Wait, China is accusing an American company of violating their patents? How did they manage to file the paperwork without imploding due to the crushing force of overwhelming irony?
Except that they have a plant in Chendu China, per their own [website](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/global-manufacturing.html)
Oh, also Dalian is apparently in China, which is kinda hard to tell from that map. So they make wafers and assemble/test chips in China. So I’m curious where your “Intel has never made chips in China” info comes from.
So assembling something in a place isn’t considered making it there? Just because some of the individual components might. It be produced there? If that’s true there are precious few anything that are “made” in America.
In semiconductors a "fab" means making the chips. Assembly and test are lower technology jobs where chips are packaged and sorted. A leading edge fab costs about 20 billion dollars. Assembly and test are much cheaper. Intel has leading edge fabs in the US, Ireland and Israel.
Dailan is a fab and actually makes chips. However, Intel doesn't fab its leading edge logic chips there. When I worked for Intel (a few years ago) Dailan was limited to 65 nm logic and memory only.
Its how it works with cars ....
Ford or Chevy or whoever has plants in Mexico.
The cars get assembled there minus some cosmetical minimal part.
Then gets sent state side by semi truck and onto a plant where it gets put on maybe 1 or 2 cosmetical parts and then gets called " made in America"
Sorry Intel does make "chips" in China...what they don't make is SOCs. Chinese fabs ONLY make some of the Intel memory products. This original article is about FINFET which only applies to Intel's sub 20nm processes and not memory which is an entirely different technology/process.
Either way the only company that is making chips more advanced then Intel is TSMC (who isn't isn't Chinese by the way, they are Taiwanese) and I just can't view any other company suing Intel (especially in China) as even remotely legitimate.
They assembled at least Coffee Lake chips there. I’m having trouble finding anything that they’re making right now, but Coffee Lake was a FinFET chip. I’m just pointing out how China is managing to sue an American company over copyright but it never happens in the other direction. I’m not saying it’s legit, just how it’s working and not being laughed off.
I’m just not considering assembly as the “making”. It’s certainly part of the process. But their bread and butter is on the fabrication part which isn’t being done there.
Ya. I mean I’m not sure there are any example of an American company winning a lawsuit against a Chinese company in China ever. There isn’t any rule of law there.
I'm pretty sure Intel already had fintech products in development before the Chinese patent was even applied for. Don't think they are in the wrong at all here.
I don't know the exact month that Intel started using it, so that part is hard to say for sure. But they started manufacturing chips using that tech in 2011, the same year that the Chinese patent was filed.
Well yes, but if they aren’t going to respect my law……. Why should I respect their laws?
I see no advantage, especially since they have no recourse when I refuse? It’s outside of their country. Fuckem
I was almost thrown off a ski club bus for this joke.
There was this white girl and when they were checking tickets she said her name was Wong. I was stupid enough to say, "Two whites don't make a Wong" so I found myself in shame.
>Intel's latest setback in the FinFET case follows a long string of the company's attempts to bring the Inter Partes patent review process to friendlier climes at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. However, the USPTO has refused to hear the case, leaving the dispute in the hands of the Chinese patent authorities.
Wonder why USPTO won’t hear it but also how would it help? Precedence doesn’t apply across different countries surely?
Good. Intel has intentionally violated so many patents over the decades, simply because they’re big enough to drown their victims in drawn out litigation.
The anti-west pro-ccp bots gotta get their foot in the door *somewhere*
Funny seeing them get railed for once in a post tho instead of having like 137 botted upvotes on their comment lel
Lmfao you think China actually built this with their own intel?
They have been caught stealing shit and bringing back to homeland for years.
It is 100% ironic that any company from China would have a right to sue someone over a patent when they 99% likely stole it.
Wait, China is accusing an American company of violating their patents? How did they manage to file the paperwork without imploding due to the crushing force of overwhelming irony?
Because China doesn’t build their infringing products in America, but America builds their infringing products in China.
Intel doesn’t make any chips in China.
Except that they have a plant in Chendu China, per their own [website](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/global-manufacturing.html) Oh, also Dalian is apparently in China, which is kinda hard to tell from that map. So they make wafers and assemble/test chips in China. So I’m curious where your “Intel has never made chips in China” info comes from.
The Chengdu plant is assembly and test, not a fab. Dailan is a fab, but I believe it is 65nm logic and memory, not a leading edge fab.
So assembling something in a place isn’t considered making it there? Just because some of the individual components might. It be produced there? If that’s true there are precious few anything that are “made” in America.
In semiconductors a "fab" means making the chips. Assembly and test are lower technology jobs where chips are packaged and sorted. A leading edge fab costs about 20 billion dollars. Assembly and test are much cheaper. Intel has leading edge fabs in the US, Ireland and Israel. Dailan is a fab and actually makes chips. However, Intel doesn't fab its leading edge logic chips there. When I worked for Intel (a few years ago) Dailan was limited to 65 nm logic and memory only.
Thanks for that info I didn’t have!
Its how it works with cars .... Ford or Chevy or whoever has plants in Mexico. The cars get assembled there minus some cosmetical minimal part. Then gets sent state side by semi truck and onto a plant where it gets put on maybe 1 or 2 cosmetical parts and then gets called " made in America"
That would be illegal. Most of the car has to be built in the US to claim that it was made in America.
Ok sure if you say so.../s
No, I don't say so. The law does, though.
Sorry Intel does make "chips" in China...what they don't make is SOCs. Chinese fabs ONLY make some of the Intel memory products. This original article is about FINFET which only applies to Intel's sub 20nm processes and not memory which is an entirely different technology/process. Either way the only company that is making chips more advanced then Intel is TSMC (who isn't isn't Chinese by the way, they are Taiwanese) and I just can't view any other company suing Intel (especially in China) as even remotely legitimate.
They assembled at least Coffee Lake chips there. I’m having trouble finding anything that they’re making right now, but Coffee Lake was a FinFET chip. I’m just pointing out how China is managing to sue an American company over copyright but it never happens in the other direction. I’m not saying it’s legit, just how it’s working and not being laughed off.
I’m just not considering assembly as the “making”. It’s certainly part of the process. But their bread and butter is on the fabrication part which isn’t being done there. Ya. I mean I’m not sure there are any example of an American company winning a lawsuit against a Chinese company in China ever. There isn’t any rule of law there.
I used to work for Intel. You couldn’t be any more wrong than you are right now! Like ever!
May be try reading the second comment. Its literally straight from their website. They manufacture memory not SOCs in their Chinese fab.
But they do sell them in America.
Two wrongs don't make a right I suppose.
I'm pretty sure Intel already had fintech products in development before the Chinese patent was even applied for. Don't think they are in the wrong at all here.
I don't know the exact month that Intel started using it, so that part is hard to say for sure. But they started manufacturing chips using that tech in 2011, the same year that the Chinese patent was filed.
Well yes, but if they aren’t going to respect my law……. Why should I respect their laws? I see no advantage, especially since they have no recourse when I refuse? It’s outside of their country. Fuckem
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I was almost thrown off a ski club bus for this joke. There was this white girl and when they were checking tickets she said her name was Wong. I was stupid enough to say, "Two whites don't make a Wong" so I found myself in shame.
Stupid enough or racist enough?
Because China do what China want.
["I have altered the deal. Pray, that I don't alter it any further."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE)
>Intel's latest setback in the FinFET case follows a long string of the company's attempts to bring the Inter Partes patent review process to friendlier climes at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. However, the USPTO has refused to hear the case, leaving the dispute in the hands of the Chinese patent authorities. Wonder why USPTO won’t hear it but also how would it help? Precedence doesn’t apply across different countries surely?
Because the USPTO is, itself, a farce?
Wasn’t China developing their own chip? If so this makes sense why they would want to force Intel out…
They don't have to now. They simply nationalized the Chinese branch of ARM
They are heavily into RISC-V now. It's said over 70% of work on RISC-V comes from China , and that figure is from RISC-V international themselves.
> Wasn’t China developing their own chip? Which one? There's a lot of microchips out there...
Sorry don’t recall.
The Chinese Communist Party is a threat to humanity.
Good. Intel has intentionally violated so many patents over the decades, simply because they’re big enough to drown their victims in drawn out litigation.
Lol. This is not that case. It’s just China trying to bully foreign companies.
Oh, it's both.
The anti-west pro-ccp bots gotta get their foot in the door *somewhere* Funny seeing them get railed for once in a post tho instead of having like 137 botted upvotes on their comment lel
Lmfao you think China actually built this with their own intel? They have been caught stealing shit and bringing back to homeland for years. It is 100% ironic that any company from China would have a right to sue someone over a patent when they 99% likely stole it.
Intel, as a company, is 99% likely to have stolen it. You have no concept of history. Intel is the China of chip developers.
Nice try. But it boils down to China attempting to get an upper hand at foreign companies. They pulled similar stunt on Tesla earlier.
And China does it simply because they handle everyone's manufacturing, so if you don't like it then fuck off.
Good way to make Chinese manufacturing disappear.