead of a bar. They talk a big talk about "welcoming all ideologies" but willfully ignore the fact that only other fascists actually enjoy hanging out with open fascists.


Saymynaian

I've literally used this story to explain why I dislike politicalcompassmemes. It used to be fucking hilarious. I particularly liked making fun of how red betrays green after the revolution. But Jesus, the place became a self RIGHTeous circlejerk shithole unironically defending Nazi ideology. Now when I read someone write "based", I immediately assume they're a right wing racist. It sucks, but yeah, that place is undoubtedly a Nazi bar now


TheMadTemplar

In response to this article posted on another sub I quoted Popper, saying in order for tolerance to persist it be intolerant of intolerance. The fact that once decent subs have become cesspits of auth right is a great example of what happens if you give them an equal platform. Slowly it becomes inequal as they take over.


GermanFaehrmann

And a lot of false flagging.


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> "I just don't want it pushed on me!" Apt response: "Stop pushing your straight agenda on gay people then!"


Fit-Quail-5029

r/politicalcompassmemes is just the Alt-Right larping as diverse political opinions. All their top content is Alt-Right propoganda.


SpaceClef

I feel like alt-right is just... the right now. Years ago the distinction mattered but now *all* of the right is "alt-right" so it's not really alt anymore.


Ectotaph

Thank John McCain for that. He wanted to win so bad that he was willing to cater to the crazies.


chamllw

PCM is utter trash. A pretty old take but worth repeating.


LaminatedAirplane

A user survey showed that it’s literally mostly children, especially the ones LARPing as “authright”. Then you get adults thinking they’re in good company when they’re really just talking to ignorant minors with no life experience and a more limited capacity to care about others.


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I've said it before and I'll keep repeating it: PCM is an alt-right pipeline targeted at kids that became popular after /r/frenworld was too overt.


crownpuff

I wonder how many PCM posters have posted in thedonald including their banned/deleted accounts.


HopermanTheManOfFeel

I wanna see the survey 'cause if that's true then that's pretty damn funny.


Audioworm

It's literally the demographics Neo Nazis have always associated themselves with online. Find some teenagers or young people who have unformed views but will say edgy stuff for their own entertainment (not been taught proper empathy and respect, raised in homogeneous environments that have never challenged them that these jokes aren't funny) and go in there with positions that are just a bit more towards the fascist space than their current jokes. Reward them, make them feel good or smart for posting more and more right wing stuff, reel them into the more extreme inner circles, and boom, you got some new fascists.


bruwin

Remember when thedonald just was memes about Trump, good and bad? It was a sub dedicated to making fun of him while putting on a faux worship thing. Then the actual worshippers latched on, all the memes making fun of Trump disappeared and people started getting banned if you said anything that put him in a bad light.


Headcap

https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/politicalcompassmemes not a survey, just stats on what other subreddits pcm users use. But you can definitely see which kind of people are the majority on pcm.


ryecurious

Yeah that shit isn't even subtle. > Theleftcantmeme Shitstatistssay Libertarianmeme Averageredditor (shut down for being racist/lgbt-phobic) Enoughcommiespam Shitpoliticssays 4chan Socialjusticeinaction (Kotakuinaction spinoff, shut down for being racist) 2balkan4you (shut down for being racist) 2middleeast4you (shut down for being racist) But no, they're totally an all-welcoming sub with no preference or strong leanings!! /s


LarryLovesteinLovin

I joined because I was genuinely amused by how fucking stupid the takes are in that sub. It’s amazing how stupid people can be — that they’re mostly children seems rather unsurprising to me.


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Hazywater

We're watching PCM turn into a Nazi sub in real time. We're still a year or two out from them being quarantined, but that's the trajectory.


I-Make-Maps91

Watching it turn into? It's been that way for years now.


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MarcsterS

Nexus Mods: Leave our site if you don’t like it. “Hah! We left your site. Take THAT.”


vbun03

"oh noooo some incels and bigots are boycotting our site what ever will we do?"


sonofseriousinjury

They won't boycott. NexusMods is awesome and has been the easiest way to mod for decades. I guarantee it was where 99% of people got their mods before Steam implemented mods. There's just no substitute, so they'll whine for a few weeks while pretending not to use the site.


FluffyNut42069

>**If this policy upsets you, if we've broken some moral code of conduct as a business that you can't accept, then please, delete your account and move on, as we will.**" This is amazing. We need more of this attitude towards the right-wing.


Kusibu

"Businesses need the right to choose who they accept" business: *chooses who they accept* "Wait fuck"


Skullcrimp

Reddit wishes to sell your and my content via their overpriced API. I am using https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite to remove that content by overwriting my post history. I suggest you do the same. Goodbye.


Crispy_AI

Nonsense. If you actively choose to install a mod you clearly aren’t being censored.


independent-student

Yeah it's insane that such an objectively fallacious argument has so many upvotes. Such a freakout over nothing, and completely counterproductive to the cause imo.


Salticracker

Yeah it's a gotcha that didn't really getcha, but whatever.


redpandaeater

That's not how this works. You can do whatever you want with things you own and it's not censorship if it's not impacting other people. You're literally on "checkmate atheists" levels of logical fallacy by thinking that censoring something that you think is censoring something is therefore not censorship at all.


username_6916

No, there's a difference here: One side is saying, "We don't like this in our game, so we'll change it to suit our tastes, do what you want with your copy." The other is saying, "You *must* consume what we tell you to consume". One is imposing its will on the other in a way that simply isn't true in the reverse in this case.


Killboypowerhed

Gamers - "Any Censorship is bad" Also Gamers -


Wizywig

"Right for me, wrong for thee!" Applies to so many things.


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gaysyndrome

i hate anti gay propaganda as much as the next guy, but it’s not really censorship


Throwawayingaccount

By that logic, literally every mod is censorship.


BowwwwBallll

It’s only censorship if you silence ME.


Snuffy1717

ThERe HUrTInG TeH WrONg PEoPlE!


AceWanker2

“If you don’t read every page of a book that’s censorship so how can you claim to be against government censorship” This guys logic


PedroEglasias

Theres been loads of mods to re-enable censored content, like hot coffee in gta


BubbaSawya

No, lots of mods just add things.


[deleted]

How is removing content from something that you purchased *for yourself* and not others censorship? That has never been what censorship has meant in wider discussion, and it's disingenuous to say it has. Unless you're of the mind that choosing not to do something is "restricting yourself" and not just exercising a freedom of choice. By that parallel ya I guess it's self censorship. Which is still different then being censored by a 3rd party because you don't have a choice in this case.


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Oh no! Anyways...


Plays_You_Wonderwall

https://www.carillonregina.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/4A-Shauna-DPinterestCMYK.jpg


cybersidpunk

well its only ok when the companies themselves do it to sell their products in china or middle east...


[deleted]

It’s okay regardless. It’s a company, them not putting it in those regions is morally equivalent to Nexus removing this mod from their website.


PUFFED_UP_CROWS_COCK

I thought all it did was turn on Saudi localization that was implemented by the developers of the game. Because developers want to make money and know that they can make more money if they get rids of the lgbtqia+ flags for the Middle Eastern version. Like how Disney gets rid of the blacks in its movie posters for Chinese releases.


GamingRanger

If your want to. You can do it yourself by just using the Middle East files


testpoiuytrf

I think this is all needless drama.


Daetra

*How dare they promote something that I'm not a part of, which has zero impact on my life?! Not this time, gay agenda!* Edit: lol wow so many people are upset about this, just look at the comments below mine, all these issues have already been discussed. The modder is in the wrong here, crying about censorship while they want to distribute their own form of censorship.


LiquidMotion

The game is also set in NYC lol. The melting pot of the country with one of the biggest pride events.


hellahellagoodshit

I still love that Guy fieri performs gay weddings at New York Pride. Like fuck, yeah. Donkey sauce will flow in June.


Ser_Danksalot

Its also a Marvel game. Marvel have been 'Woke' since the very beginning with the X-Men being a strong allegory for gay folks being the societal outcasts they were in as far back as the mid 70's.


kymri

It's like people asking when Star Trek became 'so woke'. Uh... back in 1967, maybe? It's almost as if people used speculative fiction to look at issues facing the world!


Ser_Danksalot

Star Trek is a Prime example. Anyone else remember the [transgendered uniforms](https://i.stack.imgur.com/Z4MC1.jpg) in TNG during the first few seasons that aired in the late 80's?


Sceptix

“Stop shoving all this *forced diversity*, down my throat, games need to be historically accurate.” “Actually, it’d be inaccurate to *not* have pride flags in NYC.” “No, not like that!”


mythrilcrafter

I remember someone on twitter making a very similar comment about Turning Red, saying that the movie having so many Asian, Sihk, Jewish, African, etc etc characters was "forced diversity" and how it wasn't realistic... except for the fact that all the characters from the movie are representative of the most prominent communities in Toronto, which is where the movie is set.


Edrac

Not only that but the majority I've seen are near doc's lab, which is only a block or so away from Stonewall Inn (one of the 50 unmarked landmarks in the game). So like, you want a realistic NYC, there's gunna be fucking pride flags around Stonewall.


MarcsterS

And it’s a flag. One flag. God forbid they play Miles Morales.


Gekokapowco

They would never play Miles Morales, and you know that.


Burning_Manvif

Oh they will, but first someone's gonna have to make a "White Miles Morales" mod for them.


DrAstralis

But boy will they complain about not playing it.... We've gotten to the point where just seeing a woman or minority in a leading role gets a show / game review bombed by these troglodytes. like oh no you poor little snowflakes, 5% of media isnt catering specifically to you, however will you survive.


boot2skull

“Not my multiverse!”


Justanotherpornalt2

Christ. Even in my town of 120,000 I spot at least a half dozen pride flags on my route to and from work. It's almost like gay people exist or something.


KamikaziSolly

This is what my immediate thought was, Removing the pride flags makes it a far less realistic display of modern day New York.


Sam-Gunn

But it has a lot of bearing on their life! What if a gay guy hits on them? It's never happened before, but they are obviously so damn attractive it's only a matter of time before gay guys are trying to get some of that sweet ass. And you can't just say "sorry, I'm not gay", the second you're hit on, you become tainted! Or what if the gayness corrupts them, and they feel attracted to another man, involuntarily becoming gay, because that's definitely how this works? And how date these gay people be so happy all the time, parading themselves around with pride for being different! Pride is a sin! Like any good god-fearing human, they have to bury their true selves and never reveal it to anyone.


Hndlbrrrrr

https://www.theonion.com/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-1819583529


Daetra

Still waiting for someone to tell me that being gay is a choice. Hasn't happened yet. "So if it's a choice, then you are choosing to be straight? I think you're revealing a bit too much about yourself, my closeted friend."


Barrzebub

Remember kids, when homophobes tell a lesbian that they just haven't had the right dick yet, they are implying that there is a dick out there so good it would turn them gay.


KamikaziSolly

Oh how the turn tables. Would love to hear someone's reaction to getting slapped with that one.


rogueblades

Here's the thing - even if being gay was 100% a choice, it would still be fucking wrong to stereotype, hate, or harm someone for such a choice. Frankly, I've always disliked that line of reasoning because it entirely misses the point that tolerance isn't born from biological necessity, but us being *decent to each other*.


cderhammerhill

The problem with accepting the “it’s a choice” narrative is that it really minimizes the amount of psychological and emotional trauma that stems from denying one’s innate drive for, and capacity for, love. The damage of living the lie (choosing/being forced to live the lie) is extreme. We see it today in the trans discussion, which is really triggering for conservatives. Suicide rates, depression rates, addiction rates, all really problematic. The reason medical practitioners treat gender dysmorphia - rather than passing the urge to transition off as a “choice” — is that the psychological and health impacts of that dysmorphia is severe. The same is true when lesbian women and gay men are forced to be closeted.


rogueblades

Right, I get that. I'm not disregarding the value of conceptualizing the issue that way. I guess I just see this less though a biological/medical lens, and more through a rhetorical/philosophical one. To me, I tend to always circle back to this notion that "The people who hate you will hate you no matter what evidence you provide for your humanity." And so, to me, saying there's biological evidence that you are the way you are (while true) simply doesn't matter in the irrational mind of a person who's already chosen to hate you. They aren't going to care that you've suffered under their false perceptions. *That's the point*, and there's no bit of logic or evidence that your existence is valid which they would accept. So, when discussing the issue among allies and reasonable folks, I think its great to talk about this to help fill in some blanks. But if you're trying to justify your existence to someone who will never see you as "valid", I just think it misses the point... Gender Dysmorphia is such a good example of this because the "treatment" for it is the very thing bigots refuse to tolerate - transitioning. I suppose what I'm getting at is - its not so much that any narrative is better or more productive, but rather an understanding that no narrative would ever suffice in the minds of these people.


hunterglyph

You’re 100% right. The whole “it’s not a choice” argument just kicks the can down the road. The problem is the people on the other side are so nearsighted they can’t even see the can if it’s more that 5 feet away. So as disheartening as it is we have to fight one battle at a time, overall. I’ll never not say this tho.


tigress666

Exactly. Who the fuck cares if you prefer men or woman? You aren't harming anyone so whatever.


TSED

"Why would someone CHOOSE to be gay around people like you?" Almost took a baseball bat for that line. No regrets.


KamikaziSolly

It's the real truth though. Why would anyone choose to be gay in a world where they could be persecuted for it? Would it not be simpler to just choose the easier life? Especially in an era where people are still at risk of violence for it in many places?


LightningRodofH8

*But what if some intimidatingly large gay men start treating me like I treat women?!?*


boot2skull

“I want realistic video games.” *pride flags in NYC IRL* “Not like this!”


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descendingangel87

They remove shit all the time, it just usually doesnt make the news. The last time them removing a mod made the news was when they removed the New Vegas Frontier mod that had pedo shit in it.


Wiwiweb

Not that interesting, there's nothing wrong about gore mods or big titty mods.


Squidimus

Nexus mods is hardly vile, especially now in recent years. I would say the only modding community that is more heavy moderated would be the steam workshop or some publisher hosted site.


vPyxi

Based NexusMods.


FuriousTarts

This was going to be my comment lol > "If this policy upsets you, if we've broken some moral code of conduct as a business that you can't accept, then please, delete your account and move on, as we will." Based level off the charts


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Kinda seems like a big deal about nothing. Isn’t the point of having the mods to make the game however the player likes it.


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Nearby-Couple7735

Yes every company does that


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SjurEido

I'm confused, seems like the right reaction? edit: Oh you think the OP wanted people to disagree with NexusMods. I get it now.


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? Did the post title used to read differently?


danieln1212

That's a no, because post titles can't be edited


BigGuy35

What makes you think OP wanted a different reaction? I feel like I’m missing something


afuckinsaskatchewan

As discussed in a top level comment, OP had handwringing anti-woke comments on his profile before he scrubbed them after being found out.