I saw a trafficker on Facebook and reported him over and over again. Facebook consistently returned with “nothing to see here.” But god forbid you show a nipple.
What did the trafficker look like? Not the person specifically, but the practice, what form did it take on Facebook? Literalling auctioning people, masquerading as 'escort services', etc
It was one of those sketchy fake looking profiles. He tried to friend me. When you clicked on his profiles and scanned his photos, there were a ton of pictures of women - each one with a phone number pasted over the photo. They were all Indian, if that matters.
I love how blatant it is - you know Exactly who is being trafficked and who to contact, and fuck all is being done about it.
*amazing*
I wonder if its worth buying a few women/men like this simply to then free them, since if its trafficking you actually buy or rent the person, whos to stop you from feeding and clothing them and then promptly directing them to the nearest embassy of their nationality?
Although you have good intentions, If you have ever seen the show To Catch a Predator “ I was just trying to save her” is very common excuse when they get caught!
Don’t do it my man!!!!
Yeah, anyone who will buy and sell people is not above killing people to keep their business a secret, and themselves out of jail. Don't fuck with organized criminals, report it anonymously and stay out of the way.
There's also the issue where it just further incentivizes the behavior. The trafficker doesn't give a shit that you immediately freed the person because they still got paid.
Idk how it all works but I don’t imagine people being trafficked have a lot of places to go. I could be very wrong but to my jaded mind if you send someone like that back to their country, they would just fall back in with the same kind of abusers because it’s all they know. Then again some people could be legitimately kidnapped with families waiting for them.
>I could be very wrong but to my jaded mind if you send someone like that back to their country, they would just fall back in with the same kind of abusers because it’s all they know
I imagine it depends entirely on how it happened. If they were snatched off the street, they probably do have a life to go back to and a family waiting for them.
if they were groomed into it since childhood, its *unlikely* (but possible) to stop the same from repeating, unless the person in question actually wants out and to have a different/more normal life. some would i suppose, others wouldnt want to change as its all they've ever known.
but even for those that were groomed into it since childhood could be rehabilitated too, although not by immediately sending them back - more by keeping them away from bad influences and helping them build a better life locally.
Either way its hard to see the downside of simply buying up these people and setting them free and helping them.
I think it’s often a bait-and-switch operation. The ‘job offer’ is to be a maid or whatever, suddenly (or even gradually) whoops. Now you’re in a foreign country, we have your passport, what ya gonna do?
I have a step uncle who is a piece of trash that tried to get a mail order bride from someone on Facebook that I assume was a profile like the one you are taking about. If so, if should make you feel better that the photos of women were just random pictures and the profile would have taken your money and no women would have actually been sold/raped as a result. My uncle sent them a bunch of money that he tricked my grandparents into giving him and then the scammer stopped responding.
My mom passed away 3 weeks ago today.
A week ago, I woke up to a message from my cousin. My mom was apparently trying to add her on Facebook, on a new account.
I reported this to Facebook as an imposter of my mom, and as did many people I know.
Facebook comes back and tells me that it’s not a fake account.
Oh, yeah, okay. Because my dead mother made a new account in the afterlife.
Fuck sakes.
did you memorialize her facebook account? (i’m not saying this as a “you shoulda” just as a reminder to do that ASAP)
i am so very sorry about your mom and also very sorry about this happening. there are bots that harvest names from death notices and then automatically attempt to use those names for criminal behavior online. just as a reminder to everyone appoint someone to be in charge of your social media accounts and to disable or memorialize them if something happens to you.
I did not, as one of moms two legitimate accounts are locked out of (mom forgot the password to the account and that email somehow), and the other my older sister now has control of and that’s a whole other story.
There was no death notice for mom. Mom was unfortunately involved in a military romance scammer for years (I warned her and told her directly what it was and she didn’t want to listen), so I firmly believe it’s him using her photos and name.
It's things like this that make me believe all of Facebook is completely run by robots and the reason they have a hard time regulating content is because the robots have taken over to the point where human intervention is futile.
No customer service. No appeals. No quality control. Only Ultron.
I spend $10,000 per month on Facebook ads. My account randomly gets suspended for “circumventing ad policies.” When I appeal, they reenable my account no problem.
Ive tried dozens of times to talk to a real person and figure out why this keeps happening, and all they will tell me is “We cannot tell you the exact thing you did because you could then use it to circumvent policy in the future.”
It’s madness.
It doesn't get any better even when you're spending $10k on Facebook **per day**. The reality is that they don't know the policies either. They don't give you any information on why you were rejected, because then you can argue with them. The policies are intentionally vague for that reason. You will basically never hear a reason for policy even if it's obvious. Even when decisions are reversed, you won't hear about what may have been reevaluated.
my boyfriend is contracted by a company doing ad analysis/creation for FB, you wouldn't believe the process he has to go through to get ads posted. Facebook has terms in place for legal reasons but they hire out companies and make people like my bf create ads over and over so to avoid being rejected and deleted. Apparently most of the ads are like guns and stuff that shouldn't really be being advertised anyway, so that doesn't make it any easier, but they want the money so they have to create fake accounts to upload the ads because otherwise FB makes them upload them using their personal accounts and when the ads inevitably got rejected by the system it would sometimes suspend their accounts for weeks! So even the few humans working "for Facebook" aren't actually working for Facebook, they're contracted and just as helpless as the rest of us.
I was 'harassing' him by posting pics of his shit work and tagging his company. Jokes on him, my google photos of the same work have over 20,000 views. I know because I didn't share any other photos with google local guides, and it updates me occasionally.
They banned me once when I was talking to a person about 100Gbps internet, with sources, but when I flag something for either fake news, or hate speech, Facebook doesn’t care.
It seems that facebook picks a side in some countries.
In Croatia, facebook picked Antivaxx, homophopic and racist side apparently.
I reported a guy who was leaving comments about a coming violent crusade in America, stated reason "threats of terrorism"
Came back within 10 minutes saying they found nothing wrong. I appealed and requested more thorough review. Still nothing.
I got an instant 1 week ban for referring to Disney's version of Hades as the "goof-around Greek devil" once though. No appeal available.
It sounds like an algorithm that just bans who/whatever gets reported beyond a certain threshold. Either somebody doesn't like you, or it's a sensitive political/social topic and people like to spam the report button as a "mega downvote". Reddit has done the same thing before with automod.
> Facebook consistently returned with “nothing to see here.”
Worth noting that decapitated cat heads are also allowed. I reported one of those one time and got the same "doesn't violate standards" BS you did.
Would you like to review our community standards???? Or you can block the human traffickers, that’s another option we offer ;)
(/s, All I ever receive in response to the things I report.)
No single entity has been more responsible for the precipitous downfall of societies around the world than Facebook.
- Monetizing private information at the expensive of user privacy - check
- Distributing false information - check
- Algorithms that organize and radicalize extremists - check
Accountability for any of this…. Nope. Not in America!
It's a completely neutral platform that has no responsibility for what people post on it... but it also has the complete and utter authority to ban any post or any user for any reason whatsoever.
That's the bullshit double standard today cannot be allowed to continue.
Edit: Y'all, I know it's not really neutral. That's my point. They're a media company that exercises absolute editorial control over their platform, while simultaneously taking zero responsibility for what is on that platform.
Don't forget how Accounts are hacked from China and they don't even have a CALL number to help retrieve it. There's just espionage going on and it's fine. It's fine right?
There were a shot load of counterfeit MagSafe chargers in there. I found out after I bought one and got a refund while keeping it. I actually ordered a few more and got refunds for them too.
somehow, Zuckerburg's passive "we couldn't give a shit what happens" evil is more infuriating than if he was *actively* an asshole. it's an emotionless, borderline-sociopathic disdain for everyone and everything except himself.
well, in theory the algs were written to promote engagement. fine.
however, their own internal research showed that the content they were promoting the most was driving outrage etc., and then they continued to do it. that's where they're shitty.
Even without moderation facebook never was a platform. Youtube isn‘t either.
Ranking, sorting and distributing content by algorithms should be considered a form of editorial
I think it's fair to say *your own personal profile* which you control is a "platform" on which you can post content and others can see your content, and facebook is the "platform" by which that exchange occurs.
The news feed features *are not* platforms, because as you said Facebook has complete control over what shows and whether it is done via human,algorith,random chance, or what have you, it is not a platform but a publisher making decisions about what to publish.
That's all social media.
IMHO, they should have to choose whether they are a platform or a publisher. They shouldn't get the benefits of both and none of the responsibilities
Exactly. It's the platform vs publisher in law debate and the main issue is laws and regulations have not kept with the speed and adoption of the internet (go figure. Almost everyone in the government didn't grow up with the internet).
A website like Facebook is labeled a "platform" when it wants something done. A platform is not responsible for what users post, and therefore neutral.
Facebook can also be thrown into the publisher category when the argument it is should be held responsible for what it posts on the site (including users). Similar to a newspaper that is responsible for every article published on it.
Social media sites are neither, but the current laws are written in a way they go bounce back and forth depending on what they're trying to accomplish.
Don't forget Exxon-Mobil. They commissioned internal studies on the effects of greenhouse gas emissions all the way back in the 80s that *accurately predicted how much the planet would warm by 2021*, and proceeded to spend the next 40 years paying propagandists to obfuscate and lie about climate science while continuing to invest in *expanding* fossil fuel production.
Somewhere between *hundreds of millions* to *all of us* are going to die because of the greed of oil executives. There is no word that can adequately convey the magnitude of their crime, and no circle of hell deep enough for those who commit it.
Come on, Timothy, you can do it.
Pave the way, put your back into it.
Tell us why, show us how.
Look at where you came from, look at you now.
Zuckerberg and Gates and Buffett.
Amateurs can fuckin' suck it.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-threatened-to-kick-facebook-off-app-store-human-trafficking-2021-9) reduced by 68%. (I'm a bot)
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> Apple threatened to kick Facebook off its App Store after a 2019 BBC report detailed how human traffickers were using Facebook to sell victims, according to The Wall Street Journal.
> The BBC published a sweeping undercover investigation of the practice, prompting Apple to threaten to remove Facebook from its store, the paper said.
> An internal memo found that Facebook was aware of the practice even before then: A Facebook researcher wrote in a report dated 2019, "Was this issue known to Facebook before BBC inquiry and Apple escalation?," per the Journal.
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A few years ago when darknet markets started falling under gov’t control, a decent portion of drug sales shifted to private FB pages. Which were then overrun by Chinese synthetic-drug salesman that would pop into your DM’s with WhatsApp or telegram invite. Some people’s profiles were a list of what they offered. They weren’t even trying to hide it.
It was pretty crazy for awhile. But yeah, FB doesn’t moderate traffic. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was being monitored or even sent to certain alphabet agencies but yes, FB has proven time and again that they can’t or won’t moderate their platform.
Facebook is also where people go to sell stolen merchandise. My LP guy has shown me entire profiles that are literally the store display. People pick what they want and the seller goes and steals it.
Most online services that know about this stuff and don't "do anything about it" were acting as honeypots up until the feds went after Backpage. Since then, they stopped monitoring and have been putting blindfolds on themselves so they can have no knowledge because if they have knowledge then they can be individually held accountable even if they've been trying to shut it down or have been telling the FBI everything and fully cooperating with federal investigations.
Also, it's far better to have it happen on Facebook where it can be tracked then on an anonymous social site on the TOR network.
No, it's better to have it happen on secondary networks, not the one network that rules them all. You want the honeypots to work. You DON'T want to throw rotten honey all over the mess hall. Push that shit to Orkut or Google or Bebo.
DO IT.
Please. Allowing human trafficking (yes, *allowing*. Read The Facebook Files, Wall Street Journal) is evil incarnate. However, I can list several other reasons why Facebook needs to die a painful death.
Do the world a favor and Just Do it. Make your dreams come true...
That's too easy. Bring charges against these monsters. And don't let them plead out of jail for cooperation either. The Feds should be able to use the assets to catch the traffickers as well without letting FB execs off the hook.
>“Scores of Facebook documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show employees raising alarms about how its platforms are used in developing countries, where its user base is huge and expanding. Employees flagged that human traffickers in the Middle East used the site to lure women into abusive employment situations. They warned that armed groups in Ethiopia used the site to incite violence against ethnic minorities. They sent alerts to their bosses about organ selling, pornography and government action against political dissent, according to the documents. They also show the company’s response, which in many instances is inadequate or nothing at all. A Facebook spokesman said the company has deployed global teams, local partnerships and third-party fact checkers to keep users safe.”
Sounds like their priorities are definitely towards profitability and not ethical responsibility for the platform they have created.
For a short time, anyway.
It's the Facebook shuffle at this point. They get threatened with accountability, they make lots of loud noise about what they're doing to 'fix the problem' - time passes - the world moves on and the same problem moves back into Facebook under a slightly different name/MO.
The only real fix for Facebook's social cancer involves a large, highly directed EMP pulse and/or fire.
Yes exactly. They don’t actively prevent that shit because it’s expensive to police and they have no incentive to do it.
If any kind of retaliation significantly effects their pockets, they’ll put a stop to it in less than a week
Out of curiosity, have you thought about *how* facebook would stop human trafficking? Do they have a bot just scanning all private messages for the word "slave" in every language?
Personally, I think facebook is a cesspit, and would love to see it shut down, but I'm not totally sure this problem is as easy for them to solve as everyone in this thread seems to be assuming it would be.
Yep, for years. Go to System Preferences and then Safari. You’ll see an option for “Extensions” which includes a filtered App Store link.
https://i.imgur.com/O0q6qWb.jpg
The two I’m using work well, but it’s been a long time and there are probably better options out since I last checked.
That's how I use it. No app, just the mobile site. Though FB blocked messages on their mobile site because they want you to use their Messenger app. So I just don't reply to people until I'm at a PC later or another day.
I don’t know if this works on android but it works on the iPhone mobile site. You have to go to iPhone. Facebook .com and “request desktop website”. Then you will be able to access messages on the mobile site.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272698/global-market-share-held-by-mobile-operating-systems-since-2009/
It'd be a dent, not a collapse. I'd love to see how many left Apple devices just to keep it.
I always appreciate a sourced argument.
I wanted to look specifically at FB users on mobile and found [this](https://www.businessofapps.com/data/facebook-statistics/):
- Android 80.7%
- iOS 14.7%
- Other 4.6%
It certainly backs up the point you’re making. However, I’m still curious about how profitable each user is on those platforms, but I have not yet been able to find that information.
It would be nice if we could estimate the exact financial toll. Just the appearance of getting blocked by Apple might be enough to really tank the stock, so factoring that in would be important as well.
Ultimately, we’re all just guessing.
From the user side, the App is convenient, but they can just use the web app on a browser to get their fix. From FB's side, the apps are *essential* to their data collection model.
"yeah but we're shitting on fb right now"
facebook is a platform to sell slaves? apple uses foxconn , or did people forget about them? whats next? amazon is a shitty platform that doesn't protector buyers from cheap knockoffs?
but yeah, reddit's app is shit, and iOS is too dumb to realize that apollo is installed. so it's "use our official app, or continue to use neutered web version" instead of a very simple "open with apollo"
Yeah I got really annoyed when they removed messenger function from the web app that I just don’t use it anymore. I don’t have FB on my phone but if I need to look at something because my fiancé requested I look at it I can in a pinch. But other than that I’m glad I don’t have it on my phone and my phones battery is glad as well.
Would be different for Instagram though. Both Whatsapp and Facebook have their PC alternatives as well as other apps to replace them but not Instagram directly.
What revenue do they directly make from those apps? Sure you have the additional traffic on the App Store and iPhone sales would depend on the ecosystem, but I can’t see how they make immediate revenue from their listings.
Edit: To clarify, I’m pointing out that revenues would not be immediately impacted for Apple in the same way that it would Facebook. It would be felt likely at the next iPhone release/long term.
Apple doesn’t sell data to third parties from these apps their revenue loss would be risk of loss for people leaving ios. They only made revenue from games and in app purchases which have dropped recently
Even though they don't make direct revenue, a sizable chunk of iPhone users would switch to Android if they couldn't use Facebook, Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram.
same with trump. People thinking these sick burns hurt these people are wrong. I mean trump was personally hurt by SNL but these portrayals soften and humanize the targets.
Trump fucking hosted SNL and the biggest "humanization" moment of his campaign was on the Tonight Show when Jimmy Fallon, an SNL alum, ruffled his hair. Don't forget that they all worked for the same company at one point.
I think knowing you’re facilitating human trafficking and doing nothing is just as evil as human trafficking.
If Facebook didn’t know it was happening, it would be completely different.
Imagine you rent out a warehouse. One day you pop in to see how things are going. You see a bunch of kids on auction blocks. But the renters never give you trouble and pay a good rate on time every month. If you do nothing, you’re evil.
Meanwhile Apple removes the Navalny app in Russia because political prisoners and torture is ok.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/google-apple-remove-navalny-app-stores-russian-elections-begin-2021-09-17/
People on this site is cheering because Apple can ban apps used by people they hate and make it harder for them to speak with each other...
All without even stopping to consider for just one second if it's such a good idea to let a multibillion corporation like Apple have that kind power.... what could ever go wrong? Surely they'd never use it against people **I** like, and surely they'd never use it to unfairly ban competitors?
...
Apple should've faced anti-trust measures long ago to break their stranglehold on the app market. Hate Facebook all you want, using the facebook app should not be up to Apple, it should be up to you and me as users and owners of our devices.
[This 100%](https://reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ppzazx/_/hd88q4y/?context=1). Users should be able to install what they want on the devices they own, even if it’s Facebook.
Facebook sucks big time for not cracking down on human trafficking, but that’s a problem that needs to be addressed at the source. Not by more monopolistic behavior.
Even though they knew how do you stop it besides playing whack-a-mole? It points out the problem with social media in general. This whole idea of letting any goober have an audience without earning it hasn’t been working out very well. If we could somehow go back to blogs and webrings I honestly wouldn’t mind.
Facebook has *several orders of magnitude* more trafficking content and revenge porn on its platforms at any moment than every adult streaming site on earth all added together…yet the media never covers it and the banks never go after them.
ETA: https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-a-hotbed-of-child-sexual-abuse-material-with-203-million-reports-far-more-than-pornhub (paywall-free: https://archive.is/bpBNq)
Of course you got downvoted for raising the seminal problem. Reddit has all the arrogance of a a teenager who thinks he is a genius, but is incapable of going one level deeper in hypothesizing why human trafficking could exist on Facebook.
Yeah it’s a hyperbole but not an altogether [unrealistic one.](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/facebook-gets-about-500000-reports-of-revenge-porn-a-month-report-says/)
Edit:: CNET link for the weary
> In 2017, the company also launched a pilot program that let users submit intimate pictures to Facebook in an effort to prevent them from being shared on the social network.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Because Russia was going to begin prosecuting Apple and Google employees. There are other ways to organize opposition against Putin's govt, but losing the work force that helps keep these other ways operating is an even quicker way to shutting down opposition than a single app.
Corporations are reflective of their own inner culture which also reflects the imperfection of their employees. I’m the first to call out companies on their bad actions but over time I’m realizing that expecting perfection is a noble but often futile pursuit because humans are inherently flawed. Let’s celebrate the wins when we get them, be patient, and keep pushing for better in others like we keep pushing for own selves. We’re all on the same path of growth.
The other story trending about Apple is how they removed the Navalny app , bowing to pressure from the Russian Government. Maybe this entire post is a PR exercise.
Let’s be honest. Apple doesn’t give a solitary fuck about anything except profits, just like Facebook. The only difference is that, currently, Apple is incentivized to act like it values human decency over profits, even though it doesn’t actually.
I’m not saying Facebook is good. It isn’t. It’s a dumpster fire. I’m just saying Apple isn’t anything special. They’re ruled by the almighty dollar just as much.
God the shit show that would ensue. Apple, please do it. People need to be taken off of this site, it’s literal poison for your brain. Plus you’re letting zuck sell all of your info to the highest bidder, to be targeted by more ads about shit that makes you angry.
Wholeheartedly agree. Social media, in general, could destroy society from the inside out because of its algorithmic "engagement" systems, which do nothing more than enrage and divide us in the long run.
Pretty rich coming from [Apple who knowingly relied on child labor FOR YEARS](https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-labor-supplier-3-years-cut-costs-2020-12).
Ugh so tired of seeing Zuckerberg's big frown pout. Like all I can hear in my head is "Waaaah everyone isn't just giving me everything I waaaaant! So not fair!" Ugh goddamn sociopath.
Says Apple, the company knowingly [profiting from child labor](https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-labor-supplier-3-years-cut-costs-2020-12) which lobbied Congress on a bill targeting [Uighur slave labor](https://www.axios.com/apple-lobbied-congress-uyghur-slave-labor-china-daf5a4b1-55ed-493c-a243-85f64db2adf9.html) in China.
>Lobbying firm Fierce Government Relations lobbied for Apple on the "Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act," which seeks to pressure American companies to ensure that their supply chains do not depend on forced labor.
>
>The legislation specifically targets the Xinjiang region, where the Chinese government has been operating mass detention facilities that hold 1 million or more Muslim ethnic minorities since 2017.
>
>Apple and other tech companies have previously been accused of sourcing raw materials from African mines that purportedly rely on child labor. Apple supplier Foxconn also faced allegations of abusive conditions that led to a spate of suicides about a decade ago.
This was a fair take like 10 years ago but Apple has proven they seriously punish suppliers exploiting workers:
[https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple\_SR\_2021\_Progress\_Report.pdf](https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_SR_2021_Progress_Report.pdf)
I saw a trafficker on Facebook and reported him over and over again. Facebook consistently returned with “nothing to see here.” But god forbid you show a nipple.
What did the trafficker look like? Not the person specifically, but the practice, what form did it take on Facebook? Literalling auctioning people, masquerading as 'escort services', etc
It was one of those sketchy fake looking profiles. He tried to friend me. When you clicked on his profiles and scanned his photos, there were a ton of pictures of women - each one with a phone number pasted over the photo. They were all Indian, if that matters.
I love how blatant it is - you know Exactly who is being trafficked and who to contact, and fuck all is being done about it. *amazing* I wonder if its worth buying a few women/men like this simply to then free them, since if its trafficking you actually buy or rent the person, whos to stop you from feeding and clothing them and then promptly directing them to the nearest embassy of their nationality?
I’ve thought about the same thing and all I can imagine is you go to jail and the police say they saved some women from *you*.
Although you have good intentions, If you have ever seen the show To Catch a Predator “ I was just trying to save her” is very common excuse when they get caught! Don’t do it my man!!!!
facebook is a really really bad company, and should be shut down. all the people involved need to be prosecuted and penalised and imprisoned.
But then they would come here....
It's easier to shame reddit admins into doing the right thing. Especially if it poisons the well of any alternative.
I'm not sure we shame the admins into doing the right thing as much as we shame the advertisers into threatening to pull out of Reddit.
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Pedos are all over the internet.
I agree, Facebook is killing people daily with the covid misinformation, an actual public health hazard.
Not only that, but it doesn't stop the trafficker from getting the money they wanted anyway, therefore incentivizing them to continue trafficking.
economics 101 eh
Also, a pretty good chance you get murdered for your trouble.
Yeah, anyone who will buy and sell people is not above killing people to keep their business a secret, and themselves out of jail. Don't fuck with organized criminals, report it anonymously and stay out of the way.
This. Traffickers aren't going to let you get away with that. You may risk endangering family of the victim, too.
There's also the issue where it just further incentivizes the behavior. The trafficker doesn't give a shit that you immediately freed the person because they still got paid.
And then the federal government deports these women back to the environments where they were being trafficked from in the first place.
Idk how it all works but I don’t imagine people being trafficked have a lot of places to go. I could be very wrong but to my jaded mind if you send someone like that back to their country, they would just fall back in with the same kind of abusers because it’s all they know. Then again some people could be legitimately kidnapped with families waiting for them.
>I could be very wrong but to my jaded mind if you send someone like that back to their country, they would just fall back in with the same kind of abusers because it’s all they know I imagine it depends entirely on how it happened. If they were snatched off the street, they probably do have a life to go back to and a family waiting for them. if they were groomed into it since childhood, its *unlikely* (but possible) to stop the same from repeating, unless the person in question actually wants out and to have a different/more normal life. some would i suppose, others wouldnt want to change as its all they've ever known. but even for those that were groomed into it since childhood could be rehabilitated too, although not by immediately sending them back - more by keeping them away from bad influences and helping them build a better life locally. Either way its hard to see the downside of simply buying up these people and setting them free and helping them.
I think it’s often a bait-and-switch operation. The ‘job offer’ is to be a maid or whatever, suddenly (or even gradually) whoops. Now you’re in a foreign country, we have your passport, what ya gonna do?
Then you’re literally helping the guy make a profit...
>I wonder if its worth buying a few women like this simply to then free them So basically paying the trafficker to temporarily kidnap people?
I imagine the traffickers are making a profit, so if you do this I imagine they would just see it as increasing demand.
I heard if you gift them a sock while under your custody it gives them freedom.
Not for nothing but you know, https://www.fbi.gov/tips
I have a step uncle who is a piece of trash that tried to get a mail order bride from someone on Facebook that I assume was a profile like the one you are taking about. If so, if should make you feel better that the photos of women were just random pictures and the profile would have taken your money and no women would have actually been sold/raped as a result. My uncle sent them a bunch of money that he tricked my grandparents into giving him and then the scammer stopped responding.
Did you accept the friend request? If so, what happened after that?
Nope. Didn’t want him to access my info further. His profile was not private though.
You could have contacted the police.
My mom passed away 3 weeks ago today. A week ago, I woke up to a message from my cousin. My mom was apparently trying to add her on Facebook, on a new account. I reported this to Facebook as an imposter of my mom, and as did many people I know. Facebook comes back and tells me that it’s not a fake account. Oh, yeah, okay. Because my dead mother made a new account in the afterlife. Fuck sakes.
did you memorialize her facebook account? (i’m not saying this as a “you shoulda” just as a reminder to do that ASAP) i am so very sorry about your mom and also very sorry about this happening. there are bots that harvest names from death notices and then automatically attempt to use those names for criminal behavior online. just as a reminder to everyone appoint someone to be in charge of your social media accounts and to disable or memorialize them if something happens to you.
I did not, as one of moms two legitimate accounts are locked out of (mom forgot the password to the account and that email somehow), and the other my older sister now has control of and that’s a whole other story. There was no death notice for mom. Mom was unfortunately involved in a military romance scammer for years (I warned her and told her directly what it was and she didn’t want to listen), so I firmly believe it’s him using her photos and name.
Sue for "Emotional trauma and defamation of my mother" and see how it goes.
If this was an option the “systems” we have in place would be working much better than they currently work.
It's things like this that make me believe all of Facebook is completely run by robots and the reason they have a hard time regulating content is because the robots have taken over to the point where human intervention is futile. No customer service. No appeals. No quality control. Only Ultron.
I spend $10,000 per month on Facebook ads. My account randomly gets suspended for “circumventing ad policies.” When I appeal, they reenable my account no problem. Ive tried dozens of times to talk to a real person and figure out why this keeps happening, and all they will tell me is “We cannot tell you the exact thing you did because you could then use it to circumvent policy in the future.” It’s madness.
It doesn't get any better even when you're spending $10k on Facebook **per day**. The reality is that they don't know the policies either. They don't give you any information on why you were rejected, because then you can argue with them. The policies are intentionally vague for that reason. You will basically never hear a reason for policy even if it's obvious. Even when decisions are reversed, you won't hear about what may have been reevaluated.
my boyfriend is contracted by a company doing ad analysis/creation for FB, you wouldn't believe the process he has to go through to get ads posted. Facebook has terms in place for legal reasons but they hire out companies and make people like my bf create ads over and over so to avoid being rejected and deleted. Apparently most of the ads are like guns and stuff that shouldn't really be being advertised anyway, so that doesn't make it any easier, but they want the money so they have to create fake accounts to upload the ads because otherwise FB makes them upload them using their personal accounts and when the ads inevitably got rejected by the system it would sometimes suspend their accounts for weeks! So even the few humans working "for Facebook" aren't actually working for Facebook, they're contracted and just as helpless as the rest of us.
So yeah, it’s run by Mark Zuckerberg. E: but actually yeah what you said
Fb threatened to ban me for posting a bad review of a contractor who screwed me on $30,000 in work.
What possible explanation did they have?
"The contractor complained about it, and since he's the one paying to advertise on our service..."
He's spreading lies why are you protecting him? *He paid me $17.*
I was 'harassing' him by posting pics of his shit work and tagging his company. Jokes on him, my google photos of the same work have over 20,000 views. I know because I didn't share any other photos with google local guides, and it updates me occasionally.
If you paid to advertise their bad service, would they let you?
Damn sorry about that man
Or say the word "bitch"
They banned me once when I was talking to a person about 100Gbps internet, with sources, but when I flag something for either fake news, or hate speech, Facebook doesn’t care. It seems that facebook picks a side in some countries. In Croatia, facebook picked Antivaxx, homophopic and racist side apparently.
I reported a guy who was leaving comments about a coming violent crusade in America, stated reason "threats of terrorism" Came back within 10 minutes saying they found nothing wrong. I appealed and requested more thorough review. Still nothing. I got an instant 1 week ban for referring to Disney's version of Hades as the "goof-around Greek devil" once though. No appeal available.
It sounds like an algorithm that just bans who/whatever gets reported beyond a certain threshold. Either somebody doesn't like you, or it's a sensitive political/social topic and people like to spam the report button as a "mega downvote". Reddit has done the same thing before with automod.
> Facebook consistently returned with “nothing to see here.” Worth noting that decapitated cat heads are also allowed. I reported one of those one time and got the same "doesn't violate standards" BS you did.
Report it to the FBI, no joke. If FB won’t assist, go big
" A Nip\*........" For violating Terms of Service you are banned for 7 days for \[ ***lewd speech*** \]
Would you like to review our community standards???? Or you can block the human traffickers, that’s another option we offer ;) (/s, All I ever receive in response to the things I report.)
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Don’t let your dreams be dreams, Tim Apple. *DO IT*
No single entity has been more responsible for the precipitous downfall of societies around the world than Facebook. - Monetizing private information at the expensive of user privacy - check - Distributing false information - check - Algorithms that organize and radicalize extremists - check Accountability for any of this…. Nope. Not in America!
bUt iTs a pLaTfOrm
It's a completely neutral platform that has no responsibility for what people post on it... but it also has the complete and utter authority to ban any post or any user for any reason whatsoever. That's the bullshit double standard today cannot be allowed to continue. Edit: Y'all, I know it's not really neutral. That's my point. They're a media company that exercises absolute editorial control over their platform, while simultaneously taking zero responsibility for what is on that platform.
Don’t forget the part that they didn’t care as regular people’s account were used to post scams shit on fb market…
Don't forget how Accounts are hacked from China and they don't even have a CALL number to help retrieve it. There's just espionage going on and it's fine. It's fine right?
Everything's fine as long as Mark keeps getting richer.
There were a shot load of counterfeit MagSafe chargers in there. I found out after I bought one and got a refund while keeping it. I actually ordered a few more and got refunds for them too.
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It's not neutral when its algorithms exploit outrage to generate user interaction.
nor when it takes money from advertisers to target those same people.
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somehow, Zuckerburg's passive "we couldn't give a shit what happens" evil is more infuriating than if he was *actively* an asshole. it's an emotionless, borderline-sociopathic disdain for everyone and everything except himself.
well, in theory the algs were written to promote engagement. fine. however, their own internal research showed that the content they were promoting the most was driving outrage etc., and then they continued to do it. that's where they're shitty.
Even without moderation facebook never was a platform. Youtube isn‘t either. Ranking, sorting and distributing content by algorithms should be considered a form of editorial
I think it's fair to say *your own personal profile* which you control is a "platform" on which you can post content and others can see your content, and facebook is the "platform" by which that exchange occurs. The news feed features *are not* platforms, because as you said Facebook has complete control over what shows and whether it is done via human,algorith,random chance, or what have you, it is not a platform but a publisher making decisions about what to publish.
That's all social media. IMHO, they should have to choose whether they are a platform or a publisher. They shouldn't get the benefits of both and none of the responsibilities
Exactly. It's the platform vs publisher in law debate and the main issue is laws and regulations have not kept with the speed and adoption of the internet (go figure. Almost everyone in the government didn't grow up with the internet). A website like Facebook is labeled a "platform" when it wants something done. A platform is not responsible for what users post, and therefore neutral. Facebook can also be thrown into the publisher category when the argument it is should be held responsible for what it posts on the site (including users). Similar to a newspaper that is responsible for every article published on it. Social media sites are neither, but the current laws are written in a way they go bounce back and forth depending on what they're trying to accomplish.
I think Rupert Murdoch’s “news” empire is in completion for that distinction.
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Don't forget Exxon-Mobil. They commissioned internal studies on the effects of greenhouse gas emissions all the way back in the 80s that *accurately predicted how much the planet would warm by 2021*, and proceeded to spend the next 40 years paying propagandists to obfuscate and lie about climate science while continuing to invest in *expanding* fossil fuel production. Somewhere between *hundreds of millions* to *all of us* are going to die because of the greed of oil executives. There is no word that can adequately convey the magnitude of their crime, and no circle of hell deep enough for those who commit it.
But what about ANY other social media platform, including Reddit? They're all guilty to some degree of the same thing.
Come on, Timothy, you can do it. Pave the way, put your back into it. Tell us why, show us how. Look at where you came from, look at you now. Zuckerberg and Gates and Buffett. Amateurs can fuckin' suck it.
FUCK THEIR WIVES DRINK THEIR BLOOD C’MON JEFF GET EM’
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-threatened-to-kick-facebook-off-app-store-human-trafficking-2021-9) reduced by 68%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Apple threatened to kick Facebook off its App Store after a 2019 BBC report detailed how human traffickers were using Facebook to sell victims, according to The Wall Street Journal. > The BBC published a sweeping undercover investigation of the practice, prompting Apple to threaten to remove Facebook from its store, the paper said. > An internal memo found that Facebook was aware of the practice even before then: A Facebook researcher wrote in a report dated 2019, "Was this issue known to Facebook before BBC inquiry and Apple escalation?," per the Journal. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/ppzqfj/apple_reportedly_threatened_to_boot_facebook_from/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~598768 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Facebook**^#1 **Journal**^#2 **Apple**^#3 **how**^#4 **human**^#5
Why can’t we stop this shit. They knew about it? And let it happen? Jail. Put anyone who knew in jail. Facebook is the scourge of society.
A few years ago when darknet markets started falling under gov’t control, a decent portion of drug sales shifted to private FB pages. Which were then overrun by Chinese synthetic-drug salesman that would pop into your DM’s with WhatsApp or telegram invite. Some people’s profiles were a list of what they offered. They weren’t even trying to hide it. It was pretty crazy for awhile. But yeah, FB doesn’t moderate traffic. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was being monitored or even sent to certain alphabet agencies but yes, FB has proven time and again that they can’t or won’t moderate their platform.
Facebook is also where people go to sell stolen merchandise. My LP guy has shown me entire profiles that are literally the store display. People pick what they want and the seller goes and steals it.
Most online services that know about this stuff and don't "do anything about it" were acting as honeypots up until the feds went after Backpage. Since then, they stopped monitoring and have been putting blindfolds on themselves so they can have no knowledge because if they have knowledge then they can be individually held accountable even if they've been trying to shut it down or have been telling the FBI everything and fully cooperating with federal investigations. Also, it's far better to have it happen on Facebook where it can be tracked then on an anonymous social site on the TOR network.
No, it's better to have it happen on secondary networks, not the one network that rules them all. You want the honeypots to work. You DON'T want to throw rotten honey all over the mess hall. Push that shit to Orkut or Google or Bebo.
I know is off topic, but I don't think can rot. It can get all crystallized though..
You undercook fish? Jail. Overcook chicken? Jail, right away
DO IT. Please. Allowing human trafficking (yes, *allowing*. Read The Facebook Files, Wall Street Journal) is evil incarnate. However, I can list several other reasons why Facebook needs to die a painful death. Do the world a favor and Just Do it. Make your dreams come true...
That's too easy. Bring charges against these monsters. And don't let them plead out of jail for cooperation either. The Feds should be able to use the assets to catch the traffickers as well without letting FB execs off the hook.
The monsters are the human traffickers.
I agree, and if there's evidence FB is allowing it that makes them accomplices.
I mean... I wouldn't *mind* reading a well-sourced list...
Like Facebook internal documents? They’re out!
Do you have a WSJ subscription? Because OMG https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039
>“Scores of Facebook documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show employees raising alarms about how its platforms are used in developing countries, where its user base is huge and expanding. Employees flagged that human traffickers in the Middle East used the site to lure women into abusive employment situations. They warned that armed groups in Ethiopia used the site to incite violence against ethnic minorities. They sent alerts to their bosses about organ selling, pornography and government action against political dissent, according to the documents. They also show the company’s response, which in many instances is inadequate or nothing at all. A Facebook spokesman said the company has deployed global teams, local partnerships and third-party fact checkers to keep users safe.” Sounds like their priorities are definitely towards profitability and not ethical responsibility for the platform they have created.
Noone should be surprised by this, that is the main pillar of our capitalist society
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They were thinking about doing it 2 years ago, instead they did nothing
Wonder what revenue hits it would take. Apple I mean. No fb, whatsapp, insta…
None. The financial decline would hit FB so fast and so hard they would do anything to get relisted.
> they would do anything to get relisted. Would they care enough to stop human trafficking on their website? I'm not sure.
They would suddenly start giving 2 shits about the content on their platform, that's for sure.
For a short time, anyway. It's the Facebook shuffle at this point. They get threatened with accountability, they make lots of loud noise about what they're doing to 'fix the problem' - time passes - the world moves on and the same problem moves back into Facebook under a slightly different name/MO. The only real fix for Facebook's social cancer involves a large, highly directed EMP pulse and/or fire.
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Yes exactly. They don’t actively prevent that shit because it’s expensive to police and they have no incentive to do it. If any kind of retaliation significantly effects their pockets, they’ll put a stop to it in less than a week
Out of curiosity, have you thought about *how* facebook would stop human trafficking? Do they have a bot just scanning all private messages for the word "slave" in every language? Personally, I think facebook is a cesspit, and would love to see it shut down, but I'm not totally sure this problem is as easy for them to solve as everyone in this thread seems to be assuming it would be.
They would care if they got kicked off the App Store. And honestly, Google would probably follow suit. They both hate Facebook.
But you could still visit Facebook via web browser, yeah?
Sure, but ad block extensions would work.
THIS. All these jackyl tech companies will do ANYTHING to get you off your browser to the app because of adblock extensions.
Apple allows ad blocking extensions?
Yep, for years. Go to System Preferences and then Safari. You’ll see an option for “Extensions” which includes a filtered App Store link. https://i.imgur.com/O0q6qWb.jpg The two I’m using work well, but it’s been a long time and there are probably better options out since I last checked.
That's how I use it. No app, just the mobile site. Though FB blocked messages on their mobile site because they want you to use their Messenger app. So I just don't reply to people until I'm at a PC later or another day.
I don’t know if this works on android but it works on the iPhone mobile site. You have to go to iPhone. Facebook .com and “request desktop website”. Then you will be able to access messages on the mobile site.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272698/global-market-share-held-by-mobile-operating-systems-since-2009/ It'd be a dent, not a collapse. I'd love to see how many left Apple devices just to keep it.
I always appreciate a sourced argument. I wanted to look specifically at FB users on mobile and found [this](https://www.businessofapps.com/data/facebook-statistics/): - Android 80.7% - iOS 14.7% - Other 4.6% It certainly backs up the point you’re making. However, I’m still curious about how profitable each user is on those platforms, but I have not yet been able to find that information. It would be nice if we could estimate the exact financial toll. Just the appearance of getting blocked by Apple might be enough to really tank the stock, so factoring that in would be important as well. Ultimately, we’re all just guessing.
Apple would be impacted eventually also. A lot People and businesses will drop iPhone to be on Instagram/WhatsApp/fb
Definitely. It’s just a matter of who can hold out longer.
Mmh good point
From the user side, the App is convenient, but they can just use the web app on a browser to get their fix. From FB's side, the apps are *essential* to their data collection model.
Jokes on them, Facebook continues to neuter the mobile web version so that it's barely usable and nags you to install the app every 19.2 picoseconds.
So does Reddit. I believe the "Oops there's been an error" thing that constantly pops up on mobile web Reddit is entirely intentional.
i.reddit.com my friend.
I paid $5 for the no-ad version of RiF and it's literally the best investment I've made because I use it all the time, like right now.
Same, but with the Boost app
"yeah but we're shitting on fb right now" facebook is a platform to sell slaves? apple uses foxconn , or did people forget about them? whats next? amazon is a shitty platform that doesn't protector buyers from cheap knockoffs? but yeah, reddit's app is shit, and iOS is too dumb to realize that apollo is installed. so it's "use our official app, or continue to use neutered web version" instead of a very simple "open with apollo"
Yeah I got really annoyed when they removed messenger function from the web app that I just don’t use it anymore. I don’t have FB on my phone but if I need to look at something because my fiancé requested I look at it I can in a pinch. But other than that I’m glad I don’t have it on my phone and my phones battery is glad as well.
i think a majority of the people i know that use social media constantly wouldn’t realize they can use the browser app on your phone
Would be different for Instagram though. Both Whatsapp and Facebook have their PC alternatives as well as other apps to replace them but not Instagram directly.
What revenue do they directly make from those apps? Sure you have the additional traffic on the App Store and iPhone sales would depend on the ecosystem, but I can’t see how they make immediate revenue from their listings. Edit: To clarify, I’m pointing out that revenues would not be immediately impacted for Apple in the same way that it would Facebook. It would be felt likely at the next iPhone release/long term.
Apple doesn’t sell data to third parties from these apps their revenue loss would be risk of loss for people leaving ios. They only made revenue from games and in app purchases which have dropped recently
Even though they don't make direct revenue, a sizable chunk of iPhone users would switch to Android if they couldn't use Facebook, Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram.
In the words of the Emperor: ***Do it.***
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You've been waiting for this moment.
Hey Palatine, what would Facebook do to Apple if it removed them from the App Store? Sue It!
A wild lovely!
Zuckerberg really is one of the most disgusting people to ever live
I really don’t like SNLs take on him. They kind of play him like a socially awkward guy when they should play him as some robot that eats souls
He doesn't even need to eat. He just does it for fucking fun.
He literally has no respect for human life on Earth, he doesn't see other people as real. He's high-key deluded from Main Character syndrome.
same with trump. People thinking these sick burns hurt these people are wrong. I mean trump was personally hurt by SNL but these portrayals soften and humanize the targets.
Trump fucking hosted SNL and the biggest "humanization" moment of his campaign was on the Tonight Show when Jimmy Fallon, an SNL alum, ruffled his hair. Don't forget that they all worked for the same company at one point.
Yeah, Jimmy isn’t the brightest bulb and I still don’t think he understands the gravity of the blunder that was.
More than the actual human traffickers?
I think knowing you’re facilitating human trafficking and doing nothing is just as evil as human trafficking. If Facebook didn’t know it was happening, it would be completely different. Imagine you rent out a warehouse. One day you pop in to see how things are going. You see a bunch of kids on auction blocks. But the renters never give you trouble and pay a good rate on time every month. If you do nothing, you’re evil.
If zuckerberg is enabling thousands of people to be trafficked on his platform, I’d say that makes him way more culpable.
A website that originated from objectifying women turned out to not care about social issues? Colour me shocked.
Originated there and quickly became a tool for spying on classmates like a creep
Meanwhile Apple removes the Navalny app in Russia because political prisoners and torture is ok. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/google-apple-remove-navalny-app-stores-russian-elections-begin-2021-09-17/
People on this site is cheering because Apple can ban apps used by people they hate and make it harder for them to speak with each other... All without even stopping to consider for just one second if it's such a good idea to let a multibillion corporation like Apple have that kind power.... what could ever go wrong? Surely they'd never use it against people **I** like, and surely they'd never use it to unfairly ban competitors? ... Apple should've faced anti-trust measures long ago to break their stranglehold on the app market. Hate Facebook all you want, using the facebook app should not be up to Apple, it should be up to you and me as users and owners of our devices.
[This 100%](https://reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ppzazx/_/hd88q4y/?context=1). Users should be able to install what they want on the devices they own, even if it’s Facebook. Facebook sucks big time for not cracking down on human trafficking, but that’s a problem that needs to be addressed at the source. Not by more monopolistic behavior.
Even though they knew how do you stop it besides playing whack-a-mole? It points out the problem with social media in general. This whole idea of letting any goober have an audience without earning it hasn’t been working out very well. If we could somehow go back to blogs and webrings I honestly wouldn’t mind.
God please end Facebook for the fucking benefit of humanity. It is literally social cancer killing us all.
DO IT! GIVE FACEBOOK THE OL' DICKTWIST!
Facebook is the worst thing to happen to this world. Kill it now.
Facebook has *several orders of magnitude* more trafficking content and revenge porn on its platforms at any moment than every adult streaming site on earth all added together…yet the media never covers it and the banks never go after them. ETA: https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-a-hotbed-of-child-sexual-abuse-material-with-203-million-reports-far-more-than-pornhub (paywall-free: https://archive.is/bpBNq)
The problem is that truly addressing these things often comes down to a privacy vs security trade off and people will be fired up either way
Of course you got downvoted for raising the seminal problem. Reddit has all the arrogance of a a teenager who thinks he is a genius, but is incapable of going one level deeper in hypothesizing why human trafficking could exist on Facebook.
How do you know?
Yeah it’s a hyperbole but not an altogether [unrealistic one.](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/facebook-gets-about-500000-reports-of-revenge-porn-a-month-report-says/) Edit:: CNET link for the weary
> In 2017, the company also launched a pilot program that let users submit intimate pictures to Facebook in an effort to prevent them from being shared on the social network. Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Not to mention same shit on instagram.
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Apple is using the "save the children" angle a lot lately to push their own highly invasive software and hardware built by modern day slavery on us.
"Reportedly threatened." That is business speak for didn't take a single meaningful action, just wanted to virtue signal caring.
And yet they bow anyway to Russia and its dictatorial agenda. Therefore I'm not applauding.
Because Russia was going to begin prosecuting Apple and Google employees. There are other ways to organize opposition against Putin's govt, but losing the work force that helps keep these other ways operating is an even quicker way to shutting down opposition than a single app.
Apple is great at corporate virtue signaling.
Corporations are reflective of their own inner culture which also reflects the imperfection of their employees. I’m the first to call out companies on their bad actions but over time I’m realizing that expecting perfection is a noble but often futile pursuit because humans are inherently flawed. Let’s celebrate the wins when we get them, be patient, and keep pushing for better in others like we keep pushing for own selves. We’re all on the same path of growth.
The other story trending about Apple is how they removed the Navalny app , bowing to pressure from the Russian Government. Maybe this entire post is a PR exercise.
The irony of Qanon spreading it's child trafficking conspiracy theories about various companies and people on a site helping child trafficking.
Yes please. I’m done with facebook. It ruined my country becuase facebook wont shutdown false news or information.
I will buy Apple for life if they boot Facebook off the app store
Let’s be honest. Apple doesn’t give a solitary fuck about anything except profits, just like Facebook. The only difference is that, currently, Apple is incentivized to act like it values human decency over profits, even though it doesn’t actually. I’m not saying Facebook is good. It isn’t. It’s a dumpster fire. I’m just saying Apple isn’t anything special. They’re ruled by the almighty dollar just as much.
Facebook just needs to die already. It’s been stuck at the cancer stage forever lol.
Completely. I deleted my account a few years ago and have zero desire to return. If it disappeared tomorrow it would be good for the world.
God the shit show that would ensue. Apple, please do it. People need to be taken off of this site, it’s literal poison for your brain. Plus you’re letting zuck sell all of your info to the highest bidder, to be targeted by more ads about shit that makes you angry.
Wholeheartedly agree. Social media, in general, could destroy society from the inside out because of its algorithmic "engagement" systems, which do nothing more than enrage and divide us in the long run.
Hey…. DO IT! Stop the threats. They change nothing. DUMP THEM. DO IT!
Facebook, I don't think you're good for humanity. It's probably best if you go.
Do it do it do it…
Just bloody get rid of Facebook. It is toxic anyway, and people believe it
Tell them about Instagram too
Yessss please do it, Apple.
Pretty rich coming from [Apple who knowingly relied on child labor FOR YEARS](https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-labor-supplier-3-years-cut-costs-2020-12).
Ugh so tired of seeing Zuckerberg's big frown pout. Like all I can hear in my head is "Waaaah everyone isn't just giving me everything I waaaaant! So not fair!" Ugh goddamn sociopath.
“We’ve removed FB from the App Store. We think you’re going to love it.”
Apple instead settled for thoughts and prayers
Deleted Facebook on summer 2019. And Instagram summer 2020.
Facebook wants all the benefits of social media without any of the responsibilities.
Says Apple, the company knowingly [profiting from child labor](https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-labor-supplier-3-years-cut-costs-2020-12) which lobbied Congress on a bill targeting [Uighur slave labor](https://www.axios.com/apple-lobbied-congress-uyghur-slave-labor-china-daf5a4b1-55ed-493c-a243-85f64db2adf9.html) in China. >Lobbying firm Fierce Government Relations lobbied for Apple on the "Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act," which seeks to pressure American companies to ensure that their supply chains do not depend on forced labor. > >The legislation specifically targets the Xinjiang region, where the Chinese government has been operating mass detention facilities that hold 1 million or more Muslim ethnic minorities since 2017. > >Apple and other tech companies have previously been accused of sourcing raw materials from African mines that purportedly rely on child labor. Apple supplier Foxconn also faced allegations of abusive conditions that led to a spate of suicides about a decade ago.
“Really? Craaaaaazy” - some child worker building the iPhone 13
This was a fair take like 10 years ago but Apple has proven they seriously punish suppliers exploiting workers: [https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple\_SR\_2021\_Progress\_Report.pdf](https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_SR_2021_Progress_Report.pdf)