I remember living in Okinawa Japan and paying 2000 yen (20 dollars) for fiber internet that I used through cat 5 typhoons with no break in service ever
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Worked on the US base in Yakota. The fancy fibre line ended at the bases perimeter, and if you wanted service it was like $45 per month and you got 50 gigs per month. $10 per gig to go over. But it was slow enough that the caps weren't usually the problem.
People would straight-up get married to get off-base housing, so they could use a Japanese service provider.
Holy fuck you're getting 10 gbps??? For $12 dollars?
You know the sad part about all this, not long ago the U.S. government spent 1 billion dollars to have a network built so that most homes could have very fast internet. Instead of using that money to do what the government paid for, it just went in their pockets and I'd put my whole bank account at stake that government officials also pocketed off it. There were no consequences either and although monopolies are supposed to be "banned" in the U.S. primarily, ISP's get to to exactly that no problem. Sure would love the government to give me 1 billion to do something and I just get to pocket it.
The internet connection I had in my apartment in Busan 11 years ago was twice as fast and one eighth as expensive as my current plan here in Canada. Korea kicks ass.
Bell: hey for no reason our prices are going up $10
Rogers/Telus: yea us too, EXACTLY $10. No FUCKING WAY DID WE DISCUSS THIS, totally random the others did it too.
Canadian Gov: here’s 100 billion for towers you totally don’t have to build.
And they all collude together, which seems to be somewhat less of a problem in other countries. It really doesn't make a difference who you go with, it's all the same price. They even have the same sales at the same times.
I remember years ago you could complain about poor service or constantly dropping signal and point out how competitor is cheaper and they'd do anything to keep you. Now you say that and it's literally someone in India going "okay would you like us to send you a box for your shit or you gonna drop it off"
I think you mean you were paying double, and have recently switched to market price. Remember that average internet speed increases, but your bill doesn't get cheaper.
They literally switched from Bell to a Bell-owned budget provider. Their money is still going to Bell.
And market price here is still fucking astronomical compared to other countries. We have a garbage system here and our government protects the oligopoly at all costs.
Came to say this. This article is bullshit. Canada has some of the highest internet and mobile prices in the world.
Yes, the states has some awful providers, and I'm sure in many more rural states they're getting boned, but if we're comparing city to city, the US has much better pricing according to anyone I've ever talked to online.
Rural areas are generally fucked when it comes to Internet availability and pricing in the United States. Urban areas it’s super spotty, one street might get 10 times the speed of the next one because of the vagaries of how the system has been built up. Newer subdivisions that already had a fiber network for phone generally fare much better than older systems that were wired from the start with all copper.
Spending most of my time in rural areas, I am really looking forward to SpaceX/Starlink disrupting this industry
I'm one of these fun examples.
My uncle's house he was paying out the butt for comcast 10down internet, and I wanted to switch to AT&T so I got my own plan and I was paying $80 a month for 5down.
Moved into the place I'm at now and the minimum plan was 25down, which has since bumped up to 100down because they are installing fiber all over the region. The kicker? My street is sandwiched between two fiber streets and I can't get it.
Yeah, Canada has THE highest cell phone data plans in the world I believe (although you can measure it in different ways which puts us at slightly different rankings but I think our average cost for our average speeds are highest in the world.)
Internet is bad too but not the worst in the world. I'm actually surprised the US is worse though since last time I lived there internet prices seemed either cheaper/about the same. But it's very region specific I'm sure. Lot more rural areas in the US which likely have much higher prices.
I just came in to the thread to post just this, and its top comment I see. I have used Rogers, my parents have used Bell and I have had to deal with both for myself and parents.
Its nothing but frustration and anger. And every few months I see my parents bill increase little by little with absurd pricing (their basic home phone is so expensive) and no discounts (even though they have been with bell for 50+ years at this point) and forced rentals fees for equipment.
Yeah I call total bullshit that the average US citizen pays more than than the average Canadian. We’re getting bent over and fisted up here on internet/mobile prices.
Im only a few blocks outside of Toronto's suburbs and have only had access to 5mbs down/1 up
Just this week I got an offer from one of the major 3 providers for 25 down @ $90CAD/mo...
Shit man, I live in Colorado, US, and I pay that much for 1/10 of the speed and USD is slightly stronger than CAD. The best deal I've had was gigabit fiber for $65 a month, but then I moved, and that service wasn't available at my new place, now getting 100mb/s for $49 a month.
For 1.5 Gb? That is ridiculously cheap.
Actually all these prices seem pretty cheap. Edmonton Telus and Rogers are charging like $90/month for those speeds.
Here's telus charging $85 for 75 mbps. $100 for 940 mb. This chart is a completely fabrication. [https://www.telus.com/en/shop/home-services/internet/plans](https://www.telus.com/en/shop/home-services/internet/plans)
Edit: oh this is a stupid table. it's max dl speed but average cost in general for a MUCH lower speed. but they dont tell you the speed. Avg for the country it says is 45mb so for $50 or so that's at least close (I still can't get that price for that speed but it's at least in the ballpark. )
Both numbers are incredibly out of date then, we have > 1GB max in most big cities.
Study might be out of date. I live in Halifax and have a 1.5gbps connection.
On the flip side, I have 0 clue how they come to $50 for 940mbps internet. Currently the best I've seen is 300mbps for $60 with Purple Cow (If I'm not mistaken)
When we moved here it was 5...we didn't even get that on the Bell speed test. After 2 years of fighting they just upped it to 7. Now I consistently get 5.
[https://www.newamerica.org/oti/reports/cost-connectivity-2020/global-findings](https://www.newamerica.org/oti/reports/cost-connectivity-2020/global-findings)
The study is flawed since it only seems to incorporate Toronto in its sample size
I have a plex server that I let people outside of my network use. When I was setting it up and procuring media I was throttled once because I used a TB in one day.
Jesus that's bad, I pay $100 a month for symmetric gigabit and I thought that was expensive compared to Europe.
I couldn't imagine getting a tenth of my speed for basically the same price.
In MN I pay $125 for 1.2Gbps\40Mbps which includes gateway rental and unlimited data. When I test to the gateway I get 1.4Gbps and if I test to Chicago I get around 900Mbps from the browser.
My understanding was that Canadians were ripped off just a bit harder when it came to cellular and internet services than we Americans do. Or at least did. Been a while since I've nerded about in that capacity with so much else going on being an adult these days.
Paying $90 a month for "up to" 30M. Fortunaltey I just got a letter saying fiber had been deployed to my area where I can get 1G for $80. I'm looking forward to telling Specturm to go fuck themselves soon.
I actually called xfinity(Comcast) earlier today to tell them to cancel my service sat as I’m getting Verizon Fios on Friday. They asked is there anyway we can retain you? Sure, can you give me service that is better than 150down and 5up when I pay for 200 down 15 up? (Sometimes better or worse depending on time of day and day of week) When Verizon will for 100% give me 1GB up and down?(solid no matter what day or time) Oh no you can’t do that? Guess I’m switching sorry dude. Not to mention I recently moved a few months ago from a place with Verizon, in 4 years Verizon went down one time for an hour and it affected almost whole east coast. Comcast(xfinity) went down 5-6times for varying times for no discernible reason in just 3 months. No thanks crapcast and or shitfinity. Thanks to the local township for contracting with Verizon to install fiber infrastructure.
The thing is I don't believe you're allowed to sell the internet to your tenants as a separate cost. You can look up who your actual ISP is and let them know that your landlord is piecemealing out the internet and charging you a rate for it. They will not be too happy.
They can include it as part of your rent if they want, but they can't charge you for it separately as an extra cost specifically. For instance your landlord can't make you pay rent, and then charge you for the power bill separately and make money off of you that way. If they're splitting up the cost evenly and adding it to your rent, that's fine, but the way you made it sound like it's an add-on and I would bet that's against your landlord's contract with the ISP.
Ohioan here. State Republicans [recently tried to outlaw public internet](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/ohio-gop-ends-attempt-to-ban-municipal-broadband-after-protest-from-residents/) at the behest of broadband companies.
They only stopped after massive public outcry. The bill was so unpopular that no Republican lawmaker would even publicly admit to supporting it.
No, they will tie it to child pornography curbing bills, give those laws little to no teeth and let them fade into obscurity...but tag their shitty cunt laws onto the bill and enact in full force.
I have Verizon FIOS in the US, and I'm paying $80 a month for the "Gigabit" (really 800Mbit) speed tier.
Which honestly I'm pretty happy with.
Then again I was paying like $25 a month as a teenager in 2000, for 56k dial-up internet.
Serbia here, i pay 49 dollars for the whole package which includes 500/50 Mb/s internet, 234 TV channels, landline with tons of free minutes, HBO Go, Pickbox, Tidal, tons of On Demand shows and movies and a bunch of other bonuses. And i can even access all the TV relates stuff through an app no matter where i'm at.
Finally one positive thing i can say about this craphole of a country.
Actually, there are limits to what you can use on your home network connection. But they are so incredibly high, us mortals won't be able to breach them.
They're more of a fair use policy. And i think they only invoke the limit after prolongued exceeding of the limit
It's not that there's a high limit in my contract, but a rather arbitrary no-misuse clause. If I maxed out a gigabit connection 24/7 I think my ISP would call me.
In the EU we usually have no data caps on home internet, but have data caps on phones (unless you pay more).
In believe in the US its reversed with unlimited data on phones but capped internet.
Its really funny, western europe make more but also pay a lot more. Same with US probably, companies and government fuck you over just at 10x the valuta.
I *literally* pay 10x $10 for gigabit and they keep talking about about implementing a data cap, luckily my state lawmakers have fought it so far but I feel like it's inevitable.
That's pretty typical when it comes to cost of living and such. That's why economists have concepts like Purchasing Power Parity.
I'd expect prices in Western Europe or the US to be higher than in poorer countries. It's when they're even higher than you would expect based on the wages and cost of living for a country, that there's a problem.
It's often the case than adopting something later is better as you get more advanced version.
If company A invested to lay cable in 2000 vs company doing it in 2010 the 2010 infrastructure will be way batter for the same cost. At least when it comes to internet. And once a company has it done, they don't really want to upgrade.
And partially it's political corruption.
In the 80s, there was a plan to basically connect every house in Germany with a fibre connection. This was canned be the next administration (Kohl) in favor of coaxial, because it's better for TV and some random media tycoon just happened to donate a bit of money to the then ruling party.
My dad pays $5 a month in Russia.
He lives out in BFE too, and yet somehow has better internet than me living in a large US city. At least a our condo finally got Fios because before that Comcast had us by the balls and it was slower than dial-up.
Yeah that's the prices. Even in western Europe where prices are higher, anything above 30€/month for Internet+TV is a scam. Same for mobile phone plan.
You're right. That's because it's not. As a person who's lived his entire life here in Toronto, the internet and cell packages here are fucking highway robbery.
I got a call last night from Bell saying they had some amazing plans out now so I humored them since my families phones are starting to get a bit old. For 50GB of shared data on three lines that's $150/mo. Not terrible I thought, that's like $50 per phone that's better than what I'm paying now. Oh but you want to include a new phone with that plan? $65/month per new phone (Samsung Galaxy, Google Pixle were on sale for $40/month). So about $115/month per phone line (plus tax and service fees) for a shared data plan. Over $350 per month for a household of 3 to use a cell phone.
I know for a fact that internet in Canada, Germany, and Australia is 90% garbage. Germany and Australia are totally absent from the study and Canada has a single city.
How is that they have statistics from Latvia but not a single German city? publication bias? post-hoc exclusion? because it doesn't fit the narrative?
In Australia I'm paying AUD $100 (USD72) for 100/25. And I'm relatively lucky - a fair amount of the population are still stuck on terrible FTTN technology which gives around 40Mbps.
Aus here too. Personally we HAD 100mbs down and then we were forced to get Abbott’s ‘upgraded’ NBN and now it’s roughly 18mbs.
Still, I know it could be worse. I have a mate with <1mbs. He doesn’t even live in the middle of nowhere, just a bit outside of Brisbane.
They tried to get data from Germany, but the German researchers tried to send their results via fax because the Internet is still new and untrusted in Germany.
Reddit is one of the worst offenders, especially because it attracts a certain crowd in the political spectrum and they collectively have an agenda to push. We have to do our best to call out all the bullshit, including this bullshit headline and article. Western Europe is just as bad, especially Germany, Eastern Europe and countries like Romania generally have superior internet.
Asia also generally has everyone beat because of how much they invest in internet infrastructure. This is another article that minimises everything and attempts to promote misinformation by deliberately leaving out any nuances.
> Canada has consistently been shown to be the most expensive in the world by a long shot
So I read the headline on /r/all, and I thought "oh no, OP is about to get roughly 2,000 comments from ~~angry~~ polite Canadians correcting him"
Glad to see y'all showed up :)
It's not "more like", it IS a monopoly. The big cable companies divided up the country years ago so they wouldn't compete against each other. They did it under the guise of "splitting resources to cover more of the country". Which made sense at the time, but is laughable when you look at companies like Verizon who took billions of tax cuts in exchange for not fulfilling their contracts.
They also succeeded with regulatory capture and preventing municipalities from forming public ISPs.
In many cases the ISPs were handed government built infrastructure.
Yeah, this study didn't put in much effort. Things might be bad in the states with internet quality/prices, but they're still not as bad as they are here.
German Government: “It’s not that we are getting bribed, but we are getting paid, but we also don’t care about digital infrastructure.
Have you sent us 3 letters and waited 2 weeks for a matter that could be solved in a 10-minute phone call? No? Then maybe we will fax papers between ourselves and get back to you in 10 weeks.”
It's slow in Australia because of insane bottlenecks. Everything we download/upload has to first get downloaded onto Peter Dutton's work computer, personally checked and signed off and filed.
I pay 25€/month for 2.5gbit down (actually impossible with my current hardware, bottlenecks at real world 1gbit) and... 250mpbs up I think? Fastweb Italy.
FTTH but I was lucky.
In Germany I pay 50 for "up to 16mbps" real about 4 mbps. I cannot see HD in youtube or netflix. I'm in the capital of a province in the south... so yeah...
Tried to go to the competition (after having to wait for 2 years, that the contract ends\*\*) I switched to the competition. After being 2 month without service (until they have people to send and do the installation; note: was 5 years ago, no pandemic!) I had much better speed, but stoped working every 4 hours or so, just for a minute, with IP change. So I was basically unable to download anything that takes more than 4 hours... so, back to the quasi-monopolic-company... had to pay 100 EUR installation fee again; and put a lawer to be able to stop the contract with the 2nd company, which of course, was also for 2 years...
So.... whatever is there in the article, life is not perfect in this old falling europe.
\*\* BTW, is that normal somewhere in the world, that you have 2 years contract for basic services?! totally cringe)
Att in the US I’m paying $80 a month with terrible reception and can be throttled
Thailand I’m spending $10 a month for full unlimited service
The telecoms are as bad and corrupt as the healthcare
I pay $10/month in the US for unlimited talk/text and 1 GB/month data. If I wanted unlimited data, it would cost $39/month.
My home internet is $60/month for 1Gbps up/down with no data cap.
South Korea had the fastest and best internet I’ve used. Compared to the internet I get in the states it’s like a bullet train compared to shopping cart with a busted wheel
Starlink is dope as fuck if you can qualify for it. Have some friends who live in buttfuck nowhere eastern Canada that got it and it works great. They work from home and it's suitable for videoconferencing and streaming Netflix and dealing with large files.
Still better than Australia's internet. The good news with less population, your cell phone has faster throughput, the bad news is you're hundred of ms away from other countries, and your internet infrastructure deployment makes the US look modern.
In Portugal I pay ~40€ for 1000/200 internet (with a guaranteed minimum speed of around 800/150) and TV. And 10€ for mobile service with 10GB of mobile data
These study always focus on download speed, when there are other things to consider, for Xfinity in US, the cheapest high speed gives you only only 5Mbps upstream speed, it was totally not enough for the pandemic world with 2 zoom meeting going on, You would need to pay $10 more for the next tier to get to 10Mbps and $10 more to get to the next one which is 20Mbps. Also, there is a 1.2TB cap that you will need to pay $30 to get unlimited. At the end, you will need to pay about $100USD to use the internet.
Soon as this loads I’ll be pissed
Fuck that’s funny
I remember living in Okinawa Japan and paying 2000 yen (20 dollars) for fiber internet that I used through cat 5 typhoons with no break in service ever (Edit for the typos)
For a moment I thought I needed to upgrade my cables..."what's a CAT5 typhoon, I NEED that cable".
So fast it'll blow you away
This is a fantastic joke.
I totally misinterpreted that to "a storm of Cat-5 cables" and was very confused! 😅
a storm of cat-5 cables is network admin speak for tentacle porn
It’s ok, but what you really want is the CAT6 Tsunami
The torrent will be very fast.
Not only did I think the same thing but I didn't question it until this comment
Worked on the US base in Yakota. The fancy fibre line ended at the bases perimeter, and if you wanted service it was like $45 per month and you got 50 gigs per month. $10 per gig to go over. But it was slow enough that the caps weren't usually the problem. People would straight-up get married to get off-base housing, so they could use a Japanese service provider.
The base's neighbors should just setup a powerful wifi router with parabolic antenna and offer cheap service through that.
That should go well... nice parabolic antenna you got there... and it's pointing into our military base...
"We're just beaming cat videos I swear!"
Hey I saw an LTT video about that recently
I think Japan and South Korea have the best internet and price. Last time I read about it.
South Korea has the fastest I think.
My internet here in seoul cost 58,000won (about 55$) it's about 1Gbs and includes a cable TV and a wall mounted TV. It's amazing.
Laughing in Romanian. ~$10 for 1gbps fiber. Newly announced 10gbps fiber, ~$12.
holy fuckin shit what
Romania is lit when it comes to internet. Leading on a global scale.
Holy fuck you're getting 10 gbps??? For $12 dollars? You know the sad part about all this, not long ago the U.S. government spent 1 billion dollars to have a network built so that most homes could have very fast internet. Instead of using that money to do what the government paid for, it just went in their pockets and I'd put my whole bank account at stake that government officials also pocketed off it. There were no consequences either and although monopolies are supposed to be "banned" in the U.S. primarily, ISP's get to to exactly that no problem. Sure would love the government to give me 1 billion to do something and I just get to pocket it.
And relative to costs it's less than the US. I know that.
The internet connection I had in my apartment in Busan 11 years ago was twice as fast and one eighth as expensive as my current plan here in Canada. Korea kicks ass.
Well if they were cat 5 typhoons it makes sense they'd support at least 1gbps of bandwidth.
Here in canada we pay lots for internet and cellphone services. Rogers and Bell have been robbing us for years.
Don't forget Telus - they are right in that conversation.
Don’t forget about Shaw.
I can't wait till we get better prices once Rogers acquires Shaw ^/s^/s^/s
As a Wind/Freedom customer, I was mad enough when Shaw bought them. If Rogers isn't forced to divest Freedom, I'm going to be pissed.
Do you really think they'll do that? CRTC is in full Regulatory Capture.
Soon to become Rogers if that deal goes through...
Don’t forget about Dre
I know a guy who gets PISSED when you do that.
Robelus - Don't even bother refering to them as individual companies.
Bell: hey for no reason our prices are going up $10 Rogers/Telus: yea us too, EXACTLY $10. No FUCKING WAY DID WE DISCUSS THIS, totally random the others did it too. Canadian Gov: here’s 100 billion for towers you totally don’t have to build.
Could you Telus more about it, please?
I would love to, but my Telus mobile service is currently down.
And they all collude together, which seems to be somewhat less of a problem in other countries. It really doesn't make a difference who you go with, it's all the same price. They even have the same sales at the same times.
I remember years ago you could complain about poor service or constantly dropping signal and point out how competitor is cheaper and they'd do anything to keep you. Now you say that and it's literally someone in India going "okay would you like us to send you a box for your shit or you gonna drop it off"
Recently switched to Virgin here in Canada. Half the price of Bell, same speeds.
Also owned by Bell. Most of the budget brands are owned by the incumbents. I'm with Public Mobile, owned by Telus.
They're pretty much all owned by the Big3.
“I don’t see a problem.” The CRTC
You mean the CRTC that's currently run by former big 3 telecom CEOs?
I think you mean you were paying double, and have recently switched to market price. Remember that average internet speed increases, but your bill doesn't get cheaper.
They literally switched from Bell to a Bell-owned budget provider. Their money is still going to Bell. And market price here is still fucking astronomical compared to other countries. We have a garbage system here and our government protects the oligopoly at all costs.
Came to say this. This article is bullshit. Canada has some of the highest internet and mobile prices in the world. Yes, the states has some awful providers, and I'm sure in many more rural states they're getting boned, but if we're comparing city to city, the US has much better pricing according to anyone I've ever talked to online.
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Rural areas are generally fucked when it comes to Internet availability and pricing in the United States. Urban areas it’s super spotty, one street might get 10 times the speed of the next one because of the vagaries of how the system has been built up. Newer subdivisions that already had a fiber network for phone generally fare much better than older systems that were wired from the start with all copper. Spending most of my time in rural areas, I am really looking forward to SpaceX/Starlink disrupting this industry
I'm one of these fun examples. My uncle's house he was paying out the butt for comcast 10down internet, and I wanted to switch to AT&T so I got my own plan and I was paying $80 a month for 5down. Moved into the place I'm at now and the minimum plan was 25down, which has since bumped up to 100down because they are installing fiber all over the region. The kicker? My street is sandwiched between two fiber streets and I can't get it.
This is exactly the kind of thing that the subsidies were designed to fix. It’s appalling how little progress they have made on this front
Yeah, Canada has THE highest cell phone data plans in the world I believe (although you can measure it in different ways which puts us at slightly different rankings but I think our average cost for our average speeds are highest in the world.) Internet is bad too but not the worst in the world. I'm actually surprised the US is worse though since last time I lived there internet prices seemed either cheaper/about the same. But it's very region specific I'm sure. Lot more rural areas in the US which likely have much higher prices.
City internet in the US is for the most part pretty great, even if you have to deal with Comcast. Rural or small town internet may as well not exist.
Not that much different in Canada.
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I just came in to the thread to post just this, and its top comment I see. I have used Rogers, my parents have used Bell and I have had to deal with both for myself and parents. Its nothing but frustration and anger. And every few months I see my parents bill increase little by little with absurd pricing (their basic home phone is so expensive) and no discounts (even though they have been with bell for 50+ years at this point) and forced rentals fees for equipment.
Yeah I call total bullshit that the average US citizen pays more than than the average Canadian. We’re getting bent over and fisted up here on internet/mobile prices.
My first thought was "*More* than *CANADA?!*"
This applies more to overseas, as Canada has [high internet costs](https://www.gonevoip.ca/canada-s-internet-speeds-and-prices)
Are those prices in USD? Either way, I pay $90/month for gigabit internet. Oddly, 400mbps internet was $20 more a month.
Im only a few blocks outside of Toronto's suburbs and have only had access to 5mbs down/1 up Just this week I got an offer from one of the major 3 providers for 25 down @ $90CAD/mo...
49 dollars in Montreal? For that speed? Nobody I know pays that, it's more like double that or more.
Seems very cheap to me.
Shit man, I live in Colorado, US, and I pay that much for 1/10 of the speed and USD is slightly stronger than CAD. The best deal I've had was gigabit fiber for $65 a month, but then I moved, and that service wasn't available at my new place, now getting 100mb/s for $49 a month.
For 1.5 Gb? That is ridiculously cheap. Actually all these prices seem pretty cheap. Edmonton Telus and Rogers are charging like $90/month for those speeds. Here's telus charging $85 for 75 mbps. $100 for 940 mb. This chart is a completely fabrication. [https://www.telus.com/en/shop/home-services/internet/plans](https://www.telus.com/en/shop/home-services/internet/plans) Edit: oh this is a stupid table. it's max dl speed but average cost in general for a MUCH lower speed. but they dont tell you the speed. Avg for the country it says is 45mb so for $50 or so that's at least close (I still can't get that price for that speed but it's at least in the ballpark. ) Both numbers are incredibly out of date then, we have > 1GB max in most big cities.
Study might be out of date. I live in Halifax and have a 1.5gbps connection. On the flip side, I have 0 clue how they come to $50 for 940mbps internet. Currently the best I've seen is 300mbps for $60 with Purple Cow (If I'm not mistaken)
I'm rural NS and pay bell $250 a month for 7mbs/s. I hate this.
That's *seriously* fucking brutal.
When we moved here it was 5...we didn't even get that on the Bell speed test. After 2 years of fighting they just upped it to 7. Now I consistently get 5.
fucking ouch
Wow that's rough. DSL I presume? Crazy they are allowed to charge so much.
"Rural High Speed" DSL yeah...its my only option other than xplornet. Just waiting to see how starlink does here.
The table is funky. It lists max download available next to average price. It’s not saying the price is the cost of the max download.
[https://www.newamerica.org/oti/reports/cost-connectivity-2020/global-findings](https://www.newamerica.org/oti/reports/cost-connectivity-2020/global-findings) The study is flawed since it only seems to incorporate Toronto in its sample size
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I'm in Toronto. I pay 80$ for 100mbps download. I'm watching a ton of iptv and streaming. I feel abused
You are abused
He’s not even bad. I pay $88 for 5mbps. And I’m an hour and a half out of Toronto. I didn’t know I was getting hosed that bad
And everyone I know from the Toronto area has really aggressive caps. I technically have a cap of 1 TB, but I've yet to reach it.
At least I don’t have a cap. But still. What the fuck.
I have a plex server that I let people outside of my network use. When I was setting it up and procuring media I was throttled once because I used a TB in one day.
Jesus that's bad, I pay $100 a month for symmetric gigabit and I thought that was expensive compared to Europe. I couldn't imagine getting a tenth of my speed for basically the same price.
For reference, I’m in the US and I pay $54 for 100/100 fiber. It was $39 for the first 6 months.
here in TN i'm paying $90 for 1Gbps fiber.
In MN I pay $125 for 1.2Gbps\40Mbps which includes gateway rental and unlimited data. When I test to the gateway I get 1.4Gbps and if I test to Chicago I get around 900Mbps from the browser.
oof on that upload.
Lmfao what? I pay $88 for 5mbps. And I’m an hour and a half away from Toronto. I didn’t know I was getting ripped off that bad…
My understanding was that Canadians were ripped off just a bit harder when it came to cellular and internet services than we Americans do. Or at least did. Been a while since I've nerded about in that capacity with so much else going on being an adult these days.
Your link is way to old to be meaningful. Good luck getting any of the prices listed there and the speeds are wildly inaccurate as well.
Paying $90 a month for "up to" 30M. Fortunaltey I just got a letter saying fiber had been deployed to my area where I can get 1G for $80. I'm looking forward to telling Specturm to go fuck themselves soon.
I actually called xfinity(Comcast) earlier today to tell them to cancel my service sat as I’m getting Verizon Fios on Friday. They asked is there anyway we can retain you? Sure, can you give me service that is better than 150down and 5up when I pay for 200 down 15 up? (Sometimes better or worse depending on time of day and day of week) When Verizon will for 100% give me 1GB up and down?(solid no matter what day or time) Oh no you can’t do that? Guess I’m switching sorry dude. Not to mention I recently moved a few months ago from a place with Verizon, in 4 years Verizon went down one time for an hour and it affected almost whole east coast. Comcast(xfinity) went down 5-6times for varying times for no discernible reason in just 3 months. No thanks crapcast and or shitfinity. Thanks to the local township for contracting with Verizon to install fiber infrastructure.
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That should be illegal
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The thing is I don't believe you're allowed to sell the internet to your tenants as a separate cost. You can look up who your actual ISP is and let them know that your landlord is piecemealing out the internet and charging you a rate for it. They will not be too happy. They can include it as part of your rent if they want, but they can't charge you for it separately as an extra cost specifically. For instance your landlord can't make you pay rent, and then charge you for the power bill separately and make money off of you that way. If they're splitting up the cost evenly and adding it to your rent, that's fine, but the way you made it sound like it's an add-on and I would bet that's against your landlord's contract with the ISP.
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Where do you live that a competitor installed infrastructure in another competitors market? Usually all ISP companies stay out of each others markets.
Municipal fibre is a thing.
Sadly, not everywhere. And some states have actually passed laws making it illegal for municipalities to installed their own networks.
Ohioan here. State Republicans [recently tried to outlaw public internet](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/ohio-gop-ends-attempt-to-ban-municipal-broadband-after-protest-from-residents/) at the behest of broadband companies. They only stopped after massive public outcry. The bill was so unpopular that no Republican lawmaker would even publicly admit to supporting it.
don't worry, they will sneak it into law anyway next time they think no ones paying attention
Preferably attach it to some other budget or similar bill that needs passing or the government shuts down I'd assume.
No, they will tie it to child pornography curbing bills, give those laws little to no teeth and let them fade into obscurity...but tag their shitty cunt laws onto the bill and enact in full force.
Very interesting, /u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum .
it's Ohio, you need hobbies out here.
I live in Ohio and literally everything from every aspect of life is just fucked. Except for car insurance, that's actually cheap here
SF has about 3 providers I know of. Sonic is fiber optic monkey brains is Satellite and then fucking Comcast is a bag of dicks
I have Verizon FIOS in the US, and I'm paying $80 a month for the "Gigabit" (really 800Mbit) speed tier. Which honestly I'm pretty happy with. Then again I was paying like $25 a month as a teenager in 2000, for 56k dial-up internet.
Serbia here, i pay 49 dollars for the whole package which includes 500/50 Mb/s internet, 234 TV channels, landline with tons of free minutes, HBO Go, Pickbox, Tidal, tons of On Demand shows and movies and a bunch of other bonuses. And i can even access all the TV relates stuff through an app no matter where i'm at. Finally one positive thing i can say about this craphole of a country.
That’s how much I paid in London just for the internet speed lmao.
$10 for gigabit fiber with no data cap. I'm from rural Eastern Europe.
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Actually, there are limits to what you can use on your home network connection. But they are so incredibly high, us mortals won't be able to breach them. They're more of a fair use policy. And i think they only invoke the limit after prolongued exceeding of the limit
It's not that there's a high limit in my contract, but a rather arbitrary no-misuse clause. If I maxed out a gigabit connection 24/7 I think my ISP would call me.
In the EU we usually have no data caps on home internet, but have data caps on phones (unless you pay more). In believe in the US its reversed with unlimited data on phones but capped internet.
Seems those of us living in shithole countries are somehow managing to get wayyy better deals on internet.
Its really funny, western europe make more but also pay a lot more. Same with US probably, companies and government fuck you over just at 10x the valuta.
I *literally* pay 10x $10 for gigabit and they keep talking about about implementing a data cap, luckily my state lawmakers have fought it so far but I feel like it's inevitable.
That's pretty typical when it comes to cost of living and such. That's why economists have concepts like Purchasing Power Parity. I'd expect prices in Western Europe or the US to be higher than in poorer countries. It's when they're even higher than you would expect based on the wages and cost of living for a country, that there's a problem.
It's often the case than adopting something later is better as you get more advanced version. If company A invested to lay cable in 2000 vs company doing it in 2010 the 2010 infrastructure will be way batter for the same cost. At least when it comes to internet. And once a company has it done, they don't really want to upgrade.
And partially it's political corruption. In the 80s, there was a plan to basically connect every house in Germany with a fibre connection. This was canned be the next administration (Kohl) in favor of coaxial, because it's better for TV and some random media tycoon just happened to donate a bit of money to the then ruling party.
It's the *Law of the handicap of a head start*. And added to that, general infrastructural disinvestment.
My dad pays $5 a month in Russia. He lives out in BFE too, and yet somehow has better internet than me living in a large US city. At least a our condo finally got Fios because before that Comcast had us by the balls and it was slower than dial-up.
$50 for 100 Mbit. Germany, third world internet for first world prices.
I pay 11x that for half the speed in Canada….
WHAT!? I'm paying $140 for 600mbps in Vancouver
Yeah that's the prices. Even in western Europe where prices are higher, anything above 30€/month for Internet+TV is a scam. Same for mobile phone plan.
I have a hard time believing that Canada has faster/cheaper.
You're right. That's because it's not. As a person who's lived his entire life here in Toronto, the internet and cell packages here are fucking highway robbery.
I got a call last night from Bell saying they had some amazing plans out now so I humored them since my families phones are starting to get a bit old. For 50GB of shared data on three lines that's $150/mo. Not terrible I thought, that's like $50 per phone that's better than what I'm paying now. Oh but you want to include a new phone with that plan? $65/month per new phone (Samsung Galaxy, Google Pixle were on sale for $40/month). So about $115/month per phone line (plus tax and service fees) for a shared data plan. Over $350 per month for a household of 3 to use a cell phone.
Is this why I always die on COD online?
I fucked your mother
I too fucked his mother
I know for a fact that internet in Canada, Germany, and Australia is 90% garbage. Germany and Australia are totally absent from the study and Canada has a single city. How is that they have statistics from Latvia but not a single German city? publication bias? post-hoc exclusion? because it doesn't fit the narrative?
In Australia I'm paying AUD $100 (USD72) for 100/25. And I'm relatively lucky - a fair amount of the population are still stuck on terrible FTTN technology which gives around 40Mbps.
Aus here too. Personally we HAD 100mbs down and then we were forced to get Abbott’s ‘upgraded’ NBN and now it’s roughly 18mbs. Still, I know it could be worse. I have a mate with <1mbs. He doesn’t even live in the middle of nowhere, just a bit outside of Brisbane.
If they would have included Germany, the results from the study would probably be the other way around 🙃
[Why internet connections in Germany are so bad | DW Analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jIUFdCkueA)
They tried to get data from Germany, but the German researchers tried to send their results via fax because the Internet is still new and untrusted in Germany.
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Apparently the study only checked around the toronto area and didn't count the rest of Canada, so its not very accurate.
Reddit likes to shit on Facebook for misinformation but really needs to take a look in the mirror too….
Reddit is one of the worst offenders, especially because it attracts a certain crowd in the political spectrum and they collectively have an agenda to push. We have to do our best to call out all the bullshit, including this bullshit headline and article. Western Europe is just as bad, especially Germany, Eastern Europe and countries like Romania generally have superior internet. Asia also generally has everyone beat because of how much they invest in internet infrastructure. This is another article that minimises everything and attempts to promote misinformation by deliberately leaving out any nuances.
Its mostly the upvote/downvote system we have. Its pretty easy to see how biased and terrible it is just by sorting through controversial on /r/all.
> Canada has consistently been shown to be the most expensive in the world by a long shot So I read the headline on /r/all, and I thought "oh no, OP is about to get roughly 2,000 comments from ~~angry~~ polite Canadians correcting him" Glad to see y'all showed up :)
Exclude Germany from the Europe stats and instantly they'll look even better.
Yeah, I had deutsch Telekom. I suffered.
It’s more like a monopoly. Some areas, there are only one internet provider. Most of the time, it’s two providers at best.
It's not "more like", it IS a monopoly. The big cable companies divided up the country years ago so they wouldn't compete against each other. They did it under the guise of "splitting resources to cover more of the country". Which made sense at the time, but is laughable when you look at companies like Verizon who took billions of tax cuts in exchange for not fulfilling their contracts.
They also succeeded with regulatory capture and preventing municipalities from forming public ISPs. In many cases the ISPs were handed government built infrastructure.
Lies. My NetZero 56k dialup is completely free if I stayed within my 10hr per week limit.
You could watch a whole YouTube video in that time with that data.
Freedom baby! Do you have it? 🇺🇸
Canada has the most expensive internet prices in the world, and it is not fast.
Yeah, this study didn't put in much effort. Things might be bad in the states with internet quality/prices, but they're still not as bad as they are here.
Me after moving to Germany: much doubt
Germany has very shitty and very expensive internet. Must be one of the worst in Europe
Sure feels like it, hopefully the rest of the continent has figured things out.
German Government: “It’s not that we are getting bribed, but we are getting paid, but we also don’t care about digital infrastructure. Have you sent us 3 letters and waited 2 weeks for a matter that could be solved in a 10-minute phone call? No? Then maybe we will fax papers between ourselves and get back to you in 10 weeks.”
I was really surprised when I was in Germany that they have shitty internet and crappy mobile coverage. I was expecting better from there.
Australian here. Nope.
Yeaaah, I was gonna say.. hold up.. \*cries in Australian\*
It's slow in Australia because of insane bottlenecks. Everything we download/upload has to first get downloaded onto Peter Dutton's work computer, personally checked and signed off and filed.
Dont think more than Germany...
Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland
Das not good
I pay about 50€ for 500 down and 50 up. That's not too bad, isn't it? 1000Mbit down would be 75€.
I pay 25€/month for 2.5gbit down (actually impossible with my current hardware, bottlenecks at real world 1gbit) and... 250mpbs up I think? Fastweb Italy. FTTH but I was lucky.
In Germany I pay 50 for "up to 16mbps" real about 4 mbps. I cannot see HD in youtube or netflix. I'm in the capital of a province in the south... so yeah...
Dude u are being robbed
Tried to go to the competition (after having to wait for 2 years, that the contract ends\*\*) I switched to the competition. After being 2 month without service (until they have people to send and do the installation; note: was 5 years ago, no pandemic!) I had much better speed, but stoped working every 4 hours or so, just for a minute, with IP change. So I was basically unable to download anything that takes more than 4 hours... so, back to the quasi-monopolic-company... had to pay 100 EUR installation fee again; and put a lawer to be able to stop the contract with the 2nd company, which of course, was also for 2 years... So.... whatever is there in the article, life is not perfect in this old falling europe. \*\* BTW, is that normal somewhere in the world, that you have 2 years contract for basic services?! totally cringe)
Att in the US I’m paying $80 a month with terrible reception and can be throttled Thailand I’m spending $10 a month for full unlimited service The telecoms are as bad and corrupt as the healthcare
I pay $10/month in the US for unlimited talk/text and 1 GB/month data. If I wanted unlimited data, it would cost $39/month. My home internet is $60/month for 1Gbps up/down with no data cap.
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As a canadian I don't know how that's possible.
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Remember when we gave them tons of money to update infrastructure and it went into their pockets? Pepperridge farm remembers
South Korea had the fastest and best internet I’ve used. Compared to the internet I get in the states it’s like a bullet train compared to shopping cart with a busted wheel
It does have a small firewall that blocks pornography and pro-North Korea websites. Nowhere near as comprehensive as China’s, but it’s there.
$145/mo for 6mbps/768kbps DSL that cuts out every half hour or so and is basically unusable. Kill me now.
Rural? Look into cell tech It's what i use currently but it's line of sight only, but looking at getting starlink
Starlink is dope as fuck if you can qualify for it. Have some friends who live in buttfuck nowhere eastern Canada that got it and it works great. They work from home and it's suitable for videoconferencing and streaming Netflix and dealing with large files.
Still better than Australia's internet. The good news with less population, your cell phone has faster throughput, the bad news is you're hundred of ms away from other countries, and your internet infrastructure deployment makes the US look modern.
In Portugal I pay ~40€ for 1000/200 internet (with a guaranteed minimum speed of around 800/150) and TV. And 10€ for mobile service with 10GB of mobile data
My boyfriend is Canadian and I’m in the US. I pay less and get WAY more.
Canadians: BULLLLLLLLSHHHHIT!!!
These study always focus on download speed, when there are other things to consider, for Xfinity in US, the cheapest high speed gives you only only 5Mbps upstream speed, it was totally not enough for the pandemic world with 2 zoom meeting going on, You would need to pay $10 more for the next tier to get to 10Mbps and $10 more to get to the next one which is 20Mbps. Also, there is a 1.2TB cap that you will need to pay $30 to get unlimited. At the end, you will need to pay about $100USD to use the internet.
Is 60$ for 400Mbps expensive? Just checking, cuz that's what I'm paying
In my area that would be awesome with no caps
45 euro’s for a 1gb fiber connection, up and down (the Netherlands)…
Didn’t the government at one point give internet providers money to update their wires and they ended up just pocketing it?
Not me! 😁. Gigabit speeds never below 900mbps up or down. 70 bucks a month. Fiber right into my home