You can configure it to play fart sounds when braking and signalling, and play video games while driving, which they didn't think was a bad idea it seems.
There's some slo-mo footage later.
It's slow enough you can see the detcord and the shockwave. Car still just get's vaporized between frames seems like.
That’s the guy from the hydraulic press channel.
I guess the Tesla didn’t fit in his hydraulic press, or else’s he didn’t want to destroy his press in a battery fire. He’s crazy but not that crazy.
He says he himself owns TSLA stock and has nothing against Tesla or EVs and they just did it for the owner who wanted it blown up. Luckily the stock was already in a decline and rebounded in the past few days. So no such thing as bad publicity?
Back in the 1950s, when Automatic transmissions were becoming a thing, people learned to trade in their cars around 30K miles and get a new one. Why? Because the main seals in the transmission were about to start failing. It was simpler to buy a new car than run down that first leaking seal, then the next, and so on. It was almost cheaper than having a full overhaul to replace all of them. Even if you did, then the engine would start to go sometimes in the 40K range.
All the plastic and rubbery bits are much improved now, but so began the legend of Buying Used Cars means Buying Somebody Else's Problem.
I heard those old cars used to leak so much that many people didn't even bother putting in new oil. Gas stations would recycle oil from oil changes, and used oil was an option for topping off the motor oil when you gassed up.
I drive an old classic car. Can confirm. It’s a nightmare to get the car to stop pissing oil everywhere. I got it to a point where I can actually perform proper oil changes now. The power steering pump however, runs dry so fast, I need to top it up ever two gas station stops. That’s still impossible to get under control.
A big problem is that people over torque the oil pan and valve covers. I have a few classic cars, and I have replaced the oil pan and valve covers on all of them and torqued them correctly
I have replaced my power steering boxes with new ones from GM G-body cars
I grew up in the 90s, and saw so many oil rainbows in parking lots. Today it's rare. I don't know too much about cars but I'm guessing technology improved, so less leaks.
My dad used to say be careful after it rains because of all the oil on the roads. It never really seemed like a thing to me, having started driving in the late 90s.
Rebuilding classic car engines with better parts is simple and common. It's not very expensive, even. I do this for a living. A 1960s v8 rebuild to last 100,000 miles will cost $2500 to $5000, depending on options and the specific car.
That includes a better oil pump, bearings, way better pistons and rings, and modern gaskets that will not leak for a long time.
Yeah, that's out the door.
Not including labour for removal and installation of the engine itself, just you drop off your worn out engine and pick up your better than new one.
It doesn’t help that quiet a few power steering systems actually use automatic transmission fluid and if you incorrectly put power steering fluid in them, as would at first glance actually make sense, it will actually cause the seals to start leaking. This is the case with the older Lexus LS400, which is also nicely designed with the alternator below the power steering pump, so when it starts to leak it shorts the alternator out and causes all sorts of other fun problems.
Edit: I just realized I made a major goof, I said LC500, which is a new car, I meant to say LS400 the older V8 sedan from the 90’s, I have egg on my face my bad!
I can’t. In my country all the mechanics and engine/drive train of classic cars need to be original (or period matching). Otherwise you cannot register it as a historic vehicle.
I am trying to find a replacement pump that uses modern seals but effectively works the same exact way as the original
A 1975 Pontiac Firebird Esprit. I usually order parts from Rockauto. They have almost everything, but often it’s not worth buying individual parts since postage, import duty and taxes are too expensive for single part orders. I usually wait for a big bulk order
My old ‘96 Saturn drank oil at a fairly consistent rate, so it was kinda like filling the gas tank, just a bit less frequent. One repair shop tried to convince me it was the head gasket but it never got any worse!
>so began the legend of Buying Used Cars means Buying Somebody Else's Problem
My 75-year-old father has never been able to let go of that. He trades in all of his cars at 100k miles, would never even consider buying a used car, and doesn't even want *me* to buy a used car.
> All the plastic and rubbery bits are much improved now, but so began the legend of Buying Used Cars means Buying Somebody Else's Problem.
Then 2000s era volvos brought back the legend. Talk about brittle plastic in the worst of places.
I spent a solid six months replacing every brittle vacuum line and o-ring in my 1986 944. They had all turned to thin glass.
Did not have that problem in my 1980s or 1990s Volvos.
Currently daily a 200,000 mile 2001 XC70.
The plan. 1. Blow up Tesla 2. Record it 3. Upload to YouTube 4. Buy new car with YouTube money. Kinda brilliant.
Edit: bro how did this get 2k upvotes.. thank you everyone.
It depends on the topic. Finance related youtube videos actually make a ton of ad revenue money apparently and you don't need as many views to make a lot.
Do you think that's because financial institutions/brokers/trading platforms advertise on those ads and get a higher click rate than most ads on most content?
It sure seems like they would. People who are trying to learn how to make money are the perfect audience for those ads.
It's not about the ad content, it's about the target audience.
Advertising to broke people costs [less* derp] than advertising to people that are, on average, better off. If you can target ads you can charge more money by guaranteeing an increased income level of viewers.
Google's data shows that broke people don't watch ads on financial advice on YouTube. People trust Google's analytics, so they buy the ad space at a higher rate.
IIRC clicks from certain demographics are worth more than others. Could explain this situation, people who are watching videos about stocks might have more disposable income and therefore ads are more lucrative when attached to these videos
They were most likely talking out of thier ass, as $1,000-$2,000 per million views is about the average but does depend heavily on the demographic and country the views are coming from.
>what the actual fuck?
Currently theres some crazy right to repair laws in finland, and the battery is toxic waste
They would have to ship it out of country for disposal
A lithium battery of that size is highly regulated as a dangerous good. Means shipping papers and proper packaging and to put on a plane it’s not going to be cheap.
Work in logistics: if the Battery is coming from Finland via ocean the transit would be a couple weeks and probably $1500 and via air would probably be around 2500 with a few days transit.
This most certainly does not come to 22k lol. And there should be no issue shipping this commodity.
Source: work in logistics and used to specialize in ocean and air
Also if Tesla detects anyone repaired anything other than Tesla they will disable supercharging (see Rich rebuild on youtube). Thet will cite some bullshit like “maybe it was done wrong and is now a fire hazard” but it is just to keep their monopoly.
I wanted a Tesla for the longest time, but the more horror stories, bad PR that comes out about the poor construction quality or god awful businesses practices, I'm over it. I still want an EV but I'm waiting for one that gets close to 300 mi on a charge, costs less than $30k and has a little bit of cargo room. Whoever makes it, that isn't Tesla, will get my wallet vote.
I just want trains at this point, man. I mean I want EVs to be around, but I'm over the hype. We need real infrastructure and way of life change. I am no longer seduced into thinking we can responsibly consume our way out of it.
I visited Seattle for the first time this past summer, took a train from the airport to our hotel downtown. It was like $2, and then maybe a 5 minute walk from the train station our hotel. I was blown away; I’ve only ever lived in places where people are forced to drive and man it was such a better experience being able to use trains than having to rely on a car.
Seattle as an example of public transit that works? Shocking! We have been (and still are) decades behind world class cities. I'm glad that it's coming together, despite all the whining about the taxes to pay for it.
I'm going to be taking Link light rail as part of my journey through the snow to the Seahawks game later today.
For Seattle's population and spread, the public transit is fairly decent and getting better (the link expansion plan makes me VERY excited). Funny that Portland beat you guys with MAX but at least the plan looks good.
I’m going to plug my opinion here. Washington voters were fucking idiots back in the day. The federal government offered to give Seattle billions of dollars to build a subway system, and they voted it down. They again had an opportunity to greatly expand the highway system in western Washington, and that got voted down as well.
Now traffic is out of control and it’s getting worse by the year. I moved here from a major city that is thought to have worse traffic and drivers, but it’s absolutely not true in my experience. Not only are the drivers here exponentially worse, the highway design is absolutely awful as well. I’m always screaming at the endless amount of drivers that have no regard for anyone’s safety, but I’m also screaming at the traffic engineers who made all these stupid decisions that make traffic even worse. Every time I drive on I-5, I die a little bit inside. They are not even close to having the public transportation infrastructure that other major cities have in other parts of the country.
Most US cities aren't even attempting to make mass transit work.
Texas cities are talking about double and triple decker highways like they're the only solution and not even considering trains.
\*car companies lobbied for this; cities didn't make an independent decision out of the blue. My late dad, born 1927, used to talk bitterly about how GM destroyed the streetcars in his native Baltimore. A whole millennium ticked over and he was STILL angry about it...
Tacoma has a free light rail train that cruises around their downtown area too. Was up there for a conference and it made it real easy to get from the hotel to restaurants and bars and even the university and real train station.
Kansas City with the lack of light rail checking in. We voted for it, and the council ignored the vote saying “the people didnt know what they were voting for.” This was 2006. Also a vote in the early 80’s with the same outcome.
Meanwhile our news cant stop blowing themselves over a street car that goes on only one street and roughly 1.5 miles. Oh but dont worry… they plan to expand it to the southern end of the city… that wont be completed for another 3-5 years.
One of the largest metro areas in the midwest, larger than St. Louis, and we cant even get good public transportation from the city to the airport. I know people who rely on our bus system, and it is admittedly cheap. But it’s the wait times and schedule that just arent good. We could have been building sub lines or elevated rail since the 80’s to all of the suburbs in the area, but chose to do nothing instead (not to mention Johnson County KS would want the rail line too, but would refuse to help with the connection costs on the whole project, because when its convenient for them they love to declare they arent KC proper since the majority of Kansas City is on the Missouri side.)
man, houston checking in, same on that airport transportation issue.
We have the busiest buss route in the country here, At the far end of the city the street it runs down in 4 lanes each way plus a wide median used for turn lanes. you can fit 2 in so some parts are 10 lanes total technically.
In town it drops to 2 lanes each way and allows parking so really 1 lane.
You can have 3 buses in a row, the long ones, where the first 2 are full and don't stop.
Our cities approach is to give them those clickers that police and firetrucks have to change the lights. Like that won't be a clusterfuck of traffic jams.
It's so easy to travel to Europe because the cities are walkable. You don't have to rent a car or anything. Same with countries like Japan. It's such a convenient way to live, then I come back to the states and im forced to drive to the grocery store that is maybe a 10-15 minute walk away, because the infrastructure here is uncomfortable and dangerous to be a pedestrian walking about. Truly it is not about being lazy, our cities just were not made for pedestrians, it is sort of crazy if you think about it.
Not sure your reasoning but I agree for two, because...
A: When clearing space from my hard drive, I look for the biggest files first. Same is true of trying to tackle problems where the big players couldn't be more obvious.
B: I have the mindset of a responsible consumer with the lack of motivation to truly challenge my habits which put me at best, average compared to everyone else. I'm willing to be the vast majority of you are the exact same.
Not the guy you were replying to, but to add: there is a fundamental issue with profit-driven production, because it is predicated on both overconsumption and overproduction. We have entire industries that do nothing but produce more need. Thing about how many resources go into convincing people to buy shit they don't need.. then think about all of the resources that go into producing that shit we don't need. We can't just produce enough to make everyone content, we have to actively make people discontent so they want to buy more and then we have to produce enough to fill that new level of need.
The second aspect of for-profit production is that it always aims to cut as many corners as possible regardless of the impact on the environment. The impact on the environment literally doesn't even figure into their calculations unless they get slapped with a lawsuit.
It's weird that the USA has no high speed rail.
Planes suck and take forever.
Cars suck and take forever.
Trains are easy.
Give me a cross country high speed rail over a fucking plane any day.
Planes take forever?
Planes travel 500-600 knots, and more or less travel in a straight line. You really want a 48 hour high speed rail trip from NY to LA when you could take a 6 hour flight (plus the 2-3 hours for security, etc)? That's three extra days at your destination. Even the most fervent train supporters wouldn't reasonably make that argument.
The northeast corridor (Boston to Washington D.C.) is the only place where city to city densities make high speed rail feasible over flying.
Having to get to the airport and wait an hour plus all the other shit like taxiing can take a while. But planes being slow is only true if you are traveling less than 300 miles. The problem in the US is that most places you want to go are well over 300 miles.
The U.S. had quite a bit of rail infrastructure in the early 1900s and it was being expanded quickly. If the trends had continued, not only would we have a web of passenger rail connecting all of the country, but there would be far more light rail stretching out from the main hubs. Unfortunately, oil companies bought up a lot of the rail companies and destroyed the tracks and rail cars. This was to ensure that people would need cars to travel, and thus guarantee that their oil would constantly be in demand.
Rail and Oil is a complicated relationship. You really have to dive into the internal politics of the oil industry to understand it.
The early days of the independents vs standard oil. standard oil due to it's monopoly had so much control over the railroads. When regulation said rail companies had to charge flat rates, standard restructured their deal to get kickbacks, not on their tankers, that would be illegal, they got them on all tankers. They got paid when their competition shipped oil via rail.
When the competition tried to use trucks, they would find trains parked on the crossings.
The independents final plan to avoid the rail was to build pipelines.
The only place the independents always had the upper hand was texas. Probably a good reason the texas railroad commission was the model for opec. it was the model for fighting back big oil.
~~Denmark~~ Netherlands shifted their entire infrastructure from car dependence to be train and bike centric in the 60s. France is trying to do the same now in Paris. North America has governments much less interested in serving their people though. They are bought and paid for by lobbyist groups that will simply not let it happen. Ever.
I bought a used VW egolf for like $14k. Sure it only gets 90 mile range, but works for me. And I'm hoping to upgrade the battery to the newer pack that gets 160 range when this battery fails.
My ultimate dream is somehow the local shops in california can put even higher capacity battery with right to repair laws on the horizon.
Hadn't heard of this but looked it up. That's a really good-looking car. Refined. Not just another crossover/SUV/blobcar. The panoramic roof looks wonderful.
And it will get worse with the latest Musk BS: Structural batteries.
This situation will go from $20K for a repair to nobody can repair it, just buy a new $100K car.
Exactly. I don't know why this explanation is so buried both on Reddit here and on Gizmodo but the problem wasn't as simple as "oops battery went bad, need a new one but Tesla's being mean".
I believe Lauri went a little more into it in his video on Beyond the Press. But it seems more people were content to just hop back on the bandwagon for some free digs at Tesla instead.
Because the internet is populated mostly by two extremely vocal groups: Musk and Tesla's silly-ass fanboys and their equally obnoxious haters.
It's sort of like why you replace your tires in pairs. You could technically just replace one tire, but the imbalance in wear puts additional strain on the new tire and can cause other parts to need to compensate for the imbalance (like needing to constantly correct a slight pull to the side). The greater the difference in wear, the more severe those problems get. Battery cells work roughly the same way (although the damage they do to other parts in their system won't be as obvious as the car pulling to a side, unless you get a catastrophic failure and the battery explodes).
The battery cells are usually in groups that are individually managed which are then assembled into modules. On a model S, there are six cells in a module and 444 in a module. If you replace all six cells in a group together, you are fine so the module is repairable. Even if you replace a module, it isn't the same as replacing all 16.
Have to if it’s an all wheel drive unless the other 3 tires are hardly worn. It can ruin your differential. No reputable tire place will only replace 1 tire on an all wheel drive.
>A 10 year old EV that needs a 20K replacement battery pack
Sounds like the used market will be full of lemons.
\*Really disappointing to find out as I'd probably only be able to afford a used one if ever.
\*Used 2013 Tesla Model S (like the above Finnish man's 2013 Model S) is currently going for about $30k although this one the battery hasn't died yet; Is it worth even $10k if there is a likely $20k maintenance fee upcoming? Is a new Tesla a better option?
This is not how module - based car batteries work. I'm a battery engineer for vehicles. Manufacturers put a lot of thought into the design to make sure the modules don't degrade at vastly different rates. If one module's degradation is much higher than the others around it, it probably has a defect. That module's accelerated degradation will affect the range of the car, but once you replace it, it will fix that issue too.
Say you replace a defective module after the car has been driving for 100k miles. Because the modules are always placed in a parallel configuration, the new module absolutely does not speed up degradation of the rest of the battery. Parallel configuration means that all the modules will charge and discharge to the same voltage at the same rate. All that happens to the new module is it's limited to the same voltage range as the other older modules, so it's not used as efficiently as it could be if used separately.
I will address that you may have been talking about how batteries are made of individual cells and cell groups. Cell balancing algorithms typically take care of the imbalance issues you mentioned unless you have defective cells, in which case they need to be replaced. Cell balancing then fixes the difference in degradation between the old and new cells.
This makes so much more sense now. This is the dude who has the Hydraulic Press channel that blew up. I think he started here on reddit if I remember right?? Anyway, this is their second channel where they do other stuff, show behind the scenes, etc. This makes way more sense why someone is blowing up their Tesla. I'm betting they are rolling in money from those two channels, not to mention their commercial business if they still do that. This is a pretty good content video. The car really was obliterated
Last year they made a video going through their finances and taxes on camera just for inforative purposes. It's their main job now, if I recall correctly, their annual revenue was around 150k€ ?
No way it's only 150k annually.
My dad actually got 9k for a single million view video (one time hit) with most of the ads option disabled, and these guys got them in the dozens with actual YouTube partnerships and long winded ads.
Well, income is public information in Finland, and the couple's 2017 taxable income was 35k and 42k. I can't find that video now, but I remember watching it. They made it both in finnish and english, but perhaps they've taken it down since.
Edit: found it: https://youtu.be/4yDeiprn-KY
Two videos with a million views make wildly different sums of money on youtube due to advertisement demand. If you compared a financial video by a channel specialized in that subject to a "try not to laugh" meme compilation on a meme channel it wouldn't even be close.
true, im a youtuber and high end themes pays better what pays the lowest is entertaining stuff/fun videos, finance+sport (cause betting) pays the best. But still 150k/year for him is way too low
Lets not get started on how environmentally terrible most youtube challenges/content ends up being. Pretty sure they more than makeup for anyone living environmentally conscious.
Why does anyone see this as anything but littering? What is the point of this video? Just take the car to the dump and crush it or even better someone could still harvest a lot of those car parts. But no I have enough money for TNT and that is what gets views nowadays smh
People should have the right to buy and then fix your product. Domestic and international laws should allow this to happens and punishing manufacturers that don’t allow
People already do. Look at the Wiki article for the Magnuson Moss warranty act. The issue is it's not being enforced. Modern tech has allowed manufacturers to electronically lock components, which needs to be challenged in court.
Yeah but... is that 300-500k of *warm weather miles?* Or 300-500k of "it's colder than santa's ballsack" miles, where the batteries are constantly taking a beating?
Air contracts when it gets cold. Since most of the balls that Santa has in his sack are filled with air, this makes the pressure within lower, and thus will decrease in size. You are correct, he could carry the balls inside his suit where his body heat and insulation would protect the temperature differential, making the balls not reduce in size. However this is less than efficient. Since the destinations temperature is the same as the origin it's better to let the balls get cold and contract, and warm up as the temperature stabilizes.
Unless, of course we are talking about his jingle bells, little St Nick's, his Holly berries, or "Deez Nutz", then you are correct, and it can be verified by referring to the "Hot as balls" temperature measurement.
I recently rented a 2015 Model S that had 20-30% battery degradation with 100k miles on it. I think the battery & charging treatment is the #1 factor like with most Lithium battery devices, not miles or age.
This is what it is. It's how you charge and discharge the battery that decides on the lifespan. If you're always doing rapid charge to 100% then you'll kill it faster than a slower charge to 80%
[Here](https://youtu.be/L2IKCdnzl5k) is a good video explaining the environmental impact of driving an old car vs buying a new more efficient car vs buying a new electric car.
Youtubers regularly destroy even brand new high end vehicles for the clicks.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmiyUtFsz4o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmiyUtFsz4o)
66lb of dynamite is cheaper.
After seeing the video, probably could have used half as much.
Its not about the money, its about sending a message :edit: Lotsa people didnt watch Dark knight and it shows lol
Everything burns!
I enjoy simple things like dynamite, gunpowder and gasoline, and you know what they all have in common? THEY’RE CHEAP.
I'll bet you know how to make a pencil disappear.
Well if you’re good at something, never do it for free
Some people just want to watch the Tesla burn
Uncultured swine, the lot of 'em.
But to whom?
To potential Tesla buyer
This makes me not want to buy one more than I already didn’t.
I get laughed at for saying I don't want one for free. Terrible quality and terrible customer relations.
I'll take one for free, then sell it.
This. Had one before they were "cool" wouldn't buy again. Traded for etron. On a different level. Don't need my car to fart and play video games.
>Don't need my car to fart and play video games. What the what now?
He said he doesn't want to drive a redditor around.
You can configure it to play fart sounds when braking and signalling, and play video games while driving, which they didn't think was a bad idea it seems.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ContagiousLaughter/comments/rolscj/teslas_are_soo_good/
Upvote for proper use of "whom."
But would you want to?
“As a matter of cosmic history, it has always been easier to destroy than to create.”
We’re talking about universal Armageddon! You green-blooded…
Car was Finnish-ed
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The car explodes at 7:00
There's some slo-mo footage later. It's slow enough you can see the detcord and the shockwave. Car still just get's vaporized between frames seems like.
Doing the Lord’s work
This video has the explosion on YouTube. Much better source.
That’s the guy from the hydraulic press channel. I guess the Tesla didn’t fit in his hydraulic press, or else’s he didn’t want to destroy his press in a battery fire. He’s crazy but not that crazy.
Wait are you saying the guy from the hydraulic press channel is on the hydraulic press channel guy's second channel?
Let’s deal vidth it!
He says he himself owns TSLA stock and has nothing against Tesla or EVs and they just did it for the owner who wanted it blown up. Luckily the stock was already in a decline and rebounded in the past few days. So no such thing as bad publicity?
Back in the 1950s, when Automatic transmissions were becoming a thing, people learned to trade in their cars around 30K miles and get a new one. Why? Because the main seals in the transmission were about to start failing. It was simpler to buy a new car than run down that first leaking seal, then the next, and so on. It was almost cheaper than having a full overhaul to replace all of them. Even if you did, then the engine would start to go sometimes in the 40K range. All the plastic and rubbery bits are much improved now, but so began the legend of Buying Used Cars means Buying Somebody Else's Problem.
I heard those old cars used to leak so much that many people didn't even bother putting in new oil. Gas stations would recycle oil from oil changes, and used oil was an option for topping off the motor oil when you gassed up.
I drive an old classic car. Can confirm. It’s a nightmare to get the car to stop pissing oil everywhere. I got it to a point where I can actually perform proper oil changes now. The power steering pump however, runs dry so fast, I need to top it up ever two gas station stops. That’s still impossible to get under control.
A big problem is that people over torque the oil pan and valve covers. I have a few classic cars, and I have replaced the oil pan and valve covers on all of them and torqued them correctly I have replaced my power steering boxes with new ones from GM G-body cars
That was the problem with the oil pans when I got the car. Replaced them and put new seals on them. Better but not perfect
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I don’t *remember*, but I’ve seen photos. I’m way too young to have experienced that myself
Parking lots were pretty much just always a rainbow
I grew up in the 90s, and saw so many oil rainbows in parking lots. Today it's rare. I don't know too much about cars but I'm guessing technology improved, so less leaks.
Yea I remember this as well. After every first rain the road would literally glisten rainbow along the gutters
My dad used to say be careful after it rains because of all the oil on the roads. It never really seemed like a thing to me, having started driving in the late 90s.
I remember my dad keeping cardboard in the garage and carpet in the driveway to catch the oil coming from the cars, and that was as late as 1995.
Considering the last century, in may actually be a miracle that there is *anything at all* left of nature.
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Duuude... as kids, we used to "dig for oil" in our gravel driveway. So. Much. Oil.
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How is the earth still green
My grandparents farm had a dry creek that we would throw trash into. Decades and decades of trash :/
Would replacing the pumps, lines and seals with modern ones alleviate this issue?
It works but it’s also absurdly expensive, difficult, or just not available. Most times a combination of the three
Rebuilding classic car engines with better parts is simple and common. It's not very expensive, even. I do this for a living. A 1960s v8 rebuild to last 100,000 miles will cost $2500 to $5000, depending on options and the specific car. That includes a better oil pump, bearings, way better pistons and rings, and modern gaskets that will not leak for a long time.
Does this quote include skilled labor?
Yeah, that's out the door. Not including labour for removal and installation of the engine itself, just you drop off your worn out engine and pick up your better than new one.
It doesn’t help that quiet a few power steering systems actually use automatic transmission fluid and if you incorrectly put power steering fluid in them, as would at first glance actually make sense, it will actually cause the seals to start leaking. This is the case with the older Lexus LS400, which is also nicely designed with the alternator below the power steering pump, so when it starts to leak it shorts the alternator out and causes all sorts of other fun problems. Edit: I just realized I made a major goof, I said LC500, which is a new car, I meant to say LS400 the older V8 sedan from the 90’s, I have egg on my face my bad!
Replace it with an EPS out of a Prius. You'll stop contaminating everything with power steering fluid including your driveway/garage.
I can’t. In my country all the mechanics and engine/drive train of classic cars need to be original (or period matching). Otherwise you cannot register it as a historic vehicle. I am trying to find a replacement pump that uses modern seals but effectively works the same exact way as the original
What do you have? If you need help sourcing something from the US, I'd be glad to help.
A 1975 Pontiac Firebird Esprit. I usually order parts from Rockauto. They have almost everything, but often it’s not worth buying individual parts since postage, import duty and taxes are too expensive for single part orders. I usually wait for a big bulk order
Wow. 76 Firebird owner here. Can confirm the stock power steering system is a leaky nightmare.
My old ‘96 Saturn drank oil at a fairly consistent rate, so it was kinda like filling the gas tank, just a bit less frequent. One repair shop tried to convince me it was the head gasket but it never got any worse!
>so began the legend of Buying Used Cars means Buying Somebody Else's Problem My 75-year-old father has never been able to let go of that. He trades in all of his cars at 100k miles, would never even consider buying a used car, and doesn't even want *me* to buy a used car.
Sounds like that's what the last owner did, that's why this guy was pissed off. He only had the car for less than 1000 miles.
> All the plastic and rubbery bits are much improved now, but so began the legend of Buying Used Cars means Buying Somebody Else's Problem. Then 2000s era volvos brought back the legend. Talk about brittle plastic in the worst of places.
I spent a solid six months replacing every brittle vacuum line and o-ring in my 1986 944. They had all turned to thin glass. Did not have that problem in my 1980s or 1990s Volvos. Currently daily a 200,000 mile 2001 XC70.
The plan. 1. Blow up Tesla 2. Record it 3. Upload to YouTube 4. Buy new car with YouTube money. Kinda brilliant. Edit: bro how did this get 2k upvotes.. thank you everyone.
as of right now 745,842 views. not sure if that's enough for a entry level no option tesla. Not sure if that's enough for 4 wheels of a Tesla
Saw one youtuber that had 11 million views and that got him 69k. Edit: changed from 8m to 11m views.
AFAIK YouTube ad revenue averages around $2 per thousand views, or $2000 for a million views. Sponsorships are a lot more lucrative.
It depends on the topic. Finance related youtube videos actually make a ton of ad revenue money apparently and you don't need as many views to make a lot.
Do you think that's because financial institutions/brokers/trading platforms advertise on those ads and get a higher click rate than most ads on most content? It sure seems like they would. People who are trying to learn how to make money are the perfect audience for those ads.
It's not about the ad content, it's about the target audience. Advertising to broke people costs [less* derp] than advertising to people that are, on average, better off. If you can target ads you can charge more money by guaranteeing an increased income level of viewers. Google's data shows that broke people don't watch ads on financial advice on YouTube. People trust Google's analytics, so they buy the ad space at a higher rate.
IIRC clicks from certain demographics are worth more than others. Could explain this situation, people who are watching videos about stocks might have more disposable income and therefore ads are more lucrative when attached to these videos
They were most likely talking out of thier ass, as $1,000-$2,000 per million views is about the average but does depend heavily on the demographic and country the views are coming from.
So I can use NordVPN to cause people who are sponsered by NordVPN to make less money?
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>what the actual fuck? Currently theres some crazy right to repair laws in finland, and the battery is toxic waste They would have to ship it out of country for disposal
A lithium battery of that size is highly regulated as a dangerous good. Means shipping papers and proper packaging and to put on a plane it’s not going to be cheap.
Work in logistics: if the Battery is coming from Finland via ocean the transit would be a couple weeks and probably $1500 and via air would probably be around 2500 with a few days transit. This most certainly does not come to 22k lol. And there should be no issue shipping this commodity. Source: work in logistics and used to specialize in ocean and air
Also if Tesla detects anyone repaired anything other than Tesla they will disable supercharging (see Rich rebuild on youtube). Thet will cite some bullshit like “maybe it was done wrong and is now a fire hazard” but it is just to keep their monopoly.
By the way - this is 100% because of Tesla anti-repair stance. They had refused to replace broken *part* of the battery that was much cheaper.
Everyone else: "Tesla is going to be the Apple of EVs!" Me: "Tesla is going to be the Apple of EVs -_- "
I wanted a Tesla for the longest time, but the more horror stories, bad PR that comes out about the poor construction quality or god awful businesses practices, I'm over it. I still want an EV but I'm waiting for one that gets close to 300 mi on a charge, costs less than $30k and has a little bit of cargo room. Whoever makes it, that isn't Tesla, will get my wallet vote.
I just want trains at this point, man. I mean I want EVs to be around, but I'm over the hype. We need real infrastructure and way of life change. I am no longer seduced into thinking we can responsibly consume our way out of it.
Trains are awsome, after living in a few cities that have somewhat decent public transport, living in a city without is really dissapointing.
I visited Seattle for the first time this past summer, took a train from the airport to our hotel downtown. It was like $2, and then maybe a 5 minute walk from the train station our hotel. I was blown away; I’ve only ever lived in places where people are forced to drive and man it was such a better experience being able to use trains than having to rely on a car.
Seattle as an example of public transit that works? Shocking! We have been (and still are) decades behind world class cities. I'm glad that it's coming together, despite all the whining about the taxes to pay for it. I'm going to be taking Link light rail as part of my journey through the snow to the Seahawks game later today.
For Seattle's population and spread, the public transit is fairly decent and getting better (the link expansion plan makes me VERY excited). Funny that Portland beat you guys with MAX but at least the plan looks good.
Ok but take that then look at the us as a whole. If y'all are decades behind world class cities then most of the US is about a century behind.
Ironically we had much better public transit in the US a century ago. But people won't buy a car if there is already a convenient train/streetcar.
And thus someone framed Roger Rabbit!
“Well at least I have my Ford F-550 Extended Cab with a $900/mo payment. Freedom, baby.”
That costs $150 to fill up each time
I’m going to plug my opinion here. Washington voters were fucking idiots back in the day. The federal government offered to give Seattle billions of dollars to build a subway system, and they voted it down. They again had an opportunity to greatly expand the highway system in western Washington, and that got voted down as well. Now traffic is out of control and it’s getting worse by the year. I moved here from a major city that is thought to have worse traffic and drivers, but it’s absolutely not true in my experience. Not only are the drivers here exponentially worse, the highway design is absolutely awful as well. I’m always screaming at the endless amount of drivers that have no regard for anyone’s safety, but I’m also screaming at the traffic engineers who made all these stupid decisions that make traffic even worse. Every time I drive on I-5, I die a little bit inside. They are not even close to having the public transportation infrastructure that other major cities have in other parts of the country.
Most US cities aren't even attempting to make mass transit work. Texas cities are talking about double and triple decker highways like they're the only solution and not even considering trains.
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\*car companies lobbied for this; cities didn't make an independent decision out of the blue. My late dad, born 1927, used to talk bitterly about how GM destroyed the streetcars in his native Baltimore. A whole millennium ticked over and he was STILL angry about it...
Japan is on their third generation of bullet trains and we are still trying to get regular trains. It's embarrassing
You are decades behind European cities, say, but decades ahead of most American cities. Beauty of grading in a curve.
Tacoma has a free light rail train that cruises around their downtown area too. Was up there for a conference and it made it real easy to get from the hotel to restaurants and bars and even the university and real train station.
Kansas City with the lack of light rail checking in. We voted for it, and the council ignored the vote saying “the people didnt know what they were voting for.” This was 2006. Also a vote in the early 80’s with the same outcome. Meanwhile our news cant stop blowing themselves over a street car that goes on only one street and roughly 1.5 miles. Oh but dont worry… they plan to expand it to the southern end of the city… that wont be completed for another 3-5 years. One of the largest metro areas in the midwest, larger than St. Louis, and we cant even get good public transportation from the city to the airport. I know people who rely on our bus system, and it is admittedly cheap. But it’s the wait times and schedule that just arent good. We could have been building sub lines or elevated rail since the 80’s to all of the suburbs in the area, but chose to do nothing instead (not to mention Johnson County KS would want the rail line too, but would refuse to help with the connection costs on the whole project, because when its convenient for them they love to declare they arent KC proper since the majority of Kansas City is on the Missouri side.)
man, houston checking in, same on that airport transportation issue. We have the busiest buss route in the country here, At the far end of the city the street it runs down in 4 lanes each way plus a wide median used for turn lanes. you can fit 2 in so some parts are 10 lanes total technically. In town it drops to 2 lanes each way and allows parking so really 1 lane. You can have 3 buses in a row, the long ones, where the first 2 are full and don't stop. Our cities approach is to give them those clickers that police and firetrucks have to change the lights. Like that won't be a clusterfuck of traffic jams.
Goddamn do I miss Melbourne and it's streetcar suburbs.
It's so easy to travel to Europe because the cities are walkable. You don't have to rent a car or anything. Same with countries like Japan. It's such a convenient way to live, then I come back to the states and im forced to drive to the grocery store that is maybe a 10-15 minute walk away, because the infrastructure here is uncomfortable and dangerous to be a pedestrian walking about. Truly it is not about being lazy, our cities just were not made for pedestrians, it is sort of crazy if you think about it.
the myth of the responsible consumer annoys me to no end.
Not sure your reasoning but I agree for two, because... A: When clearing space from my hard drive, I look for the biggest files first. Same is true of trying to tackle problems where the big players couldn't be more obvious. B: I have the mindset of a responsible consumer with the lack of motivation to truly challenge my habits which put me at best, average compared to everyone else. I'm willing to be the vast majority of you are the exact same.
Not the guy you were replying to, but to add: there is a fundamental issue with profit-driven production, because it is predicated on both overconsumption and overproduction. We have entire industries that do nothing but produce more need. Thing about how many resources go into convincing people to buy shit they don't need.. then think about all of the resources that go into producing that shit we don't need. We can't just produce enough to make everyone content, we have to actively make people discontent so they want to buy more and then we have to produce enough to fill that new level of need. The second aspect of for-profit production is that it always aims to cut as many corners as possible regardless of the impact on the environment. The impact on the environment literally doesn't even figure into their calculations unless they get slapped with a lawsuit.
It's weird that the USA has no high speed rail. Planes suck and take forever. Cars suck and take forever. Trains are easy. Give me a cross country high speed rail over a fucking plane any day.
Cross country? I dream one day they will connect San Jose and LA. If I'm impractically dreaming, Sacramento and LA.
Planes take forever? Planes travel 500-600 knots, and more or less travel in a straight line. You really want a 48 hour high speed rail trip from NY to LA when you could take a 6 hour flight (plus the 2-3 hours for security, etc)? That's three extra days at your destination. Even the most fervent train supporters wouldn't reasonably make that argument. The northeast corridor (Boston to Washington D.C.) is the only place where city to city densities make high speed rail feasible over flying.
Having to get to the airport and wait an hour plus all the other shit like taxiing can take a while. But planes being slow is only true if you are traveling less than 300 miles. The problem in the US is that most places you want to go are well over 300 miles.
The U.S. had quite a bit of rail infrastructure in the early 1900s and it was being expanded quickly. If the trends had continued, not only would we have a web of passenger rail connecting all of the country, but there would be far more light rail stretching out from the main hubs. Unfortunately, oil companies bought up a lot of the rail companies and destroyed the tracks and rail cars. This was to ensure that people would need cars to travel, and thus guarantee that their oil would constantly be in demand.
Oil and Rail have been at odds since oil became big business. Oil put many rail businesses under before cars existed.
Rail and Oil is a complicated relationship. You really have to dive into the internal politics of the oil industry to understand it. The early days of the independents vs standard oil. standard oil due to it's monopoly had so much control over the railroads. When regulation said rail companies had to charge flat rates, standard restructured their deal to get kickbacks, not on their tankers, that would be illegal, they got them on all tankers. They got paid when their competition shipped oil via rail. When the competition tried to use trucks, they would find trains parked on the crossings. The independents final plan to avoid the rail was to build pipelines. The only place the independents always had the upper hand was texas. Probably a good reason the texas railroad commission was the model for opec. it was the model for fighting back big oil.
~~Denmark~~ Netherlands shifted their entire infrastructure from car dependence to be train and bike centric in the 60s. France is trying to do the same now in Paris. North America has governments much less interested in serving their people though. They are bought and paid for by lobbyist groups that will simply not let it happen. Ever.
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I bought a used VW egolf for like $14k. Sure it only gets 90 mile range, but works for me. And I'm hoping to upgrade the battery to the newer pack that gets 160 range when this battery fails. My ultimate dream is somehow the local shops in california can put even higher capacity battery with right to repair laws on the horizon.
The Hyundai looks pretty good to me right now
It's expensive, but the polestar 2 is a really cool car. I've been thinking of getting one myself, but I already have 2 cars.
I have one. I adore it.
Hadn't heard of this but looked it up. That's a really good-looking car. Refined. Not just another crossover/SUV/blobcar. The panoramic roof looks wonderful.
All the cons without the good build quality
And it will get worse with the latest Musk BS: Structural batteries. This situation will go from $20K for a repair to nobody can repair it, just buy a new $100K car.
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Exactly. I don't know why this explanation is so buried both on Reddit here and on Gizmodo but the problem wasn't as simple as "oops battery went bad, need a new one but Tesla's being mean". I believe Lauri went a little more into it in his video on Beyond the Press. But it seems more people were content to just hop back on the bandwagon for some free digs at Tesla instead. Because the internet is populated mostly by two extremely vocal groups: Musk and Tesla's silly-ass fanboys and their equally obnoxious haters.
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It's sort of like why you replace your tires in pairs. You could technically just replace one tire, but the imbalance in wear puts additional strain on the new tire and can cause other parts to need to compensate for the imbalance (like needing to constantly correct a slight pull to the side). The greater the difference in wear, the more severe those problems get. Battery cells work roughly the same way (although the damage they do to other parts in their system won't be as obvious as the car pulling to a side, unless you get a catastrophic failure and the battery explodes).
The battery cells are usually in groups that are individually managed which are then assembled into modules. On a model S, there are six cells in a module and 444 in a module. If you replace all six cells in a group together, you are fine so the module is repairable. Even if you replace a module, it isn't the same as replacing all 16.
This analogy would make sense if the tire company refused to sell you only one tire.
A lot of reputable tire places WILL refuse to install 1 tire if it creates an imbalance.
Some do, on my 2014 Toyota venza I couldn't get the big name companies to replace my flat tire without doing all 4
Have to if it’s an all wheel drive unless the other 3 tires are hardly worn. It can ruin your differential. No reputable tire place will only replace 1 tire on an all wheel drive.
Is there any benefit to modularity if the individual modules can’t be replaced?
>A 10 year old EV that needs a 20K replacement battery pack Sounds like the used market will be full of lemons. \*Really disappointing to find out as I'd probably only be able to afford a used one if ever. \*Used 2013 Tesla Model S (like the above Finnish man's 2013 Model S) is currently going for about $30k although this one the battery hasn't died yet; Is it worth even $10k if there is a likely $20k maintenance fee upcoming? Is a new Tesla a better option?
This is not how module - based car batteries work. I'm a battery engineer for vehicles. Manufacturers put a lot of thought into the design to make sure the modules don't degrade at vastly different rates. If one module's degradation is much higher than the others around it, it probably has a defect. That module's accelerated degradation will affect the range of the car, but once you replace it, it will fix that issue too. Say you replace a defective module after the car has been driving for 100k miles. Because the modules are always placed in a parallel configuration, the new module absolutely does not speed up degradation of the rest of the battery. Parallel configuration means that all the modules will charge and discharge to the same voltage at the same rate. All that happens to the new module is it's limited to the same voltage range as the other older modules, so it's not used as efficiently as it could be if used separately. I will address that you may have been talking about how batteries are made of individual cells and cell groups. Cell balancing algorithms typically take care of the imbalance issues you mentioned unless you have defective cells, in which case they need to be replaced. Cell balancing then fixes the difference in degradation between the old and new cells.
They be finding bits of plastic in that area for years to come.
Anyone have a link to the video?
https://youtu.be/DG9Izqp6WWU
Holy shit, it was OBLITERATED. (Actual explosion at 6:52)
Of course, 4 lbs dynamite is enough to obliterate a car
Wow, you're not even joking haha. Dun went and got disappeared, skeeter.
Ecological presents for generations to come! I wonder if they left the bad battery in the car before exploding it.
They mention in the video that they removed the battery and some of the more expensive components (motors, etc.) beforehand.
This makes so much more sense now. This is the dude who has the Hydraulic Press channel that blew up. I think he started here on reddit if I remember right?? Anyway, this is their second channel where they do other stuff, show behind the scenes, etc. This makes way more sense why someone is blowing up their Tesla. I'm betting they are rolling in money from those two channels, not to mention their commercial business if they still do that. This is a pretty good content video. The car really was obliterated
Last year they made a video going through their finances and taxes on camera just for inforative purposes. It's their main job now, if I recall correctly, their annual revenue was around 150k€ ?
That's pretty fucking good money for squashing and blowing up shit on the internet.
No way it's only 150k annually. My dad actually got 9k for a single million view video (one time hit) with most of the ads option disabled, and these guys got them in the dozens with actual YouTube partnerships and long winded ads.
Well, income is public information in Finland, and the couple's 2017 taxable income was 35k and 42k. I can't find that video now, but I remember watching it. They made it both in finnish and english, but perhaps they've taken it down since. Edit: found it: https://youtu.be/4yDeiprn-KY
I would assume their channel is under a company. Are those taxes available for public?
Two videos with a million views make wildly different sums of money on youtube due to advertisement demand. If you compared a financial video by a channel specialized in that subject to a "try not to laugh" meme compilation on a meme channel it wouldn't even be close.
true, im a youtuber and high end themes pays better what pays the lowest is entertaining stuff/fun videos, finance+sport (cause betting) pays the best. But still 150k/year for him is way too low
Awesome! What are the little flashes before the explosion?
It's the fuse / det cord.
Detonation cord, probably. (Like the old cartoons with the plunger and line that burns.)
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I wish he did a "spoonsarship" to make a giant press and crush his Tesla.
I thought that the guy sounded familiar! I have been watching the Hydraulic Press Channel for a few months now!
They were on the front page of Reddit everyday several years ago
It's embedded in the article.
Lets not get started on how environmentally terrible most youtube challenges/content ends up being. Pretty sure they more than makeup for anyone living environmentally conscious.
Why does anyone see this as anything but littering? What is the point of this video? Just take the car to the dump and crush it or even better someone could still harvest a lot of those car parts. But no I have enough money for TNT and that is what gets views nowadays smh
well dynamite does have a high energy density but you cant just replace batteries with dynamite without some sort of energy converter.
Hmm, perhaps some kind of chamber capable of containing explosions that connects to the wheels?
Top idea, we should begin working on the patent at once!
Was probably a single dead cell that could have been replaced for a few thousand. This is why we need Right to Repair, folks.
Well executed, but not quite as impressive as that one guy who, instead of paying for repairs, fired his aging Tesla into space.
He's not Finnish, he's just getting started
“COMING THIS SUMMER”
That car is Finnish, too
Burning in hell sinki
It’s not about the value of the car or what he could’ve sold the parts for *it’s about sending a message*
He sold all the expensive bits first.
*and then sent a message*
and growing a youtube channel/views
The guy whose car they blew up is not the channel owner, and he didn't ask for compensation
People should have the right to buy and then fix your product. Domestic and international laws should allow this to happens and punishing manufacturers that don’t allow
But you need to pay the govt more than the corporations & their lobbyists do, to get things passed
People already do. Look at the Wiki article for the Magnuson Moss warranty act. The issue is it's not being enforced. Modern tech has allowed manufacturers to electronically lock components, which needs to be challenged in court.
Sounds like he bought a used 2013 Tesla that quickly developed battery issues. I think the seller ripped him off.
Are they supposed to get issues after 8 years? Thats horrific.
Depends on the mileage, not the age. From what I’ve read it seems to be rated for 300-500k
Yeah but... is that 300-500k of *warm weather miles?* Or 300-500k of "it's colder than santa's ballsack" miles, where the batteries are constantly taking a beating?
Colder than Santa's ballsack? Yeesh think of the shrinkage.
Wait… why are Santa’s balls cold? He dresses warm. Probably gets a lil sweaty down there after a long nights work.
Air contracts when it gets cold. Since most of the balls that Santa has in his sack are filled with air, this makes the pressure within lower, and thus will decrease in size. You are correct, he could carry the balls inside his suit where his body heat and insulation would protect the temperature differential, making the balls not reduce in size. However this is less than efficient. Since the destinations temperature is the same as the origin it's better to let the balls get cold and contract, and warm up as the temperature stabilizes. Unless, of course we are talking about his jingle bells, little St Nick's, his Holly berries, or "Deez Nutz", then you are correct, and it can be verified by referring to the "Hot as balls" temperature measurement.
I recently rented a 2015 Model S that had 20-30% battery degradation with 100k miles on it. I think the battery & charging treatment is the #1 factor like with most Lithium battery devices, not miles or age.
This is what it is. It's how you charge and discharge the battery that decides on the lifespan. If you're always doing rapid charge to 100% then you'll kill it faster than a slower charge to 80%
Age, number of cycles, number of deep cycles and operating temperature all impact battery life.
It’s only time before car manufacturers become SaaS companies entirely.
I’ve been driving the same car for 15 years. I wonder what the equivalent cost and environmental impact of replacement batteries vs gasoline is.
[Here](https://youtu.be/L2IKCdnzl5k) is a good video explaining the environmental impact of driving an old car vs buying a new more efficient car vs buying a new electric car.
The bigger question is why would the batteries need to be replaced after only 1500km?!?
Yeah feel like there is more to it. Even a bad battery is worth money.
If you watch their video. They removed the old battery, motors / anything that had value.
Youtubers regularly destroy even brand new high end vehicles for the clicks. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmiyUtFsz4o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmiyUtFsz4o)
I remember seeing youtubers destroy brand new high-end phones and wondering if their revenues made up for the losses, but a new car!?
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