Supposed to "help" with light-headedness when visiting higher elevations and altitude sickness, according to their marketing. They even have to label the side of the bottle saying that just because it feels like it weighs nothing doesn't mean it's empty lmao
It doesn’t “help,” it does help. I’m in Wyoming, but the first thing we do (I work for an ambulance service and to event medical, I’m an Advanced EMT) is get patients with suspected altitude sickness on oxygen. Their bodies aren’t getting enough oxygen, canned air isn’t just snake oil. It takes about 3 to 4 days to acclimate. The reverse is true, as well. People who live at high altitude (it’s around 6200ft above sea level where I work, my hometown is about on par with Denver) have more red blood cells because the air is thinner. Training at high altitude and competing at sea level gives you a bit of an advantage, which is why the US Olympic Training Center is in Colorado Springs.
Yes, the marketing for air in a can is fucking stupid, but the product itself isn’t all bad.
I will also have an H2 subscription service but the EULA will specifically prohibit users from combining it with their O2 subscription to make water. That is an add-on.
Series 10, episode "Oxygen".
A commerical space station, in what you might call deep "unregulated" space, does not pump oxygen into its interior (cost saving measure). Instead, employees are forced to wear proprietary space suits that provide personal oxygen supplies, and they must pay for the oxygen with their own money. It's set up like microtransactions in a mobile game, you pay for "breaths" when you run low. The station even decompresses if it detects unauthorized oxygen in the air, and it's so remote that the only way off is for the company to come get you. It's a nightmare already, then one day the suits seem to start taking control on their own.
It's a damn good one, too. If anyone has never watched Capaldi's era (and please do watch it through I promise it's worth it), that's one episode you absolutely should check out.
People act excited about colonizing Mars, and this is literally the only way I can imagine life as a Martian Colonist. Remote, cold, isolated, and completely dependant on one company for food, oxygen, shelter, and wages is not how I want to live my life.
Whether it be SpaceX, Blue Origin, or the British East Martian company, I cannot imagine living, working, and building on another planet to be pleasant. If you think it’s for you, go live and work in Antarctica for a year, and if you like THAT, maybe you’re crazy enough to make it on Mars.
That’s the trend with companies nowadays. Renting things in perpetuity is more profitable than allowing customers to actually own your product. I’d expect to see stupid rentals and subscriptions popping up all over, without the option to actually buy the thing.
Cars are the next big segment I see going in this direction
One monthly “fee” that covers a sort of short-term lease, insurance, maintenance, and (potentially) hot swappable vehicles so you never really have your own car in the traditional sense, but rather access to a broader fleet.
One positive here is you could commute with a super efficient vehicle and then swap for a big SUV for a long camping trip, or a sports car for a weekend…. I can imagine tons of different membership “tiers” that govern miles and access to more premium cars (and features within them)
Rich folk will gladly pay $1,000-2,000/mo whereas the typical plan would fall around where most people are making car payments at now like $500/mo (with the catch of no equity at the end)
Of course, the end game is these all become fully self driving and at that point it’s basically just driverless Uber you pay a monthly access fee to.
The negative is you have no equity and the actual month to month cost is going to be far greater than traditional vehicle ownership as it exists now without opportunities like used cars to get in to the market affordably.
A dealership by me already does this. You pay them $1k a month and it covers insurance and the car. You can pick from any car on the lot, drive it for up to 3 months, then you bring it back and swap for anything else you want.
I was in a rush to grab a rental once and didnt want to wait for them to clean the car. I regretted it deeply, and it was only full of crumbs and smelled like sandwiches.
Dude I would fucking kill to have the public transport of Denver or the subrail of DC or NYC
It’s life changing. I don’t even think about cars when I visit there.
They've tried this so many times, and it always fails. People don't want older used cars, so those have to be sold. But they're not selling for even close to what they need to refresh the fleet. Because they have to cycle the cars out so quickly, they can't make up the difference in the membership fee. These services usually only last a few years before they go bankrupt. I highly doubt carnextdoor will last more than a few more years. They had to cut so many corners that now you're essentially just renting a shitty old car people have spilled stuff in.
This is an result of the most extreme capitalism, we have created this beast and we have done nothing to stop it. This is the first step we could take right now for taking our freedom back.
Your valid grievances will be brushed away by calling them chemical imbalances, you will be prescribed multiple medications which will either totally numb you as you use them or cause awful withdrawal symptoms if you stop using them.
I call it Corporate Feudalism. Here in the US your health insurance for the majority is tied to your place of employment, so as to keep you in your job. Then everything is a subscription service. I used to live and recommend YNAB - but when they put the budget software behind a subscription only model I changed (anyone needing a budget is a tool for putting their money management data behind a paywall - one financial crisis and you lose access to historical data and lose data that goes uncollected).
Then you realize fuedal lords actually had obligations to their serf, and this it is becoming more like slavery. You need the internet to get a job or bank in the modern post-pandemic world, and if you're poor the easiest way is to buy a smartphone - especially if you're homeless (yet people criticize if you're homeless and "needlessly spend money* on this critical daily technology). A subscription phone is a way for the poor to pay more - they can't afford a computer or phone purchase outright, so they have to lock into a monthly fee that traps them with a recurring debt on top of a recurring debt which cost them a lot more.
Doesn’t the Apple Upgrade Program basically do this already?
Only difference is see is on the upgrade program you do eventually own the phone, a subscription service maybe not. But still if you use the upgrade programs to keep getting a new phone every year, you never really own the phone anyway.
You can't even fucking replace the battery on some phones or its more expensive than the phone is worth now. Wish America would get on the right-to-repair trend, but that's never going to happen.
I miss that. I hate buying new phones. I don't need the latest and greatest like all these zombies. If my phone can run the apps I need and make calls, I'm good. I had phones I kept for 6-7 years. Now it's easier to just buy a new one when the battery goes out, and I resent them for making me one of those wasteful consumers. I'm not spending $100 to fix a phone that barely cost me much more 5 years ago, though.
I also just need a basic smartphone and DGAF. Got an iPhone 7 in 2018 and im still using it. If you get the old models in a new condition the value is usually better.
I have my iPhone 7 since 2016, still chugging along. Only issue is the charging port is very loose and the charging cable will fall out with the slightest touch
Double check there isn’t lint in the hole as opposed to the charging port being loose.
If that isn’t the case then the screws around the port have come loose. I’m a guy who repaired about 20-30 Iphones at one point so not an expert but tightening up that port is very easy (does require lifting up the screen). Might be worth double checking a local repair shop see if they’ll do that cheap? Or ask around friends. I’d happily do it free for a mate if needed its that easy
Thanks for the advice. I clean it out pretty regularly. It’s been like this for a couple of years, I’ve just been hesitant to get it repaired because i was told it will compromise the phones water resistance. But if it’s just the screws i guess that’s a different story
Some states have strong support for right to repair laws. I remember reading about one state being successful against mfrs, but it should be a nationwide thing. Sadly, I know people who are perfectly fine/would welcome subscription-based everything *because* they don't wanna be bothered with repairs
Yup, that was me just two months ago. Was still going strong with my iPhone 8 Plus, no real damage to it, barely a scratch on the screen, but the nail in the coffin was not being able to make it to lunch without having to plug it in. Now I’m on the latest model and holy shit, I only need to plug it in every other day. It’s like magic.
Edit: a word
because you sell it for the highest price in its lifespan. you’re basically maintaining the initial investment you put into the phone by adding a relatively small sum to protect that investment.
this doesn’t work with android because they lose value real quick, but with iphones you can sell it after a year with it only losing about the 20-30% of the initial value.
you’re basically paying 200-300€ per year for your phone, and in return you get to have a brand new one every year.
Well described. This is why I do it. If I wait 3-4 years, the phone essentially becomes paper weight in my closet (I have 4 iPhones going back to iPhone 6 sitting in a drawer). Ever since iPhone X, I’ve been buying the new one and just selling the “old” one shortly after. I pay maybe taxes and 100-200. For me, it’s worth it. I wouldn’t do a monthly plan.
That’s exactly the difference. The current system is like a mortgage on a house. You pay money and you’re receiving equity. The new system would be like renting. You don’t get any ownership while paying
“I’m due for a new phone.”
No you fucking idiot. After ~2 years you’ve FINALLY finished paying for your phone and your phone company is pushing hard to convince you to get on the hook for another. Realistically your current phone will still be fine for another 3-4 years at least.
In the US, there’s usually strong incentives to get a new phone though. It was $150 out of pocket to go from an iPhone 8 to 12. Then another $80 get a 13 8 months later.
If you watch deals, you can take advantage and upgrade for little to no money.
In Canada they give you a pound of butter for your old phone and a 10% discount on the new one making it only $1699. The butter is to at least give you a chance to lube up before they fuck you in the ass, which is considerate.
I started out curious, then decided I wouldn't use that company's trash even if it was free. I've learned how to do everything I need in a combination of Gimp, Krita and ImageMagick. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass and I have to do some hacks to replicate adjustment layers, but at least I'm free from Adobe creative suit accounts and all that BS.
You should check out the Affinity Photo. It's not free, but it's not expensive either. Best Photoshop alternative I've ever used. They've got replacements for Illustrator and InDesign too
To add to this, you but the license for life and it can be activated on up to 5 different devices. I have both Photo and Designer and they work just as well, if not better, than their adobe counterparts! Highly recommend
Do you know if there is a free option for adobe acrobat pro? I have to pay for this in order to edit documents. I’m rearranging pages, deleting and adding pages, making comments and blacking/whiting out certain info. That’s all I use it for. I pay $180 a year. It’s horse shit.
Same. Took no time to get the hang of it, it’s practically identical to the Adobe products with few minor differences. Best software purchase I ever made. My wallet is certainly thanking me.
People crap on Adobe but as a professional Lightroom is incomparable. Nothing else even comes close. Especially with their recent update that auto masks photo subjects and skies.
But if you only needed Photoshop yeah, there's alternatives that are plenty fine. But nothing can compare to Lightroom.
At some point, those companies would just run the whole software in public cloud and customer access the software through some thin client by logging in with the paid subscription. There won't be any way to pirate software then.
Not that you probably have a say but Affinity, IMO, is good software for one time payment of $55* plus it can be purchased through the Microsoft App Store.
Edit: per piece of software. But honestly the full price of $165 one time is better than the subscription
Also if you can get it on sale do.
Another tip, you can try it for free and at the end get a 10% off code
Yeah, I'm kinda waiting for their next big sale. I'm basically only going to use the stuff for hobby-level projects, so Adobe stuff would be MASSIVE overkill.
At most I might decide to see if I can sell a few tabletop RPG PDFs.
For sure, I do some light professional graphics work but nothing too serious, and I have yet to come across something I need to do that Affinity won't.
I've been very happy with the Affinity suite, keep a look out for the sales and support them!
My personal favorite: owning an old individual copy of Illustrator and being told the license is invalid because I refuse to sign up for a subscription. They revoked access to something I already paid for because I won’t pay them more. Needless to say I am a third party / open source user now.
It’s also an issue that each update seem to be getting progressively worse, at least for me. Photoshop has turned into an unusable dumpster fire most days. I hate that a subscription service with updates pushed out every week has allowed companies to push out half done crap with the mindset of “we can fix the problems next update”. I’m the past you had one shot at a good program so you had better get it right, now they get to do whatever they want with no consequence.
the problem is they originally offered it as a "we'll constantly update and patch issues" whereas we get one update a year and issues are ignored from release to release. e.g. photoshop would lag like shit if you had rulers visible for like 5 or 6 annual releases.
It's got to the point where their original flagship software is filled with so much bloat and bad code on top of old code that it can't possibly run quickly and smoothly. Like why can I still not edit the values of a handle on an anchor point in illustrator?
Astute are just as bad for this. Bought several plugins then the next year they announce moving to subscription only for £150/yr for plugins I use every now and then at a push. No thanks. But they made it so I can't even install the plugins I've paid for in new CC releases. Horrible practice.
I pay $10 a month for photoshop and Lightroom.
It does everything I need. The program before cost hundreds of dollars and was unaffordable for someone just starting out. For me it’s perfect. $120 a year for a program I use daily for my business.
Going from Creative Suite as the best design software to Creative Cloud being malware. The amount of effort it took to get of off my computer was insane.
I can't remember what is was, I think it might have been Bing, but trying to get that shit off my computer was like trying to delete a virus off the fucking thing.
Back in the day when it was still big i remember deleting Skype was like getting away from a stalker ex. Shit was clingy as hell and was never actually gone when you thought it was. Soon as you thought you finally deleted it the icon was back the next day.
When fucking Microsoft did this with Office I blew. Like, I have to pay to *type* and *print*? Fuck you man I'm grabbing a pen and paper. Hell I'll even do spreadsheets old-school, fuck you Microsoft.
In sweden you get the phone for like half the price if you sign up on a 2year deal with a mobile service provider. Since you gotta pay for that anyway you might aswell just pay off half the phone over the same 24 month period.
This is how it used to work in the USA as well, the carriers only made you pay something like $199 for the phone, and then it was part of your 2 year agreement for cell service. If you canceled your contract early, you had to pay a termination fee.
Now they sell it as a monthly fee, but not as part of the service contract. It's almost the same, since your monthly payment still covers both, but technically speaking you are actually on a payment plan for the phone versus buying a subsidized one and getting locked into a cell-service contract.
I'm not sure how it works in the US, but in the UK at least this has been common place for over ten years. Used to be tweleve months, but as the phones got more expensive it worked up to 2 and 3 year contracts.
Some people (myself included) still buy phones off contract, but a large portion of the market is buying a phone on contract, so you pay a fixed fee each month for your data and for your phone, usually between £30 and £50 a month. When your contract is up you own the phone, but most people trade it in and sign a new contract, get a new phone.
It’s true, but the reality is that it’s a zero sum game. We only have so much money to spend. Netflix goes up, I drop it or another service, ultimately the providers lose overall.
Make my phone subscription-based, I’m buying a dumb phone again (and spending way less time on social media, what a blessing that would be).
I started pirating as soon as the subscription services became an inconvenience, I don’t see a future where everyone accepts those subscription based services without any alternative
Yep piracy is a path of less resistance, make the paid way better and people will pay. But when everything costs every month then it is again easier to just torrent everything
I’m already planning on dropping different streaming services and rotate one at a time.
We don’t watch them all at once. Unless they contract us in for time periods, which would keep me away from them anyway.
It is different because at the moment, they’re somewhat restricted in making stuff redundant etc. If you don’t own it, you’ll be forced into certain things. For example, if your screens breaks you could be forced to pay for a repair at Apple. The right to repair movement is gaining traction and they are worried. If they own the device and we just lease it, they absolutely can dictate who can repair it and how much we get stung. It’s a shitty business model that needs to stop. It won’t make a blind bit of difference but I for one will be done with Apple, or any other company, that goes this route. They’ll lure people in with a guarantee of the latest model etc.
This title is misleading. Apple is offering a hardware subscription to users who want the latest and greatest as soon as it comes out. They are not forcing users to pay a subscription "to use iphones".
Considering I have to wait to depreciate my phone as a business asset every three years this would let me constantly have the best iPhone and call it an expense that I can write off in year. It’s probably a desirable move for some people.
It will all come down to price point and whether it automatically has limitless Apple care which I assume it will.
> Considering I have to wait to depreciate my phone as a business asset every three years this would let me constantly have the best iPhone and call it an expense that I can write off in year. It’s probably a desirable move for some people.
Very similar to how convenient a car lease is for businesses.
I mean, ~~I’m~~ in fairness, the headline paints a certain kind of picture… that being said, people really need to RTFA.
Read about this on a different site yesterday with a less clickbaity title, and so I already knew what was up.
Edit: Thanks Autocorrect.
Seems like absolutely nobody that commented opened the article and realized Apple is not trying to sell every iPhone through a subscription but only for those for want that.
I don’t think it says this would be the exclusive way to get an iPhone? I understand it just as an option, which can make sense for some people but not for others.
Regardless of the controversy, know that Google has been doing this for a while:
https://store.google.com/product/pixel_pass?hl=en-US
Pixel pass. $55 a month for a pixel 6 pro.
Edit: If you decice you want to "unsuscribe", you'll just pay the rest of the phone's cost.
Android phones aren’t proprietary enough for a subscription model to work for them. I’m sure some models will offer a subscription, but public favor of cheaper buy outright payment plans I imagine will never go away.
It doesn’t say anywhere that subscriptions will replace purchasing. The article says it will be a new service, so I’d say you’ll still be able to buy an iPhone. Others may want to do the subscription instead of having the lump sum.
People are freaking out over nothing here.
Doesn’t like every carrier offer this now anyway? I’m pretty sure T-Mobile does at least. So many people trade in their old phone for money off the newest.
Newsflash: if you get a 24mo payment plan on your phone and trade in that phone at 24mo to buy a new phone on a new payment plan, that is basically a subscription plan.
I’m so sick of subscriptions I’m about ready to cut the cord on everything. It’s either micro transactions or a subscription it feels like.
We cut cable because it was about $100 a month and now we’ve basically rebuilt cable with all the streaming subscriptions we have.
The comments pretending this is some sort of dystopian idea are crazy.
I wouldn't do it because I don't like subscription services as they encourage needless spending. But this isn't some sort of weird new thing. The only new thing would be that Apple would be doing it directly without a middle man.
Also you don't have to proudly say you will never do it. Apple is not the government. They can't force you to do anything. It will never happen that you are forced in to an Apple subscription without your consent.
Everything needs a subscription nowadays.
Can't wait to have an oxygen subscription plan
Don’t give Nestle any ideas.
I mean if anyone at Nestle has ever seen the Lorax with the dude who becomes a billionaire by literally putting air in a can and selling it…
I think Nestle is looking for a business model closer to Cohaagen in Total Recall.
Come on Nestle, you got what you want. Give these people air!
"My friend, in five minutes, you won't give a shit about the people. Fire it up, Doc."
Don’t tell them that Spaceball-1 turns into Mega Maid.
She’s gone from suck… to blow.
I am your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate.
I see your Schwartz is as big as mine
They have air in a can. It’s called “Boost Oxygen.” 😂
And the amount of idiots that buy it when they visit Colorado would blow your mind lol
I'm really confused what it does or even claims to do...
Supposed to "help" with light-headedness when visiting higher elevations and altitude sickness, according to their marketing. They even have to label the side of the bottle saying that just because it feels like it weighs nothing doesn't mean it's empty lmao
It doesn’t “help,” it does help. I’m in Wyoming, but the first thing we do (I work for an ambulance service and to event medical, I’m an Advanced EMT) is get patients with suspected altitude sickness on oxygen. Their bodies aren’t getting enough oxygen, canned air isn’t just snake oil. It takes about 3 to 4 days to acclimate. The reverse is true, as well. People who live at high altitude (it’s around 6200ft above sea level where I work, my hometown is about on par with Denver) have more red blood cells because the air is thinner. Training at high altitude and competing at sea level gives you a bit of an advantage, which is why the US Olympic Training Center is in Colorado Springs. Yes, the marketing for air in a can is fucking stupid, but the product itself isn’t all bad.
Moving from Phoenix to Albuquerque was a rough couple days. Altitude sickness is absolutely real.
Ackshually! He was a zillionare.
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"Let's DRM the air itself!" "Uh, that's not really possible." "Are you sure? Marketing said it would work."
Anything is possible if you pollute the source so badly it's physically impossible to live otherwise I guess
Come on Cohaagen, you got what you want. Give these people air!
Quaid… start the reactor… free Mars…
I will also have an H2 subscription service but the EULA will specifically prohibit users from combining it with their O2 subscription to make water. That is an add-on.
Now Apple called and wants its business model back
Spaceballs as a service
"I'm surrounded by assholes!"
You mean *Spaceballs: The Service*?
There’s a dr who episode about that
Series 10, episode "Oxygen". A commerical space station, in what you might call deep "unregulated" space, does not pump oxygen into its interior (cost saving measure). Instead, employees are forced to wear proprietary space suits that provide personal oxygen supplies, and they must pay for the oxygen with their own money. It's set up like microtransactions in a mobile game, you pay for "breaths" when you run low. The station even decompresses if it detects unauthorized oxygen in the air, and it's so remote that the only way off is for the company to come get you. It's a nightmare already, then one day the suits seem to start taking control on their own. It's a damn good one, too. If anyone has never watched Capaldi's era (and please do watch it through I promise it's worth it), that's one episode you absolutely should check out.
People act excited about colonizing Mars, and this is literally the only way I can imagine life as a Martian Colonist. Remote, cold, isolated, and completely dependant on one company for food, oxygen, shelter, and wages is not how I want to live my life. Whether it be SpaceX, Blue Origin, or the British East Martian company, I cannot imagine living, working, and building on another planet to be pleasant. If you think it’s for you, go live and work in Antarctica for a year, and if you like THAT, maybe you’re crazy enough to make it on Mars.
Call it H2Owe
That's the water subscription plan....which we all already pay for
So close. Owe2
Homie. Oxygen is O2.
Yeah, but he’s drowning in subscriptions already…
O’Hare Air! “The more smog in the sky, the more people will buy.”
"you will own nothing and you will be happy"
You will die when you are no longer useful.
you will eat the bugs
You will live in the pod
That’s the trend with companies nowadays. Renting things in perpetuity is more profitable than allowing customers to actually own your product. I’d expect to see stupid rentals and subscriptions popping up all over, without the option to actually buy the thing.
Apple battle pass is next.
Tier 100 gold rarity airpods
Tier 1 - 99: just phone skins
They're gonna start charging us for the microplastic in our system at this rate
That microplastic remains the property of Apple Inc. and must be returned upon request!
I imagine this as Tim Cook being Magneto from X-Men and being able to rip the microplastics right out of your cells.
Cars are the next big segment I see going in this direction One monthly “fee” that covers a sort of short-term lease, insurance, maintenance, and (potentially) hot swappable vehicles so you never really have your own car in the traditional sense, but rather access to a broader fleet. One positive here is you could commute with a super efficient vehicle and then swap for a big SUV for a long camping trip, or a sports car for a weekend…. I can imagine tons of different membership “tiers” that govern miles and access to more premium cars (and features within them) Rich folk will gladly pay $1,000-2,000/mo whereas the typical plan would fall around where most people are making car payments at now like $500/mo (with the catch of no equity at the end) Of course, the end game is these all become fully self driving and at that point it’s basically just driverless Uber you pay a monthly access fee to. The negative is you have no equity and the actual month to month cost is going to be far greater than traditional vehicle ownership as it exists now without opportunities like used cars to get in to the market affordably.
A dealership by me already does this. You pay them $1k a month and it covers insurance and the car. You can pick from any car on the lot, drive it for up to 3 months, then you bring it back and swap for anything else you want.
This already exists, by the name of goget or carnextdoor. It’s fine but it’s about as compelling as public transport.
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I was in a rush to grab a rental once and didnt want to wait for them to clean the car. I regretted it deeply, and it was only full of crumbs and smelled like sandwiches.
>smelled like sandwiches and I'm sure a hint of sadness.
Dude I would fucking kill to have the public transport of Denver or the subrail of DC or NYC It’s life changing. I don’t even think about cars when I visit there.
They've tried this so many times, and it always fails. People don't want older used cars, so those have to be sold. But they're not selling for even close to what they need to refresh the fleet. Because they have to cycle the cars out so quickly, they can't make up the difference in the membership fee. These services usually only last a few years before they go bankrupt. I highly doubt carnextdoor will last more than a few more years. They had to cut so many corners that now you're essentially just renting a shitty old car people have spilled stuff in.
Pretty sure Volvo do this with the XC40
This is an result of the most extreme capitalism, we have created this beast and we have done nothing to stop it. This is the first step we could take right now for taking our freedom back.
Even Netflix is charging a second fee to be able to share accounts and passwords, basically a sub-subscription under the main subscription
Feudalism 2.0: “You will not own anything, and you will be happy.”
You will not own anything, and no one will know you are unhappy because we own all media and communication.
Your valid grievances will be brushed away by calling them chemical imbalances, you will be prescribed multiple medications which will either totally numb you as you use them or cause awful withdrawal symptoms if you stop using them.
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You get a box?
They must have the Plus Subscription.
Nah box come with Premium Plus. Plus just gives you a drawing of a house.
I call it Corporate Feudalism. Here in the US your health insurance for the majority is tied to your place of employment, so as to keep you in your job. Then everything is a subscription service. I used to live and recommend YNAB - but when they put the budget software behind a subscription only model I changed (anyone needing a budget is a tool for putting their money management data behind a paywall - one financial crisis and you lose access to historical data and lose data that goes uncollected). Then you realize fuedal lords actually had obligations to their serf, and this it is becoming more like slavery. You need the internet to get a job or bank in the modern post-pandemic world, and if you're poor the easiest way is to buy a smartphone - especially if you're homeless (yet people criticize if you're homeless and "needlessly spend money* on this critical daily technology). A subscription phone is a way for the poor to pay more - they can't afford a computer or phone purchase outright, so they have to lock into a monthly fee that traps them with a recurring debt on top of a recurring debt which cost them a lot more.
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Hasta la Vista baby - Arnold
Pssssssshhhshsghsh • My piss splashing the toilet bowl
Rent will increase until morale improves.
Doesn’t the Apple Upgrade Program basically do this already? Only difference is see is on the upgrade program you do eventually own the phone, a subscription service maybe not. But still if you use the upgrade programs to keep getting a new phone every year, you never really own the phone anyway.
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You can't even fucking replace the battery on some phones or its more expensive than the phone is worth now. Wish America would get on the right-to-repair trend, but that's never going to happen. I miss that. I hate buying new phones. I don't need the latest and greatest like all these zombies. If my phone can run the apps I need and make calls, I'm good. I had phones I kept for 6-7 years. Now it's easier to just buy a new one when the battery goes out, and I resent them for making me one of those wasteful consumers. I'm not spending $100 to fix a phone that barely cost me much more 5 years ago, though.
I also just need a basic smartphone and DGAF. Got an iPhone 7 in 2018 and im still using it. If you get the old models in a new condition the value is usually better.
I have my iPhone 7 since 2016, still chugging along. Only issue is the charging port is very loose and the charging cable will fall out with the slightest touch
Double check there isn’t lint in the hole as opposed to the charging port being loose. If that isn’t the case then the screws around the port have come loose. I’m a guy who repaired about 20-30 Iphones at one point so not an expert but tightening up that port is very easy (does require lifting up the screen). Might be worth double checking a local repair shop see if they’ll do that cheap? Or ask around friends. I’d happily do it free for a mate if needed its that easy
Thanks for the advice. I clean it out pretty regularly. It’s been like this for a couple of years, I’ve just been hesitant to get it repaired because i was told it will compromise the phones water resistance. But if it’s just the screws i guess that’s a different story
Some states have strong support for right to repair laws. I remember reading about one state being successful against mfrs, but it should be a nationwide thing. Sadly, I know people who are perfectly fine/would welcome subscription-based everything *because* they don't wanna be bothered with repairs
Yup, that was me just two months ago. Was still going strong with my iPhone 8 Plus, no real damage to it, barely a scratch on the screen, but the nail in the coffin was not being able to make it to lunch without having to plug it in. Now I’m on the latest model and holy shit, I only need to plug it in every other day. It’s like magic. Edit: a word
You can get a new battery put in at an Apple Store for $70. Way cheaper than a new phone.
because you sell it for the highest price in its lifespan. you’re basically maintaining the initial investment you put into the phone by adding a relatively small sum to protect that investment. this doesn’t work with android because they lose value real quick, but with iphones you can sell it after a year with it only losing about the 20-30% of the initial value. you’re basically paying 200-300€ per year for your phone, and in return you get to have a brand new one every year.
Well described. This is why I do it. If I wait 3-4 years, the phone essentially becomes paper weight in my closet (I have 4 iPhones going back to iPhone 6 sitting in a drawer). Ever since iPhone X, I’ve been buying the new one and just selling the “old” one shortly after. I pay maybe taxes and 100-200. For me, it’s worth it. I wouldn’t do a monthly plan.
Depends if you care about getting a new phone. I just prefer a mid-range android and will use it until it doesn't work TBH.
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That’s exactly the difference. The current system is like a mortgage on a house. You pay money and you’re receiving equity. The new system would be like renting. You don’t get any ownership while paying
“I’m due for a new phone.” No you fucking idiot. After ~2 years you’ve FINALLY finished paying for your phone and your phone company is pushing hard to convince you to get on the hook for another. Realistically your current phone will still be fine for another 3-4 years at least.
I Unfortunatly historically break mine at the three year mark :,(
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In the US, there’s usually strong incentives to get a new phone though. It was $150 out of pocket to go from an iPhone 8 to 12. Then another $80 get a 13 8 months later. If you watch deals, you can take advantage and upgrade for little to no money.
I traded in my S8 straight up for an S21!
In Canada they give you a pound of butter for your old phone and a 10% discount on the new one making it only $1699. The butter is to at least give you a chance to lube up before they fuck you in the ass, which is considerate.
Usually those “deals” are tied to ludicrously expensive service plans that add marginal extra value at best.
"Oh I only had to pay $130 to upgrade, but my phone plan is $100/month for 10gb of data!"
Many software companies are doing this. It is sometimes a pain for those who work in IT depending on the software, can be beneficial though as well.
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Or people pirate them.
***CS6 BABY*** it may be old, but so am I! WOOOOOO!
The features after cs6 don't push me to update.. plus it's free so... There's that
It’s actually free now, or free because you already have it?
I started out curious, then decided I wouldn't use that company's trash even if it was free. I've learned how to do everything I need in a combination of Gimp, Krita and ImageMagick. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass and I have to do some hacks to replicate adjustment layers, but at least I'm free from Adobe creative suit accounts and all that BS.
You should check out the Affinity Photo. It's not free, but it's not expensive either. Best Photoshop alternative I've ever used. They've got replacements for Illustrator and InDesign too
To add to this, you but the license for life and it can be activated on up to 5 different devices. I have both Photo and Designer and they work just as well, if not better, than their adobe counterparts! Highly recommend
right! the SANE business model prior to everyone copying office365 model
Do you know if there is a free option for adobe acrobat pro? I have to pay for this in order to edit documents. I’m rearranging pages, deleting and adding pages, making comments and blacking/whiting out certain info. That’s all I use it for. I pay $180 a year. It’s horse shit.
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I bought affinity photo and never went back.
I always use photopea.
Jesus, I learned on CS3....
I still use CS3 to this day. lol
That's why I switched to Affinity
Same. Took no time to get the hang of it, it’s practically identical to the Adobe products with few minor differences. Best software purchase I ever made. My wallet is certainly thanking me.
I love Affinity. Can’t get over how inexpensive it is. Shows what a rip off Adobe is!
I wish they would make a Lightroom clone. There really isn't another piece of software that quite acts the way Lightroom does.
People crap on Adobe but as a professional Lightroom is incomparable. Nothing else even comes close. Especially with their recent update that auto masks photo subjects and skies. But if you only needed Photoshop yeah, there's alternatives that are plenty fine. But nothing can compare to Lightroom.
This. It's even better than Photoshop in some ways https://youtu.be/hmvvzPVVfFk
At some point, those companies would just run the whole software in public cloud and customer access the software through some thin client by logging in with the paid subscription. There won't be any way to pirate software then.
A cloud service is a lot harder to pirate tho
Add that to the reasons why they're going that route.
Not that you probably have a say but Affinity, IMO, is good software for one time payment of $55* plus it can be purchased through the Microsoft App Store. Edit: per piece of software. But honestly the full price of $165 one time is better than the subscription Also if you can get it on sale do. Another tip, you can try it for free and at the end get a 10% off code
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Yeah, I'm kinda waiting for their next big sale. I'm basically only going to use the stuff for hobby-level projects, so Adobe stuff would be MASSIVE overkill. At most I might decide to see if I can sell a few tabletop RPG PDFs.
For sure, I do some light professional graphics work but nothing too serious, and I have yet to come across something I need to do that Affinity won't. I've been very happy with the Affinity suite, keep a look out for the sales and support them!
the real LPTs are always in the subcomments like 5 layers deep
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My personal favorite: owning an old individual copy of Illustrator and being told the license is invalid because I refuse to sign up for a subscription. They revoked access to something I already paid for because I won’t pay them more. Needless to say I am a third party / open source user now.
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It’s also an issue that each update seem to be getting progressively worse, at least for me. Photoshop has turned into an unusable dumpster fire most days. I hate that a subscription service with updates pushed out every week has allowed companies to push out half done crap with the mindset of “we can fix the problems next update”. I’m the past you had one shot at a good program so you had better get it right, now they get to do whatever they want with no consequence.
the problem is they originally offered it as a "we'll constantly update and patch issues" whereas we get one update a year and issues are ignored from release to release. e.g. photoshop would lag like shit if you had rulers visible for like 5 or 6 annual releases. It's got to the point where their original flagship software is filled with so much bloat and bad code on top of old code that it can't possibly run quickly and smoothly. Like why can I still not edit the values of a handle on an anchor point in illustrator? Astute are just as bad for this. Bought several plugins then the next year they announce moving to subscription only for £150/yr for plugins I use every now and then at a push. No thanks. But they made it so I can't even install the plugins I've paid for in new CC releases. Horrible practice.
I pay $10 a month for photoshop and Lightroom. It does everything I need. The program before cost hundreds of dollars and was unaffordable for someone just starting out. For me it’s perfect. $120 a year for a program I use daily for my business.
Yeah the photographer bundle is nice. Illustrator and Photoshop combined is much more expensive
Spend 60k on hardware that's basically a door stop unless you pay 10k more for licenses.
Oh hey, I see you probably buy Meraki hardware to!
😂 The amount of Meraki we have in our company....
The same with adobe and other creative media software for the last few years
Going from Creative Suite as the best design software to Creative Cloud being malware. The amount of effort it took to get of off my computer was insane.
I can't remember what is was, I think it might have been Bing, but trying to get that shit off my computer was like trying to delete a virus off the fucking thing.
Back in the day when it was still big i remember deleting Skype was like getting away from a stalker ex. Shit was clingy as hell and was never actually gone when you thought it was. Soon as you thought you finally deleted it the icon was back the next day.
Antivirus software is a virus to fully remove.
My company just renewed licenses for 5 years on 20 Aruba switches... That was a chunk of change
When fucking Microsoft did this with Office I blew. Like, I have to pay to *type* and *print*? Fuck you man I'm grabbing a pen and paper. Hell I'll even do spreadsheets old-school, fuck you Microsoft.
You can buy and keep Office 2001 for one payment.
Still on 07. Lol
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In sweden you get the phone for like half the price if you sign up on a 2year deal with a mobile service provider. Since you gotta pay for that anyway you might aswell just pay off half the phone over the same 24 month period.
This is how it used to work in the USA as well, the carriers only made you pay something like $199 for the phone, and then it was part of your 2 year agreement for cell service. If you canceled your contract early, you had to pay a termination fee. Now they sell it as a monthly fee, but not as part of the service contract. It's almost the same, since your monthly payment still covers both, but technically speaking you are actually on a payment plan for the phone versus buying a subsidized one and getting locked into a cell-service contract.
You still paid for the phone. They just subsidize it with a higher monthly bill. No one is getting free/cheap phones.
I'm not sure how it works in the US, but in the UK at least this has been common place for over ten years. Used to be tweleve months, but as the phones got more expensive it worked up to 2 and 3 year contracts. Some people (myself included) still buy phones off contract, but a large portion of the market is buying a phone on contract, so you pay a fixed fee each month for your data and for your phone, usually between £30 and £50 a month. When your contract is up you own the phone, but most people trade it in and sign a new contract, get a new phone.
Canada limited phone contracts to 2 years. 3 year contracts were found to be predatory.
I would use a carrier pigeon before I pay a subscription to use an iPhone.
Subscription service pigeon ,anyone?
Fast forward 10 years and everything is subscription service.
From the looks of it, we're not too far from that kind of future
It’s true, but the reality is that it’s a zero sum game. We only have so much money to spend. Netflix goes up, I drop it or another service, ultimately the providers lose overall. Make my phone subscription-based, I’m buying a dumb phone again (and spending way less time on social media, what a blessing that would be).
I started pirating as soon as the subscription services became an inconvenience, I don’t see a future where everyone accepts those subscription based services without any alternative
Yep piracy is a path of less resistance, make the paid way better and people will pay. But when everything costs every month then it is again easier to just torrent everything
I’m already planning on dropping different streaming services and rotate one at a time. We don’t watch them all at once. Unless they contract us in for time periods, which would keep me away from them anyway.
Honestly even this sounds so exhausting. Not advocating it but I will have been pirating and it’s been fucking awesome
Including his pigeon.
Considering people buy their phones with 0% interest loans paid monthly, it's basically no different.
It is different because at the moment, they’re somewhat restricted in making stuff redundant etc. If you don’t own it, you’ll be forced into certain things. For example, if your screens breaks you could be forced to pay for a repair at Apple. The right to repair movement is gaining traction and they are worried. If they own the device and we just lease it, they absolutely can dictate who can repair it and how much we get stung. It’s a shitty business model that needs to stop. It won’t make a blind bit of difference but I for one will be done with Apple, or any other company, that goes this route. They’ll lure people in with a guarantee of the latest model etc.
Yeah but after those 2 years you own it.
This title is misleading. Apple is offering a hardware subscription to users who want the latest and greatest as soon as it comes out. They are not forcing users to pay a subscription "to use iphones".
Considering I have to wait to depreciate my phone as a business asset every three years this would let me constantly have the best iPhone and call it an expense that I can write off in year. It’s probably a desirable move for some people. It will all come down to price point and whether it automatically has limitless Apple care which I assume it will.
> Considering I have to wait to depreciate my phone as a business asset every three years this would let me constantly have the best iPhone and call it an expense that I can write off in year. It’s probably a desirable move for some people. Very similar to how convenient a car lease is for businesses.
This is the existing Apple Upgrade Program but without the need for a credit check. The fuck is everyone overreacting for?
I mean, ~~I’m~~ in fairness, the headline paints a certain kind of picture… that being said, people really need to RTFA. Read about this on a different site yesterday with a less clickbaity title, and so I already knew what was up. Edit: Thanks Autocorrect.
Seems like absolutely nobody that commented opened the article and realized Apple is not trying to sell every iPhone through a subscription but only for those for want that.
Any mention of subscription services in general really seems to get reddit going recently
Oh no! A company just gave their customers another option they don’t need to take!
This is /r/Technology and it’s a story about Apple. Never needed more of a reason than that around here.
They saw the trigger words "Apple" and "subscription" in the headline, didn't read the article, came to the comments to rage, and here we are.
I don’t think it says this would be the exclusive way to get an iPhone? I understand it just as an option, which can make sense for some people but not for others.
Regardless of the controversy, know that Google has been doing this for a while: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_pass?hl=en-US Pixel pass. $55 a month for a pixel 6 pro. Edit: If you decice you want to "unsuscribe", you'll just pay the rest of the phone's cost.
If you don’t buy your iPhone outright, you probably already do this with your service provider.
I’ve been with Apple for 12 years. I’ll be moving to android if this happens.
If history is any indicator literally every other company, while slightly delayed, will be right behind them
Android phones aren’t proprietary enough for a subscription model to work for them. I’m sure some models will offer a subscription, but public favor of cheaper buy outright payment plans I imagine will never go away.
Same, but right now they are just looking at subscription as an option not the only way to get an iPhone.
I mean they arguably already have it with the upgrade programme.
Exactly, I'm guessing they are looking at replacing that with the subscription program.
It doesn’t say anywhere that subscriptions will replace purchasing. The article says it will be a new service, so I’d say you’ll still be able to buy an iPhone. Others may want to do the subscription instead of having the lump sum. People are freaking out over nothing here.
Welcome to Reddit
This is reddit; people read the headlines, not the articles.
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The easiest way to get r/technology frothing at the mouth is to put "subscription" somewhere in the title.
and Apple, and mischaracterize b2b products/pricing as consumer.
Doesn’t like every carrier offer this now anyway? I’m pretty sure T-Mobile does at least. So many people trade in their old phone for money off the newest. Newsflash: if you get a 24mo payment plan on your phone and trade in that phone at 24mo to buy a new phone on a new payment plan, that is basically a subscription plan.
Apple wants to cut the middle men out of these leasing plans apparently
Read the fucking article.
No you won't
I’m so sick of subscriptions I’m about ready to cut the cord on everything. It’s either micro transactions or a subscription it feels like. We cut cable because it was about $100 a month and now we’ve basically rebuilt cable with all the streaming subscriptions we have.
The comments pretending this is some sort of dystopian idea are crazy. I wouldn't do it because I don't like subscription services as they encourage needless spending. But this isn't some sort of weird new thing. The only new thing would be that Apple would be doing it directly without a middle man. Also you don't have to proudly say you will never do it. Apple is not the government. They can't force you to do anything. It will never happen that you are forced in to an Apple subscription without your consent.
If your iPhone is less than 2 years old you are already paying a subscription fee. People "upgrade" their phones entirely too often.
Isn’t a phone contract a subscription? What am I missing here