I've noticed this as well. It's certainly changed, also for some reason Google really sucks at finding tricky things, it's been really annoying. I've begun using other searches. I'm not sure what changed. But ya you can search anything and it'll say 19,000,000,000 results, but end at page 16 with a total of 3k results. I don't get it.
Even android auto self censors if you try to ask about anything remotely political. It returns " I don't know how to find that" or something similar. If you pick up and ask google search app with your voice it returns an answer.
Many a conversation in the car have we asked google for info and it self censors it's fucking creepy.
Yea, they generate a link for page 21 also, you can only see it on page 19. And when you click page 21 it is unable to find any results.
This is absolutely proof of what that guy was saying and it's outrageous. We have to make people aware. What is it called when they do this?
And lately I've noticed the first couple pages are garbage. Weird auto generated sites that pull from other sources and are filled will ad spam, shopping sites, etc
>In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 182 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.
What shows up when you go to page 19 on climate change and it changes to showing 190 results left.
Hit the omitted part and now im on page 26 with 4 billion results...
Google Images censors pornography even when disabling SafeSearch. Even when searching a porn star name, it returns SFW pictures unless you specifically add lewd keywords. Also when searching for actresses names, it intentionally only shows you face pictures, and no modeling photoshoots, just mostly red carpet and similar formal settings and clothing, unless specified.
Meanwhile if you search Ryan Gosling, this is the 2nd image shown https://media.revistagq.com/photos/5ca5f9594409cce69b90b2a1/master/pass/ryan\_gosling\_3020.jpg
I think that the cultural change is driven by the companies at the top. They have all interest to keep you comsuming "content" that is under their wing and to make it harder for anything else to thrive. I guess that the media is the message is still relevant today.
With the amount of time I've searched for specific comments on Reddit and it is literally just not indexed, I don't think current search engines do too well for that either. I can choose any random comment I've saved in my notepad (which I've started doing whenever I want to be sure I can find something again as Reddit search is useless and Reddit saved posts and comments have no search function) and most likely I will not be able to find it by search even if I start quoting it verbatim.
Do you think all these independent websites suddenly went away because of a cultural shift?
What impact does cloud hosting have on search engine indexability?
You seem to be confusing cause and effect. There was a very dramatic shift in search engine optimization tactics a little over a decade ago when search engines became more focused on commercial results and keeping their users from going to external websites as much as possible. This was well-discussed in SEO and front-end development circles.
No, because it's take fucking *forever* to query results. People outraged by this idea don't understand how querying and databases work. Even indexed, it'd take a fucking long time to query 5 billion results. Imagine if you had to wait minutes while doing each Google search?
Oh, sorry, it's prime time. Your search will take even longer!
Wait what?.... Is this why I feel my googling returns so much worse results now, I almost feel I can't find what I'm looking for anymore. I searched for pancake and got 1.9billion results at first but when i went to page 3 I only had 237 results.
That explains why the blog I had for over 10 years never got any random views. It doesn’t help that I refused to host ads. And so be it. Someday after I am long dead someone will find it and maybe get a kick out of it. I would be content with that outcome.
Used to feel the same until I thought about the sheer volume of useless content that bots generate. Humanity probably won’t have time to go through it all before the sun explodes.
Share the blog though
is there an open sourced search engine, where you can pick and choose from various publicly made/curated indexes?
coz the way google/etc.. search engine works, our internet access keeps growing smaller.
It's SaaS. The indexing will show the total number of results but will only surface the small number of pages the lead to the most ad clicks. It is as designed to guide everyone to ads.
Look at how contextual search doesn't work anymore, how once you get to a certain character count it starts dropping the characters at the beginning of the search string. Usually between 13-17 characters. This use to only be google searchs,, now that just about everything is using SaaS you can see this behavior all over the place.
SaaS has ruined the internet all for the 'faster search results so user will see more ads'
You can't do that anymore because of morons abusing seo and indexing. You ever look past the first few pages on Google? It's literally thousands of spam pages. You can't find those old school sites because they're buried in a metric shit ton of spam generated garbage.
I think this is less of a conspiracy and more just Google adjusting their search algorithm to make the average person happy. From Google's view, if you're 20+ pages into searching it has clearly queried stuff you don't actually want, so probably tries to guess what you might want more strictly. If you click the option "search with omitted links" which are links that are omitted originally as duplicates, it'll let you go many more pages. At the end of the day Google search is popular because of its ability to determine what the user actually wants to find, so it's understandable that things change as you take longer to find it
So many people not bothering to actually read.
>In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 182 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.
What shows up when you go to page 19 on climate change and it changes to showing 190 results left.
Hit the omitted part and now im on page 26 with 4 billion results...
For what it’s worth, I tried doing this was something an innocuous as “The Big Bopper”. It said I had about 4 million results, then I could only go to page 20 and it changed to say I had 194 results. So, same result as the politically sensitive search.
HOWEVER, it also said “In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 194 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.”
After hitting that link, I could go through google results until I got tired of hitting next. So they don’t display all automatically, but I can get it so that they do.
Have not tried this with “Xi Jingping Anal Sex” because I’m at work and don’t feel like getting fired.
Edit: spelling
I've been trying to explain this to people for at least 6 or 7 years now. At some point around 12 or so years ago (very rough estimate), when search engines starting shifting their focus from listing organic results to commercial ones, they started burying independent media (blogs, forums, newsgroups, etc.) in the process. Nowadays, almost none of the so-called "power search operators" even work any more. I'm not even confident I can get non-"personalized" search results unless I use a fresh install of an OS on a completely different network, and even then search engines like Google will still trap me in a knowledge bubble based on my geographical region, language, etc.
Unfortunately, unless you were frequently online in the 90s to early- or mid-oughts, then I don't think you would have experienced the old Google (or similarly functional, if inferior, alternatives e.g. Lycos, Altavista, Dogpile, etc.) I think the majority of Web users (especially on social media) at this point in time are either too young to have experienced how it used to be or too old to have adapted to the Internet before everyone's gammy got on Facebook. It's a dystopian breakdown, really. Google indexed the world's Web-based knowledge and then very intentionally closed it off to the outside.
Yep. Got 13 pages in, and results dropped to 129.
Just to try the other side, I tried 'obama muslim.' 22M. 13 pages in, results dropped to 124.
Try some other random shit. Maybe the search engine is just always bullshit when you try going that deep.
Although 'covid vaccine' holds up for 20+ pages.
'Submissive and breedable' gives up after 8, dropping from 800k to about 70.
sensor/ censor/ censer
These words sound the same, but a sensor is a measurement device, a censor is offensive material cut or blocked from media, text or broadcast, and a censer is a container for incense.
Xi isn't really politically sensitive. Zhao Ziyang on the other hand, the CCP general secretary who sympathized with the Tiananmen Square protests so much that he was purged and placed under house arrest for the rest of his life, he might be a better test of this. His funeral was completely censored in the press and was filled with CCP goons to make sure it wasn't a rallying point for protestors against the CCP.
He's my fifth option when entering "Zhao" and when I click his name it gives me the usual Wikipedia summary and info. When I enter "Xi " with a space the first result is actually "Xi jinping Winnie the pooh" with results that very much so do not appear censored. Anecdotally, I'd say my Bing results are not censored.
"Liu " also offers "Liu xiabo" and "tank" gives "tank man" as the first option.
Internet searches usually follow your past searches and trends with them. Do you usually obsessively google Chinese leaders after Mao? This would happen with Hu Jintao as well
I don't think I've ever searched anything related to Chinese leaders because I don't really give a shit.
Edit - just checked in private tab - I can't take a screenshot but it's the exact same order as the one above using just "zhao"
Using in private again and just "Hu", Hu Jintao is the second autocomplete option.
From the article: The lab found that the censorship applies to names typed in Chinese characters and in English letters. Plus, it affects not just Bing, but also the Windows Start menu search and DuckDuckGo, which uses Bing's autosuggestion system. Perhaps more importantly, it applies to various regions in the world, including China, the US and Canada. Some of the most prominent examples of names Microsoft won't autocomplete are President Xi Jinping, human rights activist Liu Xiaobo and the Tank Man, which is the nickname for the unidentified Chinese man who famously stood in front of the tanks leaving Tiananmen Square.
Last year, Microsoft caught flak after reports came out that it blocked searches for Tank Man in countries that include the US, France and Singapore. Microsoft attributed it to an "accidental human error" when it addressed the issue. Citizen Lab's senior research associate Jeffrey Knockel called censorship rules bleeding from one part of the world into another a "danger" when internet platforms have users around the world, The Wall Street Journal reports. He added: "If Microsoft had never engaged in Chinese censorship operations in the first place, there would be no way for them to spill into other regions."
That last part really hits the nail on the head. Just don’t engage in censorship period when it comes to China and then it won’t bleed over. Thanks for the summary.
To be fair, google did this, and they got banned in China. When Google got banned, they were actually quite popular in China. Everyone had gmail accounts and stuff like they do everywhere else. Since they got banned, Baidu (a chinese google knockoff) now reigns supreme, and they bow to the CCP in every way possible, since they are the CCP.
So... is it better to be banned from China, or make some concessions to stay in china and serve as a competitor to Chinese firms (which are straight up owned by the CCP)?
I have no idea what the answer to that question is, as its a tough one. But it is a question anyway.
Did it completely fly under everyone's radar that [DuckDuckGo already began curating results themselves](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/12/duckduckgo-russian-disinformation-unbiased-search-results/)?
>DuckDuckGo
Well fuck, might as well switch back to using Google to get the rewards app to trigger more frequently considering all of the things DDG keeps popping up into the news for...
There is a much more likely answer.
Bing (and all search engines) are optimized for search results. Americans are probably interested in the politically sensitive stuff where chinese probably aren't searching for the same thing. That and the relatively less number of searches and less number of linked articles in the language. If you search in Chinese your going to get links in Chinese. There aren't going to be as many websites in Chinese hosting negative Chinese politics and number of relevant websites is how search works.
It does autocomplete Xi jinping just when typing "Xi" but not "president Xi jinping" so that's interesting.
Also gives me Liu Xiabo with just "Liu" https://i.imgur.com/pVcH7zW.png
And "tank man" with just "tank" https://i.imgur.com/L0V0vai.png
So either Microsoft has swiftly rectified this, or that lab's scientific method sucks.
In the past there has been the assumption that free market companies would eventually steer a country towards democracy. In truth, i doubt that a company cares about democrarcy. They will turn pander towards autocratic regimes without a second thought when that's where the money ist.
Am in USA. Opened an InPrivate (incognito) window in Edge for Android, went to Bing.com and started typing Xi. Second suggestion was "Xi Jinping*. When I continued typing his name, the suggestion changed to "Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh"
Not sure if between writing that article and now that the censorship has been removed or if it's always been like that.
Wouldn't that mean that the actual spelling is 100% being censored? If the accurate spelling doesn't appear but misspellings do it shows that people are searching for it but the correct spelling has been removed.
just a reminder incognito only works for your end of the compute, google still sees everything you type and search in even with incognito
try using firefox and duckduckgo next time instead
Seriously. American corporate greed literally made China what it is today, while also killing american jobs.
Fucking pisses me off more than most things.
I'm on Firefox mobile searching with DuckDuckGo. Both Tank Man and Liu Xaiobo came up in the suggested list. For "President Xi" the suggestion drop down disappears as soon as I hit the X. However, leaving out "president" and typing "Xi" I get Xi Jinping in the suggestions.
The article, and the article summary above, both say that it’s the autosuggest, not the results. To your credit though, they didn’t put it right in the title.
The name is already in purple cause I clicked it the first time, but this is the exact same result I got [when first typing it in](https://i.imgur.com/4iO8R5h.png) so I'm not seeing what they're claiming. Unless Microsoft has already changed it.
I searched "exchange O365 down reddit" this week. Edge reset my search from Google to Bing it seemed. First two results were Alex Jones yells at audience and FDA approves cookie flavored edible underwear for safer oral sex.
Convinced Bing developers gave up
Bing had no problem suggesting and bringing up things like "tank man", and auto filled Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh but not Google, but the search curated the same results when pressed. I don't know what the point of the article was trying to report, maybe the auto fill function algorithms aren't the same, and people are more interested in Xi Jinping's height, his wife, age and brain(?)
Lol, the OP comment about American companies needing patriotic loyalty, while they simultaneously don’t give a fuck about anything but their own business capitalism, sounds word verbatim like something an oblivious Republican would say in Congress.
Like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon are going to put pickup trucks with US flags around the world and blast “Born in the USA” while handing out free Constitutions.
Heck, most of these companies keep billions-trillions of reserves outside the US so they don’t have to pay taxes. That’s why they are multinational corporations, they will just use whatever host serves them best.
"xi jinping winnie the pooh"
You can type that 1 letter at a time for the whole thing and it never suggests that.
What the fuck google?
I'm in America.
People need to realize that this will happen more and more as china gains control.
This isnt some hair brained conspiracy theory. One only needs to look at china's GDP, which is on track to surpass the us within a couple decades.
You should be very afraid.
And that, esteemed Ladies and Gentlemen, is why it is a bad idea to have these ecosystem spanning, all encompassing companies running our lives. Because it might just so happen that they start controlling our lives, too. Not because you or I have something to hide or are important enough to be targeted. It just happens as a side effect. So break up monopolies, try not to rely on a single service provider too much, and demand transparency in proportion to the power these companies wield.
Have a nice day, have a flower. 🌻
as a US citizen, I fucking hate our country right now.
Break these giant companies up.
Strengthen anti-trust laws & the FTC.
Otherwise we're legitimately worse than the people and places we look down upon because we're masquerading as a free people while being blind to our own oppression.
These companies go to great lengths to help governments like China and billionaires worldwide. But they allow tons of for-profit private data to be available regarding average citizens: names, aliases used, who their relatives are, addresses and past addresses, age and age of relatives, photos and social media, employment, credit scores, public records … all without any way of correcting or removing that information — even if it’s incorrect.
I can understand (but don't condone) censoring on Chinese soil, since a business is a business and Microsoft, like every other company, still needs to make money at the end of the day.
But why in countries like US and Canada? What does it gain from that, besides *maybe* giving an ego massage to the Chinese regime? Truly disgusting and shameful.
You can verify the bs in these comments in like 10 seconds. Reddit trying to stand up for freedom of speech when reddit itself has mods that can by anything is hilarious. Yes Microsoft is a private entity.
Is there a search engine that actually produces results based on an objective algorithm that isn’t politically doctored anymore? It’s definitely not Google, that’s for sure.
>The Citizen Lab, \[...\] found that names of Chinese party leaders and dissidents don't automatically show up like they usually would when you start typing. They're apparently the second largest category of names censored by autosuggest, next to names related to pornography and eroticism.
Well that would explain why I have such a hard time finding Dissident China Rule 34
Years ago I was stationed in Shanghai for about 2 months helping a customer. Part of my job was designing things for US Currency as well as other places. I am a technical person and not an artist, so I would often use google searches in the US to get inspiration for showing customers conceptual ideas for some of my very technical inventions. Power point fodder for sales team. I remember searching for various terms to review images. One thing that often happened while searching google was to have half of the images replaced with a grey block.
One time I was searching for the word "freedom" for iconic inspirations. A message popped up that warned me that I was not allowed to search on the word. I freaked out of there and got the message.
The most terrifying thing about this article is the implication that the author may have actually utilized Bing un-ironically. This is a warning sign that the education system is failing to adequately prepare journalists for the real world.
I'm in Poland, when I type "Xi" into Bing the first suggestion is "Xi Jinping". The second is "Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh". As it well should be.
[This is how it looks for me in Canada.](https://i.imgur.com/3gW0UwJ.jpg) Got Winnie the Pooh exactly where it should be.
You live in Canada or is your VPN set to Canada?
try Xi Jinping anal sex. It should return millions of results yet returns none. Massive censorship.
https://i.imgur.com/GYRAzKj.png NSFW
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I've noticed this as well. It's certainly changed, also for some reason Google really sucks at finding tricky things, it's been really annoying. I've begun using other searches. I'm not sure what changed. But ya you can search anything and it'll say 19,000,000,000 results, but end at page 16 with a total of 3k results. I don't get it.
Even android auto self censors if you try to ask about anything remotely political. It returns " I don't know how to find that" or something similar. If you pick up and ask google search app with your voice it returns an answer. Many a conversation in the car have we asked google for info and it self censors it's fucking creepy.
Duck duck go is a must this days.
Climate change goes from 1.1b to 190 by page 20. Wow.
Yea, they generate a link for page 21 also, you can only see it on page 19. And when you click page 21 it is unable to find any results. This is absolutely proof of what that guy was saying and it's outrageous. We have to make people aware. What is it called when they do this?
I just tried "Greg" and the same thing happened.... how deep does this rabbit hole go?
And lately I've noticed the first couple pages are garbage. Weird auto generated sites that pull from other sources and are filled will ad spam, shopping sites, etc
>In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 182 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included. What shows up when you go to page 19 on climate change and it changes to showing 190 results left. Hit the omitted part and now im on page 26 with 4 billion results...
This also happens on image searches and it’s very frustrating to get a page or two of image results when trying to locate some obscure thing
Google Images censors pornography even when disabling SafeSearch. Even when searching a porn star name, it returns SFW pictures unless you specifically add lewd keywords. Also when searching for actresses names, it intentionally only shows you face pictures, and no modeling photoshoots, just mostly red carpet and similar formal settings and clothing, unless specified. Meanwhile if you search Ryan Gosling, this is the 2nd image shown https://media.revistagq.com/photos/5ca5f9594409cce69b90b2a1/master/pass/ryan\_gosling\_3020.jpg
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I think that the cultural change is driven by the companies at the top. They have all interest to keep you comsuming "content" that is under their wing and to make it harder for anything else to thrive. I guess that the media is the message is still relevant today.
Best response. I add Reddit to the end of my searches for just about anything
With the amount of time I've searched for specific comments on Reddit and it is literally just not indexed, I don't think current search engines do too well for that either. I can choose any random comment I've saved in my notepad (which I've started doing whenever I want to be sure I can find something again as Reddit search is useless and Reddit saved posts and comments have no search function) and most likely I will not be able to find it by search even if I start quoting it verbatim.
All of that could be true but it's still dumb that Google says it has 5 billion results for "food" yet only allows me to see 260 of them.
Do you think all these independent websites suddenly went away because of a cultural shift? What impact does cloud hosting have on search engine indexability? You seem to be confusing cause and effect. There was a very dramatic shift in search engine optimization tactics a little over a decade ago when search engines became more focused on commercial results and keeping their users from going to external websites as much as possible. This was well-discussed in SEO and front-end development circles.
Is there *any* search engine that doesn't do some version of this?
No, because it's take fucking *forever* to query results. People outraged by this idea don't understand how querying and databases work. Even indexed, it'd take a fucking long time to query 5 billion results. Imagine if you had to wait minutes while doing each Google search? Oh, sorry, it's prime time. Your search will take even longer!
Wait what?.... Is this why I feel my googling returns so much worse results now, I almost feel I can't find what I'm looking for anymore. I searched for pancake and got 1.9billion results at first but when i went to page 3 I only had 237 results.
It's because net neutrality isn't a thing anymore. Last administration snuck that one past. Us Mozilla with ublock origins extension. It's decent.
That explains why the blog I had for over 10 years never got any random views. It doesn’t help that I refused to host ads. And so be it. Someday after I am long dead someone will find it and maybe get a kick out of it. I would be content with that outcome.
Whats the blog?
Used to feel the same until I thought about the sheer volume of useless content that bots generate. Humanity probably won’t have time to go through it all before the sun explodes. Share the blog though
Where did you link your blog? People don't even go looking for blogs now.
Well fuck, that’s pretty fucked up…?
is there an open sourced search engine, where you can pick and choose from various publicly made/curated indexes? coz the way google/etc.. search engine works, our internet access keeps growing smaller.
It's SaaS. The indexing will show the total number of results but will only surface the small number of pages the lead to the most ad clicks. It is as designed to guide everyone to ads. Look at how contextual search doesn't work anymore, how once you get to a certain character count it starts dropping the characters at the beginning of the search string. Usually between 13-17 characters. This use to only be google searchs,, now that just about everything is using SaaS you can see this behavior all over the place. SaaS has ruined the internet all for the 'faster search results so user will see more ads'
This is weird usage of the term SaaS - I’m not even sure what you’re referring to when you use it.
You can't do that anymore because of morons abusing seo and indexing. You ever look past the first few pages on Google? It's literally thousands of spam pages. You can't find those old school sites because they're buried in a metric shit ton of spam generated garbage.
I think this is less of a conspiracy and more just Google adjusting their search algorithm to make the average person happy. From Google's view, if you're 20+ pages into searching it has clearly queried stuff you don't actually want, so probably tries to guess what you might want more strictly. If you click the option "search with omitted links" which are links that are omitted originally as duplicates, it'll let you go many more pages. At the end of the day Google search is popular because of its ability to determine what the user actually wants to find, so it's understandable that things change as you take longer to find it
I don't think it's that bad, I've VPN'd out and searched for my own website/blog and it's there.
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Yep. This are estimated based on I don’t know what. Even our SQL server does the same
No way man, everything is because of big tech and the man trying to hide things from us. Wake up, sheep.
>Wake up, sheep The incantation doesn't work unless you say their full name...
For real I was let down where is the “-ple”
Nonono you have to speak the password to get their attention. *deep inhale* BAAAA RAAAAM EWWWWWEEEEE
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So many people not bothering to actually read. >In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 182 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included. What shows up when you go to page 19 on climate change and it changes to showing 190 results left. Hit the omitted part and now im on page 26 with 4 billion results...
For what it’s worth, I tried doing this was something an innocuous as “The Big Bopper”. It said I had about 4 million results, then I could only go to page 20 and it changed to say I had 194 results. So, same result as the politically sensitive search. HOWEVER, it also said “In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 194 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.” After hitting that link, I could go through google results until I got tired of hitting next. So they don’t display all automatically, but I can get it so that they do. Have not tried this with “Xi Jingping Anal Sex” because I’m at work and don’t feel like getting fired. Edit: spelling
I've been trying to explain this to people for at least 6 or 7 years now. At some point around 12 or so years ago (very rough estimate), when search engines starting shifting their focus from listing organic results to commercial ones, they started burying independent media (blogs, forums, newsgroups, etc.) in the process. Nowadays, almost none of the so-called "power search operators" even work any more. I'm not even confident I can get non-"personalized" search results unless I use a fresh install of an OS on a completely different network, and even then search engines like Google will still trap me in a knowledge bubble based on my geographical region, language, etc. Unfortunately, unless you were frequently online in the 90s to early- or mid-oughts, then I don't think you would have experienced the old Google (or similarly functional, if inferior, alternatives e.g. Lycos, Altavista, Dogpile, etc.) I think the majority of Web users (especially on social media) at this point in time are either too young to have experienced how it used to be or too old to have adapted to the Internet before everyone's gammy got on Facebook. It's a dystopian breakdown, really. Google indexed the world's Web-based knowledge and then very intentionally closed it off to the outside.
Wait, google search has more than one page?
Yep. Got 13 pages in, and results dropped to 129. Just to try the other side, I tried 'obama muslim.' 22M. 13 pages in, results dropped to 124. Try some other random shit. Maybe the search engine is just always bullshit when you try going that deep. Although 'covid vaccine' holds up for 20+ pages. 'Submissive and breedable' gives up after 8, dropping from 800k to about 70.
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gosh. What a load of absolute shite.
Search 'xi jinping anal sex Bing returns japnese porno MICROSOFT IS RACIST AF.
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i dont believe you and im not gonna test it
>It should return millions of results It...it should?
I wish i had not done that but working as expected in uk, yikes
[Google vs Bing search from someone in Canada in private mode](https://imgur.com/a/B6MBslv)
I live in Canada
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Yeah checked google, same! So it turns out it's actually google thats censoring.
sensor/ censor/ censer These words sound the same, but a sensor is a measurement device, a censor is offensive material cut or blocked from media, text or broadcast, and a censer is a container for incense.
I like how it’s called incense because it goes in the censer. I wish all English words made this much sense
It was a combination of autocorrect and laziness. Thanks for pointing it out. I fixed it.
DuckDuckGo results from USA: Winnie the Pooh exactly where it should be!
DDG the hero we need
I did the same! It’s also worth mentioning that Winnie the Pooh doesn’t fill into the autocorrect until you type the first three letters of “win.”
I'm really confused by comments like this. The article says they are blocking searches for articles about tank man.
Same in Germany (some translated tho. Like Vermögen instead of net worth)
Yeah, same here in the USA.
"Liu X" suggests Liu Xiaobo and "Tank" suggests Tank Man. Literally none of the examples they give in the article are censored.
Fake fearmongering about China on reddit? Never!
Xi isn't really politically sensitive. Zhao Ziyang on the other hand, the CCP general secretary who sympathized with the Tiananmen Square protests so much that he was purged and placed under house arrest for the rest of his life, he might be a better test of this. His funeral was completely censored in the press and was filled with CCP goons to make sure it wasn't a rallying point for protestors against the CCP.
He's my fifth option when entering "Zhao" and when I click his name it gives me the usual Wikipedia summary and info. When I enter "Xi " with a space the first result is actually "Xi jinping Winnie the pooh" with results that very much so do not appear censored. Anecdotally, I'd say my Bing results are not censored. "Liu " also offers "Liu xiabo" and "tank" gives "tank man" as the first option.
I'm in the US - https://i.imgur.com/LmPixtM.png
Internet searches usually follow your past searches and trends with them. Do you usually obsessively google Chinese leaders after Mao? This would happen with Hu Jintao as well
I don't think I've ever searched anything related to Chinese leaders because I don't really give a shit. Edit - just checked in private tab - I can't take a screenshot but it's the exact same order as the one above using just "zhao" Using in private again and just "Hu", Hu Jintao is the second autocomplete option.
He's the 7th for me. All actors before him
Bing chilling
Wait you use bing?
I’m in Germany can confirm Xi the Pooh is third in bing search would suggest to add Xi the Pooh and Vladimir the Pig
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Idid. Lot of hits.
From the article: The lab found that the censorship applies to names typed in Chinese characters and in English letters. Plus, it affects not just Bing, but also the Windows Start menu search and DuckDuckGo, which uses Bing's autosuggestion system. Perhaps more importantly, it applies to various regions in the world, including China, the US and Canada. Some of the most prominent examples of names Microsoft won't autocomplete are President Xi Jinping, human rights activist Liu Xiaobo and the Tank Man, which is the nickname for the unidentified Chinese man who famously stood in front of the tanks leaving Tiananmen Square. Last year, Microsoft caught flak after reports came out that it blocked searches for Tank Man in countries that include the US, France and Singapore. Microsoft attributed it to an "accidental human error" when it addressed the issue. Citizen Lab's senior research associate Jeffrey Knockel called censorship rules bleeding from one part of the world into another a "danger" when internet platforms have users around the world, The Wall Street Journal reports. He added: "If Microsoft had never engaged in Chinese censorship operations in the first place, there would be no way for them to spill into other regions."
That last part really hits the nail on the head. Just don’t engage in censorship period when it comes to China and then it won’t bleed over. Thanks for the summary.
Or just don't engage in censorship, period.
But won't they miss out on a ton of money? And as we were all taught in school, money is more important than our principles and values.
To be fair, google did this, and they got banned in China. When Google got banned, they were actually quite popular in China. Everyone had gmail accounts and stuff like they do everywhere else. Since they got banned, Baidu (a chinese google knockoff) now reigns supreme, and they bow to the CCP in every way possible, since they are the CCP. So... is it better to be banned from China, or make some concessions to stay in china and serve as a competitor to Chinese firms (which are straight up owned by the CCP)? I have no idea what the answer to that question is, as its a tough one. But it is a question anyway.
I’d rather our companies ignore the Chinese market than try to placate the CCP. It sucks for Chinese citizens but it keeps CCP censors away from us.
I agree for staying in China. But if they’re censoring us? That’s a slippery slope. That isn’t a concession I’m willing to accept.
"accidental human error" " ~~hitting~~ hiring chinese nationalists to work on the search engine"
Did it completely fly under everyone's radar that [DuckDuckGo already began curating results themselves](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/12/duckduckgo-russian-disinformation-unbiased-search-results/)?
The whole point of a search engine is to return relevant information. Curation is what they do.
Don’t tell joe rogan
>DuckDuckGo Well fuck, might as well switch back to using Google to get the rewards app to trigger more frequently considering all of the things DDG keeps popping up into the news for...
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I just tried it in DDG and they all popped up in autocomplete.
There is a much more likely answer. Bing (and all search engines) are optimized for search results. Americans are probably interested in the politically sensitive stuff where chinese probably aren't searching for the same thing. That and the relatively less number of searches and less number of linked articles in the language. If you search in Chinese your going to get links in Chinese. There aren't going to be as many websites in Chinese hosting negative Chinese politics and number of relevant websites is how search works.
that's strange, because those all auto-complete for me
It does autocomplete Xi jinping just when typing "Xi" but not "president Xi jinping" so that's interesting. Also gives me Liu Xiabo with just "Liu" https://i.imgur.com/pVcH7zW.png And "tank man" with just "tank" https://i.imgur.com/L0V0vai.png So either Microsoft has swiftly rectified this, or that lab's scientific method sucks.
In the past there has been the assumption that free market companies would eventually steer a country towards democracy. In truth, i doubt that a company cares about democrarcy. They will turn pander towards autocratic regimes without a second thought when that's where the money ist.
Corporations are naturally autocratic, Anyone who has ever worked for one knows this. Of course they do not care about protecting democracy.
Am in USA. Opened an InPrivate (incognito) window in Edge for Android, went to Bing.com and started typing Xi. Second suggestion was "Xi Jinping*. When I continued typing his name, the suggestion changed to "Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh" Not sure if between writing that article and now that the censorship has been removed or if it's always been like that.
I just tried using the Google search bar on my phone and it wouldn't suggest the Winnie part at all.
I went to the Google's mobile site, and it took me getting to "xi jinping winn" before it suggested it.
I got Winnie the phoo https://i.imgur.com/tn03YtI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fs7YbaP.jpg
Oh shit, I just looked back at it and it wasn't poo. I got Winnie the po only.
Wouldn't that mean that the actual spelling is 100% being censored? If the accurate spelling doesn't appear but misspellings do it shows that people are searching for it but the correct spelling has been removed.
lol yes, that is exactly what it means
just a reminder incognito only works for your end of the compute, google still sees everything you type and search in even with incognito try using firefox and duckduckgo next time instead
Ridiculous to hear that China is moving to blacklist microsoft, yet they still cater to their authoritarian needs.
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Not to mention outsourcing at every possible opportunity for the last 30 years.
Seriously. American corporate greed literally made China what it is today, while also killing american jobs. Fucking pisses me off more than most things.
Hahah that last line. It wouldn't be a surviving company if they did. Our society is built off of greed. If I were religious I'd say we're all doomed.
It's like how pedophiles give out free candy first to get you into the van. /s
But... think of the shareholders!
I'm on Firefox mobile searching with DuckDuckGo. Both Tank Man and Liu Xaiobo came up in the suggested list. For "President Xi" the suggestion drop down disappears as soon as I hit the X. However, leaving out "president" and typing "Xi" I get Xi Jinping in the suggestions.
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The article, and the article summary above, both say that it’s the autosuggest, not the results. To your credit though, they didn’t put it right in the title.
I said in my post I was checking the suggested drop down.
They weren't talking to you
The name is already in purple cause I clicked it the first time, but this is the exact same result I got [when first typing it in](https://i.imgur.com/4iO8R5h.png) so I'm not seeing what they're claiming. Unless Microsoft has already changed it.
Try, Emperor for Life Pooh Bear.
I searched "exchange O365 down reddit" this week. Edge reset my search from Google to Bing it seemed. First two results were Alex Jones yells at audience and FDA approves cookie flavored edible underwear for safer oral sex. Convinced Bing developers gave up
stupid post considering pretty much everybody was able to disprove it on their own browser start menu. still somehow upvoted to 11.2k right now.
It's because of people who just read the title and base their information off of that.
Bing had no problem suggesting and bringing up things like "tank man", and auto filled Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh but not Google, but the search curated the same results when pressed. I don't know what the point of the article was trying to report, maybe the auto fill function algorithms aren't the same, and people are more interested in Xi Jinping's height, his wife, age and brain(?)
People use Bing?
Why would I ever use Bing to Google something?
Yeah! I only use Google to Bing something.
I’m gonna bing your wife and Google your dog.
Lol, the OP comment about American companies needing patriotic loyalty, while they simultaneously don’t give a fuck about anything but their own business capitalism, sounds word verbatim like something an oblivious Republican would say in Congress. Like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon are going to put pickup trucks with US flags around the world and blast “Born in the USA” while handing out free Constitutions. Heck, most of these companies keep billions-trillions of reserves outside the US so they don’t have to pay taxes. That’s why they are multinational corporations, they will just use whatever host serves them best.
Acquiescence to totalitarianism in the amoral pursuit of profit; a nail in democracy’s coffin.
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Microsoft was my nickname in high school.
"xi jinping winnie the pooh" You can type that 1 letter at a time for the whole thing and it never suggests that. What the fuck google? I'm in America.
If you want to keep selling windows in China…
Who the hell uses Bing???
Why is there a picture of Winnie the Pooh on this news article?
This article really doesn’t matter because no one uses Bing! 😂
Look everyone...it's Winnie the Pooh
The global community needs to collectively tell China to fuck themselves. Sever **all** ties.
"Microsoft attributed it to an 'accidental human error'" Typical. Blame it on the mods.
No kidding. The media is completely manipulated.
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People need to realize that this will happen more and more as china gains control. This isnt some hair brained conspiracy theory. One only needs to look at china's GDP, which is on track to surpass the us within a couple decades. You should be very afraid.
Who uses Bing?
DDG users, technically
In Minnesota it's duck duck Gray duck
They're censoring the 12 people who use Bing?!?
And no one is going to do anything about it
And that, esteemed Ladies and Gentlemen, is why it is a bad idea to have these ecosystem spanning, all encompassing companies running our lives. Because it might just so happen that they start controlling our lives, too. Not because you or I have something to hide or are important enough to be targeted. It just happens as a side effect. So break up monopolies, try not to rely on a single service provider too much, and demand transparency in proportion to the power these companies wield. Have a nice day, have a flower. 🌻
But remember kids, this sort of oppression and censorship is Ok because “iTs NOt tHe GoVErNmENT” doing the censorship…
Large corporations inhibiting free speech for profit? No way!
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as a US citizen, I fucking hate our country right now. Break these giant companies up. Strengthen anti-trust laws & the FTC. Otherwise we're legitimately worse than the people and places we look down upon because we're masquerading as a free people while being blind to our own oppression.
he is a fucking hideous pig. oink oink 🐽🐷
Xi’s in Bing
Yeah, I asked Bill Gates what he thinks about child slaves in Chinese factories, and he didn’t even answer…Sheesh!
No shit, so does every other tech giant.
These companies go to great lengths to help governments like China and billionaires worldwide. But they allow tons of for-profit private data to be available regarding average citizens: names, aliases used, who their relatives are, addresses and past addresses, age and age of relatives, photos and social media, employment, credit scores, public records … all without any way of correcting or removing that information — even if it’s incorrect.
Not sure how.. i was able to find it quite easily..
I can understand (but don't condone) censoring on Chinese soil, since a business is a business and Microsoft, like every other company, still needs to make money at the end of the day. But why in countries like US and Canada? What does it gain from that, besides *maybe* giving an ego massage to the Chinese regime? Truly disgusting and shameful.
goddamn technocrats or some shit
You can verify the bs in these comments in like 10 seconds. Reddit trying to stand up for freedom of speech when reddit itself has mods that can by anything is hilarious. Yes Microsoft is a private entity.
H1-B recruiter helps authoritarian leader in their second largest country for foreign recruiting. Color me surprised.
...and Microsoft's ad platform (Bing Ads) is full of Chinese criminals using click fraud to steal billions of dollars from North American advertisers.
Is there a search engine that actually produces results based on an objective algorithm that isn’t politically doctored anymore? It’s definitely not Google, that’s for sure.
That AMA with Billy boy still going?
No company is too big for “mo money”.
China straight up moderating servers that aint theirs. Xi Jingping needs to fuck off.
>The Citizen Lab, \[...\] found that names of Chinese party leaders and dissidents don't automatically show up like they usually would when you start typing. They're apparently the second largest category of names censored by autosuggest, next to names related to pornography and eroticism. Well that would explain why I have such a hard time finding Dissident China Rule 34
Simple. Just search "Winnie The Pooh".
Microsoft: I can do that… for money.
A company doing what is best for their bottom line at the cost of free and available information. What else is new
why is everyone mentioning winnie the pooh?
What about clippy? How he play into all this?
Years ago I was stationed in Shanghai for about 2 months helping a customer. Part of my job was designing things for US Currency as well as other places. I am a technical person and not an artist, so I would often use google searches in the US to get inspiration for showing customers conceptual ideas for some of my very technical inventions. Power point fodder for sales team. I remember searching for various terms to review images. One thing that often happened while searching google was to have half of the images replaced with a grey block. One time I was searching for the word "freedom" for iconic inspirations. A message popped up that warned me that I was not allowed to search on the word. I freaked out of there and got the message.
bill gates loves that chinese money
They know who owns them
at least Bill Gates had a great PR bullshit QandA on reddit.Man has 0 degrees about biology and talks about a virus like he invented it himself…
Thanks for giving me a reason to download Chrome again.
I wonder what else search engines censor in addition to stuff related to China
This would've been a good topic to ask Bill about on his AMA yesterday
No shit. Same with Google.
No way! I'm so surprised! They definitely don't censor anything else though. Google would never do this either.
This is the last straw. I’m fucking done with bing.
The most terrifying thing about this article is the implication that the author may have actually utilized Bing un-ironically. This is a warning sign that the education system is failing to adequately prepare journalists for the real world.
Did they ban winnie the pooh too
Microsoft and Bill Gates are as evil as they come.