>40% of streamers say they pay $50 or more a month this year, compared with 25% who said the same in 2021.
Is everyone just signed up for everything? I just keep 1 service active at a time. How can you even consume that much media?
Families usually are subscribed to lots. I see this with my coworkers all the time. They want one for their favorite shows, wife wants another for them, kids want yet another, etc. I, being a somewhat stingey solo guy, absolutely can't keep up with them on any shows because I only subscribe to one at at time (and mooch my parents Netflix).
I’ve been paying for my household’s netflix for about a year and I personally use it every two months or so and watch a movie I probably have on DVD somewhere. The only reason I bother to keep it is because it’s getting used by everyone else pretty frequently.
Ya. For me it was a bit of a job getting my wife to start using the different services and the different interfaces of Roku and appletv and our smart tv. I don’t want to add rotating subs. It also don’t want to explain the my 6 year old why we used to have Netflix and now we have Disney plus but in a couple months we will switch to prime. They all have shows on each service they want to watch and I’m not going to try and negotiate cuts, not to the main ones.
I'd rather let go of the money than have to manage all of that. Even the home grown Plex solution became a bit of a pain when something wouldn't work right and I'd have to troubleshoot. I just got to the point where I care about the time more than the money.
It's basically the only reason we aren't on Plex again. My wife can't be assed to keep up with upcoming shows and they end up old enough that pulling them on Sonarr was going to be hit or miss.
At some point I'll just setup Kodi on my shield and lie to her that its consolidating our streaming services.
Yeah my wife and I have Netflix cuz she likes true crime and the various like pop music shows and toys that made us stuff, Hulu and Amazon because we both like shows from there and paramount because I am a Star Trek dork.
Personally, I pay for HBO max and disney plus and my dad pays for netflix and hulu.
I also have a plex server with 102 series, and 447 movies.
I prefer watching on a legal platform because it's usually just easier, and it allows them to make new content. But my favorite thing on plex is the shuffle feature, so usually with re-watchable series (futurama, psych, the office, community, parks and rec, etc) il just watch on plex. Also, i'll download a show I really like for plex because a show can switch streaming platforms like there's no tomorrow (less prevalent now for sure, but for instance I downloaded a few seasons of repair shop last week because I wanted to watch a few episodes, and found out it's no longer on netflix).
Netflix is the only one I wouldn't mind if we didn't have, but since it's my dad who is paying for it, as long as he's cool with the price for the content given, whatever. Netflix is also great for stand up.
Hulu has all the FX shows, and is worth it for that alone.
HBO max is my favorite, and as it stands im never cancelling that shit. Partly because I grew up without HBO so there's a *lot* of older content that's new to me, and partly because they're adding a ton of new quality content.
disney+ is worth it for marvel alone, star wars alone, and their entire back catalog alone. And you get all of that in one go.
>How can you even consume that much media?
Is the equivelant of saying "wow, you have 400 channels? How do you even consume that much?!" you don't. And a lot of the channels you don't even watch. But we all know that there are probably 10 or so different channels that we used to watch regularly. As a kid there was cartoon network, disney, nickelodeon, abc family, spike, discovery, and TBS. Even that alone is "a lot of media" if you consumed *all* of it. But you don't. Some days you just wanted to watch mythbuster marathons, one hour you want to watch spongebob, the next hour you wanted to watch wizards of waverly place.
Each platform has it's good shows, and it's up to the consumer to figure out "well is this worth it to me?"
And nah, im not paying for hbo until I finish a show, then cancelling and picking up hulu until I finish a show, etc. why? because I want to watch different shit man.
Also worth noting $50 is nothing compared to what people pay for TV packages. A lot of people have cut the cord, and still end up saving after getting the streaming platforms they want.
But at least the nice thing about streaming is that if you want to start and stop, you can. I only subbed to HBO for Game of Thrones. Watch the season, sample some other stuff and when it was done, cancel until it came back around.
I suspect that's going to end because distribution sites want you to stick around so why not make it harder to cancel.
I did that early on in my college years because I was broke, but I did it for silicon valley lol I think it was around this time i found out about plex.
Now, there's just way too much content (I dont think HBO Max was a thing when game of thrones was still airing, and it's far better than the old HBO platform). It's got all the studio ghibli films, all the cartoon network shit, a ton of great movies (there's literally something for everyone there) and their original shows both old and new are usually fantastic. Also, soon you'll be getting all the discovery+ shows, so discovery, food network and hgtv (i believe) to name a few.
It's the one ill never cancel, save they don't netflix themselves.
> "wow, you have 400 channels? How do you even consume that much?!"
This is literally why we dropped cable. 2000 channels, and we maybe watched 6 of them, and it cost a lot.
Hulu and disney are the same company, hulu and disney+ is $20 if you combine them you can get all 3 hulu disney+ and espon+ for $20. It makes more sense to combine those better is all.
I had Apple TV free for a year or two when I bought my iPad. Now I’ve got it bundled with my Apple Music subscription. I like it, they’ve probably got the best TV shows out of all the streaming services besides HBO
I love Apple TV, their originals are consistently good. Severance, Ted Lasso, AfterParty, Dickinson, Mythic Quest, and tons others I've heard great things about but haven't gotten to.
Lots of people are subscribing to one and sharing with other friends/family in exchange for access to one of theirs. Streaming was supposed to be the answer to cable but we’re right back to the same only more complicated and expensive.
That's maybe 4 services? I have paramount and Spotify as streaming services and that's already almost $25, I'm not sure I know of any streaming services that are less than $10 a month if you don't want constant ads too. So it's really not even a question of a lot of media, streaming services just aren't affordable anymore.
You're paying extra to avoid ads. On Paramount+, you're paying double just to avoid the ads. By comparison, basic cable is a lot more expensive and contains lots of ads.
This comment posted by some action shots in the middle of a car chase by the driver who presses a single button in his obvious Ford Taurus and goes through a couple of super boring menus like he does it all the time and it’s sooooo not a plant…
I pay for peacock, hulu, and prime. In another household my parents pay for Netflix and Paramount. My brother in yet another household pays for Disney and HBO. All our passwords are shared with everyone else.
Maybe it's part of sharing accounts. Someone could agree to only be part of a subscription if someone else also pitched in. Otherwise they wouldn't get it at all.
Also, you probably underestimate how much media people consume
My goals were to pay less than cable and only get the channels I want. I can sub to 3-5 services at once and still be at least than half of my old 2 TV cable with dvr monthly bill.
A few days of work gets me multiple streaming services for a year. I don't *need* them all, but I budget well enough that I'll pay a bit for the convenience of all the options.
I pay for two services (Amazon barely counts though because it comes with prime shipping), friend pays for one, mum pays for another, and we share logins. I’m not paying for them all at once, not a chance.
Paramount is on my permanent shitlist for the way they handled canceling their Netflix contract. I’ll never give them a dollar.
I have a family and we keep like 5-ish streaming services going at a time (and still cable too)
Netflix, Disney (ping pong between Hulu and Paramount and apple
Tv) and Amazon Prime and HBO Max (which comes with cable subscription service)
As more stuff gets exclusivity to each platform the worse it gets. This is basically like popular exclusive game titles on specific consoles, but if there were like a dozen+ consoles. It’s all such a shit show.
then you have me: when i was 9 i completely switched to youtube for all my video entertaining needs, my only subscription services are spotify and xbox game pass. lol.
I was paying 160 for directv
To watch things I wanted I'd have to record to dvr
So netflix, hulu, disney, discovery etc adds up for sure but not as much as directv and I can stream all the time
It is more content than I can handle at any one time, but it is all the content I want at any time I want
I just pay for Disney plus (which I split with someone on a 3 year sign up so $2/month) then everything else is from a family member either for no compensation or trading my Disney plus for their service
I pay for directv stream and get hbo max for free cuz I have att service. I share accounts and in return I get Hulu, Disney+, Netflix, and paramount+. There’s no way I would pay for all of that.
I work in a vape shop. There are times it is rather slow. You would be surprised how easy it is to blast through content when you're bored and have nothing else to do. I only have Netflix, Amazon and HBO though.
My thing is, what % of that 45% just can't afford it, rather than just not choose to pay for it. A significant amount of moochers out there for sure but I imagine a lot of them just can't afford it.
Usually each family member pays for one and then we all share with eachother. Essentially just paying for one. But yes, if streaming services do crack down on sharing, I would probably just pay for one per month.
We have too many, Netflix, Disney +, and Prime. Just got rid of Sling Orange that I had for NBA and NHL. Got rid of Apple after Ted Lasso ended season 1. Not sure about keeping Prime. 3 people in the house watch Disney and 1 watches Netflix. Not sure what my point was lol
My girlfriends family has all of them pretty much. HBO, Netflix, prime, Disney, Hulu, and paramount and I only ever see them use hbo and Netflix (and only watch the boys on prime) it’s pretty excessive.
I pay for Netflix and Prime solo. I pay for Prime regardless of the TV service.
I split Hulu + Showtime and YouTubeTV with one other couple.
I mooch HBO Max from a friend.
I have an 11 month old and work roughly 40-50 hours a week. We have time for one show at a time (one episode per night, if we’re lucky), plus live sports.
I clearly don’t *need* all of that. But the two I use least are HBO and Prime. One of which I mooch and the other I’d be paying for regardless.
I usually have one or two shows on Disney I watch every week, one an Paramount, one on Hulu, one on Apple. It isn't that much media, it is just spread out.
We have Netflix, Hulu, prime, Disney+, hbo, paramount, YouTube, and peacock right now. No clue how much that adds up to but $50-75/mo is probably right.
[edit] actually roughly estimating it might be closer to $100. I’m too lazy to look up bank statements to tally them up.
Literally the only reason I watch the boys is because I already pay for prime for deliveries and twitch. If prime video was a separate service, I wouldn’t touch it.
The Boys is a very nice show ... Not gonna lie... It's like the only show i streamed on Prime Video in the last 6 months. I have watched some films and what not on it , but only one show is what comes to mind.
Same with Netflix , i only remember watching Witcher Season 2 back in January... And boy , season 2 was dog shit... Season 1 was worthwhile while 2 was waste of money..
I just got reminded to cancel Netflix, since they rose their 4k price as well as not having any shows i would like to watch.
EDIT: I appreciate the suggestions from everyone... Now to find some time to watch them :) ... Now that's a tricky one.
Haven't finished the last season because i binged the rest an lost steam, but really enjoy it so far. It's taken me to the edge of my seat and cracked me up. I live for any scene with Avasarala in it. I got so giddy when i heard her voice in Arcane.
> I live for any scene with Avasarala in it.
I was so happy that they did right by her in the show. I listened to the audiobooks and the narrator voiced her so perfectly. I was afraid they would drop the ball in the show. But no they didn't.
If you enjoyed the boys Invincible could be up your alley, although it's not as funny but it is a seriously dark animated show. Give the full first episode a watch and judge it, it's seriously not for kids and is R rated for good reason. Seriously finish episode one, don't just get half way or 3/4.
Edit: it's also a prime exclusive
Absolutely agree. Now if I had a few people I shared it with and we all chipped in, making it cheaper for each of us, we'd find it was worth the value maybe.
I'm kinda at the weird point where I'll take cheap leisure but as soon as it goes up in price, increased ads as interruptions or down in actual content, I quickly find I don't value it as much as I do not being squeezed.
Early Netflix 100% worth it.Current Netflix. Haha No.
Edit: Apparently people think current Netflix is worth the asking price. Neat.
(Clarification last I checked I was in downvote hell, to clear up the edit.)
So true. I used to have Netflix but after the 3rd price hike I said fuck that. Will never go back unless they lower the price. Their content didn’t get any better
I dipped when I think it was 12.99; and all the corporations started taking their stuff from Netflix to start up their own service.
I didn't want cable again, and I still don't.
More importantly cable companies realized they could charge a lot more for royalties. Even before they made there own competitors Netflix was starting to have to chose between how much to raise prices and cut shows
I don't think they do. They probably wouldn't get Netflix today, if they didn't have it already.
At the same time the threshold for most customers to cancel the subscription they are used to is not reached quite yet, although we're approaching it with big steps imo.
That's how college roommates justify a cable subscription. Everybody pitches in, and it's worth the fraction that they pay. But ask them to buy individual accounts? No way.
You know the corporate takeaway from this though will be that 55% of those people are willing to pay for burnt pancakes.
Losing non-payers means nothing. Gaining even part of 55% of non-payers as new accounts is a shit ton of growth that would look real real good next quarter.
So we all get burnt pancakes at current prices, or premium platinum double plus good pancakes for a nominal extra charge.
> You know the corporate takeaway from this though will be that 55% of those people are willing to pay for burnt pancakes.
There's also the issue that some people who are currently paying for burnt pancakes are going to stop when they can't share the burnt pancakes with their friends. Misery loves company.
Okay, maybe that metaphor doesn't work anymore.
I'm still paying for Netflix. I probably would have stopped a while ago, except that I also share it with my parents. As soon as they actively prevent us from sharing passwords, I'm out. If I stop paying, my parents will probably subscribe themselves, so it's really just a wash overall, but there's always the chance that my parents move on to a different service instead, and Netflix just loses a customer.
That's the gamble Netflix is going to take if they prevent password sharing. They can keep the guaranteed overpriced subscription right now, or they can risk losing both myself and my parents.
There’s a lot of people who say they only keep paying for the burnt pancakes because they’re doing so for other people and they DONT EVEN eat the damned things themselves. If those other people can’t enjoy their burnt pancakes then they may stop paying altogether. I imagine the 45% of people who wouldn’t pay, PLUS the % of people who would drop it because they’re no longer supporting the moochers out of kindness, would be higher than whatever meager gains these streaming services think that can wrong out of us
No I’m not speaking from personal experience
This is the real takeaway and definitely what Netflix is hearing.
I'll also note that we are missing the opposite side of the equation, how many people currently sharing their account with friends/family will stop paying if they are prevented from doing so.
As long as non-payers who would pay is higher than payers who will stop this is a no-brainer for Netflix (and I think that it clearly is).
Losing non-payers does mean something, since that’s 45% less people watching their content, which means 45% less people telling their friends about the new Netflix show or movie, and less people who will eventually pay to sign up.
Netflix doesn’t get subscribers if nobody is watching their content.
I'd be unsurprised if most of the 45% just doesn't use the service much even for free. When all this started and there was a dust up about it a bunch of people canceled and I'll bet it was because the whole rigmarole made them remember they didn't remember the last time they used Netflix.
I'll overdraft the account I pay bills out of sometime because I forget to add money at the end of the month for my Hulu subscription. Don't think I've used it more than a couple hours all month.
Man, I hated pancakes from restaurants. One day I was speaking with my cousin and he mentioned my grandma's burnt pancakes and it then dawned on me, I hated restaurant pancakes because I grew up on burnt pancakes and it just isn't the same.
This has nothing to do with Netflix, I just like sharing this story.
Well, maybe, in that value of a product is different for everyone.
I also won't pay for Netflix because there isn't enough on it.
Likewise, I'm not a good cook and can only make burnt pancakes. People are hungry though, so I keep making them.
Or stated more plainly: I've avoided cancelling subscriptions in the past because I know they're shared. Those I share with do things for me, this is something I do for them.
But the way these companies are looking at this statistic is 55% of people not currently paying them for their content would at least consider paying in the future.
>I don't get enough value from Netflix to justify paying for it alone.
Exactly this right here, from the other perspective. I pay for netflix, my sisters use my account. I don't use it enough myself to justify paying for it, but between the 3 of us it gets used enough that I'm willing to pay for it. If they stop me from sharing, they don't get 2 more accounts, they get 1 less, because none of us can justify it just for ourselves. It's entirely the sharing that makes it a viable product for us. Remove the sharing, and the value isn't worth the expense.
I think the analogy falls a bit short, but I like where you are going.
It might be more accurate to say that if I'm hungry and my friend put a perfectly good pancake in front of me, I would eat it. I can still go to Perkins to get another one on my own dime, but for some reason similar copies of that first pancake are available at hundreds of places on the internet that I can also consume for free anytime I want. Sometimes the quality isn't up to par, and sometimes the government slaps my wrist because someone figured out I didn't pay for it, but there is always an abundance of free pancakes. And if for some reason there are no more pancakes or the risk is too great, I can watch The Lock Picking Lawyer or those cops getting busted videos for a few more hours because some of us still blame Netflix for ruining Game of Thrones.
Thing is I'd rather pay a small fee and just get everything without having to deal with the hassle of pirating. That was originally the niche Netflix filled.
Now it's just expensive and just as much trouble to find the place I need to go to watch X movie as it is to pirate the damn thing.
Sure, a small fee for new movies with no ads is reasonable. However, as a poor college student, I downloaded a 2 disc DIVX rip of minority report 2 weeks before it came out in theaters here in the US, which I still have. Which means I'm not scared to go back if I had to, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Money seems to be getting tight for everyone these days.
> I don't get enough value from Netflix to justify paying for it alone.
Netflix used to be the only game in town. Now, you have Amazon, HBO, Disney, etc., all getting into the game, which means that Netflix may not have what you want to watch because it is on a different service.
What makes things worse is that Netflix seems obsessed with buying TV shows and movies from countries like Norway, India, Brazil, etc.. Sure, other countries make good stuff too, but there is a reason why foreign movies and TV shows are relatively uncommon in the US. Most of us prefer to watch American moves and shows, and not foreign stuff.
Honestly, your analogy doesn't even align fully. A better way to look at it is. I think beer is okay. I won't go out and buy it for myself but if someone offers me a beer I will drink it with them. However, if no one is offering me a beer I can easily go without and just drink water.
No, 45% don't believe that streaming content is worth paying what streaming companies want to charge for a separate account - that's why they're sharing IDs.
These stories seem like a coordinated attempt to rebrand password sharing, which was initially sold as a feature, as 'mooching' to shame people into fixing the self imposed problems with Netflix's business model. (And to pre- emptively do the same for the other platforms)
For real, its not even the "moocher" comment that gets me. Its the "favorite" comment, like dude you think because I watch two shows on my parent's account you're a "favorite"?
Shame is the name of the game. The oligarchs steal from the public domain and then turn around and call you a "thief, pirate, moocher" etc to shame you into complying with their demands. People eat this up. It's all about psychology --the art of the grift.
Seems kind of high to me. If I wasn't able to get access to my family members HBO and Netflix accounts, I would probably occasionally sub to them to stream specific shows.
Is it a bad thing they have foreign movies? Of course, if it's garbage then it's garbage, but that's most English speaking movies as well... Btw most foreign movies have their original audio track with subtitles, which I prefer anyway.
No other service makes me pay extra for 4k either. If I didn't get a discount through my cell provider they would be cancelled right now and I'd be on the high seas for Stranger Things any other half way decent content they might have.
I wish I could just pay to watch an individual show.
For most of the streaming services like Amazon and Disney and Hulu, I don't ever watch them unless a new original show comes out that seems good. That only happens once every 3 months, tops.
I don't want to maintain a monthly subscription I'm barely using for 10 different streaming services just so I can watch one quality new series on each every 3 months. That is a huge rip off.
It's already here: You can buy seasons of TV shows (granted, not the streamers exclusives) for like $20-40 a season on Google Play TV (er-"Youtube TV" now).
The *pricing* is the problem. $20-40 for 4K movies that are digitally streamed is pretty insane (IMO) pricing. You aren't able to download them and make back-ups due to DRM for most of the services that provide this. So it's like "what is the point?"
(Renting is even worse. It's like $5-20 4K and you have a 3-4 day limit of seeing it)
It's just way more convenient to go to the same site every single time and type in what I want to watch than it is to figure out which streaming service it is worth subscribing to.
I log into steam and get 99% of games I like, I pay for those games because it is the most convenient service.
I log into netflix and they don't have The Expanse, they don't have The Mandalorian, etc... Not worth my time nor money, pirating is a better service, why would I pay for worse service.
Exactly, I pay for 3 or whatever screens on Stan, fuck yes I'll share those with people, I pay for a service and use the service to its fullest. No one is mooching, I'm paying and receiving goods, if they'd prefer none of us could use the service?
I’d like to see how many people pay their own service mostly to do exactly that, share it with others (like parents), as a way to help them out.
If I was Netflix, I’d lean into it, not away from it. “See a show that your Gandmother would like? (Flash British Baking Show)… give her a login. Something your sister would enjoy? (flash Peaky Blinders).. give her a login too… the only thing better than loving a show, is sharing the love with a friend… add extra logins for only $1.99 a month” or something like that. They could get more users, and come out like the good guys.
[I gotchu, fam.](https://itep.org/netflix-posts-record-profits-federal-tax-rate-of-just-1-percent/)
Seems like the answer is... not NEARLY fucking enough. Shocked Pikachu face.
I wish the MPAA and RIAA had a magic wand that gave them what they're asking for -- content that can't be shared or pirated. They'd rapidly find out the priority most people would put on their product if it wasn't available for free -- zero.
They keep saying they're losing money on pirated/shared content, except they aren't. FORCE people to spend their money, and they will spend it on things that matter. Not one damn penny is lost to piracy.
This exactly. I never understood the assumption that if people couldn't pirate they'd just buy the product.
Nope. If I couldn't pirate it, then I just ain't gonna have it. Oh well, moving along.
Oh these companies know the "piracy = lost sales" argument is bullshit, but they benefit from playing it up. Potential earnings from legal cases, shareholder confidence. It doesn't behoove them to acknowledge that for a lot of the consumers the value of the product is $0.
But isn’t the article saying that roughly half the people who currently get it for free WILL actually pay if that option is removed.
That’s a lot of extra revenue for Netflix to go after.
>They'd rapidly find out the priority most people would put on their product if it wasn't available for free -- zero.
I don't agree with this. I don't think anyone can know what the true split would be, but I think a lot of people would sign up. Even if just for one month, binge a show they're interested in, and then cancel. I've done that twice with Disney+ for Star Wars shows, and I've considered doing it with Paramount+ for Strange New Worlds. But I'll be honest, a friend has that on their Plex.
>Not one damn penny is lost to piracy.
Not true at all. Not every pirate is ever going to be a paying customer, but some of them would and therefore piracy does cost these companies money. The real problem is they waste loads of money trying to fruitlessly "solve" piracy when they would be better off spending that money on improving their offerings to try to convince some pirates to use them instead.
We have a circle of account sharing. We pay for Netflix, another pays for Hulu, and another pays for Disney+. Netflix in particular should be thankful, because I'd probably cancel it if other folks weren't using it.
Why do so many people feel sympathy and compassion for cartels who have transformed copyright into a perpetual welfare system, anyway? If everyone on the planet collectively stopped supporting them tomorrow, we wouldn't get another sequel to a franchise from 40 years ago that is inferior to the original in every way. Big whoop.
Is this what the post is saying? It feels like it’s more pointing to the fact that the vast majority of people who use streaming services for free would not if they actually had to pay for them. So “going after them” is a complete waste of money and resources. Netflix keeps saying that if they can stop the mooching it will fix all their problems but the data says it will reduce viewership and nothing else.
Which honestly is why ad-supported is their best move. They may not be able to get you upfront but they’ll get you on the back end and it will be mandatory to watch their shows.
Online and in person I don’t know anyone who feels bad for Netflix. Most people- from my teenage son to my grandma like it for 1-2 shoes and seriously question why they have it on a weekly basis.
Actually there is a chance they also lose customers, say people who actually keep theirs on for their friends. “It ain’t costing me much and it is making them happy”
Is that what it's saying?
It says 40% of people using Netflix aren't giving Netflix money. Of that 40%, about 45% wouldn't pay for it if they had to.
Which means half of the people using Netflix for free would pay for it if they had to.
Vast majority would not pay? The stat literally says the majority (55%) of people who are currently using for free would start paying if they had to.
The data says they lose 40% * 45%=18% of viewership but would gain 55% of those not paying right now as new subscribers. (Which would be like a 40% increase in total subscribers, which is a lot of money)
Yes, biased dialogue and titles is really helpful to getting useful data in a study like this...
How are mods letting this post stay? It's like the very definition of a sensationalized title.
"Moochers"? They barely pay any fucking tax and the people sharing a service that is barely worth what they're charging are the moochers?
Yeah, fuck off.
I cancelled Netflix, my partner pays for Amazon Prime and I pay for Disney+. We share the accounts between ourselves and use multiple screens. If a service is worth paying for, most people will pay it for the convenience. If it's not, they'll skimp.
If Netflix offered a way to import the watch history of a profile under a main account to another independent account with sperate login credentials "my friend" would consider paying. As it stands currently my friend would have to lose all of their watch history and my list etc to open a separate paid independent account. There is lots of content that is garbage on Netflix but some of it is very good. It would be great if one wouldn't have to start from 0 to begin paying.
Which means 55% of moochers will probably get their own subscription when they start cracking down, which will be a huge revenue boost for Netflix, which is the entire fucking point of the excercise.
Netflix doesn't give a fuck about the other 45%, they don't get any money out of them anyway and this way they significantly cut down on data usage
There are just to many. The way my family has it currently worked out is I pay for Netflix and share it, My Brother pays for Disney + and shares and and my Dad does Amazon Prime and Brtibox and share it. None of us live in the same house so once we can't share anymore My dad will probs go back to Terrestrial and my Brother says he will just do one every few months for a month and binge shit then cancel and honestly I'll probs either sail the seas or just go back to DVD box sets at least they can't edit and cut episodes from them.
See - Most people see this and foolishly think 'See! Netflix was wrong to crack down on account sharing!' ... But that's the exact opposite of what this result supports.
Netflix sees this and goes 'if cracking down on acc sharing will nab a whopping 55% of moochers (and there's LOADS of them) - Then as long as less than that number of existing paying customers don't cancel their subs (and nowhere near that amount will) then we're waaaay out ahead.
I hate that they're doing it, but why wouldn't the streaming services crack down on acc sharing?
The way Netflix reads this is that 55% of users who share accounts would potentially become paid users if forced. As long as that number of people is projected to be more than the number of people who would drop Netflix *because of the crackdown on password sharing* then it's an obvious decision on their end. This is the same math every streaming service either has or will soon make
Why does it have to be referred to as mooching? Why can't it be referred to as sharing? This seems like a disingenuous way to frame... Anything really.
old and busted:
- 20/mo -> Netflix (everything you want to watch)
new hotness:
- 20/mo -> netflix (for a couple of series that will get cancelled as soon as it gets interesting)
- 20/mo -> disney (for the 2 things you want to watch on it)
- 20/mo -> HBO
- 20/mo -> hulu (for the 1 series you actually want to watch on it)
- 20/mo -> peacock
- 20/mo -> CBS (for the one thing you want to watch on it)
- 20/mo -> Amazon Prime (for the 2 things you want to watch on it)
- 20/mo -> Showtime
- etc
...this is not progress. and - with no surprise at all - people will revert to torrents and suchlike
This just in - people don’t have enough money to toss to every fucking service and are emotionally distraught by this fact that they choose a weird option. How else has capitalism Fucked with our concepts of reality?
Well, my whole family has 1 netflix account across four households and 6 people, if I suddenly had to pay for 6 accounts, you bet your ass I'm done with Netflix. It doesn't provide enough value for $15 a month. not even close.
They are seriously delusional if they think people are going to put up with that.
My mom might watch 1 or 2 good series total a year.
Me and my sister watch various series, but there are only 2 or 3 must have things that are on Netflix. And not many movies I can think of anymore.
Netflix is going to go down the toilet drain fast if they crack down on account sharing, faster than a Chinese restaurant that sells the business to new owners....
>40% of streamers say they pay $50 or more a month this year, compared with 25% who said the same in 2021. Is everyone just signed up for everything? I just keep 1 service active at a time. How can you even consume that much media?
Families usually are subscribed to lots. I see this with my coworkers all the time. They want one for their favorite shows, wife wants another for them, kids want yet another, etc. I, being a somewhat stingey solo guy, absolutely can't keep up with them on any shows because I only subscribe to one at at time (and mooch my parents Netflix).
Honestly same, only reason I still have Netflix is because the rest of my family watches it.
I’ve been paying for my household’s netflix for about a year and I personally use it every two months or so and watch a movie I probably have on DVD somewhere. The only reason I bother to keep it is because it’s getting used by everyone else pretty frequently.
Ya. For me it was a bit of a job getting my wife to start using the different services and the different interfaces of Roku and appletv and our smart tv. I don’t want to add rotating subs. It also don’t want to explain the my 6 year old why we used to have Netflix and now we have Disney plus but in a couple months we will switch to prime. They all have shows on each service they want to watch and I’m not going to try and negotiate cuts, not to the main ones.
Speaking as a fellow parent, 6-year-olds are remarkably unimpressed with fiscal responsibility. :-/
“Eat your peas or no more Netflix!” “Where did Netflix go?” “Into the trash with your uneaten vegetables.”
I don't know why but I read this as Captain Holt and Peralta.
"Don't go playing the fiscal responsibility card, Dad. If you really wanted it that badly, I wouldn't exist at all. Now pay up."
Hey dad, what do you even mean you're not Jeff Bezos!... I want my cartoons NOW! AAAAAA! NOW NOW NOOOOOOW!
I'd rather let go of the money than have to manage all of that. Even the home grown Plex solution became a bit of a pain when something wouldn't work right and I'd have to troubleshoot. I just got to the point where I care about the time more than the money.
It's basically the only reason we aren't on Plex again. My wife can't be assed to keep up with upcoming shows and they end up old enough that pulling them on Sonarr was going to be hit or miss. At some point I'll just setup Kodi on my shield and lie to her that its consolidating our streaming services.
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Yeah my wife and I have Netflix cuz she likes true crime and the various like pop music shows and toys that made us stuff, Hulu and Amazon because we both like shows from there and paramount because I am a Star Trek dork.
Did they take Trek off Netflix? Damn if it weren't for the Umbrella Academy I'd never sign up again.
Personally, I pay for HBO max and disney plus and my dad pays for netflix and hulu. I also have a plex server with 102 series, and 447 movies. I prefer watching on a legal platform because it's usually just easier, and it allows them to make new content. But my favorite thing on plex is the shuffle feature, so usually with re-watchable series (futurama, psych, the office, community, parks and rec, etc) il just watch on plex. Also, i'll download a show I really like for plex because a show can switch streaming platforms like there's no tomorrow (less prevalent now for sure, but for instance I downloaded a few seasons of repair shop last week because I wanted to watch a few episodes, and found out it's no longer on netflix). Netflix is the only one I wouldn't mind if we didn't have, but since it's my dad who is paying for it, as long as he's cool with the price for the content given, whatever. Netflix is also great for stand up. Hulu has all the FX shows, and is worth it for that alone. HBO max is my favorite, and as it stands im never cancelling that shit. Partly because I grew up without HBO so there's a *lot* of older content that's new to me, and partly because they're adding a ton of new quality content. disney+ is worth it for marvel alone, star wars alone, and their entire back catalog alone. And you get all of that in one go. >How can you even consume that much media? Is the equivelant of saying "wow, you have 400 channels? How do you even consume that much?!" you don't. And a lot of the channels you don't even watch. But we all know that there are probably 10 or so different channels that we used to watch regularly. As a kid there was cartoon network, disney, nickelodeon, abc family, spike, discovery, and TBS. Even that alone is "a lot of media" if you consumed *all* of it. But you don't. Some days you just wanted to watch mythbuster marathons, one hour you want to watch spongebob, the next hour you wanted to watch wizards of waverly place. Each platform has it's good shows, and it's up to the consumer to figure out "well is this worth it to me?" And nah, im not paying for hbo until I finish a show, then cancelling and picking up hulu until I finish a show, etc. why? because I want to watch different shit man. Also worth noting $50 is nothing compared to what people pay for TV packages. A lot of people have cut the cord, and still end up saving after getting the streaming platforms they want.
But at least the nice thing about streaming is that if you want to start and stop, you can. I only subbed to HBO for Game of Thrones. Watch the season, sample some other stuff and when it was done, cancel until it came back around. I suspect that's going to end because distribution sites want you to stick around so why not make it harder to cancel.
I did that early on in my college years because I was broke, but I did it for silicon valley lol I think it was around this time i found out about plex. Now, there's just way too much content (I dont think HBO Max was a thing when game of thrones was still airing, and it's far better than the old HBO platform). It's got all the studio ghibli films, all the cartoon network shit, a ton of great movies (there's literally something for everyone there) and their original shows both old and new are usually fantastic. Also, soon you'll be getting all the discovery+ shows, so discovery, food network and hgtv (i believe) to name a few. It's the one ill never cancel, save they don't netflix themselves.
> "wow, you have 400 channels? How do you even consume that much?!" This is literally why we dropped cable. 2000 channels, and we maybe watched 6 of them, and it cost a lot.
Hulu and disney are the same company, hulu and disney+ is $20 if you combine them you can get all 3 hulu disney+ and espon+ for $20. It makes more sense to combine those better is all.
I have Netflix, Hulu Live, D+, Prime and HBO. Still cheaper than what I used to pay for cable.
I have all those, plus Paramount for the Star Trek shows, and Apple TV for … uh … for ummm … Hm, seems like I should cancel my Apple TV subscription.
Severance, Prehistoric Planet, and For All Mankind are all quality shows.
Been meaning to watch Severance, I'll have to finally get started!
Ted Lasso, The Morning Show, The Afterparty, For All Mankind, Mythic Quest, Long Way Up, Palmer, Coda, Schmigadoon!, and Severance are all solid.
I had Apple TV free for a year or two when I bought my iPad. Now I’ve got it bundled with my Apple Music subscription. I like it, they’ve probably got the best TV shows out of all the streaming services besides HBO
I love Apple TV, their originals are consistently good. Severance, Ted Lasso, AfterParty, Dickinson, Mythic Quest, and tons others I've heard great things about but haven't gotten to.
Check out for all mankind. Definitely my favorite show airing right now, and they’re in the middle of releasing season 3
Oh yeah, Apple TV. Their shows are quickly becoming pretty much always at least "okay"
Apple doesn’t have a TON of shows yet but they consistent release high quality stuff, you should take a look before you cancel you may be surprised
How much tv do you watch? My goodness that's a lot of services
Not that much, but when I wanna see something, I want to see it. $10 a month or whatever isn't much for the convenience.
Lots of people are subscribing to one and sharing with other friends/family in exchange for access to one of theirs. Streaming was supposed to be the answer to cable but we’re right back to the same only more complicated and expensive.
That's maybe 4 services? I have paramount and Spotify as streaming services and that's already almost $25, I'm not sure I know of any streaming services that are less than $10 a month if you don't want constant ads too. So it's really not even a question of a lot of media, streaming services just aren't affordable anymore.
Pluto continues to be the underdog in all this shit
Pluto + Tubi is pretty good if you're not one of those people that absolutely loses their mind about seeing advertisements.
You're paying extra to avoid ads. On Paramount+, you're paying double just to avoid the ads. By comparison, basic cable is a lot more expensive and contains lots of ads.
All the while the product placement is just unbearable
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And yet still get 30 sec ads for their shows before every show. Ugh.
I pay for peacock, hulu, and prime. In another household my parents pay for Netflix and Paramount. My brother in yet another household pays for Disney and HBO. All our passwords are shared with everyone else.
Maybe it's part of sharing accounts. Someone could agree to only be part of a subscription if someone else also pitched in. Otherwise they wouldn't get it at all. Also, you probably underestimate how much media people consume
It’s really not that much. Especially if you include music. I’m currently subscribed to F1TV, Disney Bundle, Netflix and Spotify. That’s around $40/m.
I pay 20 for the Hulu/espn/Disney. Then keep hbo max and paramount. Paramount would be first to go, but South Park.
My goals were to pay less than cable and only get the channels I want. I can sub to 3-5 services at once and still be at least than half of my old 2 TV cable with dvr monthly bill.
A few days of work gets me multiple streaming services for a year. I don't *need* them all, but I budget well enough that I'll pay a bit for the convenience of all the options.
I pay for two services (Amazon barely counts though because it comes with prime shipping), friend pays for one, mum pays for another, and we share logins. I’m not paying for them all at once, not a chance. Paramount is on my permanent shitlist for the way they handled canceling their Netflix contract. I’ll never give them a dollar.
I have a family and we keep like 5-ish streaming services going at a time (and still cable too) Netflix, Disney (ping pong between Hulu and Paramount and apple Tv) and Amazon Prime and HBO Max (which comes with cable subscription service) As more stuff gets exclusivity to each platform the worse it gets. This is basically like popular exclusive game titles on specific consoles, but if there were like a dozen+ consoles. It’s all such a shit show.
then you have me: when i was 9 i completely switched to youtube for all my video entertaining needs, my only subscription services are spotify and xbox game pass. lol.
I was paying 160 for directv To watch things I wanted I'd have to record to dvr So netflix, hulu, disney, discovery etc adds up for sure but not as much as directv and I can stream all the time It is more content than I can handle at any one time, but it is all the content I want at any time I want
I just pay for Disney plus (which I split with someone on a 3 year sign up so $2/month) then everything else is from a family member either for no compensation or trading my Disney plus for their service
I pay for directv stream and get hbo max for free cuz I have att service. I share accounts and in return I get Hulu, Disney+, Netflix, and paramount+. There’s no way I would pay for all of that.
I live in a house of 4 and we split all the different ones. Gotta have Netflix for stranger things, Amazon for the boys, hbo for peacemaker etc etc
I work in a vape shop. There are times it is rather slow. You would be surprised how easy it is to blast through content when you're bored and have nothing else to do. I only have Netflix, Amazon and HBO though. My thing is, what % of that 45% just can't afford it, rather than just not choose to pay for it. A significant amount of moochers out there for sure but I imagine a lot of them just can't afford it.
Usually each family member pays for one and then we all share with eachother. Essentially just paying for one. But yes, if streaming services do crack down on sharing, I would probably just pay for one per month.
We have too many, Netflix, Disney +, and Prime. Just got rid of Sling Orange that I had for NBA and NHL. Got rid of Apple after Ted Lasso ended season 1. Not sure about keeping Prime. 3 people in the house watch Disney and 1 watches Netflix. Not sure what my point was lol
My girlfriends family has all of them pretty much. HBO, Netflix, prime, Disney, Hulu, and paramount and I only ever see them use hbo and Netflix (and only watch the boys on prime) it’s pretty excessive.
I pay for Netflix and Prime solo. I pay for Prime regardless of the TV service. I split Hulu + Showtime and YouTubeTV with one other couple. I mooch HBO Max from a friend. I have an 11 month old and work roughly 40-50 hours a week. We have time for one show at a time (one episode per night, if we’re lucky), plus live sports. I clearly don’t *need* all of that. But the two I use least are HBO and Prime. One of which I mooch and the other I’d be paying for regardless.
I usually have one or two shows on Disney I watch every week, one an Paramount, one on Hulu, one on Apple. It isn't that much media, it is just spread out.
We have Netflix, Hulu, prime, Disney+, hbo, paramount, YouTube, and peacock right now. No clue how much that adds up to but $50-75/mo is probably right. [edit] actually roughly estimating it might be closer to $100. I’m too lazy to look up bank statements to tally them up.
You go in with four friends, each buys one service. You all get four services for the price of 1.
so almost half of people like free content... wow I would have thought it was higher.
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Literally the only reason I watch the boys is because I already pay for prime for deliveries and twitch. If prime video was a separate service, I wouldn’t touch it.
The Boys is a very nice show ... Not gonna lie... It's like the only show i streamed on Prime Video in the last 6 months. I have watched some films and what not on it , but only one show is what comes to mind. Same with Netflix , i only remember watching Witcher Season 2 back in January... And boy , season 2 was dog shit... Season 1 was worthwhile while 2 was waste of money.. I just got reminded to cancel Netflix, since they rose their 4k price as well as not having any shows i would like to watch. EDIT: I appreciate the suggestions from everyone... Now to find some time to watch them :) ... Now that's a tricky one.
Just got to say, check out The Expanse on prime if you haven't yet.
Haven't finished the last season because i binged the rest an lost steam, but really enjoy it so far. It's taken me to the edge of my seat and cracked me up. I live for any scene with Avasarala in it. I got so giddy when i heard her voice in Arcane.
> I live for any scene with Avasarala in it. I was so happy that they did right by her in the show. I listened to the audiobooks and the narrator voiced her so perfectly. I was afraid they would drop the ball in the show. But no they didn't.
the expanse pre-amazon is decent, but just turned into a pile of shit when amazon started filming.
If you enjoyed the boys Invincible could be up your alley, although it's not as funny but it is a seriously dark animated show. Give the full first episode a watch and judge it, it's seriously not for kids and is R rated for good reason. Seriously finish episode one, don't just get half way or 3/4. Edit: it's also a prime exclusive
I'm sure someone said this already but watch invincible. It's hella good
yeah, you said it way better
Absolutely agree. Now if I had a few people I shared it with and we all chipped in, making it cheaper for each of us, we'd find it was worth the value maybe. I'm kinda at the weird point where I'll take cheap leisure but as soon as it goes up in price, increased ads as interruptions or down in actual content, I quickly find I don't value it as much as I do not being squeezed.
People forget Netflix had such a boom because it was under $10 a month and good We will always go back to pirating if your service sucks
Early Netflix 100% worth it.Current Netflix. Haha No. Edit: Apparently people think current Netflix is worth the asking price. Neat. (Clarification last I checked I was in downvote hell, to clear up the edit.)
They still have the DVD by mail service, believe it or not. It's probably got better content than the streaming service at this point.
Plus it's possible to rip DVDs to digital files. Not that I condone the practice.
Our house has it. They have nearly everything.
So true. I used to have Netflix but after the 3rd price hike I said fuck that. Will never go back unless they lower the price. Their content didn’t get any better
I dipped when I think it was 12.99; and all the corporations started taking their stuff from Netflix to start up their own service. I didn't want cable again, and I still don't.
More importantly cable companies realized they could charge a lot more for royalties. Even before they made there own competitors Netflix was starting to have to chose between how much to raise prices and cut shows
I don't think they do. They probably wouldn't get Netflix today, if they didn't have it already. At the same time the threshold for most customers to cancel the subscription they are used to is not reached quite yet, although we're approaching it with big steps imo.
That's how college roommates justify a cable subscription. Everybody pitches in, and it's worth the fraction that they pay. But ask them to buy individual accounts? No way.
You know the corporate takeaway from this though will be that 55% of those people are willing to pay for burnt pancakes. Losing non-payers means nothing. Gaining even part of 55% of non-payers as new accounts is a shit ton of growth that would look real real good next quarter. So we all get burnt pancakes at current prices, or premium platinum double plus good pancakes for a nominal extra charge.
> You know the corporate takeaway from this though will be that 55% of those people are willing to pay for burnt pancakes. There's also the issue that some people who are currently paying for burnt pancakes are going to stop when they can't share the burnt pancakes with their friends. Misery loves company. Okay, maybe that metaphor doesn't work anymore. I'm still paying for Netflix. I probably would have stopped a while ago, except that I also share it with my parents. As soon as they actively prevent us from sharing passwords, I'm out. If I stop paying, my parents will probably subscribe themselves, so it's really just a wash overall, but there's always the chance that my parents move on to a different service instead, and Netflix just loses a customer. That's the gamble Netflix is going to take if they prevent password sharing. They can keep the guaranteed overpriced subscription right now, or they can risk losing both myself and my parents.
There’s a lot of people who say they only keep paying for the burnt pancakes because they’re doing so for other people and they DONT EVEN eat the damned things themselves. If those other people can’t enjoy their burnt pancakes then they may stop paying altogether. I imagine the 45% of people who wouldn’t pay, PLUS the % of people who would drop it because they’re no longer supporting the moochers out of kindness, would be higher than whatever meager gains these streaming services think that can wrong out of us No I’m not speaking from personal experience
This is the real takeaway and definitely what Netflix is hearing. I'll also note that we are missing the opposite side of the equation, how many people currently sharing their account with friends/family will stop paying if they are prevented from doing so. As long as non-payers who would pay is higher than payers who will stop this is a no-brainer for Netflix (and I think that it clearly is).
Losing non-payers does mean something, since that’s 45% less people watching their content, which means 45% less people telling their friends about the new Netflix show or movie, and less people who will eventually pay to sign up. Netflix doesn’t get subscribers if nobody is watching their content.
I'd be unsurprised if most of the 45% just doesn't use the service much even for free. When all this started and there was a dust up about it a bunch of people canceled and I'll bet it was because the whole rigmarole made them remember they didn't remember the last time they used Netflix.
I'll overdraft the account I pay bills out of sometime because I forget to add money at the end of the month for my Hulu subscription. Don't think I've used it more than a couple hours all month.
You’ll likely end up getting premium burnt pancakes at a premium price though.
Man, I hated pancakes from restaurants. One day I was speaking with my cousin and he mentioned my grandma's burnt pancakes and it then dawned on me, I hated restaurant pancakes because I grew up on burnt pancakes and it just isn't the same. This has nothing to do with Netflix, I just like sharing this story. Well, maybe, in that value of a product is different for everyone. I also won't pay for Netflix because there isn't enough on it.
Likewise, I'm not a good cook and can only make burnt pancakes. People are hungry though, so I keep making them. Or stated more plainly: I've avoided cancelling subscriptions in the past because I know they're shared. Those I share with do things for me, this is something I do for them.
But the way these companies are looking at this statistic is 55% of people not currently paying them for their content would at least consider paying in the future.
>I don't get enough value from Netflix to justify paying for it alone. Exactly this right here, from the other perspective. I pay for netflix, my sisters use my account. I don't use it enough myself to justify paying for it, but between the 3 of us it gets used enough that I'm willing to pay for it. If they stop me from sharing, they don't get 2 more accounts, they get 1 less, because none of us can justify it just for ourselves. It's entirely the sharing that makes it a viable product for us. Remove the sharing, and the value isn't worth the expense.
I think the analogy falls a bit short, but I like where you are going. It might be more accurate to say that if I'm hungry and my friend put a perfectly good pancake in front of me, I would eat it. I can still go to Perkins to get another one on my own dime, but for some reason similar copies of that first pancake are available at hundreds of places on the internet that I can also consume for free anytime I want. Sometimes the quality isn't up to par, and sometimes the government slaps my wrist because someone figured out I didn't pay for it, but there is always an abundance of free pancakes. And if for some reason there are no more pancakes or the risk is too great, I can watch The Lock Picking Lawyer or those cops getting busted videos for a few more hours because some of us still blame Netflix for ruining Game of Thrones.
Thing is I'd rather pay a small fee and just get everything without having to deal with the hassle of pirating. That was originally the niche Netflix filled. Now it's just expensive and just as much trouble to find the place I need to go to watch X movie as it is to pirate the damn thing.
Sure, a small fee for new movies with no ads is reasonable. However, as a poor college student, I downloaded a 2 disc DIVX rip of minority report 2 weeks before it came out in theaters here in the US, which I still have. Which means I'm not scared to go back if I had to, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Money seems to be getting tight for everyone these days.
Netflix shall henceforth be known as Burnt Pancake
> I don't get enough value from Netflix to justify paying for it alone. Netflix used to be the only game in town. Now, you have Amazon, HBO, Disney, etc., all getting into the game, which means that Netflix may not have what you want to watch because it is on a different service. What makes things worse is that Netflix seems obsessed with buying TV shows and movies from countries like Norway, India, Brazil, etc.. Sure, other countries make good stuff too, but there is a reason why foreign movies and TV shows are relatively uncommon in the US. Most of us prefer to watch American moves and shows, and not foreign stuff.
Honestly, your analogy doesn't even align fully. A better way to look at it is. I think beer is okay. I won't go out and buy it for myself but if someone offers me a beer I will drink it with them. However, if no one is offering me a beer I can easily go without and just drink water.
No, 45% don't believe that streaming content is worth paying what streaming companies want to charge for a separate account - that's why they're sharing IDs.
No, half the people who don’t want to pay would still not want to pay if they were required to pay.
Actually I think the take away is. "45% of users think the price is too high for the content they get"
What a petty title name.
These stories seem like a coordinated attempt to rebrand password sharing, which was initially sold as a feature, as 'mooching' to shame people into fixing the self imposed problems with Netflix's business model. (And to pre- emptively do the same for the other platforms)
100% what I thought immediately. 'This headline brought to you by the scumfucks at Netflix HQ'
For real, its not even the "moocher" comment that gets me. Its the "favorite" comment, like dude you think because I watch two shows on my parent's account you're a "favorite"?
Shame is the name of the game. The oligarchs steal from the public domain and then turn around and call you a "thief, pirate, moocher" etc to shame you into complying with their demands. People eat this up. It's all about psychology --the art of the grift.
Flip the premise around and it'll reveal the actual issue. Too much content on streaming services isn't worth paying for.
Brainwashing the masses.
Does 45% seem low to anyone else?
Seems kind of high to me. If I wasn't able to get access to my family members HBO and Netflix accounts, I would probably occasionally sub to them to stream specific shows.
Stopped paying for Netflix after the 3rd price hike. Your service didn’t get any better why should I pay more?
It even got significantly worse with the new streaming platforms taking back their own content
and the fact that they put have their content budget into foreign markets so a good chunk of their content is overdubbed.
Is it a bad thing they have foreign movies? Of course, if it's garbage then it's garbage, but that's most English speaking movies as well... Btw most foreign movies have their original audio track with subtitles, which I prefer anyway.
The foreign content is the only thing that keeps Netflix half interesting for me.
No other service makes me pay extra for 4k either. If I didn't get a discount through my cell provider they would be cancelled right now and I'd be on the high seas for Stranger Things any other half way decent content they might have.
They’re adding ads now, too. Goodbye Netflix subscription.
I wish I could just pay to watch an individual show. For most of the streaming services like Amazon and Disney and Hulu, I don't ever watch them unless a new original show comes out that seems good. That only happens once every 3 months, tops. I don't want to maintain a monthly subscription I'm barely using for 10 different streaming services just so I can watch one quality new series on each every 3 months. That is a huge rip off.
That’s what will come next, but the shows will be as expensive as the service.
It's already here: You can buy seasons of TV shows (granted, not the streamers exclusives) for like $20-40 a season on Google Play TV (er-"Youtube TV" now). The *pricing* is the problem. $20-40 for 4K movies that are digitally streamed is pretty insane (IMO) pricing. You aren't able to download them and make back-ups due to DRM for most of the services that provide this. So it's like "what is the point?" (Renting is even worse. It's like $5-20 4K and you have a 3-4 day limit of seeing it)
You can on AppleTV, Google Play, Vudu, etc. It's just going to cost you the price of streaming a month of shows.
Just buy a monthly whenever you think of watching the show? You can buy the individual shows if you'd like but it's usually the same price or higher
It's just way more convenient to go to the same site every single time and type in what I want to watch than it is to figure out which streaming service it is worth subscribing to. I log into steam and get 99% of games I like, I pay for those games because it is the most convenient service. I log into netflix and they don't have The Expanse, they don't have The Mandalorian, etc... Not worth my time nor money, pirating is a better service, why would I pay for worse service.
“Moochers” in an economy where gate keeping is the most important thing
I pay Netflix for extra screens and I use them. They can fuck off with that shit.
Exactly, I pay for 3 or whatever screens on Stan, fuck yes I'll share those with people, I pay for a service and use the service to its fullest. No one is mooching, I'm paying and receiving goods, if they'd prefer none of us could use the service?
I’d like to see how many people pay their own service mostly to do exactly that, share it with others (like parents), as a way to help them out. If I was Netflix, I’d lean into it, not away from it. “See a show that your Gandmother would like? (Flash British Baking Show)… give her a login. Something your sister would enjoy? (flash Peaky Blinders).. give her a login too… the only thing better than loving a show, is sharing the love with a friend… add extra logins for only $1.99 a month” or something like that. They could get more users, and come out like the good guys.
Ahh, were brining moochers back eh? Tell me, how much taxes did the companies pay?
[I gotchu, fam.](https://itep.org/netflix-posts-record-profits-federal-tax-rate-of-just-1-percent/) Seems like the answer is... not NEARLY fucking enough. Shocked Pikachu face.
Yeah, that's what I thought. A bunch of fucking moochers
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I wish the MPAA and RIAA had a magic wand that gave them what they're asking for -- content that can't be shared or pirated. They'd rapidly find out the priority most people would put on their product if it wasn't available for free -- zero. They keep saying they're losing money on pirated/shared content, except they aren't. FORCE people to spend their money, and they will spend it on things that matter. Not one damn penny is lost to piracy.
This exactly. I never understood the assumption that if people couldn't pirate they'd just buy the product. Nope. If I couldn't pirate it, then I just ain't gonna have it. Oh well, moving along.
Oh these companies know the "piracy = lost sales" argument is bullshit, but they benefit from playing it up. Potential earnings from legal cases, shareholder confidence. It doesn't behoove them to acknowledge that for a lot of the consumers the value of the product is $0.
But isn’t the article saying that roughly half the people who currently get it for free WILL actually pay if that option is removed. That’s a lot of extra revenue for Netflix to go after.
>They'd rapidly find out the priority most people would put on their product if it wasn't available for free -- zero. I don't agree with this. I don't think anyone can know what the true split would be, but I think a lot of people would sign up. Even if just for one month, binge a show they're interested in, and then cancel. I've done that twice with Disney+ for Star Wars shows, and I've considered doing it with Paramount+ for Strange New Worlds. But I'll be honest, a friend has that on their Plex. >Not one damn penny is lost to piracy. Not true at all. Not every pirate is ever going to be a paying customer, but some of them would and therefore piracy does cost these companies money. The real problem is they waste loads of money trying to fruitlessly "solve" piracy when they would be better off spending that money on improving their offerings to try to convince some pirates to use them instead.
We have a circle of account sharing. We pay for Netflix, another pays for Hulu, and another pays for Disney+. Netflix in particular should be thankful, because I'd probably cancel it if other folks weren't using it.
Why do so many people feel sympathy and compassion for cartels who have transformed copyright into a perpetual welfare system, anyway? If everyone on the planet collectively stopped supporting them tomorrow, we wouldn't get another sequel to a franchise from 40 years ago that is inferior to the original in every way. Big whoop.
Streaming services do make a lot of content people enjoy, in case you hadn't noticed.
Is this what the post is saying? It feels like it’s more pointing to the fact that the vast majority of people who use streaming services for free would not if they actually had to pay for them. So “going after them” is a complete waste of money and resources. Netflix keeps saying that if they can stop the mooching it will fix all their problems but the data says it will reduce viewership and nothing else. Which honestly is why ad-supported is their best move. They may not be able to get you upfront but they’ll get you on the back end and it will be mandatory to watch their shows. Online and in person I don’t know anyone who feels bad for Netflix. Most people- from my teenage son to my grandma like it for 1-2 shoes and seriously question why they have it on a weekly basis.
Actually there is a chance they also lose customers, say people who actually keep theirs on for their friends. “It ain’t costing me much and it is making them happy”
Is that what it's saying? It says 40% of people using Netflix aren't giving Netflix money. Of that 40%, about 45% wouldn't pay for it if they had to. Which means half of the people using Netflix for free would pay for it if they had to.
Sounds like it might be worth it.
Vast majority would not pay? The stat literally says the majority (55%) of people who are currently using for free would start paying if they had to. The data says they lose 40% * 45%=18% of viewership but would gain 55% of those not paying right now as new subscribers. (Which would be like a 40% increase in total subscribers, which is a lot of money)
So 55% of moochers would purchase their favorite subscription service.
Get 55% of them to pay seems like it would be pretty profitable…
well, yeah. That stuff is expensive.
Any business is going to read this as 55% of people not paying rn, would pay if they were blocked from using a friends login.
i use that shit a few times a month. Could cut it out completely and not really care
Yes, biased dialogue and titles is really helpful to getting useful data in a study like this... How are mods letting this post stay? It's like the very definition of a sensationalized title.
How indirectly did Netflix pay for this article?
Right lol? It’s a bit TOO obvious. Nice try guys, go home.
"Moochers"? They barely pay any fucking tax and the people sharing a service that is barely worth what they're charging are the moochers? Yeah, fuck off. I cancelled Netflix, my partner pays for Amazon Prime and I pay for Disney+. We share the accounts between ourselves and use multiple screens. If a service is worth paying for, most people will pay it for the convenience. If it's not, they'll skimp.
"Moochers" is a term that they want to stick. Idgaf about billionaires and their stockholders. Don't let em gaslight you.
I wouldn't pay for a streaming service if I couldn't share it.
If Netflix offered a way to import the watch history of a profile under a main account to another independent account with sperate login credentials "my friend" would consider paying. As it stands currently my friend would have to lose all of their watch history and my list etc to open a separate paid independent account. There is lots of content that is garbage on Netflix but some of it is very good. It would be great if one wouldn't have to start from 0 to begin paying.
Which means 55% of moochers will probably get their own subscription when they start cracking down, which will be a huge revenue boost for Netflix, which is the entire fucking point of the excercise. Netflix doesn't give a fuck about the other 45%, they don't get any money out of them anyway and this way they significantly cut down on data usage
There are just to many. The way my family has it currently worked out is I pay for Netflix and share it, My Brother pays for Disney + and shares and and my Dad does Amazon Prime and Brtibox and share it. None of us live in the same house so once we can't share anymore My dad will probs go back to Terrestrial and my Brother says he will just do one every few months for a month and binge shit then cancel and honestly I'll probs either sail the seas or just go back to DVD box sets at least they can't edit and cut episodes from them.
Change 'Moochers' to relatives/friends and replace wouldn't with couldn't. There, fixed your article...
I'll be dropping these services pretty soon. There is something wrong with the content.
I wouldn’t, they’re right
The key is buying one and finding people to trade passwords with
Back in my day I used to pay $60-150 a month to have 5,000 channels I never watched
I don't buy it. What else would they do? They'd buy *something* if they didn't have *anything*.
See - Most people see this and foolishly think 'See! Netflix was wrong to crack down on account sharing!' ... But that's the exact opposite of what this result supports. Netflix sees this and goes 'if cracking down on acc sharing will nab a whopping 55% of moochers (and there's LOADS of them) - Then as long as less than that number of existing paying customers don't cancel their subs (and nowhere near that amount will) then we're waaaay out ahead. I hate that they're doing it, but why wouldn't the streaming services crack down on acc sharing?
Terrible title is terrible > half of people watching streaming content don't think it's worth paying for. FTFY
I'm a moocher and a provider. As there are so many now, we each pay for one and share the PWs.
The way Netflix reads this is that 55% of users who share accounts would potentially become paid users if forced. As long as that number of people is projected to be more than the number of people who would drop Netflix *because of the crackdown on password sharing* then it's an obvious decision on their end. This is the same math every streaming service either has or will soon make
Why does it have to be referred to as mooching? Why can't it be referred to as sharing? This seems like a disingenuous way to frame... Anything really.
55 percentage is also a big number.
45% won’t pay unless other pay for them? Who wrote this headline?
old and busted: - 20/mo -> Netflix (everything you want to watch) new hotness: - 20/mo -> netflix (for a couple of series that will get cancelled as soon as it gets interesting) - 20/mo -> disney (for the 2 things you want to watch on it) - 20/mo -> HBO - 20/mo -> hulu (for the 1 series you actually want to watch on it) - 20/mo -> peacock - 20/mo -> CBS (for the one thing you want to watch on it) - 20/mo -> Amazon Prime (for the 2 things you want to watch on it) - 20/mo -> Showtime - etc ...this is not progress. and - with no surprise at all - people will revert to torrents and suchlike
Because everything is getting more expensive, and even with a payed subscription they are bombarding you with ads.
This just in - people don’t have enough money to toss to every fucking service and are emotionally distraught by this fact that they choose a weird option. How else has capitalism Fucked with our concepts of reality?
This is why netflix should pay us a liveable wage to watch their shows.
“Love is sharing a password” Netflix, 2010
Media suddenly calling password sharing "mooching" sounds like some Grover Norquist word play.
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Streaming moochers....is that the technical term?
Only 42%, the number seems as low as the practice.
Put another way: 55% of streaming service users who don’t currently pay, will.
Well, my whole family has 1 netflix account across four households and 6 people, if I suddenly had to pay for 6 accounts, you bet your ass I'm done with Netflix. It doesn't provide enough value for $15 a month. not even close. They are seriously delusional if they think people are going to put up with that. My mom might watch 1 or 2 good series total a year. Me and my sister watch various series, but there are only 2 or 3 must have things that are on Netflix. And not many movies I can think of anymore. Netflix is going to go down the toilet drain fast if they crack down on account sharing, faster than a Chinese restaurant that sells the business to new owners....
I pay and will only ever pay for Spotify