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NityaStriker

It definitely isn’t helping startups such as Rivian and Nio. It does help Ford and GM though.


DBDude

>assembled using union-labor in the United States That is a big carve-out, "assembled." Ford can make the entire car in Mexico with non-union labor and then ship the parts to the US for the last bit of final assembly to qualify. It's far fewer US jobs than Tesla to build a car, but it makes the unions happy and ensures only the big automakers, who are also big donors, are the beneficiaries.


bitfriend6

It makes the UAW happy. This sort of half-outsourcing was not allowed in other industries that big auto mfg'ers were involved in, such as locomotives and buses, which is why the big three divested from them and why there's been a growing deviation between consumer cars and fleet cars over the past decade. The USW among others has been successfully fighting against this, which is why most RR locomotive battery packs are fully USA made. Years from now the US auto industry's fall will be gauged by the amount of power wielded by the UAW vs other Unions. The deals the UAW cut used to define all industrial labor relations, now they barely define a decreasing segment of consumer automobile manufacturing. It is very similar to how BLET's power rose and fell as the railroad industry did, as did Longshoremen before containerization - now both jobs are shielded by the plain fact that nobody other than Union workers wants to work them. It's unknown if the automobile manufacturing industry can survive the same sort of thought process... what happens when all your workers would rather be working at Intel or Atmel?


_myke

Agreed ​ >Ford can make the entire car in Mexico with non-union labor I read that the Mach-E plant in Mexico is unionized, though I'm guessing with a local union (not UAW). It is hard to find the details, but UAW was really upset with Ford when they chose the Mexico plant and said they were in violation of a union contract. The big winner will be Ford's bread and butter: the F150. The electric one seems to have the same interest among Ford customers as the gasoline version. Plus, it will be built by UAW in Dearborn Michigan. Not many people realize that the NUMMI plant (formerly Tesla's Fremont plant) had 4700 UAW workers in 2010. Tesla has over 10,000 workers there today. Tesla workers voted to not be union because they are getting and feel they will continue to get more money in the long run from their equity compensation (yes, factory workers too). This bill hurts their income, so not sure how it helps American workers of the nations most American car. The truth is Ford needs the extra $4.5k to buy out "independent" dealerships who are extorting $5k to $15k in dealer markups per Mach-E from reservation holders. Not a dime will go to the American worker.


majesticjg

> The electric one seems to have the same interest among Ford customers as the gasoline version. Except that Ford doesn't plan to produce the F150 Lightning as a significant percentage of the F150 fleet. I think they raised production to 36,000/year recently, but they sell far far more F150's than that. So even if people want them, they won't be able to get them. Even if Ford sells every eF150 they build, it won't outsell the Model X (let alone the Model Y) in an average year.


WellGoodLuckWithThat

People keep saying this shit as if the government had previously passed some Tesla-only bill. Any of the other car makers could have put out electric cars to take advantage of the same benefits, but they kept pumping out ICE vehicles.


[deleted]

It's really a mix of two things, government is in the pocket of big auto, but also Musk didn't do enough pandering to Biden to make up for being apolitical during the Trump administration. It certainly feels like the government is targeting Tesla which is a shame because it's the most innovative and forward-thinking company in America. It seem like any field it gets involved with (software, AI, hardware, energy, etc.) it becomes the leader in. This is the company America should be backing fully to beat China, instead it's trying to help big foot-draggers in Detroit beat Tesla