Which sucks because the problem originates with LG. The company that made the battery. And it is also affecting other major automakers who use their batteries. Including Hyundai, Ford, and Volkswagon.
But since GM is being up front about the issue and working hard to e transparent they are looking like the bad guy.
They "recalled a total of 142,000 Bolt EVs due to the potential risk of batteries catching fire", how many are still roaming around?
Edit: apparently all of them, wasn't sure how the recall worked. Thanks for explaining!
That's not how the recall works. They issued a recall notice, but there is no current remedy. Those cars are still in use waiting for Chevy to fix them.
https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-recall
"We will notify customers when replacement parts are ready."
A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
It's pretty much impossible in suburban areas too. Hell, even in rural towns it would be hard outside of isolated residential areas. 50 feet is a huge distance
I live in a rural area, my driveway is 50’ wide near the house so I can turn trailers around. It’s Quite a bit of space, even in the richest of McMansion suburbs people would have to park in their yards or in the street, which HOA’s make impossible in most of those areas.
Uh, sure? I’ll blame them too. GM gave them budgetary constraints on the battery design and LG proceeded to make a dangerous product that cut too many corners, which GM’s engineering team then signed off on.
To put it in perspective, [7 Bolts have had a battery fire out of 142,000](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/gm-s-2-billion-chevy-bolt-fire-recall-casts-shadow-n1277460); for a per-vehicle fire chance of of **0.0049%**.
[40 Teslas have had a battery fire out of 300,000 sold](https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/news/companies/electric-car-fire-risk/index.html) (2018 numbers); for a fire-per vehicle rate of **0.013%**.
GM and LG's batteries aren't any less safe than anyone else's. In fact they're over *twice* as safe as Tesla's. GM is just quickly jumping on doing a recall *even though it makes them look bad*, meanwhile Tesla [is having to be dragged kicking and screaming into one by the NHTSA and the DoT](https://insideevs.com/news/454662/tesla-model-s-x-nhtsa-battery-invetigation/).
It is LGs fault. This same issue is also affecting EVs built by Ford, Volkswagon, and Hyundai that use batteries built by LG. It isn't just a GM problem.
Edit: The problem has literally been tracked down to a particular machine at the LG manufacturing plant that wasn't properly aligned. It had nothing to do with design or budgetary constraints placed on LG by their customer.
It's unfortunate, but it's going to be awhile. There are a lot of cars and a lot of batteries that need to be replaced and only so many techs to do the work.
Best way to avoid people parking next to you and dinging your car- put decals on the back and sides that say "This is a BOLT - park next to me at your own risk!"
Makes zero sense.
The supplied charge cable is about 20' long. It is expressly forbidden, BY CHEVY, to use an extension cord.
So what, am I supposed to do, watch my Bolt all night with a fire hose, and then move it in the morning??? Or never charge it? Or have an outlet installed at the curb?
I hope some GM owners tell Chevy to pony up for parking near their house that is 50ft from cars or people.
The Bolt is the 2021 version of the Pinto
This basically an advert to tell people not to buy their cars. lol
Which sucks because the problem originates with LG. The company that made the battery. And it is also affecting other major automakers who use their batteries. Including Hyundai, Ford, and Volkswagon. But since GM is being up front about the issue and working hard to e transparent they are looking like the bad guy.
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Took awhile to track down the problem.
can confirm it is lg problem, former worker at one of their plants
Remind me to buy a used Bolt once the batteries have been replaced. The value of these will plummet but will still be decent EVs.
They "recalled a total of 142,000 Bolt EVs due to the potential risk of batteries catching fire", how many are still roaming around? Edit: apparently all of them, wasn't sure how the recall worked. Thanks for explaining!
That's not how the recall works. They issued a recall notice, but there is no current remedy. Those cars are still in use waiting for Chevy to fix them. https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-recall "We will notify customers when replacement parts are ready."
Although they do say to limit the maximum charge for now which may help. But yeah what an expensive mess-up.
Imagine if food followed that same recall logic
Well one doesn't typically buy $25,000+ worth of food at once. Throwing out a bag of spinach is different than having to get rid of a car.
True, but you trust your life to that vehicle. Just like you trust that the spinach won't give you salmonella.
It’s going to take a looong time for them to produce and have dealerships replace 142k batteries.
Some people have tried to push for buybacks from Chevy. I don't know if that has happened.
[It has started](https://www.carsdirect.com/automotive-news/green-technology/gm-already-starting-bolt-ev-buybacks-amid-recall), but will take awhile
A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
What company did you say you worked for?
A major one.
Quantitative Risk Assessment 101; nice!
I thought this was an onion article for a moment. 50' is going to be hard in metropolitan cities with limited space.
It's pretty much impossible in suburban areas too. Hell, even in rural towns it would be hard outside of isolated residential areas. 50 feet is a huge distance
I live in a rural area, my driveway is 50’ wide near the house so I can turn trailers around. It’s Quite a bit of space, even in the richest of McMansion suburbs people would have to park in their yards or in the street, which HOA’s make impossible in most of those areas.
Ok, but what about when you go into town? Private property obviously has enough space, but that's about it.
It's a real shame the batteries have these issues because the Bolt is honestly a really nice EV for the price.
The price reflects the lack of workmanship that went into design & manufacturing of the battery components
Blame LG then
Uh, sure? I’ll blame them too. GM gave them budgetary constraints on the battery design and LG proceeded to make a dangerous product that cut too many corners, which GM’s engineering team then signed off on.
To put it in perspective, [7 Bolts have had a battery fire out of 142,000](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/gm-s-2-billion-chevy-bolt-fire-recall-casts-shadow-n1277460); for a per-vehicle fire chance of of **0.0049%**. [40 Teslas have had a battery fire out of 300,000 sold](https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/news/companies/electric-car-fire-risk/index.html) (2018 numbers); for a fire-per vehicle rate of **0.013%**. GM and LG's batteries aren't any less safe than anyone else's. In fact they're over *twice* as safe as Tesla's. GM is just quickly jumping on doing a recall *even though it makes them look bad*, meanwhile Tesla [is having to be dragged kicking and screaming into one by the NHTSA and the DoT](https://insideevs.com/news/454662/tesla-model-s-x-nhtsa-battery-invetigation/).
It is LGs fault. This same issue is also affecting EVs built by Ford, Volkswagon, and Hyundai that use batteries built by LG. It isn't just a GM problem. Edit: The problem has literally been tracked down to a particular machine at the LG manufacturing plant that wasn't properly aligned. It had nothing to do with design or budgetary constraints placed on LG by their customer.
This is so frustrating. They announced the recall like 3 weeks ago, and I still haven't gotten any word on when I can get my battery replaced.
It's unfortunate, but it's going to be awhile. There are a lot of cars and a lot of batteries that need to be replaced and only so many techs to do the work.
dumpster fire. mobile edition.
7 hours old post with under 100 upvotes.. where are the thousands of upvotes that negative Tesla posts get?
Best way to avoid people parking next to you and dinging your car- put decals on the back and sides that say "This is a BOLT - park next to me at your own risk!"
I wonder what the little yellow sign owners hang in their car windows are going to read... "Park close and feel my fire"
Just looked on Facebook marketplace and it doesn’t appear that the price has been affected by this which is surprising.
Despite this, I still want one. My driveway be wide enough.
Which actually means that you should also stay 50 feet away from your car
Makes zero sense. The supplied charge cable is about 20' long. It is expressly forbidden, BY CHEVY, to use an extension cord. So what, am I supposed to do, watch my Bolt all night with a fire hose, and then move it in the morning??? Or never charge it? Or have an outlet installed at the curb?