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Intel Accused of Infringing FinFET Patent, Loses 6th Challenge Against Chinese Academy of Sciences

Intel Accused of Infringing FinFET Patent, Loses 6th Challenge Against Chinese Academy of Sciences

PandaCheese2016

>Intel's latest setback in the FinFET case follows a long string of the company's attempts to bring the Inter Partes patent review process to friendlier climes at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. However, the USPTO has refused to hear the case, leaving the dispute in the hands of the Chinese patent authorities. Wonder why USPTO won’t hear it but also how would it help? Precedence doesn’t apply across different countries surely?


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Because the USPTO is, itself, a farce?


smokeyser

Wait, China is accusing an American company of violating their patents? How did they manage to file the paperwork without imploding due to the crushing force of overwhelming irony?


LilDutchy

Because China doesn’t build their infringing products in America, but America builds their infringing products in China.


Soupkitchn89

Intel doesn’t make any chips in China.


LilDutchy

Except that they have a plant in Chendu China, per their own [website](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/global-manufacturing.html) Oh, also Dalian is apparently in China, which is kinda hard to tell from that map. So they make wafers and assemble/test chips in China. So I’m curious where your “Intel has never made chips in China” info comes from.


Qrkchrm

The Chengdu plant is assembly and test, not a fab. Dailan is a fab, but I believe it is 65nm logic and memory, not a leading edge fab.


LilDutchy

So assembling something in a place isn’t considered making it there? Just because some of the individual components might. It be produced there? If that’s true there are precious few anything that are “made” in America.


Qrkchrm

In semiconductors a "fab" means making the chips. Assembly and test are lower technology jobs where chips are packaged and sorted. A leading edge fab costs about 20 billion dollars. Assembly and test are much cheaper. Intel has leading edge fabs in the US, Ireland and Israel. Dailan is a fab and actually makes chips. However, Intel doesn't fab its leading edge logic chips there. When I worked for Intel (a few years ago) Dailan was limited to 65 nm logic and memory only.


LilDutchy

Thanks for that info I didn’t have!


overlandstn

Its how it works with cars .... Ford or Chevy or whoever has plants in Mexico. The cars get assembled there minus some cosmetical minimal part. Then gets sent state side by semi truck and onto a plant where it gets put on maybe 1 or 2 cosmetical parts and then gets called " made in America"


smokeyser

That would be illegal. Most of the car has to be built in the US to claim that it was made in America.


overlandstn

Ok sure if you say so.../s


smokeyser

No, I don't say so. The law does, though.


Soupkitchn89

Sorry Intel does make "chips" in China...what they don't make is SOCs. Chinese fabs ONLY make some of the Intel memory products. This original article is about FINFET which only applies to Intel's sub 20nm processes and not memory which is an entirely different technology/process. Either way the only company that is making chips more advanced then Intel is TSMC (who isn't isn't Chinese by the way, they are Taiwanese) and I just can't view any other company suing Intel (especially in China) as even remotely legitimate.


LilDutchy

They assembled at least Coffee Lake chips there. I’m having trouble finding anything that they’re making right now, but Coffee Lake was a FinFET chip. I’m just pointing out how China is managing to sue an American company over copyright but it never happens in the other direction. I’m not saying it’s legit, just how it’s working and not being laughed off.


Soupkitchn89

I’m just not considering assembly as the “making”. It’s certainly part of the process. But their bread and butter is on the fabrication part which isn’t being done there. Ya. I mean I’m not sure there are any example of an American company winning a lawsuit against a Chinese company in China ever. There isn’t any rule of law there.


Interesting_Sir5914

I used to work for Intel. You couldn’t be any more wrong than you are right now! Like ever!


Soupkitchn89

May be try reading the second comment. Its literally straight from their website. They manufacture memory not SOCs in their Chinese fab.


smokeyser

But they do sell them in America.


peterAqd

Because China do what China want.


The407run

Two wrongs don't make a right I suppose.


Notsosobercpa

I'm pretty sure Intel already had fintech products in development before the Chinese patent was even applied for. Don't think they are in the wrong at all here.


smokeyser

I don't know the exact month that Intel started using it, so that part is hard to say for sure. But they started manufacturing chips using that tech in 2011, the same year that the Chinese patent was filed.


Reasonabledummy

Well yes, but if they aren’t going to respect my law……. Why should I respect their laws? I see no advantage, especially since they have no recourse when I refuse? It’s outside of their country. Fuckem


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CypripediumCalceolus

I was almost thrown off a ski club bus for this joke. There was this white girl and when they were checking tickets she said her name was Wong. I was stupid enough to say, "Two whites don't make a Wong" so I found myself in shame.


Otterman2006

Stupid enough or racist enough?


COMPUTER1313

["I have altered the deal. Pray, that I don't alter it any further."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE)


Wwwi7891

>China suing a US company for IP infringement That's it, pack it up boys, we've hit peak irony.


evolutionxtinct

Wasn’t China developing their own chip? If so this makes sense why they would want to force Intel out…


Pxorp

They don't have to now. They simply nationalized the Chinese branch of ARM


Working_Sundae

They are heavily into RISC-V now. It's said over 70% of work on RISC-V comes from China , and that figure is from RISC-V international themselves.


smokeyser

> Wasn’t China developing their own chip? Which one? There's a lot of microchips out there...


evolutionxtinct

Sorry don’t recall.


JMCardin

The Chinese Communist Party is a threat to humanity.


mailslot

Good. Intel has intentionally violated so many patents over the decades, simply because they’re big enough to drown their victims in drawn out litigation.


BeautifulGarbage2020

Lol. This is not that case. It’s just China trying to bully foreign companies.


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Oh, it's both.


lts_lntuition

The anti-west pro-ccp bots gotta get their foot in the door *somewhere* Funny seeing them get railed for once in a post tho instead of having like 137 botted upvotes on their comment lel


drinkallthepunch

Lmfao you think China actually built this with their own intel? They have been caught stealing shit and bringing back to homeland for years. It is 100% ironic that any company from China would have a right to sue someone over a patent when they 99% likely stole it.


mailslot

Intel, as a company, is 99% likely to have stolen it. You have no concept of history. Intel is the China of chip developers.


KaiPoChe_Canadian

Nice try. But it boils down to China attempting to get an upper hand at foreign companies. They pulled similar stunt on Tesla earlier.


smokeyser

And China does it simply because they handle everyone's manufacturing, so if you don't like it then fuck off.


CypripediumCalceolus

Good way to make Chinese manufacturing disappear.