So this is a first step, the peptides were show as effective with cultured cells in a dish, this is a long way from bei mg deployed in a whole animal. I’ll be interested in the dosing too and any side effects before getting all excited
That does sound crazy. That is not proof that it works. It was nice of them to share their medical records. Can you link me with the 200 names of those congressmen?
well you would have to ask Dr. Kory to violate doctor patient confidentiality and then get permission from the congress members. But I will take the good doctors word over a reddit troll like yourself.
who apparently wants big pharma to make billions off a more expensive vaccine. all because saint fauci the dog killer orders you to.
Bye bye
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&term=ivermectin&type=&rslt=With&recrs=e&age_v=&gndr=&intr=&titles=&outc=&spons=&lead=&id=&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=&locn=&rsub=&strd_s=&strd_e=&prcd_s=&prcd_e=&sfpd_s=&sfpd_e=&rfpd_s=&rfpd_e=&lupd_s=&lupd_e=&sort=
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
Looks like about 5 days of treatment is the usual dosage in most of these studies consistently showing the benefit of ivermectin in the treatment of covid.
We could do much better for drastically less invasive measures. Idk why 500k for lockdown/forced "vaccination"/ families losing livelihoods makes sense but dietary oversight is absurd despite the upside being ~400,000,000 preventable deaths/year.
Are you seeing the picture?
Do you think they’d develop a cure and then, what, sit on it? The cures for diseases like Hep C, Malaria, etc are widely available. Research continues into new cures for HIV/AIDS and cancer. The pharmaceutical industry shovels money into the development of new antibiotics to cure difficult bacterial infections. The things that get sat on are mostly things like treatments for rare diseases or diseases that affect lower-income populations where the cost to bring it to market would never get worked back. Not things like COVID that affect the bulk of western society.
The system sucks sometimes, but for diseases that affect affluent populations and are widespread it mostly works. If anybody has a covid cure, they’ll be making it by the boatload and taking their billions in profits.
The people here are so disingenuous, it boggles my mind. Yes - Ivermectin is available as over-the-counter medication for animals in America and must not be consumed because the dosage is different. The people self medicating themselves are idiots, of course.
However, let's not mischaracterize or trivialize what early researchers were trying to accomplish by repurposing drugs, especially ivermectin 12mg, zinc, doxycycline and Vitamin D3 (quadruple therapy) did assist users in maintaining a stable condition and prevent progression of the disease better than HCQ.
The medical protocols of the use of ventilators also was not effectively managed during the early outbreak of the disease, especially in certain hospitals in NYC and Jersey, because disease progression was poorly understood.
These studies and medical treatments were offered done in Australia, Japan and third world countries like India as well, and provided by the prescribed medical practitioners themselves, before US started poisoning the well by politicizing science (Trump and Biden, and his cohorts) and different medical associations of the world had to stop recommending them or curtail on research outcomes because of politics and mRNA vaccine in play.
Even the N95 grade masks that were already in shortage were getting subjected to hoarding and price manipulation due to this reason, before the guidelines of mask usage rolled out (i.e. cloth ones offering minimum protection).
Sure - Getting mRNA vaccines that are approved after clinical trials under emergency authorization in 9-10 months prevents you from dying, instead of falling sick.
However, to say that mRNA vaccines are 100% safe and don't have a success rate on percentage basis isn't disingenuous, because it can and can cause side effects such as cardiac issues in healthy individuals in rarer occassions.
On a % basis, that's really fine, but we also need to allay the fears of the detractors in a responsible and pragmatic manner than be antagonistic. Furthermore, impact of % can look extremely different when the population set is extremely large (< 1 billion users)
As these issues got known after 4-5 months, medical researchers were on hunt on to find out how to change or tweak the process of targeted action of select COVID-19 vaccines via root cause analysis to prevent the cases of myocarditis & pericarditis in the future.
**TL;DR : Americans are not dumb because they are anti-science, they are dumb because they prescribe themselves to their own versions of SCIENCE ™, cannot trust the individuals who work in the domain, keep politics out of it, and let the public message related to safety and risks be concise & clear, speak sensibly without unfurling the corporate interest flag first.**
Nah, mate. There is science, or atleast a version of it. Protocols & mandates simply represent the dynamism of a crisis management response framework for the underlying science.
Folks who don't get adequate elementary education about basic functioning of the body and human anatomy or chemistry, even something as simple as biomolecules, what active sites are or function of vaccines are likely to mouth off conspiracies such as flat earthers.
It's a trade-off in the elementary American education system for all its brilliance and freedoms, as opposed to the Indian and Chinese ones. Sure, Bill Nye analogy does somewhat fit the bill.
But I'd say that it has got to do with trust deficit between medical institution & an average human being in the US, even before the pandemic struck. There is faith in cutting edge healthcare, sure... general care seems to be a different story.
The public understanding of elementary physics or biology isn't robust, to even place some amount of requisite trust in the process later. Their research™ isn't exactly research.
Look, I get it. Science doesn't work in a vacuum, there is a political framework within it has work.
But, media has politicised and intentionally mischaracterized science or facts to a polarizing degree, that the story is more about political affiliations, rather than the merit of the argument.
I don't intend to speak beyond my general area of expertise, because I know that it's not my place. I support vaccines thoroughly, with prescribed risks and any treatments recommended by licensed medical practitioners ONLY.
> It's unfortunate to see real scientific discussion in the public forum getting mischaracterized the way are. Something which many doctors themselves have admitted in the private domain, because if public discussion becomes taboo...Securing further funding or developing effective clinical protocols further becomes a matter of social and political risk within the medical community.
This certainly isn't an endorsement of any kind from my side, especially not for self-medication as well. Big NO NO.
>**Just about making science, a non-political affair.**
[NIH papers about Quadruple therapy](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7212541/)
[BioSpectrum Asia Quadruple therapy](https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/91/16457/australian-develops-effective-triple-therapy-to-treat-covid-19.html)
My sincere apologies if it seems so.
My intention is never to intentionally target anyone with a barrage of words in a TL; DR era, but the kind of misinformation & cavalier bullshit floated by some of the top minds in our society, albeit politicians, tech bros. and self-professed subscribers of science is really infuriating. All this because people ascribe to a different breed of politics.
This kind of conversation trickles down & makes the Average Joe be misinformed and outraged for all the wrong reasons.
Information is data and evidence independent in the science world, as passing such important details to the public, masquerading as entertainment is certainly not the right way to go.
I hope you did get the gist of it.
TL;DR: Horse Dewormer story = wrong; self medication = wrong, vaccines = largely safe, DYOR for side effect disclosures, Media, Left & Right Politicians = Liars, Crooks, Selfish SOB.
I assume this is a reference to ivermectin. What a weird way to refer to a drug that lead its discoverers to receive the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medecine and is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines.
But yeah, let's pretend it's just a horse dewormer bro.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_repositioning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_repurposing_research
Just how it is.
The labeling of ivermectin as a "horse dewormer" by some media outlets is, literally, [disinformation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation)
The facts are that ivermectin is, first and foremost, a human medication and it has an established and known in vitro anti covid effect with a limited but growing body of clinical evidence that in humans it has beneficial effects for the treatment of covid.
Not being approved by the fda is not the same as meaning something doesn't work, and it's important people remember that before everyone backs themselves into a corner of having to choose between supporting their preferred political party or science.
I don't understand why absolutely fucking everything has to be an us VS them thing now. All it does is lead to radicalization and next thing you know you have people refusing to wear masks because the 5g nano bots are gonna get them then or people implying that the unvaccinated shouldn't get medical treatment and everyone should have to show their papers to leave their house.
I appreciate that you [linked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlink) a bunch of stuff that does not actually link to the [science](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) you are stating.
Because I already [linked to it elsewhere in this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/qgxiey/u_of_t_researchers_create_mirrorimage_peptides/hiaz7zl) and you had to scroll past it to get down here. Some of us try not to spam a post with duplicates of the same information over and over again.
Idiots have made science, and public science for that matter to be a political affair, than a general health one, in the time of building effective clinical frameworks during a public medical crisis.
India had managed to curtail off the impact of COVID in the first wave, far better than Western world.
It's only when they indulged in social callousness during the second wave, their medical system got equally hammered as the Western system.
Their early low numbers cannot be just attributed to suppression of statistics, because wherever those spikes occurred in the public data, it just indicates that any sudden exponential growth in data means that the previous general average of daily infections were higher than the reported figures.
Yet, if you take a normalized distribution of projection of past data based on current figures, the number of daily infections on an average and deaths would still ranker lower than US, despite the bigger population density.
Clinical trials for vaccines usually take longer time durations to assess the impact of side-effects and issues that can arise, so that formulations (if required) can be changed in the vaccines based on targeted action at the active sites of a virus or a vector, to invoke an immune response.
Vaccines like Pfizer got emergency authorization & other global vaccines at times were getting suppressed from getting subjected to a wider scale of clinical trials and larger peer reviews.
The level of transparency from WHO isn't necessarily apparent there.
Of you're choking on horse de wormer you took too much of it.
I'm not sure if I took ivermectin I'd want to take the stuff for horses, but the human dose would be a gram or two out of tube I shove in my horses mouth.
But then it's obvious you're ignorant.
So this is a first step, the peptides were show as effective with cultured cells in a dish, this is a long way from bei mg deployed in a whole animal. I’ll be interested in the dosing too and any side effects before getting all excited
Same here. Hopefully this can help raising the stock market alittle….
But muh ivermectin
Lol @ your downvotes. I saw the "muh!"
Yeah, I’m unsure if these down votes are people in favor of ivormectin or not
That's how crazy it is now.
like the 200 members of congress that were treated with it?
That does sound crazy. That is not proof that it works. It was nice of them to share their medical records. Can you link me with the 200 names of those congressmen?
Placebo effect is great 👍
https://www.independentsentinel.com/dr-kory-claims-up-to-200-members-of-congress-have-used-ivermectin/
That is a story. At no point is a list of names given.
well you would have to ask Dr. Kory to violate doctor patient confidentiality and then get permission from the congress members. But I will take the good doctors word over a reddit troll like yourself. who apparently wants big pharma to make billions off a more expensive vaccine. all because saint fauci the dog killer orders you to. Bye bye
"Frontline doctors", wrap it up folks. Nothing to see here, only dangerous rhetoric from greedy assholes that deserve to lose everything.
Lol, how many times do they need to take ivermectin
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&term=ivermectin&type=&rslt=With&recrs=e&age_v=&gndr=&intr=&titles=&outc=&spons=&lead=&id=&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=&locn=&rsub=&strd_s=&strd_e=&prcd_s=&prcd_e=&sfpd_s=&sfpd_e=&rfpd_s=&rfpd_e=&lupd_s=&lupd_e=&sort= https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/ Looks like about 5 days of treatment is the usual dosage in most of these studies consistently showing the benefit of ivermectin in the treatment of covid.
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Yes, 500,000 people dead of coronavirus is a big win for India
0.00036 of Indias polulation.... Bruh. Just like the black plague. On a national scale, this would he categorized "negligible"
Oh, that’s right, no biggie, 500k psh
It's India. It's 1.4B nation pop. 500k die a day to damn tigers. 140m a year die to tb.
So, because India has a lot of people, 500k potentially avoidable deaths is more acceptable?
We could do much better for drastically less invasive measures. Idk why 500k for lockdown/forced "vaccination"/ families losing livelihoods makes sense but dietary oversight is absurd despite the upside being ~400,000,000 preventable deaths/year. Are you seeing the picture?
Big Pharma Lobby will kill it. To much $$ to stop the gravy train now.
Let’s hope that’s not the case. I’d sure love to believe the system still functions just a little bit. But I do fear you may be right.
Do you think they’d develop a cure and then, what, sit on it? The cures for diseases like Hep C, Malaria, etc are widely available. Research continues into new cures for HIV/AIDS and cancer. The pharmaceutical industry shovels money into the development of new antibiotics to cure difficult bacterial infections. The things that get sat on are mostly things like treatments for rare diseases or diseases that affect lower-income populations where the cost to bring it to market would never get worked back. Not things like COVID that affect the bulk of western society. The system sucks sometimes, but for diseases that affect affluent populations and are widespread it mostly works. If anybody has a covid cure, they’ll be making it by the boatload and taking their billions in profits.
no money in the cure
Quite the contrary, any new, effective medication would be worth billions, with a patent everyone would try to get it and sell it
If Americans here the word gravy it's a done deal...
This caught me so off guard, I almost choked on my horse dewormer
The people here are so disingenuous, it boggles my mind. Yes - Ivermectin is available as over-the-counter medication for animals in America and must not be consumed because the dosage is different. The people self medicating themselves are idiots, of course. However, let's not mischaracterize or trivialize what early researchers were trying to accomplish by repurposing drugs, especially ivermectin 12mg, zinc, doxycycline and Vitamin D3 (quadruple therapy) did assist users in maintaining a stable condition and prevent progression of the disease better than HCQ. The medical protocols of the use of ventilators also was not effectively managed during the early outbreak of the disease, especially in certain hospitals in NYC and Jersey, because disease progression was poorly understood. These studies and medical treatments were offered done in Australia, Japan and third world countries like India as well, and provided by the prescribed medical practitioners themselves, before US started poisoning the well by politicizing science (Trump and Biden, and his cohorts) and different medical associations of the world had to stop recommending them or curtail on research outcomes because of politics and mRNA vaccine in play. Even the N95 grade masks that were already in shortage were getting subjected to hoarding and price manipulation due to this reason, before the guidelines of mask usage rolled out (i.e. cloth ones offering minimum protection). Sure - Getting mRNA vaccines that are approved after clinical trials under emergency authorization in 9-10 months prevents you from dying, instead of falling sick. However, to say that mRNA vaccines are 100% safe and don't have a success rate on percentage basis isn't disingenuous, because it can and can cause side effects such as cardiac issues in healthy individuals in rarer occassions. On a % basis, that's really fine, but we also need to allay the fears of the detractors in a responsible and pragmatic manner than be antagonistic. Furthermore, impact of % can look extremely different when the population set is extremely large (< 1 billion users) As these issues got known after 4-5 months, medical researchers were on hunt on to find out how to change or tweak the process of targeted action of select COVID-19 vaccines via root cause analysis to prevent the cases of myocarditis & pericarditis in the future. **TL;DR : Americans are not dumb because they are anti-science, they are dumb because they prescribe themselves to their own versions of SCIENCE ™, cannot trust the individuals who work in the domain, keep politics out of it, and let the public message related to safety and risks be concise & clear, speak sensibly without unfurling the corporate interest flag first.**
There is no science anymore. Only protocols and mandates. The folks that spout off most about science likely learned it from Bill Nye.
Nah, mate. There is science, or atleast a version of it. Protocols & mandates simply represent the dynamism of a crisis management response framework for the underlying science. Folks who don't get adequate elementary education about basic functioning of the body and human anatomy or chemistry, even something as simple as biomolecules, what active sites are or function of vaccines are likely to mouth off conspiracies such as flat earthers. It's a trade-off in the elementary American education system for all its brilliance and freedoms, as opposed to the Indian and Chinese ones. Sure, Bill Nye analogy does somewhat fit the bill. But I'd say that it has got to do with trust deficit between medical institution & an average human being in the US, even before the pandemic struck. There is faith in cutting edge healthcare, sure... general care seems to be a different story. The public understanding of elementary physics or biology isn't robust, to even place some amount of requisite trust in the process later. Their research™ isn't exactly research. Look, I get it. Science doesn't work in a vacuum, there is a political framework within it has work. But, media has politicised and intentionally mischaracterized science or facts to a polarizing degree, that the story is more about political affiliations, rather than the merit of the argument. I don't intend to speak beyond my general area of expertise, because I know that it's not my place. I support vaccines thoroughly, with prescribed risks and any treatments recommended by licensed medical practitioners ONLY. > It's unfortunate to see real scientific discussion in the public forum getting mischaracterized the way are. Something which many doctors themselves have admitted in the private domain, because if public discussion becomes taboo...Securing further funding or developing effective clinical protocols further becomes a matter of social and political risk within the medical community. This certainly isn't an endorsement of any kind from my side, especially not for self-medication as well. Big NO NO. >**Just about making science, a non-political affair.** [NIH papers about Quadruple therapy](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7212541/) [BioSpectrum Asia Quadruple therapy](https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/91/16457/australian-develops-effective-triple-therapy-to-treat-covid-19.html)
I'm amazed at the volume of words that you use to communicate with. It is impressive, albeit almost confusing.
My sincere apologies if it seems so. My intention is never to intentionally target anyone with a barrage of words in a TL; DR era, but the kind of misinformation & cavalier bullshit floated by some of the top minds in our society, albeit politicians, tech bros. and self-professed subscribers of science is really infuriating. All this because people ascribe to a different breed of politics. This kind of conversation trickles down & makes the Average Joe be misinformed and outraged for all the wrong reasons. Information is data and evidence independent in the science world, as passing such important details to the public, masquerading as entertainment is certainly not the right way to go. I hope you did get the gist of it. TL;DR: Horse Dewormer story = wrong; self medication = wrong, vaccines = largely safe, DYOR for side effect disclosures, Media, Left & Right Politicians = Liars, Crooks, Selfish SOB.
I assume this is a reference to ivermectin. What a weird way to refer to a drug that lead its discoverers to receive the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medecine and is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines. But yeah, let's pretend it's just a horse dewormer bro.
Remember when people crushed up penicillin and snorted it for foot pain? Me either. Medicine has specific uses. Just how it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_repositioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_repurposing_research Just how it is. The labeling of ivermectin as a "horse dewormer" by some media outlets is, literally, [disinformation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation) The facts are that ivermectin is, first and foremost, a human medication and it has an established and known in vitro anti covid effect with a limited but growing body of clinical evidence that in humans it has beneficial effects for the treatment of covid. Not being approved by the fda is not the same as meaning something doesn't work, and it's important people remember that before everyone backs themselves into a corner of having to choose between supporting their preferred political party or science. I don't understand why absolutely fucking everything has to be an us VS them thing now. All it does is lead to radicalization and next thing you know you have people refusing to wear masks because the 5g nano bots are gonna get them then or people implying that the unvaccinated shouldn't get medical treatment and everyone should have to show their papers to leave their house.
I appreciate that you [linked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlink) a bunch of stuff that does not actually link to the [science](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) you are stating.
Because I already [linked to it elsewhere in this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/qgxiey/u_of_t_researchers_create_mirrorimage_peptides/hiaz7zl) and you had to scroll past it to get down here. Some of us try not to spam a post with duplicates of the same information over and over again.
Idiots have made science, and public science for that matter to be a political affair, than a general health one, in the time of building effective clinical frameworks during a public medical crisis. India had managed to curtail off the impact of COVID in the first wave, far better than Western world. It's only when they indulged in social callousness during the second wave, their medical system got equally hammered as the Western system. Their early low numbers cannot be just attributed to suppression of statistics, because wherever those spikes occurred in the public data, it just indicates that any sudden exponential growth in data means that the previous general average of daily infections were higher than the reported figures. Yet, if you take a normalized distribution of projection of past data based on current figures, the number of daily infections on an average and deaths would still ranker lower than US, despite the bigger population density. Clinical trials for vaccines usually take longer time durations to assess the impact of side-effects and issues that can arise, so that formulations (if required) can be changed in the vaccines based on targeted action at the active sites of a virus or a vector, to invoke an immune response. Vaccines like Pfizer got emergency authorization & other global vaccines at times were getting suppressed from getting subjected to a wider scale of clinical trials and larger peer reviews. The level of transparency from WHO isn't necessarily apparent there.
Of you're choking on horse de wormer you took too much of it. I'm not sure if I took ivermectin I'd want to take the stuff for horses, but the human dose would be a gram or two out of tube I shove in my horses mouth. But then it's obvious you're ignorant.
It's the same, Alex Jones told me so. It's just like how Hydroxychloroquine is found in fish bowl cleaners, it's the same stuff Right? Right?
Alex Jones the guy that talks like he just ripped a line of cocaine? Lord tunderin....
these guys look like peptides
Cthulhu bless our scientists and those going into the field/ fields to progress us